 Okay, so we're at the hour so good morning. Good evening everyone around the world that are that you're if you're joining us today. Thank you. This is the ICSD speaker series actually take three because we've had already two. So this is the third one. Today we have two really, really interesting speakers are joining us. We have Neha Sharma and Daniel Abdul Rahman, both from the Southeast Asia region. I don't know if I can correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how identifying it. And so we will begin this morning with Neha Sharma and and the process will be each speaker will speak for about 30 minutes. And we will then take at least one question that you can add to the Q&A. At the end, when both speakers have spoken, then we will open it up for questions for both. Okay. And this is your session to really learn about what it is that they do how they've gotten there. Their thoughts on, you know, the integration of SDGs into the work, if any, etc. So, let me begin by really, really welcoming Neha Sharma. She is the co-founder of him health care. It's a medical health care enterprise based in the lower Himalayan regions of India. She is a clinical yoga and Ayurvedic nutrition expert. Her mission is to promote holistic health and sustain well being by integrating modern medicine practices with yoga and traditional medicinal therapies. Along with this, she has over 10 years of experience in the education technology sector. She specializes in instructional design and learning design pedagogy in online learning environments, especially in context of developing countries. She works with multilateral organizations on integrating knowledge on sustainable development issues across their training and education programs targeted as sustained learning outcomes. She has also been associated with the UN as they sent for the development of technology based learning solutions on mainstreaming cross cutting issues to include education for all gender parity, human rights based approach, sustainable market culture and environmental social safeguards. Neha is a biotechnologist by training and hosted post graduate degree from the Indian Institute of Technology. Welcome Neha and thank you for being with us. Over to you. Thank you so much, Lucia. Every time I hear my own introduction, it just feels very strange. I'm not sure if it's the same with everybody, but it feels like you're listening about somebody else. Welcome everyone and since I'm the first speaker as I was told, or it was like a nice surprise for me. I thought Daniel was going in first. So I think it's my responsibility and duty to welcome all of you for people who are from the eastern hemisphere. Good morning or good day and from the other side. Thank you so much for staying up late if it's late evening for you. Now, I have half an hour to talk about what I do and, you know, then there are questions which you can have for me. But I was thinking that before we jump into the presentation, there are three small questions which I have for you. And if you would be so kind to just answer them just so that I get to know you a little bit better. And once we do that, then we will jump straight into the presentation. So I'm going to share my screen. And what I would request you to do is to scan this code using your smartphones. Or if you're already logged in using your smartphone, can you please go to slido.com and enter this code. And as soon as you do that, you will come across three very simple questions. I don't want you to overthink it. I just want you to go with your gut and say the first thing which comes to your mind. So scan this code. If it's fine, I would like to move to the next slide. And if I can see you vote on this. Okay. Thank you. All right. The code is right here and the QR code is also right here. Interesting. I see nobody wants to mind read and nobody already has a superpower. All right, next question. What is your ideal vacation? Back with adventure, lying on a beach doing nothing, maybe sipping a margarita, sleeping for three days straight and Netflixing probably, or going off grid completely, unless you are one of those chosen few who don't need a vacation and life is a big holiday. All right. And if we can move to the last question. Oh, 14% people say that their life is a holiday now. I'm jealous of you all. Now to the last question, please. All right. 43% of people say that they are stressed in the range of four to seven. So here's the thing, the reason these questions seemed very casual, they seemed very ice breaker type but they were actually not and as you can understand that each of the questions had a very important health related aspect to it right in the very first question. A lot of you have asked majority said that they wanted to be healthy and fit forever and the second highest points were for to be able to eat without getting fat because that is one concern which all of us had. You wanted to take a vacation where you did nothing just lay on the beach where you could just get a break from your current everyday life. And right now this is the most pertinent of them all because we all of us here predominantly are between the age range of 20 to 40 I would like to tell us minus a few years, and we all feel that we are not, we are somewhere in the middle when it comes to our stress levels so we are, we are either at seven or at four of the stress index. And this, as you can understand is not an ideal situation for for any of us. Health related facts seem a little scary at first when you start talking to people but I think that, and I've also learned the hard way that that is the only way to sometimes wake people up and shake them up because most of us being a part of the work culture we are. We understand the tenets of sustainable health we understand what it means to have lifelong wellness, but when it comes to our own individual personal health work always takes priority. We wake up at odd hours we stay up late just because there are deadlines to meet, and it's not a one off scenario. It often happens and repeatedly happens. Watching Netflix till 2am or 3am is not something which is completely unusual. Waking up at five and going to bed at 10 is something which is not a possibility for us and as a reason and I know that these are the tenets which should be practiced but our lives right now do not permit us to follow them. Now, add to that some very glaring facts now have some numbers from WHO data here which say that if you're living in an urban populate urban polluted city, like New Delhi, New York, Melbourne, you are likely to lose two to six years of your life. Add to that a sedentary lifestyle, a lifestyle where you sit behind your desktop and work for most part of the day, maybe eight to ten hours where you are sitting and you are likely to lose eight years of your life. And then if you follow something which is known as a Western diet. Now, don't take it on the terminology Western diet doesn't necessarily mean a diet which is followed in the West Western diet is a term which is used for diet which is very low in fiber and heavy in red meat and carbohydrates. So if you follow that diet then you lose up to about 11 years of your life. And in total, so six to seven, eight and 11 pollution sedentary lifestyle and a Western diet can likely make us lose around 20 to 30 years of our lives. Immortality is not something which most of us want, but we would still want to live a life which is full of health and well being for as long as we are here on this planet. Unfortunately, because of the world we are living in the environment we are living in and our current lifestyles, it's becoming more and more difficult with every day. Now you all know that goal three focuses on good health and well being and this is this is not just about for a particular age group but this is across age groups across their lifespans. Important thing to note here is that health and well being is not just a temporary thing, it's something it is a continuum, it is a spectrum where you are mentally and physically fit throughout your entire course of life while living it. So understandably that you can't spend your entire, you know, 10 hours in a day focusing on your health but that should be a priority and a top one at that matter while you tackle the rest of the facets of your life which are your work, your relationships, your enjoyment, everything. But your health should always be at the back of your mind and at the center of your life existence. Things have become challenging right now more so because we're all recovering from the aftershocks of COVID-19 right. So, again, I don't have to quote numbers here but we know that during the time of COVID, a lot of our health goals were pushed by three to five years, you know, vaccination, mortality, maternal health, a lot of them were pushed by five years. One thing which also to precedent was this one small thing which said that there was a prevalence of anxiety and depression in the population at large, which was exacerbated by the pandemic. And all of us at some time, most of us at least I would like to say had experienced bits and pieces of it when we were cooped up in our houses. There was stress of the looming disease, there was stress of, you know, making ends meet, there were people who had relatives who were unwell or friends or family who were unwell. There were people who were facing challenges with their employment, the stress level and the anxiety levels of people and adds to that that you can't meet, you can't socialize, you can't be in a community where you can share thoughts. There was a spike in mental health related issues. And now when I'm talking about it in the very first when we were talking like I spoke about how pollution, sedentary lifestyle and a diet was the problem. Now, in COVID-19, these three issues also became very prevalent. We were all sitting on our computers and working managing maintaining a sedentary lifestyle. We were eating whatever we could because not everybody was motivated enough or had the privilege to eat organic clean green food every time. So it was a double family. So originally you were in a bad state anyway because of living in a big city, all of us and add to that COVID. And now here we are. This is what we call non-communicable diseases, anxiety, depression, lack of physical activity. This leads to a set of diseases known as lifestyle diseases, which is a subset of non-communicable diseases. Why are they called lifestyle diseases? Because simply they occur due to poor health choices which we make every day. And this can be poor nutrition, this can be severe stress, this can be physical inactivity, biological clock. I keep repeating the same thing that some of these things are, we don't choose this set deliberately. We don't choose to screw up our lifestyle deliberately. Sometimes we have to. And when we do that, when we make that choice that right now our work will take precedence or this, you know, this hustle side of my life will take precedence. The first thing which we choose to ignore is health. And under the ambit of health comes these things where we start making, we start opening packets of packaged foods. We don't take even five minutes in our day to unwind and relax or to just be with ourselves. We don't be out in nature. We work till 11 or 12 in the night and then because we have to unwind, we watch television for another three hours. Your body does not understand this. There is something known as the bad end rhythms and I think people here would know about this, how your body is attuned to the movement of the sun. So while socially we understand where this is coming from, genetically the way your body has been coded, this does not make sense. And what happens is that next day you wake up groggy and then you start all these health issues start accumulating. Health issues which are very, very predominantly lifestyle based as you can see our obesity, backache, hypertension, impaired glucose tolerance, fatty liver and depression or mental health. And we see them rising every day in front of our eyes in this very own core in this in the same age group, our friends, our families, us as well. People are getting so that there are several, several issues of so even if we remove mental health illnesses out of the gambit because that's a completely different set of challenges, backache, hypertension, diabetes type two. Now these are becoming common issues, and if not treated then they can lead to very severe ailments like Alzheimer's, stroke heart diseases, chronic liver diseases. And right now it might just seem something which I'm talking about, you know, just because I have to make this presentation, what we don't realize is that these diseases are responsible for 70% deaths every year. Now 70% is a huge number. On one hand our systems are trying to combat communicable diseases, trying to maintain health and provide healthcare to people vertically and horizontally, but then 70% diseases are being, 70% deaths are being caused due to non communicable diseases which can be managed if a person's lifestyle was managed well. And it would be interesting if you see the small block on the left side which says that these diseases are also dubbed as Western diseases or diseases of affluence. Why? Because the concept predominantly started with people who had more and who could do things like not going out to work, stay indoors and work instead of having to cook, opening a packet and eating. And then of course living in big cities. But now the irony of the situation is that what started as a Western disease and I might quote, is 85% of these deaths which are caused due to lifestyle based diseases are now coming from low and middle income countries. So now there is a massive shift, what started by people who had more has now translated or moved over to the people who don't have a choice. And now it's the privileged Lord which can afford to eat clean, which can afford to have a physical instructor, nutritionist, everything. But people who are still struggling cannot afford to make those choices. So it's a very, very strange shift of dynamics which has happened in the past few years. And now let's talk about why this should concern you because right now this age group of 20 to 30 or 20 to 40 seems healthy enough, your body can take the shocks. So there are people who might be able to finish one or two pizzas in a single setting and there are people who might be seeing tiny changes in their bodies, joint pains here and their back pains rising up gradually. But with the help of medicine and support you're still powering through, you're still moving ahead. Then why it should be a concern? Simple reason, the seeds which you're sowing now will bear fruits in the next 10 years. Right now your body is in a shape and state where it can take all these shocks, but everything will start becoming evident and visible as your body starts aging. It's a strange kind of a gender equalizer as I call it because we keep talking about parity in every conversation we have. But when it comes to lifestyle-based diseases, women suffer a big brunt, like they suffer the brunt of most challenges we face. Women are the primary caregivers and have less access to healthcare or to proper nutrition or to proper counseling and guidance when it comes to mental health as both to men. The reason and because of that, 7% of all women have high blood pressure. There is a massive spike in the cases of stroke and 28% of all young women suffer from obesity and type 2 diabetes and they live with it. That's the biggest catch. Suffering and managing and then getting a solution does not ever happen. They just live with it. Hormonal imbalances is a very, very common, commonly, you know, it's something which is very common across women of all ages. People choose to live with PCOS, doctors keep prescribing medicines, women keep pumping hormones in their bodies and just again, living through them, powering through them. It deteriorates the system and let's just talk about what's wrong with this current system of existence. The problem is that whenever we are talking about conventional medicine, which is an excellent feat of science, allopathy, life saver. However, this life saver defaults false filters on one particular step, which is it treats the symptoms and not the individual. You go to a doctor for a skin rash and they will give you a medicine for the rash. They will not understand or bother unless they are extremely good practitioners that this rash flares up every time in your body when you're stressed or when the season changes or whenever XYZ thing happens. Because your skin is not stupid, it's not silly, it understands. A rash is not erupting on your skin out of the blue. Allopathy right now is very symptomatic when it comes to treatment protocols. It does not really take disease causality into account. It does not understand the root cause. It does not focus on the root cause. So if your symptom is treated, you can go home and rest up. If it reoccurs, you can come back and then the same treatment would be given to you or a little more aggressive and then you go back again. However, at the very onset of a particular symptom, finding going to the root of it is not something which is coded in allopathic medicine. No active participation of patient in self-care is also very important because when you go to a doctor, they will prescribe you a medicine and you will not have multiple options but to take that medicine. Some care to explain what the problem is and why you are taking this medicine and some don't. But taking that drug is imperative. Your care is very, very in a very limited manner. It's in your hands. So is there something which you can do from your end to eliminate is it completely is something which does not happen very frequently. Now allopathy also while it saves lives and I keep saying that because I'm a big proponent of that while it saves lives. It does not take into account the individual physiology, culture and the environment of a person. A person sitting in Toronto will also take Paracetamol and so will a person sitting in a remote village with you know in India when they have fever. They don't understand what's the difference between these two individuals. Why are they suffering from this fever? What is happening? What is their environment? What is their food practices? It's this one shoe fits all kind of a drug approach which we are currently focusing. Now how the solution to this is nothing but to make the patient stakeholder integrating medicine systems which take an individual into account which gives the power to the individual. And then they should not just happen at an individual level but this requires a systemic change where the whole system understands that there are other medicinal practices as well. Which can fortify the current existing system not replace not supplant but fortify the current existing system of allopathy. And this is why my partner and I got into so we got obsessed with this idea and we started this organization known as him health care. And what we do at him is that we run metabolic longevity programs basically programs which target and individual individual their physiology and their metabolism for maintaining their happy life healthy life and helping them attain their full health potential. And how we do it is that we bring together allopathy along with Eastern medicinal practices. And then combine them to create personalized treatment plans for the patients who come to us for these lifestyle based diseases. Now, again as I was saying type two diabetes is something which is a lifestyle disease. Generally what happens is that you have to stay on medicines throughout your life through anybody who has known a person or has had type two diabetes would know that the only solution to this is stay on a medicine. Stay away from sugar, stay away from sugar heavy foods and work out right. This is the the prescription the standard prescription which is provided in alipathy. When you include Eastern medicinal practices, for example, yoga or Ayurveda yoga and Ayurveda claim that type two diabetes can be done away with completely. And it's hard to understand because again this science does not directly correlate with that science. This new science which we are learning we it has got nothing to do with the way things are explained in yoga or Ayurveda or maybe Chinese traditional medicine for that matter. But once you start applying those practices you see the changes. Most of it is experiential and you start seeing the changes and this is what we are trying to do here. While keeping alipathy still at the center of things we are trying to create a system where these practices also take the forefront. These practices are not just go home and do yoga kind of prescriptions because again yoga is not just essence that is a very, very huge misconception about this. Ayurveda is not just drinking abilities and adding turmeric to your lattes. It's definitely not that. But they are extensive scientific systems which claim to manage lifestyle based diseases to a very vast extent as opposed to alipathy which talks about instant treatments. And this is what we are doing combining Eastern practices and conventional alipathic medicine so that a person can enjoy a sustained health outcome something which not just goes as soon as they leave us. We don't want clients to be or patients to be in a state where as long as they are with us they are healthy and the moment when they go back home to their regular lifestyles everything falls apart. So how can you provide them with a structure which maintains the state of well-being, which maintains the sustained health for a longer period. And how do we do that? We bring in the facets of nutrition, gut health optimization, breath work and as I was talking about yoga and cardiac fitness. All of this together and at the center of it lies nature. Every time I talk about this this seems more like hokum because whenever you talk about nature the image which comes to your mind is you are on a retreat somewhere in the mountains and you feel nice and you feel awakened and you know all good things which people talk about. Basically you are you know it's an eat, pray, laugh kind of a situation which is happening. That is something which we want people to stay away from. It is in the mountains yes it is intrinsically related with nature yes but then there's a reason behind it not just because nature is pretty and mountains are pretty and you know you'll feel different and cut off from your city life. The reason is that biofilia is a very very important component of our existence. The understanding, philosophical understanding of there is oneness in everything is one thing but practical understanding that you are not too far away from nature you are nature basically. You breathe in the oxygen which the plants are releasing and the cycle continues. And then I'm not sure how many of you know about this for instance this concept of forest bathing or shinrin yoku. Now this is a Japanese concept and there are there are multiple researchers and papers on this which prove that if staying out in nature or in a forest hence forest bathing for around 20 minutes every day can actually bring down your cortisol levels or your stress hormone levels significantly. And again that doesn't mean that you have to be in a forest or in a mountain or in a park. A simple plant kept on your desk and if you are engaging if you are you know if you're focusing on that plant for at least five minutes every day just understanding you know connecting with it. You can see the decrease in your stress levels and that is when these are just simple examples right so the point which I was trying to make is that nature is not just there for being pretty and making you feel good for as long as you're there. It holds a very very important part when we are talking about your overall health and well-being. And this is a point which we try and drive home to people who are cooped up unfortunately in their cubicles or in their offices or in their apartments for long periods of time and how it's important and why it's important. So as I said we have allopathic medicine, clinical nutrition, Ayurveda, we try to bring in nature consciousness, counseling and therapy for mental health and yoga. We try and combine all these aspects to talk about a sustained well-being or a state of sustained well-being for individuals. We have residential programs and then we have online presence. So residential programs are obviously more intensive because people come and stay with us for five or 15 days and it's easier to work with them because they come with a gamut of ailments and understanding the root cause of that ailment itself takes time. So a person who's there with you complaining of backache or chronic joint pain, again it's not always that one particular thing. It's never joint pain alone. It's always multiple things which are related to that for which Eastern practices become helpful. So we try and manage their current problem point while understand what the problem is intrinsically and behind that core problem through Eastern practices. And once they go home, we hold their hand for a sustained period of time through our online programs so that they can stay with us and we can manage and monitor them in case they need help. We are trying to create a system here where we do things as organically and as local as possible. We have partnered with small scale farmers who are growing all the food which we cook here. The workforce is entirely women and that is something I think which working in the SDG world somehow that is something which is drilled in your psyche and you can't run away from that and it's beautiful. It leads to brilliant results. So we have an entirely women led team who manage this agriculture, who manage nutrition. We are talking about training so we not only train people who come to us, we also deliver training at the local level to people who are around us basically to the village people who are around this healthcare center. And then we use technology to monitor all of these things. And with this I think I would like to wrap up but before I wrap up here's the thing. This is what we do at him. Now the question is that how can you take it forward my presentation is over but does that make any sense to you once you shut your computers down. I have just a few points to give you which you can take home with if you're interested. And one thing is that as a practitioner of sustainable development or as somebody who is interested in health. One thing which we will have to learn is to come out of our silos and start seeing things as a whole. Stop focusing on the parts, take a step back get some perspective and start seeing things as a part of a bigger picture. One particular medicine or one particular format of medicine is never the solution. What are the other practices which are prevalent in the world. One individual and their problem is not enough that is not not everything. What else is happening with that individual. If that person complains if you complain of one thing try and identify what else is going on in your life, which might have precipitated this. Try and understand the concept of this oneness of this wholeness on a very scientific level. How unique and this is something which will I think which will also go a long way when you move into the world of or are into the world of policy and advocacy. Where once you start focusing on one problem don't get into it too deep while, while pushing the agenda forward always remember that there are multiple things associated with it. There are multiple factors associated with it, which need to also be taken care of. Second, focus on yourself health. Right now, again, work will always take precedence, but there are tiny things which you can do, which can make you a little bit more fitter every day. Try and inculcate some physical activity, even if it's walking walk from the subway station to your office. That's fine. If it's too hot find a way to work out for 10 minutes 15 minutes whatever your most favorite mode of workout is try and use that every day. Keep some time out for yourself where you are not on your phone where you are not reading a book where you are not engaging mentally with anything. And this I'm telling you is one of the most difficult things which you can ever do. Try and be with yourself for five minutes by the clock without doing anything you will start getting bored you'll start getting restless. Try and practice that see if you can do that and understand that your body is unique. This is a paradigm that comes which comes from Ayurveda that every individual is unique every body physiology is unique. There are strict prescriptions about how some people would benefit from eating warm foods whereas some people would benefit from eating cold foods. So where are you on the spectrum read up more try and understand more understand what your body wants. Why do you feel like eating a warm bowl of oatmeal as opposed to a dry toast in the morning, whereas your friend wants to do the exact opposite. So try and create these small health goals for yourself. Find at least five minutes of time and I can't go below five minutes find at least five minutes of time for yourself where you don't do anything every day. And hopefully we can all live a sustained healthier life. These are just some pictures I had from the healthcare center which we run. This is in the lower Himalayan region of India. And these are the two people who started this healthcare initiative and one of them would be appearing on your screen in now. So I think that was it from my end and now I will pass the bit on to Lucia and see what she has to say. Thank you so much for your patience everybody. Wow, thank you so much now really refreshing and exactly what I needed after, you know, we've been at this conference for now, several days and prior to a preparing and health has actually gone out the window. I mean, I haven't even thought about it, but it's so. Wow, very, very good. Thank you. I have a question though. And what would you like I said we'll take a question one question at least and then we'll go to the next speaker and then we'll come back for more questions. How did this was this always a dream of yours to start this center, or did is it something that was triggered by some kind of experience in your life, and you decided that you had to maybe change roots. Yeah, yeah, can you share a little bit of that with us. I would be happy to do so it's one of my favorite life stories. So, I have been an education as sustainable development and education person throughout learning pedagogy and frameworks has been my field of expertise. But I was, I'm also a trained yoga practitioner and I read the clinician on the side. Now what happened is that my partner, he is an oncologist. He's a hardwired allopathic medicine doctor. And when we were living together we used to butt heads quite a lot because when I used to tell him to do a certain thing. He used to call it hooker, because there is nothing like why does yoga claim this, I don't have scientific papers to do that. Now I do. But then at that point I didn't have enough evidence to say that why are things happening why am I eating this and why are you not eating this. So there was a huge clash in our own home, where these, you know the eastern side and the western medicine clashed almost every day and we fought a lot. It was very difficult to find congruences. But once we stopped fighting, we actually started looking for, because if we had to stay together we had to find ways where we could, you know, coexist. So, that's what we started doing. And then gradually and then COVID happened. And that's when we realized that most of the governments around the world are struggling to find optimal solutions to combat this people are people were just scrambling. To find solutions wherever they could. And that's where we came in and we thought that maybe this is something which could be helpful. So we used those two years of COVID, you know, we went back to the drawing board we tried to find out, you know, what what science had to say, found out all the facts, as opposed to just beliefs and experiences. And then we came up with frameworks, and we started him healthcare. That was also a time we realized that we were both living in Delhi and we realized what can't afford to lose 20 to 30 years of our lives, and took a drastic decision where we packed our stuff up and we had very little money on us or whatever but then we just moved to the hills and started living in a small setup and now here we are. Excellent. Excellent. I am in the West, but definitely just based on what you're what you shared with us today. Very, very curious in terms of what you do. And, and not just I want both not just the online program but also the actual experience is I definitely need it. And I think everybody else here, I'm sure we'll need it as well. So we're going to move on to the second speaker. But what we will do, though, is please keep your questions coming in the Q&A. And actually before we move on I see your partner has joined us and, you know, so hi, thank you for joining us and being here with us. And he doesn't understand that this is the speaker panel so he just jumped in without realizing that he's visible on the camera right now. Ah, okay. So welcome and thank you. Oh, but really beautiful presentation. Thank you so much. Really, really. Now we're going to the next speaker and the next speaker is Daniel Abdul Rahman and Daniel is currently the director of the CEO's office at the some way education group. One of Malaysia's largest nonprofit education social enterprises. The group is a huge proponent of the UN sustainable development goals and is the host of the Jeffrey Sachs Center on sustainable development. The SDG Academy under the UN sustainable development solutions network, as well as the Sunway Center for planetary health, both of which are located within their some way university. Having started his career as a human rights and constitutional law lawyer. Daniel's professional journey has traversed policy education media and technology. Daniel writes a regular column for the star newspaper Malaysia's top English daily on various topics, including education environment technology and society. He's also part time hosts a on a, a TV talk show for bird Nama, Malaysia's national news agency. Aside from writing and moderating Daniel has been invited to speak on artificial intelligence, the future of work and UN sustainable development goals by banks government agencies. And international internationally renowned institutions from time to time. He also trains civil servants and students on public policy and strategic communications. Daniel holds a postgraduate law degree from the University of Oxford. So, welcome Daniel. This will be really interesting. Thank you. Can you hear me. Yes. Thank you very much for the kind introduction. I sort of gave a longer one thinking you might, you know, cut it a little bit. But thank you for watching us through that. And good morning. Good, good afternoon. Good evening. Good night. Well, don't go yet. For everyone who's with us today. Thank you so much for joining us and for the opportunity to address to share a little bit with all of you here. Just going to take a look at the time. All right. And, you know, it was really interesting to listen to Neha's presentation and sharing earlier. I think as, as we get older, and you know, at least for me, the body starts to creek a little bit. Then you start wondering what's wrong and then how does one sort of heal. Right. And I thought that was absolutely insightful that it's not just the medication it's a myriad of factors. I think we can have a bit more of a chat about that later. My sharing will be on the SDGs driving innovation in the future of work. I'll be talking about it in the context of Sunway Education Group. It's a, it's a very quite a big group. We are part of the Sunway Group in Malaysia. The education group has about 20 over entities within it. We've got a university, five colleges, two international schools, and many centers, which I'll be sharing about later. So the reason why I've titled this, this presentation as such is because we, when we educate our students and as we and how we approach our, our education is also by looking at the future. We are very much big proponents of the UN sustainable development goals. And we believe that by looking at the SDGs and innovation and the future job market. That's what we will know where our focuses should lie as we deliver this education for our students. Yep. So, it's just going to be in four quick parts. And then we'll have a bit of Q&A later on. So, so first part is the fourth industrial revolution, our machines and automation taking over. And I wanted to share this bit to set a bit of context on the challenges of the trends that we're facing. I believe many of us have heard of the fourth industrial revolution. We are living in it. Some are now already talking about the fifth industrial revolution. But here you have it once again. And by and large, it is driven by advancements that we can see in AI machine learning internet of things autonomous hardware and advanced data systems. And now a few reports already have come out, which some of us might be familiar with. So, you know, back in 2016, the future of jobs report by the World Economic Forum said that 5.1 million jobs will disappear to the destruction. In the 2018 report, you know, the numbers are dated because of trends, things emerging around us and it said 75 million jobs will be lost, but 133 million new roles will emerge as technology advances. Now in the 2020 report, it's sort of been adjusted a little bit more. And, you know, it doesn't talk about just disappearing jobs, but the changing of roles. And it says that 97 new roles less jobs will emerge, whereas 85 million will be need to be reconfigured. It's not lost here. It's, you know, reconfigured or the nature of those roles will change. And the important question that we ask ourselves, and I believe it's not just relevant to us in some way, but also those of you wherever you are is who will be filling up these jobs, because there will be a net. Sorry, there will be actually a surplus of jobs than actually those that disappear. And the question becomes, how do we prepare our young people for it? Excuse me. Of course, the report also looked at the impact of COVID-19 and how it is pushing companies to scale remote work to accelerate digitization, as well as automation. So we are living in a time of all these things happening around us. I just wanted to bring a little bit of context to ASEAN to understand what's currently happening here. This number shows the sort of broad overview of the labor force in member states of ASEAN in Southeast Asia. And on the right, you have some data points from various think tanks, research institutions, management consultants about the nature of the job market. I won't go into details. It's here for you to kind of look at. The long and short of it is, there will be a change in the time to come. And that time is effectively now. So moving on quickly to the second part is, what are the employment trends happening globally as well as in Malaysia? Many of us would have read about the great resignation as, you know, COVID lockdowns in the world, around the world end. We see that 11.5 million workers have created their jobs in the spring of 2021. Why? For various reasons, right? The prioritization of life is different. What has become more important after being locked down for so long? I think, you know, Neha was talking about better mindfulness of oneself. So a lot of this has emerged and we've seen people are leaving at mass, right? But interestingly enough, just a couple of weeks ago, the new trend seems to be the great resignation may be followed by the great regret. So, you know, as COVID has started one thing and we've all moved in one particular direction, now that things are sort of coming back to some normalcy, it's moving in the opposite direction. Now this could mean a few things. It could mean that people felt that the grass was green on the other side, but it's not. But it could also mean that perhaps we've not really learned our post-COVID lessons properly and that we are just defaulting to ways of the old. I don't know what it might, which one it is. Perhaps you could drop a comment in the Q&A about the next global trend is the gender gap and it continues to persist. In a recent WEF report, it says that it'll take about 267.6 years to close workplace disparities globally and, you know, that's clearly a very alarming number. According to the OECD social institutions and gender index, women around the world carry up to 10 times more work than men, especially during the lockdown. The lockdown, this is prevalent and, you know, in Malaysia, there's an uptick in domestic violence cases reported during the pandemic. So we see that the challenges surrounding gender are still very much there. Some of it exacerbated during COVID and, of course, depending on where you are in the world, there are different priorities and different hills to climb. The next one is the shifts in non-standard work. In Malaysia, out of our 15-plus million strong labor force, about four million are in the gig economy one way or the other. And in the World Bank 2020 report, it highlighted that 26% were gig workers. So different numbers depending on who you ask or where you look at. In Malaysia, Grab Food and Food Panda are two big e-hailing services and we see that a lot of people are moving in that direction. This in itself also creates conversations about reliance on foreign labor, low wages, or even just opportunities to move up at scale. So remember the earlier slide about the emerging jobs and how many of those are in data for IR spaces. How do we fill those demands? And then this has sort of like a wider implication for, you know, national economy. Okay, of course, the other trend is continuous upskilling and lifelong learning. I know in London, for example, some universities are opening cohorts specifically for people who are retirees and they treat the 60 and above cohort as, you know, just like any other student, they go to class with everyone, but they have very specific programs planned for them. In Asia Pacific, there are 28 million learners. And, you know, online learning has provided access unlike ever before. What I would love highlighting, what I love highlighting is the pictures you see below. And Malaysia, we've got something called APEL sounds a bit like Apple, but it's a chance for the accreditation of prior experiential learning. And what it is, is it allows people who don't have formal education qualifications, but they have worked, you know, as entrepreneurs, or they've had they've held a standard job for a certain period of time to come into education using work as qualifications. So the picture you see on the left is a good friend of mine. He's a friend of mine now. He was a school dropout at 14. He started a music business at 18. And at the age of 32, he went straight to an MBA. So he, you know, no O levels, no A levels, no degree, but straight to an MBA. And that's very possible. On the right is Michael Verappen. He's a famous Malaysian jazz pianist. He does not have a degree that even straight for a master's because on the back of his sort of musical experience and industry experience. So I think these are unique trends that are happening around the world. And of course, the other one is enhancing the number of women playing the role in TVAT. TVAT here stands for technical vocational education and training. It goes by different nomenclatures depending on where you are in the world. But it is also then very important to see diversification of the workforce by encouraging more women to get involved in this space which is traditionally seen as more male dominated as it is. And now we move on to Patrick, the future of jobs and the UN SDGs driving innovation. So, you know, earlier we saw kind of like the changes in the drug market, then we saw global trends and how it impacts and now kind of let's tie this together with the SDGs as well as the jobs market. Fundamentally what we are experiencing isn't new per se. It is history repeating itself. In these pictures you can see amusingly on the left a window knocker. Before the days of alarm and irritating mobile phone tunes that go off in the morning, you actually had a person to go around knock on your window to wake you up. In the middle bowling pin stutter, now we know it's automated and on the right you see a factory like so, you know, pre radio days. And this is what these technologies are today. In fact, it's more than that, right. Once upon a time, this gentleman here was, you know, kind of like super cool, you know, he's got all the gadgets, the gizmos, and all of this can be found in your smartphone. So, you know, this kind of also just shows how technology has just sort of come together and you would imagine everyone who used to work on assembly lines, putting together these electronics machines and technologies are now focused on this right. But as we say, you know, one job gone, others created. I am a fan of this very famous photo of the workers back in the day and now you put the robots there. Of course, we can see that there aren't women in this photo so you can even see even in this context gender challenges still remain big challenges. And I'd like just to ask all of you who are tuning in with us. How many of you have heard of any of these jobs from number one to number nine. This is from LinkedIn, which talks about emerging jobs around the world. There's iOS developer, Android, Zumba instructor, anyone, social media intern, data scientist, UI UX designer, big data architect, beach body coach and cloud services specialist. Now, so I actually can't see comments coming through at the moment. But if I were to ask you how many of you have heard of any of these jobs or not heard of any of these jobs, perhaps you can sort of do a virtual hand raise or sort of in your own mind. But what if I told you this list is already eight years old. Right, so it's not something that was from a year or two ago, which also shows that, you know, even as long as it's six, seven, eight years ago, they were already all these emerging things and now I think this list would have influencer. Let's not even go into Metaverse or, you know, Tesla bots and androids, but that's another big space. So in a report by the Center for the Future of Work, which talks about jobs of the future, just some highlights that that seemed to have popped out would be, for example, AI assisted healthcare technician, fitness committment counselor, or, you know, what they has doing right. You've got artificial intelligence, business development manager, or even a genomic portfolio director. There was a point in time where at the height of public people said vaccine advisor would come into play as somebody would advise you which vaccines to choose because that has implications on your health, where you can travel, etc, etc, etc. So what it also goes to show is that this, this is an era that's constantly emerging. I believe a couple of years ago, the US Labor Department also released a statistic which said children today, or something like 70 will be growing, we will be educating children today for 75% of jobs that don't yet exist. And we wouldn't even know what those jobs are. Of course, one of my favorites would be the digital detox specialist, where we kind of get away from our always connected, always on world. And I don't know, I mean, I think what Nehouse spoke about earlier was something that could be done. So, more than just jobs, right? We also then have the SDGs to empower our children and to solve Earth's greatest challenges. And I'm just going to play a quick video. I hope the volume, and of course, you know, we all know there's the SDG map, the 17 SDGs, and there's a short video. There's some music, but if the music doesn't play, don't worry, because there's, there are pop up and their props. So I'm just going to play this video. It's about a minute and a half long. Enjoy. Thank you. All right. So, I hope that that the one and a half minutes sort of gave you an overview. Yes, it's very much artificial intelligence focus, but it also shows you the different aspects of technology, SDGs, and how all of those come together and kind of like the areas in which we could inspire our young people to kind of do something. So, I think just kind of being inspired by Nehouse's speech earlier, I also kind of had this slide, but I was planning not showing or not showing, but I'm just going to pop it here. If you look at the human being and kind of like where technology and education can come into play, there's so many areas. So for example, when you talk about AI for early warning medical conditions, you can look at the brain and illnesses or diseases like depression and Alzheimer's. The kidney, the heart, the gut, the womb, then you've got smart medical devices, bones, smart drills, lungs, asthma monitoring, AI powered insulin, pumps, closed loop pancreas, and in AI for medical imaging there's renal cell, Casinoma using digital microscope slides, detect eye diseases, breast cancer, even skin inflammatory bowel syndrome using abdominal MRIs. So, I mean, and you can see that there's such a huge and wide application and there's so many areas in which technology and SDGs can come together and drive change for the betterment of society. And I'll just move before going on to the last part, I think it's all I have to mention climate change or some say the climate crisis. This was an earlier report, report five, I'm not mistaken, whether it's UN Secretary General Antonio Gutierrez said it's a code rate for humanity, I think the latest report sounds alarm bells even more alarmingly so. And you can see just, you know, by Googling out by looking at the news. We have unprecedented floods, fires, Malaysia has not been spared either. Interestingly, during COVID we remember there was a lot of environmental rehabilitation. When we were locked down, it was an opportunity for human mother nature, humankind to sort of heal itself. Yet that's, that seems to be reversing now that everyone's out and about again. So this moves me on to the last part of my sharing bit, which is what the Sunway Education Group is doing. And our journey essentially started in 1974. We say that we are a wasteland to a wonderland. The Sunway area started off as an old mining, tin mining extraction quarry, which was then abandoned because he had depleted its resources. And it was then taken over by our chairman and founder, Tan Sri Jeffree Chia, and then turned into what you see on the right hand side. So this has been almost 50 years in the making. It's a beautiful place. I am, where am I in this photo? Actually, you know, this picture is probably taken from the building I'm currently in. Yeah, that's right, the university. And we do release sustainability reports. We've got one online, which is accessible for everybody and you could Google Sunway sustainability report. We didn't have time to put up a QR code. And this is our second report, which is on building an equitable and climate resilient society. I just want to share a little bit kind of like very high level points. We've got five goals. And we have announced that we want to achieve net zero carbon by 2050. We've also started looking at carbon. So having having by 2030, as well as other goals, we've got 19 targets across five goals, as you can see here. And this is the one having emissions by 2030 by looking at internal carbon pricing. We want to engage with stakeholders to reduce our scope tree emissions and getting to net zero by 20. And this is sort of just a sampling of the broad areas that we are looking at in our five goals. So everything, for example, if you look at, let's, let's look at number three, developing a safe and equal and dignified workforce. If you look at it from a capital perspective, it's social capital, human capital, the material issues are human rights, it's freedom of association, et cetera, et cetera. Activities are having to recognize best practices, enhance security, learning and development opportunities, and then talk about the value we create. So we've mapped everything that the group is doing across these five goals and trying to align to make sure that, you know, we create the best environment and not just for ourselves, but for everyone around us, as well as, you know, in all the countries that we are in. Just an example, a sampling of the kind of information that we track. What you see on the left is total energy consumption. But what I find quite interesting is the decorative items that we use during the festive season. As you know, Malaysia is a very multiracial country. And we celebrate Chinese New Year, the Mid-Autumn Festival, Di Parvali, Eid, as well as Halloween. And this is, I believe, the tracking that's done by our malls. So we have one of the biggest malls in Malaysia. And this also shows the kind of items. And we try to make sure that by tracking this, we are able to reuse and we don't unnecessarily waste the stuff that we buy. Right. So it becomes more sustainable. An example from the education side, we've installed solar panels in various buildings. And as you can see the building energy intensity has gone down from by 33% from 2015. This was just before the COVID cut off, of course, so that, you know, it doesn't like drop because of COVID. On the right, you can see samples of where we've installed the solar panels and it's all of it and it's an ongoing effort. Broadly, and I won't go into too many details here, but we've also tracked our performance and sustainability across the 17 SDGs. All of this is available in the report and, you know, feel free to have a look at it. Some sustainability was a recognition. I won't go into details here. And fundamentally, this is kind of like what we want to create, right? A smart city, which is sustainable for everyone around us. So a few things at the education group, as you see, I've also mentioned earlier, as proponents of the SDGs, we are close to the Jeffrey sex center on sustainable development here at Sunway Education Group. We are also very proud hosts of the SDG Academy, my good friend, Shannon, and the Colombo office here, and we are trying to scale SDG education in schools. We also recently launched something called the Sunway Plant Center for Planetary Health, recognizing that planetary health also plays a role in the relationship, not just among humans, but between humans, the environment, Flora and Fauna for the future. And we've even got a planetary health pledge, which we get our students to pledge so that, you know, they become more environmentally conscious. On the technology front, we've launched 42KL, which is a coding school. It is zero tuition fees, zero teachers, zero classes, 100% coding, where students learn from each other about coding and the processes. This is an alternative pathway where anyone between the ages of anyone 18 and above can participate. And it is industry led to solve industry challenges. And this is very unique. It's been around for about one and a half years, keeping in mind the challenges during COVID. And so far, it's just been progressing very positively. Yep, we've also got the Future Receivers Research Institute looking at urbanization, which is going to be a massive challenge in times to come. Very recently, we are also part of the Mission 4.7, Education for Sustainable Development Efforts, where we want to try to inculcate ESD within Malaysian schools as well as around the region. Of course, the SDG Academy is working very hard on this, and we are very, very proud to support this effort. Of course, food security is a very important point for all of us, and the Sunway Future Rex farm has been created in order to not just produce food, but also for sustainability education. So it's a nice farm. We've got a good restaurant here. If anybody happens to come around to Bandar Sunway in Malaysia called Lupo, please drop me a line and I'll be happy to bring you over for lunch. If it's not too big a group, I'll buy you lunch. If it's too big, then we'll have a discussion about that. These are the kinds of produce that is produced at the farm. There are actually more. I was initially going to hide the, I was going to do this so clearly my graphics have not come out in the right order. And then I was going to ask you whether you could name the different vegetables. But let's not do that right now. But here's what we have as the offerings. And then looking at it from an employment entrepreneurship opportunity. We also, there's a subscription service where you could be a grown up. Well, not grown up and grown name, but a green owner grown owner, whereas for a certain price fixed price kind of like a Netflix subscription but imagine Netflix for vegetables. If you like vegetables. So that's kind of like the model here. And in conclusion, I'd like to highlight something that Professor Jeff sacks has said about the education aspect, you know, he says students hear about it, the sustainable development goals. They want to know more about it but they don't get it as if they don't get access to it. They don't get the scientific dimension, the political dimension or the business dimension. In the next few years, in their jobs, they will have to deal with sustainability ESG and all sorts of SDG related issues in their businesses. This is why SDG education is important. And this is one of the reasons why the education group is very much supportive of SDGs. We believe that education on sustainability equip students with knowledge and skills in emerging markets from new methods of recycling to consultancy role. It's a myriad of things, right. And it provides job opportunities, which could help overcome poverty. So, keeping the eye on the price that's really what it's about. And I'll end with a quote by our founder and chairman country Jeff which are where he says that our efforts at are driven by our recognition that realizing the SDGs is not the sole responsibility of the government. It requires the commitment of all private of all the commitment of all sectors of society, the private sector academia civil society and of course every single individual, we're all in this together. And the last slide I believe, and we have to focus on what's essential the hand the head and above all the heart. And I think the heart is, is, is very much important in this journey of employment, education, technology, SDGs. And if our hearts in the right place, you know, God willing, we will be able to make a change on that note. Thank you very much. I shall end here and hand the floor over to this year. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, yes, both, you know, both presentations have been very, very inspiring and wonderful. And so we are now open to taking questions I think this is set up like webinar style, unfortunately, which doesn't allow me the opportunity to open up and have people ask their questions directly. I don't have to put that put it in the Q&A. But one question I have is really based on this for both of you. Danielle you said that the children are today are being based for 75% of jobs that don't exist. Right. So how can we best prepare for these opportunities like for both, you know, in terms of the jobs that are to come and Neha for, you know, how can somebody how can you change that mindset of you got to go to school, you have to, you know, do your different levels of degrees and there will be a job out there waiting for you. It seems to me that both of you, or especially Neha, you have gone out and created this opportunity you have this long term vision and you just did it. What, how, I mean, what, what do our youth of today or even mid career professionals who are in the process of maybe wanting to change what they're doing. How, what, what advice would you give them. Yeah, anyone, either one of you. Daniel, it's a nice, you know, say, yeah, you can start and then I'll phone. Thank you. You know, coincidentally, I had a slide for that, which I didn't show earlier but I'll just kind of very quickly show I think, keeping in mind all the challenges that we see I think it boils down to this essential, these two things right mindset skills and participation skills. The mindset skills are about phoning analytical critical thinking, creativity, curiosity, and initiative, initiative thinking, problem solving cognitive, and it's it's all there and of course committed and capable of lifelong learning I think remembering that learning doesn't end once you're out of school or university. Then there's participation skills. Being emotionally and culturally intelligent environmentally concerned trustworthy. So, I think the short answer, the order the long answer than to use this question is educators of people in a position need to be keep to own these mindsets and these approaches in the young people, because you might teach something that's technical and that might be done by automation, but these skills are, I believe, evergreen and everlasting, and that curiosity I believe this is what will continue us continue to allow us to be agile and adaptable for the 70% 75% of the unknown for what's to come. I think what Daniel said, made excellent sense that technical skills will be overcome will be overtaken by technology or something else or they will be obsolete. One, one very strong example which I like to quote every time is that writing is an essential skill every single child in school and start writing first. What we don't know is that writing is something which is going to turn into an art form very soon, because we would not need writing in the next 20 years, because everything would be voice activated everything would be AI based. So this this form will turn into something which is which artists do if you know writing that's good. So the idea that right now what the way we teach children specifically and up to graduates is that we teach them subjects, information which is given to them is very subject based, you know, learn math, learn science, learn biotechnology learn biochemistry or whatever. What we don't learn is that these are things which can be picked up at any point in life. The skills which actually need to be taught and learned our leadership, you know, life basically everything which is life based how to conduct yourself in life about what if you want to launch a business how should you do that and I'm not talking about the MBA courses I'm just talking about that mindset of entrepreneurship. So the skills which were being taught post industrialization are already 150 200 years old. And now a huge shift in mindset is required as to what should we teach children as a core curriculum versus what technical skills should be provided on top of it. And when you're talking about professionals or early professionals young professionals. This is something which you, everybody needs to understand skills are transferable. So if you were trained as a chemist, it does not mean that you will, you know, you have to be a chemist for your own a whole life or you will be working in the field of chemistry what you understand is measurements. What you understand is how two different components come together to make a third one, how two different things react and can either make something gorgeous or can either lead to devastation. That is the skill which can be transferred to almost any other facet or any other field you are interested in. Keep your eyes and ears open and instead of putting on blinders which say that this is the path which I have chosen and forever I will be moving into this. You know, open up to things which generally excite an interest to open up to things your ideas which you really believe in and then see how your training or your skill can actually be extrapolated and can actually be helpful in the thing which you want to start now. Thank you. Thank you. Oh my one question that keeps come out coming up for me. And, you know, and maybe it's not as relevant for the audience that's here with us today. But how, but I'm going to ask it anyway. So how do we make this this new lifestyle this new thinking accessible to people that one maybe, you know, can't eat healthy every day. For example, can afford the I mean, I'm in the USA. And I know that to go to eat organic every day, for example, it will just it's going to eat up my salary period and won't really allow me to even pay for my rent, because the prices of those foods in the city, actually are so high. Or, you know, may not have the possibilities of going to, even if you don't have, you know, even if you don't follow the traditional pathway to college and school, you know, even if you are available for those people, for example, that can afford to go to school. For example, what can they, you know, what, what are the opportunities are they being left out will they be left out from this new world. There's new opportunities that you're presenting to us today. I don't know this is just something that I had in my mind so I'm just putting it out there. Are we living. No, the only thing which will work is constant education and educating at all levels, not just at a particular, you know, at a particular straight or to a particular, you know, set of people, but then this education will have to seep through like it will have to be a radical education, and again, nothing but a policy level change or nothing but a large level change in mindset can bring this to happen. Now, when we are talking so because you gave a very specific example of, of food that that is the food which is available and you can't afford. Not everybody can make a pilgrimage to a farmers market and maybe the organic, you know, GMO free food is very expensive where you live. And as I was saying this is this is the irony of affluent diseases or lifestyle based diseases now which is the thing which we have come to realize and understand is that we need to follow a 70 30, you know, ratio. Not everything is under your control. You can't see where your food so if you get a bag of spinach from the supermarket, you can't see where it's coming from, but then how you consume it what you pair it with, what you do with your lifestyle in your day is something which you can actually control. So that is the kind of education and training which needs to be, again, see, doing 100% perfect life, I'm not even sure if that is possible or practical for anybody who's living in the 21st century that's that's dystopia, at least in this life you can maybe retire to the mountains and live a life in a silo and then it might be possible. So what aim should be to do a 70 30 thing and as constantly I was trying to tell you that understand your body physiology understand what your body desires and wants and things which can be changed should definitely be changed and now, and things which cannot be managed should should just for now, you know, you can just let them be and see what happens this is still a huge change from the status quo. Daniel, would you like to continue with the education side of example. Yes, can you hear me. It's very interesting question is here and interesting points and I agree with you. In context wise, you know, it's hard for me to talk on behalf of Malaysia, we've got the highest obesity rates in Southeast Asia, I think we might be even maybe highest in Asia, so that's a big problem. Oh, someone is saying. Very low. How's it sound now. For me it's fine but everybody else. Yeah, how's everyone else. Oh, all good. Okay, thank you. Yeah, somebody texted me saying that they couldn't quite hear my presentation. Yes, I saw that. Oh, slow. Better than before. Okay. Okay, how about now. Yes, for me it's fine what about everybody else. Yeah, okay, I come technology. So Malaysia has an issue with obesity, you know, in our federal capital UNICEF report back in 2018 said that we had stunting problems. And this wasn't in rural Malaysia this was in federal capital. And, you know, and sort of looking at these two things, you see that the problems are multiple it's culture. In Malaysia we pride ourselves on having great food. I'm sure Shannon would have told you that. But at the same time, it's also how do we encourage healthier eating less sugar and all of that right so a few things will happen number one it's government plays a role, especially when it comes to habits amongst children in schools and Malaysia for example even for poorer parts of Malaysia we have the, we call it the RMT the food, it's like a food plan so Monday to Fridays government provides some milk some food. At the individual level, it gets a bit trickier right because as adults we also have our own autonomy on how we, how we run out how we can sort of conduct our lives. And at the same time, life changes happen in a few ways. Number one, you face a health crisis right somebody falls sick and then you go, my life needs to change. And then suddenly that creates that realization. Or number two, it could just be, you know, I suppose my personal experience was I was quite a chubby kid growing up and there were elements where people used to make fun of me and you get good and I'm like yeah this has to stop and the only way to stop is to lose weight exercising, and then I picked up that habit. But I think you see perhaps just another angle to answer that is, it has to be community based. I feel when we talk about the individual changing their license individual that sort of misses out on the point that the community needs to play a role. The ex farms that we have here in Sunway is not meant to serve the entire country it's meant to serve the community in which Sunway is based. Right. So, and it's, I mean, it's not currently cheap, but we also work with a number of NGOs here that collect food and then process it for the wider community. There was a very generous bunch there was a point where people were giving out food to the poor in the capital of Kuala Lumpur, and they were actually choosing what they wanted to eat and they even some of them even said we get too much rice every day. So, you know, it's it's quite a tangential challenge that we have here, but I do feel that if communities start being more conscious of food is there within the community. Because we solve it. So it's not just a very high level, governmental challenge that we see. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Thank you so much. I mean, for both this has been so interesting. Very, very interesting. It's really made me personally question how I'm living my life and and giving me some ideas of some of the things that I need to do. And both of you, if you, if you're able, please drop your maybe contact info if you want to share it, or even your website so that those who are online, they can connect with you. And also remember that this is recorded so once this is finished, I'm going to be sending this out. You know, and other people who are unable to be here today with us will be able to see this business has been really, really interesting and very, very helpful. Any last closing words that you are there was one question, but I didn't really ask it because I think you've, you've already addressed it, but I'll ask it out loud so that, you know, whoever asked it anonymous attendee feels acknowledged. And it was how do you design effective training for local people. So that was the question that was asked. But if you want to add something to that question that's fine I think you've really have addressed it in one way or the other. But if you want to add anything to it that's fine but just make sure your contact is available please. Or and if you don't have anything to say about that question, any closing words and the last closing words you want to add. Thank you. Yeah, just one quick thing because I think this came this question came immediately after my presentation. So, for local people. Right now we it's a very specific challenge because we are living in the mountains and surrounded by primarily rural population. And the thing is that there the challenge is completely opposite to what Lucia was saying there is no dirt off you know quality food or it's an agri based economy. The challenge here is that people are busy they don't again, like everybody. Nobody has time to take out, you know, specific pockets of time for focusing on their health. These people are constantly moving people around us are constantly doing physical labor. The challenge there becomes is that their knees and their joints are short completely because it's an uphill terrain they're working they're standing constantly on one hand where there is a population which is sitting constantly for 12 hours there is also another side where people are constantly standing on their feet for 12 hours. There they need to be trained women for example women health women's health is something which is completely ignored in most part of, like, if I may take the liberty of saying most country. So that is something where we need to really focus and that is what we do. So we try and arrange local workshops and local seminars where people can walk in, or we go to these specific areas in the villages and mobilize community volunteers basically not something which we so there's one thing which we understood that there are there is, you know, him healthcare is a small team, we can't be present everywhere so you need to create an army. And how do you create an army by training these people. See, once a person understands the benefits of something, you don't have to push them to take it forward, then they will organically take the lead and do it. So we go out to these village areas train volunteers there. And then it becomes their responsibility to bring women together or to bring their community people together and to hold these small camps or workshops where they encourage them. So this is the model which we are following currently and we hope to scale up at some point right now maybe not as it's not the right time but then at least at the local level. This is something which is working for us so creating local level volunteers and then training them to take it further where our hands and feet cannot reach. So yeah that was my answer to the last question and as a closing remark I would just like to say that it was fantastic this whole session was fabulous. The experience with ICSD has not just been of this one but we have worked together in the past as well, and just listening to new ideas every single time is. So here's the thing, there are things which you read. Daniel did not say something which was, you know, out of the world extraordinary I did not say something which nobody had heard before. It's just that because in this rat race and the race which we are running, we keep forgetting these things which are very, very important. And being a part of these sessions just sort of it acts as an excellent reminder to bring those things home. So you know those those things just come back to you and you realize that these are the things which you should not let go of. Your work will never stop moving your work will never stop moving your your relationships will go right and then they will be nice and everything will just keep going the way it is. Just do not lose track of the priorities, do not lose track of this one physical body and mental body which you've been given, because this is something which will take you, which will be with you till your last breath. So everything else might just fail everything else again as they say that, you know, then your last moment comes nobody remembers that one great presentation which you gave, or that you know one project report which you presented what matters is how healthy you are and how not miserable you are when you are 95 years old or 98 years old. So yeah just take care of yourself take care of your body and remember that you are really important to yourself. And that's how I would just like to close thank you so much. Thank you, Daniel. Yeah, I echo everything that has said thank you so much to see our team and everyone who joined us today from around the world. I think one mind has been very much on education. I've shared a quote in the chat box, which I think really encapsulates our way of living right. It says, you know, the literate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write those who cannot learn It's a quote by Elvin Toffler. It's quite well known. And I think if we live by this, at least that curiosity and the wonderment of the world that we have around us, we can make the world a better place. So whenever things seem tough, I think always remember that there are like-minded people around who are in it to just make the world better. So thank you so much. Again, and it's such a pleasure to be on this panel, especially with Neha. I learned a lot too. No, this has been the best panel. I really, really have enjoyed it. Really, really have enjoyed it. It's been an inspiration. Neha, next time we speak, you will see a difference in my lifestyle, my mental health, because I absolutely need it. So this is really, it's been fantastic. And Jess, I know that Daniel already writes a column, because it was part of his bio, but Neha, I'm not sure if you're writing any columns or putting yourself out there in that way, a blog. Because, you know, these are seeds of wisdoms. And I think, you know, we have to disseminate it wider or broader. Yes, so it's on our website. We keep writing health blogs on our website, which is him health.com. And there is an Instagram page. Unfortunately, we are not on Twitter right now. I'm personally on LinkedIn. But yes, him health.com website has all the write ups and the same handle can be checked out on Instagram as well. Well, to both of you again, thank you. Have a blessed day. Really appreciate it. You've blessed me with really everything that you've said. I really, this has been fantastic. Thank you. Thank you so much, Lucía. Thank you so much, Daniel. Bye everyone.