 Here we go. We are being recorded. Thank you. Great. Perfect. Okay. So when I call the meeting to order at 401 and I'm going to. Call out everybody's name. Here. Anika. Yeah. Alex known as Xander. Here. And Austin. Here. Great. Good. Okay. So where did my agenda go? Had an agenda up and it disappeared on me. Also got me in front of me again. Okay, there we go. So the first order of business is approval of the minutes of March 8. If somebody wants to make a motion. Approve the minutes from March 8. Great. That's second from someone. Second. Great. Does anyone have any comments on. The meeting minutes. Okay. Seeing none. Go ahead and move to vote. Anika. Yes. Alex. Yes. And Austin. Yes. And Alex is an eye. So that's a unanimous vote of the meeting minutes. Next section of the agenda. So since three out of the four people on this committee were not around for the first 2016 push around the feasibility, I thought it might be helpful to see some of the pages upon pages of comments from the community that we received. And just talk a little bit about sort of framework about community outreach. And sort of how we want to structure this going forward since it's a slightly different thing that we're doing now than what we've been doing in the past. We've been doing this for a long time. We've been doing this for a long time. So I sent you, I think some of the results of the surveys, also some of the results of the focus groups, some of the results of the interviews, but there were also. Patron group tours. There were individual tours with, you know, disability access advisory committee team that there was a middle school group at the elementary school. And so there's. So we had the surveys, patron groups, the tours, interviews, public forums, and then there were actually comment boards that were throughout the library. And I think I sent you those as well. So again, that was just kind of to get the three of us up to speed if anyone hadn't had a chance to look through that and have a sense of it and to help us sort of think about what we might want to do in the future in terms of community outreach. So I'm just going to open it up. If anyone has any questions, comments, thoughts about that. Oh, thank you for doing that. It was really helpful to see what had been done. You know, and especially the amount of responses that had come. Through for the survey. So it's like, we can double to know in terms of moving forward. What has been done and reintroduced. And I think this would also be, you know, helpful for community members at one around at that time, or paying as close attention as well. So thank you for that. Welcome. Yes. And I want to comment on one of the things that was helpful, at least from the survey. And again, the survey was, I mean, it was 910 people who responded, which was a great survey response, but certainly not everybody. We got feedback from, but to your comment, Anika previously about who's our target audience. You know, I did note that, you know, 95% of the people who answered that survey were English as a language. They were 30 and above 66% are masters plus 42% were at the highest income bracket. And 49% were already weekly users of the library. So it only tells us anything we probably didn't already know, but it sort of reconfirms that these are target groups. Go ahead, Anika. I'm sorry, did you say, what percent did you say were already library users? 49. Well, 40, they were all predominantly library users, but 49% already use the library on a weekly basis. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I just thought that was an interesting, and again, this wasn't the only thing that was done, but it's sort of the easiest one where we could look at who, who we got information from. So. There's a lot of opportunities around that. After COVID. You know, where you have, I think a lot of people like moving on to looking at libraries that hadn't, you know, maybe been regular users or visitors as really a space for, you know, information and, you know, there's as many people that have had to transition professionally throughout COVID to really be able to see the, the library as a greater resource. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're right. I think, I think people will probably be looking at the library closer to probably the way librarians have been looking at libraries for the last 10 years, just the rest of us catching up to it. So the other thing that I put in there in the meeting packet was the building program. And Angela, I don't know if you can put that up if that's helpful. So while Angela is pulling that up, the reason I put the building program in, so we had a conversation the last time about, you know, sort of what we can and can't change. And we're waiting for the OPM to give us more details about that. And it's not to say that there aren't things that we don't already know. There are things we do already know, but, and so I thought it might be helpful to sort of take a quick look at the building program. So really high level, you know, the things that aren't going to change. And these have been consistent in terms of talking to the public throughout this process is, you know, the size of the building in terms of square footage were roughly around 60 to 3000 square feet. The location of the building. It's going to be in our existing building. The building program is another piece that's not going to change. And then the last is also understanding that the building has a historic preservation restriction on it, which is going to somewhat tie what we can do around the 1928 portion of the building. So anything we do to the 1928 portion of the building is going to be, is going to be with sort of the, the, the fence of the historic preservation restriction, but also that historic tax consultant because we're seeking state tax credits. So that's going to inform the conversations that we have with the public. So I thought it might be helpful for this group. So these are high level. What's up on the screen now, the building program and building program is just a fancy word for what do we offer in the building. What's the, what are the programming and services. And so this shows on the left, the existing square footage. And then what we're moving toward. And what you can see is, you know, adult circulation is increasing significantly. Youth and children. We're actually going to have a teen space, special collections. ESL is pretty significant. Shrinking administration. Stats about the same. And then what we're going to do is, you know, we're going to have a teen space. Shrinking administration. Stats about the same. And then facilities. That's, you know, where your HVAC systems and things go. And then the pages that follow are just the breakdown of the specifics of those. So. Those are, you can just see at the bottom. So the total adult circulation is the number that was on that front page that 5,500 to 81. And so those are how they break down. And so I thought that might be helpful for the group. But I think that's a good point. Because I think one of the first things that we can. Talk to the community about is within those spaces. So we know we're going to have a teen space where we really don't have one now, but what do. Today's teens. Want in that space. You know, what do they see in their own space? And so that seems, and again, I'm not talking where it's located in the building. I'm not talking about the square footage is, I think that's even two conversations. One is, you know, what color are the walls and the floors and the other is, what do you want in that space? I'm going to stop babbling and see if anyone has any thoughts or. Questions about what I'm thinking in terms of frameworks to start with. Yeah. So again. This is helpful and I'm sure if we have. Any other questions. If you have any other community members joining it is, and it's really exciting also to just see. How the spaces like another like for children and young adults. I mean, that's, that's really, that's fantastic. But I had a question and forgive me if this was. Listed with an outreach, but was there a teaming before in terms of community outreach with Angela. Jennifer moisten and Brianna. So the first go round as they. The original comments I have are all related to town meeting. We didn't have a charter when it started. So those community. Outreach positions are on the relatively new side. And I would say. Angela, have they been in existence? I mean, since COVID started, it's been. It's written into the charter. So since 2018. Yeah. Yeah. So I think we're probably the initial, all of the materials I provided was sort of that 2015, 2016 window when we were doing the community outreach for the. Schematic design and the feasibility. And so none of those existed, but I think absolutely. Moving forward, we would definitely want to take advantage of. That's a good thing actually that they were not included because they were not included. So I think that was one of the reasons why we. Like reaching out to. Different parts of the community. And Austin can speak out of this, but I think Austin didn't, I think the library used an independent. Somebody to do the survey. I think that was like independently done. If I'm not. This is like, somebody came. Survey was done as part of the strategic planning. Process for the, for the library. There are other parts of the outreach, which we should just note and remind ourselves about one is that talking about independent facilitators, the town organized a set of conversations, if one might remember, where they brought in facilitators and people were invited. I don't know, I don't remember maybe Angela or the rest of you do to several of these occasions. And so that was that was also done and we used a facilitator there. Alex, may I just raise a question while I'm here? So on the on the non changeables, the library, both to town council and to the library, both to town council and to the public made commitments about sustainability. Which I've shown in particular in the program design. And I would take it that people came and said, well, we want to make the library less sustainable. Can't imagine that exactly. But that would be another one of the things that we would say is not not changeable in its basic commitment. Is that right? Yeah, I was actually putting that into a separate bucket. And maybe I shouldn't be Alex last time and sort of commented about the community expressing values through this process. And so I was sort of putting and again, that's because I don't know what I'm doing. So please feel free. I mean, put these in different buckets was sort of the the fixed things of being, you know, the, the, the building, the square footage, the programming, and then the community values that were expressed. So that it be welcoming and accessible, that it be sustainable and historic preservation. And those were sort of the three things that overarching things that we heard from the community in terms of expressed values. And I guess, so that can be part of the same not changeable piece. May I just say, I think that's very helpful. The thing that I think we need to think about was what were the commitments that the library made to the town council and to the public, I think you've gotten mostly, but I think we want to just keep those in mind as things that we might not want to, we might not want to reverse those commitments. What we're trying to do is to engage people in helping us flesh those commitments out and make sure they work for various communities in town. Yeah, Alex. Yeah, I think that that's all really helpful to think about. I would also, in the spirit of yes, ending that add on the, as you pointed out, Alex, that survey is representative of a population, which is already at the top of the bracket or socioeconomic bracket overly educated or I don't want to say overly educated, but highly educated versus maybe other parts of the population. And so how do we also honor the people who are not in that, right? Like, I guess the question I would have is, do we want the future Jones library to service the same people as the current Jones library? And that question I think will really help guide are we looking to expand the population that it is supporting? Because if that is our goal, then I think we have to figure out how do we bring the participation rate more in line with maybe the town population than the current survey statistical population. Thanks. Okay, so I, the things we're going to, so again, I'm looking at sort of buckets around this. So one is the community values, because I think ultimately one, I think, you know, Alex, you had said in the past, you know, how I define a welcoming accessible building is probably pretty different than somebody who, you know, has, you know, is on the spectrum or who is blind or who is, you know, whatever fill in the blank of whatever it is that's different than, you know, me. And so having the community define what that welcoming accessible means, as well as the sustainability and the historic preservation, because, you know, one person's idea of historic preservation is keeping all the woodwork and somebody else's idea is going back to wood floors. And again, much of that would be dictated, especially when it comes to sustainability and historic preservation, much of it's going to be dictated by the HPR and the tax consultants. So I don't know what that conversation with community looks like, but I anticipate difficult decisions ahead of us. And by us, I mean, the larger design and Jones Library Building Committee, because we're going to have to make choices about, you know, do we do this thing that's going to make the building even more sustainable, or do we do it that's going to be, you know, where we where we the trustees agreed to, I'm sure we could go even further, right? Or, and so I think there's going to be have to be some understanding of community values around the priorities that may be at play, which doesn't mean they go away. It doesn't mean they're still not a priority. It just means when we have to make difficult choices, we have a sense of community priorities. That makes sense. Anika. Yeah, so I'm doing a lot of walking. I don't want to be. I think, you know, just in listening to both Alex and I'm sorry, Xander and Austin, you know, I think, you know, just connecting the dots because, you know, in terms of the audience, like, do we want to serve the population that is currently with the library? Yes. Do we want to expand? Yes. You know, just even quite literally, the library is going to be bigger. It will fit more and not just programs or people, right? So, and I'm also thinking if we focus on our control rules, like there are, you know, we know what we can't control. We know what is set in stone. We know what, you know, and leaving room for things that could change that we do not see coming, but focusing on like, okay, that's still information that we can convey to the public. And then also in terms of outreach in our target audience being who we do not have and who we're seeking. And, you know, so these would be, you know, various forms of people realizing that, you know, we do have, because this is the original studies were some time ago, there are advancements in technology and just in other avenues that we do have, you know, to reach people. And so you would have both, you know, Zeta and I, we wouldn't have been around, you know, for these studies at this time. So it is important, you know, for us to know what has happened. So we're not reinventing the wheel, but like oiling it and changing the wheels, you know, making sure we have more efficient wheels. And, you know, so I think all of this is helpful as we realize where there is the flexibility to, again, make sure that when we're communicating, we're as clear as we can be about what we're already committed to is already happening. Where is their room? Where is there not room? So we can really focus on where those opportunities are. And, you know, for a community that wants to hear, okay, this is, I'm here to know where is the progress, what's going on there. There you go. For the community that's really interested, I want to know where I could have input and make change, whatever that is, I want to be involved. We're engaging them appropriately as well. Okay. So I think four and five are kind of seem to be sort of agenda items that are sort of doing it at the same time. So I believe the schematic design phase, which is theoretically what we're in is somewhere between eight, let's say eight weeks maybe. And when we get to the end of that, right, we're confirming the programming, we're confirming the sustainability goals, like we're giving the architects sort of the go ahead to really start to like, finish up where things go and what some of the details are. So I mean, apps and us getting a timeline from the OPM, I'm just trying to give us a rough sense of things so we can start figuring out when we need to start doing things. And what we want to do first, I know that Austin had suggested sort of a first meeting being getting out to the community and talking about what is the JLBC, who are they, what are we doing, what's this outreach subcommittee giving a lay of the land, people have thoughts around that being a first meeting and when and how and what that might look like. And what do we need to be able, what do we need to have information wise for that to happen that we may not have yet. Do you have your hands in? Yeah, sorry, I've also got a dog that's like trying to sit in my lap and so like, it's I apologize for moving the camera around. The thing, so I think going into that meeting, I really appreciate all the work that went into the preparation for today and being able to show what we, at least what we do know at this point. I think continuing to flesh that out into something that is easily digestible as well as something that community members can leave having put some input on where like, I personally would like to see each meeting that anyone who shows up feels that it wasn't just a class they took, but a cooperation that they took part in and were able to leave having said something that was communicable. So yeah, full stop there. So do we, do we think the first sort of the first thing that this committee should do is structure a meeting where we're informing the public of, you know, where, where are we, what's the timeline? What is this new committee that exists? That's a town committee, you know, what are the expectations? I mean, does that make sense as a first step? I think so. And I think it had been mentioned before, maybe it was you, Alex. Maybe it was you who has said that, you know, it could be a nice idea to have something set up, we're getting into spring, maybe where there's even a chance to engage at different tables, knowing some of the programs where people can, you know, just be reintroduced and, you know, excited, ask questions they have. And, you know, so if this was something that's in person, whether it's, you know, set up where people can make comments there, you know, sending comments and suggestions, so maybe, you know, something like that could be interactive where people are not only able to engage with, you know, with us, with other folks in the library, but also with just community in general and bounce ideas off each other. So does it make sense that a first meeting would be, you know, the lecture portion, as Alex calls it, is the here, here are the new town committees that exist, here's their role and function, but then also have maybe some ability for people to start weighing in about priorities around values or what they hope and like have each of the building programs like ESL teams, etc. and have people be able to somehow have some sort of interactive relative to that and start giving feedback or what do people envision? Yeah, I love the idea of having different tables and spaces for people to interact with each other at whatever level they are. I mean just in our first two meetings, I think like we've already raised some really big questions that we could use input on, right? Values being one of them. On a different level, what goes in these individual spaces, right? And then also, you know, given the results of the survey and who took it, who are we missing? Whose voices do we still need to hear from? And I think by putting that back out into the community and we share a sense of ownership so that like if my family showed up, I might send my kids to go draw what they want to see in the kids space on, you know, blank pieces of paper that have an outline on them. Whereas I might want to go to the who else do we need to take a survey, you know, and like pitch those questions back to people after like you said a brief lecture on who we are. And is that, oh go ahead, Austin. No, I was just going to ask, I was just fleshing out more details but it sounds like you're going to give some. So I was going to ask like is it the whole JLDC that's there? I think we ought to have a meeting as early as it can be arranged. I think the meeting that we ought to have or to focus almost entirely on an introduction of who we are, the we being the building committee and an overview of the process. Who's the OPM? Who's the architect? I think that it would be important not to get people in the first meeting drawing their visions of rooms. The reason being, I think we need to talk with the architects about the process that they've used elsewhere and what's going to be most helpful in terms of their architectural work. I also think it'd be really important to try to engage people in a kind of snowball with us, which is help us think about the outreach process, how to reach the various communities that they will come from. So I just, I worry that the first meeting, which I think should be really kind of introductory process oriented, you know, encouraging people to be involved as the process unfolds, talking about other processes while unfold rather than in that first meeting, jumping into, you know, think about the way you want these rooms to be worked up before we've had a conversation with the architects about where they are in the revision of the schematic designs. So that would be my sense of things. The other thing is, I think that our outreach effort has to be for everybody in the community, though it'll have to take different forms for different communities, because so much has changed, as you all have pointed out, that the people, the 900 people that took the survey or whatever, we want to hear from them as well as we move this process forward, though the outreach efforts may have to be different to different communities in order to reach everybody equitably. So I would just hold back myself from the getting into, you know, imagine what you would like to see in the library in this first meeting. I mean, you know, again, I do agree. I think that, you know, I mean, even if we look at the school building committee, I think they're doing a great job. I mean, what we're talking about is a forum, you know, to start. And I do agree with that. That gives, you know, people an overview and again, just, you know, reiterating what we do know, where are the potentials for involvement and community input. And I think that that makes sense. But and I do think and I don't want us to think like when we're saying target audience that we're just specifically talking about any one group of people, you know, we are talking about just in general, yes, that would include an audience that we don't have. But that could very well also include an audience that we don't have that are do would have been the same exact audience you would have had during these first surveys. You know, so it's just out there. But I do think that also going forward, it would be important for us to at least try if possible to have something where we can engage in person and people could actually come and interact and, you know, see tables. I think that's often one of the downfalls of outreach when you're not actually like going to people making sure that, you know, you're getting out there and going to places where, you know, some of the audience that you do want to attract that you do not have access to are, you know, so that also speaks to Austin's point, the more people we involve, the more organizations that and, you know, committees, whoever it is that we involve, invite to this initial forum, if you will, will be helpful. And then we can, you know, together be able to move towards like having them because it would be important to have like on top of if we did something was in person, on top of tables to the programs that are within the library have, you know, committees that would be, you know, relevant to help bring community there as well. You know, because they're going to bring along their own audiences and even just in terms of advertising or promoting whatever meeting and events that we're doing will have, you know, will have all that going in at once so that will just gain us a, you know, naturally a wider audience. I have mixed feelings, Austin. I think I keep seeing sort of public comment in two buckets and one gets into, you know, what is what are the interior finishes look like? What is the exterior finishes look like? But then one is what do you want the feel of the space to be and what do you want to see in that space? And to me, I mean, I guess I feel like the sooner we can be engaging the public about what what's going to be in those spaces in terms of, you know, what do teenagers want to see in their teen program? I think the sooner we have that conversation, the better, because if we're identifying, you know, if we're identifying things that are important to teens now that the architect needs to be considering, then I think the earlier we're having that conversation the better. But also I think it gets people, I'd be way more excited about coming to a meeting where I could talk about what I wanted to see, you know, in the teen space than I probably would be about learning who the JLBC is, but that's just me. So I don't know if there's some way to have a little bit of both in there. I mean, but again, that's just me. I mean, Anika and Alex, you guys weigh in. That's just Austin and I, we often, we don't agree. Well, I think that like, I think that feelings and specifics are different. I mean, you can always like feel has nothing to do with dictating what is possible necessarily. So if you open up, you open up for people to say, this is what I like to feel is a vibe, if you will, that you know, I want, especially with youth. I mean, they can still participate and see these things. And these are ideas that I would imagine could be taking on to architects and how that, you know, because these are our feels and they're more about atmosphere than necessarily the size of room, the shape of room, where it is or building something that's not. So I do think that it's possible to open the floor for that, which would, yeah, that would make it more exciting for people to come to, you know, and be able to share and we can compile those. I think it's just a matter of like how it is communicated. So it's clear. Okay. So I heard Austin saying meeting as soon as possible. For Anika saying in person would be good. I think it would be a meeting of the whole Jones library building committee. So we would recommend this at our next committee, trying to have some actionable steps for what would be next. Yeah, I mean, I could imagine to be transparent, like I'm not a big, I keep showing up to a movement because of the personalities that being said, some of my longest relationships have come from movement building. So like, who knows, maybe I'm not as self aware as I want to be. Okay. That being said, I think like, for those people who are going to be attracted to the project by knowing the players more, it might make sense to have an area, you know, to do the, this is who we are, this is who the, or this is what the project is, sort of speech to the group, and then also very clearly announced like, and we have work stations around the room. And one of them is that you can go meet the rest of the Jones library committee, right? And we want to make sure that there's a space for people to have that for folks who are interested in dealing with this other question. There's a flip chart over there for those who want to deal with this other and you don't need to stay in the same space, right? And I think that also will be a really good benchmark for us going forwards to see where we have engagement and where we don't. So we can figure out where do we need to start asking people to get involved or looking to cultivate interest, if that makes sense. Because these questions aren't going away, like we can't, we can't get to the finish line and not have clear values, but everyone really knows who the five of us are and call it a success. At least I hope so. Yeah. So how do we want to advertise for this? And are we leading toward in-person and where would just be a matter between me working with folks in the town and the library director figuring out what a venue might possibly be? Could this happen either? Well, I hate to say things that are always like outdoors because you never know about weather, but what about at the library? Whether it's in the front, so there's like, yeah, there's space to spread out. You can have, depending on how the stations are, I think there's there's opportunity to collect thoughts, questions, ideas, and along with giving information at every space. And that's if it's in-person. And if it is, if it's virtual, I mean, thank goodness we've moved along with Zoom. So I think there are ways that to do something where it's still exciting and engaging and you can give information. But I think ideally, it might be nice to have something in-person. There's also the flip side of the audience could be smaller. So maybe there would have to be two options or two meetings scheduled. So if one's online and one is in-person, starting online even. And what do people have in terms of thoughts about day of the week, time of day? Maybe weekend day to accommodate more people. Weekend days? I would think because it's always hard. I mean, I'm just looking at traditionally, I think this is a big Monday through Friday, like eight to four community. I'm a polar opposite. I have no regular schedules. But I think that even if we look at that, we would want to be able to make sure that we have as much participation as possible. So I would probably say like, good mornings or after noon. So that would leave weekdays to evenings, which is also inconvenient. But if we did a weekend day that also, and if there's something for kids as well or whenever it happens, that will allow people to bring their children, which you would want to happen. There may be more flexibility if we can do this on a Saturday or even a Sunday. And I don't know how quickly something like this pulls together, having never tried to pull something together. I don't know whether, I mean, Austin, when you're saying as soon as possible, you probably have a better sense for what is as soon as possible. And I'm thinking April break for schools is I think the third week of April. That's also, I believe, the first farmer's market, which is something potentially interesting to glom onto that might get more people. So I don't know what timing wise you were thinking, Austin, when you say, yeah, okay. I think whenever we can, whenever you can pull it off, I mean, when it makes sense to do it, I just the way I've been thinking about this is I just think that the outreach effort ought to start right away before, you know, we're gonna have to do a lot of design work and a lot of that. Let's get out there and begin to talk to the community. And what you know, we're spending a lot of time talking about how to talk to the community. Let's get talking to the community. So that's, that's kind of whenever that is, whenever it can work out. The other question, Alex and Nico and Xander may know, we might want to look at what the schools are doing or have done and try to benefit from their experience, what is work, what what do they think might work, so that we're we're kind of learning from an effort that's also underway. Yeah, I think part of that is that the MSBA requirements relative to the OPM are much different than they are for the MBLC. And so I think there's a certain element of community outreach and design website, designing of websites, et cetera, that is mandated upon the OPM that's not in the same way. That's my understanding. Doesn't mean we can't do it. It's just may not necessarily be in the costing that we have from our OPM, because it would be atypical. The extent to which it is for the MSBA is my understanding, but I can double check. Yeah. So I forget when spring break is because I'm evidently a bad parent and employee of ARP. So yay, two birds one stone. But I think it would make sense for it to do three weeks. And like the reason why is just one week to put together materials. So article or, you know, some sort of announcement for newspapers, print, et cetera, some sort of flyer to get out to businesses. And one week to actually get those out to said places, including all of the schools, right? I would want to team up with ARPs to see how do we, how can this be in every principal update? PGO, you know, kids backpack. And then so use that first week to settle that up, second week to execute that. And ask people to RSVP if interested and include a phone number email. So that in that third week, we can set out reminders. See you this weekend looking really forward. And that might also be a good place to start doing some of the introductions, hearing interactions, et cetera. So coming into Saturday, it's not the first time we've heard from folks, but in the actual reservation or not reservation, but in the actual reminder, you know, if you have any questions you want us to address, make sure to shoot us an email before Sunday. We'll see you there. April 15 through April 24. And then also like keeping in mind, there's a lot, there's quite a bit of planning going on for different events that will be coming up around the summer that are also, you know, partnered with the school system and all that. So it's like also, you know, going forward to, you know, keep relevant, keep engaged, you know, have presence at, you know, some of these different events and things like that to just keep it going. Because again, this is the start creating buzz. I absolutely agree with the three weeks. And I think it would be important to have a safe date, maybe out as soon as possible. So people can concede. I think there are a lot of community members that are waiting, you know, just waiting to know, okay, when, when are we going to engage, you know. Okay. Along that sort of same vein, in the last meeting, Alex, you had asked if we could have the folks from the library who are involved in the community partnerships attend one of our meetings. And so those two people are Janet Ryan, who's our head of programming and outreach, and then Mia Cabana, who's our head of youth services. And they both are super on board and totally not available Tuesdays at four o'clock, either one of them. But they are putting together a list that we'll have for our next meeting of sort of the partnerships that the library has. And we have, we've heard of partnerships that we're constantly working with, and then we have ones that turn off to be one-off situations, but maybe this is a good chance for us to develop them even further. And so I'll have that for our next meeting so that we can maybe springboard on those partnerships as ways to get the word out for these meetings as well. And then they both are, you know, want us to keep them in the loop in terms of, you know, the library, getting the word out that they'll use all their various and sundry methodologies as well. So. So one of the things that is just familiar to me, and I, I don't like this language, so I apologize in advance, familiar to my organizing background is the idea of testing relationships with very simple tasks. And so it takes some of the guesswork out of like, like you said, some of these relationships are really vibrant and ongoing, and some of these are one-offs. I'm curious if we, if we ask for them to go back to all of these community partners and open the Rolodex and get a flyer out to everyone or to invite them to participate in this, it might be a really good barometer of how vibrant those relationships currently are or are not based on who shows up. Good point. Okay. Okay. So I guess I, there's, sorry, I'm struggling with the fact that there's no like staff person here. There's no, I'm sort of trying to figure out what the role of chair is and who's executing these things because we don't have a library director as part of this as we normally would. And so I'm sort of struggling with how things move forward. In Austin, you have a look that tells you you have an idea. So if, if, you know, okay. So I'm just sort of trying to figure out like, okay, so we have some ideas. I mean, one of the things I think that, you know, Annika talked about last time is an inventory of available tools for communication. So you know, I don't know whether, I don't know how that happens. I don't know whether we divide and conquer. I don't know whether I go and ask that of somebody. I'm trying to sort of figure out how do we move whatever we decide in this group into action? Like, I think that we have a lot of people ready and waiting. I think that again, with a save the date, I think we have no shortage of folks who we can send this to who can spread the word to, I mean, even, even just central, you have library, you have the town and you have different organizations and just, you know, ask them, you know, we post this, but I think it would be a matter of, you know, again, getting, getting a little something as far as save the date and then having, you know, an email to ask with it and sending that at once to, you know, all the stakeholders that we want to send it to. Who creates that document, who approves that document, who sends that, like these are the things I don't quite know how that's happening and who's directing it. It's what I'm trying to sort of get my arms around. It's assuming it's us here. So even if we have to say, okay, if we had to do this, and it was just us in the room, you know, you know, who can get a flyer together? Like, I'm, I'm willing to get a flyer together for people to look at if there's no one else. But I think that, you know, again, we also have, you know, we have folks that we have, you know, Jennifer Moyster, and we also have, I'm sorry, why do I always like what do we have? Then we can also ask Breonna at the town hall, she does these types of things. So I think that we need to look at this as not necessarily like reinventing the wheel, but just what wheels do we want? You know, what wheels do we want to put on it? And then the people are there. And, you know, just ask them. And, you know, because if you think about that, especially the people that they do this all the time, right? So they're people who are always organizing, you know, especially around outreach and flyers and getting that out. We can also help because we'll have broader networks, you know? And, you know, we can talk to others and make sure I'm just even, you know, amongst our cells. I said there's a lot of, you know, events that are being planned. So I know you'll have some of us that are already working with different organizations and different capacities. And so, you know, whether we did a check in, we could have a list in this week, just making sure that we're aware of all the organizations to reach out to, make sure we haven't left anyone out. I'll look at that and just, okay, you know, have we left someone and start to communicate. But I think that if we're talking about three weeks, that should be, you know, that would need to be a priority because we would want this information, whatever it is, to get out fairly soon as a safety date. Okay. So are you, are you offering to reach out to Brianna? Do you want me to reach out to Brianna? What's- I'm happy to. Yeah. Okay. I don't want to put more on you. I know you already have a lot on your plate. So I want to be cognizant of that. I can, I'll check on availability of the library tent because I know it does, I know it's going up soon. And I know it gets booked by programming. So I'll find an available date for that. And then I'll circle back with the community partners for that piece. Okay. Okay. And then hopefully, I don't know, we have a different lead for our OPM. So I don't know whether we want to set our next meeting or whether we want to wait to find out what that person's available to give us, whether they're just going to send us the list. I just want to make sure that didn't get dropped in terms of that sort of structure of process from the OPM. I'm sorry. I had a little bit of weirdness here in you. No, it's okay. It starts long when I say anything. I'm just trying to figure out for our next meeting. Do we just want to set a meeting for two weeks? Do we want to- Yes. Great. Thank you, Alex, for- Thank you. So let's see. Two weeks from today is April 5th. Does that work for folks? April 5th at four? If you said April 5th at four p.m.? Yeah, I believe that's Tuesday. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm just putting it in. So we do have a couple members in the audience. So we do have a public comment. If anyone who is in the public would like to share a comment, thought, question, we welcome it. Raise your hand. Be happy to hear from you. Nothing from the audience. Thank you for attending. Appreciate everybody in the audience who's attending. Okay. I think- Is there anything that I didn't speak to ask, talk about that someone would like to speak to, talk, ask about? I think the biggest thing that I actually had on here was Austin's comment from the last meeting about what it means for this committee to make recommendations, what that piece of our charge means. I think at some point, preferably before we have this meeting with the community, we need to come up with some kind of agreement of whether we're collating public comments and passing them along, whether we're making some kind of recommendation, what exactly does that piece of the charge mean? If people- Yep, Austin. So not on this question, Alex. I'm sorry. Something else I think that we might consider doing, and here you could reach out to the library director if you think it's a good idea. Many communities, as you very well know in western Massachusetts, have recently renovated their libraries. And I wonder whether we could benefit from finding out what kind of community outreach was done, what they thought worked, what they thought didn't work. And there, if you think that information might be of value, you might ask Sharon whether she could solicit such information over the kind of library director's lists or something like that. Yep. Thanks. Okay, so we'll table the conversation about what recommendation means for another day. I mean, I guess one of the things I want to maybe not to dodge the question, but at the next Jones Library committee meeting is like asking them, what do you expect? Like, what do you expect from us, right? Maybe not in that tone. But just that way, we have an idea of what the charge, you know, I'm assuming they're the ones who set the charge. So like, let's get some clarification from them and then figure out how we make that work for us. I think that's an excellent plan, Alex. Thank you. I like it. Good. All right. Unless somebody has anything else? Oh, I just wanted to ask last library committee, someone mentioned that something had happened with the OPM and so we had a new project manager. Can someone fill me in on that? Austin, do you know more about that than me? I mean, I just know that we have a new project manager. It's still Colliers. Colliers shifted the staff person. There were some communications issues which I was not involved with between, I think, the library director and the staff person. And the question was just about rapidity of response. And in any case, when that was raised with Colliers, they decided to switch the person who would be our representative. That's what I know and that's what I believe happened. Which, I mean, the person who, you know, our former person had recently become our staff person. So it's not like we lost somebody who we've been working with for years. Colliers we've been working with at the beginning, but not this particular person. So yeah. Okay. Good. All right. Thank you, everybody. I appreciate everything. And we'll see you in two weeks or whenever our next JLBC meeting is. Thank you. Thanks, Alex. All the meeting adjourned. Thanks, everyone.