 Welcome to Toffy TV. It's been just under a week now since the Super League was either started or ended, whichever way you want to look at it, just over a week since it's been a lot of fallout, it's been about being a lot of conversations, where does football go, how do we punish the sicks, all the rest of it. Obviously still all up in the air isn't it, in terms of a lot of things, the fallout has sort of yet to start. But Evan had been very vocal about making sure this didn't happen. He's brought it back today, obviously I think it was Tuesday morning, he's come out with a statement saying that Evan was massively against it and we're going to put all that energy into making sure it didn't happen. And then later on in the week once again came out and we're sort of again just asking the question what do we do now and where do we go and they will still keep fighting it. So Evan have been really good in this and I think I've done something with other clubs who were not involved in it, maybe haven't been quite prepared to do and some of the clubs have been, they've voiced their concerns about it but I don't think they've wanted to rock the bout where they think Evan have gone straight in and gone using off doing this because this will have a massive effect on Evan football club and football as a whole. Number one, what are your thoughts on that? I think Evan have been very vocal because it does directly affect us, we are a team that is trying through investments and everything else trying to get into European football regularly and obviously create more money for the business, it's what every club does. So it would affect us, we're also in the midst of building a new state or just about to start building a new stadium which costs a lot of money and that's got to be paid for and that will be forecast against Premier League payments and everything else and the opportunity of playing in Champions League. From a business perspective you can understand why Evan are against it definitely but from just the competitive aspect of it as well, I think Evan spoke for a lot of clubs in this country over the Super League because obviously the Super League was designed to remove competition. You can't, you know, unfairness needs to be spoken out, there's not enough people speaking out against that certainly in football, it doesn't happen in life but certainly in football we had Simon, sorry we had Steve Parrish talking about the six, you know, he's dealt with them so many times and they feel like they did a different treatment than others, they've run the game and all of this kind of stuff going on. You've got that power struggle, it takes people to stand up and be strong and be counter and I think Evan have done that and they've done that. Obviously we're a bit of self-interest but they've also done that I think for the good of the league as well while realising that we're all part of the same thing and we're undoubtedly the league is stronger when everyone is in it together rather than six running off to their own competition and making it, but still wanting to play in our competition as well but with the added 350 million a season for it so I think Evan stood up very strongly with that because it's not right and I'd like to just think it's because it's not right rather than being invited. Do you know what I mean but Evan have come out and said he wouldn't have accepted it anyway and so it's the right thing to do, it's good that Evan have put the head above the parapet and gondbl yet we are one of the four teams but we're also going to try and drive this as well because it isn't fair, it's not right. I don't think we would have accepted it with people like Bill Cymraed at the club, I really don't but Fahad Masheri came out as well and he spoke about, the bigger picture I think he spoke about obviously you know Eufor and FF paying not willing to spend money to compete against these kind of clubs and obviously that for him is a major gripe which is good because if that's a major gripe then he obviously wants to spend money. So we know that there's different levels at the club who are all against this and all are prepared to have a go and I think Fahad Masheri, I think there is that underlying thing of when he was one off with Arsenal, there was that frustration I think that they couldn't do more, that they didn't have power and that was one of the things that drove away. He told them to come to Everton Football Club that he would be in charge, he would be able to try and force things through although he has been frustrated because of FFP like I just said there and I wonder now if there is, with what the noises that we're hearing from the club, from what we hear from Denise Barrett-Bachsendale, from a, I think she's trying to drive the point home from a model stance and also trying to make sure Everton have got a voice because Everton have probably lost that voice in the last few years because of these clubs. The six have been pushing the agenda for the Premier League and that's forced Everton out and without any other strong voices elsewhere and I think that's what we've heard from Denise Barrett-Bachsendale, that many strong voices. Steve Pariser he said from Pariser has done really, really well from what we've seen but I really don't feel like there's any other really strong voices out there pushing the other side and I think this is a really big opportunity for now because you've got that from Fahad Masheri who obviously wants to drive the club forward, the stadium, the manager, he's obviously frustrated. Every time we talk about new players, we're always talking about or summer investment or whatever, we're always talking about FFP, the limitations of FFP. So we obviously want to drive the club forward and I just think this now is a really good opportunity for Everton to try and grab that power back because the other thing that's come out quite a lot in the last week is the idea that Everton were one of the big five when the Premier League started and they've been put, I think we've seen Dean Smith as the Villa manager mentioned that. It's like almost as an example of how football can change, Everton were one of the big five that drove the Premier League through, that's right. And I do think there's an opportunity now to become one of the leading voices in the Premier League, whether people want that or not from the other clubs or the media. So what? I think there's a really good opportunity for Everton to stand out there now and go, no, no, we've got a moral compass. But also, that's going to help the club because not only are we not one of those six clubs, but those six clubs for how long I don't know are going to lose some power. We're basically here that there isn't going to be any kind of punishment for these clubs in terms of any football wise. They're not going to get points deducted, I just can't see it. And I really don't think they're going to be stopped on playing in Europe. One of the things they're speaking about is that literally they're going to lose some executive power in, you know, I know it's one club, one vote kind of thing, but there's obviously been a hierarchy within these clubs. These clubs have been driving. We know that because they drove the vote for any of the top six to get more money from the overseas TV deal. Now it's always been a fair share, but they pushed that and they got it. You know, some of the clubs voted for it to go through. Which is mad. Which is mad, but if you're like we said before, if you want a club looking from the outside in and you feel like you can break in, then you want to be part of it. But I do really think that this is a really big opportunity now for Evan to puff the chest out and say, you know, we're going to be one of the big voices now in the Premier League. And you know, if Evan, do you do that, then I think that could be really interesting from the club's point of viewing in terms of where we're going. Yeah, you've got to have support though as well. It's okay being Mardy, but you've got to try to get on with support from the other clubs as well though to back that. It's great being objectionable and turning around and saying we do the right thing and our moral code, our moral compass is right on and you should. But you do have to have some, drum up some support as well. And maybe that's what will happen. Maybe sometimes you want someone to get behind and maybe those other clubs need someone to get behind other than the big six. It seemed Roy Hodgson, just in response to that like top six thing, big six thing, stop, please stop calling on the top six. He said, changes all the time. He said, Lester, Lester have been in the, you know, in the day. Why aren't they considered, you know, he mentioned Evan and funny enough. He said other clubs, he said they might be the sixth now. Next season, he might be the sixth in the season. He said, you know, you can't, you're not doing anyone any favours by calling them the big six in the Premier League because they're not the big six. So, you know, a few, that a few times this week Gary Neville is fighting everybody's corner as well teams other than those six he wants relegation and ban from Europe. I mean, for all of them, it's big Manchester United family wants them punished severely because it's what they try to do. He called it treason and he called it an act of murder. They did mean things like that. And so you write everything maybe, maybe, can start to wrestle a little bit of power from those people because that's one of the things I've read that whether it means anything or not the Premier League, those six have lost a lot of power now in this Premier League. I don't know how that equates. Well, I don't think anybody should have power in the Premier League. I think it's a 20 club. I think it's a 20 club committee. So nobody should have more power than others. And if six are going, you see the thing I can't get me out of there, if six are going off into a corner going where the most important, why aren't the other 14 getting together and going, you're not mate? Because there's 14 of us and there's only six of you. Why are people leaning towards these six? It's nonsense. And that's where there has to be some changes. You know, I'd expect a club like Aston Villa to be right behind Everton, another big club with a great history, one European Cup, one the league. You know, there's won a lot of trophies over its period. It's just an old club. I'd expect them to be because I look at them similar to Everton and go, you know, they're a sleeping giant if you want to use that phrase, but they're a big football club traditionally in England. I suppose the reason why is because they have not been in the Premier League consistently and that's the same with someone like Leeds. At the end of the day, it's like anything where you have these committees. It's the power to lobby. It's the power to change things. You know, if those six teams are a unit, then they're already nearly halfway there, aren't they? And they've got the power to drive things. And what you'll get is you'll get a lot of clubs. You will get a lot of clubs who might have only been promoted or whatever, who feel like they're not assured anything and want to grab what they can for as long as they can because they're not ever sure how long they're going to be in the Premier League. The other team who are stable, really, you've got that six and then you've got Everton. Everton have always been in the Premier League. I think maybe beforehand, it was probably like, well, the big, you know, it's like the, it's like here, it's like mean girls in it. You've got the six on the table and Everton, Everton, it's not breaking into that but trying to be a thing themselves. And everyone's like, well, we can't really go against that six. Whereas Everton now, I think I've got the, I've got, do half that ability now to start turning to people and go, well, it's the perfect, you just, you're absolutely right what you should, you need people to, people need to come together. But now is the time and those people will look for someone still to fall behind and I think Everton could be that club. I'm not, don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for like, for Everton to take everything to them. It's not that, I just feel like that Everton, I've got a golden opportunity now to be heard within, you know, the walls of the Premier League because for so long we haven't, we've just been a nothing club and I just wonder, I mean, the other side of it is what can the effect, what are those issues? I mean, you know, that's one of those things but I think rather than the six clubs driving it, if there is going to be a time period, which is only going to be a small time period of course, we all know that, we're not stupid, we know it'll go back to normal after a very short period. I'd actually feel like, because we're coming to the end of the season, by the time the new season's come, a lot of it will be forgotten about in the halls of power because that's how generally things work, it doesn't actually benefit the Premier League or any of this. So they want it all to go as quickly as possible, so I do think there's a small window where Everton can make some noise and maybe get some things, you know, changes, whatever those changes are, I know we've got an email the other day sort of asking for suggestions and you know Everton, this is where Everton I think have got to start just being, because they've got the moral high ground I suppose, it's not about having to just be morally outraged, it's Everton can go, this is, you've tried to destroy, like you've just said, but Gary never, almost like the club version of that, you've tried to destroy our game and we're not standing for it and who's with us and we're going to lead the clubs and if that gets supporters of other clubs on board to go, let's just follow Everton's example, because actually I feel like our club are being, I think our club are not speaking out enough, so why aren't we doing what Everton's doing and then suddenly I think that helps, it helps grease the wheels. So I think there's a really good opportunity, I mean hopefully, because I think we all acknowledge, and a lot of other people are acknowledging it now, that the game needs changing now, it's been going one way for too long and that's down hill, but towards the wrong way anyway. It's weird isn't it, because the irony of the whole situation is, is that those six clubs are trying to drive change and yeah, we all need change, it's just like, we've all got a common enemy, those six teams have got the same common enemy we've got, it's just that they've tried to change it in such an extreme fashion that only helps those six teams, whereas there has to be something that helps everybody out and that's the irony of the whole situation and I think that has to come from whatever your moral compass is or you know, whether you want to save the whole of football or you just want to save yourself, you know. I think the thing is they want to save themselves, didn't they? They could have took this a different route and said, listen, let's get our heads together, there's been a global pandemic, let's try to make football better and we have to make big reforms and there are big reforms needed in football, there's a lot of things that need to change in football, moneys going out of the game, ageing, taking stupid money and wages still going this way and people are constantly setting for more money even though they're making hundreds of millions, they're pissing it away as well, and billionaires own it and they just decide what to do. So a game, a game now, and we're not going to be all reinvented. It was a game just even 40 years ago, it was a working-class man's game, you know, and Sky come in and they've done some good for the league, but they've also done some really bad things for the league in terms of how it's gone. Billionaires have took over and some are good and some are not so good. And we've allowed wages to creep up and creep up and come transfer fees and because that does that, it skewers the whole pitch for everybody, it skewers it for everybody because then you're constantly trying to get more and more so the fans are getting screwed, the ticker prices and TV packages and then that drives up, kits being ridiculous price and it just goes on and it goes on and something you said the other week and it stuck with me for is that football, it never stops, it never ever stops. I've just said to you then, under the weather and you kick me, there's another kick coming out soon and it just goes on and it goes on and it goes on, no-one gets a break and no-one enjoys it. Then you always said the other day didn't he, Gwendolyn? He came out and he said there's just too much football, so when's it going to stop? And you know sometimes you can go and again this is the other side of it which is the problem is people will go, well you ain't all that money, why are you moaning? But it is right though, football never stops. There's far too many games. And there's about to be, three years there's about to be another, low dumped on them. There's far too many games, far too many games to the point of saturation now where we're all just like bored of it. And it's, and you get away from what you actually, and what we've actually found in the last year is, a lot of us don't actually like football, a lot of us just like going to football, if that, you know, in different, like don't get me wrong, a lot of people sit there but watch games. But it is the going to football, it is the taking the part of it, it's not necessarily just the football, you know what I mean? For a lot of people not everyone of course, a lot of people enjoy different things of it. It is going to football that we love and there is too much of it, but the flip side of what we've been talking about is, again the irony is those six teams have a choice of how to change football and they chose the wrong one and I'm just hoping that our club tries to push the right one and that has to be getting some common sense back into the game surely because football is in too much money and when I say that, I've never been one of these people who believes that football should end the same as a national or anything like that. I understand that it's a highly skilled career for a very short time, very, very short, it's ten years out your life really in terms of professional football at the highest level. But it's the very, very average players that actually make me annoyed that they earn a lot of money. It's the average players that the big players can point to and go he's earning that much, I want to be on that much. So that's what has to be sorted for me getting some normality in there. When I hear people like Harlan want a million quid a week and then football clubs are mouning that they've got no money and yet they're the same football clubs that are all between them. Someone has to say no, someone has to just go we all get together as a pact actually. No, those clubs that wanted to get off. No, we all got together as a pact and said we're not paying him that money or we're not paying anyone that money. Then surely it would work. It's got no way to go. It almost feels like there should be some kind of wage cap or something. Can't quite put my finger on it. That's for another video. But I definitely feel like this is a real opportunity for Evans to stick the chest out, and become a voice in a room and not be ignored for too long. Everton have been ignored and for a long time Everton have told us as fans that we want to do the right thing. We are the people's club. Everton in the community, all the rest of it. Start trying to push that power then back into the game and start using it for something good like not having ridiculous kickoff times and having football fans having to go to Southampton and Newcastle for quarter to one kickoffs and all these stupid things. Start using it for that. Even if it's just for that kind of stuff then that helps the fans out massively. I've got to take some of the power back. If the club can do it, if the club can be the flag bearer and like you said before, people behind it then it's an opportunity. It is an opportunity. It's an opportunity for football really to try to get hold of itself cos it is eating itself, you write it. What's proved more the last 13 months football without fans is crap. It's absolutely proved it. I've seen loads of social media players who've actually just got to playing for them to carry the brains with the thing. It was like amazing to play. 10,000, had a ground that would have had 90,000. So players are appreciating the fans. Let's try and get everybody else to use that. That's the one and also the squealing of players. Jesus Christ, oh my God. But also, like I just said, if everyone can use that little bit of power for that one thing which is to help the fans out then that's one thing, isn't it? We want it to be used for more but if they could use it for one little thing cos try and make it so the fans are respected again. You want to balance the game on, don't you? You want everybody to be excited. What's a competition where only a few people can win it? What's the point of trying to guarantee that that's what they were trying to do? I think that there's more and more of that. It's like then six want to guarantee their success in the Premier League. It's only really about us, the other 14. But without the other 14 there's not a league. No-one's interested in the 16 league, nobody. So something does have to be done. Well, three of those 14. But it might even be more, is it more? Or in between those six. Yeah, the three aren't even in the six. So that's the thing. There does need to be big changes. I hope Gary Neville, Everton Football Club, fans, whatever, all stay together, drive. And hopefully at some stage we will see something come back and a little bit of a shift in the balance. Cos at the moment it's gone one way and it's not a good way. No, you're absolutely right. Let us know your thoughts in the comments. Can they push the agenda? Can they get back in? Can they start going from being this meek little voice in the room to one of the big voices in the room. Let us know your thoughts. What would you do with that power if you can get it back? Not having to go to Southampton if one kick-off would probably be a massive start on New Year's Day and all that nonsense. Let us know your thoughts in the comments. Don't forget to give this video a like. 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