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Thanks everybody for tuning in live. We appreciate it. Super can't mess this up for Tom. It begins. Whoa. Hold on there, internet. There you go. All right. Here we go. It starts in three, two, one. A miniscule portion of the Daily Tech News show was brought to you by me because I went to patreon.com. And donated a dollar a month to a podcast that I really enjoy. Won't you join me? Hey, look, it's the Daily Tech News show. The Daily Tech News show for Wednesday, June 10th. I'm Scott Johnson. Tom is on assignment today. So today's DTNS is brought to you by the morning stream in a really weird way. Actually kind of a literal way. My name is Scott Johnson. I'm here every Wednesday for the Daily Tech News show, but a guy who has yet to be with me here is a friend who I see all the time on everything else I do. And that's Brian Ibbitt. Hi, Brian. Just about, right? Joined at the podcasting hip. Yeah, can't help it. I can't forget the words podcasting and hip in the same sentence either. Not very often. We are, we're fresh off our own morning show this morning and we are here to ruin everything Tom has established. With one fell swoop. Exactly. But I'm excited to be here and excited to be here with you, man. So should we get to it? Absolutely. Let's go right now. All right. It is the headlines. Let's get started with headlines. One day after Apple announced a new music streaming service called Apple Music. Spotify closed a massive new round of funding. A lot of massives happening. According to the Wall Street Journal, Spotify has raised $526 million from investors and the company is now valued at 8.35, sorry, 8.53 billion dollars. That's with the B. Recode reports. Spotify also announced it has more than 20 million paying subscribers in addition to 55 million active users on the free version. That's up from the 15 million paid subscribers and 60 million total active users. The company reported back in January and we're going to talk a lot more about Spotify and the headlines. I didn't want to say, or after the headlines, I do want to say this real quick though. That is what they were trying to do is get that number to quit being 50 million paid. They're 15 million paid and 60 million free and get it closer to what they have now and that's really good news for them. But we'll talk about those guys later. All right. Microsoft announced pricing today for the Surface Hub. It's giant 4K multi-touch display designed to replace the whiteboard in your super sleek startup conference room. And Gadget reports that the 84 inch version will cost $19,999 and go on sale in July. There'll be a smaller 55 inch version for your smaller conference room for $6,999. Both should ship in early September. Those are really exciting. I think those are super rad. We have to do the discount store pricing system here with the 99 because it sounds like so much less than 20,000, right? It really does. I feel like I can finally afford this. If you saw the Microsoft Surface Hub and thought, well, that's nice and all. What I really want to see is ME. Well, then Microsoft's got you covered. The company unveiled the 55 inch. I think that's me. Oh, me? Then do you want to see me? They unveiled a 55 inch mirrored OLED display as well as a 55 inch transparent display. That's pretty rad. Our technical reports that Samsung anticipates the displays will be used as, quote, digital signal for retail. The mirror OLED panel has more than 75% reflect, excuse me, reflectance level. That's a word that I've never said until today. No, reflectance. No, I've said it too. What Samsung says is, quote, at least 50% higher than mirror LCDs that are currently for sale. The transparent OLED display is more transparent, leading through 40% of the light versus 10% that is common with transparency displays using LCDs. No price was announced. Both displays are paired with Intel's RealSense 3D camera technology, which means someday soon, when you look into the mirror in the dressing room, the mirror will look back at you and it will not be pleased. I want one of these in my bathroom, right? Yeah. Dude, I don't know if I want that in your bathroom. Kopersky Lab has admitted to being hacked. Kopersky Lab CEO, Kasperksky Lab CEO and founder Eugene Kasperksy wrote, we've discovered an advanced attack on our own internal networks. It was complex, stealthy. It exploded several zero-day vulnerabilities and we're quite confident that there's a nation state behind it. The firm called this attack Dooku 2.0, D-U-Q-O-E-Q-U 2.0, named after a specific series of malware called Dooku. Not after the count, I guess. Kasperksy explained the situation as a mix of both good and bad news, but claims none of its services have been compromised. According to The New York Times, the malware was used in a cyber espionage campaign targeting hotels that hosted Iran nuclear negotiations. Wow. That'll mess with you. When you said Dooku, I was thinking Dookie, like the tree in the Zelda games. Or the... Isn't that the one that has the Dookie nuts? Those are Dooku nuts, aren't they? Deku or Dooku? Deku nuts. That's what they are. Okay. It's a Deku tree. You weren't thinking of Count Dooku? No, I wasn't. I try not to think of Count Dooku. His lightsaber was bent. Anyway, the Washington Post reports that Elon Musk's, quote-unquote, other company, SpaceX, guys got like 20 other companies, has asked the U.S. government for permission to test how orbit satellites would emit internet service from space. The plan calls for 4,000 small and cheap satellites that would beam high-speed internet signals all over the globe. There's stuff like that now, but it kind of sucks, which is, I think, why they're doing this. If the tests go well, the full service could be up and running in about five years. Facebook recently scrapped similar plans, maybe because they don't own their own rockets. I don't know. Brian, would you ever consider what would be the catalyst for you switching to a satellite-based internet service? If the satellite or if the internet service that I have goes down, then I would consider. That's basically it, right? If you can't get, you go with whatever you can get that's consistent and to a very close but a second degree, what's inexpensive. So once again, it's always about quality of service, price, availability. I don't care if it grows from a tree in the ground. If it's good, solid internet and it doesn't cost me a fortune, I'll consider it. You're not worried about the reskeys spying on you? No, I'm not worried about the reskeys. Or the Kasperskis. Oh, the Kasperskis. Anyway, yeah. Good luck, internet. That's right. Facebook Messenger has topped one billion with a B, Android downloads, according to PCMag.com. Messenger's David Marcus posted a photo displaying the Google Play Store's one billion download badge with the image likes by colleagues, Mark Zuckerberg and Tom Stockey. Facebook and Google are the only two companies with one billion plus bragging rights. According to TechCrunch, Messenger joins Facebook and WhatsApp, as well as Gmail, YouTube, Google Search, and Google Maps. Nice emphasis on WhatsApp. I'm a big fan of the name Tom Stockey. You should keep that. PCWorld is reporting that Congress is worried that foreign government-owned SSL certificate authority could use phony security certificates to harvest login details from social networks, corporate networks, and email accounts. The U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Energy and Commerce recently sent letters to Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Mozilla with questions about how the backbone of HTTPS, I put too many T's in there, HTTPS, security could be violated. In one example, the certificate authority, Dignitor, is it Dignador? Diginotar. Diginotar. Diginotar. I don't know. I live. That's what Diginotar sounds like. Great. When you walked by the arcade and then Tyson was going. That's the one, yeah. It was hacked in 2011 and hundreds of fraudulent certificates were issued, or sorry, were issues for Google, Skype, and Yahoo. There were numerous government-owned CAs across the globe, including China, France, Spain, and Turkey. I would recommend listeners who maybe listeners or viewers who didn't catch last Wednesday's episode of DTNS when we had on that wonderful professor whose name escapes me because it was hard to pronounce from UCLA. Dig into that some because honestly, as I read this, I realized, wait, she and her group may have the answer to this problem right there. So worth checking out. Go back and check it out. And that does it for the headlines. We did get some news from you, though. Oh, look at this. They're not supposed to play this. There you go. Listen, Tom, if you're listening right now, I got this under control, buddy. Come on, Dan. Keep your text here. Just kidding, he's fine. He's doing just fine. Some news from you. All right. Do you long for a simpler time, Brian? Oh, of course. Who doesn't? All right. Do you, well, do you believe that's even a thing? Hey, a time when toasters flew and you could reveal or excuse me, revel in the simple joys of the randomizer. Oh, who doesn't? Well, these, this item submitted by Nate Bob received a whopping 48 votes on the DTNS subreddit, which is where you can go to submit news from you sensing your need for a return to innocence. Developer Brian Braun. Why is that name familiar? I think I'm thinking of Lloyd Braun from Seinfeld. Serenity now. Thoughtfully recreated every edition, or excuse me, every original after dark screensaver, including the iconic flying toasters. Do you remember those? I do. Does he have the one with the dude who knows his lawn and it, it screens your screen? I would assume so. Yeah. If not doing it wrong there, buddy. The iconic screensaver images are on his GitHub page. The after dark screensaver software launched for the Apple Macintosh in 89 and appeared on Windows computers in 91. And I remember that was a huge deal, because back then you could only get this weirdness on the Mac. And at the time I was like a PC evangelist and kind of flipped. But at the time I thought, ah, we want that. Why can't we have that on PCs? And sure enough we did and it crashed a lot, but I didn't care I had it. There was a year where after dark released a Star Trek trivia question screensaver. That was the year that I got to go to Macworld or one of the years I got to go to Macworld. And that was one of the things I bought. I remember proudly coming back from Macworld with the after dark Star Trek screensaver. Boy, our values sure have evolved over the years. We have. DJ Sikani shared this ARS Technica story covering Verizon's apparent failure to make good on 22 years old promise to Pennsylvania to provide fiber internet or comparable technology supporting at least 45 megabits to its service area in the state. So far more than 2 million homes have either slower DSL or wireless service out of 4.2 million in Verizon service area. The original agreement allowed Verizon to charge higher price phone rates for higher speed broadband. Telecom analyst Bruce Kushnick wrote in the Huffington Post that officials relaxed the requirements over the years giving up on the 45 megabits per second minimum and allowing Verizon to meet the obligation with wireless instead of with fiber or other wireline technology. Well I'd sure wish our speeds were as good as everyone promises but you know sometimes the future's a little weird. Yes. DNS producer Jolly Roger aka Roger Chan. Really one of my favorite people working with Tom to be honest. I love Jenny too. I love them both. Equally and with none more than the other. I just wanted to say nice things to Tom when he gets back. We'd like you to know that Rain Iroh one of the lawyers who I hope I'm saying that right who pioneered the wave of contingent free patent litigation says he's ready to exit the business because quote the standalone patent case is dead on arrival and I don't think we're unique or as technical reports that patent litigation dropped by roughly 20% in 2014 that's great news for a lot of people podcasters included and patent lawsuits by non-practicing litigation in Texas company also known as patent rolls dropped by nearly 25% of these trolls filed about 3700 lawsuits in 2013 and 2800 in 2014. That's a big drop with more judges awarding fees to defendants patent rolling is taken on higher risk in one case Nero and his firm were ordered to pay fees in a patent suit he brought against HTC the parties were still litigating over the amount but HTC is seeking 4.1 million the fee order to make up call quote unquote Nero told the cranes college of business I can take I can take it once twice but I'm going to take it three or four times no why should I all right drop the mic yo not a problem right yeah anyway here's the good thing I want to say about all that this has nothing to do with it I'm making a terrible transition the daily tech news show was nominated in the podcast academy awards which just came out a few minutes ago so congratulations surely they made that nomination before today's episode aired and that's it for this I played that in two places that's fine well deserved so let's talk about this Spotify thing in a little more detail and how it maybe relates may or may not relate to Apple music it's easy for us as common web citizens to see the announcement Apple made the other day which looks like a very big play by Apple to re-wrangle the music industry in a way that they did perhaps with iTunes back in the day doing it in 2015 terms at least that's what they'd like us to believe I still think there's things that are very confusing about it but it does seem to be Apple's big play love them or hate them it's their next big thing right with music and it's easy for us as simple minded folk to see that two days later Spotify is announcing giant acquisition of new money to help back them by investors and also talking about their numbers and how they've increased in numbers and you know kind of showing their bearing their teeth basically it's easy to see all of that as maybe a little conspiratorial that they're now on the defensive that they have to react quickly I'm not so sure a lot of this kind of stuff is in the works for a very long time you know could they have announced this two days before Apple did their thing probably was it better to do it after before it's not like this stuff just came up they didn't wake up on Wednesday morning go oh guys check it out we got that email back looking like we got our money we which we hadn't been working on for any time at all this is something brand new out of the out of the ether spontaneous or it's hard to get the actual story but they raised 526 million dollars amid this battle with Apple and I would argue Spotify in a lot of ways one the fight with all the other because this is like streaming fight number two streaming fight number one was all right Pandora and RDO and everybody else let's let's go and they went fisticuffs and ends up in the end Spotify kind of winning but now they've got this new competition overall how do you feel about well what would be your definition of winning because Pandora's got just under 80 million users while Spotify has 60 million on the free and 15 million paid well yeah you make a good point the problem with with the the problem with all of it is that these guys are making a play to get free people in but ultimately their best service is the paid one as fucking men as actual paid subscribers yeah whereas Pandora has always is always the ad supported free thing do they have a paid they do yeah they have a $5 a month deal with without ads it still doesn't give you full control over the music and their their library according to the article by Wall Street Journal their music library is only 1.5 million songs compared to Spotify's 30 million songs so you could make the argument they won on that on those grounds they think it's really just a matter of them being around longer right and people can hook in and like RDO has been around as long maybe longer I don't have the dates on that but I think it's something like that and why you know they have so much better selection than RDO does I can actually kind of like RDO but they don't have near the selection they do some would say oh that's definitely a win in their category but the losers in the Spotify category or if you want to call it a loss are the artists for the most part do not like Spotify right less per song they're eating less for their work than they have with any other agreements they've had with anybody else so all that great selections fine and all but at what cost in terms of you know the artist and it's also when one lower thing for the artist as well when a con against the artist is that because it's so much songs on demand you don't get as much exposure to stuff that you may like that you don't know about right some bands that you haven't heard before that you get some exposure to so so Spotify you know that one of the reasons that artists probably aren't happy with Spotify is that it's so much on demand and obviously you and I haven't had any experience with Apple Music other than just seeing the same keynote but their music library is supposed to be bigger it's going to be 37 million tracks it I don't know if you get songs on demand like you do with Spotify but their their current radio offerings do the same thing that Pandora does right where you say one song you like and then it gives you recommendations and points each other songs you may like it does seem to be that way the only the confusion so here's the confusing part they got up and said yeah this they weren't real clear on the streaming first of all kind of like we have this huge library it's all your songs you already bought plus all the other stuff we have and I took that to mean well yeah you're going to have a streaming service where it will be maybe some human but also some computer curated lists where I say well I really like 70s classic rock and it's going to play that for me when I wanted to play it for me I assume that that's all true but they were kind of weird about not getting all nitty gritty about how that stuff actually worked instead they spent a bunch of time focused on an actual live 24-hour worldwide radio station right that's based in what was it New York L.A. and London is that yeah which I'm super intrigued about I mean if it sounds just like regular pop radio on would be I can't say I'm going to be surprised because that's if you're going to do one station you're going to do the station that appeals to the the widest audience but it's an interesting play to say we're keeping the human in the in the game by having a radio station play music all day well I don't what music are you playing it what if I don't like everything they're playing in the London time zone and I'm just like well that's dumb I'll go back to just listening to whatever I like right to me this is the most there's less to do a spotify but it's the one thing that they're trying to say separates us from the spotifies of the world because we've got this keys we've got live radio thing you know but then I don't I feels like a gimmick it feels like a thing that isn't actually going to have stuff in it I care about and if it does it'll be sporadic because I can't just skip it's not going to be like I've got a button in front of me that says oh I don't like the song they're playing skip and then the lady in London is going to go up we got to skip from Utah all right get it going guys move that song along doesn't work that way yeah but I kind of like I think that's that's one of the things that radio does have that music streaming services don't is the that human content right being even if you hear somebody say alright that was Taylor Swift and now you're going to hear something from the weekend you know at least you're hearing the voice rather than it just going from track to track so I'm looking forward to hearing what that sounds like well in the face of all of this Pandora is literally facing the music Spotify and Apple being their biggest threats Pandora stock has fallen nearly 6% so far this week and investors they seem to be a little bit nervous that Apple's new music subscription service could steal away Pandora's customers I think that's probably likely that the the spotlights not on Pandora like it used to be and that's unfortunate because I think they've always kind of offered something unique they offered it early they're very early in this whole thing they blazed a lot of trails but like it always ends up being it's like you could say that about the Diamond Rio MP3 player blazed trail that Apple came and swallowed you whole right it happens with all sorts of services and stuff I was thinking about the online game service the other day because I've been lately using the new Nvidia Shield Android TV device which would be as a controller you can stream PC games from any computer in the house and they have their own on live type things so does PS4 with their service with PlayStation Now or PlayStation On whatever I think play PlayStation Now? PlayStation Now right because that's the one that eh HBO Now, HBO Go I can keep track of all these things with Now and Go Now, Go and Plus those are way over Plus, yes right but eh seeing that technology and play is really great and you just think to yourself all those poor guys that are online they were early they came they blazed a trail and they're freaking out of here and I feel like I don't know I feel like Pandora is on that little edge of like oh no you poor guys you're gonna get swallowed whole and it's not just Apple it's the Dominus of Spotify and even other streaming services that are just kind of handing it to them and sometimes that's sort of the way it goes and different reactions though these three companies they've kind of varied nine to five Mac is reporting that there's a few things said like for example let's see right here I'm going to finalize guy RDO had responded to Apple Music in a more formal manner they put out this actual release that says welcome Apple seriously welcome to the most exciting important frontier since digital music revolution began 16 years ago we look forward to responsible competition in the massive effort to make music more available and legal for people to enjoy anytime anywhere because what we are doing is increasing the value of music by enhancing each individual experience with music they love individuals experience rather welcome to the task where they're just going head on like all right let's go well good for them you don't want to you don't want to appear like you're cowering down when a competitor introduces something yeah Rhapsody had some things to say hey guess what Brian Rhapsody still exists one really I I wouldn't put money on that but let real quick here though if we are heading into a new phase of the streaming wars it does feel like that titular time of things are shifting they have been for a while the shifting away from I need to buy downloads store transfer almost it's almost back to the whole physical thing problem again where CDs versus digital now we're just talking about digital that I got to keep versus digital in the cloud that I can just access anytime play a flat rate for I'm personally way into this you're in a weird position as host of coverville and as a right biggest music freaks I know you need to own all that stuff because it's just a different world for you I have to own stacks of CDs like this Scott yeah stacks and stacks of CDs there's no getting around it for you now because I need to be able to a own the stuff that I'm playing and not stream it plus controlling that stuff to do a show like coverville you don't have to rely on streaming you want to have ultimate control of fades and when the song starts this is what will change for you in my opinion give it another 5-10 years I don't know what takes but there will come a point where music will be accessible readily lightning fast and there will be no connection issues because connections will be worked out will finally be over that hump all the time like electricity because you can't make a show without electricity 99.9% of the time your power's up right that's right that is correct it's up all the time and everything we access we won't even think of it as drives and local versus whatever it's just going to be everywhere at once when we need it listen 5-10 years from now there's going to be a streaming station coming from my house actually there are ideas radio.coverville.com but that is kind of that nice plug I like it that wasn't even intentional anyway can apple win the streaming wars our real final question here can Spotify win it I feel like the people with the most money often win these wars or the most innovation in this case you're probably talking about apple with the most money and enough stolen ideas and a little couple things of their own thrown in there that they probably will end up dominating it I think it also depends on the most robust system or the most robust library 30 million to 37 million tracks isn't a huge enough gap that I think one of them you know it's certainly not a contest that apple's running away with just 7 more million songs than Spotify but what could be beneficial for apple is the number of people that use iPhones and number of people that use iTunes to listen to music if their integration means that somebody doesn't have to open a separate application to listen to music something that they're already using then I could see that being a benefit this is the only other thing I would say to that as I agree with you 100% I will add this there is an army of people using apple devices and in that ecosystem alright so you've already got a successful base but there is a another army that uses windows phones that use android phones, that use different services in an ecosystem and that is a bigger combined army even individually in some cases and in that case just like in the early iPod days if you want to get everybody and truly have this be huge huge you've got to be willing to step into the other platforms you just freaking have to I don't think this can stay, it can start but it can't stay an apple only thing if we want to see it really take off otherwise others are going to catch up the Spotify is the world, the Google is the world they're going to figure out other ways to do it so if Apple is smart about this in my opinion they're going to want to make it as good as they can here and then later they need to branch that out and a lot of people say if you used iTunes on windows it's terrible, well I agree it is terrible but they still kind of need it if I were Apple I would call it something else I wouldn't make if I'm branching this out to other other platforms I probably wouldn't make it a subset of iTunes and I would do something where you can get just the Apple music as a standalone but it would have to be an app I can go download it on Android phone and bam I've got my service it doesn't matter where I am it needs to be what Microsoft is actually doing now with most of their apps and services just go multi-platform and try to force everybody down your pipe both should be part of iTunes but then it's something separate for people who want something more compact and individual well we don't even know how much it will have to do with iTunes at this point do we? My gravestone by the way will say quit trying to force me down your pipe I'm thinking of the day brought to us by proud executive producer Gadget Chaser writes in to say I've never sent a pic before but I'd like to suggest a web service app called Keefy a bit spelled K-I-F-I says this it's first and foremost a way to curate the web using a Chrome extension I'm a big fan of Chrome extensions you make libraries for different interests and subjects and then save them to the browser you can add tags and notes that are searchable throughout the web page and extension there is also any gasps GASP social aspect of the service as well you can make your libraries public or private one of my favorite aspects of the Chrome extension is when I visit a new page I get a little pop up in the corner showing me others who have added that site to their library as well I've tried a lot of pocket type services over the years but I found that I'm actually using this one to read it later likely due to the fact that I can organize things by more than just tags I have a private library to go to and catch up and there are easily they easily move can move it from either more permanently public or private library if I want to keep it or just delete it or forget about it it sounds like a Pinterest without the cats, the cupcakes and the crochet you mean all the reasons I don't go to Pinterest the three C's of Pinterest they were prophesied in the great book send your picks to feed back at DailyTeknewShow.com and you can get Tom's picks over there at DailyTeknewShow.com slash picks we got a message of the day sent to us by Hot Branch from Montreal and he says catching up on my backed up episodes of the mention of Facebook light in episode 2508 brought sorry caught my attention because I used to get or used to replace the regular Facebook app and messenger on one of my older phones in my pokey 2012 Nexus 7 tablet I believe I had seen news of the original release of Android police who provide a link to download the APK for side loading the interface is not as polished but it uses far fewer resources than the regular app in a lot of cases it's just fine the messenger app is integrated including further storage savings iconically or ironically rather would be iconic at all I installed Facebook light on my Nexus 5 and found no improvement in the Zuckerbergian experience Zuckerbergian Zuckerbergian other than to have two notifications of comments or the likes that arrive on different intervals the light version usually delivered the notification notifications first all this to save Facebook light is available to those willing to invest 30 seconds in searching in two minutes for downloading and side loading so in other words there is a just fine hackery way to get it done Facebook light people that's right ladies and gentlemen that is our attempt to run DTNS for the day on a Wednesday I had a lot of fun though smooth and easy right Brian of it we should allow you to go first here please tell the fine people listening where all the places you can be found are well the big the big two are coverville.com for the coverville podcast and the upcoming new and improved cover song search this thing at a sneak peek of this is so freaking sweet it's amazing and it's so robust and if you're looking for a song and want to know who has covered it this thing is going to make it so easy and fast fast is the keyword that's going to be coverville.com coming soon and of course frogpans.com the morning stream where you can hear me kind of like you did on this show sitting there laughing and saying absolutely every once in a while to the great stuff that Scott Johnson says you can also hear me on film sac which you can also find there at frogpans.com two other shows that are also nominated yes that's right well deserved too bad we can't go in person we'll be doing Nerdtacular that weekend same weekend yeah so we're going to have to we'll record videos where we accept them accept the awards on behalf we'll have Tom will be there Jenny will be there we'll get lots of video lots of photos very excited we're like 50 days away so get freaking ready I think that's going to do it I want to think oh everybody for checking me out I guess you can go to find me on twitter at Scott Johnson you can find me at frogpans.com everything I got going on is around there about to launch Kickstarter keep your eye on that check out my webcomic myextralife.com and that's it oh one quick note here another wonderful DTNS contributor Veronica Ann Belmont destroyer of worlds she is the host of the brand new Engadget show Ask Veronica it's actually Dear Veronica it was Ask Veronica they changed or did they change it back I better make sure oh gosh no I don't know I don't think they've changed it that's Dear Veronica that's Dear Veronica Dear Veronica is the show you can use the hashtag Veronica on Twitter to ask her questions and we'd love it and you all should add it and check it out not just because she's our friend we'd like it anyway well not just because she can crush us under her her boot heel if she wanted to that's the thing about her it's what I like it's like a great dane they could eat every other dog and person they run into but they don't do sweet animals Veronica could murder me if she wanted maybe if you call her a great dane whoops anyway big thanks to the 5067 patrons that helped make this show possible for Tom and make this show possible at all they have contributors just like me and I'm glad you guys are there with me helping this show be rad I think that's going to probably do it for everybody thank you all for being here email address feedback at dailytechnewshow.com call us 512-59-daily you can listen to the show live at tunin.alphageekradio.com dailytechnewshow.com Alison Sheridan and Todd Whitehead fill in tomorrow see you guys again this show is part of the Frog Pants Network get more at frogpants.com Diamond Club hope you have enjoyed this program scene sweet that was awesome good job guys we had some fun with it and it was snappy it like moved it was one right if I was worried about anything it was that Brian and I are used to a routine in the morning we do an hour and a half every day and it's you're used to how your brain fills out that time and how the rhythm goes and I was worried that a half hour show was going to be hard for us to figure out you really nailed it you really totally got it right on time it's crazy I'm glad people liked it I like to hear the awesome titles that we did created for this later by the way showbot.com I postponed coverville for this number 3 is Caspersk what is it Caspersk got Glafka my personal favorite is toasters fly again which I think is so elegant and simple that I might just that's my favorite that's the one but I will give a special honorable mention to W. Scottis1 for his daily tech news show level simplicity of apple music versus spotify music round one very simple I think we're going to go with toasters fly again do you want this file just as what do you want what did you record it as an AIFF raw so I can make it anything we want you can make it a wave totally fine I'll give you a wave wave to her I'm giving you a wave wave to Jenny this is already going up to the YouTube the video portion explain sorry Bryce it's so weird is that my noise I'm making that sound do you mean Roger do you mean am I going to put it up on the YouTube the way I did most of the days yeah I'll take care of that part because I don't have the video so that's why I'll take care of that part I'm not going anywhere today yesterday's disaster was mostly motivated by the fact that I had no time and it was terrible I have no time yep and I have the notes in the draft docs if you want oh yeah I got to create that I'll do that while Scott's doing the editing that Tom would normally do thank you for doing all the things that Tom would normally do oh it's all good I'm going to put a wave in there the wave will just be called DTNSWave and I'll put it in Dropbox and then I'll send you links catch the DTNSWave catch it there it is DTNS success it's all done how big is that file it is nearly 800 megabytes but we live in a modern era whoa well I'll see you in two hours I can do mp3 if it's better what would you prefer goodnight everybody no one knows how to hear this thing anyway if that things I can totally give you a smaller file could you maybe mp3 that while it's going to my draft the actual problem is probably not your system where you have fast fiber mine is Time Warner Cable if you want to know I'll tell you what I'll do a I'll do an mp3 and I'll do it let's just knock up the sample rate from like 128 to like I'll give you a 256 okay that'll probably get there great quality I'll just pop this in there yeah when you said wave part of me went you should ask her how big those get but then I didn't I don't think our waves get that big I don't know what your waves are like if it's a lossless wave for a half an hour it should be pretty big huge but it's okay I'll just keep my fancy business to myself it's not alright I'm going to kill that and I'm going to move this over and now and now ladies and gentlemen mmp3 that will only be 64 megabytes okay that's about right alright I'm going to drop box link that I'm putting this in slack now you said 800 megabytes my mind immediately went to Will Ferrell's Harry Carey I don't know why he deserves to speak to me I was like wow what the hell that was a big slide that was a big slide hahaha alright you have the file madam thank you very much sir I see it grab it I'll hang on to these files for the next time Tommy need me to do it um on Wednesday oh it still says it's uploading oh it might it should have been there by now I shall be more patient should be any well hey if you guys have things you have to do in lives all that sort of stuff I would encourage you to go live them I'm going to live them like in my last hours my last days I won't be but I'm going to live them like that yeah it's fine no I got a show to do in the morning you kidding me I got news to grab hahaha alright we'll stay out of trouble this has been way fun always and I'll talk to everybody soon see ya so