 When I started when it was when it was open sourced at Sun So it's not that I was there from from day one, but pretty much like I don't know I think it was half a year later when I when I started at Sun It was great. I mean it was really In those were the days as the saying goes when when it was such a large project being open sourced Netscape went open source a few years earlier and it was I mean it was a vast amount of code and a great donation to to the community So yeah, initially it was all wonderful and great and people were happy and Adoption I was picking up and the first releases came out and then some port started But over the years There was some some complacency and I mean, I don't know what would you all know the story? How it ended and then people started to be a little bit unhappy about the dominant role of this one company there and well when this when when the ownership of Of the company changed and the politics changed community said well Let's do our own thing that we were promised since day one, but now let's let's act on that ourselves Because otherwise it just won't happen ever So yeah, there was a group of people Coming together from different locations and they were pretty much I think three or four centers of gravity Who independently of each other decided this is it let's do something about it and then Everything thing came to a head at the the last open-office conference And then we went ahead with a with the office and the document foundation Actually, I'm a developer so I'm working on the I'm working in the office code I'm I work I work for CAB, which is a wonderful company We're doing all kinds of people for stuff migrations development Fixing you also do some extension stuff around that so now, but that's what I do and That's my day job and and the the the TDF Things that I'm doing and the work and the board and the ESE that's kind of come to talk Well, I think it's certainly possible. It's not that that there will be intimate knowledge. It's it's a bit like it's a bit like no Active knowledge of eight languages So it's always like well you kind of know that but then there's one or two languages that you speak that you use daily And you you you're much more fluent in that But if you really then travel somewhere else and then you pick up the other language pretty quickly and that's how it's in that code by so you you have this overall mental model and You work on some part of the code and you get really really intimate with that And then you work on another part and you get really really intimate with that and then you can swap and and and change that and you'll get Fluent reasonably quickly, but it's still quite a beast. So it's it's So really We're trying to make it really really easy to get into that and if it's a small mean if it's just it's just a Functional it's just a crash. I mean, that's really not hard because the that's one one file One one code file that you need you need to need to to work with the debugger and step around a little bit So as long as the fix or the problem is very local It's easy or it's as easy or as hard as for any other piece of software when it comes to you the You know changing direction changing architecture Having a problem that's caused by five pieces interacting and then misbehaving That that's where this the sort of experience is really helping you Now So my view of the board ideally the board is not visible at all. It just keeps the things running smoothly in the background There's a number of things that needs doing. So I mean Liberal offices or document foundation is very fortunate that we have lots of very generous donors So there's some money in the bank that needs deciding when and where and how to spend it Then there's all this kind of decision-making stuff all this dealing with the authorities Whatever taxes and that's counting that sort of nonsense that We are not doing We're not actually doing that on a daily basis anymore. We did that in the beginning so I'm Quite pleased to say that that this is now kind of we have an accountant who does that for us and so that's Actually freeing lots of nights for me and other directors to do more useful stuff Yeah, but the board is really so the last line So if there's any any conflict in the community or if there's any problem trying to solve that in the In the project slow. So for example if the engineering The developers have some issues which we try to either have that Discussed like one-to-one and if that doesn't work then it's discussed in the ESC and I don't think it ever happened that the ESC couldn't come to a conclusion But let's assume that will be the case then the ultimate place to resolve conflict would be the board But we really try hard that this doesn't happen. So the board is really pretty much there to to crank the handle in the background so that the the foundation is running and The the work or but what really matters and what really makes the difference for for the project is What what the volunteers do anyway, so the board is not actually doing anything in a sense of Sitting down and in my role as a director. I'm not sitting down in code. My role as a director. I Make sure that the proper decisions are made and The project is general direction and then kind of budgets are approved etc. I Was running the lightning talk session and we were kind of introducing one project We just started it's about GPG integration and liberal office pretty exciting other than that. It's really meeting people and Walking around seeing interesting things meeting interesting people lots of hallway talks And community really meeting people in person. That's really what what that's the glue what what's Keeping the community together. You don't need that every day, but like once or twice a year It's really really really really great to do that