 Welcome to the advocates. Well life thought provoking topics are discussed with no holds bad here on plus TV Africa. We basically call this paid by its name. I am advocating today for the first change we must make in our mentality. We must move on from our savior mentality. Allari Raju is talking about business in the 21st century and Helen talks on the vulnerability of parents. Sit back and after this break we will be back here to discuss it all stating with us. The shift we must make. Nigeria is on the course of a crisis. A kind that has never been experienced in its history at least since I was born. Everything that can be wrong is wrong. And when you think it can't be any worse you receive a shocker. Just think of it. As soon as it is on strike the power grid has collapsed for more than three days. First crisis is on for after two months. Police is about to go on strike so I heard. Dollar rate is at its highest. Inflation is double digits. The prices of goods and services in the market are exorbitant. Airline prices have more than doubled. Diesel price has also more than doubled. Security is not any better. The list is endless. We can spend a whole day listing out all the countries walls and still won't exhaust them. As a forward thinking Nigerian I always ask myself what can be done to change the current narrative. 2023 elections are around the corner. A lot of people expect it to be a reprieve. I doubt if that would be the case especially if we continue with the same mindset and patterns that cost us to elect a current set of leaders. So here, first we must change these our saviour mentality. We do not need a saviour. I get it. We've been oppressed for too long. What oppression does to the mind is that it makes you feel helpless. That's what psychology is called learned helplessness. Nigerians already have been conditioned to think that their deliverance will come from one person a messiah, a saviour. Our present experience should teach us otherwise. President Bwari wrote on the mantra of change the campaign positioned a former dictator as a saviour of Nigeria. The campaign mantra would sorry I missed that. Can I take that? The campaign mantra could not have come at a better time. Our saviour mindset made us believe President Bwari will bring his magic wand and with some abracadabra change the course of the nation. His magic wand has done the opposite of people's expectations. We need to change these thoughts. What we need are people with the right skills, intelligent level, passion and have the country and its people at heart. So we need people and not just one person. These people need to be at all levels elected and appointed at all leadership positions. So before we vote for a person in 2023 let's check out his or her tribe because I believe these are the people that would form his or her cabinet. Let's go a little back in history. It took President Bwari about six months to appoint a cabinet in his first tenure. The members of his tribe that eventually became the ministers then and even now are people of, in my opinion, low pedigree intellectually. Unfortunately, they account for the majority of the people in his cabinet. This explains the situation of the nation and should serve as an example for us. Another mindset we need to change is this. We need to rethink the conversation on zoning. Nigeria is literally and figuratively burning up at this point. And all some people think about is the zoning of the presidency. We have zoned this presidency since democracy and see where it has gotten us to. We've gotten the worst breed to become our leaders all in the name of zoning. At this point, we should be having conversations on how we can rescue this nation before it's finally destroyed. We should be talking about the kind of leaders we want to elect in terms of their personal achievements, their quality of experience, their patriotism, etc. The list is endless. Whether it's a male or a female anamorphodite, a Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, Tiw, Ishekiri or any other tribe you can think of, we shouldn't be bothered by this. We are in a crisis at this point and we need leaders that know how to manage a crisis. Those that can bring their grits and intelligence and also influence on everything that we need to steer the country in the right direction towards progress and development. In conclusion, I would say that we can't continue to live in our foolish ways or continue in our foolish ways by doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting the different results. We need to make a shift in the way we elect leaders so that we can live better lives as Nigerians. What do you think, Clary? I quite agree with you. I think today in Nigeria that we have if you look at in American people will wake up and say God bless the United States of America. If I ask you have you ever stand up in the day and say God bless Nigeria? We need to also first of all hold it dearly. We talk about communism. You talk about fresco city you talk about the asus strike there are some people profiting from it. When you talk about capitalism system or government sometimes it goes a long way it works but in our own settings if you want to get it right we need to hold it dear and if you know that every action literally it has a pros and cons it affects you either directly or indirectly then you hold it there you take care of it so it is that time when we live to that thinking level mental level then Nigerians can be great again. I believe. What do you think, Helene? I have come to the conclusion that Nigerians problem is the people. It is the people and the diversity of tribe and religion has made that gap wider. We have to reorient ourselves towards each other as in really be your brother's keeper as opposed to looking at things for benefit, for profit so I would not do something because I want to profit from you you wouldn't do something because you won't profit from me and when each of us feel that we are being under is it under quoted so to speak we make sure that that thing does not work. Make sure it does not work but you see what they feel to understand is that Nigeria cannot grow as a nation unless we learn how to actually work with each other and it is the same everywhere it is the same in my industry it is the same in civil service it is the same in schools everybody is territorial and they want this is my empire and you can't encroach and if you are encroaching it is on my terms so at the end of the day what happens leave him there he can be built in his own mansion I will do my own I went for a conference in South Africa it was only Nigeria that was on their own every other country came as a group with other team this is my team even within my own industry I can tell you that I am the team leader but to everybody else I am a team maker so it is really about orientation and really if you you have to be passionate about what you do if you are not passionate about Nigeria nobody can ask me the other day can I die for Nigeria I said well if everybody in Nigeria was not here I can die but as long as there are people Nigerians in it I am so sorry I can't I think that just takes us to the point where it just shows that Nigerians themselves are selfish self-centred and the only thing that brings us together is really when we are faced with profit or loss like this current fair crisis everybody is talking now because it is affecting them there are people that in the past have never had experienced light crisis because they live in serviced apartments now that diesel is so expensive exactly now everybody is talking about it so I feel like we don't have to wait until we get to that point we need to start having these kinds of conversations such that it will influence our 2023 elections what kind of people that will select as leaders but you also have to bear in mind is how do you select when nobody is coming out and again I think in addition to that we also need to look into system particularly I can say the only system in government that we have in Nigeria right now is financial system like banking system so if you look at it from that end if one error lives from one account to another you can actually trace it I don't say 4 does it happen it does but it is traceable because there is a system that can checkmate but the infrastructure we have right now when we take it to civil service there is no system we don't make activities of Mr. A and Mr. B I was saying like let's see the leki toge for example when the tofi was paid we have cash point if you want to pay with cash we have if you want to pay with your card or if you are prepared with a kind of a sensor that you just put in it doesn't matter if you are a millionaire or you are a thousand year or billionaire so far what you have at that point in time is cash you have to go and kill that's the system so the system actually don't say it's profit me or not it's a checkmate to ensure that things work as expected so I can give you for example in Microsoft if you are a staff of Microsoft we don't actually need to be in office at all time you have a gig to answer to and once you meet up with the gig your superior only have like 20 or 30% opinion on your promotion once you are meeting up with what you are expected to do automatically you get promoted so I think one of the major things that we should also be promoting is to build a sustainable system across all sector with that it helps us to see that you are not more than me because the system actually give the same money point you are expecting of so let me just put some light on that it still goes back to what they call a feeder system whereby people are put where some people think they should be your ex you need to be there your y you need to be there I grew up in the north and I looked at polygamy as a system that works because you find out that the man who has five wives if he treats the five wives and have five children the same love is a different story but they are treated equally you have peace but where you have a polygamy system whereby the father is quite happy to have the wives you know better better better amongst themselves you create and must amongst the children and it is the same thing in Nigerian governance our leaders are not capable of solving issues from each and every domain and that's why at the end of the day we are the children and that's why Nigeria continue deteriorating and deteriorating because our father did not set the foundation for peace I think what I just hear everyone saying then is the fact that from your point there is a need for fairness which is what systems would actually create if you have a solid judiciary system where everybody knows that if I am offended I can always go to the courts and get some form of justice for myself but the justice system now wants independence independence is different it doesn't actually affect the contents of what they are to deliver so probably if you look at the independent in contents of deliverables I will also support them to be independent because if you want to build a system and you have a bureaucracy of signing signing from one office to another you might see that you have a robust system you want to build and it will take you 10 years to achieve the same robust system so you have to represent it again and it will come in again exactly so that's the challenge we are having because they might look at it in preference to what is important to them which is where we are faced with right now I agree with you but I also disagree with you in the sense that all these independent institutes are looking for it is so that they are less accountable financially and doubt independence would but there is high corruption in the content system because what a system does is that it also builds accountability but if you build the right system it builds accountability but judges are being pried every day it does their bread now they will be bribed tomorrow they will be bribed forever regardless it's a matter of accountability who takes them out who gives them the consequences so I believe that should be another matter we will be looking at revamping the legislative arm to say the constitutional aspect it's going to be a broad discussion if you have to go into it but if you have a good system in place and a good mindset just like we say which is beneath fairness and better understanding we need to be self aware of what it is exactly what the individuals can do having that can give us in return so we need to be self aware of ourselves and our environment exactly but it also goes back to the head of the house leadership leadership the country cannot I mean look at the Ukraine situation at the moment whether the president is right or wrong is like I'm staying here I think if Nigeria was bombed by Russia would you see any of our government officials here if they can live for little things as throats my throat is aching that it will take lots of inches they fly themselves to wherever to get medical care do you think if there is a war they will stay I sincerely doubt it I mean the thing is that from all the conversations I've heard the goal is less change our mentality less change our mindsets and build systems because I believe leadership would also build systems so up next is Olare Wajim