 I'm seeing now more and more a lot of the, which you just said, the intern-based contracting professionals. It seems like a lot of the people that were, I guess, the ones grandfathered in are retiring. Did you see that same trend? Yes, quite a bit actually. There was a very, very heavy amount of the baby boomer generation who are actually retiring, and they're really leaving a pretty big hole to fill, which is good for, which is great for the people of my generation because we're getting promoted faster and things like that. But it could be tougher for the next wave of people coming into federal acquisition. Yeah, I see that because I mean every, and again, I started doing this back in 2007. And so everyone at that time that I dealt with, they had been a contracting official for 20-some odd years. And now, you know, fast forward 2019, almost every office that I work with now in the federal government has interns. Almost every office, like 90 plus percent, they all have interns working in there. And there's a lot of transition. And then the older people, like you said, the baby boomer generation, I guess they all just retired at the same time. Yeah, that's what it feels like on my end as well, and what I've seen in the workforce. Wow. Now, you called it, you said the acronym, DAU. What did you call it? How did you say it? Yeah, DAU. But no, you said it, you said it like to get like dowy or you said it. Oh, do we, the Defense Acquisition Workforce Improvement Act. That essentially was the basis of why DAU exists. Do we, that's how you say it. Okay. Okay. And do we, that's the certification? Yes. Okay. That is the, the certification courses that we, that we teach essentially. Okay. So I teach Khan 90, Khan 170 and Khan 280. Those are about a mixture of level one and level two certification courses for contracting. So let's, let's talk about, we'll get back to that. But first, how did you get involved with Defense Acquisition University? How did you, how did you go from, what did you do before that prior to this position? Sure. So right around the, the 2008 timeframe, I was a, I was actually a teacher at a middle school and high school and at a private school living in South Florida. And I also recently finished my master's in business administration. So because it was 2008 and housing crisis and all that stuff and the economy was just in, you know, terrible downturn, I was fortunate enough to, to get a government job. So I really started all the way from the bottom and got a job at Wright and Penerson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, where I was doing like flight simulator contracts. And I was doing a source selection for a pretty big $450 million deal. But so I was essentially doing the, the performing level of the contract administration type stuff. So I did a few different rotations and offices by a lot of different things all the way from toilet paper to major weapon systems and F-35s and things like that. And then USAjobs.gov, I, I saw a job for an instructor position at DAU. And I was really interested in that. And I, I applied for it when I did an interview and I was able to get that position. Well, that actually makes sense coming from a teacher background that you went to back to what you liked or what you enjoy the most. Yeah. I didn't find out until afterwards that they give additional points for already having some instructed, some teacher experience or things like that. Oh, so that worked out in your favor? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Now, so the government put this in place in the 90s, like you said, the act was in the 90s. And then they started requiring it for everyone in the 2000s. Now, is it mainly for contracting officers and contract specialists support people or who else can all participate or sign up for courses with Defense Acquisition? Joe, we have many different certifications in, in Duia. We have, like what I teach, I teach the concourses, which are entirely contracting because all of my background is contracting. But we also have everything from program management to engineering to life cycle logistics. And every different type of, every different member of the acquisition team can come to DAU to get training. But we also do allow contractors to, we do allow contractors to come to Defense Acquisition University. But because of the need for federal government employees to come first, the contractors are really lower down on the, on the list. So it's difficult for a contractor to come into a DAU class. I've actually never had a contractor in one of my classes, but I've heard that it can happen. And I know other instructors who have had a couple. Okay. So it's not prohibited. It's just the, the need is so great right now for the, for the Department of Defense that we, you know, that comes first. That's the priority. Exactly. Right. Exactly. Okay. Okay. Now I know that you also, they also have online learning and online modules. Yes. We actually have quite a few. There's a lot of stuff on the dau.no website, which if you're interested in something, you can just go to that website and go get educated. And there's so much stuff for people to just learn and take continuous learning modules and receive continuous learning points to be able to kind of self-help without an instructor present. Okay. So then we probably have a better chance of doing something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Now you said it's not that expensive, but we're talking about the track of someone wanting to actually become a contracting professional, right, to become like certified so they can do this for a living. But if we, if we want to take random courses, anyone could sign up at any time for the online classes. Exactly. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's fair. Do you have in mind anything specifically like, is there a say curriculum for how to navigate the small business program? So they have like a separate curriculum for that? So there are certain positions at dau that that focus specifically on small business. Okay. And I know ours at at the capital northeast region, ours just recently retired, and I'm not sure if they have hired a person yet for that need at the at the DC region. Okay. Okay. And the reason why I ask is I was just wondering if there are a lot of times what, and again, from my experiences of working with smaller companies, they want a structured curriculum. So if I recommend to them just to go online and take random classes, they're going to the next logical questions could be, right? Is there a track, right? Is there an actual course or a track that I can follow? And that way we take in a series of classes to lead us to somewhere. Yeah. And that's another problem that I've heard from industry is that they don't really have a capability to educate their, their staff the same way that that the federal workforce does. Right. So I have heard of the need where, you know, contractor force the development of some type of contractor equivalent program for for Dawea certification. Yeah. And that's interesting because think, and I agree 100% by the way, because think about this way. Dawea and I, and I'm, and I have your catalog of courses, right? So you have, yeah, I mean, I don't know, hundreds courses. But imagine if that the buyer has all of this information, but the contract that's offering the services has none of that information at their disposal. Yeah. Right. So if the buyer needs this type of certification, this type of education, in order to buy the products or services, the acquisition, it would, it would make sense to me, right, that the contract should have at least of a minimum understanding of providing that level of service to the government as well. Right. So then that way we're both exactly, we're both talking the same language. It's like one person speaking one language and the other person speaking a foreign language. Yeah. And from my experience, what I've seen happen is the private sector will kind of hire, you know, seek a federal employee that they find and have a good relationship with to kind of work with them and represent their, their business and make sure that they can, they can sell things in accordance with the Federal Acquisition Regulations and the Defense Regulation Supplement as well.