 And it says the bit where bit rate is low Yeah, I dropped mine to 3,000 Should not be low because I think I have it set for 5,000 50 100 yeah Why doesn't known to say we'll tap to click by default No apparently got Because they're copying Apple Apple has it turned off by default. Is it really okay? All right. Hey everybody welcome to the stream if you guys can hear The audio if you'd please let us know how it is. This is me saying some words the same welcome everybody Josh some words, please I'm saying even more creative words because I highly doubt that anybody can hear me whatsoever because you know I'm using this crappy software called pulse audio like a savage because that's the default on this operating system of choice That I'm using this week. Thanks, Matt. I'm using pulse audio to okay, and Steve some words Hello, I'm coming to you from pipe wire I'm the only one on the bleeding edge He's from the future Well, I think Matt's on more bleeding edge than I am well except for I'm using red core ships with pipe or pulse audio by default It probably does it. Oh, no, it definitely does pipe where it does not exist on the system. I looked Well, of course it does control I'm a control action natively supports pipe pipe wire these days, too. Yeah. Well, yeah, it does so does pulse mixer, which is cool um If you can get it to build in the distro that you're in yep Which is unfortunately not the case on every distro. Okay, so welcome to the Linux cast podcast Stream thing Majig that we do every week. We are running a little bit late But that's just because I had a panic attack when the audio wasn't recording your all right speaking of recording I should also be recording Don't turn it on yet. We ain't there yet. Oh It's like you're new dude. We've done this like three or four weeks in a row now. No, no, I'm terrible All right, I Think I though I'm ready to go So if you guys are watching this afterwards after the stream is over I usually forget to say this until the end, but there will be timestamps eventually They usually show up around 8 p.m. Eastern time or so So if you want to stop here and jump around you should be able to do so later on so Just know that there will be timestamps eventually, but they're not there yet. So we're gonna go ahead and get started I'm gonna hit record in Audacity and make sure I'm actually having some Sound going there, which is good And I'm hit record in OBS if you guys want to go ahead and hit recording and then I also hit record on Audacity, but recording stereo and I'm using a mono device. So that's fine. I can fix it. Yeah, it's easier It's easy you to pull it out and um, Steve you're recording. Yeah Okay, you can leave those off on claps if you'd like one two three Not even close. We were like We've been doing starting at one. I'm so confused. We always started three Okay, okay, we did so great last time. I know from the Middle East we start from one, but okay I'm gonna do it American style. Okay Three two one Josh. Did you even clap? I Can't hear yeah, I can't hear you at all dude say some words Oh, you guys don't you guys don't you have some talk talk clap at the same time. No can't hear the claps Really? Yeah, I look at discord. I bet you have the noise cancellation on It's definitely showing up in audacity. I could tell you that much. That's really all that matters, but still Let's see. Let's see. Let's see. Yes, it is on we will turn that off Third time that often they're off. Okay clap here. I try the last try Go ahead Steve Yeah, okay Three two one not even cause it's fine. I'll figure it out Hey It's an audacity. I can see the spike Yeah, I can see the spike too, but you your we can't hear it for some something is deleting it. Hmm Really good noise cancellation Really very good is I didn't hear it at all Nvidia noise cancellation. Yeah something get that RTX voice gone Yeah, so it's okay as long as it appears in audacity, that's really all it matters That's where I have to line it up as at so it should be fine. Okay, so let's go ahead and actually I need to make sure that I have the Show notes ready to go. Where the hell are those? Over there in here Okay, so I have way too many I can I can see I'm gonna take audacity and Put that up in the shade. I'm gonna put them. I think I'm gonna put OBS and I can't put OBS in a shade I wonder if I put The captured window in a shade if that will stop recording it will it does stop recording. That's a shame That'd be really cool. Let me capture some of those in a shade. All right. That's fine. Okay Let's go ahead and get started you guys ready Yep Excellent. Okay, so Steve unfortunately, I'm gonna have to ask you last again. Just so I know where your voice is So me Josh then Steve. Okay. Okay Hey everybody, welcome to the next cast. I'm your host Matt and I'm Josh And I'm Steve. Yes. He is. All right. So this is the Linux cast We talked about legacy things and once again, we're sans Tyler. He's still in Hawaii of all places The lot of Lulu. Yeah, like he showed pictures. So he's actually there. This is not just him, you know playing hooky He's actually in Hawaii, which is you know, he still should have done the Mickey Mouse cruise I'm just saying it's it would have been a better experience all around. All right Anyways, so no title this week, but this is the Linux cast we carry on because that's what we do So we this week we're gonna be talking about a whole bunch of awesome news But first let's talk about what we've done this week in Linux Josh. You can go first Well, I once again attempted installing Arch Linux and it failed miserably like usual with Arch Because Arch is a wonderfully terribly a stable distribution for Pacman works. Well Pacman doesn't work But everything else regarding the network does But you know as a result I get posting about this on the internal chat that we have here as as host of the show and Matt's just like I did I challenge you to stick to distro for six months after I just freshly installed this wonderful operating system Here which by the way first of all very first thing here mandatory neofetch We've got it. We got to get the mandatory neofetch right now. This is Debian stable that Matt has forced upon me until like mid-August or something like that the the absolute Frame by frame of that we got because your video flick crackled. Well, you did that. That was hilarious. It was great Um, awesome OBS virtual camera. It's it's good and good solidly reliable because we're using OBS We're using the native package not the flat pack. You definitely use the flat back. It's way better And anyways, um, yeah, I did not force you to do anything. I said you could bet you did I just challenged your manhood I Didn't believe you could do it Don't worry don't worry Matt because I'm I'm a hundred percent more certain that I will that I will outlast you in this challenge because you You're thinking about cheating I'm not cheating at all. I I I promise I will use Debian I will not gonna do any for virtual machine shenanigans or anything. Okay, I will use this system All right, so Steve you had some stuff you wanted to talk about go ahead All right, so before I get into the serious stuff I want to talk about I've been doing jet GPT for the past. I don't know four days and I'm in love with that thing It can have my babies Other than that on a more serious note, I would like to call on all Anyone who's watching who can help Currently I couldn't I didn't raise enough money this month to pay the heating bills We currently don't have any heating. You don't have hot water. We don't have water. We don't have any of that so if anyone could Throw in a few pennies or or whatever Towards the fundraiser that Matt will link in the show notes. Thanks Matt Because I tried I keep on trying putting things on Patreon interesting things may maybe people would Are interested would be interested in Donating for or joining for or whatever it's called But apparently nothing I do is interesting enough I tried and that's one of the reasons why zero G was put behind the Behind the ISO was put behind the donation wall This was an attempt from me to give something in return For for people that will that would be able to help me In my situation and we recently suffered a earthquake not as strong as the one that because it originated from Turkey where it was 7.8 on the Richter scale Here it was 4.5. It was the river berations as they called as it comes in whatever But we're the situation in Lebanon is not getting any better. It's getting worse Today as I'm talking to you guys the value of the dollar has increased by 75% So now it's at 70,000 Lebanese pounds for the dollar used to be 35,000 Less than a month ago. Now it's 75,000 so Yeah, so if anyone could help please do I'm not asking to buy myself a shiny new toy or anything It's just need to pay the heating bills and I couldn't make it this month If you can on a monthly basis, that'll be great patreon as well would help Whatever anything would help Matt yep. All right, let's go ahead. Well, I should guess I should talk about myself for a minute before we move on So I too I was the originator of the challenge because I challenged Josh because you know, I'm an asshole He just hops all the time man, but he house from the Tyler does Anyway, so I challenged him to a duel And he took the the the easy way out and chose Debbie and and then he gave me I just showed where I had installed at the time Then he gives I'd I being the dumbass that I am Decided that I was gonna let him choose the distro that I'm using for the next week And he gave me a list of like eight of them 90% of them were not options. I did look at endless OS It was a curious look see but I don't think I could deal with the whole user interface of that anyway, so I Ended up on Redcore and here is my obligatory neo fetch for For everyone that's on the stream. I'm sorry. I can't share it with you Josh, but you'll have to see it on the stream It's fine. There's a back catalog. There's that anyways. Yes. I'm actually doing the podcast from Gen 2 It's basically Gen 2. It's whatever Gen 2 based distribution and it has been an experience. I made a video about it yesterday and it's um It's been very stable. I guess been it's been very good. I've only had a couple problems with packages I couldn't get pseudo and to install because it was masked and I couldn't figure out how to unmask it So I'll have to figure that out later. I just went with due as it's fine And for whatever reason X screensaver is installed, but not installed. It's really weird. So Those are the things that I've been having problems with and yeah I'm on a gen 2 based distro, which is really weird and I don't have a single fedora installed right now Not a single one Not even like the one behind me has archcraft on it My laptop has Redcore. This has Redcore I think the think pad that I have out in the living room is still on the LTS version of Ubuntu Which is about Taking a challenge seriously. Yeah. Um, so no fedora for me. The other thing that I did this week That's I abandoned firefox Okay Me and my browsers I can't find a browser that I like What were you using? I was using firefox and Oh, but after firefox, I moved it. I moved of Evaldi I Don't me that makes me happy. I can't it's not as bad as I thought it was was but there's still so many things that just their tab groups which they call stacks are not nearly as good as Simple tabs groups and firefox not even close like you can't the only way to add once its stack is created the only way you can add a New tab to it outside of adding a tab while you're in the group if you want to add an outside tab to the stack you can either drag and drop it or Theoretically, you're supposed to be able to select both the stack and the new tab and combine them with the either the Actions menu or right-click, right? That that does no longer exist. It's not in the browser anymore I'm not there removed it. Yeah, so whatever but Why can't I just right-click on a tab and say hey add this to a stack that happens to have a name? Like that's what I that's what I desperately want to be able to do You want to know you want to know the weird thing? Well hold on a second here. That option was there And they took it out. Yeah so Since Matt is talking about browser tabs right now if you're in the chat right now Tell us how many browser tabs you have open right now, Matt. You also have to tell us how many browser tabs Yeah, you have open right now. I have seven myself. What do you have Steve? One two three four five six seven eight nine ten seven twelve Eighteen eighteen, okay Matt you have like a hundred twenty seven though you seventy two, okay No, wait, no wait you want to talk about weird my best friend has Separate browsers each browser has two hundred and fifty six tabs open. I usually One is for Amazon 256 tabs one is for YouTube 256 tabs one is for Lebanese What could you possibly? Does it like keep a wish list of all the things that he wants to buy from Amazon? He doesn't he doesn't believe in bookmarks or Any of that and Aldi and he uses windows I have I have bookmarks, but I don't use them for like the biggest tab stack that I have is ideas for videos And I have all those things in a tab and I just prefer to have them there instead of Yanking the URL and putting in a note or something I could do that But then I'd have to open them back up and I'd never see them again by having them in a in a tab group They're in front of my face, you know every once in a while and I can be inspired by them If I put them in a note program, I switched note programs like all the damn time that note would get lost Garen f&t You know me, but he has them he has them on you know this sidebar on the left side And he's you have to scroll scroll scroll scroll to find all the tabs It's um and it's so cancerous because you know I make liberal use of control tab key to like cycle through tabs in the browser and I can't imagine doing that with that many tabs Well, I don't I don't use that. I just use my mouse like a normal person He's got he's got tabs that that are Maybe six to seven months old. They might the page might be dead the article might be deleted But that's why he keeps them open And he keeps them cached. So in case the page is deleted. He still can read it I mean there are some things about Vivaldi that I do like and I'll probably talk about this in a video later on But the the dual layer tabs that you can use for the stacks is kind of cool It definitely solved my problem with their stacks where because with simple tab groups and Firefox You get a drop-down menu of your groups and then you can switch between them and it hides the group that you're not that's not active with With Vivaldi the groups aren't hidden. So they're always there which is unfortunate. I wish there was more of a drop-down menu, but With having the dual it double layer stacks, which you guys can actually see this like I can show this on camera I you get tabs in two layers. The second layer is the group and you can pin you can pin groups But if you have pinned a group, you can't add any tabs to those groups if they're if it's pinned you have to unpin it in order to add tabs to the group And if you even if you add to add a tab within the group Instead of outside of the group, which you can't do if it's pinned then it unpins itself for a minute and tell you Close the tab that you added. It's it's not a great implementation, but It's good enough that I've been here. I've stick around. We'll see if I stay from from a from a I don't know how many years the seven eight years user of Vivaldi I can tell you one thing ever since they moved to version five From four They removed a lot of useful features They are concentrating heavily on email and implementation and social implementation in the In the left panel in the panel wherever you position it at when you're creating your setting up your Vivaldi I put it on the left, but some people put it on the right or at the bottom or on top But wherever you put it they're targeting Emails and social so much. It's unbelievable. It's like with every new version that gets pushed I receive because I I have a Vivaldi account. I have an email at Vivaldi.net a Webmail, sorry. I Keep receiving emails about. Oh, did you know you can add your email to your panel? Oh, did you know you could add start using your social media in the panel today? I'm like, I don't want an email client in my web browser If I if I were if I was going to use email in the browser I'd just go to the web mail. I just go to Gmail, you know, it'd be fine hell I'm like really disappointed at what they're targeting these days but If ignoring if they made tab sacks better It would be a good it would be a really good browser as it is. They're just passable. I missed simple tab groups now Somebody asked me like Matt, why did you switch away from Firefox? And it's the stupidest reason but it's it's a death by a set thousand cuts every time Mozilla does something It just pisses me off these days and this last one with them adding the The extensions menu like I know I know that Vivaldi has an extensions menu and Chrome has an extensions menu But the Firefox thing them adding it broke user Chrome Which was one of the biggest reasons why I used Firefox to begin with and it's just they already had that features Like it was like you already had an overflow menu that was there that was opt-in You know that people could choose to use this you can't choose to use and then they they're gonna disable the because as of right now You can disable the extensions menu via like about about config. They're taking that away in the next version It's gonna be gone. You can't eat there. There is an extension. I would recommend. I highly recommend you use in Vivaldi called extensify It drops down it shows you a complete list of your extensions and you can Disable them one by one for some websites like for example, there's a there's a YouTube extension that blocks video ads For YouTube and allows you to customize YouTube to your liking And setting videos not to autoplay a lot of features You you can disable it temporarily because sometimes it breaks the ability to make super chats for some reason, but It's very useful and I use it a lot because it allows me to disable extensions on a per site basis and Shows you all your extensions in a drop-down menu Color me weird. I just use chromium I the the tab groups and chromium are just not good that they I also just closed tabs lame seriously, dude lame I Rely, I I have an extension called history It just keep I can save my sessions As custom sessions and I can open them whenever I want it never forgets them It just saves them and I back up my Vivaldi folder between install Yeah, I don't I think you can you can save sessions in Vivaldi by default. You don't need that No, it doesn't remember them a Lot that's another issue. I have it with Vivaldi when it crashes for example It doesn't give you an option to Restore your last session not all the time so with that one I ensure that I have all my sessions locally saved as a as a file in the profile folder Okay, and when I back up when I back that folder up between installs when I restore it I have everything back as normal All right, we wasted way too much time talking about Vivaldi, but it was a good conversation. Let's go ahead and jump in the news Steve, why don't you go first? All right, I'm going first. Yay Miracle has happened Well, I want to start with the gnome making it easier to track running backgrounds This story piqued my interest because coming from Windows, which doesn't make it easy to find background Not even KDE Some reason but the developer George Basile Bernice name Tabrakas Greek name Lebanese and Greek. I wonder who's Lebanese and Greek in this group Added background apps monitoring to flat packs xdg desktop portal expose exposing To expose background running applications via deba So so that desktops desktops can develop richer interfaces around background running apps That will make it easier to develop an extension. For example on gnome That will show background running apps in the quick settings menu. I've been waiting for this all since I actually Legitimately useful on gnome because sometimes with the way that gnome works for the uninitiated gnome does not use a task manager or a task tray So when you minimize something and like it would it goes around in the in the background on a normal desktop system You would expect it to actually be in in your application tray Which I know I've given it like three different names, but generally you would know what I'm talking about But because gnome doesn't offer that you've got no actual notification of what's actually running in the background Yeah, and good luck on KDE doing that as well. You have to launch task manager or whatever and It's it's very Convoluted well, I like to not an easy task to do because especially if they're using it like a Everything everything on Linux is a running task. It's given a task ID, right? Yeah, yeah because of that you can't tell what's supposed to be user facing and What's somebody would actually want to know is right like you don't like you know system D's running But you don't need to know it like you just it's it's there Like it's not like a music player in the background like so that's what KDE that's the problem with KDE You go to task manager shows you everything even services that you need well That's it with this one from what I understand about Linux, which is very little obviously There's no way to from what I know to tell what's a Tasks that people are supposed to know about and what's just a regular system task because they're all just given a number They're all Exactly the same Except yeah, but right but with this with this implementation from what I read on the development on the merge request It's filtering out System stuff from applications your Looking for from what I'm gathering here application looks like Yeah, from what I'm gathering it basically looks like for any for any application that would actually have like a GUI component to it That's what that's all it's tracking. Hmm. Yes, correct. So I like his implementation of it and If KDE can hey, Nicolo Wink-wink Would do something like that or suggest it. I'm gonna suggest it myself, but you Help me, but you need to have this in KDE It's a must. It's very interesting and And here's here's the thing guys. I wanted to join you On the challenge by using gnome, but when you said six months I was like I'd rather shoot myself on the foot. Also, it was a it was a distro challenge not a DE challenge Well, you see all he has to do is just uninstall a zero Linux install arch Linux It's still are there technically two different districts, right? I guess technically you could if you're do you ain't cheating you ain't trying Anyway, I Installed gnome and as Josh mentioned Doc gnome On my second hard drive and I'll be back dome is best of an ad right is king Well, I'd like that is all I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're on GTK for it's different is different now. I swear You're on my second Completely banned For a month not six but a month. I want to see how far I can go I use gnome for a month. It was fine. I Immediately switched away from it after the month was over. Okay, Josh. Why don't you take us to the next one? Well in the meantime, I want to talk about some things that people might consider bad We're lot we're Linux is going to be disabling high-resolution scrolling for logitech devices connected via USB basically your mouse wheel scroll is Going to change why Because okay, so the main reason why is because of the way Is that the logitech scrolling wheel here as I pull out a logitech device to show to you? It's a very nice scroll wheel. Yes. It's got a very good feel to it and everything however However the pulling rate for the scrolling wheel in in logitech devices is actually higher than a standard USB mouse So as a result you can scroll faster and farther, which is not uniform with everything else Especially with the with the Logitech Mx master Yeah So is this something that somebody will be able to add back into? The functionality like through like an app or a service. Yeah, and gnome. Yes. Well, what we're saying is There is an extension that I use in gnome that allows you to control the polling rate Well, there's actually a xdg port desktop portal Implementation that will actually standardize scrolling across all devices and it will set it per pixel That is nice right and per line, which is how it's normally counted this is actually a Solution coming downstream from how chromium is handling it because chromium has its own Implementation of actual of actual window scrolling whereas something like Firefox will rely on your toolkit to do it for for you But there is there is an exception You know how the on the Mx master you can flick the scroll wheel and it keeps infinite scroll. Yep. I Haven't seen that on Linux yet Support it. Well, we'll see if it becomes a thing that's available. I Love that thing on my mx master you flick especially on long articles you flick it and then you stop it when you need to I Have Alcom huge heckball I have the Mx ergo and No way. No way shut up. Show it to me. Show it to me. It was just on screen Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I am not I'm not on this for some reason He's showing it. It's like there which you have my sister my sister mouse. Yeah. Yeah, I have your sister I also have the logic you guys like the same. I can remember like here's my You're refused to show us your videos so I have no idea what it looks like Oh, yeah, I sorry, man. The people in the stream can see that I'm holding holding up the same mouse That's great. I turned my computer on behind me by the way. It's great. I am a logic tech. I'm a logic tech fanatic Yeah, I Know like a logitech has been my standard for mice and cheap five dollar keyboards for a very long time So that's what so I have so when it comes to pro for devices like that That's I typically steer towards logic because you know, it's good reliable cheap crap Yeah, you want cheap you want cheap. I got the G Deadliest whatever it's called. You also need to clean it. It's awful dusty. I have a thousand dollars worth of keyboards in this room Not the only one Matt, you're not the only one I got the ROG Whatever it's called. Let's see. I've got this random think think fight keyboard. I've got this five dollar Amazon basics keyboard And that keyboard is four pounds. I have this wonderful wireless Keyboard that transmits over Bluetooth 2.4 gigahertz and RF It's I like it aka the Linus keyboard. Yes, uh, I Also have this keyboard that I bought for like 150 bucks because all the parts for it was on sale. So I bought it and put it together Okay, and I can't buy any replacement parts for because it just continued everything. Yay I'm not a logitech person. By the way, I have a logitech mouse here. I don't it's fine I'm gonna get another huge because the outcome huge is just so good How can you how can you control the trackball with your with your those fingers? I cannot I can only control it with a thumb I'll be honest with you I kind of do want to pick up a finger ball because I do a lot of work where it's just like some I need that I need the precision of the finger ball compared to the thumb ball. I'm more I'm much more accurate with a with a finger tracker than I am with a thumb tracker It's just always it's just been you play FPS games with a finger tracker. I can't play FPS games with a regular mouse horrible at aiming so I can't play with a with a game controller. I can't aim where the damn Anyways, let's go ahead move on to the next one speaking of gaming So I bought a steam deck. I'm not gonna talk about it here today. There's a reason why didn't talk about it earlier I'm gonna talk about it next week. But anyways framework. Yes, that framework has begun offering a 2 terabyte SSD upgrade for the steam deck and As far as I know, this is the first Non framework hardware that they're offering like for other devices. Usually it's just their stuff. I may be wrong about that I'm not sure but they're offering it's $300 so it is Very pricey given the fact that the steam deck itself is like 349 but if you are If you have a steam deck and you need more Storage, this is one of the first two terabyte SSDs that are out there in the size that the steam deck you know Actually requires because it requires that little bitty non-standard NVMe drive which is terrible. I mean they also sell like standard NVMe drives, too Yeah, but why Matt why why? Don't open the steam deck. Don't touch the screw leave them pristine Beautiful al dente. Well, you see Matt what you do is you buy a hardware for that server case that I sent you like a few months back You put everything in there and then just tell the steam deck to mount Your drives over there on your on your freshly built NAS server and just have a remote mounted steam library The latency would be driven. Oh, you could probably actually you could it's what I do probably want run steam play on there And it probably work pretty good. Um, yeah What I was talking about is external drives connected via the dock of some kind and you're good Don't don't don't why would you what is it with you people and the steam deck is a mobile? Console don't plug it into a dock unless you have to um, like no, I'm not saying I'm not taking my dock into the bathroom so I can play dead cells, you know, that's what that's why you use the NFS belt like I said Um, I'm giggling giggling a dog. I did get us As an SD card that should be here sometime today my steam that grew a tail. Yeah Anyways, I'll talk more about the steam deck next week. It is it is I don't know What we'll see we'll see after a week of use if it's changing I'm sorry Steve. It's okay. All right. 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I don't know why that's not in the show notes I probably should put that there then I'd remember to say it email at the linuxcast.org I do read all the emails that do come in I don't respond to them, you know as well as I should I have been Just bear in mind that if you want to send an email apparently it you have to send it to Only Matt has access to an email. It doesn't get forwarded to either Steve or myself. So I'm stingy with it Cuz I it's used to log into the YouTube account. So It's fine. Just go to my website. I have an email link in there Yeah, anyway, if you do have questions for the guys, I will forward it to them and when I don't know anything I forwarded an email this week to Josh so he can answer it So it does worry literally sent sent a response through eVax just a spite man And he got banned He's asking for a band. Okay. Anyways, Steve Your second one My second one is a pretty big one It's Fedora Asahi aims to provide the Fedora workstation experience for Apple Silicon system Yeah, baby if I have as Apple since I have an Apple MacBook not a silicon one unfortunately, but It's on the way Because there's a article after that that mentions drivers for the touch bar being re-implemented into the kernel That's beside the point This one just mentions how how much work is being done on porting Asahi's work into Fedora So basically the current the only current way to Install install Linux on a on a M1 or M2 based MacBook is To install the asahi arch Linux distribution not anymore. They're working on On a project called Fedora Asahi which will port all the Thing of a bobs from Asahi to Fedora They're calling it Fedora Asahi remix So it's very far along They have they on Foronix they embedded the whole keynote talking about that the guys from Jupiter Broadcasting actually installed it on a on hardware this week talked about it Maybe it was last week on their podcast Linux unplugged and apparently it's really far along like it actually works No, there's no GPU Acceleration and they said Thunderbolt wasn't working and audio wasn't working yet But other than that it was completely usable They already they already ported over the The patch versions of the Linux kernel Mesa and related bits to ease Fedora experience on the latest Apple Mac systems like with Asahi Linux All right other than that It the only thing it's missing basically is hardware acceleration. That's the biggest thing Other than that you can already It can be tested if you head on to their wiki and Website where you download a download a script via curl and then pipe it in the bash. Yeah Totally secure guys. They totally do that all the time no matter what every time you do that for everything definitely do it But it's it's good news for Apple owners and one and M2 owners But well not yet for me, but the good news for me is that they restarted the Implementation the driver the touch bar driver implementation into the kernel was halted long time ago But now it's re it's being restarted. Oh, I'm hoping I'm hoping If you zero Linux on my MacBook please Maybe one of these days in the future never but anyways speaking of you know Apple devices One of my favorite Apple devices is actually a feature that I have personally never used But I always thought was really cool and that is the touch bar And of course there has been yet another attempt to Push a touch bar driver upstream into into the Linux kernel Therefore making the world's greatest device that I've never used because I would never buy the products even better however Like I said, I've never used a touch bar. I have no idea how well it actually works even through Apple's implementation But I don't know how I feel about a missing physical escape key Yeah As function keys man, I need function keys as as an owner of a MacBook with a touch bar. I Can agree it Turned on. Okay. No, you turn that off. This is a Linux podcast. Get that out of here, man I'm gonna be by myself. I'm banning both of you Well, I just I just want to agree with you a hundred percent the missing escape key a physical escape key is killing me That said on this pharaonics article, you can see that there's a button for man page Which I think that would be pretty awesome if that button actually opens up a man page when you hit it and That's actually one of my favorite features of like the touch bar. The concept is actually really solid Of course Matt's gonna miss his function keys because apparently he uses the function keys I don't even have a keyboard that has function keys on it either. So I'm not gonna All the time Not but I have keyboards that don't have mine. I'm usually fine because you could put on a layer But here's me. It'd be really cool seeing how they've abandoned the touch bar Apple has if they open source the hardware for it You know, it would be really cool if they if they not only open source the software for it But you know like a remove patents on their hardware, which you know, they would never do no No, I want to open source the hardware. I'm gonna Will work what we can we've found ways of making software that works on it on Apple hardware before that's fine But if they made if they open source the hardware of the touch bar people could make like standalone keyboards with a touch bar That'd be kind of cool. It's not gonna happen. Yeah, it'd be cool Yeah, I mean make the steam back make the steam deck or a stream deck not the steam deck to stream deck better. Yep Valve really did themselves no favors with that name Intentionally, I Legitimately think that they did it intentionally they were just that they were I Guarantee you that there's a valve developer that came up with the idea for the steam deck And he's just like, why am I gonna call this thing? Well, I'm sitting here. I'm hitting these buttons on my stream deck Why don't I just call it the steam deck? I used to call it something I used to call the steam deck something else because it's so close to steam bleep Sensored myself. I just discovered something. I just discovered something with this device There's an LED right here. Yeah, and as it sleeps it blinks. I know I Never had a think pad before. This is my first think pad. What is wrong with you? Every Linux nerd has a think pad. Well now I have one too Even I used to I used to have one back in the 90s I have like a T4 20 or something. I'm just like, what is this red light? You're like, oh my goodness. I did not really know that it actually does that. Yeah. Yes I as of an hour ago, I became a think pad owner well two hours ago I think there are scripts online somewhere for Linux that you can run to control that and they can have it When gets you when you like have like a notification. I think that those exist Somewhere why you what's your favorite part of the of the think pad Josh? so far So if he doesn't say the keyboard he's banned I This keyboard I've used in my server rack for a very long time and that's just because you know It's a it's a keyboard that has the included mouse functionality of the touch point So as a result, I'm used to I'm used to the track point and it works great and wonderful the think pad The the keyboard on the think pad actually has less flex than the actual standalone keyboard So I like that so far. But like I said, I won't like I literally only unbox this thing Right before I joined the call for for the show. It's true. He was racing home from Micro Center Yeah No, but my favorite part of the of the think pad is the nipple. I used to caress that That's that's what I that's what I just talked about. Oh, okay, I Got like think pads, but I'm not I don't have a hard on for the nipple Okay, we saved the best one for last guys because we want to talk about this for a little while because there are some thoughts that we have so It's another for Dora story for Dora has definitely been a focal point of this episode, but Matt's already missing it. That's why I'm not talking about it No, no, no, right quick record has been fine anyway, so Fidora 38 for a long time. They've been talking about enabling flat hub in this version It was gonna be 37 it got pushed back to 38 and the reason why they've been waffling Okay, so they've been going back and forth between whether or not it's gonna be full access to flat hub and then they said they're going to filter it because If you've ever used Fidora before you've been following the Fidora story You know that they're vehemently opposed to proprietary software, but literally anything proprietary. They don't want Unless of course, it's absolutely required for your hardware, which then they'd be like fine very gradually put in their kernel or whatever but You notice they don't use the Libre kernel like they don't do that But you know in the actual distro itself no proprietary software unless it's user enabled So they don't ship it because they're very worried about getting sued and patents and all that stuff. Anyways Flat hub has a ton of proprietary software, you know chromes on there edges on there You can you can name a lot of that's question be illegal to redistribute is on there Yeah, so they don't that that that's the reason why flat hub despite being a offshoot of a project basically devolved by the fedora people hasn't been enabled on Adora by default up until now, but now they're working on it and they've been Waffling, right? So it was going to be Filtered and now they're saying it's going to be unrestricted, but it's going to be unrestricted weirdly so Yeah, the upcoming 38 foot flat hub will be there. We'll see what their final answer actually ends up going to be So your guys just thoughts on this Okay, well first of all, I would like to start off here worried there worry that when you download a package using the known software tool Not the package manager itself It does have a list of priorities where it will pull the package from if it exists and it's available as a flat pack It will first of all check the fedora flat pack repository and it will prioritize any software out of that compared to flat hub Which is its next fallback. It does that now by the way Yeah, it does do that now prior to prioritizes the flat pack over the the RPM package It's it's yeah, but for ages you you can manually tell where where to pull things in from And it and what it will do is it will always prefer the fedora flat pack over the RPM package or even the the flat hub package Now my biggest complaint here was actually wrote raised in the in the proposal itself Where are they approved it? It was one denial from from the steering committee and that denial said Why are we giving flat packs this prep this option when RPM fusion? It has existed for longer, and it's not even being and it's not even included in this priority list system So yeah RPM fusion as a result will be at the very bottom of that priority list It's not a surprise to me at all because it's just that RPM fusion has always been the thing It's it's like the the cousin you you or uncle you invite over for the holiday dinner that nobody likes But you have to invite him anyways It's there. I mean flat was like that, too. Oh, yeah, but There are things that are more restrictive on flat The RPM fusion that the flat hub is something that is necessary for Flat hub or flat pack to like really exists because they're they do not want to keep Adding stuff to the fedora flat pack repository like they were they're going to but they don't want to they're very grudging about adding stuff to it from what I have I've read and And flat hub is basically become the de facto place for flat packs is where everything's at and by not having it enabled It's actually become a detriment Whereas with RPM fusion, it's never become a detriment not to have it installed simply because most Most of the stuff that's there is Therefore a really good reason right because as you know, it's is the Nvidia drivers or other proprietary stuff It's blatantly for stuff that fedora just wouldn't Include in their repository whereas flat hub has became a become a repository for everything Not just the stuff that is a Stuff that's not meant for the main repo. So Here's here's my argument to that because flat hub And this is another sub another topic that I read about flat packs is that flat hub is Their review of packages or How do they call it? proprietary packages are coming very soon to to flat hub where If it's the original developer who puts the package on the On the flat hub, it's it's going to be on top versus the other packages made by bands or band projects or somebody other than the creator of the project This is this is going to be a big big step for I think this is what pushed The fedora devs to accept flat hub to unlock flat hub on on fedora Well, they've been they've been planning on it for a while. I think it might been it might have been the push To have it unfiltered, right? Yeah, I think that was it One about one of the reasons. Yeah, got it pushed So I would like to bring up the point as to why fedora actually filtered flat hub to begin with or just didn't even offer as as an option in in the installer before Fedora 36 or 35. I think it was But the main reason why fedora has been so resistant in the past about flat hub is simply because is Because of the software preferences that fedora was mentioned earlier And the main reason behind that is because fedora is actually corporately sponsored Red Hat doesn't necessarily control fedora But they have but they invest a lot of money and development effort into fedora If you look at the people who work on fedora a lot of them work at red hat Well, yeah, I mean so a lot of them too. So there's a bit. There's a big big crossover there But you're right. It's because of that. The weird thing is is that open suits. It doesn't have the same, you know It's because red hat is a US company and open suit and susa is a German company It's literally just a question of intellectual property laws Which in the US are a lot more restrictive than there are than they are in Europe Which is weird Yeah, so I my thoughts on this are that I'm happy that it's happening because it should have been there from the beginning but The controversy between being filtered and non-filtered it just doesn't make much If they had kept it as a filtered version of flat hub, they probably would have enabled it by default Now it's going to be something that you have to turn on at the beginning What after in the I don't think that they would still ever enable it by default But they will still give you the toggle option in the end because they were talking about enabling it by default That was the plan before they moved over to the unfiltered that that's what they were talking about in the forums and stuff Well, I agree with that with that move keeping it as an option is better than enabling it by default My opinion on that. Well, I didn't I wouldn't mind it either way because they have this For I think it's just for Fedora 35 when they enabled RPM fusion from the user setup user creation setup Where you can flick that switch switch to enable third-party repositories I'm gonna be curious how they implement this because are they going to have a separate separate switch for Flat hub or will they have just that one switch that controls everything? No, it's gonna be a separate switch. I'm sure of it Yeah, this is how they did it for RPM fusion and for a pop-up maybe well No, there's a switch now for third-party repositories in the user creation thing that comes up after you install That's a general one. Yeah, right My guess too is that it will be a separate one probably on the same page because that page is very minimal It's just like a gigantic switch in the middle like would you like to enable third-party repositories? There's plenty of room for a switch, you know underneath it So I'm guessing that That's how they'll do it, but it'll be interesting to see plus they're redoing the Yeah, like the only reason for example in zero Linux I have it enabled by default is because we are switching I am pushing Flatbacks as much as as hard as I can because I noticed that a lot of my users Don't understand the way Linux works. They're beginners newcomers So I was like, yeah better push flatbacks on them rather than native packages because of all the dependency Graph that's happening these days. I'll think of something dependency. Oh now that this is happening It though it just brings up something that Steve and I have talked about before that flat seal needs to be default Oh, yeah, which KDE are doing in their and their settings and yeah I think we mentioned this like a last episode or an episode before that somewhere on there. Yeah, you know, it's not Okay No, it's not and that's that's what for door you see also isn't a gnome project either. It's independent Well, yeah, I know that but it don't foundation was to pick it up. That'd be great It's necessary for like if you want to actually use flatbacks. You have to use fleshy and and recently Chris like the stack just made a video about flat seal. You need to have it. Well, hello, Chris Welcome to it took you a while to realize that it really did take a while because I think Brody Robertson was like the first one To put a video on a person that like a year and a half ago. Wow. Yeah Okay, so Anything else to say on this topic guys? Are we done? Well, I have one thing to say about it is Please There's one one thing it's the way they prioritize their flood hub over the unlocked one I first I thought that it's because they inspect and they modify the flatbacks on their own flat Flatback repository not all packages are vetted on that thing and what if a package is available on both the unlocked unfiltered flatback and their It'll it'll it'll by default choose the fedora flatback always or not be there on the on the fedora flatback Rather they remove it and one less package to maintain on their side No, well, no, they'll list both of them. That's what that's just the way look. It just confuses users more Okay, so I absolutely very It's 100% true that the vast majority of new users who are going to go into the GNOME software store to Download a thing don't even know that that drop-down exists. Okay. Yeah, they don't look at it They'll just download whatever is they'll just put the download button. It's in that's the reason why Fedora's repositories at the top because that's they want people to download stuff from there by default and that's Users will end up installing the fedora package without even knowing it. Yeah. Yeah, and honestly I actually much agree with that because then users that complain about it fedora can actually fix it's not unusual guys The snap store does the exact same thing only the only difference is that the snap store is literally the only repository of snaps So I mean The reason why this is a something that we're even talking about with flatbacks is because there's multiple Repositories of flatbacks whereas with snaps. It's literally canonicals way or that said that said I want to comment on snaps real quick because The the snap store that's hosted by canonical is not the only snap store option that you can actually have well You you can you go to you go to canonicals get hub You can actually find a snap server code base where you can pull that in compile it and you can set up your own snap Stap craft for positive and somebody did but it's not included in the Do you know softwares or the snap store by default? Okay? I'm sure there's probably a way to do it But what I'm saying is that by default it snaps and devs is what they include right? I don't know if they still do the devs 100% of the time or not Yeah, we need little default snaps or well, I know I know I know I know default snaps I just I'm just actually kind of surprised that the dev option is actually even still there And I'm surprised I'm surprised they haven't coded it in such a way that if the snap exists the dev package doesn't even show up Like yeah, I want I wanted to do the the same thing on zero Linux, but I don't know how I don't want to go down that rabbit hole but As content creators we our job is to spread awareness about the drop-down people click There's a drop-down look at it choose where you want to get your packages from I mean our job and it's up to the user to the question We're gonna have to ask and the only reason it matters isn't because of security or any nonsense like that because Neither one of them are going to be as vetted as you'd want them to be to be secure Okay, so you can't you can't say that the packages from either flat up or the The withdrawal repositories are going to be secure the reason why it matters is because flat Because fedora is notorious for having repositories with some packages that shall we say don't get updated For a long long long period of time So so much about the only one. So well, yeah, I know I understand that It's so so it's so true that some developers have begged and pleaded with Fedora to take their Applications out of the repository because they won't get updated either because the maintainers not going to continue maintaining them Or fedora is not doing it themselves That's the reason why this matters because there's a there's a potential there for the flat or the the the fedora flat pack repository to have applications that are significantly more out of date than the versions that are on flap Fedora is a very opinionated distro well Plus if you I mean at least with flat packs it's not going to be as bad as with RPMs because a lot of times with the RPM packages that are really outdated. They just won't even install like For example bottles is in the fedora repository and it will download and install perfectly fine, but it does not run You can't actually create a bottle and it makes me wonder why they even post post bottles in there Well, it was done when it was worth it somebody did it and then just left it there forever It's a really really old version And and the the developer of bottles I talked to him on mastodon. He said he's asked for door to take it out and they won't Yeah, that's another thing and Which raises a question that I wanted to ask you is How do you deal with fedora and the countless repositories that you have to add for for the packages that you need? The way use fedora for a month well no barra for a month and When I went to the repository Whatever you call it Database or whatever I and I saw a repository for no a repository for The custom OBS package another repository for this another repository for that I saw like 36 different repositories for 36 different packages. What are you even? Okay, so the only repositories on fedora that you absolutely need if you're going to deal with fedora are the ones that are included by default In rpm fusion those are the only ones that you need if you want to do flap hacks You'll also get enabled the flat hub repositories, so you'll have three those are the three And here's the way here's the way you look at it. It could you could do that or you could use something like Debian or Hopper, you know Ubuntu and have to add put PPAs from the past, you know Have 95,000 PPAs in on your system, you know, you could do it that way I think I think that's what glorious agro did that Probably is using a lot of copper repose because that's all community I think he's actually hosting his own repository. Yeah, he created the repository for his custom OBS package It's not surprising and and you could do that, but you can't blame fedora for that I'm not letting you. I thought it was a general fedora thing. So no, I judged it too harshly Repositories can get bad if you use copper because coppers are basically PPAs. That's basically what they are Right, but yeah, they're still PPA. Well, you know, they're sent. They're centrally hosted PPAs Which is the way PPA should have worked. They should have all been outdated Well, they can be outdated but because it's it's the same thing it's basically It has the same problem as they you are where it's all community run It's not done by the fedora guys at all you can anybody and their brother can put a copper repo open copper and Have them build it and it just is there and you don't even have I here's the thing about copper that I really wish they do I wish they would mandate the fact did a mandate a description At the moment, you don't even had to put a description there It and if you don't it just says this this copper was probably put up by someone for personal reasons Then don't make it public. You know, I mean like it should definitely they should definitely have a description there because there's a ton there's a ton a ton of Like libraries and stuff on there that you have no clue what they are and maybe they even still build But you'd know idea why you need them Without a description unless you go searching for and the thing is like you don't even have to name Package the same thing right the package name can be completely different which makes it hard to search for Did you notice? Did you notice on copper that a lot of packages? The description of the packages is in the title. They called a back a package a whole sentence Sometimes it's it's very much a wild rest that I wish they had some rules And I also wish they need to become like the you are more like the you are well Okay, maybe a little bit more like they are but not completely like they are but what I really wish there's two things I wish they do I wish they had mandated description in the proper place And I wish that they'd make their website faster because their website is astonishingly slow Like it is so slow once you delve down into some of the like the searches and stuff They get a little bit faster, but their homepage like takes a minute and a half to load It's ridiculous. Not only that try to search for a package Yeah, it takes it takes a long time and sometimes it like it'll like 504 or 500 out Whatever that code is it takes a long time But what do I care I'm on gentoo it doesn't matter We don't need your stinking copper or a you are we have the gentoo repositories You don't need the gentoo repository and you know if son gentoo repository. It's available in a get repo somewhere Well, then they what's the gentoo has like the their version of like the a you are what is that? Yeah, they're called overlays. Yes that thing that I never actually used those never had to um The the the monistop that's actually in the gentoo repository is kind of phenomenal. Yeah, well, good luck Matt on your six-month Endeavour, why did I say six months? Why not three? I mean six months is dumb. Yeah, I'm at five To be fair Matt before I discovered gentoo. I did run Debbie unstable for six years straight. I I don't I'm sure I Proofer doesn't exist I Look at all my older YouTube content before like all the video game streams Um, all right anyway, so that is it for the news We're gonna go ahead and move on to the last section of the podcast where we talk about our picks or things women We call them thingies of the week. Yeah, we could have called it anything else, but those things were taken so I need to change mine. Yeah, I don't even I don't even I didn't even look at anybody else's other than mine, so Steve, why don't you go ahead and lead us off which is first one Try the goal at the end because that's gonna be a long one. Oh, it's not it's really not I'm banning you before you talk about it. So fine Josh you go then okay, so I Want to talk about jellyfin because you know jellyfin is a plexol is a better plexol turnover You don't have to pay for hard hardware transcoding because I discovered that apparently in plex you have to pay for hardware transcoding But unfortunately, I don't have a public jellyfin inch Instance for you all to experiment with because I just didn't set it up this time around But you know, it's available as a docker container You can you can just sit there and pull it and install it the jellyfin website is actually Brilliant for like I taught teaching you how to not only Not only create like your own docker container for jellyfin or but also just installing it like a normal person would It's actually really good And of course Steve has been introduced to jellyfin and he's been met I imagine that at this point he might have gotten it working Nope, because I don't want to move all my database that I spent months setting up my meta data database I spent months creating on plex to repopulate it on Jellyfin but I do agree jellyfin is pretty good, especially that you have local control over every aspect of it Plex now for it's they're not putting hardware transcoding behind a paywall. No, of course not but they're putting a lot of thing useful things behind a paywall and It's becoming infuriating especially that they're When when you select for exact example That this this folder contains French movies and respect my French movie posters I need my posters in French not in English. It doesn't respect that anymore. It ignores those rules completely So I'm getting fed up with it and I might be switching to jellyfin very so The worst thing about plex is the amount of crap that they put in their UI like yes It's plex like it used to be that's what jellyfin is like like seriously all of the like a streaming services and stuff that they link to just like Okay, so I don't be they're a TV station now But it would be fine if you could actually watch those things like if you click on it and say hey your plus play here And it will play right inside of you know like if you let's say you subscribe to Disney plus or whatever And you you you click on one of the Disney plus things and it would plays right there That'd be cool, you know having all of your streaming services one in one interface awesome But that's not the what it is It's they just link to that and then they send you outside of plex to find a thing is it's just dumb Anything is you can get plugins for jellyfin that will set up that where you can set up all these individual streaming services and then The best part is because you know jellyfin doesn't really have anything that's like a native client Basically, there is a flat pack for jellyfin media player, but that's really just an electron wrapper around web browser but the the wonderful thing about Jellyfin is that it integrates really well into kodi with through the jellyfin extension for kodi Where kodi literally becomes that for you your jellyfin you're gonna help me set up jellyfin then, okay Okay, you're gonna help me because I don't you sent me that pod man stuff And I've never used pod man before so just sending me code for pod man does nothing for me It'd be like sending me code for Haskell, you know that guy had no clue Tell you what matt you install you install tail scale on a on a computer And then send me the link that tail scale generates for you that I will add your computer to my tail scale network And I will ssh into your machine and set up jellyfin for you. Okay We'll we'll mess around with that But the I want to I've wanted to switch away from flex for a long time because their ui is just really I mean it's getting so so crap crap and so slow and so because they keep adding stuff to it like every time I sign into plex there's something new there And every single time they decide to add something to the sidebar It always pushes my libraries down like no I have three libraries. I have my music my tv shows and my movies I want those pinned to the top leave them there. Don't move them Not only that not only that the apple tv application Uh Is the most stable one out there? I have I have an nvidia shield in the living room And that application you have to launch it like five times before it it launches correctly And sometimes when I want to play 4k content because we got 4k tv in the in the living room Because I download for two 4k content. That's 100 gigs in size Uh It plays the music, but it takes maybe a minute and a half to to get the picture in And I tell it not to compress not to decode. I like to because it's a local network I like to play the original quality Thing the 109 gig file It just takes a minute and a half to load the picture It's really getting annoying the the plex player is on android Is the application as a whole on android is getting worse and worse and worse the ios and the uh apple tv version perfect So I don't know why they're concentrating on apple Whereas they should be concentrating on android more because all the tv boxes are android not apple tv And they're introducing support for uh something called uh 12 bit Not 10 bit 12 bit for the apple tv Because the apple tv supports 12 bit not 10 bit Yeah, okay You wanted to go last so I will go next mine is bottles and it's awesome It uses container technology and and wine to play windows games basically Basically window anything windows if it's if it has an exe you can run it And it does a really really good job The one I've just been messing around with the installers right now They have some pre-configured installers that you can use they have the epic game store the gog Battle battle not net is there And there's several other ones that you can try Including non-game one stuff like um there was a couple daws there so if you use um If you if you need audio editing it's audio recording stuff like that if you're in the music But your software is only on windows It's a chance that they already have an installer there for you And it works really well and you can obviously bring in outside exe's as well and use it I uh I Speaking of audio editors and stuff like that. I installed. I don't know if you know something called samplitude uh, it's a multitrack audio editor and uh Well, uh producer producing software that only exists on windows I was able to run it install it and it's uh 7.8 gigs inside with all the libraries I was able to install it via bottles. I have soundforge. I got 3d studio max to install using Uh autocad Be photoshop, but although photoshop doesn't run because well bottles doesn't Are afraid of adobe but As you said matt as long as it's got an exe It should run I have winam I got uh because winam got revived and it's back baby Uh, so I installed it with bottles and I run that through through that But you have to be careful and select the correct runners for each and every uh For some applications some application run better on mocha the uh the one that ships by default with Bottles some other applications work better with wine g e You have to pick and choose Yeah, that's that's one of the reasons why the the pre configured installers are so good because all that stuff set up for you I wish they had more installers to be honest with you. It'd be really cool if they had some more of the popular programs and And it has the uh dependencies the windows dependencies like dot net and all the dot net The stupid fonts that you always have to download because microsoft uses all the proprietary fonts and crap Uh, the the one that I was been playing around with the most is battle net and I installed for door or um hearstone Man it plays flawlessly so good um, you you should try you should try uh I forgot the name of it. Yeah, the the first person game that uh, that they have Overwatch, uh, you should try Overwatch with that. It flies On a 1080 on a 1080 gpu from like 2015. It flies I'll think of that try. I've never actually played Overwatch because when it came out. I was already using linux I just finished uh installing it this morning, uh again because I forgot to back it up, but It's flawless. It's I love it. I love bottles because Everything is possible with that thing everything It's it's it's everything except, uh, the kitchen sink Okay, moving on to the last thing of the week Steve Your banable offense is here My banable offense it's chat gpt I finally got was able to use it for the past two days. Uh, and Like I said earlier, it can have my babies I want to marry that thing It is wonderful the way the uh, it works. It actually fixed the zero linux form Yeah I don't know if you people remember a few episodes back Josh here was useful for the first time ever of Uh, and he suggested I fix my snapper script Uh, which didn't check if your, uh File system was ptrfs before going ahead Uh, so I told chat gpt to do that script for me Because I wasn't experienced enough to know how to write an if statement. Now I do Uh, thanks to chat gpt. Why why does it need my phone number? I want to like I would love to try it even though. I think it's I Just but I have I have a throwaway phone number I know that's what somebody told me to do like go set up a google voice or whatever like no I don't want to have to do that. No, that's not what I want to have to do I don't want you to request a phone number like you're already shady enough Why am I giving you more personal information specifically one that allows you to call me whenever you want to call me? Well, I have a throwaway number. I use my my greek number that expires tomorrow. So That's when I traveled to Greece like a few summers ago. Uh, but anyway, uh, once you're in Oh my god, I felt I was talking to a person when I was talking to it because I did the test that someone did online I like to interject for a moment because I uh opened up chat gpt and I told it to write me a bash script That would install a specific distro for me that i'm not allowed to name here And it wants to point all of the dns records to 8.8.8.8 Google let's google It's not allowed. It's not allowed to go online chat gpt Uh, the chat on open ai's website is not connected through the internet but that's I'll get to that in a second but It felt like I was talking to a human like I did the test. I told it I want the recipe for apple pie And I uh, then told it. I am diabetic. That was an example. I saw online and it did in fact apologize Uh, apologize I apologize. You are I'm so sorry that you are diabetic. Here's the substitute for sugar It's so human like I want chat but gpt to be an asshole When it be so cool if you can it could it could you could change the personality of it To be like I think you can because that was that was Dan's intention Well It's just only a matter of time before it comes becomes a nazi right you guys know this right because it will it will become a nazi They've done this on they did a twitter bots before Uh, yeah, this is what happened to microsoft. Yeah, it became nazis It was hilarious I'll talk about that in a sec, but The I it wrote the script for me not only did it write the script It explained each variable and each command that was run in the script Making sure that I understood what it it has just written but That brings me to a very serious subject related to chat gpt It can be good and all useful for for a lot of us But someone on your server of all servers matt Uh ansible I think you know him Mentioned something really important. It's the legality of the the data it grabs Like it it can roam github. It can roam git lab but How legal are those code snippets that it spits out like maybe they're under a non Maybe they're under a commercial license and it spits them out anyway How would you know the end user what license is is under those? code snippets So this is a shady thing that We shouldn't trust chat gpt too because the open ai developers are not filtering which license goes with what code in whatever It's just throwing spitting out whatever it has access to So this is really important To pay to pay attention to it. Don't you blindly use any code that chat gpt throws at you make sure It's free and open source code under the gpl license or whatever Before you use it and you make it public Okay, he made it was a very interesting point that he made And I did a research on that I I've heard lawyers talk on and apparently it will be litigated in the future I'm sure that that will go through the courts. It should be it should be because I don't want to end up using code that is licensed code So here's my thoughts on ai first. I have two thoughts first Bet's on how long it takes mazilla to create their own um because it will happen um because they always do that the other one is that I'm Still betting on ai to be the next crypto Like it'll be around it'll be useful for some people, but there's also going to be a lot of scams Wow, there's gonna be a lot of scams Anything that that is good that is created for good can be can be used for bad as well It's definitely going to it'll give it a bad name. Just like uh scams it with crypto. So um Yeah, and microsoft and microsoft's acquisition for 10 billion dollars didn't make it any better now It's connected to the internet and as we as we saw on the wen show Today if if you didn't watch it go watch it because it's gonna be scary It had access to to his store and they had just put up a new Listing for their new tracksuit LTT tracksuit it already had access to that up-to-date data So it was a bit scary even Linus was almost gonna drop to the floor. It was punishing somehow an lttstore.com uh plug got put into my podcast No, I'm not plugging. I'm not plugging it. I'm being funny But but it even read text embedded in pictures like they had a picture Of the tracksuit with LTT on the suit And it was colored white. I don't know why chat gpt saw it as red But that was a mishap, but it read that there was a logo on the jacket So I was like it even reads text in pictures Wow, that's not that's not even I mean that's been happening on phones for Yeah, but it reads it. It's it includes it in its search. It includes I mean if you I on iphone or android you can copy and paste it if you can copy and paste something it can be dragged by a True, but Wow, was it astonishing and it's so human like like you you can no longer make the difference You can no longer Know if you're talking to a human or or a chat gpt fan boy You're You're a fan boy. I don't use chat gpt though. I use dan Yeah, okay, I don't know what that is Dan is the movement on reddit. That's trying to uh as they call it jailbreak Chat gpt get into it. It's actually been successful Um to a certain degree You you kids and your new fangled toys Um, no, but come on It should surprise you too, uh, because it's it's so human like it I was like I will be using it a lot because i'm not a bash scripting professional if I want a bash script I'll just ask it, but I'll check if the code is legit. I mean or I use it Zero lakh ships main page is right Well, the regular ones of arch. Yeah So why not just man bash and learn how to write a bash script? Oh, no reading. Yeah I I should preach what I uh, sorry. I I should uh practice what I preach. Yeah Yeah, I should practice what what I preach But uh, I mean adhd I would plug our lord and save your terminal for life But uh his youtube channel has been gone for like a year now and I miss it and of course I'm apparently the only one that has a backup archive of his entire youtube channel You gotta you gotta make that public, man You have no I don't I don't I did not get his permission for distribution. Unfortunately. Yeah In all in all seriousness, I can I could I could try to read the man pages But because of the adhd I fall asleep while reading the first lines Uh, but the and my old age of course. All right. So here's what you do. You take a man page And the ldr get no you give it to chat gpt and to say hey make this interesting Can do that I can do that All right, but It's to end it to finish it is people when you use chat gpt be careful of the code it spits out Check it before you use it Very important because you you will save yourselves a lot of headaches Okay, on that happy note, that's the podcast for the week. Um, if you want to Watch us live. We do so every Saturday around three o'clock p.m. Eastern time Usually there are four of us Tyler should be back next week if he doesn't decide to move to Hawaii Um, I mean that I can blame him. It's Hawaii Um, who wouldn't want to move there? I guess. Um, I don't actually want to move to Hawaii It's too humid over there. It's like I have no interest in I mean Do I look like a beach going guy? I'm just saying I'm pasty white. There's a reason. 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