 Here we go. Okay, we're live. All right Let's see here, I'm gonna test the Scenes here. So I got no cam is working fine. I don't have that really weird terminal off to the side anymore No, there's me. There's Steve and there's Josh even though those are mixed around it doesn't really matter and the patreon is good Okay And I for those of you guys who are watching I'm aware that none of us are appropriately aligned Obvious fine have made his made it really hard. So Yeah, I actually rolled back obias back to 20 All right, or 20 dot zero red and 20 dot one. I don't know One feature that get a guy rid of that feature on Yami pixels that away you know the distance between the screens edges and it just It's just that was such a good feature All right, I think yeah, normally we test the audio, but this time I don't care you guys can't hear us I'm sure somebody will let us know Yeah, uh, let's see here, I think We're gonna just go ahead and jump right on in to be honest with you I'm gonna hit record no not yet. Oh not yet. Okay. Okay. I will stop recording I'll let you know I'll let you know when we're gonna start. I'll let you know. I just got to make sure with my phone is on violent And it is okay Let me go to audacity. All right, so I'm gonna have a record in audacity. I'm gonna hit record in OBS you guys can't record now as well All right, recording. Hey, I see waveforms means it's working tap tap. Yeah, that's a good idea. Okay Somebody's got their their volume way up and just heard us bang on the mic. Oh I'm sorry. I can punch the mic if you want me to now. Don't do that. Oh, okay. It's probably not something over All right, Steve You can do the claps when you feel like it now Tyler's on a secret mission today. He's not joining us All right on the count of three three two one That was horrendous I'm pretty sure Steve was coming to four in his head. He made it to four and then he said, oh, right. I have to clap We're really bad at that. Oh the wind to it from two weeks ago wasn't actually that bad Um, maybe maybe it's perfect. It's just Steve's internet slowing him down. Could be they never know. It's fine Um, the three weeks ago for whatever reason halfway through Josh went out of sync and no clue why He was like, I think I figured out why because for some reason My system ran an automatic update which re-enabled pulse audio So I literally changed sound servers in the background during last week's episode. That's awesome That shouldn't even really be possible, right? Should it? Because it is possible. It is possible. It happened for me If you forget if you forget to mask the system deservice for the pulse audio socket, then it can happen Oh, you were running gen two No, I was actually running. I was not running gen two was that soulless. I think Yeah, it was soulless It happens sometimes Well because it should an update shouldn't be able to kill a running process Oh, trust me start one It depends on your package manager It depends on a package manager not only now on your archmage distributions pacman doesn't automatically restart services, but you know distributions like you know that use D package or apt they they research system deservices and and restart restart running processes that aren't listed as critical And uh or distros who forgot to include the correct packages like zero linux and the right or that Right services enabled that should definitely not be even possible That should be that shouldn't be even a feature No, well it happened to me I forgot lip pipe wire and I forgot to add the user to real-time group by not adding the user to To the real-time group Every time there's an update to pipe wire if it runs in the background it restarts pipe wire But since the user is not in the real-time group. It doesn't remember the setting That's That really should not be possible It was possible because I did No, no, no, no, I mean I'm not just I'm not saying that it's not possible I'm just saying it really shouldn't be possible Like that's something that they should fix because Think about it. Think about some of the services that run in your system that have to stay up from running I mean, what if it kill kills something that is like an xorg service or something or kwin or I mean So in in the devian base, uh, there is actually a file in your etsy apt folder That actually manages all the services that the that apt will absolutely refuse to restart and in fact It will prompt you going like hey, would you like to restart these services? I'm sure you might have seen that before and the audio server isn't What listed there? It's listed it or I don't think it's listed on devian and I think ubuntu does list it But how long has it been since I ran ubuntu? I don't really know that's your next challenge And and another and another thing on on kd is not my next challenge because uh tomorrow I'm looking at clear linux Is that is that the intel the intel developed one? Yeah, and you know who happens who here happens to have a full intel system that supports every every single thing that they That they say that I need for the distro My mommy All right gents. Let's go ahead and get started. Um, we're recording. We're gonna we're gonna guys welcome to this engine cast No We're not gonna have any tangents. We've never had any of those I don't know what you're talking about Oh, all right. All right. I'll get me started on package managers then Yeah, all right Me then josh and steve, okay Okay, we clarified we clarified it this week. Make sure everybody heard me this time. I think I think someone talked to me last time all right Steve you're last Hey, everybody. Welcome to linux cast. I'm yours matt And i'm josh I'm dark zero uh steve. Yeah, that he's that guy. Uh, tyler is off this week. So we're we're gonna run with just three of us Uh, this is got a boo boo on his armoo. Yeah, I'm not sure what he actually did. He never explained his uh I'm sure it was from kind of some kind of escapade. Um, it's from it's from his last secret mission That's what it is. All right. So this is a linux cast. We talk about linuxy things. That's what we do Uh, sometimes we do just like a regular topic, but this week we're going to go back to normal We're going to talk about some news and we have news. So before we jump into that We always talk about the things that we have been doing in the linux land So josh, why don't you tell us what you've been doing? In open source this week Uh, so we push some contributions of bug reports to kde their bug tracker is toxic like usual I'm sure steve, uh, who very recently reported a bug earlier this week Completely understands every single pain with it with the uh bugzilla bug tracker that kde uses fantastic piece of software Works perfectly fine every time as soon as you know as soon as you learn how to use it Uh, I I got solo steps pissed off at me yet again and this time i'm not banned And then uh other than that we've been ripping blue rays again because uh, we act because you know In our last hardware failure. I didn't realize that it impacted my my video library You haven't you had to re re burn all of your I'm re ripping. Uh, we're on disc 17 of 30 Sounds like a fantastic time. I'm telling you So we just download thankfully thankfully there's a docker container that automates it Of course there is there's a docker container for everything. Um, all right steve What have you been up to this week? Where shall I begin? The beginning or from the middle of the end All right Well, the thing that that the thing that involved the linux. There was some pretty big news coming from your front earlier this week Yes, there's a there's a small fire. Uh, that lit up in zero land Uh, but an understandable one. That's why I want to buy I want your your guys's opinion. I'm gonna keep it short Since we're pressed for for time Uh, but there's a fire in the who shall we trust land? Should we trust zero linux or shouldn't we? Uh, and I had a four hour audio debate yesterday with One on my server all about this issue the security issue Regarding the security issue in zero linux What do you guys think should We include should users who download a distro blindly trust it or they should Uh, I don't know study it before before they use it or whatever because Uh, we've been we have we have someone who's in uh in in the security who's very security conscious Uh, that's worried about the tkg First that we include for nvidia It's a whole debate but suffice it to say that Wait, those developers act if they don't instill trust I still opted to use their their shit But you so what nvidia packages are you using? kg ones the patch tkg patch one uh If you type tkg nvidia dash all tkg you will find it but Uh, there's there's uh, uh a thing going on that they don't describe their commits They don't tell us what they're doing. They they expect us to read commits those 10 billion commits to understand what they're doing every every day Uh, should we trust them? Should we not? The only thing, uh, but other than that in the little the next land, uh, I've been heavily Uh, uh, studying cosmic desktop and I discovered by studying it. I discovered that it's coming to arch So, um, with that being said Make zero That's what I've been doing. Okay. I see that they're not tagging releases They're not they're not doing it correctly, but It's a whole mess That's all I can say Okay, so my thought on the the whole trusting of the random distro things that give you if If you're only going to download Distributions that you quote-unquote trust because of Regions the only distro you probably ever install would be like fedora or something like because they're completely You know anti proprietary stuff, right? Um, or maybe like geeks or one of the other librae Linux kernel using distributions, I guess, but then how can you trust those developers? I mean trust on the internet is really I mean, how can you trust anybody? um But I mean If you're so privacy and security conscious That you won't trust a random one. Are you really going to trust a corporate back distribution as well? I mean, maybe you should Matt, I love you for ringing. Maybe you should just move to the woods and Um, not have any electricity and just sit there and read books But then how can you possibly trust the books? um You know because books have information that it could be biased, you know So you can't read books You can't do anything. You're just going to sit there in your woods with some fire Um, thank you because I found the repository and I pulled it in Uh, I don't see any tag releases. So I pulled so I pulled down a lot of tags They do have they do have a lot of tags, but they named them by kernel name or kernel version or whatever but thank you matt because Uh, even can you trust nvidia itself? because nvidia now is including A lot of telemetry crap in their drivers for windows and who knows maybe for linux as well Uh, what the tkg team are doing are is removing this telemetry and optimizing the drivers and fixing issues that nvidia themselves won't like, uh, Vuxury does with weyland I trust it and glorious agro is using it in in no is using some of their patches in their in his In his distro and That doesn't mean He is higher than me. He knows low level stuff If it's just that one package set that that person was worried about it's really easy to switch to a different Driver, I mean you could go to an open source driver Use nuvo or whatever the hell it's called. You could do that Use the the vanilla drivers from the arch repository and he and and they, uh, asked me to uh For example to add an option in my tool to okay vanilla or tkg Add more confusion to use. I have an easier solution for you steve Just force force them to read and accept the package build It's arch linux They can figure it out. I that I told them I told them read the commits and everything. He's like i'm not gonna waste time Well, then he shouldn't be using arch linux Yeah, I can't I can't I can't It's it's a whole debate But it's like this debate that I got in got with got in with a guy over in a discord chat of all places Where he's just like, uh, I don't want it. I don't want to use it because privacy concerns like well, then get the fuck off of discord Yeah, exactly I I use discord through a vpn connected to a virtual machine connected via via Brave browser tour connection doesn't matter because I'm still logging into my https discord That's that encrypts and verifies against my local machine Well, speaking of browsers, this is a very small tangent. I'm back on fivaldi because fivaldi is on ios I'm so happy and i'm still on firefox I want the voli'd would be good But it's not Okay, so ios. It's super good. It has this bug So the one of the my favorite feature of the new vivaldi is the workspaces feature It's fantastic right allows me to have all my tabs open It's like I'll you'd have tab groups instead of basically a much larger tab group. It's great But for somewhat reason when I sign in to vivaldi using the voli account it automatically Starts not remembering the workspaces. I could just crimp everything into one and it's a horrendous bug I close tabs lame Talk to them. Don't worry. I know the people over there I file the bug report, but I don't think it'll ever get fixed because I've seen several people have the same problem So I don't know talk to them. I'm your liaison. I'm your liaison I'm using vivaldi right now in my vm, but I haven't signed in so that I can't so the bug doesn't affect me Um, but if you don't sign in, of course, you can't sink anything of course, but it doesn't really matter All right anyways, uh for me personally I have been so I decided that I was missing a challenge So I decided to challenge myself to abandon vm Or in my case neovim and start using nano and I I was at least smart enough to say a month and not six months I'm so glad that he didn't say six months. That would have been a nightmare So I've been using it now for I think five days. I think that today's like day five something like that And wow is nano shit It's so bad. Um, the default key bindings are garbage like hot garbage So I've changed all those I've spent days Making it so that it's actually works out well, but the thing is So and clicking on links I just found out today is apparently impossible for me I don't I don't know why just well now let me click on links I know control click is supposed to do it, but it just has something about tags not being available or whatever So that didn't work. Um, but the thing I'm missing most is visual mode like I I didn't even realize that I used visual mode and vm so often But apparently I did and now every time I want to select multiple lines inside of nano like apparently You can't do that without your mouse you know, like What is this? Do I live in a cave? Why am I using a mouse? It's it's so it's so it's ridiculous because you're a human you use a mouse No, I'm a vm user. I don't use a mouse In fact, I've completely disabled my mouse inside of the vm my vm config so um also also I haven't used the arrow keys this much in probably six years um Like like I gotta do one of my keyboards doesn't even have arrow keys and So so every time I have to use a you go down a level now. I have to switch to a function key in order to do it It's just dumb. Um, so yeah, I'm having Growing pains when it comes to nano you mentioned it has a configuration file. It does have a configuration file Um, it has a do Oh, it has tons of options dude. There's a ton of options you can do you can remap all of the Key bindings that you want to which I've done you can remove that stupid fucking title bar at the top, which is just I mean Why do you need to remember what file you're working in it doesn't no no no the default title bar and nano does not tell you what What file all it says is nano tell you that No, listen to me all by default that title bar at the top All it does is tell you that it's nano with the version number. That's all it does The the file name is at the bottom Um, oh I thought it was at the top No, it's it's at the bottom So you can get rid of the title bar, which is a waste of space also You can add, you know line numbers by default set how it's supposed to wrap instead of having the one line That just goes off into infinity, but which is the apparently the default whoever thinks that's a good default is fucking retarded Um, sorry. I shouldn't say that. Um They're really dumb Anyways, I just have some serious serious issues with nano Maybe it's just like like maybe a week from now. I'll have been used to it But now but honestly I dread opening up a Terminal in writing right now. I've seriously considered just going back to Libre office To do all my writing It's fine because at this point you're you're now getting used to the nano workflow, which means that we're not too much too Here and not too much longer sometime this year We will get you back and using e-max. I said for financial incentive Yeah, yeah, financial incentive significant financial incentive Not significant. Yeah, it's two stakes. Not just one. No, that's not significant That's not financial incentive Oh, that's not financial incentive. Okay. Okay. Well money money money money Or go or go to dt. No, I've had I've I've tried e-max many times in the past I'm just you'd never you've never tried e-max. You tried doom e-max true, but that's because I wasn't getting I'd immediately install evil mode on vanilla. So I might as well just use doom. Um, I don't know Still not going to do it. I was done with with e-max the last time I made a video about it I even said I was done as I could just Very bearded says vim Vim does not have tetris by default Uh, if you use gen 2 you can call minus games and not have any of them Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well I'm not using gen 2 either. I got those own problems. Anyways, so that's what I've been I've been struggling with this entire week Also, uh, banged up my knee, which is the reason why we didn't have a podcast last week So it has not been a very good week at all, but that's okay Um Thank you watch for beeping at me. I appreciate that. Anyways, that's like a third time so far I know I should I should actually turn that off. All right, there we go I honestly thought I was hearing like the kim possible beeps for like the old disney show Well, it's just I forget that it's sometimes on anyways, that's it for uh this weekend fos We're gonna go ahead and move on to the news Uh, let's see here. Josh, why don't you do your first link? Oh, my first link. Uh, so have you guys ever heard of weston and used weston before? In weston? No weston. Oh well in the event you got in the event that you guys don't know anything about it And you both gave me strange looks as soon as I mentioned it Weston is the is the reference window compos compositing software for wayland It is officially maintained by by the developers behind wayland and it is just reference And They pushed out big updates this week with multi gpu support A and as well as support for screen tearing Uh, you'll see something for a pipe wire back end, but that was already implemented in it and all the other window compositors But uh, the big the big thing with multi gpu support is that right now as as it works Most display compositors only let you use one gpu at a time The way this multi gpu support work will be more like how nvidia optimus works on on a laptops right now Where you can specify that you only want to run specific applications With using your dedicated gpu So that's actually showing how to get that enabled And and uh, they're doing it as a proper protocol Uh protocol via a portal in wayland Which means that it'll be coming to known kde and wl routes all at the same time as soon as soon as they they Actually, you know get to actually enabling the portal. Okay, so they're gonna make hybrid graphics much easier on wayland than it is on Yes Yes Okay, and then because because we all want to play our video games on our laptops They're allowing us to enable screen tearing on wayland per app on a per application basis which Uh, I understand that the you know screen tearing looks horrible But what in the context of playing a video game you want to push your frame rates? Because you know the higher the frame rate the smoother the gameplay is uh supposedly and uh Using using vertical sync or some form of adapt or of adaptive sync can actually lower the frame rate and cause jitter in your gameplay And uh what what this protocol does is it this disables the enforced v-sync because on wayland It's always been that every frame has to be drawn perfectly and Uh you that would cause games to stutter you suffer lower frame rates than usual and so on Well, they're saying that They're saying that now we can just enable it on a per application basis. So you don't have to worry about that So our video games are going to work even better over under wayland already. Yeah, can I ask you a question josh? I um, you're the wayland guy here um You're more much more of a wayland fan than I am I'm running wayland right now. Fantastic. I'm so proud of you. Um, He said he said dryly, um so Correct me if i'm wrong, but global support for key bindings is still not a thing outside of hyperland, right? It is still not a thing outside of hyperland or kd Okay, so they worked on multi gpu support Which affects a very small amount of people probably right before they worked on global key binding support You know why they're not working on global key bindings No, I don't know why i'm very good at tell me because Because when you enable support for global key bindings you're also enabling support for key loggers Okay, I Yep Now the way that kde and hyperland but do it is uh when when you hold your uh hot When you hold your modifier key because you have to do it through a modifier key You'll be able to grab Basically what it does is it ghosts the window into focus that way your global hot key for that application works And then so technically You're you're bringing that window into focus. So What you're saying it's unlikely that we'll get a proper global key binding support out of wayland Is not a hack which is what you're describing ever Uh At the rate that current things are going Yes until somebody influence like a proper method to get it that everybody can actually agree on So wayland will never be ready In your eyes I want to know it's working perfectly fine for me, but then again I'm also using a lot of applications that support web sockets. Yeah It seems I so the whole portals thing I gotta remember I'm not a developer so it seems like they could use I don't know It just feels weird to me that they focused on the multi gpu thing before they focused on nothing But apparently they're not gonna focus on another thing ever because of some Um Yeah, it's understandable. I think I see it. It's understandable. Yeah, it's understandable If you're trying to be like this the ultimate super perfectionist ever, right? If you if you're trying that's what they're trying to do Because uh, the big thing the biggest thing with the wayland code base is that they do not want it to fall Down the same rabbit hole that xorg did so uh And a lot of the a lot of the code for the wayland protocols is actually really really cleanly written c Yeah, you're never ever ever going to create a Program of any sort without some kind of bug or flaw. Okay. You're just never never going to do it What I'm saying is that they're not trying to make it bug-free. They're trying to make it so that it's maintainable Right and by making it maintainable They they also want to they want to make it both maintainable and secure at the same time okay, well, I mean I can understand not wanting to open up a of A security flaw You know on purpose I can understand that but also you're going to hamstring yourself Not only with this area, but other places, you know, just you know, if you're not I'm sure I'm sure somebody's gonna find a other than voxry for hyperland voxry is a unique edge case but I'm sure somebody's gonna figure out a way around this. It's just a matter of time, but Now Understand the how the why they're doing it because today security is the most important thing, especially The thing that happened with me and the tkg drivers we need to I'll be more aware of things because Keep us just got hacked I'm just gonna continue to use Xorg until they pry it out of my cold dead hands Same same here same here. We're in the same boy brother. I'm just not Every time I try wayland either something goes wrong or I just feel like Why Like there's always this question of why when it comes to a why do I like I'm 100 positive and from everything I've read everything josh has told me other people told me that there are a ton of development Reasons why wayland exists and why wayland is better, but from a user facing perspective Oh, no as users. It's absolutely horrible for us. I just haven't seen any reason why I want to switch to it right there when you cut like For for no just for example, like I had the same thing with pipe wire when pipe wire first came out Like why is this better than pulse audio like pulse audio already breaks a lot, but At least when it came with like came to pipe wire when they transitioned to it. It was mostly a seamless transition, right? Yes, things still break But you didn't have to worry about finding alternatives to literally everything OBS, you know started supporting pipe wire and everything, you know firefox and you know Your your music players and all this stuff started supporting pipe wire and it just was a Maybe it wasn't a seamless transition, but it wasn't a Transition that put the onus of transitioning onto the user. You know, I mean like you When you transition to wayland you basically have to do I mean unless you're using gnom or kde Outside of that. It's very much a user facing It's your stuff that you have to figure out how to find, you know, make sure things work on And if you don't you can't find something that you know Where you if you can't find alternatives or whatever It's your fault. Have you ever used x-free 86 before no Okay, the transition for x x-free 86 to x11 Was worse than our transition to wayland Because there was there was no layer of backwards compatibility of x-wayland that just simply did not exist for x-free 86 So as a result the transition to x11 was actually rougher than it is today Yep, the biggest difference is that uh, we're just We're on platforms that are much more sociable than emailing lists and rc channels So let me ask you this question x-wayland in order to for an application to support x-wayland the developer has to do something Right, it's not probably not a lot of no it just works It just works Okay, well then it should be it should theoretically then just be fine But in my experience it hasn't just you know been fine Anyways, I've talked tom blue in the face xorg is going to be mine until I die Um xorg is dead to me It's just it's just fan fanaticism over Something that's not ready yet They wanted to be ready users are trying Their best and I haven't seen a single person that switched Or tested hyperland or wayland or anything wayland related I only seen them reinstalling and moving uh distro hopping to something that uses xorg Because they either had a lot of issues or they didn't want to even bother Because the the argument that you get a lot of the time when it comes to wayland Is there are if your application doesn't work find alternatives But I haven't seen a single person bothering to find alternatives waiting for us to suggest them to them Yeah, I think that the biggest thing is that the the people behind wayland are uber And they did this with xorg too obviously this is because the the focus has to be on gnome Has to be on on katie because that's what the vast majority of people are going to use And the developers of other desktop environment window managers are going to be doing things on their own Which means they're automatically going to be doing things a little bit differently than you know, marquette e So everything is not quite the same But also it just it makes you feel not a cohesive strategy, right? It just it feels really Uh disjointed a lot of the time and you know, but the thing is I think that if you are like a The three of us are not normal users Especially you josh, you're not an offer. I mean we make videos about so of course, we're definitely not normal At the same time the biggest thing is that I and I'm seeing this here in the chat where people are going like Where I'm never going to switch to wayland. I'm I'm just going to stick on x11 for life Are you going to maintain x11? Not are you going to maintain x11? I'm going to continue. Are you going to are you going to fork the xorg project and maintain that? Going to continue to use x11 as long as there are x11 window managers to use All right, I I just I just wanted to ask because you know, uh They they just barely had enough people for their for their last election. Yeah, and uh, it's it's just going to get worse I'm sure I'm sure We're we agree here all agree here that we're going Matt and I will we're going to you what we matt meant to say is we're going to continue using x11 until x11 itself Eyes and nobody uses it anymore and all these projects go dormant and dead and become unusable I don't think that it's too much to ask To want things to work You know, it's fine. It's it's fine matt because I'm working on a video series Where we look through every single possible compositor on wayland And that right there is and I'm certain and I'm certain that you'll find one that you like There's so many compositors and they all do something Well, it's a little bit differently and it's it's it's a mess and The thing thing when it comes to X org is that they all use x org Yes, you could find different compositors and you found different window managers and all those things were separated With wayland, they've tried to cram everything into being the same thing You know, it's it's the compositors the windowing service It it handles all the screen tearing nonsense It interfaces is much closer with all the drivers and the hardware and stuff the next word ever dead, right? It's it's They've tried to so what you're saying is that you want to dedicate display server and a separate With a separate composite with a separate window manager and I have that it's called xor. Okay. It's called mirror Yeah, but nobody uses mirror Nobody uses me Okay, there's a there's a reason why the mirror isn't dead How many steam games have you launched using a proton Is are you telling me proton uses mirror? I'm telling you game scope uses mirror. I don't know game scope even is On the steam deck. Yeah a game scope. I just want to think like I I'm the the middle ground between uber technical and new user and I just want things to work If I were to use kate if I were to use gnomed Wayland is ready. Okay, because most of the development to make wayland really good On is good and gnomed right kate slowly getting there But kate has been bugger and shit forever Adding some more stuff to it to make even more buggy is not going to be something that anybody notices It's just continues to be a buggy Um, so not a big deal there But the problem is is that I'm not a kate or gnomed guy anymore I either prefer xfce, which I'll be very interested in see how xfce does wayland because next version Wayland's coming, but I'm also a window manager guy and Once you delve into the window manager space Wayland becomes a fucking mess. All right. It's just you know Sway is doing things their own way hyperlands guy his own stuff So you need a different portal between those different things if you need it And you need to know what portals are in order to do those things which is fine I mean you're not expecting a brand new user to use a window manager So you should have some technological know-how to switch between packages and stuff like that. It's fine But it's just a matter of I haven't found a single window manager out there where I could just install it and know that it's going to work out of the box So for example If your name's not josh, you can install i3 have it work out of the box. It just works, right? You're not going to have you know, sure once you get into configuring it and stuff like that You may end up having problems based on skill level Problems it's not that i3 doesn't work for for me Or that it fails to launch or anything like that. I just don't like the workflow for right and then And I mean that's a good point not not all window managers are for everybody but also fine q-tile xmonad Bspwm you install those things right out of the box bam. They work I've not seen a single Wayland compositor that you can argue that that works that way It's I just haven't found sways the closest Sways the closest Uh, but even then once you get into the configuring it and finding alternatives to all the programs and stuff like that. She is just All right, anyways guys, which I said at the beginning no tangents. It's it's fine. Can we talk about mozilla selling out at least? Well, we're gonna go to steve next Oh, okay Steve your first link My first my first blink it's talking about plasma six and why i'm angry with them not angry just Not really happy. Oh, you want to continue the debate? All right It's not continuing the debate. It's part. It's another part of the debate KDE decided Want to switch to Wayland by default and we have As maintainers to do the work and more work to disable Wayland because we are xorg fanatics Uh, as matt and I said, uh, but yeah, they're gonna switch Default better for better defaults Wayland by example Uh, and they're gonna switch To double click by default, which Have been from the beginning. That's the worst change ever Oh, that's my favorite change single click for life, man. It's it's the way thing. That's what made katie good Double click for life. It's an option you can enable in otolus. I know It's it's it's it's they've never hidden that feature from you. It's an option you can enable in every single file manager I am a double. I am a double crusader crusader doesn't have a double click option. So yeah, i'm a double click guy I'm I cannot get my muscle I cannot get my muscle memory to get used to a single click Well, once you know laptops, I understand my laptop for I understand but once you move to it You would never switch back the thing is when I first started using linux I found I started using the single click because there was a plasma guy and it was single click by default back then and Once you once you get used to it you started that way. I didn't start that way. I I'm coming from windows and I come to this is simple a click What is this my first ever experience with single click was when I accidentally executed a bash script that blew up my home directory So I I think you understand my concerns but let's just Parse out that statement for just a minute somewhere along the line. Josh I'm assuming he was like five years old or something We managed to get to get into a file manager somewhere and decided that it was a good idea to double click on a bash script Well, you see my assumption is that the bash script was not executable because you know when you Back in the day when you downloaded files off the internet They didn't you didn't get file permissions with it yet. So so it would just pull down with default file permissions Well, somehow I completely missed that the hct protocol enabled file file permissions for unix based operating systems So I didn't realize that this bash script, which you know, normally I would just double click on which would open in a text editor Because that was my workflow at the time, right? Then you know right click and specified open in a text editor like I do nowadays because I learned But you know, I I I Downloaded this bash script from the internet because you know, I just wanted to parse through real quick You know, just give it a good check before you know, I executed it So I double left click Well, I I single left clicked it It executed and it wiped out my home directory before I even knew what happened We started a war in the chat, by the way We've we've moved on from one Linux nerd battle Waylon versus xorg to double click versus single click all in one session. It's great It's fine Another thing they enabled by uh, they changed Not and they that made default is humongous thumbnail tab Yeah, now when you click alt tab you get the preview of the application Applications, uh, I like that. That's But I use the cover flow alt tab on gnome and on kde. So I'm good Um, the thing that I saw that they're bringing floating panels by default just to yes It was it nicholo that said that the reason why they're doing this was because they didn't want to look like windows anymore Was that yes, okay There's solution prior by on default kde plasma Was that would just pop up on the left side of the screen and vertically sort through the tabs Which is something I never I myself never really particularly enjoyed Well, it's my my problem with the vertical tab switcher was that it occupied the same space as activities So if you were an activities user And you accidentally, you know, especially if you had a key buying that was similar to alt tab Maybe use control tab or something like that to switch between I think I think they're gonna modify that as well But he didn't mention it. I hope they're not the I hope they're not the same Ui I hope that they I hope that they Enable virtual virtual workspaces by default instead of activities in the plasma sex because you know, I don't like activities I You guys know me. I'm big. I hoard tabs, but I also hoard workspaces. Um, and yeah activities gives you more work So so the the best thing about activities so you can set up four virtual workspaces and then use many different activities You can that means you can have as many Uh workspaces as you want Without having to set up like 20 of them And then you're trying to figure out why your computer doesn't want to shut down because you know, you got like uh Things open in this random activity all the way over there and you know, you're trying to start your computer down It's called reboot because I updated my kernel It's not I just stand the same kernel. It's fine. I'm sure it's fine There's it's not mentioned in this article, but Nikola mentioned it in one of his videos. They're up there Rehauling the overview The overview will uh, I will also have vertical They will allow you to have horizontal workspaces vertical workspaces Are you talking about the expose thing that they stole from mac? Yeah Yeah, yeah Not the mac from they call it we stole it from gnom Who stole it from mac? Okay? I don't actually had it before mac Probably did because I think anyway early gnome three well I don't know expose and mac has been around for a very long time. So I it'd be I don't know It it doesn't matter because has anybody ever actually used x was a Uh feature on I used to use it. Oh not on mac, but I have used the active I have used the activities overview on plasma on purpose or just by accident On purpose because I was trying to turn plasma into gnome Oh, okay. Steve does a better job. Also get off my podcast I use expose at work because we had to We used to have the calculator and the tag the taxes and whatever an expose. We we need to do quickly I mean when you have lots and lots of windows open and using and floating window manager That kind of workflow is actually a bit of a game changer Especially, you know, if you're if you're not doing the proper thing where you're splitting windows into different virtual workspaces and everything And and back then and with apple just the gesture thing you just do that and you get the expose and You can do your your stuff quickly when the customer is right there in front of you waiting So That helped a lot, but also in the overview that you're going to be able to vertically stack workspaces Actual workspaces vertically stacked them in or windows vertically stacked them or you can have tiles of Of workspaces. Yeah, but they're not dynamic yet. Are they? No, not yet. Okay. I hear all they're working on it I hear all these features that they're adding for the next version of plasma. I was like, oh, man That's gonna be great. No, wait. Wait. Wait more bugs No, wait Of course, they will be bugs. That's that's inherent with every new feature, but Starting next year, they're going to release only two versions During every year and during the in-between time, they're going to be squashing bugs. So we They said expect more bugs To be squashed than ever before I hope that's true because Katie's one of those things that you just want to love but every time you use it It just pisses all over your face. They're slowing down on the releases They're slowing down on the releases and they're going to be squashing more bugs and more bugs because They admit it that they have way more bugs than a project should have Especially the fact that Now how I praised I kept praising Dolphin for having this Feature where it remembers sessions every time I open it. It remembers where I left off Well, that feature decided to break And the latest KDE gear release It has to be something to do with an underlying technology because crusader Apparently uses that same thing because it also broken crusader for a little while. It has been fixed in crusader. Thank goodness, but It hasn't been fixed. But it has been fixed, but it won't come to kde until kde gear when you 4-0 4 23 dot 0 4 dot 2. Yeah, I think crusader handles all that packaging on its own So it's kind of separated out because it's not default for kde. It's it's Anthem june 6 it's coming on 2 6 But the the and and the maintainer said one thing at the end and the bug in the bug report It's not merged yet And it's not for sure going to be merged But there is a new version coming in kde of dolphin coming kde gear And the new version of kde here on june 6 is the the fix might be there It might not be there. So i'm like See come on. Yeah, just download crusader. You'll be happy. Um, anyway, that's my newest article It's a simple one. Uh, because the next one my second one is the big one Okay Um, I because I have so little to say about it. But anyways the um My first one is that microsoft has Is trying to seduce firefox into ditching google and switching to bing um Now I correct this change Really money money money really Yeah, I actually do you think you think bing is better than google or do you have other reasons No, I honestly think that the firefox has been monopolized by google for too long So it's it's nice to show that they're at least willing to talk to other people So them switching to bing is probably not a bad Is not it allows firefox to be a little bit more competitive with their prices and go like hey Uh, we switched to bing away from your google. You're gonna pay us even more Because uh, every every time that's a smart strategy Every time that that google has renewed with firefox the amount has actually never changed And that is not how you run a business every time you renew every time you go to renew contracts The business is supposed to upcharge. Yes, it's been like 400 million Revva Yeah Yeah So, uh, honestly firefox I honestly think that fire if uh microsoft is actually if these talks are actually happening And microsoft is willing to pony up some money money to mozilla Then yes mozilla should go with the change But bing is the wrong one I mean, yeah, bing is the wrong search engine But at the same time it's not that hard to change change the search engine in firefox. In fact, it's easier than it is in chrome Yeah, I always change it to cirqs anyway, so it doesn't really matter, but Yeah, I think I understand your point I think I agree with you josh if they can manage to get more money out of it I'm glad that somebody somebody on what a host agrees with me on this podcast. I mean, because never happens Because at the end of the day, what what does it matter? All all it matters is how much money they can possibly squeeze out of that rock until it dies And if they if they can make google Even if they just kind of create a bidding war like him Maybe they just sit there and like it's an ebay auction for firefox. He just keeps going up and up and up And you get as much money as they possibly can or create like a a bing version of firefox sponsored by being you know Yeah, and and then you know Mozilla making in more money. Uh, hopefully they can uh, you know not pay their ceo like Oh, no, he's as they're dead that that ceo is definitely getting a raise Of course and they'll still start about six other projects that have nothing to do with firefox Yep, probably um, but you know mozilla making more money means that mozilla stays relevant for longer So i'm fine with it But speaking of search search engines. I I had to I recently had to uh Force uh, duck. Go because Matt had a point Uh, duck. Go sucks. It's so bad. It's so bad. It's so bad. I I even tested it by searching for nvidia-alt tkg Any search other search engine puts the the correct search result way on top Duck go six page So here's the thing about duck duck go is that it depends The results for what you're searching for differ by person so I I tutored about this on mastodon um I I posted something about duck. Go being crap and I posted the exact search term that I use I don't remember what it is now someone else searched for the exact same thing with the exact phrase and had different search results than I had um and then it turns so I was searching for how to do something and it turns out if I had removed the how-to part of it I'd get different results based on just having the how-to because that Um, what I cannot remember. What is it bro? It's a broad term maybe for duck duck go Well, oh it kept bringing up nvidia results when I was searching for I don't remember what I was actually searching for I apologize for that but the you know, whatever it was it was bringing me up It had two things that had the exact same name and it was bringing up. Oh, it was nano It was um, it was bringing up the nvidia nano thing with the the single board computer Um, and it was only doing that for me for everybody else. It was bringing up actual nano I was I was looking for ways of you know configuring nano um, you know specific options and stuff like that and um, it kept bringing up the wrong thing So yeah, duck duck go is horrible, but at the top of that like There are a lot of bad searches out there sirks even half the time doesn't give me what I want But I put up with sirks because I know that it's you know privacy focused And you can do a lot of tweaking in order to make the search results better You know, you can Search results better. I just went back to google. Um, um, you know, it's fine But with with duck duck go not only is it bad, but it's like super fucking slow Like it's been so slowly. It's just like sometimes it takes likes takes like 15 to 20 seconds for the page to load And it's ridiculous. Not only that try an image search. It filters. It has a such a hardened filter At uh, I get like two three pages. That's it on google It tells you it asks you on google it asks you do you want the copyright free or all licenses or filter by license or whatever Uh, uh, even if I tell it I want the, uh, license free ones. I get hundreds and hundreds of pages Why is duck duck go so stupid and hard to give to give me Image results I can't take an opinion because I use brave search Well, at least with at least with brave They're using their own indexing, right? Yeah So you're getting the benefit of knowing that you're not having to pull from google anyways or pulling from bing Which duck duck go doesn't do anything other than just pull from bing. They have no indexing of their own You want to even use our own user agent that's still that still identifies you so it's not really like privacy focused at all Exactly. It just offers you no benefits for crap your search results and the thing is like I've used bing before and I don't remember the search results being that bad I mean, they're bad. They're not as good as google, but it just it seems like Duck duck go paid bing for worse search results somehow It just it's it's it's yeah, and if you want a worse experience just try their browser on Well, nobody has only exists on macOS, but uh on macOS. I uh and ios. I use I I have I don't use I have the duck duck go browser Let's just say It's a clone of firefox is they use a webkit of course because they're on apple But uh, they just just use the search Search index if uh, you're it's even slower. It's even slower It's slow and the search is slow But when it comes to uh, you know like search results, I don't care about performance I just want accurate results and that's actually not even after google because google google search results have gone way downhill They have they have gotten worse. So the the the thing about search results is that you can be There's that whole saying you can either have fast and good, but you can't do both at the same time you know But the the problem with duck duck go and several other ones is that it's neither fast nor good you can't be Just that's just bad. You know, it's just it's just bad at least when you use google It can be slow. It can it can be mediocre search results because fast, right? Um, or you can use like, you know You know you use being or you can use brave search or whatever, but you're getting you know mediocre results But at least it's fast, you know, it's you can't You can't be you can't just suck at everything and expect people to use you I'll tell you why why why I started using uh, duck duck go in the first place Because google detects your geo location and since i'm in lebanon, it always gives me results in arabic I don't care for that language They want everything in english everything on the web. I want in english. So I uh, I switched to duck duck go because duck duck go Never gives me anything in arabic. It doesn't detect my location. It gives me an option to search By uh, according to my location, but I disable that it gives you the option to disable it That's why I started using duck duck go. But now Like I will take your arabic results google Please because duck duck go is like in the crapper. There needs to be a really good search I I've divorced it brave has I think some potential to be good But I don't think it's there yet. Um, anyway, it's work But it's fine though because I want to talk about all your video games potentially breaking Yeah, all right. Anyway before we jump into Uh, the video game stuff and intel and stuff We're going to go into moving to the contact information if you want to get in contact with us You can do so in any number of ways the best way to do so is head on over to the website Which is the linuxcast.org there you'll find previous episodes and all my blog posts I write a blog post every week and you can read all those there leave a comment I'd love to have you leave a comment there because very few people leave comments because it turns out If you force people to have a github account in order to make a comment Not a good idea apparently I really wish utterance is would at least use github but it doesn't matter Anyways, uh, you can support me on patreon patreon.com slash linuxcast You can subscribe to my channel youtube.com slash linuxcast Josh you can find all of his contact information at tenley j.com slash stalker Steve is on youtube at youtube.com slash at zero linux zero with an x not a z All of his other stuff will be available on the website Which you can find at the linuxcast.org slash contact There you'll find all of the contact information I just said along with the discord server email address all that kind of stuff. So The linuxcast.org slash contact was where you can find most of that stuff If you don't want to just type in stuff you can go actually click on actual links. So that's the contact information. So, um, Who who's going next what's go next? I was first so I'll go next. All right. So you're doing the intel stuff, right? Yep. All right. So, uh, intel is Has pushed a proposal for a new x86 standard called x86 dash s Which is 64 bit only. Uh, this is not reverse compact This is not backwards compatible at all. This specification is just for x86 And because intel is a chip maker They're probably going to be they might actually just produce these chips because uh We got the 2038 issue that is coming with 32 bit cpus no matter what which means that after 2038 Your 32 bit applications otherwise known as your steam games or steam itself at who knows Uh, might potentially just quit working entirely and segafalting almost immediately potentially even taking down your whole system it when you go to go to attempt to launch them because you know computer errors but uh, this is the thing that is probably going to be happening and uh At the after if this actually happens comes to make a change you can still virtualize 32 bit architectures So, uh, you would have so, uh, you would have to play your video games in a video machine Which then raises issues with anti-cheat So, uh, game compatibility analytics has been getting great these these uh years Uh, so here in the future when this comes out, uh, we get to see linux once again not working with video games Um Go forward then go backward. Yep But honestly 32 you shouldn't be using a 32 bit system any anyway unless like it's a micro micro controller of some kind Be honest these days. Uh, most games have a 64 bit nary so Yeah, the game binary itself does but the library is that that binary is calling Oftentimes there's a reason why you have to have The multi-lib or whatever it is for steam on arch, right? The the thing is that that's going to be a Valve has done such a good job of Getting linux games to work Or windows games to work on linux and stuff like that with Compatibility layers and proton and wine and all this stuff It feels like they're going to come up with some kind of emulation layer for this as well I mean, I don't know the technical thing Maybe it's not even possible, but it feels like because like you can emulate You know probably six You know 16 bit and stuff like that in games on in emulators and stuff, right? So yep In theory, you know in theory you could do the same thing with 32 bit non performance The thing is like if your game is relying on 32 bit libraries completely. It's probably not probably to have Super duper anti cheat attached to it You wouldn't think because most of those games are going to be pretty older, right? If your game is newer not always there are still there are still video games coming out these days There are still 32 bit cyberpunk cyberpunk 2077 being a prime example of it Sounds like we need to have a talk with game developers because it's it's time to move on Not even the game developers that are responsible for it is the game engines that are that are responsible for all right epic Fuck off Yeah, exactly Why is epic always ruining our day? Yeah, epic is literally ruining our day Uh as well as unity and thankfully go to I believe is 64 bit only Great like the the the one game engine that nobody wants to use um Okay, um, yeah I'm surprised I'm surprised the drawdown From 32 bit has has taken this long to be honest. It feels like it's just been dragging It feels like we've been drawing down from 32 bit for at least 10 years And we're still not 100 there. Um, and I know I I know a ton of people in the Linux community who are still running 32 bit operating systems like a ton of people Because kind of nuts how many people I know is still running. I know they just don't want to they just don't want to buy new hardware Well, then I keep I keep getting Keep getting questions on the channel like hey, what's the best 32 bit? Oh, you know just her out there I was like Well, I have to think about it for a minute because there's not that many left The default answer is debbie unless you want to go gen 2 well debbie and or anything based on debbie because like a lot of mx linux still has it. Um, you know, there's there's I think sparky still has one. So if you if you're Art 32 Art still has a 32 bit iso Uh, not official. It's it's a community project. Oh, okay. Well, that's that's what that's what issues with their gpg keys That's where 32 bit is going to go to die is with community distros. Um, anyways That's it for that that one. Uh, steve. Why don't you tell us about yours? You're you seem very very excited about this Um, non-existent um piece of crap. Um, hard so much. I was appreciate the topic Steve yours Okay, there's there's uh, the steam deck has competition Now a real competition danger zone danger zone. It's called the asus rog The everybody calls it the alley. It's called the ally Uh, and what I meant by competition the same price range the top end team day it's 699 and boy is it does does it have the specs paper that is Uh, it's got a amd rise in z1 extreme processor with 16 gigabytes Of ram ddr5 ram which is 6400 mega transfers per second instead of the uh, I think uh, 6000 of the steam deck But the steam deck is still using ddr4. I think on the dr5 dr5 But it's lower 512 gigabytes pci and that's the only storage that you will get on the ally. You don't have lower or higher uh, until uh, so far but Has been tested and I've been watching following eta prime. It's uh on youtube who whose sole purpose in life is doing different machines for emulation And he Surely uh tested and the worst part of the ally the thing that brings it down in my mind is the fact that it's running windows and in their, uh, presentation keynote Mentioned windows like 1.5 billion times. Well, it's because microsoft was a partner in its creation Yeah, they had to mention it the part of the deal but the verge reviewed it and they didn't seem impressed Let me get to that point I was excited too Was excited and super hyped because i'm a steam deck owner and uh, I wanted to see See competition for it for because competition is healthy It fell on its face I because the steam because the steam deck does has a lot of optimization done here They just on on this on the ally to just slap a Very technical Uh tweaking system that regular users are just not gonna use But simply not gonna use a non-optimized version of windows on there Which is just I mean just windows 11. That's it All I had to do was Default that the steam big picture mode, but the problem is that they don't want to limit people. That's the steam They want you to they want to yeah, it boots to the desktop. That's the weirdest part That and uh, they also need like valve's permission to prepackage steam Yeah Well, here's here's the thing eta prime flash Uh tried to flash uh hollow iso on it Make it On par with the steam deck. It didn't work Uh, because the hollow iso hasn't been updated since november last year So, uh, he then tried chimera os. Yeah Chimera os Okay, it works, but it cannot access the tdb settings and there's a lot of broken things here and there So this device I think they made sure that linux doesn't work very well on it because they're so heavily endorsed by microsoft Yeah, this sucks. Um, sucks. It brings it down. It's it's it's not what it should be it had potential Okay, so there's two ways of looking at this that I think first And this is the way you should look at it right now Is that steam the valve is very Fortunate that this thing came out and similar ones like this came out After the steam deck had general availability because if this thing had come out you know 10 months ago when it was still kind of hard to get a steam deck You know, this thing would have gained a lot more traction because people would have been, you know Out there searching for alternatives more because they would want something like the steam deck because they couldn't get a steam deck now you can go Buy a steam deck and have it delivered in the next few days, right? It's just available to you So there's no there's not that uh fear of missing out thing that it would have experienced if The steam deck was still pretty rare But the the place where this kind of scares me a lot and we talked about this before when it comes to the steam deck Is that valve is not known for doing very well with sequels um when they come, you know And they're good at the initial sequel, but the one after doesn't exist. Well, no, no, no Software games, whatever fine when it comes to hardware at least they don't do sequels like the the index hasn't seen a sequel It's been available for at least five years. Uh, the the steam Uh controller never had a sequel the the well, they also can't do anything with the steam controller because you know, they got sued over it Well, whatever. Oh, I'm gonna say Is sewing the steam deck now immersion Yeah, it's the exact same company I sued him last time I think when it when it comes when it comes to hardware, they don't do sequels Well at all. Okay, but one thing you can say about windows hardware is that it's very plentiful and gets updated a lot Okay, so this Asus ROG ally will have a second version next year Okay, there's a good change. It's successful. Well, even if it's even if it's moderately If 10 people buy it, they'll make another one. Okay That's just the way windows things work. They'll at least give it a second generation for sure There's a good chance that we won't see a second version of the steam deck next year Or the next year or the year after that. Okay. Yeah The big thing that concerns me with the steam deck has a big community behind it That's the the biggest difference between that and the steam deck and the windows stuff They won't have a lot of communities behind them But the steam deck has Customizations communities and and stuff like that this the ally has the screen that the steam deck should have had 120 Hertz 1080p screen What were you saying? Here's the thing is that this is that I don't think that the ally is going to affect the steam deck by any means simply because of how The steam deck is in number one because of the large momentum behind the steam deck What I'm concerned about is all the other Handheld computing devices. I'm talking about stuff like The what is it the ion neo and then they're like four other ones. Yeah, these those companies are much smaller And uh, they're the ones that are selling their devices for like a thousand plus dollars Whereas, you know aces can afford to you know, not make as much of margin as they are Aster's is going to make other devices like this and that was my point was that These companies and even the smaller ones are going to be able to iterate much faster Than valve is going to so You're right steve the valve and the steam deck have momentum right now and they have the community behind them right now But how long does that community? I mean the linux guys are going to stick around the steam deck for a very long time because they stick around on 32 Bit for a very long time But the people who came to linux because of the steam deck Are eventually going to be wowed by higher specs an OLED screen a 120 Hertz screen You know a higher end processor the ability to play a triple a game like A year and a half the only time the only time the only time I see this thing being a real competitor to the steam deck Is when because this will happen this will happen and we all know that linux distro will come out Works 100 flawlessly That Let's say the holo iso gets updated to support that thing It becomes Identical to the steam deck with no issues and everything working on it Out of the box and because eta prime in some games on chimera os got as high as 80 And 70 and 80 frames per second on 1080p medium. Well, okay, so two things there first I don't I'm not worried about this version of the rog li This version here is never going to It's going to be the next one and the next one after that or a similar version from another company Whatever the ability to iterate faster because this team deck is going to be the same for a long time for a very long time Yeah, that's what that what worries me. But the other thing is is that And maybe this is valves, you know pocket ace They will eventually Release steam os for other hardware. They've said that they're going to do it. It hasn't happened yet Eventually they'll have an official steam iso That's that's where the possibility of other hardware being interesting From a steam and valve perspective comes into play, but it hasn't happened yet And you can't trust valve to release anything in a reasonable amount of time. I mean this they're very very small company You know compared to microsoft and and you know asus, so you can there's a reason why they're still moving It feels like the entire company is always focused on one thing and then when they get done with that one thing They move on to the next thing, right? They don't have you know, you know, what else makes the steam deck still number one The visibility of the of the steam deck you can replace the the joystick with holofax joysticks You can upgrade the the storage you can do this you can do that with the ally you're locked down You cannot do shit. Yeah speaking of upgrading the steam deck. Hey, look at their transition fx technology has Come out or they're teasing a screen Update for the steam deck and it is it's now. I remember nobody's really tried this yet But it sounds like utter garbage. So first of all not even they're moving to 10 to 1920 by 10 20 1920 by 1200 which is the upgraded screen that they're offering, but it's not higher res It's not higher Refresh rate not all ed which I wasn't really expecting all that anyways, but you would expect to have at least, you know 90 Hertz, you know, but it's still 60 Hertz and the the only other improvement seems that they're moving to a better color range the 74 percent Adobe RGB coverage versus the 45 percent there right now. So colors will be better So those are the two options So the way I look at this like first of all like Steve said you can you can update or you can upgrade your Steam deck that's really freaking cool, but this particular upgrade Doesn't seem to be Doing anything worthwhile because oh Wait, I look at it. It's also pretty involved. Well, yeah, it's gonna be taken. Yeah, it's gonna be you're gonna want to I'm assuming there's gonna probably be some soldering I don't know you don't you don't need to solder or anything But you do have to basically take the entire device apart But there's nothing hard wired in the steam deck. Yeah, it's good No, it's just connectors Valve actually has a video posting of them tearing apart a steam deck But the big thing is the biggest thing is that uh, you're is that you're dealing with a bunch of ribbon cables that are really really delicate And uh, you have to disconnect them all and uh, it'd be similar to taking apart a phone. So Uh, yeah, it's but basically during assembly the screen is the very first thing put into into the chassis So as a result, it's going to be the very last thing you take out of the chassis So it so realistically I wouldn't say that that you buy the screen as An upgrade you buy it because you need a new screen Well, and you know, it's 99 dollars. Why not pay for the upgrade? Well, it'd be nice if it was an actual it felt like an upgrade to me To me like the higher resolution is not what I need on a on a steam deck because it's such a small screen so the pixels, I mean Who pixels? Yeah, the pick I mean, it's just the steam deck is already is already what's referred to as pixel perfect or retina if you're from the apple land Yeah, it what what people would want is a higher refresh rate Uh olad if you're gonna if you're gonna, you know, go that far Those are the two two things that would make the the the upgrade worth it to me But also no matter what kind of upgrade you're searching for even if you're just going for the higher resolution like this is The steam deck's batteries are already not great when you're using it, right? It's you know, you get three four hours. Maybe right this is going to cut that half You know if you're lucky. Yeah, you know so just Yeah, so you're just gonna run it you're going to run a lower display resolution anyway for the battery savings and honestly uh, I agree with with uh uh A uh, googly googly and the chap where he's just like yeah, he'd rather have a higher refresh rate higher 120 hertz with variable refresh rate. Well, it just you know, I honestly I would too it just feels like the processes you'd have to go to upgrade And the downside of the battery isn't a The value that you're getting for those things isn't High enough like I said, you're not buying this for the sake of upgrading You're just buying it because you need a replacement screen and you just don't feel like buying it from valve And you know, it's some people are gonna look at higher a higher higher thing and think that it's an upgrade But I don't think that it's an upgrade Yeah, I mean it's not necessarily an upgrade. It's just one of those Things, uh, let's let's see. What's the cost of a steam deck screen right now? You can get in and fix it right? Yeah, I'm looking at iFix because they are the official store for steam deck parts For the 512 gigabyte version of the screen It's 99 dollars It's the same price It's the same exact price so If you had to replace your screen you might as well go with the higher Uh resolution one because it's the same price But if you're searching if you're searching for this because you're expecting it to be an upgrade It's not it's not the upgrade it if it had high if it had a higher refresh rate It'd be Awesome more of a downgrade. It's more of a downgrade on the better now battery front. Yeah, honestly though I have looked into like lcd screen production before and it is actually kind of hard to find like a small screen like that That's actually good. That's not like smaller because uh typically typically Small screens that have like ridiculously high refresh rates are phone sized and not exactly uh seven inches or tablet sized The only one that really owns that market is apple because ipads other than that Well, you find really all of the cheap ones in the fucking world Samsung is the only display manufacturer really i mean lg's kind of gotten into it, but the Samsung if you want to source a display between the 5.9 and 8 inch Display range has to come from sam has to come from samsung and And they're so caught up when it comes to contract with apple and doing their own stuff that I mean a small company is going to have a really hard time getting Uh merchandise from them when it comes to this kind of stuff plus i'm sure i'm sure that there's the whole It's like a licensing chipsets and stuff from qualcom or whatever you have to deal with all the licenses and uh patents shit and stuff so It It's just another one of those things that you get to kind of go back to and think about Man, it's kind of it feels like it's going to be a really long time before we see a same deck too Okay, because every single part here, you know, they have to deal with the chipset and the you know the Network stuff and all of the other stuff. It's not going to be the little piddly stuff that they're going to problem with It's going to be the screen. It's going to be the network stuff It's going to be the chipset, you know when it comes to when it comes to a device like this I don't necessarily like what a yearly update anyway I'd rather treat it like a game console. We're just like we get new game consoles every five to six years. So i'm fine with that And for the honesty, i'm fine with it for the most part. I agree with you But when you're in a new Category that you basically created the biggest way to fail Is to allow your competitors to innovate faster than you can well, uh valve didn't even create this category. Well Rejuvenated this category. Let's put that even rejuvenate it Yeah, they did can't can I raise you than this the uh nintendo switch? Yeah That's I don't think the nintendo switch and the the the steam deck are comparable at all Uh, when it comes to video game devices I put them in the exact same category because I do not see the steam deck as a desktop computer Yeah, I disagree with you because you can't you can't The name the number of triple a games you can play on the steam deck Or on the on the on the switch Uh, how many nintendo titles are there? Those aren't triple a titles and we all know it It's mario man. I would I would put super smash brothers as a triple a title Okay, so that was okay one. Okay. Yeah smash brothers mario zelda How about this call? Can you play call of duty an actual call of duty on there or just a nerf version like you used to be able to I believe the actual call of duty is on there Is it I mean it's new to me because it might must be new anyways. It doesn't matter. Um, that's it for us on this one Oh, wait a minute. Hold on a second. I forgot something thingies of the week. I forgot thingies of the week How could I possibly do that? Let's move on to the thingies of the week So the last section that we do every week on the podcast is where we we uh find our we call them picks We could have called them picks. We ended up calling them thingies. So uh, josh your thingy of the week Uh, obviously, you know, we Matt and I were mentioning it earlier here. Uh, and I am known as an i3 hater But of course my pick this week is sway Uh, which you know, some people might be a little bit surprised by but I have fallen in love with uh sway as My new found replacement for cage, which uh cage cage is a weyland display mark is a weyland, uh compositor that is just a kiosk And that's how I'm using sway as a kiosk application And uh, you know, it's been super stable Uh, the load times are infinitely faster than cage because cage doesn't cage doesn't preload gtk or qt themes whatsoever but thankfully sway does And uh, you know, the configuration is actually in a file and not part of the shell command you have to call for for uh cage Uh, it am I picking it for desktop usage? No Because you know, it's running my home theater computer, which is over there Can we can I ask you a question is Is how you were saying that word Kiosk, is that how you actually pronounce that? Or that's how I pronounce. I always thought it was coice, but the fuck to find it's k. It's kiosk Kiosk or kiosk kiosk kiosk kiosk English is hard. Let's speak something. It's a it's a french word. It's a french word. It's kiosk Well, we should have just said that the americans took You steal everything man, and we make it better. All right. Anyways, uh, josh or steve you're about thinking of the week Thinking of the week. I'm wearing right now. It's called the uh, amaze fit p-rex 2 smartwatch because Uh, my apple watch died Uh Natural death natural causes and don't worry. It's age It's a it was a series two not a series seven or a series eight. We're up to the eight and upcoming is nine Oh It's like six seven generations old. What is your new? What is your new watch run with operating system? Zepo s It's not android Yeah, it's zepo s And I made sure that it doesn't run android because android doesn't work with ios and I have an ios device So I needed something that worked with ios And for one hundred and fifty bucks Retail This watch is beyond amazing. It's got 25 25 day battery life If you turn everything off like I do anything related to the heart rate for any any health related features gps And that has a dual band satellite connection. I turned all that off. I don't care for that All I needed is for push notifications and call id Uh So you can turn all that stuff off and you don't have to charge the watch every single night Last for 50 day for 40 days, uh You would be a prime candidate for a hybrid smartwatch one of those ones that one of those ones that just do push notifications until the time Yeah, I know pebble. I wanted the pebble watch. I couldn't find the pebble watch I only found one listing on ebay and it was used and I don't trust that those stuff Well, the the company of pebble doesn't exist anymore. I know it's it was bought by fitbit then fitbit was bought by google So By your pine 64 watch and use that I want performance, please I don't want the when I scroll I have to wait five minutes for the thing to show But anyway, this watch is amazing and The most important part for me was support for custom watch faces by the watch face community There's a separate app called aw maze Watch faces The mace with watches That gives me access the entire Watch face community and everything I spent like three hours today Just playing around with watch faces. I found one that was purple pink the colors of zero linux Didn't like it too much because it clashes with the black and red design of the watch I stayed on black and red and Best part of this of this thing is at I don't have to charge. I don't have to charge it every every night and every two nights. It's I don't know what it is. I've never really understood the the Disinterest in just charging your watch overnight. I just put my watch on the charger with my phone every night I don't want to wear you don't have electricity here Remember. Oh, that's true. My whole thing is that you know, I'm used to like Having a watch and then never have and then never have thing to Burge my watch because I don't all the watches that I ever owned were either Wind up but you take your watch Work for years at a time you take your watch off at night when you go to sleep though, right? Or during the day now, right? You just take your watch off. You don't wear while you go to sleep. Do you? Yeah, no, not really. Okay. So what's the difference between taking it off and sitting it on your dresser and then taking it off and just sitting on a charger? I mean, I mean There's not a difference. I don't even wear a watch So you saw your argument has moved. No. All right. Anyways. No, but but Suffice it to say that today all with all the playing it was the 71 Percent when I started playing with it just the when I got it this morning It's 69. No So how long until we get the zero time? Zero time in 40 days, but this is the first charge. I haven't charged it since I got it I'm gonna let it drain for the first time and then charge it Then from this is the first cycle. You don't count it Once it's drained and you charge it for the first time then you start counting how I've had my watch on since I woke up this morning and I'm down to 82 percent total And I have everything. What is your smart watch? I have the galaxy watch for the classic version Okay, that has a three-day battery life if I'm not mistaken Two if I'm lucky, but I charge it every night. So I don't care. I'm not gonna wear it to bed So I just it just I just set it on the charge of it The whole the whole point for me buying this watch is because all the smart watches I had before like the apple watch series two and the pebble time steal before that They were not salt water resistant They tell you four meters And I traveled to Greece, dude I in Greece you go to the beach So I needed to take something that could forget on my wrist take a shower To the beach go to the go go to the pool without ever having to worry about taking it off I like something stick on my wrist forever Weird, okay, um, I'm sure I'm sure most people Maybe I'm the weird one that just takes it off when I you know, I'm gonna get wet I mean like I'm like, I'm gonna take a shower. I'm not gonna take my watch in there We I'll be honest with you if you have a plastic wristband. Yeah, I would understand because it Tends to start to stink after a while That's why the first thing I'm gonna do next week is go to Beirut With my friends to have lunch and we're gonna drop by a watch place and ask them if they have Proper leather band Leather through that. Yeah, metal. Why not? Matt. Oh, Matt. I mean, I guess no steel stainless steel That's what I love. I have a fabric and actually I prefer a fabric works. Yeah, it's just more comfortable than Like something heavy and this is too light on my wrist. I need something heavy I want to be able to bash someone across the head with You know with my watch and just murder them. All right Anyway, so my thinking of the week just really simple So everybody knows that I like to create themes for my window manager and I've long since had a reputation for that But no longer I no longer have to do that because I I didn't discover pie wall not about pie wall for a long time But I haven't used it in a while and I saw someone using pie wall On the discord with hyperland and when I went to when I was trying hyperland for that little while I was like, well, maybe I just don't need to do a whole bunch of themes I was just I'll just use pie wall to do my thing for me I didn't end up sticking with hyperland, but I did decide to install pie wall With q-tile and man is it this is so good I had forgotten how good it actually is at creating a color scheme that works really really well You just change your wallpaper and I've you know, I created a script and it just you know Every time I hit a key binding inside of ranger It changes the wallpaper changes the q-tile theme changes the Terminal theme changes the firefox theme because it's there's a firefox plugin that you can use in order to have it take on the color So it's really good. Now. The only downside is is that it hasn't been updated in forever So if you're one of those people who care that a project hasn't been And it's still on the aur and not on mainline the repository Yeah, I don't I don't care words as long as I can download it. I don't mind Um, so if you care that it hasn't been updated in a while then you won't want to use it But I don't care because it still works just fine. So, um, yeah, I will definitely feature complete Maybe it's feature complete. It could be it has a couple errors So there are some bugs that they could fix the the biggest issues that the developer seems to have just gone completely a wall No response some For issues or anything, but that's you know, whatever someone else has forked it with a the ability to use more colors I haven't been able to get that to build yet. So I'm It's called pi wall 16. Yeah color. Yep Uh, anyways, uh, that's it for this episode of linux cast We record this live every saturday at three o'clock p.m. Eastern time We usually go for an hour and a half to close to two hours, but we did pretty good at constraining ourselves this week So, uh, linux cast, uh, youtube.com slash linux cast if you want to watch this live Hit the subscribe button and the notification bell if you want to make sure you get all the notifications for when we do Actually go live. I appreciate that. Um, you can, uh, support me on patreon page on dot com slash linux cast Thanks to everybody who does support me on patreon. You guys are all Absolutely amazing without you the chance for not being anywhere near where it is right now So thank you so very very much for your support. I truly do appreciate it I know I have a couple of brand new patrons that I haven't managed to Contact yet. I haven't just gotten there yet. So thanks to the new guys as well Thanks everybody for watching again every saturday three o'clock p.m. Eastern time Catch us live. We'll see you next week for before we before we end. I want to just say one thing Uh, everybody on arch if you notice there's no updates, uh coming is because they're merging repositories extra I mean community will be merged with extra But and and community will be empty and all the migration will end Tomorrow at some point The whatever time go to the arch linux.org website to check out So you're saying right now, right now is not a good time for me to install arch linux You just installed gen 2. I saw you do it Yeah, I saw gen 2 on that computer. Okay. All right. Anyways If you run an update and And you notice that it's going way too quickly for some reason and you're getting no updates. That's why Okay, thank you for that steve. Uh, anyways, we'll see you next week