 Dr. I'm back at the UCLA Law School for the second day of the DMC 1201 hearings and we've just heard a procedure or a hearing on on a possible exemption to expand fair use and and with me are the people who argue for it. I wonder if you can introduce yourselves and maybe one of you can talk about what the exemption you were asking for was. Well I'm Jack Lerner I'm a professor at UC Irvine Law School and I direct the UCI Electroproperty Arts and Technology Clinic and we were here on behalf of documentary and non-documentary independent filmmakers as well as multimedia e-book authors. I'm Betsy Rosenblatt I'm a law professor I teach at Whittier Law School and direct the Center for Intellectual Property Law there and I'm also the legal chair for the Organization for Transformative Works and I'd like to say it wasn't a hearing to expand fair use it was a hearing to to decrease restrictions on fair use. That's well said I accept your friendly members. These are things that people have a right to do and we're just taking away that technological limitation. Yeah and the way I describe the DMCA there's many parts of the DMCA but this part is section 1201 makes it illegal to rip from DVD or Blu-ray and the issue with that and why we're here today is because it's legal to use the material you can make their use of that material you just can't access it because the act of ripping from DVD or Blu-ray is the legal and for my clients who are documentary filmmakers they have LLCs that can actually be a crime. Makes so much sense to criminalize how you get it but not what you do once you've got it. I'm Tisha Turk I'm a professor of English so I get to be the non-lawyer in the room at the University of Minnesota at Morris I'm also a member of the organization for transformative works and I am a fan bidder so I'm here representing video remix artists. Hi I'm Art Neal I'm the executive director of New Media Rights we're actually based at California Western School of Law where I teach a legal clinic all related to cyber law and the exemption that we were here arguing for because there's a couple of good positive exemptions trying to allow more already legal uses and our exemption was to try to streamline language right now that's about 800 words and where you have to figure out am I making a documentary or not and is what I'm doing non-commercial or not am I the right kind of educator am I talking about film and media studies or am I am I possibly talking about something that is not quite film and media studies and so we were trying to streamline and make the exemption more accessible