 She has like, you know, instant access early access to stuff because otherwise like how the hell did this happen you say like the weirdest strange and totally Non-relatable shit about movies Well, we covered it think who's she did peacemaker and Was the other one who's Mario and was it was there a third race Randall video we've covered She's been pretty golden every time we've checked our side squad. Oh fuck. Yeah, not peacemaker. Yeah. Yeah, was there a third one though? Feels like we've covered loads of her and it's just been to how about it Crazy, you know, it's just us. That's that's how she does it She gets in your head and you're like I need to know more of Grace's opinions We can like grace and Ben Shapiro in the same stream. We had those two tell us about media. It was the who's surreal His review on everything everywhere all at once like pissed me off. Oh god. What do you say about that shit? So all he did essentially was he went over the movie very very briefly but all but throughout most of the video he complained that it got a Golden globe and he was saying the golden globes always suck Therefore this movie is bad and then toward the end of the video. He finally just He talked mostly about the golden globes and then at the end he said so in summary you have to accept lesbians across the multiverse That's the whole movie Not all the multiverse just your universe that'd be fine We'll be good And then he just moves on away from that film. I don't know. Yeah, that was his takeaway Was beans and remember he's kind of like a really hard conservative So as soon as like there's a lesbian in the movie that takes some sort of presence It kind of goes down like five activates the neural programming. Yeah, I Mean, you know lesbians. We're in it. So there's also sausage fingers rocks. There's a bunch of stuff. Yeah Recoons that's true Yeah, that's right. Oh, what a what a fun movie that was It was great I'm sure there'll be plenty more to come Not for now though. We got to get through a little new maid and some other stuff Indiana Jones It's kind of funny though, it's like Indiana Jones a you know action adventure hero Getting fucking titted to the old man to be you know ridiculed and also a little bit made is getting butchered It's just like why those two now and what's happening leave them alone. Maybe they could team up kill people or something Indiana Jones ride a mermaid through the ocean with people. I don't know the flash is coming out real soon. Oh, yeah, the flash Everybody says it's so great man. Warner Brothers insists. It's such a great Everyone's insisting. It's a very good film. They really are it's just strange. It's so weird reviews insist They got to save that movie at all costs I'm sure they will gonna be something to Behold Hopefully some good stuff in the mix. Hopefully across the spider versus cool. I hope mission possible dead reckoning and fast X Yeah, that's that's out now. Yeah Exciting I've seen plenty of people say I loved it. So Is that I? Think it's gonna be an authentically Petrol fuels The trailer what's his name? It's it's it's Dom, right the main guy he like Drives off of I think Hoover Dam as there's an explosion that follows him down Hoover Dam as he drives down and ramps off it Yeah, you know in the scope of crazy things that they've done in that series. It's not that it's not insane really no Normal The one before it they drive off of a cliff like towards like a collapsing bridge hook the car To like the hook that's on the bridge and then use it to slingshot across like a chasm to the other cliff You're under space in a car in one of them. Don't they they do that's what I think it was that one There's a bit of a meme on Twitter of just share the moment you thought Fascinatious like you know went insane and there's one clip I saw of Dom like fucking stumps the ground and a whole like concrete Thing just falls apart and he like I guess kills Jason Statham or something Wasn't the real jump the shark moment it was in the Seven that when they drove like they drove out of the bird Khalifa and then like shot into another building Like really just sort of like wow Goes off the road sevens like fucking out Maybe it's not when it went off the rails, but that is a good like landmark moment of stupid. I guess. Yeah Like you haven't actually jumped a day cool They need to jump a shark. Why haven't they done that they should just throw that in yeah Funny and it just misses the the tires as it goes over like bites. That's right Well, like it's a crossover with the mag right well, I mean they're owned by different studios I guess but Jason Statham's in both of those As if we wouldn't pay through the fucking nose to see that They've got big old squid an octopus or something in the new bag, so I I kind of want to watch it Yeah, I mean, you know it looks like you'll be funny. It's a high budget shark and a do at this point why not So yeah, hello everybody we are we are live and look look at this wonderful set of guests We've got a whole bunch of people who've been here before but I don't think I've ever been here together a question mark Who hasn't met each other here say hi Hi, hello. Hello. Hi We did it everyone's introduced now Yeah, that was easy. Ah nice nice One thing that I believe unifies a lot of us is is the concept of Criticism, would you not agree? Would you guys not agree with that? We kind of all do it? I Wouldn't worry about that. I would or not not a I would not not agree Well, I mean you're not gonna get away with it CJ because you've got reviews in your name. Oh Oh Snappy got me. Yeah, I was gonna say I didn't want to point out beast and a call like you got a bit of poop on your dress I'm like, it's right there, man So many hold on never mind So I would say that it's about time that we check out a point of view that kind of goes against that Entire concept wouldn't you say? Or at least yeah kind of comes across like it might I'm not gonna say that's exactly what the video has say, but It might have something along those lines to talk about. I've linked the watch together. We've got I think everyone's in No one person's missing This video is called film criticism should not be negative No, that's that's quite a That's quite a claim ain't it one could call it incendiary as a title Quit an ambitious statement. Yeah, there are some people that would say like fighting game characters should never be nerfed only buffed And it's like, huh, I don't know what to think of that. I don't think it's that loads here God What if the film is really really bad Well, so this is a thing I think the most normal interpretation of that which is why I think a lot of people clicked the video was Wow, so only positive forms of like analysis and criticism, huh? Or neutral, I guess right if you're not allowed to be negative or they shouldn't be negative Then all you have left is you know neutral and what is a video that is exclusively neutral? criticism look like it might oh Oh Neutral criticism you dip into the negative when you like point out pieces of information that are irreconcilable Is it like Michael Douglas stars in this film? Is that neutral? You know those you know those channels that are just like oh, here's the movie This is a recap of the movie. This is what happens in it. Do you those channels like popping off lately? It's really weird. Yeah, that's the thing though like They are just brought up is it is it is it neutral if you do it in a totally flat voice and you just present two pieces of contradictory information, maybe leave like five second Jim's early made a video on exactly this topic actually. I'm pretty sure that we I'm pretty sure that's something that we covered We've even covered all you tend to cover it or something but what it was it was I think it would have been like it was just relaying information and it was presented as this is Like the only means by which you can like relay objective information about like any piece of art I think that was what the goal of that one was Maybe that's like an example of what would be to be totally and utterly neutral But then there's a problem of like any decision you make about what you choose to talk about Versus what you don't choose to talk about could in and of itself be said to be yeah You know positive or negative, right? Well, if you only talk about the writing and order, you know Or if you only talk about the acting if you only talk about the soundtrack, it's just things like You choose to talk about to me as important as like what do you say about them? But uh, we've we here at EFAP have covered videos that are exclusively negative and exclusively positive We did cinema wins and sins we've done back and forth even though I think cinema sins will often have like a You know, it'll it'll point out something that's clearly good in a jokey way or something and then be like ha ha Sins is that's their way of trying to complement cinema wins. I'm trying to think of if cinema wins has ever done a criticism I think they they tend to avoid it entirely I'm pretty sure that our cinema wins will just like I'm pretty sure he didn't like I'm pretty sure that with Logan He compliments it a lot, but he kind of didn't like it and Clear, I think so. Yeah, that might be that might be an instance I'm pretty sure that there are occasionally criticisms Wow People who like take channels like cinema sins like too seriously and not as in terms of like entertainment value It's mostly in turn. It's for entertainment, right? Yeah, he would definitely claim that okay channel and if you take it too seriously It's basically your problem and if you get triggered by it and it's negativity Well, so what people do with cinema sins, they're like you destroyed a generation Well, I always get put off by the concept even with their proof They're like look at movies now They'll focus on like explaining things and the plot being like tighter instead of character It's like what movies you watch in where these movies. I don't fucking see these movies Work such that it is compromising characters like I guess just having people bluntly expose it at the screen Yeah, that's the thing I can see this possible. It's like what movie would you guys suggest is that kind of movie? I mean look at the MCU. It's piss. It's clearly not the product of like Actually, this is how that works even though Honest trailers and I think cinema sins influence the Russo's when making Winter Soldier and Civil War They wanted to make them I think they described when they were making Winter Soldier and they talked about it on screen junkies They said they wanted to make it honest trailers proof or something like that Cinema sins proofs and which is a funny thing to say because it's impossible. Yeah, that's pretty impossible. Yeah I guess you mean like the whole format is that it doesn't matter how good you Yeah, I'm pretty sure that cinema sins has done like cinema sins things for like just Well regarded like good things like just widely pull up and stuff I was just there's a bit of irony there Isn't there that if they were like they try to do that with Winter Soldier and Winter Soldier was one of the most popular MCU movies ever and it's like damn you with your interest in what trying to remain Uncriticizable. It's just strange. I'm all for Artists, you know not building things To please critics or whatever we get some really weird results when they do that But the idea that cinema sins is somehow horribly influenced the film industry. It's like no People feel a certain way about criticism and I believe it should be time I mean, you know because I imagine everyone here has just the the normal neutral position of Go nuts be negative be positive be be neutral whatever just make your video. Hopefully it's accurate and you're passionate Yeah, you're correct. That's the big thing So I guess we can start this up. We'll see What gets said All right, I'm excited see about the how long it takes to start it up. You annoyed Theo gets Black Adam killed Well, if he's parodying like like ball to set it back, I guess no way home had There's plenty people who didn't like it plenty people did so, you know, there's something but Yes, the MCU is trash Why would you play otherwise? Yeah, worst thing I've ever seen in my entire life Little mermaids I think that the problem is this video came out like five months ago. So Hated Not including well, he already shown black Adam such DC covered I guess Marvel rings of power Fringy you might want to turn up your audio or like come closer Are you are you better are you okay? Yeah, it's hard. I'm tired Avatar the way of water that isn't even out yet and it's easily the most overrated and over height movie of the entire gear Yeah, it's pretty overrated. I don't know. Yeah. I don't think it was very good Something is overhyped before it's out Like you can say like a crazy and wacky voice, but like yeah, that film is pretty overrated. We've come across this before We're uh, you take like whatever is considered the greatest, you know, if it's medium of all time It's probably gonna be overrated. You're like, what why and you're like, well because How do you reach that fucking point? Is like the third fourth highest grossing film that no one third fourth highest grossing film of all time nominated for an academy award over other obviously better films So, you know, like I think it's fine, but it's fine. I think it's bad Well, we never did coverage on it. Unfortunately We did this is forge episode You have to say their name you can't just describe them Challenge level 1000 Don't worry if you can't I don't know if anybody can My favorite is I've I actually legit I forgot Jake there you go And then Remember quarks. Remember how how it wasn't as interesting I miss Almost a good guy by the end It's got weird bad You're gonna kill a son. That was really weird He got the uh the hero moment, you know have been like don't kill my son, please He is my son, but he was also killed in some sense. You know, it's this whole thing Absolute trash. So I guess this makes me a real film critic now, right? Wrong If you spend time in the youtube, I don't even know what who who are you straw man? Who does this? Dosa slash That that tattoo is a bold choice a woman in the woods and it's like huge and it's colored and everything Is that is that the witch? Oh I think that's the witch. Yeah. Yeah Imagine he had The film title audit ad like produced by at all the credits of the bar Like the movie poster. Yeah It's an interesting choice. I'll give him that As I said, I guess he really likes that movie. That is a that's a powerful tattoo You know what? He can commit to a big tattoo. So, you know, I guess he's putting his Ink where his think is nice Wrong If you've spent time in the youtube video essay slash film criticism space You've probably seen your fair share of negatively slanted videos You know the ones with the thumbnails with the person who's like crying or screaming or both And it has like a big chunk of text next to it. This is something like trash or Failure or pain pp dudu. In fact, I know that you're not totally immune. I've seen the pp dudu ones. Yeah They're my favorite. No, maybe fair pp dudu is pretty good. That's pretty good. Yeah, I do click those It's a valid criticism But you know, you cannot like contextualize in terms of like negativeness because Those kinds of videos exist on the positive side too. Like there's so many People that throw around the word masterpiece the best made perfect. Yeah Those looking like shocked out of their mind masterpiece in bold letters across the top of the thumbnail The little mermaid changed my life from here Yeah, it's like in sincerity not only just like negativity, you know, yeah, everyone's trying to over exaggeration Yeah, and dramaticness. That's the problem with that It goes into these kinds of videos because they're likely the only reason you're seeing this video right now Yes, I am a hypocrite every human being is I'm very aware of it. Where do you think I got the idea for this video? All right, I guess Simply accepting that What why do that? Well, and the thing is to draw it. It sounds like so he's already anti like, um exaggeration But he does it this you already feel like of the cut. He's just like, all right He seems to title to me Yeah, continue Oh shit He seems to be Painting like trying to maximize engagement through the algorithm in that way as necessarily bad, which I don't think I agree with That's what we are. Welcome to youtube makes me roll my eyes, but Yeah, I'm trying to think of it bad I think it really makes me roll my eyes if I don't feel like Um, the promise came through like if someone says like this fucking weird thing and then they spend the video being like Well, you know, I just didn't really like that But if they spend it actually like angry ranting it's like, well, whatever that's what the thumbnail said That's what they promised This isn't some pull the rug out from under you moment Where I reveal that all of these videos were part of a villainous scheme to I never I why even I didn't think that Nobody would It's like, come on put your hand up if you thought that it's like one guy like I know we just started but I think I'm starting to put a finger on the style of comedy that this guy's going for great Yes, that's pretty funny. I've had to mute multiple times because it's really funny I didn't want to bug anyone with my laughter. Of course cackling I was cackling like a fucking hyena over here YouTube to you No, uh, they were all completely genuine. I am mostly. Oh, well, so then they're not like exaggerated then Yeah What's wrong with it? I'm starting to want to like, you know, if you say like this is the fucking worst movie ever and someone goes Oh, no need to be so hyperbolic and you go. No, I actually think that And they're like, oh So the lesson is don't ever not like anything This is don't ever feel an extreme I guess Yeah Because uh, you know, there are people out there who do have favorite movies and when they say this is a masterpiece Well, perfect. That's not them over exaggerating. They just feel that way and the same goes in the reverse. I think No, I wonder if the people who feel extremes might be the ones who feel incentivized to go out and make videos on things I don't know. Yeah This thing is just sort of okay Yeah I give this a Okay out of 10 six out of 10 ish I'm probably very proud of them and I'm very Sincerely happy that people are engaging with them in any way, but I can't help but look at the absolute bat 1.2 million views on the Dahmer video and think like How did we get here? Like, I mean we as in all of us here I mean I don't know about the video. I mean receiving a lot of criticism. Like I don't think it's On I don't think it's unfair that that you say is bad that his video got that engagement. It's like, but why Yeah, oh no Yeah, he seems upset that like a negative video did well or the Is it even negative? I don't know. I guess who is Dahmer even made for sounds critical of Dahmer. I would say Um, but I don't know. I mean, maybe the video is good It might be a good video That could be why people have watched it and spread it around. I don't know actively on youtube How did we get here? How did negative criticism of media become just as much of a spectacle? Um, I find this Find this to be like a weirdly it's a weird thing to be like a new revelation of people tend to like Uh, like receiving more negative information than positive information or people are more receptive to Negative information than positive information. It's like that's a pretty it's pretty normal, right? Well, you see there's definitely there's definitely a few things behind it. Like I also think that negative criticism stuff has the potential to be a lot funnier than positive criticism and there is definitely more and certainly that Well, he's saying like when did it become a spectacle and I'm just thinking about meme, right? It's like it always has been it always has been. Yeah Yeah The first cave scrolls that were made fun of by I mean the first the first big like reviewers on youtube were People like the angry video game nerd and nostalgia craig, but this is one This is where I mean it feels weird because it's like where you've been Um, because that would be another thing. It's like pinpoint to me where it all went wrong And I don't think you'll be able to I don't see how you know People in chat are saying even Siskel and Abert were um critical back in like the 70s. Yeah The two thumbs down thing they made it iconic doing that when people watch their show because it's entertaining I'm not going to say people will like I can't wait for them to rip and fuck the move, but it was Technically a spectacle people would go and see it for what it was All I know the show the uh the critic the um the Yeah, yeah, yeah from Simpsons adjacent His catchphrase was it stinks and that was meant to be like a parody of critics He's part of the problem like the ideas in the 90s They part of the problem like Well, everybody in this video. He says this all goes back to the 80s. That's where it all went wrong We get here how did negative criticism of media become just as much of a spectacle as media itself I will say Also going we'll just quick the the media has gotten I would rather watch CJ's review of velma than velma like easily That's where we're at, you know No, that's not a compliment my man That's how fucking frustrated is to watch some of the stuff that's new that comes out You'd rather watch someone tell a story about that story than watch that story to speak, um So, you know, this doesn't surprise me at all and and if you were like, oh so bad media never existed before I was like, no, no, it always has you always has and you couldn't be making these videos But people have been really noticing as of late And is that because films have gotten worse? Well, it's because criticism has been easier than ever to create and put out there and access It's not just a thing that's relegated to people in newspapers who make columns or who have syndicated tv shows or Bits on news channels It's a very democratized kind of art form now and skill And I wasn't watching CJ's video for him to watch and be negative. I needed to see that scuba-doo onesie. That was That was on my bucket list and now I've ticked it off People people seem to like that onesie. Yeah How did negative criticism of media become just as much of a spectacle as media itself Media is the word and criticism got better also. I find it weird that we've said this like it's a bad thing Yeah, what's so wrong? That's how good media analysis has gotten that it's a by its own form of entertainment and artwork Well, I was going to mention like mystery science theater as well Like has been around for a very long time and that you know was pretty Pretty predominantly negative But that was the whole point of the spectacle, right? Well, they weren't really like Negative it was just a bad movie, but they didn't like say all this movie. It was sucks or anything like that. It was all jokes Oh, it was negative Well, sure it's like It gave off that air, but they didn't say all this movie sucks. It was just lots of jokes Uh Yeah, did they never actually say like these movies or shit or anything? No, I don't recall like a lot of the time it was just making fun of the movie There would be a lot of jokes about trying to like escape the movie and get away or can we do literally anything else? All right, I mean the whole premise of the show is that um They're stuck on a on a satellite and evil people are sending them the worst movies I could ever find So if it's on the show, it's already baked into the premise of the show that it's a terrible movie Yeah, but they'll use like offhanded funny comments like some gal with like some massive hair and she looks irritated They'll say like this perms my hair. You know something funny like so what'll happen a movie comment Uh, especially if their format matches Along with a lot of other Older creators of any kind that matches as people say no, but they were funny though. No, they were insightful though Now it's gotten to be blah blah blah blah Yeah, it's a problem. Now you got people making six hour videos complaining about sjw's So you was Are they gonna is he gonna put up a thumbnail of uh some of your videos and I'm not no I I think this this video stays strictly just to the concept of like criticism and just whether or not Like in such a broad set. I think why am I scared to mention but um I can't remember who else much of a spectacle as media itself Why is the word criticism Broadly seen as an inherently negative term and what purpose does any of this serve Well, because uh, I think that is just a reality if when people think criticism I'd say they think like 80 20, you know negative positive That's one use of the word I think the question constructive criticism is often like a word that is surrounding right the word constructive because criticism is often viewed negatively I mean, I think the question like what's the what the what point does this serve is so stupid in this case because like It's obvious. What purpose does it serve? Like, um, we have audience for a reason, right? I mean people watch it For a purpose. I'm trying to think if you want to move your pain, right What are like the ultimate uh things to boil it down to be like informative and entertaining would be the two main ones I think right Um, so you find out information you didn't have previously that you're interested in and you are given feelings of fun That those are the Main things that are happening in the videos of people I think watch and depending on which creator you're watching you'll get a different mix of uh, you know funny slash informative Yeah, and like fun And the thing is I hate when people like pretend as if you don't have a choice on social media to not click on anything Like if you don't like it, just don't click on it I don't see it We encourage individual action. Yeah Yeah, you can see The thumbnail says dumber is terrible and you can go He is it was like a serial killer. Maybe you even tell the algorithm to stop sending you It's the hot take But yes, you you could even do that. You could say, uh, what is it not interested or something and it'll move it away mm-hmm I'm going to attempt to answer all of those questions, but before I do, please keep in mind This is all just my own perspective You want to have that moment where a guy's watching and he goes what I thought this was my perspective. Okay Fine. Well negative criticism is our perspective. So I thought you were gonna tell us Alien perspective that'd be interesting. See what they think it really is just to leave me alone like button, right? Don't be mad. Yes. Um, it's my opinion. It's like you just it's almost like you're just retreating from making a definitive statement It's like that's not gonna do anything, but okay Right now You because yeah being like this is just my opinion. It's like, all right Did you what did what was it? What did you think we thought it was? mm-hmm, and even if it's just your opinion like What does that mean? It's like what does that make relative statements as your opinion exactly critical of your opinions in a certain way Can't be critical of my opinion. It's my opinion What else is it gonna be man? Of course And also don't you don't have to say it's just your opinion. You have to devalue it right from the game It's just yes. It's all you could be revolutionary with your opinion. You could change the world Don't let your memes be dreams However, it is just my opinion We need the president whoever it is that every single speech begin it with that. This is just my opinion Now remember guys It's just what I think no need to get your panties in old not or ever anything. Okay I am in fact self-aware Dude the fucking like commandment zero is this is just my opinion The first commandment on a little poster on the back of one of the tablets I do please keep in mind white thing behind you. What is that? I so my assumption was that I think that's up there so that you can put images on without it looking More weird, but I don't know because he's got that black sheet there as well Well, if he's if he's looking to do that, I think you would want green screen, wouldn't he? No, not like well, it's not just like good luck wall. He just puts it there. So it's like, yeah, yeah That could be his good luck. Well. Yeah, it makes no sense. Yeah, it looks like a like a box or something It looks like a wall. It just looks like a portion. He's got his Everyone has their walls Robots from interstellar And this is like his I don't think this looks anything like those robots. It kind of does In that they are both rectangles, right? They're both Yeah, sure, but like in this one do the run, you know where it spins Probably I think it's highly probable This is all just my own perspective and try not to take it too personally I'm not gonna you just did I wasn't gonna but now I'm now I'm thinking I'm feeling pretty personally offended It really it really sounds like you took that very personally to you I'm too nervous Why are you doing this? Fuck yeah It's two minutes already Well, I guess it's kind of interesting, right? Because the claim film criticism should not be negative It's like a lot of people could take that personally. I mean it's in my name. I'm gonna have to take it personally. I'm sorry What if it's my opinion that I want to take it personally? You can't stop me now Actually, yeah Just my perspective Oh, it's done with the golden stuff right at the beginning. Good luck. Let's do it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah Oh that music fucking toasty using the fucking mask everyone Beneath the mask in persona five every single video sas uses It even shows up in the delb Like six times Always always hit the video Currently I don't really like this song. That's really really. It's probably everybody uses it ruined now. It's ruined. You know, I was uh I was playing um, I was playing Uh tears of the kingdom and I was I think uh breath of the wall has some songs that a lot of people will uh use as well But not as much as this one. Sorry. I don't know where I was going with that. I was just a brain thought I thought I had a point but now it's gone I do really like this track though. It's neat. Um persona five soundtrack is fantastic What I hear it's a good soundtrack with an okay game attached to it pretty neat That's about right. So before we really get into where we're at currently online I do need to talk about criticism as a word, you know, what what does it mean? What function does criticism serve back to us stuff? Do you we're gonna dive into our history, right? I'm really curious what What would you feel you need to cover for this section? You know, I wonder I don't know what he's gonna say It could be like that miller light ad that they're trying to hide women were among the first involved in criticism Ha women women weren't around. We would not have criticism Obviously, I can't give a full history of criticism. You could coward you could a history of criticism It all began me like, oh god in this video because we'd be going all the way back to 300 What's this image? Oh This reminds me of Why do we have plato on screen No, man, not this again. What? We have to go back to Look, I think this is good. That's right, man. He's going. He's covered all the bases I think you guys are shitting on this too early. This is gonna be insightful. I think I'm gonna give him a wide berth I can't wait for this. I can't give a full history of criticism in this video Be going all the way back to 300 He's not going all the way back Okay, we end up repeating a lot of what John Dryden had to say about criticism. Oh, man. Yeah, john Because you just make me skeptical about whether or not you've read Theo to be fair, all of us we're going to talk about Richard Rynan Labor Fnisen the german philosophy like we were going to talk about all that but really everybody's too familiar at this point I'd say I would be less suspicious of his education if he had said nothing about these people whatsoever But just name dropping them only to move on now. I'm like the dj I've never heard I like how the dog and the portrait is like, please mr. Dryden. Can you please stop criticizing things? I'm really hungry. I want to go. I want to go on a walk and I'm really hungry. Can you please stop criticizing? Yeah, all those books. Those are his critiques Then they could then you just start circling critiqued his own books because he's just that keeps going man You see with Aristotle if not earlier And I basically end up repeating a lot of what John Dryden had to say about criticism back in 1677 In the first place I must take leave to tell them that they wholly mistake the nature of criticism who think its business is principally defined fault Criticism as it was first instituted by Aristotle was meant a standard of judging well I said John Dryden. Oh, it doesn't really need to mention it because we're all very familiar Yes, we all know this is just for those in the audience who didn't read uh, John Dryden's Preface to state of innocence from 1677, which is 77 edition is the best one. I'm required reading for e-fap So if you haven't read that there will be a test. Uh, just so we're clear pick it up So, um, yeah standard of judging well, you're not supposed to just be looking for things to hate. You're supposed to be judging well Yeah solid Because time is a flat circle for the sake of the video and my own sanity I'm gonna try and keep things relatively focused around like the last couple of decades at most And currently criticism is not really seen in the best light as I alluded to earlier And I think that's not what did you just say that it's not seen in the best light. So he's that would concept And and doesn't this get confusing in terms of like this is just my perspective You just made a claim about everyone's perspective, didn't you? It's not seen in the best light It's like That it's not seen in the best light. That's that's right. I remember it's just as uh, the way I see it Is that everyone sees something bad in the way that criticism is but that's just the way I see it Yeah, I wouldn't want you to kick that personally The steel man is like, I guess he's associating The term criticism with like the legion of youtube people who are making very similar videos that maybe are Somewhat surface level on the subject With that is that we're dealing with thousands of creators at this point that I'd be like which ones And it couldn't possibly be all of them, right? We got fucking voices everywhere for everything now If anything, you know It's kind of a golden age of criticism question mark. I don't know The other day I uh, I saw a video by someone. I don't know. I clicked on it. Uh, It was named titled like, uh Guardians of the galaxy volume three is like total garbage or something and I read like Okay, okay, it's honestly I was like I really disliked that video but not because it was negative But because how out of bs it was, you know, and everyone picked up on it, right? It's it's made for algorithm It's made to be dramatic It's made to be over exaggerated and it's made for that and I think this guy is criticizing those exact people But the problem is not with negativity It's about how stupidly exaggerated it is Technically cinema wins and sins openly admit that that is their goal that they're gonna be making videos that either celebrate or rip down a film Just for the sake of that not for the sake of like, I don't know representing it as best as they can Or for as he put it from that quote judging well They're just trying to because like uh, this is this is more of a fundamental thing that kind of sucks is the uh The vast majority of audiences when watching reviews aren't necessarily looking for a brand new change of Point of view on a film. They're more still looking for affirmation, which happens with a lot of content You know, it's not just criticism. It's just everything You want to hear your own perspective said back to you and even you know, maybe even better support than you had it previously But that doesn't mean that people aren't out there to also hear things that are new change their mind stuff like that Um, so yeah, I guess I think I'm with you with the whole like the problem is not negative or positive It's insensitivity People often people often hear that people You say that some people are often looking for confirmation bias out of videos like that and people often take that to mean that If they hear something that doesn't line up with their opinions, they'll click away Which I don't think is very true. I think people are pretty willing to stick around and hear someone out So we certainly are lately objectionable straight off the bat Yeah, we hear objectionable things immediately and we continue right to the end Well, it feels like an accuracy Yeah, if you say something and I think is really dumb or wrong or whatever and I don't like Because it's inaccurate. Well, it's because it's inaccurate. It's not because you know, I didn't like it Yeah, you you don't want people saying like, you know, I hated Finch because Tom Hanks was not Finch. You'd be like, well, no, but he was Tom Hanks wasn't Finch Not my Finch. Not my Finch. Some people out there will hear that and be like, what is he talking about Tom Hanks? He's Finch. It's like it's a real film. Google it. Tom Hanks is Finch and you can't stop him You can't take that away from him In the best light as I alluded to earlier And I think that's reflected by its first definition on google powered by oxford languages Which is the expression of disapproval of someone or something based on perceived faults or mistakes Yeah, I think this is one sense of the word. Mm-hmm. So it's commonly used Sort of broadly what's being implied when most people say the word criticism. I think this is what they mean It's like it has this inherently negative intent I mean people usually if you're looking for the neutral vision a lot of people say analysis That's what The like when you use that word you're like, oh, so it's going to be a breakdown. It could be negative positive or both When you say criticism most people assume negative And this depends on the linguistic context more than anything else Like who you're talking to the setting you're talking in what specifically you're saying determines how the specific word Like which of the two senses it's taken in I don't think people just default to thinking they hear the term criticism And they default to it being like a scathing critique of something on a on every level and seeing like it's terrible or whatever That depends on the context of what's being said and when It could be said that we've gotten to a point where it's just assumed that it will be negative I don't think that's too much of a stretch or anything. It's just that uh As far as i'm aware the core definition of the word means to just open up for positive and negative, right? It's what freeman was mentioning earlier that most people say constructive criticism as if to imply that Without constructive it will be negative Which um, yeah, yeah, maybe that's not the way that it should be perceived Maybe it should just be perceived as like a neutral term for a process And I'm sure you can find a lot of examples of me using the word in that way across videos on this channel Again, I am a hypocrite. I like some lars Trier and harmony kareem. It's a perfectly valid sense. It's okay. Yeah If um one of the meanings of it if there were 10 times for me to be able to use it And two of them would be referring to positive and eight negative I wouldn't make me hypocritical on the word when I think it should be neutral in terms of positive negative I just feel like it's all right words. Don't necessarily just mean one thing in every context Yeah, well, yeah, this is the thing this and they change Quite quickly depending on culture because we're all a bit with that language stuff Word in that way across videos on this channel again. That's someone just pointed out. Yeah constructive criticism can be negative as well That is true But the idea is supposed to be that it doesn't just you know rip you down I guess I am a hypocrite I like some lars von Trier and harmony kareem films and I still call out american horror story for being tasteless and exploitative We can do this all day if you want. However, I think that the second definition of criticism listed on Is more reflective of what criticism means to me that being the analysis and judgment of the merits and fault I'm sorry. I'm gonna be so annoying about this. It doesn't mean one or the other to you It means both of these things depending on when and how it is said that is true You don't just pick what like words aren't you don't pick your talent tree in the word You don't just pick one and you know, the other one's gone forever Yeah, that's why google shows multiple definitions for different contexts And they're often um Ordered by how often they'll be used to mean the thing, right? That's usually how it goes How long without you they specifically have archaic definitions tagged as archaic definitions I'm not sure how this is helping, but we'll get there. I think Alts of a literary or artistic work I've never personally subscribed to the idea that it is a critic's job to Tower themselves above a piece of art and scour it for every flaw like they're the f***ing eye of sauron or something Who is this who said who is who are you talking about? I don't know Sometimes you just want to wipe out, you know an extreme just in case just in case it's like I don't think criticism should be a dinosaur eating someone Okay But like it's allowed to be right someone could be the eye of sauron looking down on the media, yeah You think to yourself at first your first reaction is like I didn't say or think anything like that And then you're like wait, but what is wrong with thinking that what is wrong with Is there anything wrong because the implication is that it's wrong I think he's confusing us with that food critic guy from that rat movie But the thing is I like that people like that exist. That's fine, you know That prerogative dude It's um, well, it is what we were talking about earlier as long as they're sincere as long as they they're accurate Those are the main thing if he's only ever negative. That's still fine or at least it can be fine pens Let's go imagine it. He only ate from really bad restaurants. You just got really unlucky, you know He's trying to tell you the truth feel like oh, he's so negative And I've also never really liked the idea of a critic groveling to a piece of art either like waning guards You start this video being like oh, this is just my opinion guys That's that's basically what that is like I can do this too. They want yeah, I was going to say this is actually okay, too You find a piece of media that you genuinely just adore on every level And you have the highest respect for the craft. What's wrong with going and like giving it this sort of positive attention Need to be repetitive, but As long as they're sincere As long as they believe in this stuff as long as they really really feel that and they just They're not doing it just because they're like if I do this a lot of people click it and give me views Which is hard to know Um, you can kind of grasp it sometimes when they just feel fake or whatever, but Yeah, go out there and praise the fuck out of things you love. I don't care To me criticism encompasses everything much like the yin yang or the yin yang The sheer frustration Uh, why man? It just kept talking listen the reviews don't have to encompass everything That was just in case you thought that they did You know like the things you like the things you dislike the things you like about the things you dislike and vice versa That's an interesting interpretation of that Where it is okay engage with it on its own level. What does that ever mean really? I know people say all the time on its own level. That's one of them intuitive statements engage with our on its on its merits On its own level. Oh, is that what people mean when they say? Oh, it's like it's meant for kids or something Don't criticize it. It's been Engaged with it on its own level I really feel like if everyone who ever said it was to detail what they mean that we'd have a bunch of different answers Yeah, that's a lot of things that a lot of people a lot of video essayists say When you do a video like this feels like you should have less of those and more of the details, right? Piece of art where it is at you engage with it on its own level You create your own interpretation and then you express your perspective as best as you can That's it That's quite a lot that there's quite a lot in that I mean I have many questions, but it's fine. We'll just be like, all right That is criticism. It feels like Whichever way you slice it positive or negative animal crossing music. What's what's this from? It's got that vibe It does have that vibe Does anybody in chat know what this is from? I'm just curious I do not know Criticism is really about Validating art. It's about a critic saying I see what an artist is doing and I am taking it Seriously the art form is important to me. So what the artist does with it is equally important to me But let's be honest. All right. That was a lot there I don't know what to do with it. You know like validating the art and like that's something they find offensive to the craft Then what well, you know like Meet meet the art where it is focus on what the artist was trying to do But all this I'm just like or you could just fucking You could just you could just rant about whatever's coming to your mind Because that's kind of the point of art, right is to make you have a reaction Yeah Because I could totally see him making that video where he's like you need to be more You know you you need more you and more your heart in there. You need to just express yourself Don't worry about how the art was made or who made it and how What if in their heart though, you know, what if that's all they've got? Oh, you know well I'll subscribe. How does being negative takes away from that from seriousness and taking it seriously and You know knowing what artists is doing. Maybe he doesn't maybe he doesn't believe that maybe uh Maybe he believes that the negativity is also baked into that as well as positivity That is not how most of us see criticism Especially not on youtube whether it be the commenters or the creators We just seem to flock to negativity and cynicism here on youtube, you know, obviously there are some Here on youtube. Yeah here on youtube not just like it I mean, it just feels like he's describing humanity. Yeah, like I'm pretty sure that this is just like true, right? Humans are more receptive to negative information because it's often beneficial to be more receptive to negative information Like if you're receptive to negative information, you will counter potential threats to you, which is just a good That's just a good strategy, right? Like dealing with problems seeking out problems and solving them is better than just being like nice and chill Like and always looking for More positive information. I could be wrong on that but well and and to be fair You're not saying that it's definitive that to focus on a negative is to uh be beneficial or whatever It's just that that's probably more complicated than that or possibly how it would have developed Well, it's just why why is there more bad news than good news, you know A lot of the time why is the stuff that people pay most attention to and headline something that's bad Well, yeah, why isn't a headline all of the pipes are currently working? Yeah, yeah exactly Otherwise like something that's going wrong or something that's contentious that people disagree with Uh like, you know incendiary or yeah, just stressful concerning That's the 10 that that's the kind of information that often gets uh disseminating gets a lot of attention Exceptions people do like positive commentary everyone I fucking hate this as if as if this positive commentary on movies throughout youtube, it's everywhere Like yeah, I don't even know where to begin like yeah But these channels they're mainly positive or even exclusively positive. It's like, okay Is that bad then like by your own metric my biggest personal pet peeve is when Again when people throw around the word like masterpiece and perfect and like a lot of people might you know Disagree with this or find this offensive, but when I say the last of us, okay I haven't seen the show at that point But it was like one or three episodes in and there were a bunch of like video essays and criticism or not criticism video essays Popping up in my feet saying that it was perfect. It was the best like in in its genre and stuff like that This show was three episodes in how can you make such ambitious statements based on three episodes? Like it does not matter if those three episodes are perfect. You're saying the show Is perfect and it's the best. How can you make that judgment based on like the third of Its first season and that's so blowing out of proportion in my opinion I mean in fairness people also did that with velma after the first two episodes were out Well, that it's the worst show in the history of shows. You're like, how could you know you've already seen two episodes? Yeah, it gets really better from here guys What's kind of funny about that to me is that the velma one feels more reasonable because it's harder to maintain quality than it is To maintain disaster, right? It's just like, yeah Just kind of how it works The first two episodes catastrophically and that is a sign for the rest of it Wait, did you say you think something? Oh, I just uh, I'd yeah, I mean air in that case I think velma was actually So catastrophical and so bad. I think it was not, you know, that hard to make that judgment But the last of us could have turned turned out. Anyway, you know, it was good from the get-go You know, we can argue how good it was, you know, whether it was perfect or whatnot, but You know, well, we were changed it could have gone Either way, we weren't willing to say anything about the show as a whole really until the last credits of the last episode played Like, all right. Now we can talk about the season as a whole Uh, with with this though, like he's already set out at least it seems to me that like too much focus on negativity It's like though there are people who engage with channels who uh, you know, much more positive and like it's only You know, he's got rip these channels It's seen as a a negative that they're not producing content as much or not at all anymore I'm just saying you're like, well, wouldn't this just be the problem in reverse if they were exclusively positive? Or are we okay with exclusively positive? I am assuming we are that seems to be the position A lot of these people kind of take is on a map that position It's like it shouldn't just be negative and it's like shouldn't just be positive either, right? And then they'd be like, well, no, that's okay. I'm toxic positivity, you know I fucking hate being overly positive for no good reason at all like Just exhausting. Yeah Get out of here It still exists. It's not gone anywhere. No, it's that We would be seen as probably an exclusively negative podcast or something and say god We got so many like explicitly hyper positive episodes breaking things down But I'm sure many people don't even know or who you know, don't watch the show And that goes the same for so many different channels There'll be channels that I imagine drinkers seem probably as exclusively negative when he's not Makes loads of positive coverage, but oh, well cynicism here It's kind of like Highlighting the negativity bias not only explains why the content's created Maybe with a bias to negativity, but it also seems why it's perceived that way The bias would work that side of it too, right? Like if a creator puts out, you know, five positive and two negative But no, sorry five negative and two positive a person might come away with saying like god, you're always just always negative Like no, there was positive stuff there. You just didn't really remember it Yeah, people are very quick to typecast both content and the opinions of people just out and about yeah Here on youtube, you know, obviously there are some notable exceptions People do like positive commentary every once in a while and of course there are other correlations like just a general popularity of what's being reviewed You know if your favorite creator makes it so hard for me to take this seriously when it's been known Forever that the sort of shill side of youtube, right? Like the the newest marvel film coming out everyone raves about it Says the most amazing thing ever that's that's a very profitable side of youtube It's a very engaged with side of youtube. It's not just marvel. Of course. It's everything Like the new you know fastx just came out There's going to be plenty of videos that say that it's fucking amazing and it's just like a adrenaline fueled fucking wonderful adventure that everyone should check out It's almost like um on the on the right side right of like negativity bias There's like hype culture of getting really really fucking excited, you know for like the new thing that's coming out There's definitely big memes. Like uh, what was it? Where atman came out. It was like atman is the best mc movie since was it Wakanda forever? Yeah, the last one Okay I can't wait for the flash Yeah, which will what's that's going to be? Oh, it's going to be amazing And you will get every opinion on that you'll have people saying it's the worst movie ever people saying it's the best movie ever We've already got people saying it's uh What kind of amazing which how the hell does that motherfucker? Still have a job. I don't know I don't know it baffles the mind First there are other correlations like just the general popularity of what's being reviewed You know if your favorite creator makes a review of a star wars movie or a marvel movie You can problem Why did you say favorite creator and then put up chris duckman? If chris duckman is your favorite creator You are a very dull and boring person and I don't wish to associate with you. Wow rags That's cruel just because chris duckman is cruel and boring. You know boring and what was the other thing? No, I wouldn't be cruel cruel is like an emotion or some sort of uh, it's a little flavor in life He's just very there Very neutral videos that exist He's made some of the videos is one of the movie reviewers of all time one of well. Yeah I do not not like him. I don't know I don't like him Well, I'll say I don't like his work. I I'm fine with him. Yeah. Yeah We guarantee that's gonna get more views than some random indie film. No one's ever heard of but that's that's very That's just normal Yeah, I guess he's saying that though. Is he just saying like, yeah, that's how that's also like this is a caveat, right? I guess so but like what is this um It seems like it's like beyond I guess Yeah, is it meant to I think he's saying like, um You know, there's like exceptions, right if people would just be interested in popular stuff anyway regardless of whether it's positive or negative I think Yeah But I mean that's kind of like popular stuff is more popular, right? Like it's a little bit Well, that's what I mean is sorry was this was the this fruitful as I didn't know. We'll just keep going in general I'm I'm generalizing here. There is something that we just love about watching a creator Absolutely dunk on a film or tv show. It's You guys ever watch Someone who's very talented do the opposite like explain why something is really really really good And how enjoyable that can be. I just feel like there's um There's not as many people who are ready to do that or know how to do that. Well, it's just it's interesting, right? Because he had the example of uh Every frame of painting. Yeah, that was a really popular channel Like those those videos got a lot they get spread around and posted everywhere obviously, you know, like negativity is like a thing that people will uh It's a thing that gets around but like positivity also gets around too Like I mean I mean you see it like on twitter sometimes right when like a particular portion of a film or like a film in particular Like it just gets everybody excited and happy about it And then they'll start talking about all of the things that they liked about it Sharing art for it. Like there's definitely like a positive feedback cycle as well that exists It's just that um, it might be something that you you gotta You don't even need to look for it sometimes Well, because it's like it's just there it's super interesting You just said it that way because that's not even considered I doubt he considers like a huge community on any forum sharing their passion about um a movie or a tv show to be Positive criticism or anything. He probably doesn't even associate it at all. Even though that's huge and that's all part of it Which I guess is also odd though, even though he has like the definition that he prefers for criticism that are just like neutral Like I guess it's almost like why isn't it reflecting in like the kinds of things that he's able to find or that he pursues or that just make his way to him and then he Notices and pays attention to you know I made that kind of video about mega mind and I was like this video is not going to do well Like nobody's going to watch it. Nobody will care. Well, like people loved it people did watch it and I mean I talked about it very very positively and people people watched it and It It gets views positivity. I mean exists on this platform and there are quite a lot of positive People and content creators But people you know guys like this don't want to admit that We have people when mentioning when arcane came out I could not look at my youtube feed for like a day without seeing three or four video essays from channels I've never heard of and never seen again Just talking about why something to do with arcane is really good. Yeah Almost exclusively positive coverage of arcane If anything all that does is really highlight that um, it maybe maybe the broader umbrella for what people are looking for is something that's like Exciting whether that be like hyper positive or hyper negative something that's like as opposed to just you know This film was pretty mediocre, you know five out of ten and it's like all right on to the next Discussion about a film that's like really mediocre and lame and not interesting Right, it's like maybe maybe there's a broader umbrella. There's that and the reaffirmation thing Um arcane was loved by people so people are seeking out videos that celebrate it Um, yeah, maybe you find out new reasons to like it, you know Quantamania comes down everyone's like what the hell was that they want to watch videos tear get apart Yeah, I personally enjoyed many reviews. Sorry go ahead Yeah In terms of arcane I had so many like requests in the comments like everyone was begging for me to make a video about it But the reason I didn't make it is because I I just felt like I could not say anything more because there was so much positive coverage I I felt like I didn't have anything to add to the conversation There were so many things being said and all of them were positive So I'm glad for that Yeah, like I I like looking at reviews for uh Pussin boots too. It's a super great movie and I enjoy watching positive coverage on that movie So many positive things about that film reached me long before I ever saw it. Just yeah, same feedback glutes Yeah, I had friends telling me to see it immediately. There's no what where's the video movie, huh? Where's the video where someone says film criticism should not be positive and they talk about how it's insane How someone like puts in boots to Despite being a movie that yeah, it's good But like everyone's calling it fucking masterpiece and and going nuts and and then he goes to arcane Then he goes to some other thing that's praised to hell and back and it's and you know eventually concludes like we need more negative Viewpoints we need more balance. We need more understanding of the art form We need to meet the art where it is instead of just celebrating it exclusively just for the hell You know, it's like nobody's ever gonna make that video nobody And maybe you should examine that and why why is it that we uh We consider it exclusively positive stuff to just be a given a pass and work that way Twofold, you know, we either want to see a critic just absolutely tear of film to shreds Or we want to be in the bloodbath of a comment section Just going at the critic for daring to criticize something that we personally love. It's like I don't really know. It's just like this primal urge to just go off. There are a lot of factors So nothing new people like to talk about things Nothing new Just I can't get over the fact that this is like why is this about the recent years of youtube? Just this is just all time A person is enthused one way or the other about something or another they feel the need to tell someone I almost feel like you need a meme of just two Very early on humans one of them just eats a berry and says man. Do I love these berries and the other one just looks at him of frowns Those ones suck taste and berry He's was better There's a play as to how we got into this storm But before we talk about any of that there is a very important series of videos that Absolutely need to be brought up Oh This is one of the most annoying talking points on the internet. Oh I think it ruined it Yeah, well, we'll see what he has to say about it The plinket reviews will always be brought up in any conversation about online criticism and that's for good reason You know it obviously there are other pioneers like lindsay ellis or other people Not like No, uh, no, I'm sorry not not not the same as plinket. YMS should be mentioned before lindsay ellis Channel awesome including even the nostalgia critic No, you got that backwards Nostalgia critic and maybe This is so pandery It's almost like a A reformatic of history like yeah nostalgia critic was hyper influential not lindsay ellis She came she copied him man. Yeah. She used to work for him. She was the nostalgic chick She she created videos in the same vein. She's talked about how she didn't even like having to do it I'm pretty sure anyway This this is silly Nobody likes to acknowledge it But yeah, uh dug had a huge influence on how people reviewed media that is true same with plinket The same with a lot of the early creators lindsay ellis, um, I would say her like More so like she became much more popular way later Again there are other adjacent channels like cinemasins that we could talk about that are playing a hand in how we see criticism today nitpicking is not criticism Except it literally is it is that's exactly literally is The way you have to trans is something that isn't criticism to translate this to I assume someone like him. It's just you'd start real small and be like Hey, man, it's the one I didn't fucking tf a be like the lights are flickering when they probably should be Let's just say a light's fucking faulty on set and you'd be like, um, that'd be a nitpick, right? And he's like, yeah And you'd be like and you mean a thing that shouldn't be mentioned because it doesn't mean anything, right? He probably like, uh, yeah, sure Be like, why can't I mention it? Why can't it be indicative of a grander problem? What if the movie is filled with sets that have broken things in it or like, you know Outfits that are all fucked up or inaccuracies and it's just indicative of how much they didn't care when making it And you have quotes from the actual creators behind the scenes saying yeah, man All the fucking bulbs weren't working and we just didn't give a shit Ultimately, we just want to get the lights done and get out of here And if he was just like, well, you still Nip I hate the whole nitpicking conversation. It's uh, if you mean stuff being said that doesn't mean shit Just say that nitpicking should be saved for just small criticisms that are valid I think the problem is that nitpicking is such it's like a it's it's just It's a doomed word really like it's uh, it's so laden with a baggage Well, it's um, the only problem with like because I get I'm on board with the idea if we kind of just don't use it But every time they use it, it's like well, what do you mean? And it's like cinemasins exclusively nitpicking. It's like, well, no, cinemasins does bring up some valid stuff a lot Is that they like they have inaccurate like they're just inaccurate a lot of the time And then often that's what the problem is like but it means it's comedy or something like they have a lot of weird It's like some of them are apparently deliberately false Some of them are meant to be jokes But like it's hard to tell and so it's hard to understand like what you're meant to be pulling from those videos It's not that they're nitpicking when you know like If you spot like a boom mic in The room or something like that and then he's like that's nitpicking. It's like, okay Well, what am I not allowed to point that out? That's pretty funny It's a frustrating habit of beating around the bush in terms of the critical sphere where people are desperate for anything Other than just talking about the actual points because you can talk about proportionality if you want Say, you know, this point doesn't matter that much. It's not that damaging overall Like I don't know. There's a boom mic in this shot, but like that's not good I don't think anyone would say that's good, but it's not exactly a film destroying issue You can say that really easily but for some reason there's this compulsion to go No, that's a nitpick. Therefore it's invalid. I have no fucking idea why I think it is because like using nitpick as a as a criticism of somebody else Is a good way to kind of like broadly invalidate whatever they're doing, you know, you're just nitpicking doesn't it get picking right? Doesn't it get incredibly funny though? That was a nitpick. It's your nitpicking If over let's say half an hour someone makes a hundred points And 80 of them are substantive and 20 of them are nitpicks and then a person watches that and says you're just nitpicking What have they done to that work? They've just nitpicked it Oh the cycle it continues And then you start to realize wait a minute. Was it just humans all along? It's like, yeah, that's what we do That's just our thing About that are playing a hand in how we see critical. Yeah, I Uh, there's no way that we would ever disagree with the idea that cinema sins has had a hand in, you know Influencing other creators and possibly even moviemaking, but I've always hated the the doom version of it Which is like cinema sins destroyed the film industry And just shut up shut up what you find directors and writers promoting if ever videos They usually promote the video essay types the 20 minute ones to talk about a particular subject Never see a director saying like cinema sins made an incredible video on my film and I will forever be you know Like I will do better The only what I could think of is the guy who made Kong skull island. He said he fucking hated cinema sins, didn't he? Yeah, I'm pretty sure he shed on him. I remember um, Anthony Hawkins shared Video essay, but it was about his acting in westwild. It wasn't like It was positive. It was exclusive positive. I'm trying to think of every time I've ever seen Mike Flanagan shared video essays that are exclusively positive about, you know, haunting of hill house and black manor On youtube like I just I never see a director saying like Oh that cinema sins. He's he's got his finger on the pulse of film He knows what's going on Cinema sins mastered the algorithm and people are pissed about it Yeah, um, yeah It appeals to a common denominator with people enjoy like I've said this before I think it was one of uh, it's a stream We did on jay's channel, but I never really liked cinema sins and it was mainly because I was like, but that's not right That's not right and someone would have said like, you know, you're not uh, you're not consuming it the right way This is supposed to just be for fun He's just trying to find things to comment on things to poke at and just to have some fun And I'm pretty sure the creator would even say that but that for me that wasn't enough I was just like, yeah, but it's the jokes aren't funny to me because they're inaccurate So it doesn't work. I'm not I'm not having fun. And then obviously the criticism doesn't work at that point either um There's plenty of people who loved it for that It should be like I'm watching the movie again in a quick format and he's pointing out some stuff It's kind of like on trailers. They just make jokes I'd say pitch meeting is now probably the greatest version of that format of running through a thing again and pointing out the main uh, I guess I saw all points of praise does pitch me and do praise What does he only do criticism? Well negative I don't actually know um Someone in chat will though, but uh, because I only have a know it in a context of negative Criticism today nitpicking is not criticism and even cinema sense would not argue with me on that but I don't care. Let's just not kid ourselves at all. Let's not even pretend to find it Like the plinket reviews are not the template that we are all working with and I'm just going to go ahead and say it I love the plinket reviews. Do I think that some aspects of them have aged poorly? Yes, do I think that they sometimes function? What was the title of this part? What was it? What's the title of this plinket ruined everything? So it's not going to be plinket spot, right? Plinkets the good one, but like it's all the pale That's what they always say They say the plinket was funny insightful blah blah blah and everyone copied him and forgot the insightful and funny parts Right They always say it's a cope by the way There are plenty of people directly influenced by plinket who are funny as fuck today. If not funnier. I'm sorry. It's just true Even if it was true, that's just a natural consequence of more people being able to do the thing It's um, it's kind of weird because uh, depending on what circles the internet you go to Plinket is seen as like a fucking idiot monster who ruined everything and like prequel fans are not fans of uh, Use do I think that some aspects of them have aged poorly? Yes, do I think that they sometimes function better as comedy than criticism? Also, yes, but do I also think that they are some of the best videos on youtube and that they're often Hilarious and insightful and that we as a platform. Oh a ton to these videos 100% but they ruined everything But I think that the plinket reviews have given us a very limited and warped perspective on what criticism can be Is it what what can it be? But like if anyone watching some plinket review and goes, ah, this is criticism. This is what it is There are no other ways to do the thing. I found it in the test. You've distilled down. This is pure criticism The I think he just wanted to find a nice way of saying he ruined everything. He's trying to keep to the The the chapter I just wish I was never born Don't necessarily think is the fault of mike staclasa or anyone at red letter media I consider it more of an unintended consequence just like how when mike said in the star trek 2009 plinket review that JJ abrams would be really good at directing star wars movies I don't think he thought for a second that would ever manifest itself into reality Or that it would come in the form of something like the rise of skywalker Just he said all of this so Yeah, he did say that he couldn't believe years ago. He said that thing You know, he obviously since regrets it and does not rate JJ abrams as a director much anymore Nor does anyone else What's happened It's like I don't think mike grew up watching star trek and thought One day captain Kirk will roast me on twitter My point being that I don't think that the plinket reviews were some sort of diabolical scheme to He always bats down these insane people Like yeah, that guy's wrong Who the fuck was that guy? That's like, oh, isn't that a joke in community for you. We've talked about it before but Jeff's like political thing where he's He points out people in the audience names them and talks about their story But everyone he points to is always just like Well, it's just he's pointing vaguely at the crowd, but nobody knows who he's talking about. Yeah, he's not talking about anybody He's making them up Option of online criticism No, really the plinket reviews first and foremost function as catharsis. What kind of I guess that's all reviews That's just yeah people are looking for someone to share their opinion or someone's looking to share their opinion and get it off their chest And then you go even more fundamental We like it when we meet someone else and they go, hey, I think thing is thing and you go. Oh, I think thing is thing Yeah, this is the good chemical We should we should form a tribe Inspired you to start doing these reviews. Well, the the very first review is generations Yeah, I I was a huge next generation fan as a kid, you know growing up and whatnot And when I saw that look at how young Mike is in full life full of life You know, it's it's so weird to look at him when he's before the dark times and Before the alcohol and the best of the words started to kick in Movie in the theaters. I just I hated it. Yeah, so I had a lot of free time and I just said, you know I'm gonna make a video Detailing all the points about why I don't like this movie or why I thought it didn't work Yeah, and and so I made that and I just made it for the intention of just for myself Just just to do it. Yeah, and so I put it on youtube and it started to get Yeah, it started to get momentum and people liked it. I was like, okay But when the copycats naturally emerged they didn't name them Name them you fool do it. I'm curious if any bigger names you would consider a copycat Really take away his genuineness or his authenticity Something Mike himself mentioned in plinkets the star was awakens review. Well, yeah, but that was very controversial It didn't go down super well with a lot of people because the implication is yms is in here And it seems like what they took away was that catharsis is not simply Yeah, see And it's like yms is not a fucking plinket clone at least he's not like his best stuff If you look at his lying king review, like that's not like plinky at all. That's like a whole other thing So the implication that um, he's downstream of of it is just like And I'm happy by the way to concede I'd be happy to concede the influence like if yms I'm sure yms thinks plinket has made great videos and was influenced by it But like let's not let's not do it this way is everyone influenced by rogery But is that where everyone comes from for criticism? Is that the core or did he get influenced by someone too? And it and then everyone can get drawn back to like we said aug judging that berry And the thing is I mean, I don't like the fact that we're criticizing people for content creators For you know mimicking like not mimicking but like being influenced by others because I mean I'm not that you know, I'm pretty new to youtube and I mean, it's it's much easier and it's the only way you can do this thing from the beginning, right? You just start, you know doing what you know and what you've seen other people do and you Slowly start to you know find yourself with this you start start to find your voice and the way you speak and the way you edit And it's only natural that you are being influenced by what you've seen even if you don't intentionally do it I've noticed that with my older videos Like when I look back in my first video, I can't even recognize myself. I can't recognize the way. I'm speaking my voice Like it's so obvious that I'm being influenced by other creators that I've been watching years before Interesting you say that because as a couple people have pointed out there is if you go back to the earliest yms videos Uh, they're like plinkets or at least he's his goal is to try and um create similar Uh format sort of stuff and um, I believe Uh, they've been influences like that with a lot of different people. We've had on Uh, on even on this podcast that they'll start out Um, primarily influenced by one person and then what happens like it did like that lasted what like a year at most with yms For a decade. He's had such a unique, uh, Is his his format at this point like what he does Plinkets is his and you know and so on I've I've said before like uh, Tall biscuit is one of my bigger influences and you'd be like how and it's like well, that's a great point It's at this point my combinations of different influences have changed into its own video. That's just what happens Um, it's advice given in pretty much every creative field That's definitely how I started out as well influenced by other people like my my early videos were Very very similar to I hate everything's stuff And then that's how it was for a while But then you develop your own voice and you kind of make your own style and kind of branch off from that Well, at least most people do well and you eventually realize you're just describing. Oh, that's just how it always works That's always how it works And yeah, what's kind of gross here is that we formatted this to say all of these people Copied plinket but don't have the sincerity or the the um sort of comedic value. It's like, oh wow Okay That seems a little bit harsh Urge they didn't really take away his genuineness or his authenticity And it seems like what they took away was that catharsis is not simply a function of criticism But that it is criticism in its entirety the plinket. It can be if you want to make your video that way go ahead If you want to make your video exclusively like i'm fucking pissed at this thing and i'm just going to shout at it It doesn't even matter like uh, if like if someone says at the end of your 10 minute rant about how tlj is terrible That you weren't exactly very balanced Be like okay. Wow. You got me. I wasn't I wasn't very balanced because I felt a particular way Um, yeah, and I just don't like the idea like this feels gatekeeper-y as hell suddenly Mm-hmm reviews unintentionally lessened the scope of reviewing films into i don't understand Whose fault is this if someone makes a rant and someone else does it and someone else does it And then a guy watches those three and then says wow, so this is criticism Isn't it just that guy's fault for being like an idiot Why would you assume that if you've watched several negative videos in a row that that's what criticism is supposed to be I don't understand how we ever break out from any How do we break out from any format? How does anything develop if everyone just only ever sticks with what is currently the thing? Well, I'd love to ask in him like what are your boundaries doing new things It's so funny that he credited Lindsay Alice is one of the most influential and like major contributors when she like She was a branch of nostalgia critic Yeah, that's just factually wrong. I mean she started her like When she picked up as a single youtuber. It was much much later. Yeah Yeah, she became her own she because this is the thing I've seen plenty of videos from her that I thought were very good Uh, I think her hobbit videos are very good, but You know like the idea that She's she's a some kind of trailblazer that wasn't you know a direct literal copycat This is like, I don't know man feels like we're picking and choosing who we like and don't like You know because I don't like cinema sins. None of us We've ever covered him thought that the videos are really good But I don't like the idea of locking out the idea that there's nothing sincere or insightful about his videos ever Yeah, his videos are bad But I would never discount the idea of like the good version of his videos That are out there that he just doesn't do Um, I would never discount those or I wouldn't want to discourage people from doing those I mean that's film criticism It's really frustrating to me because it's like he's legitimately just trying to invalidate people's feelings Well, does it not come across that he has a selection of approved critics a selection of disproved ones And he's like, you know, the problem is those ones the disapproved ones. They're ruining everything You're like, oh It's an interesting video. Tell me about it. Happy to shit on cinema sins. Everyone is no one considers that controversial That's safe. It's safe to do that now. It's okay You know this template of just shitting on a film for the entertainment of the audience. What's wrong with that? Yeah, because it's funny, which is fun It's just fun, man. Please tell me what's wrong with it It's gonna form a comedy since time immemorial It's his most viewed videos or maybe take a look at jeremy johns who Admittedly only exists on this platform as he does today because one day he decided to massively rip into transformers 2 on camera It's like they took the plot of transformers 1 or it beat it to shit So transformers had a first date with mike tyson That's gonna be horrible Or maybe we could look at chris stuckman one of my we have to Oh, no What's he about to say A ton of his most viewed videos are Hilariousity reviews where he just tears apart and laughs at the failures of filmmakers Why do you think he bowed out of the negativity? Because he's becoming a filmmaker and he doesn't want people to do what he did to other filmmakers. That's why Because he doesn't want to talk bad about other people in the industry Which is another good point too. And that's actually not exactly unwise To get away from being like Again, I hate this director and then they're like Yeah, that guy has an agent that is working with this and they connected to that producing this this and they just don't like you at This point because of that. I love the idea that He's framing this is like you see chris is gonna stop criticism because it's bad for film or something It's like shut up. He's trying to get into the industry. Of course. He's gonna stop Randomly ranting about movies. That's not gonna help you get into hollywood, is it? Uh It's um this video turned slowly into why are people having fun? Stop why videos that we covered do that where they start off like oh, it's just my opinion I just thought that love and happiness and hugs and kisses and then you start getting into the video And it's like this is why hitler was correct and we're like well now chris is gonna Why do people tell stories about you know some annoying shit that happened to them at work or whatever? Why are they being so negative? I don't get it chris is gonna make his video the Something oaks elby oaks. I think it's supposed to be a horror movie when he finally makes it They're gonna be youtube reviews and he is not gonna fucking like it Gonna be like That's that's the rub that's how it works goes all the way around If it's anything like that fucking notes from melanie movie, it's hey hilarious that had good Nothing it had fo it was in focus. It was in focus. There you go. I could hear the actors City reviews where he just tears apart and laughs at the failures of filmmakers good for him I wish you'd go back to doing that a bit more seems like look at that thumbnail on the top right there. That is an emotion He's feeling something usually you get the top left one where it's like. Oh that that's That's something he's feeling something That's not even a face that you put on if you're trying to display no emotion. That's just actually not having an emotion It looks very default Uh, but I had no emotion or a thousand yards stare and I'm not sure which We we I think we had a look at some of his thumbnails before and some of the expressions he makes are hilarious You have no idea what he's feeling. He's just like It's that sound but in thumbnail form It's why do you think he bowed out of the negativity rat race entirely or you can look at other like I said because he's making his own films But also that doesn't that doesn't even seem to follow right? Why would he why do you think he bowed out? Like look at how popular his negative videos were. Why do you think he bowed out of making negative videos? Like I think you know what I mean? He wants us to connect the chris realized the negativity Cells and thus he's adding to the negative atmosphere and environments. We needed to stop No, that no it is exactly what's been said It's because it's more beneficial if he wants to break into like the film industry to not be Critical of other people's work Yeah combined with the fact that he's not looking forward to people saying your movie was shit And here's my hilariousity review of your movie People will do it There's a filmmakers Why do you think he bowed out of the negativity rat race entirely? Or you can look at other descendant channels like your movie sucks or I hate everything and again Love these guys. I'm not throwing any shade. They're just through shade You're allowed to throw shade I love the The spider-listeners of like you suck. That is just my opinion. I'm not saying you suck I'm saying that it is just a perspective. It's like what? No offense, but go fuck your No offense, but delete channel maybe The negativity rat race entirely or you can look at other descendant channels like your movie sucks or I hate everything and again Love these guys. I'm not throwing any shade their way at all But even if it's not reflective of every piece of criticism they've ever given Yeah, so Doesn't this just fuck your entire point up? So it's it's not reflected like basically the point being they make positive and negative but negative is bad Like I feel like this is so awkward to to understand that he even realizes it Don't human humans I'm kind of just lost as to what he's even going after at this point guys getting very rambly I'm not throwing any shade their way at all But even if it's not reflective of every piece of criticism they've ever given The names alone kind of tell you where their headspace was at. Oh my god. Now you're nitpicking What is this like wow That I'm not throwing shade, but their very identity is reflective of like their uh of an attitude that I don't like Yeah, that's good So can't be tongue-in-cheek. It can't be fun. It has to be indicative of this wider cultural issue that we need to stamp out Oh fun, please My profile picture or whatever it is called like it's baby yota, right? And it's not because my headspace was it was at some point where I was like worshiping mandalorian or baby yota It was a complete accident When it became a meme I just like made it a picture, you know and uh Yeah, and then I never changed it. So it's stuck But sometimes those kinds of accidents happen, you know, they don't have to mean anything, you know And now, you know, I don't know what to change it to so it's it's still here So I think that can also be a factor. It does not have to mean so much, you know I think that's really put a lot of stock in exactly what they call their channel and how they present themselves on youtube necessarily Well, why am I supposed to tell if you said wait adam You have videos that are positive even though your channel is called your movie sucks and it's described as I'll tell you Why your movie sucks you'd be like, uh-huh You're like, but that doesn't make sense at all I don't understand. Does that's not what the name means Okay It's called dot org by the way I don't know why we're like this is so fucking strange I'm I'm just sat in the corner here profusely sweating No, he called these guys descendants. We're descendants of descendants. So we probably won't get mentioned Hope it won't be long enough when you join the platform, right? Like again, it's catharsis It's like when yms makes a video about the lion king 2019 As someone who has absolutely no nostalgia or investment in the lion king at all when i'm watching that video I am right there with him. I am saying Yeah tear this fucking film apart Fuck disney agreed I'm curious Nostalgia were also with him I'm curious if he's gonna mention the other half of this Uh, there's another half to that video. Does he gonna is he gonna talk about it? But like After i'm done watching the video. I kind of just sit there and think Is this really all there is he didn't mention it. So what else does yms do in that video? He doesn't just shit all over The original he does and he talks a lot about why it's so good Yeah, it's such a good video. What is also this like is this all there is what a really well made analysis of uh It's just it's just annoying to me like uh He's done the thing he's accusing everyone off He watched a video that had praise and criticism in it and he's come away with Oh, it's so just criss negative so negative Like the negativity is just all there is when it's literally not all there is no Have you considered that the negativity comes from the positivity of something that he loves that it's taping? It's like come on now People do this in the positive sense too. You see memes fly around all the time If like sitting down to watch a seven hour video on a game You've never played or whatever, you know and just being engaged the whole time Just because hearing people talk about things they care about positively or negatively is engaging and it's cathartic in some sense When he says like the voice acting is fucked up in the new one You'll then play a clip from the old one and explain why that's really good Then it's like, oh the the hit remember when he talks about like how they had to create new technology in order to Simulate the hoods in the the hood sequence in the original. It's just like that's a really cool piece of information Oh my god, that's really impressive and it's just like Why'd you have to be just so negative? It's like what do you mean? Why are you being so negative? That's all there is That's that's the that's the vibe. So let's see what he what else he says Like is this all criticism can be on the platform? I really hate that he used the lion king video as an example. It's one of the best videos for criticism. It is one of the Best videos. It's worse part two man. I gotta have part two It's so extensive using all the unlike its goal as a video is to yes tear down the 2019 disaster But to prop up the original to be like this fucker There's a reason why everyone loved it It's like, oh, is this all Also, there's one guy one video from one guy creators who could be right off to do something completely different The fuck of course, this isn't all criticism is criticism can take all sorts I really don't think it's fair to have to compare YMS's liking video to Chris Stockman's Stockman's anything It really it really is not fair to compare them. No, it's not Is well the idea that Chris stuck but did the correct thing and stopped doing criticism It's like what you want us to not have any more Lion King videos from YMS really Is that the better thing to do now? This what we're stuck with forever And again, I want to make this as clear as possible that I am not here to just point fingers at all these people and say You're doing it wrong What are you saying? Did he not just say they're doing it wrong? Well, that is the question. What were you saying for the last couple minutes? Maybe all there is which is, you know implicitly belittling what they're doing Yeah Well, the implication was that Chris Stockman made the correct decision by not doing it anymore. So I lost the plot of this video so long ago. I just take it word by word Sentence by sentence. I'm like, I don't I don't know what's going on This is the stand by anything You've been very negative right now Every single thing you say is a choice to mitigate and like run back a little bit the platform because These are all people whom I love in respect without red letter media without yms. There is no me and as I keep saying I don't even is that even a good argument like I'm gonna shit on them And but then I want to say no we're buddies and friends. I like them Don't they come across a strange argument though to be like I'm not shitting on them because without them there is no me Like we'll That's kind of irrelevant, right? Maybe you're part of the problem, you know Like if you subscribe to the claims that you're making There's plenty of negative things that can happen events and people in your life that can lead to you being you Does that make them positive now or neutral? I'm doing it too and I'm trying to understand why all the chance It's really not that complicated Yeah um, I feel like uh You just you just saw too many in a row that you thought Were really mean to things you liked maybe and it just seems to be maybe what will happen I don't know channels I mentioned and what they create are just cogs in this big Negativity machine which speaking of machines. We have to talk about Transformers the algorithm Here we go And negative that's right. We're going to talk about that nebulous thing called the algorithm that every video uploaded to this platform Is filtered through the thing that you've probably heard a ton of creators talk about already and and yet none of us are really sure Exactly how it works like at this point. I'm not even fully convinced that youtube knows exactly how it works But if there's one thing that I know for certain is that the algorithm loves Why do you think that might be? Does it even why do you think it might be a lot of positive stuff? It's probably the first is uh, is the first question worth it It just I like the idea that it's like, I hate that thing that was derived directly from human nature Well, that is the complicated discussion right of like whether or not Um, the way that a social media platform works enables behavior or if it's like more of like a feedback loop, you know Like kind of a self-fulfilling Probably yeah, it's like how can I recommend it sucks so bad like well I mean, I'm more broadly of like how does social media influence human behavior or and how does that human behavior influence What the platform feeds to you and then how does that then further influence behavior, right? Like what are the What are the effects of social media right on like the broad psychology of humanity? Has it changed like the human psychology or is social media a reflection of human psychology? You know, like it's it's that kind of question. It's probably both That just just makes sense to me They both feed into each other And it becomes a huge thing Well, that's what raises a question right the algorithm Uh promotes negativity. It's like Does the algorithm promote anything or does the algorithm just reflect people's interests? Uh, yeah, well, I gotta say how does any algorithm start? It's probably going to be the most simple version ever of 10 videos go out Video three and eight. I've been watched a lot. All right, put them in recommended That was probably the first algorithm Which which was watched a lot but that one in people's recommendations. They're more likely to watch through like that Yeah, there was of course the question of the objective of basically any social media company with ads as their principle business model is to Improve retention. Yeah, they want you there as long as possible. It's the reason why YouTube has skewed over the years towards longer stuff longer stuff means more ads means more retention Uh human beings seem to like doing what they're currently doing and the longer that you can keep them engaged And so it's like then there's a question of how The algorithm influences the kind of stuff that people will be incentivized to make based on what people You know want to watch the point being is really complicated I don't think you could talk about it meaningfully and however much time we have left in this video presuming that The rest of the video is about this topic Um, I feel like we're only going to get pretty simplistic claims Or incomplete claims as we go forward This isn't unique to youtube either I've used this clip of frances haugen the facebook whistleblower before but I think that the clip bears repeating here and one of the consequences of how facebook is picking out that content today Is it is optimizing for content that gets engagement or reaction? But its own research is showing That content that is hateful that is divisive that is polarizing It's easier to inspire people to anger than it is to other emotions you make videos talking positively about movies So hasn't he just stumbled across it not being film related at all? Well, that's that's the thing that's sort of been mentioned already right negativity bias in people It's not like it's some because he mentioned there are we mentioned that We'd mentioned it. I don't really even talk about it. He's been very focused specifically on youtube film criticism Which is such a like I mean, obviously it's a big sort of part of like youtube but like comparative to just all the things in the world that people watch Yeah, it's very it's niche Um, yeah, it's niche And that um, I love how I love how like, um, he manages to say like Well, uh, people click a lot on negative stuff So his fix for that and solution is to just not be negative Just stop being negative because people click on it Yeah, like what is the solution wrong the answer? I think is that there is no problem This is people being negative When they don't mean it and they're just doing it for clicks. That's the problem It'd be like insincerity is the problem as we talked about before Yeah, where's the section that explains why this needs to change and why this isn't delving into now on this is like negativity just It's uh, kind of like complicated what negativity means and where it comes from right Negativity can come from a place of like admiration for the medium Somebody could be really mad at a film because I don't know what's a sequel to a story that they loved And then it did damage to that and um, and so it's like what What uh, what motivates negativity if you want to define it all as like one word I mean that's probably worth delving into right as like a part of how people should be negative You know, there's not just like it should not be negative prime examples Is the lion king video from yms, which is just like damn dude that why do you think he made that video? Because he loves the original How do you muster that level of passion that like uh for to to like delve into explaining why you know Something is really really bad Like how do you muster that? Well, I mean you talked about how really passionate invested He talked about how we got to meet the art where it is like why am I fucking gone into the audio files and discovered um Clipping or whatever for the recordings How much more can you meet it where it is? And like yeah, but it's negative. It's like fuck maybe that's not the problem, dude Yeah, but it's negative. It's just that's not that's not helpful positive and negative It's like what does that even mean? You know when we talk about the definition of criticism We want to get it like what is the what about the degrees of negativity? What's the difference between like light criticism versus like absolute vitriol? Or the motivations are like what you focus on specifically like as part of a negative critique if you want to call it that What does it even mean for something to be negative? Is it something that has 100 negative criticisms 90 percent 80 percent? Like when do we cross the threshold into negative criticism? Or is it just the points that are being made? So in which case we shouldn't be looking at like the thumbnail or the title of the video as reflective of the totality of the video's point Well, he's starting to wonder if it's all just Presentational to him if it's all in the presentation of negativity If you say if you say criticism in an upbeat voice it'd be okay. It's like this is really bad No Tone seems to heavily influence the way that people will read something even like the order in which you say something can influence Um, because like some people are just more receptive to tone than they are to like what is literally being said or like body language or something, you know So, yeah, I wonder if you sat in a peppy upbeat voice like why something is absolutely terrible if it almost like slides under the radar Or like you said CJ compliments sandwich Well, I mean you have Why am I sorry on why this video online king was filled with compliments to the film, but you didn't mention it What if you just really dry in your appraisal like I don't know say mathematosis or something Oh, dude, you probably didn't even realize I don't even know if he knows what that is because he's he's clearly consumed by film review Well, I saw some video game Some video game cases on the on that shelf there. So he goes to play some video games I mean pretty much fucking everybody's playing video games these days Right, but that doesn't mean that you're paying attention to you know video game criticism. That's true It's easier to inspire people to anger and it is to other emotions you make videos talking positively about movies Nobody panics But you make one little video about Jeffrey Dahmer and put the joker in the thumbnail and Everyone loses their minds Did they lose their minds or did they just like it? What do you mean again the difference is that the show was out and it was I think Topical at that time and a lot of people wanted to hear about it and many people had like a lot a lot of people didn't like that And probably wanted to hear somebody explain why it was bad So I don't understand really why he's surprised by this This this it feels like a misuse of the meme too. I was about to say Yeah, I was thinking about it in my head and I was like do I want to do a joke audit here of like Because the the point the joke was his jokes are when everything goes according to plan Uh, nobody panics when everything goes according to plan is meant to be pointing out that when things play out as people expect or want them to um Everybody's chill and the claim that's being made is that like the the normal state of affairs is negative Yeah, that would be the use of the meme you'd be the I put out, uh, you know a rant about every mcu movie But I decided fuck it. I'm gonna praise love and thunder and it actually made more than every other one I don't know what's going on Well, I guess that's uh, yeah You'd be like everyone lost their minds Everyone's shouting me for saying that love and thunder was good because that's off script Like that would make way more sense The positivity is when everybody loses their minds What am I doing and of course it takes to detango, right? Like the algorithm would not be pushing these negative videos onto people If people stopped clicking on them, but That's not gonna happen because of a little thing called negativity bias. Oh my goodness. Maybe you should have started with this Yeah, this is a pretty poorly structured, but you're implicitly invalidating them again. Stop it Wait invalidating people clicking or the people making the videos the people making them He's saying these things shouldn't be like recommended around so much Even though yeah, but and it's so nuts because I would probably have cited the lying king video by yms It's like I wonder if he would include that. It's like we don't know he does It was one of his prime examples I fucking I have benefited in my life to have seen that video compared to not have seen it But now I'm getting told that like oh, it was pushed on you by the algorithm. It's like no Not to go white knighting, but you're being like really rude to these creators right now Well, remember they are blink it without the sincerity and the humor I love how he's invalidating other people for being negative while also being very severely negative Towards so many things in his own video including the title Well, this is a I I'm sure it's a you know the phenomena of like You say something negative why you saw opinionated you say something that's positive Hey, good for you. Like it feels like it's kind of a similar thing to that It's all opinionated positive or negative, but if it's negative then you're not supposed to do that Yeah, it's really fucking annoying Yeah, it's kind of this is what I mean. Where is the positivity bias video? Where's the positivity, you know conversation? So annoying that I can be as straight. I mean this actually applies to us The most controversial shit is always our negatives never out positive But yeah, that's same for everybody pretty much, right? Like anybody who praises anything It's sort of just like yeah, that's kind of normal when you're negative It was now on traverse with the loss of us Well, it's not like it never happens In the same way that anyone who praises like who controversial Yeah, because plenty of you know, I'd be we'd be fucking lying to say the the world loved that It did better than house the dragon. So like the But like marvel for example, like if anybody goes out there thoroughly praising Any of like like take the like MOM or I mean people did praise Like when it came out that was because again the hype cycle of people getting themselves super amped up and excited for something is like It's part of the discussion. I think should be So it's like it's it's all over the place, but like people are seen as much worse for having Criticized rather than praised Hmm That being a cognitive bias that makes our negative experiences and feelings affect us more significantly than our positive ones and When you design your algorithm to prioritize engagement, it is going to utilize negativity bias I might want to be careful. Um, I believe this sound this track is copyrighted Oh Yeah, I want to be careful with that one Well rip dream I guess I'll pause a lot and talk a lot if you guys can manage to do Uh, I feel like it was it would be worthwhile for him to talk a little bit about why People have a negativity bias and maybe like the reasons like the positive, you know The advantages from negativity bias like or why it would have arisen Or how, you know, how much of a link is there between the psychology of you know, how we remember and filter our positive and negative experiences to Film criticisms being negative or positive to movies because film criticism. That's negative doesn't give me a negative feeling It's not a it is a positive experience for me to watch a Video that is negative about Eggs because I mean think about like storytelling conflict, right conflict is negative in a sense Like or like, you know, when you watch a film that makes you cry because it's sad It's like you're seeking out Quite and quite negative feelings, but like for overall broadly, you know positive experience of consuming art Yeah, if something bad happens to you the death of a loved one or a traumatic event that happens to you Yes, it will shape you very impactfully But that's different than watching a video that you enjoy Being critical of something in a negative way. That's a positive experience for you The Algorithm is obviously not a human being it does not care what emotion it elicits out of you in order to create engagement It only cares about Engagement and when anger and negativity are the easiest ways to do that That is what it is going to do and over time As the algorithm continues to prey upon your cognitive biases This creates a culture that essentially attempts at every moment to negate the user's impulse control. I swear Uh, I see a title that is shitting over something And I think it'll be fun. I click on it. I'm I'm not like I'm I'm not on autopilot, you know, give me a little bit of credit here I also I don't know. Um, isn't the ultimate solution here then to be like We can't allow the algorithm to prey Upon our impulse to like enjoy things that have an bias toward negativity. Therefore If we let it run wild and just give us the things that we want We will not benefit. So we have to restrict our cell Like I don't see what the fucking solution here is from his point of view But I don't even agree that it's a negative thing. Anyway, when I fucking watch a movie that I like And then I see a video that's like this movie was shit. I'm like, hmm All right, maybe I'll give it a shot and then I list the video it being negative doesn't just automatically get a win from me Like this doesn't happen. I don't I don't buy this Um, it's oftentimes movies you've never watched movies you feel relatively bad or neutral on or movies You kind of hate that these videos do the best with And then you start to wonder Well, when would that make sense? It's like I guess if there was a plethora of bad movies If there's a lot of bad movies, there's probably gonna be a higher chance of there being a lot of criticism of those movies out there Well, that's certainly not happening. So No, not these days. No, this is good stuff So, yeah, because obviously he wouldn't be highlighting this if it wasn't like a bad thing that's happened as a result of Human nature and algorithm if it was to do with film being really shit And everyone's getting very tired of it. Uh, that you know, that that would just answer the questions straight away It's can't be that A lot of youtube users just see videos or comments that piss them off And it's like it it activates something in them and overrides their brain. They don't even think about it It's just autopilot. They click on the video. He's like, so like it and they leave an angry comment. What is This is a different topic This guy is just pissed that people have negative sort of feelings and anger I think he's just going through some kind of crisis But he could he cannot just take a human nature, which is you know It's human nature's part is Uh To be negative It's just a part of who we are and it's okay to be that way. I don't know why it has to be such a big deal for him Yeah, it's like i'm sorry. We don't make the rules here. It's just happens But he like this is a different thing because if this was If this is what he's complaining about these videos would not have strong engagement because they're getting this like bombed by people coming into Right angry comments Some of the most victimized here by a computer program Some of the most passionately ass holy people are the ones that are like, it's better to be positive Why do you have to be fucking negative and then they'll go into your comment section be like pee pee do do head You're being negative about thing. Why can't you put positive? Yeah, exactly. Why why if you don't like it don't watch it like that's so weird because As we said, this is this feels like a completely different thing that if anything could go against his whole series of points so far Yes, the people who are desperate things to be positive shit all over the people who are being negative about a film When it's like well, they're just being negative about a film now. You're being negative about them as people Yeah, isn't that worse? Neuron activation in this way yet they don't I have never met an individual who like they see something That has an objectionable opinion in it like they see a thumbnail or whatever or a title and then they go and click on it They go and dislike it. They go and write a comment and then they leave I've never met any individual operates in anything approaching this sort of way These are what we call theoretical people. He's highlighting this this scenario We're just some hateful goblin person is on the internet. They see this video It's like Dahmer is poopy and then they're like, ah And what is it? What does he think that he's learned from this like see that's negativity bias like what do you mean? It's like well, he sees a negative video and then he Gets negative and so he adds negativity to the video negativity bad and it's like couldn't you argue that all that came from him liking the show That would make those videos do worse I guess he's saying that the engagement of someone clicking on it to hate it is is good to or like that adds to the problem But I just don't get it at this point. We're practically advocating to stop being honest about what we think of things No, I guess I'm just thinking about something now like Would he like negativity bias would would we say that that reflects in like the kinds of movies that people go to watch? like when they go to the theater Or like actually not at all like broaden it out to everything Actively go out to well, I guess people actively seek out things that they think they're going to enjoy, right? Yeah, like pick up a video game we'll go watch a film And and so it's like oh actively enjoy it's like what does that mean that people enjoy? You know the the catharsis of like tearing into something that they dislike That that in and of itself is a kind of enjoyment similar to you know go and watch a film or play a video game But it's it's almost like film criticism isn't treated as like consumable in that kind of way as like a No, I'm trying to figure out in my head. So it's kind of I feel like that was uh Moving around negative movies people see movies that are like they give you they they're uncomfortable Or maybe they have bad endings or they're full of We're very like yeah, like what is horror if not pursuing the feeling of being terrified What is uh playing a really difficult game that makes you mad when you keep? Yeah, like these would be considered negative experiences. Would they not and then you'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa Yeah And you could and then this is this is why it's like really annoying because it's like this is all just normal behavior Someone seeing a video that says the thing you like is shit And then you go nah, it's not fuck off And then he's sitting there like don't you think you need help like no i'm fine This is indicative of a wider cultural issue regarding film criticism that stems all the way back to What was his name john something He didn't go that far back, okay, jeez. Oh, no, he didn't go that far back. It was just John film criticism How easy it would be to not put that in your video Engagement which in turn incentivizes creators to make negatively slanted video I hate it like yms makes that video because he fucking cares about the lion king. That's why he makes it Where he was gonna go. I need to argue. I really hate this situation These people are just manufacturing their feelings. It's really weird that he's A yms review can only come from a place of like sincerity and passion and you could see that in it and Absolutely. Yeah, to treat it as anything less than that is it's it's kind of it's kind of it is insulting We even got a bad for why is lindsay ellis here for what are you? Like chris stuck my making a hilariously review of the cat's movies like yeah That's probably because that's just the thing to do sure If you told me that that was entirely done for the clicks like I could believe that I could also believe chris wanted to give Is a perspective on a movie Most of the time they they come across as all the same, but I don't get why the other two videos are here. I really don't yeah If you watch lindsay ellis's review of the hobbit, it's extensive The idea that she did it for clicks to be negative and stuff. It's like yeah And then if he said And if he said well, no, i'm not saying that i'm simply saying that when they created it They knew that the negativity would be something that would sort of you know motivate they were motivated They were influenced to make something negative because they knew people would click it. It's like, okay. That's the same goes for positive too That's just how it works Yo's literally incentivizes them through monetization making videos at all is incentivized by monetization anytime you make a video We're gonna be getting some money And you don't know what'll kick off No, I think the thing is it really does depend on the video and the audience you can make a negative videos But if the video is a crap that Probably not going to get anywhere. Whereas if your audience is used to Sort of lengthy in-depth analysis of good Stuff they will watch it and it will get promoted by the algorithm. They're really unfortunately. There is no like One perfect way to go about doing things Lindsay ellis has plenty of videos that praise shit that has millions of views as well Loads of creators do I just I find this blame Like they're incentivized to be negative like also positive also just making stuff People are incentivized to do to create things Dopamine head of watching number go up and up and up almost feel sad for him. It's like you can do that with praise you can You can Because in this case it's like you see talking about you, right? You're something like yourself Yeah, yeah because he experienced the fact that his negative video on dama As a show got so much engagement that he's now incentivized to keep making negative videos on things Mr monkey brain I've seen channels the With like fairly low sub counts or view accounts And then they make a specific video praising something that's outside of their usual wheelhouse in terms of topic And it pops off in the algorithm gets orders of magnitude more and literally change the trajectory of a channel I was my thing was long form breakdowns of video games until it wasn't It's this yugioh channel that's the one i'm specifically talking about who averages like 250,000 maybe viewers per video then you made an ultra kill video and it went to 1.3 million Damn Yeah, uh, you can have channels that uh go Hyper algorithm with two completely different videos like completely different genres and formats and just like well That's how it happened this idea that it's like well now I'm forced to make another I got to make another video about another tv show in a negative way It's like that's up to you, man. If that's what you take from this you go ahead I imagine that it's not just you being negative about the dama series I'm gonna go ahead and say it that video is probably good Or make some really good points in there. Who knows? And and then maybe they're accurate according to the tv show and that maybe you felt passionate because you felt Some way about that show and that's okay It's okay that people agreed with you and found it interesting or maybe we're just engaged by it Because it was an interesting perspective. Why does it have to be? It's negative and therefore that's why it happened It's like he's um ashamed of himself or something Kind of like this this is mea culpa video for oh, I'm not really like this. I know my video did well, but I'm so sorry I've never I've never seen a youtuber beat this upset about doing well Well Yeah, well, yeah, that's a whole thing That is a whole thing items recently did a new content cop on items crazy And let me just be honest with you here for a second I'm sitting here thinking Why am I wasting my time making this video? About a subject that I'm clearly very passionate about and invested in that a video that I'm putting a lot of love and care into That I think is important that probably not a lot of people will watch when I could just make eight or nine more videos about why american horror story sucks um Because like different people are motivated by different things. I assume you know by more than making money It's because young man you see in life Sometimes the things that make us the most amount of money are not necessarily the things that we want to do the most And so which way will you go? I was just about to try and be sympathetic But I've I'm kind of losing the willingness to be sympathetic with the woe is mea attitude towards this When you're the master of your channel So you don't deserve you don't deserve views. Well, doesn't it feel like an intro video to youtube? It's like you can make something and then it can get high engagement and praise and view counts and therefore Monetization, but it could be something you don't want to make You go Incredible so I could make something that like does well, but that isn't something i'm passionate about You know, it's like you can you can like do whatever you want, man There's what else can you say to it? It's like you could just you just keep on making whatever you want to make you can make whatever you want and also the more you make of a thing Yeah, you know, it really depends how much you care about the numbers If he's because if he says like I need to make a living it's like okay Then you're gonna have to do work that you don't enjoy maybe you know, it's not necessary, but uh necessarily gonna happen This isn't the main job you have maybe you you know it's okay You don't it's not like there's this attitude that if you start youtube And it's not like you're full living that you will have like lost the game of life If you decide to stop being a youtuber or to scale it back to do a quote-unquote real job My people think oh i've lost i've i like i i I'm a loser. I couldn't make it work or whatever. No, it's fine It's fine people quit jobs and leave jobs and get new jobs all the time. It's normal You haven't lost anything. They're people a shameful thing Like here's here's the thing as well though. It's perfectly fine To keep making negative videos and make a living making negative videos as long as The negativity is at least somewhat like justified. It's sincere and justified. I mean that's totally Like the idea that he's like what do I do just keep making videos about hating above one It's like well. Do you think that this show is bad american horror story? Do you think it's bad? He says well, yeah, and they go okay. Are your points accurate in these videos? Well, yeah, it's like what is the problem? Don't you think that you are contributing positively uh positively to like film You know films in general in the industry if you make accurate criticisms about things that are bad Yeah, don't you want things to like, you know learn and grow and you want it for the best I mean don't you can't you be negative out of love for something? You know don't want it to do better. I'd want to flip it I'd be like so let's picture a world hypothetically where it was the most monetarily beneficial to just be positive And everyone's being positive about everything everything that comes out everyone's just super positive everyone clicks it Any criticism is shut down ignored or given like the kind of like look at that gross channel ban And it's like would this be a disaster as well? And if so it's like so it's not really about positive or negative is it? What is it really about? Think about it actually That's like my biggest problem with this like entire concept of like film criticism should not be negative because At this point if you are you know, you are making a statement And we can go down this rabbit hole and talk about it for hours and for like ages About this and circle around it, right? But like the point is to you know get to the point right at some point We have to stop this discussion and put a period on it But we you know draw a conclusion And to get to that conclusion we need a solution and there's no solution for this like how can you? Like fix negativity you just can't it just part of this shouldn't be fixed There's no solution. I think this very concept of this entire video and this title is just Pointless it's meaningless because there could there could not be any solution because you are you were basically Telling, you know, you are suggesting a utopia where there's no negativeness What is negativity without positive what is positivity without negativity? Yeah I mean again, why is the negativity necessarily bad? It's like people aren't realizing the the catharsis of the negativity in a large part As well as confirmation bias will also be hearing someone talk passionately about something people like that generally I just it's been a fundamental for me for a while of just I do want to like have a one-to-one with people like this sometimes just to be like so You know give me a bit of praise and then what is the flip reverse of that? And then eventually we get to a point where I'm sure you degree like yeah Negativity is important. It's uh, if that's how we format it or categorize it Maybe like and so what about a video that or what about a film that's almost exclusive to that? And you'd probably like well, that's not possible. I just be like, all right Give me some writing praise in you know fucking mlm. I probably pick Just uh go through until you Basically figure out that it is possible To get to a point where the majority of the things you say are negative about a thing And that you genuinely feel it and that you feel it's important to get out there for overall like discussion or whatever And when he eventually concedes fully that video is fine. It should exist. It's sincere. It's even maybe funny Uh, whatever and it's like, okay So now what if there's like five of those now 10 now 15 now 20 when does it get to the point where you're like? Oh, no culture's been destroyed I just don't see it And uh, it's really hard to buy when we've got so many positive videos out there to the point where you know people Highlighted as a problem as well Right like it feels like we're only looking at one half of the uh the equation And maybe be able to pay my rent or crawl my way out of debt now Um, I'm I don't know man like you're you're your financial decisions are your to weigh up and measure and Try to avoid being in debt. I don't know. Right. So actually I said to you like I fucking hate how culture incentivizes me to kill people I'm like, whoa, what? And I go listen. Okay. It's not really like I need to make a living. There are bounties out there There are hitmen opportunities Dark web stuff and I need to put food on the table, man You know like Oh What like I nearly went a month without killed someone and I was I was having ramen noodles. I I was living in a box I just I'm sorry What am I to do You know, like, yeah, I guess there's just no other option, man You have to make videos that you hate about things Like you hate making them and you have to be insincere about how you hate so What's going on? When do we decide that that's the only option into society? I feel like It's it's this combination of your dream job, but there's only one way you can do your dream job and it's not the dream Way of the dream job, you know what I mean? And so therefore it's like you're on the option I love how this entire stream just turned into like one sided therapy session for this poor guy It really feels like it It's okay I don't know. I guess just learn how the world works I suppose sorry that the things you want to do the most or not the things that get you the most amount of money Because we're not talking about money versus no money. We're talking about different amounts of money that you get So it's not an element of you know, it's all or nothing I just uh, I've heard this a lot and um I just want them to admit the You I'm willing to be sympathetic to some degree. All right. Like you really want to make this job work That's like the thing you want, but you know You could make one of five videos and all five of them are things you kind of care about But one of them is the most negative and you're like, well, I guess I gotta make that one because if I want to make the most money That's a smart decision to do the next week. You're like, oh, here I go again making another one. That's negative and again again and Yeah, like I understand it but to some degree I'm just like man, you're making these decisions. Okay I I think that's uh something that's worth emphasizing is like when it comes to because of course to talk about Oh, the algorithm incentivizes this it's like there's a lot of things that you are There are a lot of things that you could do that could get you more views and make you more money But I mean you're not making all of those decisions because ultimately at some point, right? That's what you want to do will be more important than how much money you want to make Like at some point you reach that and this is worth sort of reflecting on right? Like if you if it really upsets you like to do negative criticism like if it actually makes you like deeply like um, unhappy to uh To like do that kind of thing um You can always just you know, you could always what's more positive Like you can skew it towards the things that make you happier even if it means less viewership But I mean that's the trade-off right like you might make less money, but I mean I mean Like what is the proposed solution to this problem because it says film criticism should not be negative But I'm pretty sure he said it a couple of times in this video like oh well. Yeah, but I mean nothing's gonna change So what's the point then you know like what what what is the what's the takeaway then? What is the individualist message that you can pull away from the video? But he still hasn't made a single good argument for why Negativity is itself a bad thing. Yeah in the first place The closest he got was that it's like a self-fulfilling cycle that the more negative We are the more it shows us negativity the more we like Almost convinced that negativity is the only thing that's there and then we more we search it out It's like, okay. We still haven't gotten to the core problem though. Have we Negativity is bad, right? It's like, I mean it depends on what we mean by negativity Right, we're exactly yeah, and it's like, oh, what do you mean? Like why do we need to define those terms? But it means like it might be worthwhile because like bad and negative They're broad and as we've talked about already, right people will seek out Seemingly negative experiences from the art that they consume be it like frustration sadness melancholy like Conflict Maybe like attention because it's not fun to feel but in the context of Storytelling the characters are dealing with something difficult or even as simple as two people who are breaking up as a relationship And you're like, oh, I don't like this, but you do like it Oh, I mean even you know exercise, right? That's strain. That's like putting strain on the body Um, but that's like a that's like a broadly positive thing exercise Um, even though it comes with like effort and challenge and difficulty Um If it was like that we need to be factoring that into the discussion too of like defining clearly what we mean by negative And differentiating between negativity that is valuable and useful and negativity that is just totally and utterly destructive Yeah, it's not even as if negativity is some Faustian bargain with the devil that will guarantee you more engagement No, you're right. It's not there are loads of channels that die when they're trying to be exclusively negative They're like, I don't get it. Why isn't it working? It's What can you say a channel I mentioned effort channel the ultra kill video was nothing but praise He just heaped praise upon the game for like an hour or so And again, uh, the ugeo channel I mentioned earlier Okay You just like He just went off just praising the game because he sincerely loved everything about it And that was that was the video and it was by far the most engaged thing he ever made I was going to say yeah And it's like I feel like people could feel your passion enough to just be interested whether or not your video is negative or not People love it when people talk about things passionately Right, it's exciting interesting Engaging and engaging can can be positive or negative And passion can be negative as well. Yeah, we're really really sensitive huge spectrum here And yeah, so because somebody don't buy right Is the the point could be made eventually the well Whether or not you agree that negativity is is a thing and honestly like categorically It being the only thing available Would that not be considered a bit of a problem? Like that could be something that we may agree with but it's just like but there's no way you can convince me that that's the case Well, you it's it just isn't it's it's not. Yeah, it was also negative. I mean it is someone I was thinking about, right? Check this out. You got H bomber guy his video, which I thought was bloody brilliant on uh, Sherlock Pretty sure that's like hyper engaged with this guy. I'm trying to find it. Where is it? Sherlock is garbage and here's why 11 million views like fucking l see negativity doing its job You know, like, all right. What else we got in his uh, his listing and it's like, well, he shits all over um uh Well, he's uh Ruby I forget what it is. It's like an anime made by is it rooster tea rooster teeth anime. I think yeah So 5.4 million you're like, okay, you know, it's still really really solid It's just not as engaged as the you should look one It's like maybe he needed to be more negative all out new vegas is genius and here's why 8.5 million. It's like wait a minute That's positive What's going on here Perhaps we can observe some other trend here and then you got Pathologic is genius a fucking game that most people have never even heard of Uh, don't want to play either and and he even says at the fucking video. He probably shouldn't play it He should look at that someone explain it 8 million views So what's happening? How do we explain that and I guarantee you he'd be like, well, you know, there's exceptions like, uh, uh Well, it is interesting to think about right because I it was something that was mentioned before about uh By him about popular subjects But I mean there are some creators who can transcend like the popularity of a given Like it's just people are interested in what they have to say about anything Yeah, it's a good personality that is insightful. You know every time I watch this video And I'll learn something or I'll be entertained by this guy I've never heard of it, but I'll be interested because you're talking about it and and that you know That's uh, that's a place that people can get to as our creators. That's probably the place you want to get to really Yeah, just because Well, yeah, I mean I because I would say that this channel strikes me as very much fitting into the mold of the uh the video essay kind of like um I don't know not maybe stereotype but mold I guess um, yeah It feels familiar and it also feels like you watch too many Marvel reviews in a row that were negative And was like, okay Well, what inspired this was probably there was something that he it's it was enough That it actually it's probably yeah It's probably more likely that actually than what I was thinking of like one too many negative reviews on on things that he enjoyed Well, it could be it could be all of it. It could be that that and the fact that his video is uh His negative video has done well, which spells doom It's like it's like what's what's doom for the entire world, you know, like what happened? How did we get here where people are receptive to negativity? Oh, no, it's uh, we got to stop it. We got to do what we can even though it's unstoppable and part of human nature Yeah, and ultimately okay It sucks and maybe be able to pay my rent or crawl my way out of debt I don't like these appeals either of like appealing to your own personal like, you know I've gotta be negative in order to pay the bill What if everyone felt like this then I guess we'd have to accept the negative culture That's like, uh, that's a thing that we talk about right now debt student loans. Yeah Like that's how it feels to me I mean, yeah, I just not here for the petty party. I have plenty of respect for people who admit like hey Um, couldn't make the youtube thing work couldn't make it work I went I'm doing a different job now. It's like that's all good But people who are like I couldn't make it work. So I had to appeal to the algorithm Make videos but I didn't even really care for the algorithm. I had to bring it offerings Yeah, it's just like okay of like a horror movie where the algorithm it's like, um, he's just there He's this big entity cackling as everybody's bowing to him A picture there's like big slimy black thing with tentacles and you like, you know Drop the thing. Well, maybe it's like uh, because now I'm just gonna squeeze the simpsons reference in you remember the big giant golden homer Yeah, remember when hunger was like coated in gold and then it's just That's the algorithm each of the jewels of our video my I bring into a reskin of the south park episode the economy ones, you know, oh, yeah Around the economy Yes, it's pretty good like a real entity like the economy isn't just made up of people It's like he's a an actual person you could appeal to Make sacrifices to get its benefit It's just I guess it makes you feel better if you say it's not my fault. It's the algorithm the algorithm Like the economy is our shepherd We shall not once It was Randy Randy is so funny I love Randy It's an interesting evolution where like south park had an initial slate of obviously main characters who've stayed consistent But also secondary characters and longer. It's gone on the secondary characters just got replaced with Like tertiary or like even non-speaking characters who just ended up being more interesting and funny and fit into the dynamic better You remember like how um, it was it was uh stands uncle Uncle Jimbo like yeah used to be like a really prominent character But like you never see him anymore now. It's randy. Do you understand grandpa? He used to pop up He did pop up and of course butters like became essentially almost like a main like one of the main character I mean he basically is a main character at this point Yeah, I don't mean spoke to like the first three seasons, but you had other characters like um other other characters, uh That were just more prominent, but then they weren't as Uh, interesting or funny It's south park is an interesting evolution over the course of like what 25 years at this point If everything is still good, it's gotta be like studied as like a holy fuck What an anomaly to have been that good for that long Yeah, the south park has managed remain consistently entertaining for a very long time. Um, and it looks like yeah, you know what through negativity Oh, yeah through negative through negativity often end with you know what I learned something today and then the piano music I will stand would talk about the lesson that they learned Also, I think I'm I now I'm not going to assign too much Um Motive you know behind anything, but I did go to the go to his channel I took a lit it took a little look here because I was curious and I had a hunch I wonder if this plays into one of the reasons um Behind this or or or maybe this is part of a trend. I don't know. It's now a lot of this is made after this video though, I think that You know, it's maybe before this Yeah, in fact, let me go back before well No, I I guess looking at looking at this rags in terms of the list of videos the fatal floor of glass onion It's like well that sounds negative, but that didn't very well Was uh, HBO is the last of us really necessary. It's like excuse a little bit negative Um, and that's 43, you know a thousand views. So that's a lot less Um, so I guess that's that's interesting dude. He's gonna be called the empire strikes back is not star wars What does that mean? What does that mean? Is it gonna be is it gonna be literal like the first one was called star wars the empire strikes back is called the empire strikes back If you Before this video was done and yeah, he's got a he's got a couple That did well, but it seems like the vast majority of the videos here are just not really getting that many You know getting the most it's real and consistent is what we see here Like some of them are only less than 10k. You got a couple 300, you got a couple hits Yeah, you got you got your two hits with chicken little Is neoliberal propaganda? Okay, and why does american horror story asylum even exist like those two did well then much much better than the rest and then you got the big hit with a dumber video, but everything else is pretty low to Mis reviews I think it's a hell the the algorithm as kind of has been implied in this video is much more complicated than negative wins Yes, it is The reality is like it's kind of it's kind of hard to wrap our heads around how these things work like They're complicated. I mean, they're exceedingly complicated I You got a you got a gave me no choice. I had to put food in the table It's funny as well because Inherently within the way that it fucking works like it's gonna be exclusive to some degree the algorithm It's not gonna be hackable so to speak You'll get people who can figure it out Or at least uh grab onto something but nobody who can just like ace it to get to number one of trending every single video They put out that's not happening. Uh, no way. No There'd be people who are doing it if they knew how to do it I guess mr. Beast tends to like always the thing with mr. Beast though Is probably an understanding of the algorithm combined with he does things. They're insane like absolutely fucking insane There's like, oh, it's not he's doing negative reviews films and he's like I know how to title this to get to number one I mean his content is quite positive. So that's true. It's incredibly positive And you gotta remember like how many people can do what he does There's like it's so hard to replace what mr. Beast can do, you know Nobody in the bedroom is gonna copy that like I'm gonna go and kill a thousand people's blindness Yeah, I'm gonna recreate the squid game set and send a hundred people through who else can do that Mom could I use the basement for squid game? So, yeah, no, that's actually really interesting to think about because uh That starts to tap into what is it truly that like when when super positive stories about big events are really popular And it's just like maybe it's just you know, interesting crazy amazing things And you're like, well, maybe it's and then you just label every experience across the board Of what people enjoy You're like, oh, so it's it's not just negativity And then he'd be like, well, no, but it kind of skews that way and it's like, okay So now what? What have we learned I can't I can't wait to get to the conclusion part of this video. I just wanted to know what he says Yeah, we'll get ahead of him for him to answer that get to the title. It should be negative Why we're running out of time. What else do we got to do then? What's the alternative? Able to pay my rent or crawl my way out of debt now I want you to be honest with yourself Wait, is this like a piano rendition of uh, is this a piano rendition? This is pokemon music I saw someone say um The health station thing. I forget what's called. Yeah, I think it sounds like uh, it sounds like the pokemon center Is that that one? Wait, no, no, no. Yeah. Yeah, it sounds like it. It's or is it a town. It's one of the towns, isn't it like uh New bog towns almost said which color is it from uh, I this this is which color town I I'm trying to yeah, it sounds like it's uh, it's pokemon, but it's piano, which is uh Yeah, it's off. Piano remember fragile insensitive always little work town. Uh, that was from uh, that was from, uh sapphire and Ruby, right That's what has been mentioned I think yeah, I I just noticed What an interesting selection of music I wonder how he went about curating the music for this video songs. He likes well Why why is typed in soothing music big bucket of uh, this section is called negativity bias Which you know starting your little adventure in the pokemon world that sounds like a pretty upbeat and Happy sort of thing first time you have to take your pokemon to the fucking hospital to clean you see all their wounds And you're like, oh my god Oh god That's what it's meant to be this music is playing while a horrified pokemon trainer watches his Pikachu was on the verge of death Well, you have you know Uh, you walk out into the into the grass and then you come across a cat pee And he just jumps and it bites it in half and then burns the remains you're like Okay Enjoy the image of cat or peas in pain my for my first trading card ever was a was a cat or pee I never played the trading card game. I was never never into it. I just oh, we never played it. We just collected it I don't I still don't know to this day where the fucking rules are to that pokemon From every person I've ever known to collect those cards has been exactly that I don't know how the fuck the game works. I just you know, it's just super cool collectors items, right? Yeah, like I would play I could I could play magic the gathering and Yu-Gi-Oh and fucking dual masters. I could play all that but no one knew how to play pokemon What is uh, what is what is everybody's favorite starter pokemon? Squirtle Kenny Oh, hey, I'm so glad you said squirtle He's the best lad Oh, that's tough to say He's an adorable little design and among the three he actually counters them both if you give blastoise ice beam Oh Even though objectively Bulbasaur is the best. No, I kind of like them all They all have they're all They're all aesthetically different and they seem to have their own like sort of personalities going uh, but Oh, I don't know. I might go with Bulbasaur just because I think he doesn't get as much attention and he definitely doesn't Everything is the other way Yeah, squirtle and shaman listen. Okay. Venusaur tenses. He's a fat old man. Well, the other two look badass I like Venus though, but yeah, I know what you mean Venusaur is not the two list of the three Charizard is like the classic fire dragon Then you have the the turtle massive turtle with literal cannons out of its shell Yep And then Venusaur is you know, he's neat, but he's like a big toad with this big flower on his back And you're like, you know, that's that's neat, you know, there there is a man Remember when pokemon evolutions like made sense No, I see much it's been too long. Well, man, remember the adventure we went on at looking at all of the Watching the deteriorate because I mean, you know, turn it all syndical like they're really cool. I like them I like mudkip I had the arc. I think it was pokemon black and white era That was that's when I dipped my toe back in and I was like, oh god the ice cream the chandelier and the keys That's when I was like, I think I'm done I think that was uh, that was the one that I that was when I stopped playing I like skipped that one. That was one of our lost interest It was first two three generations of pokemon looked really good particularly the first two generations Um, and we're not biased toward it because it's the era that we played. No, sir We're not biased for it because it's the nest or anything Clarity and the designs that they had for the earlier generations the longer it went on the harder It was to sort of because you've used up a lot of our really good base designs Yeah, and it got to the point where the The numbers got really high. I remember seeing this meme It's like gen one pokemon is like collect all the pokemon and then like nearest jan is like And now it's like six hundred and seven hundred and people are asking collect all the pokemon You know, do I have to oh my Jesus? It's a thousand now. Did you guys uh, did you guys see the the one thousandth pokemon? Posted do it on the index. Yeah. Oh, I think we we talked about it. Didn't we it looks like shit Let's get cj's opinion on it The last the last pokemon game I played was silver. So this is all beyond me. Oh, no Doing the keychain one That's uh, that's that's the number one That's the thousands pokemon. Are you fucking serious? shit It looks like a cheese string Looks like a macaroni mascot. It looks like a slut macaroni What's it called uh gold engar. Oh, it's even called gold digger I Like how that belt is just a suggestion. It's not really anything else I don't get it. Why would it be like some epic like crazy? You think a dragon of some kind not this Something that harkens back to the classics, you know Yeah, look at how fucking cool muti was at the hundred and fifty. Oh, yeah Dang, dude, that guy means business and he can talk and call me names and shit Yeah No way, what okay, is that an actual man? You kind of want to see him in motion now, don't you? maybe Oh, what were we talking about criticism? um Take it away film christensons. There's nothing negative Self if you were in my position if you were sitting in this seat right now What would you do all of this I make the videos I want to make the videos you want to make Yeah, make the videos you want to make. Yep, son And if someone says like yeah, that's all well and good for you, but I want to make money It's like then make those videos That pays money No, I would go further rags. It's like if you're gonna say like I have to make money It's like then make the fucking video that makes money. What's it like? What what's the problem? It's like, but I don't want to it's like then don't Sorry, welcome to the nature of jobs. I don't know what to say It's so tiring Make the video. I don't want to work in the the you know retail thing. I hate it. It's like, oh shucks Doesn't that suck? Do you think you have more joy and freedom and what you want to do at your retail job or making the youtube videos you want to make? Well rags, I wanted to save away the hundreds of hours with the horrible customers and just a dying fucking environment But you I gotta pick that over making a video about how the newest tv show sucks that that's the truly Life-sucking job that I couldn't possibly do I'm not sure I buy it I'm not sure I buy your personality and talent and your own personal spin on things and enjoy the creativity of doing that Then I don't know man. Maybe youtube isn't your thing and if you hate it so much Maybe that retail job is better. Maybe you'll find another job. The world is full of jobs that you can do I wonder if he did just make a negative review of all tv shows that it would just skyrocket his channel to a billion subscribers He should do it in his experiment. See if it works. I don't think it would It's affecting me mentally much more than it probably should like every time I go to the grocery store right there And I'm standing at the checkout line and I glance over at the tabloids. I see them and I just think These are just youtube thumbnails. Oh my god. No, you've got it backwards No backwards break the conditioning. What is going on in the beginning there was youtube When there was supermarket tabloids Like if he was gonna say like no, I know they came first. I just mean that it's just like youtube. It's like, oh my god. Yes no way Like these look like a lot of my thumbnails. Oh That doesn't look the same as those tabloids. I will say Also, I do find it cringe when they're like, they don't want you to see this Scientists hate this one easy fact that's the one a dentist will hate them It's all the same simple trick. Okay. That's different. I don't want you to know These these two things are very different I feel like that is very newsworthy. I don't know like I think you say like it's negativity bias like Well, I mean It's a grocery store checkout line It's the same schemes to try and get you to turn off your impulse control and just say So be the change you want to see in the world Is that what kick cats look like in America? Yes, they're well, they're more clear America that packaging is very different from Kit Kat's in Australia. He's different. Really? What do they look like in yours? Let me see if I can find just Those are an American thing Reese's looks the same And here she's here and kinder I don't know if well, they sell will they sell Reese's in kendo in the uk as well, but we don't i'm pretty sure I've never seen her. She's In the uk at least I have but it might be in like American themed stores But the Kit Kat one looks different as I now I'm so curious as to what why is it that apparently Australians are more receptive to our version of the Kit Kat like logo Segments of the company that made their own I was gonna say this is what the British one looks like Are we comparing the packaging of Kit Kat? Yeah, that's what we do man That's how engaging the video is Well, I mean He's made that retarded point again though like if we all gotta go back to the fucking video It's the Kit Kat wanted to make their wrappers like more positive and everything, but they just the negative wrappers They just sold more, you know so, um He's describing this transaction as this horror right, but you just you just guy he come home to on the youtube I just came home from watching that dumb movie Guba Guba and then someone's like Guba Guba's shit and you watch it you laugh and you go oh wow that was really bad when Uh, Gubble's parents did that and and you go yeah in the ending didn't really make sense and my god This this is the future of the Indiana Jones franchise. Can't believe it terrible terrible Oh, that was a good video. That was fun. And then he's sitting behind you like that was terrible is what that was You just came home with a negativity bias and you watched a negative video and now you feel even more negative about everything It's all a big cycle and that person's going to get paid for being negative The algorithm literally just hijacked your brain and turned off your impulse control to make you click on that Who feels like the negative focused person this and this this This whole thing. I don't know man I hate the way he reduces us to like Not as content creators and someone who you know makes content that they're proud of or puts a lot of effort into it You know or tries to be creative artistic whatever And reduces that to oh, we're just spreading negative negativity and we're just here to make everyone depressed like that Only here because a machine tells us to do things, you know I mean He said not take it to not take it personally, but it's pretty personal to me I mean I put a lot of effort into what I do I don't want to be yeah, you treat just like we're all just flesh puppets out of like an assembly line for content that we're not like artists When it's like stop projecting, bro I'm just thinking about how negativity bias is like aries and wonder woman, right? Like he's just whispering into people's ears make negative videos Do it and then you know wonder woman says I believe in love, but you know, I guess that's like the opposite, right? Like that's positive versus negative and then the algorithm gets really mad And screams then I will destroy you That would then I will ignore you You have and I will ignore you. Yeah, exactly five guys make a video on a video We a thing each and they all share with each other and like yeah, this bad this bad this bad And then he's just over there being like fuck you guys ruined everything We're like, oh, it's chill, you know, we actually like a lot of stuff. He has and he's like no No, too late. You've been puppeted Them and I just think These are just youtube thumbnails Like these look like a lot of my thumbnails It's it's all the same. It's a grocery store checkout line. It's the same Wow to try and get you to turn off your it's so weird because he's actually implied that the yms video is this It's like dude that video is so insightful. Why are you doing this? I think he hasn't seen it Well, he claims to have just watched it being like yeah kill disney I guess it's it's more lame that like he doesn't that because he I'm sure that he did see it But it's almost like he saw it and he came away with like a very different valuation of that It's almost like he couldn't tell the difference between that yms, you know review versus I don't know just a review that is just like cynically shitting on something There should be 20 things we kept in mind that he contextualized all of the new film reviewers Including but not limited to I hate everything yms even Lindsay Alice as like derivative of Plinkett But without the sincerity and the humor Like that's one of the like most insulting parts of the video for those creators. I've been like damn dude Well, now he's just going hard on like everybody Well now he's saying the solar stuff that we're all being tricked into watching. Yeah, shut off your brain. Watch this crap Why don't you make the fucking video that's so insightful He's like I would but it won't hit the the the algorithms. So why would I which is so lame If anything surely isn't it if there wasn't if there wasn't negativity and if there were only positive videos, wouldn't that in itself encourage us to kind of Shut off our brain and just yes. I don't think he's toxic positivity Yeah, don't you know don't ask questions just consume products. Well, it's just this is fine It's the this is fine fellow sitting in a you know, it's like what's not very productive. Is it that thought experiment? Reveals that it has nothing to do with negative or positive Nothing to do with it. It's just what is prevalent Which is a weird metric to determine that something is bad because it's prevalent And you know, it'll come all the way back to the thing We said most most important thing be fucking honest be passionate and be sincere And we should encourage that and there are ways to make money on youtube and engagement on youtube Where you block out all three of those or you go against all three of those and it's like yeah, you can and we should shun it We should be like hey They lied about that or they weren't seeing sear about that or they blah blah blah about that Which we do I think everybody does it You know about each other's content and stuff and that's a totally fine little ecosystem that's happening But he's just like no it's the negative portion. We're just like man. You cut out a swath that includes just everything Your impulse control and just say Fuck it Kick cat bar. Hell. Yeah. Wait Brad Pitt said what I gotta read that and I suppose by deductive What have you ever read a supermarket tab whenever because I've never read one in my life people do Well, yeah, I I'm gonna go. I would defend it. All right If if they have a front cover that says you'll never believe what baraco barba said about pac-man. I'd be like, okay Okay What did he say the only thing the only thing I'm thinking is uh, can I find and read this article before the two people ahead of me Get their grocery scanned in Yeah, like I need to know you google it on the phone You're like, oh, he said that it was one of his favorite games of all time But then he'd never played again because it's too addictive. You're like, I guess what I'm finding interesting here Is like this isn't negativity. It's clickbait, right? Like it's it's clickbait Yes, that's what you would be talking about with supermarket tabloids is like the most eye catching attention grabbing Not necessarily incendiary, but you know often incendiary it's so but that's a different discussion I would say to like negativity bias. Yeah I feel like this video is secretly about clickbait, but he doesn't realize it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, you know what? I think I don't think he knows what this video is about because I mean look at the title and look at what he's not Talked about the what's pretty good. Why is there a why? Yeah, that's a Who knows? That's true. That's true Yeah Kit Kat bar hell. Yeah, wait Brad Pitt said what I gotta read that and I suppose by deductive logic that just makes me a tabloid journalist No Oh, are you saying that that's a youtube make a youtube yeah as a youtube Um, I'm really really sorry that you view producing youtube content in that way Maybe this isn't the job for you because you seem to be miserable and cynical about it And it's your own work. So I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You feel that way. Um, It's I guess it's a damn shame Don't you don't have to you don't have to play into these quote unquote schemes to generate engagement If you don't want to if it really weighs on you like this You could do what you want that makes you happy you could produce the There are definitely youtubers who would count as tabloid journalists because that's the kind of content that they make But what this guy makes doesn't count like what we would all make I guess and what the people he's talking about That it doesn't count. It's such a weird comparison to me The I guess the equivalent would be is if you saw a magazine that said, um, Thor Love and Thunder is awful and you go, whoa in big big lady pick it up And it's fucking like 60 pages of arguments and references and callbacks to all these things that you'd be like, well Yeah, that was that's I I was sold a thing and I got it I just don't ever understand the problem as you guys just highlight It's like is he talking about false promises when you get told you're gonna get a thing and you don't Or like an exaggerated vision of the thing because yeah, that that is true. Um We still haven't really gotten to the title of the video. Yeah, I assume we will I hope the most the most ironic thing The most ironic thing about this video is that it's more negative than any film criticism I've seen lately Like I it's so negative. It's making me depressed. Yeah, it is actually. You're right. This is a very negative video Someone to consider someone up to doom and gloom about Someone to consider about negative criticism is that whenever and this doesn't always work this way But you kind of expect it to someone says like this thing happened in the film whole tv show whatever and that's bad Because and then they give a reason for example It's incongruent with this other thing the implication then it's like so if it were congruent it would be good right like the Inherent in a in a negativity is is like a equal and opposite presumably and so that person has this scale and the You know anything that qualifies for that would then be positive. They send everything out. It's not just like I'm almost picturing that he thinks of it as just you just you are that monkey with the bone hitting stuff There's no Rhyme or reason or or scale or intention or goal. There's just nothing. It's just all We're just we're just swinging around our bats at stuff Because that because we've just become so reduced down into negativity wins. She's like, I don't I don't think this is even remotely close. What videos you watching? If all your video if you if you look at candy bars and you think like oh youtube content and it's I don't know it Watch different videos maybe or How do you trap yourself in this kind of a rut? How do you get in this ditch? Of like youtube videos are just it's just fast food. It's just candy. You know, it doesn't it's not a like a proper meal It's not substantive And at that point you might need to just I wouldn't mind in doing this explore What you find meaningful about videos and not because that might be more the actual thing If he if he really hates cinemas in to be really likes Maybe yms for example, it's like why most of the difference they're both negative So what's happening? Is it because one of them makes better points more insightful points better editing? Who knows? Maybe one maybe you need to ask yourself. Why am I a youtuber that too? anyway, um We're gonna be done talking about this now And you're probably thinking I spent all this time talking about youtubers and the platform Algorithm, but what about the movies we're shitting on aren't they really to blame? You know aren't movies just getting worse. I will say that the theme for animal crossing wild worlds is stellar I always love the theme for wild worlds. I would just open that game up and just let it play on my ds um, it was oh So surprised you went just Overthrown by the fact that he's finally introduced the idea that films are pretty bad right now Or a lot of that. I was too busy thinking about the animal crossing wild worlds theme I'm just I'm just glad that it's getting a mention that films have been I didn't honestly think it would Yeah, he would tackle this He thought about it ahead of time. He's like wait people will just say films are really bad though But what has he got for it aren't they really to blame? You know aren't movies just getting worse and worse isn't cinema dying maybe well Over the course of the past few years you've probably heard prolific filmmakers like Steven Spielberg Or quentin tarantino or martin scorsese. I'm martin scorsese. Hello Talk about the death of cinema as it relates to things like streaming services Or how marvel movies aren't cinema or how disney has a stranglehold over the entire market And I feel like the conversation's already over then we've done it all of the most prolific directors of history have said This is an all-time low for film Like oh, I mean that's probably pretty compelling I guess we're still in the negativity portion They're only saying it because they're negativity What it produces and while it would be easy to just dismiss all of this stuff as Old people complaining about how things aren't like the good old days How the fuck could you do that with the disney versus hateful hate thing? But if for anybody who doesn't know that was basically theaters were told do not allow hateful hate to take up spaces for disney films Or we all refuse to allow you to show the disney film whatsoever Yeah, they do that regularly Tarantino is not percent correct. How could you possibly phrase that as like, oh, that's just boomers being mad at the modern? It's like no, that's just like no, that's awful He had an arrangement to play his film at the cinema dome. I think it was for like two weeks but then It was just another big company basically saying nah Nah, no, that's out. Those are our screens What does that got to do with like? Yeah, new versus old or whatever I think it would be a gross oversimplification to ignore that there definitely is a paradigm shift going on in the world of cinema Yeah, this is wing music. It sounds it's not uh Is it the shop the shop one is uh Or is this later in the shop because the shop is like Dude That's the shop one this one sounds a little bit different. Is this uh, is this like the weather channel or something? No, this is top 10 movies of old time gross idiot little weather channel. No, which which which one is it? Oh, we'll figure it out eventually Ignore that there Is a paradigm shift going on in the world of cinema It's been really fascinating to see how something like changing the way in which we consume movies has changed our perception of movies I think martin scorsese. Yeah Is right when he says that Basically consuming movies the exact same way we consume social media has shifted the perspective of movies from art to content That's how you you youtube It's you know, this is complicated because like Uh, there's there's definitely angles here that I'd be more than willing to agree with but like at the same time Great incredible movies have come from Fucking random Netflix like, you know deals and put on to streaming Well, I guess the uh the the lens of content is like a um, that's like a Conversation, um, I I feel like streaming as a part of it, but it's like it's it's only a part of it, you know Um, it seems like like franchising in general as like an objective Um Seems to become more and more prevalent in the last like 20 years because it's a safer investment Then you know doing something totally new and original and how much of that is influenced by streaming, you know Yeah, because uh, we get to a dangerous position of at first you're like, yeah, you're right It is all like fucking sludge everywhere all the time and then it's like well I don't know man. Like Arcane was pretty fucking good You know, yeah, but it's it's created like a streaming environment. It's like that's not even a film. You're like, okay But like there, you know Everything everywhere at once does that not it feel like a film. It's like Spread around all kinds of streaming. It just it just feels always like maybe it's more to do with just We're gonna do the thing. We always fucking do it if app. Maybe it's just the writing is pretty bad right now That could actually just be it it doesn't actually have to be because of a shift to streaming or theaters getting Shad on or covid ruined everything. It's like I feel like all of these things don't wouldn't change if if uh, like wouldn't make it so that we only get bad stuff If the writers were real fucking good so, you know Garrison, so it's the audience's fault. It's always the audience's fault. It's the rember It's how negativity bias that caused all this shit to happen. I guess Exact same way we consume social media has shifted the perspective of movies from art to content which is Really a devaluation of cinema and on on streaming platforms To the level of quote content unquote That's what it's become the goal of how much of this is upset that this sort of paradigm and uh of how movies are Produced and shown is That was a netflix film right? Yeah was I don't you are you saying like you wouldn't consider that content you consider it, uh, you know cinema, right? But it went straight to streaming Yeah, i'm sure that he can maybe he would say yeah, but it's it should have been in a theater Are maybe yeah, are the old, you know, are the old guard of cinema? Are they just lamenting that the theater is not like the the only experience that a movie can be I mean we kind of enjoyed in or we've gone through this shit before where you know take, um Just there's some guy out there who's like man I fucking hate going to the cinema for all the different reasons a lot of people do it's going to do with necessarily just enjoying the film It's just more to do just the environment the people the blah blah blah And then they're like i've got my projector at home my mini theater or something and I want to I can have my streaming service get me the film immediately and I can put it up there And I can I can thoroughly enjoy the film Likely as it was intended something that I doubt even martin would complain about like if they just just consumed it that way And you're like oh well that's in the era of content of streaming everything Does that not devalue the cinema and it's like sometimes I just don't buy this at all I get it when you see someone who's like i'm gonna check out fucking 2000 word on my phone on the plane You'd be like okay Like that's that's probably not a good idea Um, but you know there are films that kind of are fine to watch that way who like ones that are almost trash but then there's ones that uh Are much better suited for a theater But then there are people that they were like I don't fucking like watching films in a theater and that's okay too Um, you know Meeting as he said in the beginning meeting a film where it's at. I feel like the theater is not the only place you can do that I service So yeah, I just I would rate that the um I'm curious if he's gonna get to the right quality of movies, uh as opposed to The advent of streaming taking over and stuff Well a big part of the conversation, isn't it is to have as much Content available on their platform as possible because if doesn't it feel weird you guys like we have such a different There's so many different levels of quality in this era to say it's all like the same is weird I mean, this is this is certainly this isn't this is part of the conversation I kind of agree with the notion that like there was a big incentive for companies to basically pump stuff out To buff up the the library and now we're seeing the consequences of that because now disney is even pulling stuff that they Essentially pushed through to buff up their library because you know, they didn't do well like willow's getting removed from the service Um, I think netflix has even removed some stuff from their service So yeah, that's definitely and you know, obviously the Warner Brothers just eating a whole bunch of their catalog Just like locking it away forever That's definitely there's like part of the the downsides of this current era of like content You know that content brain sort of focus of studios Sorry, sound like you had something to us Oh, no, I was just kind of wondering because didn't netflix just like Shaft a lot of like animated content because it like it was too expensive to make so they just kind of So they weren't gonna do as much anymore They cut back on a lot of animated animation projects, including I think some that were already like in development like Oh, yeah Getting worked on Because money and we see a ton of landfill Forgettable movies being pumped and dumped onto streaming services again and again since The absolute lack of self-awareness this whole video is about how it's fucking wrong to be so blatantly brazenly negative Then he just shows these four movies. Fuck them. Fuck those four Yeah Absolutely amazing that we just did that with no no awareness at all. Yeah It always happens Because if anyone was ever confused. No, I'm not defending any of these. I've seen red notice. Unfortunately. I've seen this movie I watched it with rags I've seen the gray man. Yeah, I don't think these movies are good But like that it's so funny just to see him shit all over because these don't even count as films Okay, so it's fine. Oh For a second there. I thought that was the dawn See it says a russo's brother's film, but that's a lie. This is content Uh, so that's a much offensive film that netflix has made as well So that wasn't meant to be something that got dumped on the platform. That was meant to be a big deal Oh, and it's totally a film. Yeah This is the other side of the coin problem too If someone's like school says he'll all him would just say like see the gray man's fucking content movie I'd be like, okay, but like it would have been like when I watch it in you know on my tv or whatever I know for a fact that i'm probably gonna have enjoyed it more in a theater Um, and it came out in theaters And like so what are we like, you know the advent of streaming doesn't mean the gray man is now like Do you understand what i'm saying? Like it's so all over the place Because content transformers revenge over the fallen is a content movie It was something that I wanted to make but the first film made a lot of money And there's a lot of films like that that just get pushed out there to make money because they can In fact, all the transformers sequels like the first one, you know, you could I mean it is content Arguably right like adapting a big popular merchandise franchise But like, you know, there was something there for the other ones like god damn like it's not new The studio has to make something basically just for money like with no real creative like Goals or intention on shitty as you mentioned. Yeah shitty content movies. We've been around forever. Uh I think the straight to dvd was like the way that you would categorize it, right? Wow. Yeah, like all of the disney animated film sequels, right? It's like, oh, that's uh, that's a real uh I think red. Let me talk about it with best of the worst the amount of Videos that they have from people who are copycats or just trying to bank on particular trends and stuff Yeah, it's been around for ages exploitation films. So that's literally a thing So I liked I liked the lion king Things that the one that went straight to Films Yeah, that was a pretty good one. Yeah, that's right. Simba's pride Yep, I know it well No So with that in mind, it's like, yeah streaming didn't make these happen These were going to be happening in other formats all the time. They always have been So could it just be that these are really shit movies? And that we've had a lot of shit movies lately and that it's okay to Criticize shit movies just like you just did Pretty abrasively too. Like I said, there's no arguments here. He's just like no, they're just shit The film forgettable movies being pumped and dumped onto streaming services again and again Since economics and art are forced to intersect at all times despite having wildly disparate goals It follows that as the supply of movies increases The demand for them starts to decrease and when we live in a world where we're so No It's not that the demand just because there's more That doesn't mean I want them less that's kind of funny, right? It means I can consume less of a percentage of them the more that there are To say that the more movies there are the less demand there is for them It would be like well, but that doesn't account for like look at look at maverick Like there's been loads of movies. How come that movie did so well that we have loads of movies It's like well the problem is like trying to apply supply and demand It's like oh well movies are the supply. It's like yeah, but like they're different though, you know Like there's so many subsections. They're not like the same product It's it's uh, it's it's not it doesn't really map on very well. There are no like units of film exactly exactly We're talking different to like units of you know, like an iphone or something or uh, or like a playstation 5 Multiple markets crossing over in all kinds of different ways all kinds of interests the idea that Different countries, you know, yeah, we released Queer Eye for the straight guy the good place the good wife new girl And so therefore we don't really need to put out a new star wars. It's like what? Yeah, you know like well, they're all movies like oh god. Yeah What is happening? Well like sorry those are tv shows It doesn't it's so it's so fucking weird to look at it this way. It's so much more complicated than that With so much content it becomes hard not to see it all as meaningless and it becomes very difficult I'm sorry When did we get to a point? I don't understand It's always been this way. There's always been shit tons of stories to consume. I don't understand That it makes it meaningful. What do you say? I don't want to be annoying. Are you okay, dude? Yeah, man I'm like, I'm definitely sorry for you that you feel this way like that must be really Like depressing nihilism is coming. I mean the the logic you gave us was this just so many and it's like there's always been loads They will never watch all of them on best of the worst There has always been more books films tv shows music video games than you will ever be able to Play listen to in your entire life the first thought I always have when I go to the library and look at a bookshelf Is man, there's just so many books Meaning You know I give up What's the thing man they've released Release so many like harry potter books. There's no need for another game of thrones song of ice and fire book That's how that works, right? Yeah Every book written in one book has less that needs to be written The vibe I get get from him is that he's doing everything to avoid the Avoid answering the question if movies are actually getting worse or not So far he has done everything to not Say that I think this is possibly the worst point he's made in the whole thing like there's so many movies It's just it's just meaningless or it can be meaningless like what? I'm just waiting for him to explain why film criticism shouldn't be negative But yeah, this feels like a tangent of a tangent which we're very familiar with I can get the feeling we're not going to find out Hey, I have some faith you still got some time left What is the secret to mario's job? Tell us you coward Content it becomes hard not to see it all as meaningless and it becomes very difficult Not to posture ourselves Above all of it a lot of times the controversy It feels like such a leap that like it comes hard not to posture our like we're better Remember you mentioned this earlier in the video that like when you're being negative about something It's like you don't want to see yourself above it You are so, you know, you're like this thing that happened in the movie was dumb It's like ah, so you're better than it. Are you like wow? I'm better than belba. How dare you? Yeah, so that's weird, but also a little platoon and neuterotic They're not oh, I thought you say that like they just arrived. They did arrive. Look, they're right there on screen Are you here? Like oh little platoon neuterotic Like you just open the door and you raised your hand like That is literally what I looked at the screen properly and I was like, oh my I've been faced with such wonderful Go check those videos out. Uh, they're I'm sure they're all wonderful even book furnaces book The real reason people hate the rings of power. Hey watching as a writer. Hey, how about that? All right, what does he got to say about these videos and how they evil? Hey Also, he said in the corner it says this is obviously not an endorsement of these videos, which is kind of funny not to posture ourselves Above all a lot of times the controversy and discourse surrounding a film or show is Oh movie scenic was there too. Well more entertaining and interesting than the show or film itself You know what rings of power sucks balls. Yeah all the discussion about rings of power was way more interesting than I will easily watch random film talk talk about rings of power way more than I will ever actually sit down And watch rings of power that show sucks balls Yeah, I mean a lot of people Are into hate watching. I'm just into like Watching other youtubers criticizing. I might hate I don't like A lot of people do that now Well, it's become a full-on thing. They they enjoy the tv show of people reviewing movies and tv shows That is their tv show. I think yeah, it's valid because it's more fun much more fun and more creative and just Overall better You are not more entertaining than the criticism of your own thing then I mean yeah instead of Like resort to a like a oh no, that's like no no no no no think of it positively. It's an art form It's really entertaining It's another avenue for people to entertain each other and for for creation to happen like stop dooming. It's annoying It's old terrible. It's like what we take away from this is wow rings of power with shit. They should get better writers There we go moving on But really in regards to commodification and oversaturation is netflix really any different to the vhs boom There you go. So what was all that shit you said earlier? Of the 90s like do you see how many terrible videotapes? That red letter media still has yet to watch in their office. We've been doing the pump and With home video releases. Why are you so negative dude? You're assuming they're bad. You haven't even seen them. Wow The dark is probably really good. It's at probably has a lot of real good thematic He's heavily contributing to the culture of negativity with his negativity I mean he did say like he is a hypocrite, right? Like everybody Which makes it okay as long as you You know he's no being self aware about it. It doesn't count I'm a hypocrite and you're dead. It's done maya culpa. You finished carry on You know we're all sitting here like if he was gonna go this route. He might as well title the video differently The more the video goes on the more that tattoo seems like a cope like I have good taste in film. Look Oh my god, you might actually be right. I don't know but that's like a legit possibility Would I do this if I didn't have good taste in film? I don't think a film could be good enough to where I'd make a Tattoo of it of that kind in size. Not that kind in large Yeah, like if it was maybe like a subtle symbol somewhere Somewhere hidden away that only maybe my lovers would find it and okay. It's just all right. And it's fair enough What's that on your butthole is like, oh, it's just a little yeah, it's just a little it's it's it's the ring It's going it's it's my it's my ring of power Yeah Why the witch Because it's really good. It is really good. But like good enough to get an arm tattoo of Yeah Don't you want don't you want to get a tattoo of the witch? I like I I got a tattoo of the witch on my forehead And it's at the end. Well, I guess I can't I'm not going to spoil it, but But like I had the entire script. It's way better than this video I had the entire script tattooed on my body because I was a big fan I had the entire script tattooed on my cock. It is that big. I can't fit that many words on it Impressive It's very impressive for a while I guess you could argue that the difference is that physical releases were more profitable than Streaming at least as far as we're aware. It's more profitable It was considered like a secondary box office market Well that that caveat for film industries not artists Like I'm not sure what people who make a movie are the artists and if they make if the film studio gets more money from it Then the artists are probably going to get more money from it too Hmm. It's not always how it works. I'm not quite sure of Did anyone's far how we got here? We were like, you know, the proliferation of content through streaming Almost makes it feel meaningless. However, we have gotten to the point where, you know, that was the case with VHS is However, that was like a secondary market in which they could make money Like what does that have to do with the meaningless part? What does this have to do with film criticism should not be negative? This is hard to follow Yeah, I feel like you guys can't help me out. All right I shall continue to wallow in the abyss The difference is that physical releases were more profitable than streaming at least as far as we're aware It's more profitable. It was considered like a secondary box office market And so since the home video market is essentially completely relegated to streaming now, there aren't really a lot of people buying physical media then We have been seeing a paradigm shift in terms of what films Studios are willing to make as you may have seen in this viral clip of matt daemon on hot ones The dvd was a huge part of our business of our revenues. Uh, have you guys seen this clip before? I have not seen this video Because i'm i'm gonna probably deliberately butch ricks. I don't know if this is copyrighted like this actual probably Um, but you know, you just repeated that the dvd market could we actually talked about that? Well, it's not out yet But we talked about I know I know you're talking about uh Gary mentioned that what saved austin powers was not it's theatrical release, but it's dvd release It was so popular they were like, holy fuck. Let's make another one and that was a way for movies to win Uh, and that's what matt daemon talks about in this clip But that is dead now There is no like oh it releases on dvd and does really well and therefore blah blah blah because people are just not buying physical as much They're relying on streaming, uh, which by the way don't Like we talk about this a lot don't rely on streaming for your favorite things by the way I mean, there's a reason why I mean deep millions are useful to have yeah that region locking for streaming and stuff like that, you know Stream as for how this plays into the video no idea and technology has just made that uh obsolete Just gonna just be careful. Yeah, that's a good idea There look it's matt daemon look at him go eat matt I think the copyright bot is like is raising the gun and then we pause You could afford to not make all of your money when it played in the theater That's true. Yeah, yeah What's that? Oh my it must have been the wind He said as an arrow sticks out of his neck. I must see what you gotta do is go dancing anime a girl on the screen Well, I could the way I could really sort this out is by muting putting up the cover and then hit play And now we'll be absolutely fine. You guys can enjoy it in its Fullitude the people at home won't I can just keep talking Keep them busy until the clip ends For a second there I thought his pants. I didn't I did his pants were really tight on his leg And it was vaguely kind of like skin tone-y colored and I thought dang this guy's showing some real leg there Damn, I don't need that table and then I was like, oh, it's it's his pants. Okay. All right Like look at him go really does matt know? Is that the reveal that matt doesn't know on the other side? You're doing this big autumn list, okay And uh, yeah, yeah Still still going and gonna be in the clip any second now Doop dee-doop dee-doo. Yep. I mean it. Yeah, it's good. Oh, there we go. Yeah. All right. Excellent Okay Filmmaking has been dominating the box office for so long now that I look at the top 10 highest grossing films of all time And I get really really depressed Yep Because avatar wasn't very good I get depressed looking at the top 10. Yeah Yeah Good ones Um, well, wait, I mean I can't accept a infinity wars got some stuff in there. No way home's got But but those are both like even avengers is good Avengers is good. Avengers is good. Is avengers the best? Wait. Wait. Is avengers the best on that list? um I mean It is I mean, I prefer it to titanic if I had to choose between those two because everything else there i'm looking at it's just like Listen, I haven't seen furious seven. Okay. Thanks That's true a discounting furious seven because I have not seen it And I don't want to be negative and say that it shit without having seen it I think that the avengers is the best movie on that list Top 10, uh, yeah, probably. I mean the so just to clarify right like The primary reason I assume for the cast here for why this list isn't that fun to look at is because we believe them to be mostly badly written films Yeah, the line king is horrific Jurassic worlds terrible But there is something to be said which i'm presuming is actually something that I would probably agree with this guy on If you go back like 20 30 years ago Top 10 like highest grossing films list was comprised of a lot more just standalone Films that weren't meant to be part of some big franchise or like original films Original screenplays like and in any given year you would see more of those But it's like ever since we entered into the 2000s. It was like that gradual shift and then thanks to marvel Like, you know the 2010 saw the complete and utter shift to like the only films that would get up the top were like big franchise films um some of this list Looks like what like seven of them are essentially like sequels or franchise movies So, uh, well, Titanic is original. That's not based on anything. Well, it it's true. That's true. Yeah, it's true No, it's no s I would say every single one of avatars is now a franchise Yeah, but at the time Yeah, I count avatars original line of coke you just took their dance That line of pure depression Negativity And by the way to be clear everybody the lion king that's on that list is the remake not the original Yeah, the original didn't make one Well, the original was the highest grossing animated film for a long time at nate I think it made like 900 million dollars which back in 1994 like Lion King was tremendously successful I think it was one of the highest grossing films of all time like when it came out like in the top 10 I think the lion king is the worst one out of the list Like it's the most depressed End game. I I mean, I think Okay, but I was gonna say false awakens End game, yeah, I like how we're all very activated by several of these The lion king just represents so much in In itself like the fact that it made into this list and it's a remake and it's just Such I like a shot-for-shot remake. It's just so depressing to me. It's so I was on there because the Disney live action remakes make a lot of money Aladdin made a billion dollars Beauty and the Beast I think made over a billion dollars Um, what was our jungle book made a billion dollars I know Maleficent made a shit ton of money that Alice in Wonderland remake made a billion dollars Um, these films are like super fucking successful. I don't pay any attention to them I had no idea they were that good. I mean, you know, the reality is like the line Not the lion king the little mermaid. They're probably I imagine Disney wants that to make a billion dollars That's the expectation that would be my guess Because that's how reliably profitable these films have been until you know covered stuff Derailed things and now it's a little bit more iffy how successful these are Mulan didn't do very well Um Cruella didn't do very well. They apparently did well enough to justify a sequel I don't know how that happened either. It's yeah And then plus there's all the remakes that they pumped on to the streaming service But I don't know how well those have done like Pinocchio or uh Lady and the tramp was one of them, right? I think that was a launch A launch title of sorts for disney plus He even did lady and the tramp like so they've spammed to the point where I forget At this point if you were to think of films like disney animated films It's going to be if you exclude the last 10 15 years It's going to be hard to think of one that hasn't been uh adapted or isn't pending because of course, you know, you've got like, um That the snow white is happening Uh little stitch Um, I think that other ones have been announced Yeah, Moana just got announced. So if there's that too, yeah frozen is a matter That's only a matter of time until they they do frozen Yep Also, is he about to just casually shield all these though? Yes, just a negativity is bad But this But this is also due in part to cognitive bias recency effect aka You're going to remember what happened five seconds ago Well more clearly than you are going to remember what happened five years ago They gave a name to that it was not necessary It just seems like normal to me that you like remember things that happened recently bull I don't know. It just seems like normal recency effect. Sure. Why not? We're asking ourselves if movies are truly getting worse and we're looking back Oh, so he's gonna the point will be then that they've always been bad. We just remember recent wouldn't that go both ways We would remember the good more than before Do you know what I mean? Uh, I guess it's just a feeling to nostalgia, right? You discard and don't think about all the stuff that you didn't like compared to the stuff But that seems like a different thing than recency Yeah, I was gonna say that would be because if the if the meme is We remember the bad things recently, but we don't really remember the bad things Before and a while ago and surely that should apply to positive too. We remember the positives much clearer than we remember them back And it's like, well, no, he's gonna have to argue the opposite of that Well, I mean, especially when we talk about the negativity bias Why do we remember old stuff positively but the negativity bias, you know, like how do we square that one away? Well, then and I just I don't want to submit to his crazy assessment. I I feel like we try to remember the good and bad of the past and the present I mean, I remember again, I remember how bad transformers too is and that I remember plenty of shit films that came out Across the ages. I know that's a thing However, there's gonna be a time where the density of bad is gonna be dominating the most and I feel like Uh, particularly we're there You know in the in the era of 20 Maybe 2018 to 20 Well, just say to present it's been weird, man. We've had a shit ton. Not just bad films but films that annihilate ip's And uh, you know, I'm given to people that hate the source material and the audience was like a strange thing for them to keep doing It's not that it never happened before. It's just that uh, man It's been happening a lot recently because you know terminator genesis was what 20 was that? Oh Jesus Christ, and then yeah, you know And people would often say like x-men 3 was like awful But I think if they watched it again today, they'd be like that wasn't that bad compared to stuff we're getting right now I mean, it's it's bad, but it's not. Yeah, like it's not as catastrophic the bad of that's that's the video I would make photos him feels like bad has changed the scale of bad has gotten different Mm-hmm. Oh look we got some we got some on Oh, the whole rat is celebrating him and then some guys says you're all is bad Oh, he looks like he's gonna cry the rats sad too They can sense the emotions of the people around them When you're happy, you're happy. Yeah, I like it too. Oh, it's cute I think he did a great job and I can't wait for the sequel Oh, no, no, it'll franchise it and ruin it Yeah, I think it speaks for itself so I really like it. I really like it. All it needs is like an extra frame to be like you'll your negativity bias is ruining I Think you have negativity bias very very toxic to artistic creativity All of these movies of the past with reverence and looking at all of the current films with disdain and Fucking why Oh, let's see. What do we guys I can't believe the black atoms the best one black atoms the best I was just about to say black atom is the best movie on this on this assembly We don't need to have seen dominion. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna gamble and say that black atom is better than dominion You know, I know because I've not heard a single person say dominion is good. Never. That's true here No All I've heard is horribly negative things black atom on the other hand Many people are good things in there. Yeah, there are some good things in there It has the most annoying kid actor in history, but it is Dr. Fake Looking back and saying, oh, maybe I judged the rise of skywalker too harshly. I was I had a negative Yeah No, yeah, I just don't buy it. It wasn't that bad Rise of skywalker Multiverse of madness dominion like these are the part of all this era and I can't wait for us to get out of it With it's like, wow, how did that get made? How did that cost hundreds of millions? And you're like, yeah, I know Someone was paying a lot of monuments to hatred of the craft of writing. Yeah, like why do you hate art? Stop In anger We're forgetting about so many things from the past. We are looking I know the bad films existed before That's not revolution. I'll do you one better. I haven't even learned about some things from the past To forget them. Yeah, so when it yeah, take that your pipe and smoke it to the bank Please tell me to the bank Listen, CJ, you're about to find out there are bad movies that existed before 2010. All right. Yeah, sorry to tell you man Here we go Some of us elderly folks ruining my nostalgia Which is funny again because if you're like, hey, dude, maybe you shouldn't be saying these movies are bad You're adding to the negativity culture stop The highlight reel Not the entire picture you look back at the highest grossing films of years past And there's just so many of them that we forget about completely and I'm not even saying that any of the films I'm about to list are definitively bad, but You but okay, we covered our tracks. What does definitively bad mean? Like Are we allowed? Are we allowed now to call things definitively bad? And it's something is definitively bad. Should you say anything about it? Just casually throwing that out they do this all the time I really don't hear people going around saying things like Man movies used to be so much better back in the day. I'm talking airport 1977 why do you think they label the films they remember and are great because those ones are the ones they remember and are great There's probably why We have had a lot of time. We've had many decades To filter out a lot of the stankers in terms of music and movies and things of that nature Which is why a lot of people don't remember a lot of bad stuff and um So there is a little bit of the the fact that we're living in you know the current era and movies are coming out And we saw we generally see most of the releases that come out or no Iraq tell me list me all the bad movies that came out in 2022 go Oh Good, I you know I I think it is against the spirit of this video for me. That doesn't make sense You're supposed to remember all the recent ones. So I it's not about remembering. It's about keeping within the spirit And yet you consider it to be a weaker time of film even though you can't remember all of the great It's so funny to me because like what he's highlighting are going to be movies. Yes That are in the top seven of all the year or whatever and it's like they're not getting mentioned There are fucking films that i'm not going to mention from a year ago that were in the box office top 10 And once I haven't even seen once I don't even know if they're any good or not Wait, yeah, it's it's fucking annoying because it's like why are you guys bringing up Raiders of the Lost Ark? It's like probably because we've got a new fucking Indiana Jones on the way that looks awful It's like, okay. Why are you bringing up aliens? Like, I don't know because the newest version by the same fucking guy was horrible Why don't I like how timid one and two they were good? It's like, I don't know because all the new ones are horrible Look at more than happy to talk about Morbius and moonfall, but Yeah, it's almost as if it's in a suit in suits like puppeting these franchises directly invites negative comparison with the past Well, and he's like, why aren't you saying yes? Uh, Dila Desi looks bad, but you know what was bad that movie that came out in 19? Whenever that was bad. It's like so really nothing really has changed. It's like what? Who's like he's implying that that's like the normal way to talk about this the biased way to talk about it Is to say like our film is heading into a bad place even though he's already acknowledged like almost every Corner of like critical thinking has decided that this is a bad era for film It's gotta mean something what of the metric can we go by other than there's loads of bad films and the people who make films say film is in trouble And the people who review films are saying film is in trouble If there are any movie Historians out there who are aware of what movie critics from The 60s 70s 80s or whatever might have said if there maybe some people out, you know from back then said the same thing But I don't I don't know of that being said and of course. I wasn't around back then Well, that would make a Really interesting video if you could like get quotes and analysis that is almost very reflective of what's being said today But about like the 80s or something I'm not saying it's not people, you know, it probably does exist. It would be interesting to look at We kind of got this a little bit when a lot of the people who were who who are coping about The Last Jedi said That oh If the empire was back was released today people would hate it back then it was like all people, you know good because Because that's just what they're trying to believe Yeah, it's when you ask anybody who lived during that time and they're like what do you mean empire was hype as fuck It's regarded as the best Star Wars film to this day And it probably made a lot of money and it made people extremely excited for the sequel and what was to come Or as TLJ left us sat and depressed It deconstructed my my enjoyment of the series It deconstructed my enjoyment of film A big enjoyment or like excitement for the rise of skywalker. I could see is people just going I don't even know what the fuck they're gonna curiosity. Yeah, I was morbidly curious. What the hell are they gonna do? Yeah, that's the position I was in what can they actually do because it seems like every plot thread has just been shot in the head Do you remember that? um tweet it went viral both People agreeing with it and viral people making fun of it. I think I should at least with fringy, but it was something like The 2010s doesn't have culture. It's just cultureless. It's just a mess or whatever. It's like Like like as though we'll hit in 2050 and we'll be like, yeah 80s 90s 2000 or 2010s 2020s there was nothing there and then back to having culture again in 2030s or it was just like well It's a it's a weird time, right? You know 2010 to 2020 But it's I think that as time goes on it'll be captured in the form of like individual, you know Fucking fashions or ideals and stuff. It seems that that's happens, you know, no matter what it always happens but um that's supposed to be an argument that's indicative of how art has gotten strange and and uh damaged And stuff and it's like, I don't know What's to talk about? I'm not going that far. I'm just saying films are really badly written as of late. That's all There does seem to be a very I think it's kind of the um, like the foundational issue people don't seem to care about writing anymore You hear about what goes on behind the scenes for things like multiversive madness and that's the only conclusion You can really draw is there's just no respect. Yeah writing at that point. It's not even that the writers are bad It's that the craft has no respect at all. It's considered like something that just doesn't really matter Like ultimately when it comes to making a film the script really isn't important. It's like, oh Okay And I just don't think that that was a cultural uh issue back in the day There were scripts that would sell movies. That used to be a thing But just doesn't feel like in the in the hyper high budget films that scripts even matter It's the it's like an event is organized and then the script will come in, you know It's that famous little quote from michael waldrin that he was panicking during the filming of the second act because he hadn't He hadn't had anything for act three. He didn't know what was gonna happen They're filming the second act How does that happen I'm talking flash dance the best little whorehouse in texas. Fuck in Bit Reynolds isn't it? You also flash dance a few people mentioned I've heard of flash dance. I haven't heard of airport 1975. I've heard of airport An airplane shampoo an airbud conversation surrounding the filmmaking landscape of today versus the filmmaking landscape of 50 years ago is so deeply entrenched in our cognitive distortions and biases that it always is There's never a time where we all have perfect clarity of what everything's happening in industries Allow me to Show you what memory is and how it works. I don't even like we we have a uniquely unique more clarity these days than most because of the information can be found in terms of The past how it ran and the currently in present the fact that I never even understand why disney released those behind the scenes Things for a marvel movies. They're always incredibly embarrassing They talk pridefully about how they skip and cut corners all the time Or luckily stumble into having things just happen. They're just like fuck it. Whatever that works And I guess I'm filmmaking great and you're like Yeah So, yeah, I don't know like I just don't the idea that it's like oh, we've got a lot of biases right now in terms of our analysis Like yeah, we always do There's also a lot more voices than there's ever been in terms of what's recorded and put out there into the world The landscape of 50 years ago is so deeply entrenched in our cognitive distortions and biases that It is damn near impossible at this point to have any semblance of an objective conversation about it Some of my favorite films. I don't even know what to do with that. I don't yeah, I was I didn't think I would say that I started to think but I was like I don't even know what to really do with that It would take more effort than it maybe deserves to try and The first thing is like what does he mean by it? It's like I'm never gonna find that out I haven't found out what the title is yet. I don't know if he knows if you asked him what he meant Ever period have released within the last 10 years and yet my own cognitive biases like negativity bias or recency effect or just my general disdain for The oversaturation of big budget franchise filmmaking has been thinking about things like Jurassic world dominion Or the rise of skywalk. So he has 10 movies popular and very highly advertised all the time Yeah, well, he's talking about how like there are several movies. There is favorite of all time They've come out in the last 10 years and yet he's thinking about rise of skywalker and Jurassic world dominion It's like so what's wrong? It seems like a personal skill. Absolutely. It's a skill issue That's a skill issue I don't think about these films ever dude. I'm done thinking about rise of skywalker until I need to talk about rise of skywalker Like it's It was fun, you know, we we had a good time talking about how shit it was. We all did the internet We had a field day with it. It was fun But uh, because you know, he's gonna be poking at the Fucking algorithm monster. He's like you're the reason I keep thinking about these the algorithm monster like holds up a mirror A big reveal at the end of the episode as we stare into the algorithm the algorithm It's the same as the conclusion to the south buck episode. Hey, it turns out the algorithm is us because you know The economy is exactly It's that's the walmart, you know Yeah, that's right. You know, it's what we made it The people, you know, except the thing was even though walmart the heart was a mirror It was literally the mirror. So if you destroy it the walmart dies and then poops itself It poops itself That's somewhat of a highlight as well. He's been awfully negative about negativity Booming and glooming for like 20 minutes. He's been laying it on hard I'm just waiting for him to come up with a alternative to you almost want to see the video. I'm waiting to hear why we shouldn't be negative You'll see if it's really effective in making a video You have this like use car sales would type character being like a negativity fucking great I love the fact that we can just run in there be honest and look at a thing and be like, you know, what There's no amount of like, oh, I don't want to hit your feelings It'll prevent me from letting you know that you fucked up right there And that you know what we could learn from it We could grow and eventually we can build up to creating something great Like a video that's all about this subject, but just strictly positive This is fun and good. All good men trying to sell you one negative. Yeah Because this is it's just depressing this video The moment he mentioned movies in a positive context right now He straight off cut it off just to Again mentioned movies negatively again He just put up like his favorite movies for two seconds And went back to talking about negatively again And uh, if we look at that that Okay, so Blade Runner 2049, I mean, there's talked about quite a bit lighthouse was talked about by a lot of people Uh, it's the whole reason I found out existed a monster. Yeah um Nocturnal animals under the silver lake and swiss army man Definitely sank under being discussed. I've heard of them, but uh not talked about that much and then here I don't see really anybody talking about it, but I thought it was an awesome and one people do talk about it It's overwhelmingly positive. Yeah, so What what are we highlighting is the issue? It's he's saying that like how could all of these films exist in this era and yet my mind is focused on the negative And I just be like, oh well, so ignoring all the stuff we've already said about The issue, uh, it's really weird to highlight like look at these Thousands of movies that have come out. I liked six of them and yet I overall feel that there's a negative Like, you know, this it's bad movie era. It's like well. Yeah, if there's a thousand bad movies in one good one It's bad. It's very bad, especially if they're all the highest budget ones you're looking at When we go to a hundred million plus The quality fucking tanks why We that's that's a problem we need to solve. We just stopped doing that. That's really bad You know, it's not uh happening every time there are plenty of good movies that come out that have high budgets But uh, it feels like the ratio has gotten really bad lately Just because very very hot just because you enjoyed fucking the lighthouse does not mean the the era is Doing just fine or the same as it always has been In the last 10 years and yet my own cognitive biases like Negativity also, yes, why isn't the witch there? I'm pretty sure that came out in the last 10 years, right? Oh, yeah, where is that? Bias or recency effect or just my general disdain for the oversaturation of big budget franchise filmmaking Has me thinking about things like Jurassic world dominion or the rise of skywalker and and then I just sit there and I go Maybe we should just be done making movies now. Maybe it should all should Geez Okay, now you can see why he made the video he's been consumed It's funny to me because he decided that rise of skywalker and They're just so bad. He's almost lost faith in filmmaking It's like why can't the guy over there say that in his video Then that guy say that and then many of them say it and that we could all just recognize like Yeah, rise of skywalker was shit instead of being like wow you guys are all being rather negative Bit old To just be over. I really really try to keep in mind. Is that loss of us. What is less of us? It's the credit. It's the music for the credits That things aren't always changing for the worse. Sometimes they are simply changing And yet again, when I look at films like rise of skywalker or Jurassic world dominion It is so hard to not feel personally insulted like these movies It's okay. I feel personally insulted I'm feeling yeah, you know what? Maybe he's all to something those movies are kind of personally insulted. This is funny at this point Films, I don't know if they make you feel this horrible. I have to wonder about your attachment to them I don't know like still You're gonna be fine. Like you'll be okay No, you can try walkers are really funny film He's think that I am stupid and they are laughing all the way to the bank with my money It is so hard. They don't have to be you don't have to buy them You you can go man If you would just listen to a negative review you could have saved money Yeah Don't fucking watch them like To all of us is like, oh you could just you just not watch them Oh, yeah, there's plenty of negative reviews that it would have warned you my friend What you could do is you could use your platform as a youtuber to try and counteract the negativity by creating positive Things Just like how we'll be doing this in the film criticism should not be negative video. I don't get it. Does he know? Not to just rip them to shreds to just lay into them in these hour-long video essays that I could possibly make That would provide all this catharsis not just for me But probably for an audience of people I'm waiting for the negative part because we're finally here He's going to explain to us why this is a bad thing. Do it. Yes. Tell me why film criticism should not be negative please That would be more than willing to watch that you know more than willing to support that And it would make me feel really good making it and it would make everyone feel good watching it And it would feel good to see all those people watching it man. He's really making a good case for me Literally everyone benefits. I would get paid for it people be happy However, here's where it all becomes shit But that's kind of my entire point here the goal of criticism should not be to destroy films film Some of them deserve it The goal of criticism should not be to destroy films We are single-handedly destroying cinema you guys I mean, yeah He's doing it the positive music is up. He's a path to be positive Did you notice like it's kind of sneaky he went from tongue-in-cheek to taking it literally I thought he was like, you know when someone says like i'm fucking rip this film to shreds like oh You know a lot of people will be hurt if you do that I'm gonna be like what do you mean? It's like if you rip it up and tear it into pieces The film meaning everything that was involved. He's like, what are you doing? No, I'm just gonna rant about what I didn't like Is that okay? I said at the beginning. This is all just my feeling of feelings and opinion And it's just what I think and it doesn't mean anything. I guess Like I'm picturing is like if he was like a family member and he's like, you know You come home from watching some of these films and you sound very abusive You're like, I will rip into this. I will destroy it Perhaps film should be treated Much kinder and not so aggressively Like oh dude, it's I didn't mean to upset you. I'm just I'm using words that kind of imply a sense of uh an emotional state I'm not actually going to start punching the screen and stuff. I'm okay. I'll be fine and you will be too So we should not be negative about film To protect people like jj abrams. I don't know but hurt It's not gonna be an authority on criticism Criticism can be whatever the critic wants it to be. There is no explicit That was actually where I was gonna go next Who decides what the goal of criticism is and who who's who's the moral arbiter on that one? Why hasn't been decided that the goal is often to destroy films, you know Because he's been spent too long staring at Jurassic world dominion and he's decided the world sucks How could a world create the rise of Skywalker and be moral It's not possible It's the problem of evil. He looks at the Jurassic world dominion and he starts to lose his faith in a higher power I think that this be Part of what I'm fascinated by as well is that if if you just had someone who's like I I want uh Disney star wars as an ip to stop and to do that I need to be critical of it and to do that effectively I need to rip it to shreds. I hope it's destroyed if he said like Well, that's not what criticism should be you'd be like, okay, why and make a compelling argument, please I'm I'm man. I'm still waiting to hear why it shouldn't be negative. I mean it's the title of the video and he's had half an hour Criticism should not be negative not to say that you shouldn't have negative critiques of a film. Oh, okay, cool. I'm fine Not to say that you shouldn't have what that exception that exception clears all the negative videos. Cool It also nullifies the video yep nullifies the video the video was called film there you go That's the big reveal. It should not Should not be negative except what it is fucking lying Like it's the most insincere of disclaimers like yeah, you can have negative videos as I just shit on them for a good 15 minutes or so of this video and use that as the title to draw people in to watching this video Yeah, like not not explicitly most of the time. I'm not shitting on them, but Implicitly I'm devaluing the work. He says this but there are so many put both positive critiques and reviews on youtube and more balance takes as well and also negative reviews that weren't necessarily made with the intent of Tearing the movie to shreds, but because it's bad and the That is how the reviewer genuinely felt not that they're necessarily relishing in it, but that's what they did just I I feel like Has he only watched like three or four reviews and gone this is what all reviews are That's the thing. I thought possible I feel like we're in a better time than ever for finding the thing you want if you want a positive review of love and thunder Just type it in you'll probably find it someone out there said it was good Yeah, and that's more now than ever because there's just more people doing more of it. That's how it is Yeah, and if you're like, yeah, but that that video and you got seven views like okay Seven people agree with me People doing it does mean there's going to be more people doing it wrong or like doing it poorly, but that's just how it goes That's fine They're entitled to say whatever they want because you know then someone else can tell them that they're wrong and that's also fine also All that shit you said about tabloid journalism and stuff to then have a video called film criticism should not be negative Now that's not to say you can't be negative it means It's like how the fuck you qualify in this shit now This is just a lie The world is adding you up at the page. It's like it's not ending World's actually totally fine Coming to an end theoretically film criticism should not be negative and not to say that you shouldn't have negative critiques of the film But that then what are these sentences? consecutive these consecutive Maybe the video should have started here This is the real starting place. You shouldn't have negative critiques of a film But that film criticism should not be this negative force that seeks to destroy movies to the cheering of millions What on earth looks different now? This is this is insulting. I agree. It is insulting and you are a liar So it's the popularity of it. Like if I release this scathing rippy a party video It's okay, but as soon as a million people are cheering me on and saying yeah rip it apart I was like oh now we have a problem We just run for that sentence film criticism should not be negative not to say that you can't do negative criticism of a film But you shouldn't do negative criticism with the goal of destroying like art You know murder shouldn't be allowed not to say you can't kill people unjustified, but I don't yeah I don't really get what he's after because even if he was to go in strictly with motive We're never gonna know definitively if someone makes a video and says I strictly did this because I just hate art I remember the big a big portion of him actually delving into motive was the motive of the algorithm Not like the motive to destroy art. Remember that was a huge portion of the film Not the film Huge portion of this video. I do that all the time doesn't seem to be factoring into his Conclusive statement in any way shape or form. Why isn't it feel it's not The problem is I can't find a way to work it to where you say film criticism shouldn't be negative But you can be negative about films It's like a fundamentally incongruent like statement I think this opinion comes from a person who Like literally just does not enjoy Does not understand how to take joy in Making video essays and he's like projecting onto all of us Like it's become a job that he hates or something. Yeah, he can't understand how we can like make this content Without like sheer will and motivation to destroy something like Like we can't enjoy our craft actually Which we do most of us do but obviously he does not and it seems like he's projecting really Yeah, I would actually ask you like did you hate making that dharma video? Did you really not enjoy it? And you only did it because you had to get that out there as a thing But you just hated the process of it is like if you really enjoyed making it And you felt like you said something that wasn't quite out there and it did well Is that okay? Are you okay? Is everything that sounds It's like that thing earlier where he was like you're happy the people who watched it are happy You managed to make a career out of it So let me tell you why this is awful. You're like, oh I feel like it was okay Someone said like maybe his point is the as a whole it shouldn't be negative. It's like it's not and it never will be Um, and if and if it's referring to any, you know specific individual video I mean if it ends up being wholly negative because that's the main focus of the critique, you know Yeah, no, that's that's totally fine, too The thing is in a theoretical world where every single reviewer was negative about every movie ever I feel like something's changed like we're not even human anymore. Absolutely Exactly that just seems like a bizarre world that doesn't exist And uh, if he was like, yeah, but we're close enough to her be like, no we're not We still have to talk regularly about how the things get over praised and Toxic positivity is totally a thing that people don't like to address But yeah, sorry man. We're we're certainly in the era of negativity and positivity being everywhere You just gotta go click for it. Then you feel like yeah, but the algorithm it skews negatives like, oh no Oh nine Again, the algorithm skewing negative has nothing to do with his statement that you shouldn't be negative to destroy Films, what does that have to do with the algorithm or like negativity bias? Also, there's no and and how that drives the kind of content that's been created on the platform As jay just said there's so much to be said for learning by watching the deconstruction of a bad example Yeah, and and just this I hate this idea that we just know the mind of a creator is strictly negative if they're being critical It's just like what was that? I don't like that. I yeah, it's a shame being negative is Or at least being critical. It's super fun Especially if you're covering something that is like hilariously bad Or if you find a lot of satisfaction and looking deep into something that's been created Well, like imagine There's like a fight scene where the hero is in a tough spot because a bad guy's got a knife Do their back and then the editor edits the knife out. That's hilarious. I wouldn't do that. It's too obvious Well, no, not in like a big budget thing. Maybe in like a like a like an indie movie Yeah, like a one million dollar thing or not like a or if it's maybe their first movie that they've made It's not like hundreds of millions of dollars into well-known ip this nothing like that I don't like a coffee cup appearing in like a medieval setting Yeah, a water bottle. Yeah, I mean just fucking funny any cup that has coffee in it is a coffee cup Everyone lost right to me everyone points it out They airbrush it out in future streamable visions of that episode and life goes on and he sits there crying saying we've ruined everything How could you? What he should have done is wouldn't have been hilarious if game of thrones did like a partnership with star butt or something after that they totally owned it and they're like, yeah, we fucked up and the You know, it was like a ha ha laugh about it kind of thing and uh Or in every season or in every episode and they secretly left it hidden in the background somewhere A starbucks coffee cup and it became like an easter egg hunt Then you'd have a reason to watch the eighth season By the way, uh, again even by his own video standards, then it seems like it's not about positive negatives about motive Right Because I could what if I said I'm I'm planning on destroying the film industry and you're like, oh my god Like and I'm exclusively positive because I believe if I keep running everything up to the being the best like all these really bad movies Eventually, I'll convince people that this is good and then I'll crash the industry down by having to make more of those Would he then be like wow Film criticism should not be positive No, he'd never make that video so I Look at some crazy light yaga being like Films are good so that it's bad and then he actually you know destroys the film industry this negative force that seeks to destroy movies to the cheering of millions We all love movies I I like I like I do picture the I love them before this video I can picture eventually the disney castle pieces of it pulling off its old inflames of this huge crowd of millions cheering Yeah To be to be honest, I probably would cheer too if I saw yeah The the tyrant has been overthrown Yeah, like it's like watching the death star explode. Yeah You know what maybe that ain't so bad It's Right like that. That's why we're doing all this That's why we are picking them apart and analyzing them and having all this online discourse about them It's because it's because we love them because we we respect what is going on It's the music in his top video It's funny It's like we're standing on a you know A cliffside with the sun rising above the sea, you know The art form and we want to see it get better and grow and thrive it's it's not just to Feel better about ourselves to feel intellectually secure about who that's you maybe If that was his problem that should be the problem not film criticism being negative I guess I just find it it's like, you know, it shouldn't be about you know inflating your own ego Or just for the sake of destroying art Down that's like that's not that's a different video We yeah, because that really has nothing that's that could be applied to positivity as well Right if you're inflating your ego or the catharsis of you know Building something up that you put a lot of stock in that you know, maybe isn't so good, right? Yeah, it's divorced from whether it's positive or negative Yes, that's in the big segment for me on this It's like the cross of changes by enigma like you finally reached the end of lsd Yes, they were at the end. It's all blending together. We did we're here Like we do want movies to get better, right? We all want to reach that state of utopian bliss where movies are so good Um, fine. I'll take the maybe the unpopular opinion here that we do I think Enjoy it when there are bad movies getting released anyway as well The idea that uh, if we were told you can make a deal with the devil It wouldn't be the devil whoever fucking wizard that uh, all movies will be great It'd be like, okay. That's cool. But I do like seeing a bad movie every once in a while. It can be fun So, um, you know, that's true too. And so it'd be like, I don't I don't I don't think that's a bad thing either That we like watching bad movies. I don't think that's I don't think that's a negative or that's it's toxic in any way It's just kind of like having fun and I mean look at the room, right? It's probably the best example of all time. It's enjoyed people love it as a bad example Ah, damn it, you know The first one anyway, yeah We have no right to complain anymore. We we do want good movies, right? Yes, but we also like having a bad movie every once in a while. Sure Yeah, I really enjoy watching bad movies. There's just something about and that gives me energy But isn't that partly why we complain about the bad ones is because we want the good ones Because like like for example the new star wars movies like we wanted them to be good, right? Yeah, I hope we're gonna and it's It's frustrating that they aren't but it's it's definitely I feel like Autistic and fulfilling for us to talk about it. I think what he's trying to say is the He would say like that that's essentially what he's trying to say, but in reverse He's trying to say that uh Isn't the core goal that we want good movies It's not all about just enjoying ripping apart bad things, right because that that sounds really bad And I guess all I'm saying is just can it can it be both can it be that we also want good movies? But we also enjoy watching bad movies. Is that a problem? Yeah, sure Bad films get ripped apart. There are bad films. I've watched that I fucking hate watching and they're a bad There are good films. I've watched that I don't enjoy watching It's like you get the whole yeah thing tar Yeah, and the bad movies make it so much more rewarding when actually good ones come out You know and you actually see something that you're you know excited about It's very important to understand. I think especially if you consider yourself into movies Oh, I mean this even goes past movies. This is just a general life thing But it's really useful to know why you like the things you like and why you don't like the things you don't like And getting both sides of the quality spectrum allows you to identify that much better And sometimes it takes other people like explaining This is why this thing in the movie is bad and you go oh, I I didn't like that part That's why like I didn't quite I I I didn't like it But I couldn't quite piece together why I didn't like it or what was rubbing me the wrong way about it Don't just want to feel terrible and wallow in our own So this is another big leap. I don't feel miserable when I watch things that are bad that I enjoy watching I thought I thought it was described as you're doing it for catharsis or to feel better about yourself and inflate your ego So how is people feeling miserable? Isn't the problem the opposite that people are doing it to make themselves feel better? I don't think people are that miserable when they watch something that they think is funny bad. That's just not a thing Oh, well, I mean it it varies right some movies that are bad make me miserable You know, well, I baked in comedies are the worst A big thing that is funny bad like it's when you get funny bad and you pursue funny bad like batwoman Oh funny bad is is hilarious. Yeah, honey bad is like Oh, it's wonderful as opposed to you know, like multi-versed man. This is just like pretty painful That's like not what I think he's referring to and I'm not going to say these people don't exist Surely it's you know, everyone's out there, but people who like pursue misery They're like, I like being in fucking sad and angry about everything. It gives me power or something if you're pursuing misery At that point, you know, that's again the conversation of that's a different video Yep Again, it's like it's like I can see what your issues are but it's got nothing to do with being negative when it comes to criticism That feels intuitive to you probably but it's got nothing to do with your actual position Passing time until our inevitable death. I guess I can really only speak for myself And that's what you said you were doing Yeah, you said that at the beginning. Remember, it's just your opinion Was this whole time we were supposed to believe something else like We've been bamboozled All of these like unnecessary caveats getting thrown in just like gets in the way of coherency Oh, yeah I love Films, I love the process of filmmaking. I love film criticism and analysis. I love I almost feel like I wish he was monotonously delivering this because it feels less genuine the way that he's doing the acting of like It does feel less genuine I would prefer the YMS of I love film All of he's trying to sell you something. Yeah All right, I just had to yeah get some all of what did he say film? He roll back just to he loves all of film Yeah, that's actually I didn't even think of that. He's like, what do you mean you love all of film? He didn't say that though, right I thought he just said I love Okay, we'll do it. We don't just want to feel terrible and wallow in our own misery passing time until our inevitable death I guess I can really only speak for myself and I love Films, I love the process of filmmaking Well, no rags kind of one point if you say you love films He's like it's kind of like the title. It's like we might need more qualification Oh All of it. Okay. I had to get up to do something I came back and he said all of it and I'm thinking like and I want to get Yeah, but when he said all of it, he was talking about like the filmmaking process and criticism So he's talking about the tangential aspects of films So not just films themselves, but like how they're made and people talking about them But he has clearly said he does not love many portions of it, right? Well, yeah, sure. But if I say I love video games doesn't mean I love every single video game ever made Well, when you say film criticism should not be negative technically speaking, he hasn't said that it's all Oh, sure, um But I guess I just don't see that as something you would read into it when someone says I love films What I'm saying is it's interpretable. He should probably develop it. Um Just like he's developing film criticism should not be negative into It shouldn't be motivated by destroying art. That's what he means when he says film criticism should not be negative It's not very intuitive, is it? No, that's not intuitive But like if somebody said to me I love like television Like to me intuitively is oh, I like watching tv shows Yeah, but he just said I love films and filmmaking and it's like the I I think that especially after watching this video Especially able to set about the creation of film in relation to streaming services and content and stuff So you clearly hate a lot of what it's become You would would consider it like detrimental and almost um a perversion. At least that's how uh Martin says he can come across with it. So yeah Feels like If you're gonna have all that in the video and then and with like, I just I love me films and filmmaking. It's like Well It's maybe it's time to have a bit more of a nuance Straightforward answer of you know, I don't love all of it, but I don't let that control me I don't let it be my entire personality Um I mean, I see what you're saying, but I guess I just I don't like when somebody says I love films I just presume that that means that they love like films broadly speaking as like a medium of art Not all of them or them, you know, even the majority of them Well, give it another go. Let's see. Let's see what comes across Passing time until our inevitable death. I guess I can really only speak for myself and I love Films, I love the process of filmmaking. I love film criticism and analysis. I see bullshit Then he can't say all of it I mean, I mean, it's uh, like a huge portion of this. I mean like film criticism should not be negative It's like damn man. That's like a that's a lot of what like That's half of it. You know And negative especially if you know a lot of people define criticism like with the negative framing though He used the more neutral. It's totally the the thing. I don't like about this. It's just like We know you don't love all of it and that's okay. I don't love all of it either Well, yeah that part is um because it would be like if I said I love video games except for any that are a third person perspective Well, that's so that's the equivalent, right? If you said to me in a call. I love video games I love the video game making process. I love video game criticism. I like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, go on We've talked forever about how fucked all of it is Let's chill out a little bit. This video is about how fucked it is. It's just strange I love all of it and that is why I am doing this right now. That is why I am deconstructing it I want to see it Reconstructed you haven't answered the title. You haven't done the title You lied. You did the worst. You not only didn't explain it. You lied He feels he's explained it right. He's talking about people who are motivated to destroy art slash want to live in misery Those are the things you shouldn't be Which doesn't really feel like it's a promise upon the title really like Even even a noticeably a note like how many people who make like film criticism want to destroy films I mean that I think most all of them really like the film medium That's very uh, talk about it Very straightforward comparison would just be if the title of the video was you should never ever kill and then he only talks about murder. That's it It's like well There's a lot of Other things that come into the thing you're talking about and you've highlighted them too But you seem to just be okay with it. It's like you've picked How many people's this really apply to and can it provably apply to them? Or are you just assuming are you like oh Well, how can you ever how can you ever definitively know right like somebody's motivation for like cinema sins? Clearly only ever wanted to destroy art and he's a miserable man. It's like I think he just wanted to talk about films. Yeah, I'm sure you just want to have fun That's it and that he likes films. I'm sure And yeah, the people behind it's like when did you deconstruct when did that happen? You didn't deconstruct he didn't he didn't deconstruct film criticism You can't say ira stottle and think your job's done You're gonna have to actually really get in and explore if you were better at I don't know maybe criticizing or something about John Filmsbane. He mentioned him John Filmsbane. That's true. That guy that guy He let me tell you one thing that guy hates movies John Filmsbane. He knew they were coming. He warned Now that is why I am deconstructing it. I want to see it Reconstructed and built upon I I want to see it continue to thrive and improve. I want it all to I mean, does he think people at YMS don't That's the crazy thing. He's literally highlighted the Lion King video from YMS's example of bad. How? That's like one of the best ones He should just be going after the sharpness of the criticism and maybe point to like if you still want the Film criticism should not be negative go after the general like I don't know outrage framing that a lot of these videos If you really feel like it Yeah Faith criticism like go off to people where it's like man. You're not being fed of the film at all Like it just seems like you're fishing for reasons to say shit like that's that's a that's like a good That's that's an agreeable statement right of like if somebody's just being hyper bad faithful like every film that they ever see ever Just to make it look shit. I was like, yeah, that's a shitty way of going about it But just negative broadly in general as like a thing that should be avoided When like that negativity can be derived from like earnest good intentions The negativity often is derived from that and derived from well, it's predicated on some investment Yeah passion a lot for uh films like it's a medium People just said he captain falcon does You got to do better Like he quickly ran away from his point or like like acknowledge. There's a lot of stuff going on here But just went a fuck you just do better Okay, I know this video is just shit Want to see it continue to thrive and improve I want it all to To just get better You should love negative criticism. I want to live in a golden age of films where Future generations can look back on it and with the same amount of I don't I don't really know what and we have to uh, if you want those things then you're gonna have to encourage Good negative criticism. That's helpful. Wait, but he said a golden age of films You implying that if we were much more positive, we'd be in a golden age by like by saying we are Oh, because if we just do that you would have to pills and It's something that he hasn't done in this video He would have to establish some kind of feedback loop of the kind of negative criticism that he doesn't like Leading to worse films like in order to make that claim I know like, um, I think moeller mentioned earlier. Was it um Not falcon the winter soldier, but one of the marvel movies Was written to be like cinema sins proof Right, but aside from those very few examples like people who actually make mainstream films They don't really give a shit What youtube reviewers and youtube video essayists Have to say about their work. They'll just carry on and make stuff anyway In fact, the people make negative reviews of their work. It doesn't stop them I really don't see how it makes a difference in the big picture Yeah, let's imagine a world where everyone who made videos did keep in mind to at least some degree like hey When people, you know on youtube and critics and stuff when they look at this should we construct a story and construct a movie With those, um, you know with those criticisms in mind so that we you know, don't have them in our movie I mean, surely that would make prompt movies would almost certainly be better because of that Especially when it comes to writing and just basic logic and you know character, you know construction and things of that nature I think what's amusing to me too is the I completely agree with cj But the the era we're currently in and i'm talking like last year even Seems to be the most significant the crossover between filmmaking tv show show running And youtubers has ever been which is still tiny by the way And the primest example I can think of Is the showrunner for Picard season three interacting with youtubers and what was Picard season three? It's like well, it's considered a radical change from season one and two for the better That's how it's considered by most people. So it's pretty interesting to think The the most in the most connected to youtube film criticism Show that I can think of that has tried to appease fans Is the one that like actually managed to turn the ship somewhat Yeah, but would they have done that had youtube has not been so critical of seasons one exactly I don't know who knows who's to say but like I don't see the like he's he's like It really comes across as desperation to be in a golden age whether or not we actually are He wants us to just just chill out and be happy with the films that we've got so we can look back and be happy on it too If we did that then we would still have the original sonic design Yeah If there was no negative criticism then we'd have this you you wouldn't have gotten a sonic by the way There wouldn't have been like movies don't stop being bad because people stop making negative videos exactly. They'll get worse. I think absolutely If people don't if people are not kind of like pushed to improve and criticize then they'll keep carrying on thinking Oh, what we're doing is good. We why change which case the goal should be to improve the quality of the feedback So it's not about whether it's positive or negative. It's a matter of accuracy and intention And if there's negative feedback ain't going away, that's a debt that will never change That's the core human nature stuff If consequentialist stuff doesn't Like like convince anybody then I'll just appeal to basic honesty. I want to be honest about the films that I'm reviewing This guy is basically asking us to become positive at the expense of our honesty. So You know, I don't know how justifiable that is This is like brave new world kind of like it's either that or it's just the most frustrating Insinuation of bad intentions on everyone's part against like everyone doing it You know, if you genuinely believed that part of the problem was people pursuing a state of misery that we've got like a Serious psychological issue and some people just like being miserable. It's like man. That's like that goes well beyond film That's something else Like and and maybe that does need addressing in some way to perform I'm sure and then like, you know, the whole destruction of art Angle he said like you shouldn't have that as a motive. It's like that's something to be explored. What does that even mean? Only wants to destroy art. Do they love art at all? Or do they just hate the concept of people feeling things like what I don't understand like You know to brush over those so quickly when I believe from what I've gathered that that is the clearest I can get of his his issue because it's got nothing to do with being negative about stuff It's not it Do for the 70s and the 80s and the 90s And today the divide between critic and audience to heal. I want people to heal No to heal they they got to stop shit and first off they need to stop shitting all over us and destroying our stuff Secondly, they need to come back down to earth and mix in with the humans and realize because some of them say some shit That's fucking bizarre. Yeah I mean, I think that a lot of the Critics he's talking about the negative ones are actually a lot more in touch with their audiences than the people that make films that they're talking about are Since they do a lot of their shit online they get feedback those critics and so they know Grace Randolph is one that just shocked me. Movie Bob's shocked me like they have perspectives that are absolutely batshit insane But you get plenty of people who are normal. They're just like, yeah, I thought the movie was kind of neat It has this this this and this this this it's not quite as good as this blah blah blah, you know seven out of ten whatever Perfectly normal. I doubt he would consider them a problem But I'm sorry. I just can't get over the whole like we need to heal the divide between critics and audience. That's funny This guy started writing an essay skipped over in Introduction then in the middle part. He just rumbled his way through It did feel very instead of conclusion. He inserted gundies or some quote This shit was written the night before if we're using essay analogies, you know Hyped up on coffee pulling an all nighter just to get it done You get a couple of realizations, but they were very half-baked. He wrote them in notes and then sort of when you do it Yeah To well like when you this is why when you're growing up and you have those english or literature classes that talk about But you know when um, you know in in when you were you were growing up And you learned about the scientific method like formah hypothesis and all that sort of stuff That's like a guideline to you know explore the world and to you know find the truth And to see how things really work to kind of weed out your biases Like there's literally there's literary versions of that that you use when scripting You want to have like a general premise and then you want to eventually answer it like we all this is all in school I hope it still is but Like the fact that the title of his video Remained basically unanswered and then lied about Is sort of indicative of you just weren't really thinking about this when you were writing it He just sort of wrote this video would take fucking ages to make if you really wanted to be definitive about film criticism And whether or not like what role it plays in culture. It's like A chunky topic To see that criticism Can be Validating just like when roger ebert helped legitimize martin scorsese roger was the The very first person very early on in my life as a filmmaker To call attention to my work. It was 1968. I think and Over the years he's championed my movies. He wrote and spoke about them with great care and insight and criticism And was always this is the thing right that I think about clearly the point being made here is the Martin Scorsese is one of the best directors of all time and the Criticism slash like an appraisal of his film is is helpful of what brought him up You're like so you're saying good creators being given more exposure is good, correct? You know, yeah, and we're like no, let's flip it Bad creators getting exposure of how bad this shit is that good as well Or is that one bad or is it bad should we not do that? Should we should how do we expect them to improve? If the score says he should rise Should the iwi bowl bowl Oh god, please don't remind me of his existence We watched an iwi bowl movie recently. We did that was something that was something which one was that In the name of the king Has jason statham in it It does it has jason statham and it has it has actually quite a few people it is shaggy and burt reynolds is in it And hell boy has um it has hell boy. Yeah, it has ghibly It does john rise davies is in it. Oh my god How does this man do it? He doesn't do it anymore. He he he doesn't do it and he doesn't do it. He failed to do it He's never been able to do it Is there really for me when I needed support one kind or another like me a roger Care about the history of swatter and it's and and it's preservation He cared about its place in our culture in the culture of the world Thank god score says he is here to offer some insight in this video Yeah It's it's kind of funny because uh the matt daemon portion is really good too But hey, yeah, the matt daemon thing's insightful That it be accorded the respect it deserved really really disgusting spectacle rotten tomatoes in cinema score Aggregate sites my man. They just suck for the most part. Yep. They really do I mean, I think he would have been railing against it and throwing the money changes out of the temple And then when roger ebert said that video games can never be art Really just bad perspective that's one of those that's one of those okay boomer moments such an old man type So wrong there had to be some conveyance of ideas could never be art I'm so cringy isn't it? That's okay Ebert said that video games can never be art There had to be someone to go out there against him and say no playing halo split-screen till 3 a.m. Was an extremely transformative experience for me video games are Art and I am taking them That's not the argument I'd use to say that they're art. He almost is half meming. It's like don't meme video games are fucking not They're beautiful. I love them. Good for them. Yeah video games. You'll get the respect you deserve as time goes on As soon as he's not respecting yourselves A little bit of that. Yeah That is what criticism is all about to me. It's about Legitimizing art forms. It's about reaching. Should we delegitimize any art forms? And do you think that negativity plays a role in delegitimizing art? I wonder if film criticism is negative is it inherently delegitimizing if the answer is no then this title is just like It's just a this is just like an incorrect statement or at least like According to his sort of like normative claims, right? Like why would you make that point? So that would be the question That's just what if my art form is setting fire to things that don't belong to me Like that's that's an expression. You just legitimize that Is that a legitimate art form? Yeah Well, because as well he's I feel like he was about to get self aware He's like the the the critic has put out a point of view An expression of his point of view and someone else has been critical of it Which is important because he's delegitimizing art as sorry video games as art And so they they're countering that with what it would be a negative video. No saying raw jury, but is wrong That is negative And yet it's creating a positive How does this why I feel like the video's just started like we've finally gotten to something Like this is the second this is like second minute material here But we're almost at the end We've got like less than a minute left and we have like really not at all explored this concept Maybe this is part one Now to the audience and reassuring them that yes, this stuff is Meaningful Thank you. It's a positive force that will hopefully help us So weird because like when when I say someone's bad it is meaningful to me Stop with all the sentimental bollocks dude. Come on But the implication is that when we negative it's meaningless. Yeah, that's not true Isn't it like the implication is it's meaningless it is uh, oh fuck now I've forgotten the word I used before What did he say? Oh delegitimizing Yeah, I'm still I'm still kind of stuck on that like What if what if the negative criticism isn't delegitimizing or its intent isn't to delegitimize then is it okay? Yeah, what if I don't know I go out and make a film and then someone who's a close friend or like I don't know student of mine or whatever Writes me a letter of criticisms about the film like very sincerely because they really want to see me succeed But now I mean that's what teachers should do imagine if teachers never offered negative criticism Well, it's just is that something they shouldn't do that they ought not do Yeah, and are they obliged to not be scathing when they do so like Yeah, like the edge of the spear for no reason What if what if they have the attitude of like, I don't know that's that's what they need to do They need to be like super raw and honest about what they thought that they should treat differently just because they know them personally like what if that was our attitude Is like again, is that something they ought not do because that's the tide That's the claim that the title suggests But I mean I feel like the title hasn't even like really addressed this Not the title the video hasn't addressed the central claim that film criticism should not be negative I think it's done a very good job of that at all Well and not to mention this uh idea of So, you know like a legitimizing delegitimizing Can I delegitimize because I I don't want the uh writing a script as we're filming the film to be considered a legitimate form of No, I don't want that to be the way that we do things. Yeah, I I don't like that Is that okay? Can we do it delegitimize that by being critical of it? I hope so Yep Or, you know delegitimize practices in the film industry like working vfx artists to the bone Unlike incredibly tight deadlines to push these films out as quick as possible And then if you were to talk about the negative outcomes of that how it reflects in the work and how it's bad for them Like that would be negative, right? That would be negative film criticism, but again, like if the intentions man, like this is like You probably could have never actually meaningfully addressed this topic in 25 minutes But like even then you could have done a decent job. I mean if you were really on task you could 25 minutes You could say a lot of stuff in the conclusion The big problems with any video come down to if they're lying if they have no passion for the topic If they're solely trying to make money in a sense that they're even that's not really a problem It's really the other things if your goal to make money leads you to being insincere That's the problem like It's that should be the conclusion that he feels and I wonder if you would agree to this I don't know, but if the film criticism community on youtube has become much less sincere It's it's unfortunate how people are not sharing how they actually think and feel about a thing They they instead share what they believe will make them the most money whether or not they believe it Like that's a video I can buy sure Um, I would still argue that that's just a thing for all of humanity at all times and that uh You know, you can you can tell the levels of sincerity with individual creators their accuracy and their passions just gonna be And you'll never stop it. You'll never stop people trying to make money or um People always seek personal success wealth and you know all that good stuff Reach new heights and and maybe just once Help us reach a state of content Rather than I don't want to be content. I don't know. I don't like this world yet I don't like this Something equilibrium. This is like someone selling me drugs. This is the brave new world shit. Don't you want to be content and safe? So when you want it to be that we every day is hit on the youtube and we just show uh, movie has released movie is film I don't feel like it if everyone just said everything was good Not even thumbs up or down just thumb Like thumbs up is implied sideways forever I in a constant state Of contentiousness this music. Oh see Join me in my world of complete content. We've got our family guy's speech. Everything's going back to normal guys You'll never have to think outside of the box. You're safe in Consciousness, you know what that's some word play. That's kind of all right I disagree with the broad statements of the video, but you know, I you know a good job you I actually don't I don't mind that To be honest, I like the idea that you give something for thumbs and people like out of what you're like for thumbs How'd you do that? You just but that's the like in this neutral world of his Nothing is you just I give this thumbs and you're like, oh Sure, this neutral world with the four thumbs that it's like I give four thumbs and he holds his hands up And then he starts screaming his thumbs split in half to turn into Two additional thumbs to give the thumbs up This fractal of thumbs coming out of his hand A fractal what like um like uh, and Dr. Strange with all of the little fingers growing out of his hand You know out of his fingers more fingers and fingers This sounds like a scary place. Oh, is this a scary place? He had a moment there. Oh, he thinks he was like meaningful Oh, I guess not We never found out that was meaningful. He just put a bit up and to be like, hey, come on. It's not We don't have to do deep You can't criticize the town because I'm I have no strong feelings one way or the other That's what it truly feels like he was We got the oversimplification of film criticism there From him as well. I wonder if that's just about wrong tomatoes. I guess Wow It doesn't mean anything I mean it feels suitable to Maybe check that out on top of this one quick. See what he says. Uh, yeah, sure. We can take a look. I'm curious Feels like a good time Let's have a look I'm curious about that star wars one about, uh The empire strikes back isn't really star wars Hold on Is movie good or bad 100 years of arguing between critics and audiences has led us okay to this Cool, we can now all That we are not even But Does that question serve us in the first place? I've had the idea for this video floating around in my head for a while now And I was just kind of debating whether or not it was worth don't need this button All right, that's a really make but between the rock the answer is yes I remember that I do remember that. Yeah, we talked about it. It's yeah, it's the do you finish Films before rating them thing the fantano gives every denzel curry album an eight controversy and this weird Morbius tweet, uh, I feel like this topic is now reached critical Audiences love movies the critics won't want you to see it the question is why trust the people and see Oh, you're uh, you are alive the critics don't want you to see it Oh my god But threats weren't allowed on youtube. Nope or be a sweet, uh I feel like this topic is now reached critical mass and i'm gonna talk about it I feel like the real root cause of all of these things that have been popping up that I just mentioned Is really just a case of human beings Loving to simplify things we love to boil isn't that so interesting in the context of the previous video? Yeah, loving to simplify things like categorizing A lot of the time and it's a simpler way to categorize we like understanding the world around us Who wired to do it into their essence and make them as digestible as possible because We're lazy and thinking is hard ever since that I don't like that as the reason but all right. We'll go with it He's a sh!t. Lungfish surfaced literally everything has just continued to get worse human consciousness Was this the lungfish? He's just got it. He just got out of the water man. We really got a lot to thank him for okay. Yeah He is a he is a real pioneer that one Like all human conceptions of life itself It seems that the ways that we engage with art or criticism are no stranger to societal simplification Let's go back to the rotten tomatoes page for the uncharted movie. All right How 90 percent of people enjoyed that damn really get calculated Well to give you the simple version Basically if a film critic gives a film a six out of ten or higher that is considered a fresh review Why don't like rotten tomatoes? No six six will be constituted as like positive So it needs to be a six to be oh And then if it's like five point nine or lower then it's rated as rotten And this is why meta critic is better than rotten tomatoes, by the way Giving me like the average of the number score is way more useful than just telling me what percentage of people Yeah, this is a very skewed Well, it's just good. What does good mean, you know if you give it like a six out of ten That like it could be that a film gets a hundred percent because everybody gave it a six out of ten And that's like I think people will look at that 100 and go. Oh my god. It must be a masterpiece It's like no, it could just be that everybody thought it was really like slightly above average It was really slightly above average Yeah, it's whereas again with like meta critic which even then using like number aggregates It's still like uh, you know like but at least it's the aggregate of the number score that was given to a film That's way more you I can see all those one to fives They don't just disappear You take the total amount of fresh reviews versus the total amount of reviews period Average that out and boom. You got your tomato meter score. The entirety of the site is dead again. Here it is again again Yeah, the beautiful tunes to boiling reviews down to was movie good or bad and barfing out a percentage based on that It is far too simplistic and honestly. Yeah, I mean true, but it's simultaneously That's what it is. Yeah, like it's yeah Who's going to it being like I wish to have a complicated review that has thumb up or down We'll just I I think all of these sites and I don't use them But this is what they do if you think that I don't do you want them to be more complex? I don't understand you'd be like going to someone who makes a six-hour video being like why can't you just say movie bad? Do you all know that cuties are sitting at 87 percent with the critics still? Yeah, that's why that's why rotten tomatoes can just maybe we don't heal the divide between critics and audience I don't know how this video It's gonna turn out, but I think it's it's a bit stronger than the last one in terms of it's like I think most people hate the introduction rotten tomatoes, especially but the aggregate sites as as like a form of approval of film I'm not against that idea, but I am kind of like it's like oh, this is too simple It's like it it is literally meant to be simple. That's not the criticism Simple isn't bad Exactly. Metacritic is simple Steam when it says more simple because it doesn't even like do anything to it If I'm it's like if you want to if you want to be clear don't speak in parables, you know If I'm considering picking up a game And steam says overall reviews are overwhelmingly positive. I'll be like, oh, this is easy then. Yeah, bye If it's negative I'll be like no fucking way. I'm touching that Because that is definitive at that point steams pretty reliable It means that something went hideously wrong with the game if it's overall negative reviews Probably doesn't even fucking work. It's a good chance Um, you know, yeah, and I really do appreciate steams reviews being the overall and the last 30 days That's yeah, extremely useful Good stuff Yeah, if I didn't read the steam reviews, I wouldn't have realized that that last of us pc port is absolute dog shit Yeah Yes, even if rotten tomatoes has an entire page on their website dedicated to explaining all this Remember our little human pee brains don't want to do that much thinking thinking is hard. They speak for you fucking self Yeah, it's yeah Stop with the like it when I see the rotten tomato shit. I've always just like, hmm. I wonder what that'll mean once I've seen the film I'll be able to know probably Um, because like you know if they say like indiana jones the dial of destiny If you if someone told you it has 100 fresh you'd be like, okay If someone told you it has zero percent completely rotten you'd be like wow Uh, okay, but is that gonna tell you whether or the film is any good? It's like we all know no We we we all know that that's gonna give us shit all information Because critic schools are weird, but it's kind of the same with audience schools You get that every once in a while where audiences are really happy or sad is something where you're like, what why? No average person who isn't cannibalized by internet movie culture the way that maybe you are and the way that I Definitely am the average person is not going to read all that and they're going to have absolutely no clue as to How all of this works Well, that's a lot of words Too bad i'm not reading them chat um, I Find the the I guess the point then is more so the damage it does to the average Viewer of this site. Maybe yeah I mean, yeah, I just I feel bad for anybody who thinks that like fresh or rotten is definitive and reliable Like oh, yeah, that sucks that you didn't know otherwise You know, it's it's something that's uh, it's something that people had kind of wore when it comes to like video game reviews from like outlets Um, it seems like people are less aware of it with films It's like what what is an opinion worth if you don't really know like who said it and what their metric is for like good or bad You know If a family member of mine was like I went to see Fucking new marvel movie and they said fresh on rotten tomatoes and I didn't think it was good And I was like, oh You thought it was gonna be good just because that Yeah, like who's they do you often agree with what they have to say like who are they you know who are these critics Who's uh perspectives and why and why what were they looking for out of films, you know? Uh, because everybody looks for something different out of films, right? And to be honest with you, I've talked to plenty of people who are quote-unquote normies when it comes to film I don't remember any of them Going about her rotten tomatoes is reliable. No, I mean, uh Yeah Well, no grace randolph speaks very highly of rotten tomatoes I will have you know Which is funny because she's subsumed by like internet culture and yet she's like rotten tomatoes reliable She should be the person who is most wary of it, but uh Mato meter score out of the equation entirely here for a second because I don't think that's the biggest problem with rotten tomatoes To me rotten tomatoes biggest offense is that in its attempt to simplify everything into two rigid categories critics an audience good and bad, etc Basically in doing so it is completely alienating the user from actively engaging with the criticism aside from giving What I feel like don't you just have to nobody? Yeah, nobody has ever used these scores as a substitute for discussion You just click on no one. Yeah It's yeah, it shows you which critics from where and then it gets the link to the full review in the date of what they said And if that got a six or less Oh, it even says a specific ratings there. I'm happy to hate on rotten tomatoes, but this doesn't seem fair So if they're looking for the number they'll go and look at the number and they won't look at the rest But if they're looking for reviews, they will look at the reviews These two things aren't like mutually exclusive with one another. It's not like people are doing one at the expense of the other Pony blurbs from the critics or generalizing the overall critical opinion into a consensus Rotten tomatoes is not really interested at all in allowing you to interface or Motherfuck you got a link to full review Look, you have all of all of the people that are registered to be critics on rotten tomatoes It has links to the full review their original scores. It has their little blurb the date It has I mean That's just not true, man. I don't think this is fair. You can't you're showing the thing It's on the screen and you're saying that it's not like at this point You're showing it you need to take issue with the people writing the reviews Like what what else is rotten tomatoes supposed to do now if you agree with it and like But being like, oh, there's just not enough discussion happening. It's like you got to do some clicking It's right there. You might have to do the I mean if you got to rotten tomatoes That's arguably more difficult than clicking on the full review link. I don't know rags. I feel like he's delegitimizing this outform Oh, yeah, this is some negative criticism of rotten tomatoes that I quite frankly don't appreciate I would like to be much more. We need to mend. We need to heal. Yes The divide between rotten tomatoes and humanity. I agree. Yes Otherwise engage with any of the reviews Yes, rotten tomatoes does allow users to see which critic reviews are posted and gives the users the option to read the full review But you and I both know that isn't the objective of the website as a whole So here's the thing. I kind of think it is Rotten tomatoes does not if it wasn't their objective, like it's a lot of work I guess why would they just not have it as an option. Yeah, fuck it. Yeah, it is like I don't agree with their Their their methodology for determining determining freshness, right? I don't I don't like that I don't think it's really that helpful at all But if you go to rotten tomatoes only to find a big list Of all of the critics of the internet and what they say It is basically a hub for you to get easily to all of their original articles In which case rotten tomatoes is actually really damn useful I hate to say but I know it's viable to get a good handle on a lot of review Critic people's opinions to go to rotten tomatoes click in click in and find out The idea that rotten tomatoes is like no no fuck they clicked in No, no, they're engaging with the website that we created. Oh, no Yeah, it's also totally just cope the objective of the websites and relevant here No, they're becoming accustomed to the service However the fuck you determine the objective well the thing of the the through line of thought here It's like person's experience with rotten tomatoes is the problem. What is it? It's like well, they basically only experience it through is it fresh or is it rotten? You're like, um, okay. There's some viabilities of that. We discussed and I was like, okay And he's like and you know, there's just no real way to just like get a good discussion on the movies Like well, there is you click it and then he's like, yeah, but that's not the point of the site What Well, you know what I guess that makes it a bad website That's really useful for this thing that it doesn't want to do but did or whatever. It doesn't change anything. It's so weird Views that the data is being pulled from there is nothing personal about this at all. It is just Personal Opinions of people in their entire articles This is just passing information. Like what you got here is what they're presenting to you, which is you get everybody's perspective Rounded up or down based on five or six if you understand the rules and then aggregate it out That's what that is and if you're like, yeah, but that's not very personal. It's like, of course, it's not very What does that even mean? Isn't that the point of rating websites to make it less personal and objective, you know, try to calculate it Yeah, there's I think making it less personal is probably just a natural byproduct of, you know, Objectification in some elements, but um simplifying it all the way up in tears without, you know That's what we're doing here. Halo gets 70 percent. I don't care. Well, so I was about to say actually You can scan through these lists and the interest can be like, oh, is there any hundred percent? Oh, there is peeky behind a season six. Oh, I wonder how that got a hundred percent It's like, well, it's probably just a series of, you know, six out of ten pluses Probably some high ones in there as well Hyperlinked in a organized columns. Well, that's the thing if if you then said more, why are you looking at that? You can't gain anything. I'm like, well, I'm just curious about the overall score if I am if I want to know why I can click it This is the most like basic interaction. This is if anything good I'm kind of baffled like, oh this Summarization of the scores of these things are all very impersonal unless you click them Which this the site doesn't want you to do apparently very strange Burrs and symbols that inherently mean nothing to you for example Okay, so they mean what they mean So All so numbers and symbols generally while they don't have inherent meanings. They have what we called shared understandings I don't want to have to explain what language is but I feel I don't really want to get into it I'm very Weirded out by this it is an aggregate site. It's it's on the tin. That's what's promised. That's what it means The reason why we don't think is very meaningful is because of the fact that the people who are telling us these numbers all change all the time Could be a different group of them could be they feel different things on the day. Who knows what they value That's why I prefer individuals and when Someone I trust recommends a movie and says like oh, it's it's about as good as this other movie that I have opinions I was like, oh that that translates an idea very quickly. However, if I want to know how the world feels About anything in particular. I'd rather go to Metacritic because I think they're much more straightforward But you could go to Rotten Tomatoes. You could check out good It seems like it's a decent essentially hub to find links to all of the individual articles Written by internet critics. That does seem like it's quite useful for that But whoever does that that's the problem. How many people do actually click through and read and How many of them even read the blurb? That's not a fault of the site though, is it? No, no, no, that's a fight That's a fault of the user that the site presents you all the information you need to get more information It's just a lot of people won't pursue it. Yeah Who named for me just one Just one critic whose reviews regularly go up on Rotten Tomatoes. Bob Chipman Yeah Wait the movie Bob's review is actually on Rotten Tomatoes. You know who else's do Chris Randolph Chris Stuckman too. He got his on Rotten Tomatoes as far as I know Who's the boring guy? Chris Stuckman Chris Stuckman, yeah I mean, it's yeah, all these a lot of youtubers and stuff they their stuff goes on there Ados besides maybe Chris Stuckman or the infamous Oh my god Because we didn't mention almond white. So there you go. We won. We got two That's a very mistaking I was I was fucking I was really hoping he didn't say don't mention Chris Stuckman grace rattle for movie Bob. I'm like, no Titan's a film criticism like movie Bob First would read it. I can't tell you a single name and I have been looking at scores on Rotten Tomatoes for at least So who's the problem and pay attention. Who's the problem? They are out there some people but I mean it could even be like different writers at the same, you know Outlet like the same newspaper And those people don't necessarily stay there forever or they get shuffled around I can understand why you wouldn't remember any individual That's why you should be such a Good system for finding individuals Um Because you can get direct information from if he said to me Why don't you know any of the critics on Rotten Tomatoes because I don't fucking care about Rotten Tomatoes Because I don't go to Rotten Tomatoes and then and then if he said well I do so why don't I like because you don't look at the names. I don't know This is a you problem. I can't explain why you don't know the names. They're there No more than we would At least the past 12 years. I can't tell you any of these people's names I can't tell you what they regularly if you are using the site. I don't know why you don't recognize the names If yeah, I If you visit enough and read enough reviews, I feel like you would eventually just get some names by chance Like I love that he says like you can't count chris. It's like why Why not? Why can't you count chris? He's like he loves Yeah, I mean this guy loves to villainize like Things right the last time it was like, you know, these youtube film critics, right? They're villains. They're destroying, you know movies and cinema and now it's Rotten Tomatoes like Who are we destroying actually like what? In every sense We are coming off as villains the Rotten Tomatoes is a villain in this case. Well, I mean, who are we protecting? Really? Like what is his point? I'm so confused So there's this theoretical person who looks at Rotten Tomatoes sees that the witch has a low score Or you know, that's not the case but let's pretend it is and they go, uh, well That's not for me And he's there like it would have been for you But you trusted a site that is so bad in the way that it aggregates things and that's bad But then like he's got there's something to that That was the one of the first points you made that we were talking about. Okay But he started going to these weird fucking things like You can't discover any discussion on Rotten Tomatoes like yes, you can it's like but the site's not built to support it It's like yes, it is He's like, yeah, but you don't know the names of the reviewers like you don't You don't know the names of the reviewers and I don't know why if you've been reading it I don't know why you don't know the names of the reviewers like this video is fucking strange I can't tell you whether or not they're engaging with the films in good faith Then look you can tell from the reviews my man You can yeah, the all of the information is there and it is not hidden Like okay, I'm trying to be so I can't make me defend Rotten Tomatoes sad like if I I'm like, oh that new You know Avengers movies coming out. I checked the Rotten Tomatoes and it says the critic score is 83 like Click into it and it says this is a fun romp filled with all kinds of cameos You will be excited to see the next chapter after this one and then the next review says like I just oh Laugh a minute. I couldn't stop laughing at all the amazing cameos I'm just like you start to get a picture. You're like, oh, so the movie's gonna have this there's okay It's like I don't like Rotten Tomatoes, but you can actually get a grasp on what the movie is Uh from reading several reviews. I've done it a couple times on real bbc now It's uh, and it's often interesting to get into the minds of the critics. They are weird Sometimes the things that they celebrate or uh criticize But you know, he's saying now like my problem is I don't even know if they're genuine Oh, well, I mean, I guess that's always going to be a problem for you You'll never know for sure what everyone's saying. I mean Rotten Tomatoes is known as a site filled with shills We get on the critic side, but that that's just down to you is what you think Maybe if you learned their names and you learned their work previously you can have a better grasp on it The singular biggest reason that youtube has become an overwhelming hub for film criticism Is because it is inherently more personal than a website. We just said what I said Rotten Tomatoes could ever hope to be if you subscribe. I don't even know if that's fair though Well, we're on I mean this Rotten Tomatoes is like more of a gateway to those individuals rather than the hub for it You know grace Randolph's youtube channel is much more personal than grace Randolph's articles reviewing films Like well, yeah, because she's like vlogging you can even see her she's talks about more random shit I guess because the article is much more focused I don't know. It just seems like yeah, of course they are Fibed to this channel. It's probably not just because I dissected a film or a particular topic But because I made you feel something while I did it and the more films that I talk about The more that you will understand my tastes and the more that you'll hopefully relate to them Oh, wow. This is all just like yeah, so Well, yeah, so that could you could you get the problem? Maybe you starting to gather like the amount of Time it would take to do that and how much time people don't have to spend on things like that Yeah, this is why when people say like, oh, don't worry season two is really good Or that this video game you might not like the opening few hours But once you get fully it a lot of people say like I don't have time to waste I want to play games that I'll enjoy throughout or I want to watch stuff that I'll enjoy throughout You know, the there is a thing about that. So like a lot of people use wrong tomatoes because it's fucking quick From there that can help you maybe trust my recommendations or heed my warnings on youtube You are pretty much required to engage with the actual criticism. Oh, when did this video come out? That probably came before it before yeah here. I'll take a look. This came out a year ago All right. Okay. All right. Well, yeah, I guess you change your mind on that one You at least if you want to get anything meaningful out of it And you by the way the top comment that he loved is your production value is so good I don't know why you're so unpopular Oh unpopular I don't think he doesn't seem unpopular to me Yeah, I feel like unpopular doesn't mean that like you're not like unpopular is almost like infamous, right? Like it's maybe yeah, maybe the commenter just misworded it like why don't you have more views? Hmm Oh here. Oh meep tops response if I had to guess it's probably because Semicolon I cover a variety of topics on a platform where catering to a Specified niche is preferred the topics I choose are not often ones that align with common or trending searches And my average click-through rate and average view duration are somewhat low across the board Because of the former things I listed Also, I'm not very fun at part. Who knows really? I just at that point watching the video all the way through and engaging with it in the form of a like and comment helps a ton So thank you. You just want to ask him, right? It's gonna be like you you should be popular shouldn't you? Yeah You should have lots of views what he said was weird. Why wouldn't it just be like, oh, you know, who knows? Well, I mean he's doing everything right the production is great. You just say like, you know, I'm getting there, you know Yeah Yeah, it's a little bit odd Also, well before we carry on Does one of our need one of our one of our cast members need to head out That is very much true but before He does that gives you a clue that knocks it down significantly. It could be anyone except for Nutsa and Theo True. Well, it is CJ. I'm so sorry to reveal it. That was going to be a season ending finale thing, but I've spoiled it early. Yeah Um, I mean Everyone go home. It's uh, it's it's been a it's been a journey I think you've come you've learned a lot about film criticism I think this is going to feed right into every video you make going forward, right? You have learned a lot. No, I'm gonna stop. I can't carry on I I randomly looked over a telegram and it just so happens that someone boasts this picture That's relevant. This is relevant to CJ leaving. Yes Playing movies are good But before you go tell people where you are and what you're up to and what they can expect to happen next Adventure Well, well, I'm uh back from our holiday and working on videos again hoping to get The next big video out sometime in june probably late june at this rate, um The scooby suit may appear again. We will we'll have to see It I don't want to give away too much right now, but it might be the most controversial Video I've ever made. Oh in terms of what's in it or just a broad opinion of it in terms of what's in it Okay, all right, like I'm not sure how I'm gonna get this video monetized if at all so We'll we'll see Yeah But I'm excited Gonna be uh, maybe controversial Yeah, yeah, that's exactly where I'm gonna I'm gonna do a frame by frame breakdown of a Serbian film Well, link in chat and description. Thank you so much for joining us All right. Thanks for having me. It was really fun. Good to see you. Yeah Always fun. You have a good night now Toodaloo boy boy. Bye. Bye Alrighty To its greatest potential, but of course we're not just gonna sit here and sniff our own farts. YouTube is not perfect Not even close. I mean for starters the algorithm I love the sim soundtrack Right Especially if those videos are going to elicit anger which is It comes with a whole slew of problems one of which being that these videos are Mate, this will give us insight into like how he got where he was. Maybe we'll hear something new here Yeah, just thought all slew of problems one of which being that these videos are often very devoid of substance Or critical thinking and also see this is that's a completely different issue. That's a very different issue Yeah, devoid of substance or critical thinking. It's like if you had made that video I had a fucking agreed with you a little bit like yeah, man That's better to substantiate and I think pushes it in the right direction Oh, that's a way better video make that one So as of late the algorithm seems to prioritize shorter videos, which Kind of throws depthful analysis. I'm not even I don't know Anymore long is quite liked by the algorithm. It seems to depend Specifically what you're doing in criticism long is definitely on the rise So, yeah, this maybe it's more complicated than length now. It's something else Out of the window unless you are willing I mean I know for a fact that people talk about like back in the day when it first started It was just view count then it was view counts on longer videos then it became audience retention I think that's like currently the most important thing. How long can you keep someone on a video? Algorithm like what what youtube likes they want you to make videos that can Grab people in for as long as possible. Yeah Essentially the more and the longer that people watch your video the better Yeah, um, because people might say like what about shorts? It's like that's still what shorts are, right? They they they're like a hot potato. They pass you on or pass you on pass you on So as long as I can grab you for 10 seconds and then the next one does too and the next one does too Eventually, you'll be grabbed for hours on end Which is also something a long video can do some ads I don't know how shorts work because the interface and the like design of them is so Shit tier that I just don't even engage with them but I mean, hey, remember, I think you know the whole vine thing started at all. Yeah Playing to make Hours long videos on the regular that people are willing to watch all the way through not to mention that the youtube community often Loves to just take a critic's score or rating at face value even though as we've already established Schools mean nothing And how does that factor in with this little asterisk down there? What was the asterisks? Just uh, especially if they've already formed their own strong opinion of the work being reviewed, which I will never understand They were Yeah, we need to roll them back even further because now i'm getting a bit lost That the youtube community often loves to just take a critic's score or rating at face value Even though as we've already, uh, especially if the viewer has already formed a strong opinion. Okay so They will take the creators Score at face value, even if they've already got their own point of view That's you can't know that you can't that's a huge generalization All right, what's bad about it though? Is that bad the format kind of necessitate hearing out the creator? Well, but like so if if someone says why mess thought of the batman is a six out of ten Um, and I have my own view on the batman what? Is that bad that I now take his score at face value? I believe that he believes I'm just confused What's the problem seems like he's building like a strautism where you know You see someone gave a film you like a six out of ten and you just write them off Oh I I think that's what he's angling for but I have honestly no idea because most Like number slash rating style things are usually towards the end of the video So you kind of have to hear them out unless you just skip through Established those scores mean nothing without the entire context of the rest of the review and critics I mean less I hate to say it but they mean what they mean and you'd be like what? They mean what they mean and I mean by that is the the context around them What does the number mean that's literally a number and that's it delivered by bob It's like well, it's not really much of anything. I guess I could get an indication But if I'm familiar with all of yms's work and then a number from him that that means something very significant and specific compared to bob I don't even know why this is difficult. It's it's a number. We're again talking about that speed thing I get to know something really quickly. It cost me nothing Versus watching an hour long deep dive. I could do that too. That's going to take an hour Why are we shitting on numbers for being quick and simple when that is like their point? Why they exist they do quick and simple General but also especially on youtube have this horrible tendency to just take the exact template that has been laid out across various screenwriting books Or joseph camples here with a thousand faces or previous films in a series They just they just take all these ideas They take them all and they just slap them on to what why would you do that to those books? Why would you do that to those books? Nazi over here Ever they're watching and just put it up against that without any regard to the filmmakers intent Oh, yes. I don't care. Yeah, I'm fine with that. You go nuts I don't know what they intended and I can't know what they intended And I don't want to know the intended sometimes if I know it might fucking affect my ability to properly Explain how the thing came to me instead of It's the perfect triplicate. I don't know. I can't know and I don't want to know Yeah, I mean that's about all of it. Just call that a review which Fuck me. This guy has become so like the more you learn about the boy like you're super elitist Aren't you like you just don't want to admit it, you know, like The thing that really strikes me and it's just like stayed with me is this Petulent view of like how dare you be so critical of all these movies, but then he just simultaneously without realizing it Through a bunch of them in the bin at one point in the video Like look at these fucking worthless pieces of shit films. It's like You are the person that you don't like and you'd be like, yes, I've been hypocritical and I'm like no It goes a little further than that And don't get it twisted. I am not advocating at all for anyone to just I don't know why you're completely disregard the history of their classics I'm bored of these fucking caveats. They suck. You'll make like some really broad and strange statement That you'll just immediately say no not that though like, okay Caveats just injected into scripts can like seriously damage the flow Of an argument damages my mental health. I am fine with caveats, but his ones have been retarded The film criticism should not be negative, but that's not to say it can't be negative Sass especially if they want to be a filmmaker or a film critic All I'm saying is that nah, they don't need to know history of film if they want to be a film critic I've talked about this before I am fine if in fact I'm kind of interested in the idea of listening to someone talk about film when they've never even known what film is as a concept And also, where do you begin? And how do you know that you have a sufficient understanding of the history of film before you are now allowed arbitrarily to be a film critic? Yeah, I don't like it. I don't like it I just want to listen to what they say based on what they saw and heard and No, we need to define whether they're a critic or not so that we can on that metric define whether or not we have to listen What they have to say Yeah, because the most insightful thing you ever hear from anybody It's not made more or less insightful by knowing that they are aware of I don't know film history necessarily. It's usually the thing they said Something that's often been well not often but occasionally gets said is that it is really very interesting to see what somebody creates when they aren't As familiar with all of the tropes or uh storytelling devices or three act structure or things like that Yeah, when you're not like inform like where you've learned so much about him. Yeah, exactly I want to I tell you I want to go back in time and then snatch deba from the ancient egyptian days and show him a movie And be like what do you think of this? Why him specifically? Well, so a long time ago. I watched a little sort of like documentary thing on the history channel Is it many years ago about the construction of the pyramids? It was told from the perspective of someone whose brother deba Died in a construction accident when they were making the pyramids And so for whatever reason that name just kind of stuck with me as an egyptian name Also, um Austin said not really for any uninformed creatives taking over properties. They don't care about has not worked well That's clearly not what's being discussed right now. We're not saying we give a random person control over star wars I I also don't think people we're talking about those people are if anything Extremely influenced by tropes and modern movie expectations and storytelling stuff Yeah, well, you should draw from what freerien saying instead isn't we give star wars? For example to any random person even one that has no familiarity film It would be there should be no one who is exempt from trying to make a film Just because they have no familiarity with film doesn't mean they can't try to make one We should allow it in the same way and talking about yeah, I'm talking about them The you should not be like when you're about to upload the video. It's like well, how familiar are you with film? It's like Fucking whatever Be a ride block, you know Yeah, when it comes to like ip familiarity like yes You should probably hire people who fucking know what star trek is if they're gonna make star trek that would be neat Yep, that's probably the worthwhile The way in which the tools at a critic's disposal are used can make a huge difference in how said criticism Is perceived to quote the late great roger ebert It is not what a film is about it is how it is about it And I feel like this is true Not only for films, but for film criticism The pike one music Oh, is that what he's doing? Well, I am just over being invested in whether or not a critic Or a lot of critics has come to an overall positive or negative conclusion about a film Or any other piece of art for that matter or whether or not that conclusion that they've come to Perfectly aligns with my own opinion. Okay. What what okay? Sure, man It's totally fine I mean the vast majority of people who use rotten tomatoes is literally just gonna be a time saver That's it. I mean like is this thing? Oh, that's rotten. Uh, maybe I'll go with the fresh one And as simple as that and I think he's like you're missing The detailed and further understanding the heart of the creation you barely understand anything It's like, yeah, I know I got to go to work tomorrow. Hey, watch the fucking movie Chill out. I try my best. I have to pick a movie now judge a review based on That person engages with the art girlfriend reviews and naked jakey walked away with Completely opposite emotional reactions to the last of us two and I think both of their videos on the subject Are brilliant pieces of analysis again is not what does that? Okay, one of them was negative. They're down form different conclusions That's true Well, this was this was a different time This is the Not the opinion he's evolved as a critic Ultimately matters it is how that opinion was formed and how much you personally resonate with their approach because sure But Love this shit it's priceless We get made fun of this all the time yet all of them think it they just don't say it If I stepped outside and said it's my opinion, it's thunderstorming right now Ain't no one would say that that is a valid opinion. No, that's just not an opinion right see That's how they get around that you don't have an opinion there. You just you're just wrong Yeah, it's not it's not you know, you can't have opinions on matters of objective reality I guess or something whatever But the an opinion can be horribly misinformed. Ah, there it is. Say wrong Say wrong or otherwise in bad faith. Do you know that's not the same thing? No being being misinformed and being in bad faith are not the same thing I just love it though He's managed to squeeze himself into being able to be like your opinion. Shit now and it's like, whoa, you can't do that He's like I can Because I said I could It's pretty negative This is the old he moved on from this is him before he he this is him Before he is a caterpillar and this is before he has now is the bottom of his chrysalis and he is I don't know blossomed as a beautiful butterfly Expect me to treat a detailed and knowledgeable analysis of the batman with the same amount of value As somebody just giving it a zero out of ten on metacritic because their six-year-old pissed themselves while they watched it I don't understand the point here. Like yeah, of course I guess is it because like What he pissed himself because he was scared of Riddler Thanks, Hollywood for scaring my You shouldn't take your six-year-old to see the batman. No, of course not. What the fuck It's Hollywood's fault. I took my child to this He pissed all over me. You're the fuck you So that's on the parent right pg-13 parental guidance recommended that's on the parent Yeah, I mean Come on. This would normally be the part of the video where your child can fit inside of the popcorn bucket They should not watch this film I just can't believe that we got to this far It's near the end of the video and his final thing is like I don't take as seriously a review that someone got like pissed on as I do an hour long deep dives like Yeah, thanks for the insightful commentary, buddy. Great Everything disagrees with you nobody disagrees with you except I guess maybe the person who wrote that review And maybe they don't disagree with you, you know, you know, all I can really say about that opinion is that's safe Point but that kind of Is the point, isn't it that nothing about the way we engage with art can be perfectly condensed into a compact little youtube video Thank you. Numbers aren't perfect to consume neither They were never gonna be never intended to be they were just indicative and quick Art is human. It is messy. Oh my god. It's complicated Dude, art is the human elite's shot Have you ever considered that art is human? It's fragile Like I just want to know You're doing your Bruce Wayne voice thing about this film That's not Bruce Wayne I wonder if dolphins are swimming around and they're like I'm arranged some seashells to look like a Like a I don't know some seaweed look at that. No, like seaweed or something or like a I don't know a fish that they've seen And then the dolphin is like, yeah, I am expressing myself Like a yeah, like a happy a happy dolphin that I am And then another dolphin says that's not very good And then this guy comes up with a fucking chainsaw like fuck you you've ruined everything Chops the dolphin up with chainsaw Negativity is big on And it can't be boiled down as simply as we think it can but to make this video Nobody Yeah, he's like nobody agreed with that It's like I think that most people will accept that a number for as imperfect as it is is a shorthand for like some broad statement Right if a film gets a nine out of ten I mean, it's it's reasonable to assume that it's probably quality at least in that person's perspective Um, like and if they give it a two, you know, then the opposite's the case It's useful in that regard, but obviously if you know, it's like this movie isn't nine You couldn't really say anything about whether the acting is great or the characters are great or why Of course not, but I don't think anybody would say otherwise, right? Unless they're like insane I just feel like every time he like highlights, you know, someone summarizes the acting the soundtrack the pacing the cinematography the Whatever and then the other guy says it's a six And then he's like see there's much more insight in the first guy. It's like, yeah, but second guy's quicker He'd be like Yes, because it's just a number and it's like Yeah Do you see how this happened because then the guy who said all the things that you said was more insightful He's pretty quick compared to the guy who does the hour video and then that guy's pretty quick compared to the other guy Does a seven hour video and so on You're wild Here's some final thoughts. It's important to have a nuance take on a film and to try and engage with isn't it Gonna be simple. Can you feel like that was shit? I don't know When you see cocaine bag, could you just be like well, that was fun No film is undeserving of the nuance there I don't know man No, they worked hard on that movie. So I think it deserves, you know a bit of nuance Hell, yeah If nuance leads me to more an accurate accurate observations and conclusions, then, you know show With the film on its own terms Don't attempt to oversimplify everything Use your brain. Well, like saying that negative criticism should not like exist I don't know man. Yeah, this is getting a little bit weird It sounds like he's saying think critically, but also don't be negative think critically be self aware Um actively engage Fucking music Make art not content art is the enemy of democracy Thank you for watching this mess art is the enemy of democracy. All right. Let's go go out and see who we got it from Art is the enemy of democracy What is that? Where did that come from? Let's see. This is quote fans for gore vidal art is not a democracy. In fact art is the enemy of democracy Is the idea that community made like or approved art is shit um I don't know if I even care to like figure out what that means I just it comes across pretty cringe. It sounds to me like a quote that has a lot to do with its context So just trotting it out outside of that context I don't know when I type in that quote the third thing on the list from google is a guardian article that says the best art Is born from democracy Looks like there's a debate to be had Art is the enemy of democracy I would have to sit and really ponder what that's trying to say, but it doesn't pass the smell check He's laughing as he says it. He's joking. Come on. That's not quite how that works It's a real gore vidal quote. No, no, just watch the way that he does it now. I can explain intent art is the enemy of democracy Thank you for watching this mess. Why do you do you plan it or yeah, I just did you know Did not like I didn't didn't do it. Yeah. Okay. Well, nobody else or that's fine. It works for me Yeah, so do you see the way you deliver that? I just don't get it. I guess it's more of a it would be like if I said um You know evil is evil is a part of human nature I'll see you next time. So I said see he laughs. He doesn't believe it. We're like well No, it's more of a like Acknowledgment that this is a reality. The problem isn't it's not even I don't even know if I disagree I have no idea what he means by it. So I'm just saying it's a fucking weird thing to throw in at the end It'd be nice to know what he meant or how it works in with the context of this video because I assume he's talking about You know like rotten tomatoes is like a Democratically voting on movies and that it's killing it. So I like I fully believe he believes in the quote I'm just not exactly sure how he would apply it Which is weird because saying that art is the enemy of democracy. Does that imply that art is the friend of Authoritarians Again, whatever that quote was it's like Theo said there was probably a context that is just just totally absent here So I don't even know where to begin. We're trying to figure it out I don't want to I'm on board with the idea that a singular vision and all that stuff But like, you know, you can have great art made by people together. He was playing it in the cohen brothers, right? I don't know. Just I didn't even like less on democracy or something. I'm like, yo, fuck it I don't even want to think about it. I don't know what you bet by it. So I'll just leave it Fuck you, bye Okay Oh For two on this youtuber, uh, not not great Not great good on him for the creative endeavor, you know, consider some more structure It's very hard to know what you're actually thinking harder. Yeah, we'll keep having the big problem with the structure It keeps going like the it is so unfocused That's definitely I keep going sort of thing. He seems to be developing it as time goes on so keep it up I guess I but but if anything he seems to have gotten worse Yeah, the first video is worse than the second newer. Yeah I mean this guy has an extraordinary ability to frustrate me and like Bore me out of my mind. I've been yawning for the last like 20 minutes. I can't even speak I'm uh, uh, try to say something nice He's got a good lighting Yeah, I guess the production quality is all right. Yeah, he seems he seems nice. I'd hang out with this guy Yeah, maybe Is that it we got any others Oh, if you want, I mean Like I didn't just like the music that he used. They were a good variety I just turned up the step. I'll be randomly thrown in though right like a lot of nice. Yeah Pick from the video essayist catalog, you know I don't know if I've ever heard the Sims theme like the the the shopping theme for like These videos I heard a couple times. It's it's it's what I prefer Wait, which one is your favorite of those shopping themes? Was it that one? Um It wasn't that one It was oh shoot. I don't even have them by name Dammit. No, it's not that hot names. I think they're just numbered one two and oh, yeah Like shot like building theme one exactly shopping theme to buy them one two and three Yeah, I don't have them by number. It wasn't that one though, but it's a good. It's a good one. They were all good I love them. Yeah And yeah, I loved them in the video Um, yay Cool. Why not? We had some good little, um, like the the matt daemon thing. Yeah That's neat and the um the the movie guy Yes, gorsese Yes Best of luck to the future whatever you may endeavor to I would just think about What the true issue is because it might not be negativity. It might be something else Yeah, I think maybe just needs to really kind of stick to a script and really try to make sure that he focuses better Because I think he kind of falls apart goes on tangents a lot and we kind of don't even really know what he's talking about anymore Even though the video has a title Uh, the focus needs to be there and he needs to stay on track. I think he can easily get diverted I agree. I'm sure I'm sure his heart is in the right place. Oh, I'm sure. I'm not sure um yeah Well, I'd say that about does that that brings us to the end of this wonderful e-fam stream but before we even think about ending, why don't we first Talk to uh to nuts. What are you up to? Where do you do things? Why should people subscribe to you? Well, I'm working on a video that is like, I don't know where it's going to be posted, but it's almost finished Uh, and it's like basically I'm calling The entire film industry a fan fiction factory where I'm like You know everything is fan fiction that comes out. You know, that's a little bit negative Yeah, maybe not a lot of do that anymore I should delete myself Thank you But uh, yeah, I I'm working on it and I'm really proud of it and I'm excited to post it soon so Well, what's up to that? And what's out right now that they could check out? Oh Not much though I don't even know how long like it's been And maybe half a year or not not even but I I think I haven't posted since February And um, I mean, yeah, I'm like I posted a video after our she-hulk podcast like um About female writers that I'm really proud of so if people want to check it out. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, again Yeah, she-hulk was quite a horrifying thing. So I thought it was powerful Yeah, sure. Why not? Um, well, hey, yeah, thank you very much and the links are been posted in chat and the description links get fucked every time We start up the stream. They'll be fixed when they re-uploaded or hopefully they're fixed right now But youtube does some into it. It's weird Uh, well, they've they've done it. So it's all like a lot of the usernames are like at now Yeah, but so that's what I put in the beginning when I start the stream up Oh, and then they just screwed them up anyway. Yeah, they convert into garbled numbers and letters that don't work They take you to false pages annoying as hell I have to like switch them all again The point where I might have to just start starting up streaming then doing it, but yeah any case, uh Das, what about you? What are you up to lemur? Um, still working on batwoman. Sorry. I know it's like don't worry. It's not gone I'm still working on it as I go. It's just you know They're gonna have their minds blown when they see that we actually reached the end of it someday It is still going. Don't worry. Yeah, what are you up to? You know, all right Well, uh, appreciate you both joining us for this wonderful adventure Fringy rags anything you guys wanted to say about anything Oh, not really not really right now Maybe next week. I'll have a more substantive update. Maybe maybe I'm just I'm just in the editing dungeon. I'm just working That's me. Yep. I mean I've only got the same to report every day Be the audio stuff video stuff editing writing. It's a lot of things And uh, yeah, just for now. I'm afraid we can't give you any enticing updates Uh, but Gotham knights will start up eventually. I'm trying to get um Super cut of mando out first, which is a nightmare. It's getting hit with Insane levels of copyright that the individual videos weird guys The individual episodes were fine and then when it gets compiled into one big super cut it all just starts to go wrong Yeah, some how much is that? Really fucking annoying, but you'll get that and then Gotham knights will start up after that But I can't actually say how long it'll take. I have no idea and as you can imagine It takes a while to render an upload each one of them every time and youtube the Those rap scallions will only tell you about one copyright claim at a time because they're so fucking awesome and cool Love them But yes, uh Wednesdays the catch-ups come out at this point seems to be a pretty solid Scheduling thing and it means that we get to have more reasonable times to be on and off and stuff And you'll be getting like I said tv slash movie stuff Here and there who knows more updates as time goes on in any case Thank you all so much for the kind donations for the company and of course to our wonderful guests for staying this uh adventure It was fun On on the bone Okay, well, good night everybody and we'll see you next time. Good. Bye Bye. Bye. Bye. See you later No negative no negatives in the comments remember. Yeah, don't be negative. Happy thoughts only