 So welcome everybody we are here today at executive directors chat we call that ED chat here and this is a chat as a conversation between all of us here. So feel free to either chat with each other in the chat room or you can use the raise your hand option to chat with each other. So today we're going to exploring the use of artificial intelligence in grant writing and I know if you're a nonprofit in here, you need a grant writer or you may be the grant writer so what I want to do is do a little poll as people are coming in and find out. If you're the person who writes the grants for your organization let's see who with the grant writers here. Are you the person who writes a grant for your organization. Ah, wow. Who is most of you. Okay. This is, I knew this was going to be most of you. Okay. Yep. I'm going to share the results and that really is most of you so you may be grant wearing multiple hats being the grant writer being the executive director, been the volunteer coordinator you may be multiple things well. I'm talking about technology here at TechSoup and I know you guys are probably hearing about AI you may be afraid of it. I don't know. I know when I heard about it, I just kind of. Not sure, but then a friend told me that she wrote her whole book using AI like really so I started asking questions that I need answers to and I'm pretty fascinating so I do some grant writing courses and we use AI to write some grants so I just wanted to kind of share this with you and share your experience so today is going to be interactive. I want to show you how you can engage while you're here. Everybody is on mute as you come in your on mute I would love if you would remain on mute. If you have a question. Use the raise your hand option down at the bottom of your screen you see the reactions buttons or you can type it in the Q&A. I would love to hear you come live to share your experience so make sure you share your experience with us. My name is Aretha Simons I'm the webinar producer here and I want to get right into it. It's going to be kind of like, you know, I'm going to share my screen and show you some things that I have learned from using artificial intelligence. I cannot assume that everyone knows what I'm talking about or that everyone has to use AI. So I want to know who currently uses chat GPT. So let me just ask this question I'm going to put it in the poll right here. One second. People is not wanting so do me a favor just type in yes or no. Yes, I currently use chat GPT. No, I currently do not. I'm very curious to see how many people we have here that uses chat GPT already. So wow, almost even, almost even lots, lots of nodes here and some people say a little. Yeah, yes for other reasons. Oh, I'm a pro I love it TJ so TJ I definitely want you to share with us as we get started. So hi Jean how are you I see a lot of faces that I recognize awesome great great to see you all. So what I want to do is share my main screen for for quick second because this is for and I'm sharing this because for people who do not use chat GPT or who have never used chat GPT. And there are other types of. Oh good I'm reading this in the chat. No with a letter published last week from 350 to the world's cop AI scientists says stop using it until there's a place for more rules and regulations. We're going to talk about that, because what they're doing and I hear I'm going to share my screen real quick. I have multiple screens here. One second. My screen is is a yellow screen right somebody wave at me. Awesome. Okay, so this is where you would log in and it's going to say that is open AI comms backslash chat GPT. And so you would click here to log in for anyone who has not done that this is what it looks like, but they've changed the site since I've started using they've changed it several times. So it may look different tomorrow I don't know, but just just know that the website is open AI.com backslash chat GPT so when you log in and what it's going to look like it's going to ask you for email is going to verify it's you. And when you get to this page this is what I want to talk about because we are using a platform that's new to us, but AI artificial intelligence has been around for a long long time. More than 30 years, maybe not in this form because we we just start using computers in our home, not too long ago, but here you can have chat GPT. You can create realistic images and art forms. Incredible. You can integrate open AI models into your application for this so you can even build apps for this, or we're going to do chat GPT, which is interact with our flagship language model in a conversation interface. And I see somebody's on mute it so if you will make sure that you are muted that would be helpful, because I'm trying to multitask here. So here, when you get to this page. This is what we do, you ever get something, a new phone or something you just open the box and just start playing with. We forget to read the instruction so this are these are the instructions right here I don't know if you can see it don't need to make my screen bigger. Okay, make it bigger. Okay, so let me let me multiply this screen. Okay, here it says, this is a free research preview so I'm using the free version here. They are paid versions. It says our goal is to get external feedback in order to improve our systems and make them safer. So they're getting feedback from you as well. Here is a little red light. There's a little warning sign. While we have safeguards in place. The system may occasionally generate incorrect or misleading information and produce offensive and bias content. It is not intended to give advice. I know we're here to get advice, but I'm telling you, it's, it's telling you hey, there's our disclaimer. We may give you wrong information I've seen where a lawyer is now being sued because he used chat GPT to do his legal brief. So there's people who are using it for different things and that you've seen, you've been on our other webinars and seen other webinars about artificial intelligence. It tells you there is a warning that says, hey, we're going to give you good information but don't rely on this don't use it for medical reasons don't use it for legal reasons. So here's the next warning, how we collect data yes they are collecting your data conversation may be reviewed by our AI trainers to improve our systems. So every question that's typed on here. You're probably keeping the questions right it makes sense. Here's a little lock and key. This is very good. Please do not share any sense in your conversations. Very important. This is not not on me. Okay, I'm Darren I'm going to mute you. There we go. This is could be about your volunteers. If you want to write a letter about somebody. You all deal with all types of different nonprofits, sensitive data some domestic violence, all kinds of health organization so just make sure that you're not putting sense of information into your chat GPT sounds like common sense but I promise you, you know, you could do it only. So, here it once again they want your feedback. The system is optimized for a dialogue. So you're talking to, you know, artificial intelligence so let us know in particular what was a response good or helpful. They want to know or unhelpful so they really want to know. So now I'm in here. And again, I've asked questions I'm going to build a house I asked about framing my house what's cost going to be. But if I want to ask questions. Let's let's, first of all, remember to talk about the directions. Let's look at these here is going to give you examples here, explain quantum computing and simple term this is just an example what you're going to what you can ask chat chat GPT, you can say, explain to me, what a grant writer would put in a grant proposal, and it's going to do that for you. You can tell it to remember what you just said in an early conversation. Hey, remember what I asked you in an early conversation. Can you give me more details about funding for Orlando, Florida. So, and here's another kicker may occasionally generate incorrect information so if you are asking chat GPT to give you demographics for your area say you're helping children in the third grade in Orlando, Florida. Make sure you verify that with the school board, you know, on their website that's open information, or, you know, the county that you're in just make sure you verify a lot of the data so I want to get right into it I see there's a question in the chat. Okay, somebody was just saying that they have not used chat GPT. I'm going to go to the chat section. Very good. So, before I get into asking a question. Does anybody want to share, because this is this conversation that anybody want to share, you're going to use the, the raise your hand option, how you use chat GPT. So, Emily says could you share a grant application to chat GPT with the original call for applications to do a comparison and see if you missed elements. Oh, that is a good one. And that's a good question anybody got any. Any comments on that because you know every grant application funder is asking for specific information right. And so if you got a call for applications. If you put that information on there. And, like you said, with the original call for applications to do a comparison see if you missing elements. That would be a good one I wish you had the information so we could put it in here to compare, because that's the biggest thing in grant writing missing those little things, you know, missing that list having that checklist checked off and missing those things so that's a good anybody got any answers to that. Anybody done that. I can speak to my experience with that. Perfect. Thank you. Sorry a bit nervous speaking in front of so many people so pardon me but like I found that I've done that where I gave it the RFP and I gave it the copy. And it was interesting because like it was able to pick up some things that maybe I hadn't thought about. And so you know it was nice to sort of have that extra perspective I guess. At the same time I think that there is this sort of caution, just because the AI is suggesting that you add something it may not necessarily be appropriate for the RFP or appropriate for your strategy. You know, it seems like there's some, you know, your team might have thinking that goes behind the proposal and the AI is kind of blind to that. So that's something to think about. And I've also experienced just to that end kind of like having, having done like having asked for rewrites or things that incorporated feedback to see maybe how it implement those things. And I find that the answers that it give me that it's given me or kind of hollow, you know, kind of missing a human element. So just just some experiences that I've had with that but it does work I just think that it takes thinking it's not automatic. Okay, okay. That's very interesting. Because I wrote an email to a professional I'm not going to say what type of professional it was. And I told chat GPT to make it, you know, better than what I did and what it wrote was like outstanding so I imagine if you may have, if you may thought it was hollow just say chat GPT rewrite this, again and see what it does I don't know so that was that was great feedback. So Gavin and a couple other people asking about putting PDFs. I know in this free version you have to copy the verbiage, and then put it in here, maybe in the paid version which I do not use. You can probably add PDFs anybody got an experience hi Gail welcome and experience with PDFs and making graphics. So Susan asked a great question. And you guys just use the raise your hand option. I'm going to stop share my screen for a moment because I cannot see your hands being raised. Susan asked, where's her question. How much time. Do you lose by two fact checked it versus how much time you save, saving it. Very good question. Um, I imagine the fact checking. It just depends like I mentioned about the demographics. I mean, it may not take you that long to check that. Crystal Jones I see your hand raise. Go ahead and meet yourself. Hi. Hi, hi. So I've been using it for a lot of things. But something that Cameron touched on, and I think several of us in the chat have touched on. Be careful of the facts, especially when starts naming people because I've had this thing. In fact, just yesterday, make up a whole person that did not exist at all. But I've used it in a variety of ways and it's not perfect technology, but like you are. I've used it to write letters. I've used it to write emails. I've used it. I saw someone else say about social media. I spent the whole weekend using it to write my whole month worth of social media posts. And refine them and get me information, but you do have to fact check, especially when it calls out people and statistics. Double check those really quick what I find the fastest way to do that. I like them put that stat in a Google search and either it's going to come back with what the hell are you talking about? Or it's going to come back and confirm it. So it's not, it's not perfect, but I've used it for a lot of things in terms of grant writing. I just started trying to play with this for grant writing because it works so well for letters and social media and all kinds of things. What I did was I fed it a bunch of information that at our website. You know, and just kind of had a conversation with AI first, and then I started feeding it some of the questions from the grant application, but not feeding them cold. Like, you know, how would you apply this to Ash Arts and STEM, you know, and have it take the information I just fed it and feed me back answers. And I've had good results. Some of it has been less than human. And when it does, I'll just tell it, hey, this is great. Can you rewrite that? So basically I treat it like I'm having a conversation with a robot I'm trying to train a really smart robot, but it doesn't know everything. So I treat it like a four year old robot. So it's, it's got the mind of a genius, but you know, sometimes the capabilities of a four year old in some area. So if you approach it that way, it really is a pretty powerful tool, but it's not the end all be all, but it sure has made so far this grant application so much easier for me. Yeah, thank you for that feedback. Hi, you know, you need to treat it like any employee who would be reporting to you. Right. Would you would you quote any employee working for you and assume that they've got every everything correct. I've been using it. First, more context you give it the better it reacts. And I've been using it to generate multiple choice quizzes. I put a link again at 114pm to our website. We've got chat GP T for in the chat bot. But we've also used it to generate multiple choice quizzes and answers now I'm a paraplegic so it's still very tedious for me to copy and paste each thing. I haven't finished yet but I've started playing around with having chat GP T for write the PHP or the JavaScript code for me to do a plug in for WordPress that takes the output of it's like one long paragraph of the questions and answers. And then we'll parse that into the XML file that then I can import into WordPress so I won't have to, won't have to do all the tedious copy and and paste, but it's, you know, it doesn't a couple of seconds what would take me a couple of days. Yeah, nice, nice. Give me one second MCGS I'm going to answer Billy's question. How do you give chat GP T rules other stuff. I see a lot of questions in the chat area so if you can put them now in the Q amp a because we get, we have a lot of people on the section so Billy, you, you give it rules just like you, your question you would give was, you can tell chat GP T. You are a doctor, write me a, you know, a medical letter saying that my child cannot go to school or something like, I don't know, but you have you can tell chat GP T that was a bad example. You can tell chat GP T. Oh, you know what you are you're you're an architect, you know, tell me how much it's going to cost to build a duplex, you can tell it you can give it the rules. So, thank you for that question. Okay. MCGS. I couldn't change my name I'm Linda Morgan Clark. That's an acronym for the genealogy society I was just on a zoom call. But, but I'm with the two nonprofits the genealogy society as well as the community food pantry. And the thing that as far as the food pantries concerns which I do write grants for fundraising letters, thank you letters. I am working in my mind what to do with some reporting that I've got coming up on a couple of grants. The thing that I have learned, however, from the genealogy community and using artificial intelligence and particularly chat GP T is to remember that it's about words and not facts. So it is helping you write good script. And I always ask it for two or three versions of everything that I ask it to do. And then sometimes I can tweak a couple of or merge a couple of them or whatever and make them more human sounding. But it is, it's about words and not facts. Now. I use being a I for facts, because it does do a better job of getting you some good links to check out and verify. So it has to do you need to learn what chat GP T does what being does where it gets its information and that kind of thing so that's what I have done is I've really delved into where it gets where each one of these gets its information. That helps me understand what it's trying to do. That was great. That was great information. And what I want you guys to do you know this is ED chat we chat with each other go on and in the chat room and answer some of these questions for some of your colleagues because we got a lot of questions here. Go ahead user Kelly go ahead and unmute yourself and then I'll get to the Q&A for a second. What I have done in a lot of cases is, I will put in something that I have written and then ask it you know hey identify my main points or find gaps in my right. What are, what are points that I need to develop more and that way I make sure that it retains my voice. Because I do want to make sure that you know I'm still being authentic to myself and to our brand. It's strengthening my writing and not just replacing it necessarily. That was good. If you guys don't want to wait anything. Those two comments were very good. Thank you Kelly I appreciate that. Hi coral. Go ahead and unmute yourself. One of the things I have found to make it easier on us is to not delete all come all conversations. Because as you write more into it it will pull out from the information that you have already provided. And in terms of facts and data and statistics for grant writing. We're supposed to already have that before we sit down to write it. So, for instance I would say, please describe how the funds will help us in XYC utilizing the data that I will help this many people, and this amount of time because of whatever statistics I have, and it will pull it in. If I don't have it, I can then insert the sources myself. Another way that I'm using it as well is for the domestic violence advocates they do social media posts and sometimes they say well I want to say this with this post. I'm going to write a social media post and engaging social media posts include emojis that includes this information like for instance we had one where it was related to swim safety tips for kids and I had all of the list that I had received from the advocate. And then I made my points and expanded of them it had the emojis in there and then it also linked back to our site. Very nice. So it's just a way of, if you delete the information it stops knowing about what you are doing. And the more, the more that you are using the specific terms if you're writing donations, asking for donations for a specific event. It will pull everything that you already told them about the event and then sometimes they add something that you like, oh, I didn't think about that idea I like that idea but let me not add it just now until I can develop it better. And that's how we've been using it and it's is helping us increase our social media press and it helps us with the communication with donate donor supporters and our newsletter as well. So thanks for sharing that. And I want to mention something. She said something really, really key about erasing. I've gone back to check GPT a couple times and what was gone so what I want to recommend you all is when you get an answer that you like or even if you don't like maybe had a power sentence and they're a power word that you never heard of copy and paste the answer that chat GPT gave you in another Word document so you can have it because it could change I mean they could shut down tomorrow so you just never know so I would get in habit of saving everything so what I'm going to do is go to the Q&A for one second Daniel I see your hand Claudia man and ask I see your hand raised give me one man and go to the Q&A and I'll come back to you guys. So Randall said it's impossible to people both using chat GPT for the same grant application could come up with a dental grant proposals. Oh, that's a good one. And I would I would love to find out so if we could test this before the end of the webinar. So somebody put a question in the in the in the Q&A for me that a grant funder would ask and then Randall if you do you have chat GPT open you can unmute yourself. If you have the question and I have questions I'll put it in and let's see if it gives both of us the same answer. So if you put the question in Q&A say this is for Randall and Aretha and just ask us a question. Randall and I both put it in Q&A and see if we come with a chat GPT come up with the same answer so Henry I'm not sure what your question you said how about ethically I'm not sure what you mean by that if you want to rage do your raise your hand options. And I appreciate Jean going in here and ask some questions in here and you guys go free this is our conversation this is just you guys can go in the chat room and answer questions. Have you compared chat GPT versus being versus bar for grant application. Has that been anybody in here have you compared those just put it in the chat area. So I'm going to go to Daniel real quick then you can unmute yourself please. Okay, hello. I just want to reiterate what in CGS I forgot what you're what it stands for but we break out into but if you want to find information do not use chat GPT I will recommend using part being you know anything that will give you a reference. First of all and or use the or use the plugin if you have the plus version and second, going back to somebody asking chat GPT to fact check or the things that you wrote written you have written whether if you have missed anything. I would always always ask tragedy, say if you say okay, did I mention some. Did you mention, say the stats specific stat always asked chat chat to fact check the cell. It's a learning chat box so it's really good at learning for its own mistakes. So always ask it and ask it to reference the direct the exact paragraphs that perhaps that you're looking for so that you can. So that's so you know for sure. Yeah, that's that's all I have to add. Awesome. Thank you. And for those of you who are just joining us this is being recorded we're going to send the video replay probably later today, or early in the morning. Because I know there were questions that were asked that were already answered so you'll be able to hear those as well. Claudia, you can go ahead and unmute yourself. Hi, thank you. I'm Claudia from Latin advocacy network so we provide immigration legal services and for us was like kind of very difficult to start because we were very sensitive with information and it's very, very important that we learn to try to try charge it as a tool and just keep in mind that is just a tool just like Google just like whatever you have to just check information for us was very, very useful for as people said to write better emails better letters, but also I started for example to look for very specific grants like which is the best grant in California in this area for pain offices space like something like that and I got like really good results and like all the information was very useful. I also use it for the agenda for meetings. And also if I have a plan like a project, I also use it to have like a map of how to how to develop my project and gives me a lot of ideas about it. And let me check what else something that I found is like when I asked statistics one like numbers. I got information which sound very interesting but then when I asked like, which is your source, and it just, it just referred me to this big nonprofits and this report that has like 300 pages so I, I was thinking, yeah there is no way I will use that because it's time to read all of these 300 pages and I'm not sure so you have the feeling when it's something that it's not really something that you will use. And yeah, I would just say keep in mind is just a tool do not share sensitive information I never ever put names of people or I don't know like something like more specific about the organization I try not, you know, just not share that. And I think that's it. Awesome thank you so much. Aretha I think you muted yourself. Yeah, man go ahead man. Okay, so I'm not real I don't really use the chat box but just now and then it wasn't for a grant but it was for just a social media post. And I'm suicide prevention and drug overdose, and I have this event that I'm taking out military and their families over the weekend and so what we are doing is giving away free Narcan and free gun locks. So, we're paddle for suicide prevention so that's the other thing we take out group therapy on the water with paddle board that holds seven people but get going to what my post was here we're I'm offering to give away the free gun locks and the chat end up really like coming up with an analogy of what I wanted to say but it also like one of them to surrender their guns. And I was like, well, I was really kind of taken back by that because it literally went down that path and I'm like well I'm giving them free gun locks I'm not asking them to surrender their their guns. I kind of worried about that because I have heard that behind it when people are looking at you whoever's running all the chat box they can be, you got to be careful if they're politically driven. And so that was kind of like a red flag and I was just and I rewarded it because I'm like well that's certainly not what I'm asking here. And then once I reworded the question like you said, you know it gave me something that I would post and that we were actually doing, but it did kind of scare me why that went in that direction. And then someone else that I know she trains animals she's part of the family she's the daughter of the Barnum and Bailey's circus, the ringley circus here in Florida and they she wrote something in the chat box and it was something with animal training that all of a sudden these animal rights activists like type of answer came through. And she was kind of like a heads up for her a little bit too. So, I think we do have to worry about who is actually monitoring and who's on the other side because if it is politically driven that's the last thing that we want to see. Yeah, this is so, so good. Thank you so much for that. And that's why I wanted to do this executive director's chat so we can see each other space here each other boys here are experiences share your, your wins your those points that you just made man about paying attention to those kind of things that's very interesting. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Ash, Ash arts. Go ahead and unmute yourself. That's actually crystal again I had to log in from my personal computer I was on my work computer before. I just wanted to say that one of the other things that I have done is, you know, because I'm seeing in the chat, you know, barred versus chat GPT versus other tools and to be honest, I think a lot of these are using some of the same engines and ai underneath. So don't assume that because it's got a different window dressing. It's a different tool. What I have been doing is using both chat GPT side by side to barred. And I truly believe that barred is using chat GPT engine or some of it, because some of the information is coming back is the same but don't be afraid to correct the AI. I've had it make up whole people and I just went right back into the chat and said there's no such person as this person, and it's come back right away and said, oh yeah you're right sorry I'm just a chat box and I'm just learning, and literally it's done that. I got the fact check pretty much everything that it comes out with numbers in regards to people. But as you start doing these correcting and slapping it on its hand. It gets better and never delete any of your history because it uses that history someone else just pointed this out to remember and refine the data that it gives you so it gets better as the more you use it but try feeding it facts first before you start asking it questions. Yeah, that was so so good. Thank you guys so much. I was on mute. I'm glad I was because I just laughed because I too have seen a chat GPT said I don't know how people feel I'm just a chat I'm just artificial intelligence so it does say funny things to me it's not funny but it was funny at the time you know so that was good thank you for sharing that It is funny. It is funny I giggled. Yeah, I'm really real so don't believe nothing I'd say, but so I want to get back to using it for grant writing. For you all who all of you need grants that's you know how you sustain yourself through and a grant doesn't always mean mean writing it could just mean you know conversation assets right for a donation is a contribution but for you who are using it to ask for contributions. Again, just keep in mind. Put some put some facts in there if don't say tell me how to do a fundraiser. It's going to give you anything you need to be specific you need to say, I want to do a fundraiser I want to do it at the, you know, Rosen hotel, and is going to see the thousand people you You have to give it data and feed it information so I really appreciate everybody's point. I'm going to go back to the Q&A section because there are some I know I did not answer. Jim you I hope I'm saying your name right it's jai you can we use chat to be teach override the AI generated content. So chat to be T is artificial intelligence so I don't know when you say to override the AI generated content and you may want to come online and ask that. And, and this is your somebody is requesting to record this locally so. Sorry, we're going to send the recording out go ahead I see you go ahead and unmute yourself to me as I say your name I help I'm sorry if I'm missing it wrong. Go ahead and unmute yourself. You still mute it. If you're speaking. Yes. Okay. I can barely hear you, but we know you're there. Clearly. Yes, yes. Yeah, my name is Jeremy you get this correct my name is Jeremy. Okay. So the question I'm asking is like just a question about it is like, you know, a lot of organization, maybe let's say as a freelancer. Maybe. And a lot of people do not support your application. So the question is like. It can. Like, so that the, any other he had to kind of be the, cannot take the content. Okay, I got part of the question to anybody your phone was breaking up your sound breaking up so I'm not sure if anybody got most of his question. Maybe try to type it in the chat again. Sorry about that. No problem. No problem. So someone asked about images to chat GPT do images. Yes. At the beginning of it, I showed you where you could either have a conversation or you can click on the link that says, you know, create images so it does create images for you all so hopefully that helps anybody else have any questions or comments I would love to do an example for you all so I'm going to ask a question but no one put it in the chat what question you wanted both of us to look at. Go ahead and ask arts go ahead and unmute yourself. It's just gonna say one thing. And so I put it in the chat but I'll say it here too. So for organizations that deal with persons of color like ash arts and stem. Some of the information this has been talked about on social media and other places as well. The chat a eyes are still learning how to deal with people of color terminology surrounding people of color so yesterday I asked it to give me the names of BIPOC persons in arts and stem who had overcome adversity in their career and gave me back a bunch of names. And it started giving me pictures and it started giving me pictures because I started asking it to give me images. So it started giving me images every time it gave me names. And three of the names were indeed people who'd overcome adversity and arts and stem but they weren't BIPOC people. One of them was a made up name Kim when with a picture to go with it that wasn't it was a Kim when but she's not what they said she was. She real names I'd never heard of and so they were good people that I could use for my social media posts. What I did though is I went right back and I said you know and I named the three people. This is a Caucasian person they are not BIPOC this is a Caucasian person they are not BIPOC and it immediately apologized and you know I know that it takes that information in so it won't spit that information back out again. So you kind of have to correct it when it does it but do be aware that not only does it make up people it doesn't seem to understand terminology like persons of color black Caucasian BIPOC it just you know you have to kind of teach it those term and terminology so it understands how to get back the information you need. Very good thank you so much. And so an anonymous show I'll come back to you in a moment and I'm so tight so what does this mean for us who make a living writing. I understand the excitement for all those who aren't writers but we've spent years perfecting our skill set and I'm going to tell you from experience because I was a grant writer for HUD United Way. City of Orlando, and I was also a grant reviewer I think that this tool can help you save time because if you're a grant writer, you know, doing the research is it takes hours doing research, and you might have copies of your grants in different places or on your computer, but I'm telling you this will speed up your process, because I've already used it and it's definitely made a difference so I think use it to your advantage I don't think it's going to. You're not going to lose your job. I think it can only enhance if you use it to enhance your skill you don't have to use at all, and don't think that you know. People who have nonprofits are going to use chat tbt to to write their grants for them is still a grant writing is still a skill set that you have to have you have to know, you know, just a lot. I can go on and on about, I'm going to let Cheryl answer her, ask her question go ahead Cheryl you can unmute yourself. Thanks for taking my question. I just had because I couldn't access the q amp a. My question was just about how at universities now in Canada I'm not sure about in the states but in Canada that we have a lot of AI detection. So, my question is, when it comes to using any type of chat AI or anything like that any AI. What type of. Well, I, I guess my concern is, are there any grant organizations now that have the type of AI that universities use to detect that you're not writing at 100% from your organization if that makes sense. Well, what I want to say is, I don't think that chat tbt can can write for your organization 100% because there's hundreds of you on here and if you if you all served the homeless, your grants will still be different because it's for your demographic is for your your zip code. So there are things that are specific just to your organization. So don't think that it's going to be like, Oh, this is a copy of theirs because it can't be identical. You know, you may have a power word or power sentence in there, but I don't think it's going to be identical. That's just my opinion anybody else got any thoughts on that. Because it's happening also with an HR right where people are using AI to write their, their cover letters, and also their resumes and they're getting, of course, getting picked up by these by smart technology with companies so my concern is really that if you use it yes you can tweak it to your own, but how smart is on the other side or is their AI going to be to be able to say okay well they didn't write most of this, and just kind of weed out applications that way. That's a question that we may ask some funders to come on and answer that because that's a great question. I want to see if are there any funders on here I know a lot of others who are on our webinars who give out grants. Usually Lisa's here. Is this my Lisa. I don't know if it's the same Lisa go ahead and unmute yourself. I don't think I don't think I'm the year Lisa. I'm, I'm, I can just have a couple of broad I guess philosophical questions that can follow on with Cheryl was just saying, I, my question in the Q amp a was yeah, or is there a place we can go to actually read about how funders are moving to the AI generated proposals and you know what I'm sure there's conversations about it you know going on behind closed doors I just wondered what, you know what they were thinking, and I work for a nonprofit news organization and we specialize in investigative news for North Carolina, and I guess I'm concerned as Cheryl may be alluded to that that our readers may be skeptical if you know if we're using a I to help even our journalists, you know gather data. So not necessarily writing stories but you know gathering the data and things that we've talked about so far in this webinar, but I'm worried about the perception I guess I'm concerned about the perception coming from readers and funders and donors and, but I'll stop there it's more more more philosophical questions if anybody has run into that. That question though, and that's something when you close or when you leave this webinar you're going to get a survey and it take you a minute to fill it out I would love you guys to put on there that you want to hear from from some funders that may be reviewing this or so I would love to hear more about that. Jen, is it Jean or Jen. Okay, and, and I used to work for a funder and at the time what we really leaned into and was a small community foundation, we really leaned into understanding who that organization was so if it sounds fake to the writer, it might sound fake to the funder. So as a grant writer make sure you're not you know just sounding really authentic about your organization. And that's kind of where we largely geared our granting towards we weren't really super picky about punctuation and all that stuff because we knew a lot of the smaller nonprofits didn't necessarily have the ability to hire a professional grant writer. I can just see this as something being very beneficial because we did have a number of English a second language organizations applying and they had trouble finding the words. And we always constantly had to keep reminding our reviewers that we're not checking grammar. So we are going after what the causes, are they able to do the project they say they do, and to meet the missions that we want to meet. And that's what it boiled down to in the foundation world for us anyway smaller foundation so very good. Thank you. I appreciate that. So, um, Joe, Joe Han I hope I'm pronouncing name right you put a question in the chat you wanted me to put this in chat GPT. The question was, I'm not going to read the question because it's a math question but I put it in chat GPT and chat GPT gave me an answer I'm going to show it in a moment, but Gavin said can you please do an example of how chat GPT will help with it. In the aspect of writing a grant. So, um, your question is a little vague I wish it was vague to me may not be vague to you. I wish you would come on and like ask me a question or put it come yeah come live and ask me a specific question to ask chat GPT but I can put that in the chat and see what it says. How can you help me with an aspect of grant writing I can ask chat GPT that but while I'm while I'm waiting for you to come on and I see your hand. I'm going to ask just one second. I'm going to share. You see the answer about the math question you ask. So the question was I have a circle with a diameter of three millimeter. How do you calculate the length of the court so this is what it gave me, this is the answer that it gave me. I don't know if it was right or not, but that's the answer to gave me for the time for the sake of time I'm not going to try to look it up. And plus, I did very bad and mad. So, I don't think we're seeing your screen. Oh you're not. Are you seeing any screen at all. It was black. It's just dark. I wonder if that's chat to be doing that one second. Hold on one second. I'm trying to do that. Go ahead and ask and ask your question. Oh, I was going to say I see a lot of people worried about or expressing concerns about AI, you know, being inauthentic people using it, you know, to write their entire grant and you know, using it for filling a job applications and all kinds of things the truth of the matter is, I've used a number of AI services. And at the end of the day, it has to has to work with the inputs you provide. So the data that it puts out is based on the data you put in. And if you're not giving it any information you just take what it says, you know, on face value without, you know, vetting it without refining it, then yes you're going to get all those things that you're worried about are going to come out of AI. It's a tool it is not meant to be taken verbatim. If it comes out like I just typed in to Bard, you know, what is ash arts and stem because I want to see what it came back with and surprisingly except for one small fact. It came back with the information I have been teaching it for the last two weeks about what's the response when people ask what is ash arts and stem and it's exactly the answer I would want to give. And the long form answer. So it's only as good as the input you provided and you're not obligated to take what it pulls out and use it verbatim and anyone who's doing that you're going to find you're going to get less than desirable results anyway. You're just going to take and accept what it says and just copy and paste it wholesale without vetting it without, you know, refining it. Then yeah you're going to get some of these fake results that you know are meaningless and even in the job search because I am looking for a job right now. If it writes a cover letter. It's only writing a cover letter based on the information I've provided it about me. And I have to vet that letter and say does this ring true is this sounding like my voice is this something I would write, and I don't have to accept it wholesale. I can, I can refine it so it feels like my voice. Very good. Thanks for sharing that. And I want to say, I see a lot of comments in the chat somebody's like, we should stop right now before this all gets out of hand. I totally get it. I was not with with chat GBT until a friend, you know show me that she accomplished a lot. And so I was like okay let me just try it and then I could not stop using it. It's just like the phone when we when we first got our phones and our homes. I don't know if you remember but we only had we had an upstairs downstairs, and we would have to run upstairs downstairs to answer our phone now we carry our phones with us everywhere we can't live without it and so I think artificial intelligence is not going anywhere. And, you know, you know, get with the program I don't know. It's not going to they've been using it, but I think they're allowing us to use it. And for whatever reason, I don't I don't want to get into it. This is a conversation that we're having this is not TechSoup trying to convince you we don't have it on our platform to offer it to you. This is just a conversation for executive directors to talk about how you use it for your advantage and I appreciate all the comments that you've shared and all the feedback that you've shared with each other. So I want to answer your question that I'm going to do one demo for the gentleman that asked for demo, go ahead unmute yourself coral. I just wanted to point out, Dr. Ron posted an example of how our funders reacting to grant proposals or use AI on the chat. The same question on my chat GPT and they completely gave me a different answer to what he received. And he broke it down in the way that I write in the way that I feed at the information and it goes back to what you were saying we cannot take it at hand we have to go back through it. We had to tell it this, we had to take the information and edit it as well is the same as reading a news article you read it and then you said I want to learn more so you go to a different source to see what they're telling you about. So, same questions to completely different answers, because it's based on what I had fed it what I wanted to see and what I wanted to sound like I do a lot of give me a tone of engagement and give me a tone of friendliness give me a tone of positive attitude to try to get my, my information across and that's what it feeds to me and is similar to how I write in in real life without it's it's assistance so just wanted to say that for everyone. Thank you so much I was trying to answer questions in the chat in the Q amp a. So what I'm going to do I'm going to try to share my screen for the last five minutes and see if we can get some questions answered and make sure that you guys can see my screen one second, the right screen that is. share. Can you see the screen this is chat GPT. Yes. Thank you awesome. So, um, the other question I'm not sure what answer you got this was the math question I may not have asked it right. I asked it says here's how you do it Oh so it didn't give me the answer it tells me how to do it so we're going to go ahead and pass that since we're talking about grant writing. I just wanted to entertain your question, but someone asked how can chat GPT help me write a grant so I said, how can you help me write a grant I'm going to say this, you guys can type something in the chat you want me to put it in here. This says, I'm happy to assist you. I always imagine what the voice would sound like. But as you can see, it just kind of gives you that but then if you want to be specific, and I'm going to ask it something else it's still talking it's still going on and on and on as you see this little dots right here going. This is still writing is telling you the project plan budget. This is something that somebody was asking about being a grant writer or how do they help with the grants. Something you can give to your, your people who want you to write a grant so that's the look in grant writing. So I want to say, I have a. I'm just going to put this here. And I probably spelled it wrong because I can't see my screen one second. Yeah, oh yeah I did definitely spell that wrong. And I'm going to put a city I'm going to say, um, I'll put a dollar sign in here rehabbing. I'm not just that spell that right. I'm making stuff up. So let's just see what it says, while you're doing that I'm going to check the chat. Oh, somebody. Okay. So basically wrote a letter for me. You guys see it. I like this. And you don't have to use it word for word so you know the grant writer saying I wouldn't copy this and put it I would make it my own I would add some more things in here. The primary objective I like this. I love that I love just that sentence right there I love that but if you want to add some more why you're doing it. So here it is a project impact. And back to the question how's how is it going to affect us. It did that in a minute. I could not think this fast. So you see, it has is advantages and I want you guys to use it for your event oh it even talked about the project plan. I didn't think about that, because people want to know when you're writing grant what are you going to use their money for what are you going to use that investment for, and here's a breakdown doesn't have any, any breakdown of the numbers yet, because I haven't scroll down. Here's a but boom there it is sorry. It beat me to it. But there you go. The prompt again. Huh. What was your prompt. I'm going to go back to it I'm just want to just see I think. Yeah. Okay, so my prompt was I'm scrolling up. I have a homeless shelter in Arcadia Florida can you help me write a grant ask for $100,000 for rehabbing a home that was donated. So that was my prompt. So that was that was the example. Thank you guys. Lots more questions in a Q&A. And we're almost out of time if would you like to do this again put a, put a yes or no in the chat. And we can be more specific in what this chat would be about. We could do it next month, or the end of this month, if you want, but put that on the survey that you thought so all yeses all yeses awesome we can definitely do that. So you know what you guys can do on your survey. If you want to have me ask a question on the on the chat be GBT put that on the survey as well. So, can we do one coming up with good prompts for chat. Yeah, I like that Kelly can you please put that on your survey, or I'm going to put my email in here guys, even better yet because I may get 200 surveys. So there's my email. And also, if you guys, I don't look like I like to talk but I don't. So if you guys want to come on and be the, you know, be the, what do I call it, not the host the, I don't know the guest speaker. Please let me know so there's my email. I want to thank you all for your comments. Thank you so much for your thoughtful, impactful, enlightening. Conceal you can see your email please. You can't see my email I put in the chat but it's a text. Okay, a Simon's at TechSoup. Guys, thank you so much ladies and gentlemen thank you so much for being here today I want to give you back your two minutes of time. It's a zoom thing. I cannot save it. If I were we use this on an open platform. What I'm going to do I don't even know how to send this to you we use slide share for our open platform for sharing because I can't send this to everybody because not everybody wants that information sent out to everybody on the chat. So, if you want the chat, email me, and I will email you the chat, please. On the bottom of the chat screen where the three dots are if you right click on that it'll tell you. It does not it does not work unless you're the admin. Yeah, okay. It does not always work so even I'll put my email in there a Simon's at TechSoup please email me if you want the chat because there was a lot of good questions and comments in the chat. Again, thank you all for your time. Miss Jean I hope you stayed on for the whole time. Thank you guys have a great day. Bye everybody. Saving the chat for me. Oh good. Thanks for letting me know. So that worked for you. That's good. Awesome. Bye guys.