 house at the corner and today we have a Vermont visionary with us today running for governor Emily Payton from Putney and her collaborator in this effort campaign collaborator who's John Root from Peterson, Massachusetts and they are touring the state so that Emily's message can't get out and we decided to do this program because there aren't very many Vermont visionaries out there running and I wanted to hear a vision for Vermont's future that was productive and on human scale and all these wonderful things that are outside the paradigm and Emily for many many years has been definitely outside the paradigm and many of her ideas are a positive vision for the state of Vermont so I will turn the program over to Emily and John and we'll see what happens but you know what's very funny is even though I've been outside the paradigm and incidentally you've been there with me and lately I've been getting feedback that the the blessed unrest as we call it the the general unrest with the systems that we're working under is becoming so great that the desire for an alternative paradigm is moving much closer so the work that we've done in the past to introduce public banking of course resulted in a tiny step also there was a lot of work at the State House to get some money into Vita we have more work to do to reform our monetary system so we have much an easier to those who needed the most in the hemp of course we've made big strides with that there's a lot more work to do of course particularly in the judicial system and I think there's a desire amongst the people now an earnest desire to move our entire entire penal system towards a restorative methodology and of course to stop sending people to Kentucky and stop the criminalization of nonviolent offenses for starters yeah well there are lots of issues there are really a host of issues that the two major parties or the the Tweedledee and Tweedledum parties never really changed they never really talk about how we could create a genuinely nurturing economy and the ways in which one can do that have both to do with money the fact that the money is scarce it's always hard to come by that's a major problem and there are many things that we can do about that and the other thing is the attitude that the government the state could take towards in local initiatives if the government were focused on local initiatives on people getting together in the neighborhoods where they live and talking about the things that they would like to see happen with the possibility of funding it major changes would come about well exactly a lot like what's happening in Bethel with the revitalization projects for example their their pop-up university that gives us an idea of how we can now augment our educative system and perhaps put in a standard of accreditation for people who are getting their their education in alternative ways John has been a mentor for me as you have around monetary systems and as we see cannabis becoming legal and we're beginning to grapple with that what we can do because we still have problems with the commercial banking empire not wanting to go there we can envision a can of currency if you will but what I what I hear and what I see that we need is a statewide system of making a standard so that small growers can bring their excess in have it tested and standardized and possibly bought by a collective to for resell like they do in Canada with the hemp yeah tell me and you you can instruct me about how they do in Canada oh well they just have three grades of hemp for different purposes I remember I did that and because you yes because we've been learning about it but it's fun that all I know is that the different grades have to do with the strength you know one grade is looking for strength and another grade is looking for something else and another grade might be medicinal I don't really remember what the three grades are about but they are a very strict standard yeah and I remember I called somebody who was involved in that process at the time well Canada actually in Vermont we have probably the most liberal hemp laws in this hemisphere in that Vermont wants to treat it like corn and wheat and they also want to get off the hook for any federal you know oppression of the crop and we're still waiting for the farm bill to be passed that has a measure in there that would totally differentiate the hemp from the marijuana which would be good but in Canada most of the hemp that's grown right now is for seed for the food food grade and we're beginning to see only beginning to see some of the fiber and people are wanting to put to use the what we're using in building materials you know that yeah myself and my partner have a small business in building material so and also in Vermont we're seeing that a lot of people want to know what to do with their stocks and they're coming to us and so what we can do because the processing is extremely expensive to get at this secondary material or even the fiber or to utilize the plant like we could is when we begin to tax and regulate the marijuana that someone that revenue go to either a state owned or cooperative processing plant on the west side of the state which will be there ready for when New York which has the acreage that we need to to serve a plant to will be there to serve that and it will provide the raw materials for the numbers of jobs numbers of you know hard plastics I hope the the listeners have educated and informed themselves about the bounty of renewable items and clean and green items that the agricultural hemp sometimes it can have can offer us you know one of the interesting things about hemp that's important to know is that it's nitrogen fixing so it helps the soil it sequesters carbon it doesn't require pesticides or herbicides because it grows pretty densely it grows quickly the number of uses that we could use hemp for is just amazing if you I remember the list went on for pages so Vermont used to have a really big paper industry and hemp paper is really good you can make all kinds of different paper out of hemp fibers and without spending too much time on hemp which we can but you know there are some myths out there about the hemp it's it does need a lot of fertilizer it's somewhat like corn so there are some myths out there and it can have some diseases and of course you may be growing it for the CBDs which is where the Vermont is going because we have better soil so when you're extracting CBDs and then you're reducing it what are CBDs the cannabidiols the oil yeah because the the THC remember is tetrahydro cannabidiol and cannabidiol is is the CBDs and what the CBDs are and there's a range of CBDA there's all these different sort of terpenins there's these different sub parts of this the the chemical makeup of a plant that can be changed and THC of course is the stuff that gets you high and it also is helps with pain and then there's the CBD which is present also in a high THC environment but it's it's present in the hemp that is is really the workhorse of the healing that you know reduces not only anxiety but inflammation it can reduce cancerous growth it can it it it helps the nerve endings communicate so the endocannabinoid system is the system of the nerves communicating and we all have natural cannabinoids but these are phytosynthesized they're synthesized by plants so like you know I've made a drink of out of fresh hemp leaves actually juicing your own hemp or marijuana leaves which won't get you high is excellent you know like we do wheatgrass it's just excellent for your health and for your your nervous system to to reduce your any Alzheimer's or stuff so it's very the hemp industry and the cannabis industry can enormously support not only our health the the the housing can help us meet our carbon sequestering goals because it's it actually locks up carbon you know actually is a healthier environment because the the toxins in the wall systems the formaldehyde the VOC's that's what's contributing to the asthma so our housing stock is really in poor shape because most houses only stand for you know 75 100 years of course hemcrete is going to stand for hundreds of years so as we need to repair our housing stock and we look to hemcrete to do so we'll be also repairing our children's breathing health too so it's a it's a vision that's enormously helpful enormously productive and exciting that I share when I talk about moving forward and with full support for the hemp and cannabis industry if you were governor when you're governor what can the government of vermont do to promote the hemp industry well it can do numbers of things we've talked about a state bank and how important it is to protect vermont's money in a state bank because right now it's unprotected in td bank north it's an unsecure creditor over there and I cannot get beth pierce to see how risky it is because we're due for another crash and it's in td bank north which for two reasons are super problematic for vermont number one td bank north is the major investor in the tar sands which is the most environmentally destructive process to remove bit smooth or oil and it's it's really destroying indigenous lands up there and td bank is the major investor and we are keeping all our state money it's something like what is it we were running to have what is it 300 some million up there oh I don't remember I was I certainly knew at one point right and and and it's the pass through money it's exactly it's like they she's that's the cheapest place that she can find for for us to do our checking as it were and uh so for that point it shouldn't be there and also because of in the pat in the last banking uh failure when they were doing the experiments on greece of bailing in remember they went into people's bank accounts who had a certain to to to uh that was the banks yeah recap we are totally unsecured in in um td bank right now so the derivative exposure is what gary murphy and I right were collaborating on when he died right from the fall so she was she was uh you know she made the argument that we would lose our triple a rating and that that was a false argument also that was given to her by the banking lobbyist so as governor what I certainly would do is do a lot more public education so people feel comfortable about having our having a bank banking license probably at veda so that we can make our money work more for us we can make the loans through the banks we'd be banking backing the local loans to to do this certainly uh advocating for the can of currency so we also and uh so I would be able to uh expressly inject more means of exchanges and certainly do a lot of education and a lot of promotion because what I stand for and I think a lot of people agree with me is that we aren't a great country if we leave our people homeless there's absolutely no reason why we can't have tiny house communities or or or or buying some of the old houses to there's no reason to have people without a safe place to put their heads even if we just stop sending people to Kentucky which is also another abuse of government mean prisoners yeah I don't like to call them prisoners I call them people oh they're just people okay one thing that I just for rounding out the concept of why we need a large bank to put for my money is that the balance sheet has to equal out you can't have too many deposits that's what happened with cyprus they had too many deposits and couldn't support the interest payments on the deposits because they didn't have enough loans so vermont has to have a bank that can make that balance work if there are too many vermont deposits in northfield savings bank then the northfield savings bank can't make the interest payments on those deposits which of course you do have to have a large bank that has a lot of loans out there collecting the interest on those loans so that the vermont so the income from the account is worth something so I think beth pierce is trying to put money in in local vermont banks but she can only do so much because of the balance of loans versus and also her well I don't want to I don't want to speak to beth pierce because I want to move on to some of the things we were just talking with jeff fennel about about the fennel sorry and who is working with the national education association and what they're proposing for vermont which I get behind is to eliminate property tax altogether and uh tag it into the income tax which as as a matter of course without getting too much into the weeds people could we can talk in smaller things because people's eyes glaze over how we can increase circulation of methods of exchange to move towards a reduction of taxation because regardless of whether you're a democrat or a public the democrats of course will tax higher and the republicans will get further into debt that the economic oppression of taxation and debt based monetary system are are something we need to grapple with at this time and we need to do so not in a not in a revolutionary quick way we need to do it deliberately with understanding so that people don't feel like they're being you know shifted around or whatever california seems to have taken the lead in that yeah by the way los angeles in particular is working on public money there's one we're getting close yeah there's one town that's experimenting with the universal basic income of course they're only doing a very uh sample portion and i think they're only doing 500 but there's places around the globe that now are understanding that participation in the economy with dignity is an element of equality and it will support our move towards sustainability enormously and and towards of course happiness is a measure of success in society yeah yeah so we're having fun on this this the whole uh the whole issue of scarce money is one of the things that uh a governor can do a lot about uh the legislature would have to approve of a state bank but if the governor is behind it and advocating for it and dealing with all of the objections that the banking lobby brings up then it's quite possible to say very directly there is no reason for our money to be issued by for-profit banks for-profit and if the state of vermont were issuing the money even if it's still as loans but with more or less aiming to recoup the cost of administering the whole thing he could have quarter percent interest rates you could have um uh you might you might have really high interest rates for things that are uh much more profitable and that would that would enable us to just reduce the tax burden and reduce the tax burden so if you go back to colonial times there were no taxes except on whiskey yeah no taxes yeah it was all funded by the loans that the legislature made to the businesses so during colonial times the business would both get a charter so that they had limited liability and they would get the money that they needed to establish the mill what have you uh what what i have when i what one asset i have as governors i have colleagues who are immensely knowledgeable and uh ellen brown as well who is leading the public banking movement but i also want to bring in some other elements because although we do know that the core issue of the the oppression of our times is that all money is coming from the commercial banking empire those aren't the only issues that i want to talk about today go for it i want and you and i can yeah we can talk about monetary policy yeah and i'll say what he said what he said so um i also want to talk about the need for a uh truth and reconciliation and restitution movements uh for first nation peoples people of color and also women and and also people who have experienced uh crimes against them done by a violent government so i want to one of the things that i'm most eager to do in a position of governor is to initiate a series of you know they would be in hotel meeting rooms where we come together somewhat like what happened in south africa where truth and reconciliation movement we need that here we need that for our healing and we need that we need that to move forward from the harms that have been done historically and as we see the harms that are coming to the surface that have been done against women so that we can move forward with a respect for one another and and an understanding that each one of us are directly connected to what i call source intelligence many other people will call god and so forth but that uh i use the term source intelligence so if you're hearing me talk about that i'm talking about what other people term is as god or they the uh the invisible ethers where where uh the possibilities are are occur from right so as governor you could initiate uh political therapy sessions essentially yeah we're you know we i've run three times and you've run before so you know how frustrating it is to have um a beneficial vision for vermont and be completely barred from competing fairly in debates uh so that even when you're running for a party that's established exactly the liberty union well yeah and that also happened when i you know there's a co-opt co-opting going on of our democracy by the the uh the leaderships in the party in the the debate host the powers that be yeah and the vermont digger next week is having one in uh ruttland where they certainly have not invited me to participate and people want the participation yeah be careful of your idea of who the good guy is out there because there is a massive attempt from the power structure down to keep third party candidates right uh away right from the process and it's it's getting worse right right and and and people the the average person does does not know how much work alternative leaders like me have done behind the scenes you know with lawsuits with uh you know requests for new rules and you know a lot of time uh and it doesn't really uh appear very uh gubernatorial to be arrested and hauled off the stage you know so i'm not going for that or to do something super flaky but to your point about the political therapy group it has been brutal in the past running the the the the shaming that the press has attempted to do which i have i'm not feeling so shamed anymore but we're having fun with it i mean it's important to have fun while doing this so we have good memories so john and i are going around the state and if you see a little mini school bus if it runs for us and doesn't break down but it seems to be choosing where to stop and break down then start up and go fine it's a little rainbow colored school bus and inside are two seats two benches that we can sit in and we have a little sandwich board that we put out kind of like lucy in the peanuts in the peanuts strip that says uh um the the candidate is in and it says come on board for a political therapy group so we're having fun um within this serious work right so the the thing about political therapy is that whenever you go into therapy the issue is can we get to the root cause can we get to the underlying cause of whatever the problem is and it's usually something that happened in your childhood when you're in therapy so what is the underlying problem in our politics why do things keep getting worse and worse and we get to choose between tweedle d and tweedle dumb when there's no real difference why is that where is the actual problem so that's what political therapy would be and that's what i believe emily would be able to do as governor well really begin to address the issue of what is really underlyingly wrong in the way that politics is conducted well may i may i sort of amend that idea okay because two minutes okay so we know people know in their guts what's wrong they know something's wrong and yes you know being able to see the systems that are wrong as a as a matter of comparison but also sometimes you can heal without um analyzing what is wrong by having an attention in your heart of what we call knowing what is in our hearts is possible and that's part of the reaching out to the people in the different communities to expand their thinking on what is possible to give them the go ahead and the encouragement like bethle the town of bethle to move forward and that's really what my intention is as a leader to to do and to encourage a balance of feminine concepts that are now missing in our in our foundation well we have to wind this up and i do want to remind people that my two previous interviews with ian baldwin will be posted on youtube probably in a couple of hours and you they're also posted on the orca site so uh geoengineering with the history of geoengineering and the present state state of geoengineering is uh two half hour programs going up on this good on this channel and on my channel house at poo corner with jim hoag and uh so may i practice check that out that i you have excellent interviews and people should know that you're one of the leading interviewers of whistleblowers and it's so important that we support those people who will tell us what is going wrong in government and i try not to bother with people who are in the paradigm because they're already out there so so my my appeal to to you viewers is come over to our paradigm and i i thank you for your support and your vote and thanks for listening bye bye