 Should we get started? Hi. Hi, Carol. Um, so on our agenda, I'm thinking this can be a short meeting. I think, you know, we had canceled our last meeting two weeks ago because creative discourse and was still in the works of soliciting feedback and then reporting back to the city council. They're not getting, um, they're not presenting to the police review committee until July 1st and coming out with their like more updated. Um, you know, they, they want to incorporate that feedback and then presenting to the city council July 7th. Um, and so I, um, I, so I don't know if we have too much to report back, but I thought, but then we have a couple of things like, you know, cities opening back up, like are there more things to talk about for the creative discourse survey and results in city council presentation, um, fundraising, recruitment, um, and other business, including these in-person meetings, um, as well as just checking in with our self-education learning round table and report backs from city committees. Um, so does that, yeah, Cameron. Um, just when we get a chance, the city council can't canceled their July 7th meeting. So I need to reschedule with creative discourse. Cool. Okay. Thank you. We have it on our internal agenda. For the, for the 21st, which I think is the, I'm looking at Lauren, I think that's the July meeting, right? Okay. Yeah. Sounds right. Yeah. Cool. Um, so anything else to change or to add from that agenda? I did a little out of order. So let me just reframe that. Self-education learning round table, report back, you know, for public comment, all of that stuff. Uh, report backs from city committees, creative discourse. Um, and then kind of other business. Yeah. Cool. Okay. Um, should we just do a round of, um, introductions, check-ins, self-education, um, you know, anything that you've been, um, you know, working on over the past month. Also looking at Carolyn and Carol here too. I'll go first just because I'm in a talkative mood this morning. Um, I went to the Juneteenth celebration in Burlington, which was really great. Um, I'm happy to see that that holiday is sort of moving northward. It's a pretty big deal in the south. And so it's just interesting to see how different sort of, uh, cultures, if you will, looked at that. Um, I went with the assistant town manager from Berry town, and we went to a lot of the learning panels and the education sort of side of things and less of the celebration things. So we really wanted to take away some, um, some learnings from that. So, um, it was really worth it. Uh, Tabitha was there, um, who works for creative disbursed, y'all know. So, um, sat through her panel. It was really worth it. It was a really good trip. Lots to think about. Thanks, Cameron. Um, I can go. Um, I just wanted to share back that best week of synagogue in Montpelier. Um, I had a congregational meeting and, um, I did a lot of research and, um, I was just at that, decided to, um, just have like a study group looking at, um, like honor tax, land tax, um, to, um, the Abonnacky or other, you know, indigenous folks and the first, um, uh, Uh, Like study group meeting was last night. I did a lot of research and, uh, I was in New York. And I was just, um, I was in New York, and I was in New York in New and recognizing a lot of other faith communities and other synagogues across the country or doing this. And so, um, I have, uh, Are scheduling a next meeting next month, um, to look at what those other congregations are doing. Um, and so if anyone knows of other things happening in the area, you know, um, other, other faith traditions, you know, not just in Jewish communities would, um, Yeah, I'm still working, although it is summer, we have meetings and everything so I don't do too much to self education but I'm reading a book for my job it is like a cookie talk to a good to walk and it's about diversity, equity and inclusion in higher education, and it was very interesting book because it says I think it's the same with racism and other like social justice other things we are we have been talking, it says equity is like a buzzword like everybody is talking about so higher education institution are trying to create something or it is really they believe it's the best thing to do for their institutions and for their students. So, it is interesting to see that I think it's the problem with lots of new concepts right it is coming and everybody's trying to fulfill their duty, but is the question is, do they really believe the importance of this things like social justice, economic justice and everything so. Yeah, that's it. I just want to share with this with you. What was the book called again so I can get it in the notes. equity from equity talk to equity walk. Well, I can send the name to the. I got it. Thank you. Okay. I'll say to that I we. So we did a book study group with a book. The little book of restorative justice, and that finished a few weeks ago. Since then we haven't done anything specific and I haven't done anything specific, though, one of my colleagues offers what she calls the summer Institute which is for days of workshops for educators. That's happening in August and she invited community justice center staff to attend and Tabitha more is going to be there on the first day of their workshop, talking about race and restorative justice. So we all of our staff all four of us are planning to attend and unfortunately we can't open it up to volunteers. But in any case we're going to be doing that so that's going to be another opportunity to connect with, you know, someone about that we're also working right now on motivational interviewing for our volunteers as a way to really to again, because we're looking forward to look at our process and the way we interact. I'm looking that at that as an opportunity for us to have everybody who's involved in that think about how, you know, what, what are they bringing when they're asking the questions they asked so you know it's really about helping to helping a person find their own way forward to address whatever issues in front of them. We don't want us to really be conscious of whether we have whether we're bringing our biases and stigma into the process at all so it's a way for us to to really be examining our process to make sure that we are fair and equitable in how we do our work. I can go next. Good morning everyone nice to see you all. I'm doing well in general, really excited to be. I still have to work in the summer to but we'll take a decent amount of time off with my kids and husband who's a teacher so they're all up so it feels like we're on summer vacation even though I have to work. Yeah, a lot of the work I've been doing for my day job. We've hired a group called Center for whole communities that I don't know if some of you have worked with. We're Vermont based although we're working with some people from around the country but do a lot of diversity equity inclusion training and like deep work with organization so we we had our first we've been working with them for like a year and just had our first in person meeting with some of them a couple weeks ago and it was. We got to later in the agenda about us getting back together in person but it was definitely like a different quality and kind of conversation and so it was kind of refreshing to have a kind of like, you know really probing and deep kind of reflections together and do it in person felt like a different kind of conversation and learning then you can get to a zoom so. So anyway that's been doing some good things there and if I can think of any good readings or anything to link to I'll put them in the chat. Nice to see you all thanks. Carolyn I see you coming off a mute before. Yeah. Let's see I'm on the. Oh, but I go better phrase that the Jedi or the diversity committee for the co op the co office focused on making it a more welcoming place to be either as a shopper or as a community member or as a. So, of course, they're focused on different aspects of diversity. They did have been working on getting a welcoming statement at the start of the years at the start of each meeting, acknowledging the fact that. Now I'm at the Nackie land and she Stevens gave them a statement to use. So, I think they're going to accept that was one path forward. Another path forward is that they were interested. We could take a semester long course in black history. And so I'd already done a lot of black history studies just because I wanted to know the back story on what's happening today. I went through the civil rights movement in the 60s and the rest of the stuff that was obviously a lot more than that. So, so that's been kind of interesting. And that's one reason I showed up here was because of looking at the overlap, you know, the number of people going the same direction and it's kind of nice to know what other people are doing. The question I have is I don't know how much we build into the different ethnicities in Montpelier, you know, like, I remember years ago that there was a Bosnian community but I never heard a whole lot about them, or, you know, other groups are black people here. We have Indians from India coming and going, all that kind of thing so I don't know what the actual makeup of the city is and I don't know if anybody has done that. Then the other thing I dabble in, that's not a good phrase, I'm on the homelessness task force, and then I go over to the housing committee as their representative. And, of course, the big thing that they're focused on is the fact that we're going to have a number of unhoused people as of July 1. And so that is a major focus there is how to accommodate that. But that leads into the bigger question of, even if they're housing vouchers and so forth available, there's no housing. So you keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger things. So that's what I've been doing. Thank you, Carolyn. And just to one of your questions was about, you know, how are we reaching out to different identity communities within Montpelier and one of our goals for the survey that we've been doing the creative disbourses was to get 10% of survey respondents to be from black indigenous community people of color, you know, community members, I've self identified folks, and we, we, we, we got that but we didn't, you know, we also were like getting paper surveys and also we're looking at, you know, how what surveys are we going to get translated to like have folks fill out in other languages. And I don't believe we got any paper surveys back or any any request for any translation so we are we did like, well we hit our that goal we like didn't, you know, we know we didn't actually hit all of the communities that we were looking for so I think you're bringing in a great question that we've we've been thinking about and wrestling with so thanks. I hope the census report when it finally gets up comes out and we'll give us some sort of a broad picture of what the community looks like. Yeah, Cameron, do you want to do. I mean yes the I don't know when we're going to get the survey results or the 2021 2020 census. But soon, I would assume. Probably this year, we'll get census data and so that will give us an updated look at our demographics on a larger scale. So that'll be really useful and helpful because we're all using a, what was it 2006 data 2000 I can't count. Anyway, it's old, so be lovely to get an updated one. Michael, if you're safely driving and have service. We can. Okay. Nothing much to report I've been very busy with the police review committee were at the stage of writing recommendations so I almost all my attention has been focused on that. I did go to the Juneteenth celebration of the State House. You know, hearing what the continuing problem of racism and not so hidden in some communities more hidden than others. Other than that report. Thanks Michael. Well, should we just dive right back into that if there is more report back from the police review committee's recommendation writing process or, or, and, or yet and other city committee report backs. But Michael while you're off mute. Is there anything more there. And you are now muted if you are talking other city committees. Lauren, did you. Well, I can give a police review committee. Sorry, Michael that we can't hear you. Yeah, so we're, we originally had a timeline of trying to have being done June 30, but we had so much work underway that we asked council for a little more time so now we're aiming for like an end of August timeline, but we are working through a series of recommendations so basically people are who are on the committee are bringing forward, you know, proposals to vote on and we're doing preliminary votes. So, there'll be a concise way to share we've got an agenda which actually I could put in here which which shows there's like links to a bunch of anyone wanted to poke around in it. There's like links to a bunch of Google Docs where you can see the recommendations that have been voted on so far. So, a lot of really good work that Michael's done a ton so kudos to him and gratitude for a lot of the hard work he's doing. But a lot of things having to do with like training and looking at how, you know, how dispatch works and who's who responds to what calls and how, you know, working with the mental health providers and all kinds of things so it's been a really really interesting and I think there'll be a series of recommendations coming out of it to council to consider that should be should be good I think. So, I'll try to dig that out somebody else is giving another update in case anyone wants to dig in deeper. Michael sounds like we might be able to hear you now. If you wanted to add anything. Maybe not ask you again. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. Up and over one mountain into a valley. Okay. Sorry, Michael. Carolyn anything that we should be following else from housing and homelessness or Carol from JC JC. Yeah, little updates before. The shortage of housing stock that gets from the housing committee and I think that's what the major focus is that we pulled a lot of units out of rental, and they're being used as Airbnb's. And the other thing is because of the shortage of housing. The families whose children have grown up and moved away. Our downsizing because there's no place for them to move and that's why, even though the population of Montpelier has gone down. There's no increase in the available housing is because the kids who got that this is dropped, and then the parents aren't moving. So there's kind of a gridlock going on there. And then from the homelessness task force. The major concern is dealing with the immediate problem of the unhoused and things like with facilities and things will be afforded to them. They're time runs out, which is July 1 they're being given $2,500 in cash so they can continue to rent at the hotel and for that money runs to use it up. Some are moving into cars, some will be using tents. So the homeless people homelessness task force is doing things like putting together tents and whatever it takes to live out of doors for that part of the population. The other part of it is to make sure that they get fed and get appropriate medical support they needed. So it's sort of emergency thing that's a little longer term, which is you probably read about with Samaritan acquiring twin. I don't remember the last thing the motel over on the Barry Montelia road and that's kind of working its way through the permitting process and so forth. And so they're able to increase some of their beds that was that facility will be a little bit more transitional, but you still have this immediate problem that if you can move the immediate problem into transitional there's still no place for them to go afterwards, you can give them housing vouchers but there's no housing. And so so there's kind of this cascading event going on that the homelessness task force is focused on and the housing committee is to a certain extent I mean they're they're broader scope. So, you have not just the low income you have, you know, more moderate income people who also can't get housing. So it's a problem and I think the housing group is focused on doing the column 80 years but additional housing units. They're kind of looking at that as a way of perhaps increasing the housing stock that people, you know, we put on a tiny house, or would modify some aspect of their existing buildings to have another housing unit in there, they're looking at trying to incentivize that to increase the stock. So, you know, it's, it's difficult, it's, but it's not unique to Montpelier. I mean, you're seeing this all over. So, so like today we'll have a meeting and I think we'll focus on things like getting walkers so people can put there's the people on the street can put their possessions in there so they won't get stolen. Now there's a lot of aspects to dealing with it. And so anyway, there's a lot of intense focus on dealing with that immediate July 1. Thanks, Carolyn. Any other city committee report backs. I'm actually so the council did just approve a public restroom committee to discuss public access to to restrooms. And so that might be something that's interesting to this group really talking about the equity of access and who it's for. So, there is the application they're taking applications now will be looking at that I guess we won't be looking at that to accommodate folks until the 21st, but it's up and open if anyone is interested in sort of weighing in on that discussion. You don't have to join it to be present at the meetings but I thought it would be sort of something up y'all's alley. I thought it was funny that I've been focused on it from the homelessness perspective. So I go to my senior exercise class senior meaning old ladies. Yeah, so is this is this proposed to be like a short term thing or no long term long term solution to this problem. Yeah. Long term solution I guess the committee would the committee just like look at getting bathrooms and then and then, you know, be a short term committee is that yes, yes, yes, please review committee kind of thing. Okay. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Okay. I'm just thinking about the bathrooms. I feel that way to so. Portourists who come into town. It's like, really cool. Because we're going to get tourist again. Hey. Okay. Creative Discourse Survey results in city council presentation. So I think as I you know had said just briefly we were initially thinking that the presentation would be on July 1. The updated, you know, report and presentation from creative discourses, but when we met last month, you know, Keisha had kind of given the presentation and we had provided, you know, oral feedback and that, you know, she is now going to be making that presentation to the police review committee to be able to incorporate their feedback and as well as being, you know, circulating it out to other folks who, you know, participated in the surveys and interviews and things like that. And getting their feedback and we were initially on this like really short timeline trying to get it all done by June 30 and kind of with the police review committee being pushed back and like everything else just that that whole timeline has been, you know, just totally thrown out of whack. And so, yeah, I'm not sure if there's if I don't think there's any like update to, you know, to share and to, to discuss here, besides maybe the July 21 meeting that's coming up and and so I don't, yeah, but that that also feels really far away and so I guess. Yeah, I didn't come prepared for what like my questions are here. Do we want to, you know, instead meet before the July 21 meeting to review it again do we want to just dive right into the presentation to this the council, like what yeah. What is the next step here. Will it be, sorry, will it be different than the last presentation they gave to us. If it will be same then we can just listen to them the real, not the real but final final. And hopefully they'll like incorporate changes from that workshopping that'll probably be pretty similar. I don't think they're that's I think why we wanted you know in case there was anything, and you like any surprising changes. You know based on other people's feedback or anything like that. But I don't think so Cameron do you. I don't I mean I don't think it's going to be different, dramatically different, but I'd love if they could come to y'all's next meeting and present before. Since that was the day they thought they were going to do it anyway it'd be nice to give some time for feedback we don't like late you know what I mean, if something, because last time there was some wording issues that were unclear that we asked for clarity for and that kind of stuff. Does that make sense. If they can't they can't but it'd be nice. Yeah. I mean when I think that would be great. Like one thing I'm wondering so you know like they come to counsel present, it would be great if we had some kind of at least like here's maybe not like, we're not going to have time to totally figure it out but I feel like it like raises a bunch of issues but doesn't really have solutions yet and so it's like what are the next steps from it like we can present all of this feedback we got. And then like what's the plan to actually try to take actions based on it like there's some kind of clear ones and then some that will just like I think take a good amount of work to figure out okay how do we address this issue that was raised and like. So I guess. Just thinking from like a sitting on council perspective like what are the next steps and like it's not up to creative discourse to do that I think it's our ball to pick up and move down the field or whatever analogy you want. So I guess like that piece would be great if like we could have something prepared of like okay here's here's the next steps that we see or even if it's just as simple as like. We're planning to take this and come out with some like specific like concrete actionable recommendations that we want to bring forward to counsel in the coming months or something. But I just don't want to like be like okay here's all these issues and then like let it drop for like a few months or something. Okay, how do we use it to build interest and momentum to get some things done. To me I always saw that we would we would try to get it in our strategic plan. Right. Like, we would look at their suggestions, put those as initiatives and put them forward to you guys during our. creation of the strategic plan this year. And here's what departments would be able to do what here's the timelines we think it would take. Where do you want to prioritize them. Here's the funding that we think it would take. So that's how I saw it as like the next steps and that's just me trying to think of how to operationalize this is that's how I saw that working. Do you have any, I mean, if that's not how I should be thinking about it. Please tell me now, you know what I mean like, that's how I was planning on presenting it to how to build it out in what we do here to y'all as counsel. I mean, I think that sounds great I guess like my. I'm trying to remember because it's been a while since I've like seen the presentation. I feel like my impression of it was like, it raised a bunch of issues and didn't necessarily have like and here's how you solve it so I'm like how much work are we putting on you all a city staff to try to like think through how to address a lot of the issues raised versus like some of like us or other committees. I just pulled it up here. Oh great to refresh our refresh our memory because I know I needed to because it's been a month. So like this, the, they did have these kind of like ideas for change that you know we did talk about on the last meeting so I'm here one sec. Can folks see that. I can even allow briefly for Michael here as well so like they have operational so accommodations that for at meetings for people with disabilities improve the website conducted anti racism trainings keep remote meeting participation office options, bathrooms, relational improved communication and outreach targeted to underserved populations acknowledging receipt of communication to city counselors, continue to learn what people need structural address housing issues and discrimination toward people experiencing homelessness, review and revise policies to help people with homelessness, hire more women and BIPOC staff for city services and then there's you know policing which I'm going to slip over right now. Because, yeah, so I think that's like the main main pieces here. Can I get a copy of this. Yeah, this is the draft. And so, and just we're like that wasn't distributed widely, but I can forward this to Caroline. Yeah. So like seeing that being refreshed on what they were like, obviously some seem like right up you and your team's alley to like have, you know, like pretty tangible specific recommendations. So maybe it's like figuring out which of these either there's, you know, the homelessness task force that's doing some of that work and like, how are each of these like what's the group is it you and your team, or is this something where it would be helpful to like help think through it or is there another city committee that's working on it, like the bathroom access. Now we have a whole committee. I think some of these are really. Some of the honestly some of these things are outside of our capacity to do. They just really are like we don't, we don't do housing we don't address housing but we do have partners that do right. So we would pass on to like the housing task force which exit, you know, that's what I was thinking is like who you're right like who would do what, and how do we get that done. Ultimately though, even if it's something is given to committees. It's up to us to make sure that it happens right. So, it would just be something I'd have to think through. And I just want to like make sure we're not just dumping on you and overwhelm staff to try to figure out things when we if we have committees like in stuff that you know or like where who might have capacity to like be thinking through what are the actions that could come out of the issues that they lifted up. Right. So, which probably yeah it's like a combination. Yeah, so I think that makes total sense. I don't know how does that sound to you Shayna, like, try to think through the right kind of lead for different pieces of this I mean assuming that city council. And as Cameron said would like put this kind of package as a strategic planning priority. Yeah, and I mean I think we can almost do that. Like right now and this may be something that we could share back to creative discourses before the meeting so that they yeah because I mean I'm just looking at this you know great accommodations for meetings with people with disabilities. Yeah, it's a BDA task force, improve website, I think that's on staff right like those is yeah they're working on getting you know, working on website updates anyway, anti racism trainings. Maybe that's something that CJAC can like be the accountable partner here or created discourse. Remote meeting participation option that's like Cameron bathrooms we have that committee. We have that organization and outreach that's like, yeah who would kind of be the person to hold that accountable. We are paying the capital area neighborhoods groups the can networks. Yeah, that is something that we can work with them on. I think city counselors to acknowledge receipt of emails and things. Continue to learn what people need I think that CJAC and run in this work and everyone on housing and homelessness task force for those review and revise policies during equity lens and then hiring more women and BIPOC staff those are like hiring more women and BIPOC staff that's on staff honestly. And then the policy is I think that's, you know that as a committee we've been coming up with structures to support doing that and it's just about, you know, following through and holding that accountable. Does that all sound great. Yeah. That was like that aligns a lot with my thinking on that Shayna thank you. And so, should we just like connect with, you know, I don't know if we as a committee need to connect with Kasia before but I'm just like connect with, you know, her before presentation of city council to, to line that out outline. Yeah. Well if, if, if we're meeting, hold on let me put the calendar. And I'm going to stop sharing so that I can send this to Caroline real quick. So I'm going to be sharing the department heads and such our meeting with creative discourse. Next Monday, the 28th. So all of my department heads and staff some staff are meeting with them on the 28th to go over those recommendations and talk about them. So that is maybe if you don't mind, we'll as staff start to talk to them about our capacity and where we see these things going. And this case will be there. So we can take the ideas that y'all just shared and share it with them like, here's who we think is an appropriate person. Do you agree do disagree do you want to see it all handled within staff or you are comfortable with us saying committees do that work. They're better equipped to do that work. It's an already scheduled time to talk to them about it. And then we as a group could come back together and talk about it on the 7th. Which is your next scheduled see Jack. How does that sound to her folks. I'm just writing this out for myself. So, yeah, the staff will look at this come up with that plan for next steps come back together on the 7th for that scheduled see Jack meeting with a proposed plan for next steps. So we do have any updated language from see Jack to look at that as well. Can I get a thumbs up or something looks like people are reading on their screens. Okay. Okay. Yeah, great. Thank you Cameron. Doing the heavy lifting as per use. It's okay. Did someone speak up. No, this one Cameron was coughing. Okay. And fundraising recruitment, other business, including in person meeting. Oh, go ahead Michael, you did speak up. Maybe last year again Michael, my goodness. Okay, well just jump in and we will go go. Can you hear me now. Yes, yeah. So who's the question for Cameron. Honestly, Michael, I don't know what my timeline is on that. I'm sorry, I just don't know where we're still in a really big budget crunch. So I don't really have one, but maybe if we have, I mean, so I don't know. We can talk offline about that if you don't mind. Just, I know it's the next step, but I just don't know. I haven't contacted any of the people that I mentioned. So it's definitely on my radar. It's just not something that I can pay for right now. So it might be pulling together as many free resources as I can. Content to let that go. Don't let it go too far. I've got to have somebody keeping me honest, right. Okay. And we may have lost you again Michael, sorry. Okay. Okay, well, I'm going to move us back to the next thing on our agenda and finish up seeing quick. So for fundraising for recruitment for other business, we lost Michael officially got that real dead spot, I guess. Okay. I think we're still on pause for additional fundraising and recruitment as we finish out figure out what is CJ's role and responsibilities are in this next phase. So I think maybe July 7 when we come back together that will be more a piece of that agenda or maybe, you know, maybe August after the July 21 city council meeting. Does anyone have anything to say about the fundraising or recruitment. And so in other business, including the city opening back up and in person meetings. Cameron, do you want to, I don't know if you shared that email with everyone. So, yeah. Yeah, that was just I just sent an email to department chair or committee chairs so the issue is is that now that the state of emergency is over meeting purely on zoom is no longer legal really. And so that's why you see Montpelier City Hall council chambers here. So I have the doors open for folks if they want to walk in and participate that way. And that's legal and fine as long as both places are warned. So either folks are encouraged to come back in full or do this sort of hybrid model. But you can't be purely on zoom anymore. We are opening fully back up all of our city buildings on the 6th of July. And so yeah, do folks want to make an intention of trying to start meeting in person or do it can we can we do that do want to continue doing this hybrid model. Maybe we'll say for the July 6 July 7 meeting, and then reconsider after that because recognizing that things are going to continue to change. And Cameron, is it. I guess my, I was assuming like we're going to try to keep some kind of remote option for a lot of meetings or it seems like most of the committee is on part of what want to keep that even if like the groups meeting in person that there was people could still zoom in. Yes, somehow. Yeah. Yeah, we have that laptop in the city council chambers and we have some other laptops and some of our department are council room committee rooms. Oh my gosh, what is the word I'm looking for conference room. Yes, thank you I was like it's one of them conference rooms. And so we have the ability to put up laptops and a lot of our staff have laptops to be able to facilitate having a hybrid meeting, wherever you want to be at. You want to be at. I mean so it's up to you this works fine, like if this is something you want to do I recognize. And I think this is an interesting turn and I wonder, I wonder, this is no this is not like I've heard anything but I wonder if laws might become more flexible in the way to allow things like this and not have to have up to school space open, but I don't know. It's not the way it is now but this works fine as long as I'm present, or, or a member of the committee is present. If heaven forbid I ever take a vacation, then that then as long as someone is physically present at where the meeting has been warned at, then it's fine. Okay, hearing is continue with virtual meeting. Encourage Cameron to take vacation and will continue the conversation as we move forward. Carol, did you come up here. Yeah, I was just thinking about, you know, we are going to be going back to to in person meetings for our panels and our posts of teams. And we've already started meeting in person for our staff meetings again. Well, we never had done staff meetings but we started doing. So I'm just thinking about the, you know what I think I heard Lauren talking about was the quality of the conversations that you have. So I, and I think what it has to do with sometimes is the relationships that you're building when you're actually in person with other people. And believe me that, you know, I live an hour away so so the convenience for me to meet on zoom is really helpful, but at the same time I think that's really something to consider, especially if we're being sensitive to, you know, an equitable and and fair opportunity for people because I think people respond in different ways and they need different things and they have different learning styles so just something to put out there, you know, if this committee is going to continue into the future that there's consideration for that part of of meeting and you know again it's it's much more convenient to do it on zoom but I think those things are worth considering. And I'm not part of the committee I sit in because I have an interest in this work and it and you know what I'm learning about impacts, how we're going to keep doing our work. You know, for the city as a department of the city so you know take that for what it's worth. I was wonder if, like, looking at agendas if we should be a little bit flexible and be like with is this the kind of conversation where like in person, it might be good or like aiming for like, once a month but not the every two weeks. Like, you know, some, some mix as you know as long as we're maintaining. I was also thinking like for the summer I, I guess just speaking for myself I feel like I'm going to be in and out a lot so I'm like, I love the remote option, although like I'd love to like host a barbecue or something and have you all over and thank you for all the volunteer work you're doing and like get to actually see you all in person. I don't know if like maybe something in the short term like try to get together like once the summer in person, but keep doing remote for our week by week. Yeah, we should have options. So hybrid seems better. I think for lots of reasons. My other question. Are we meeting once a month. What is the legal thing or we should we meet every two weeks. Y'all can schedule whatever you want to. Okay. We have some committees that meet twice a year. Mm hmm. Okay, because now work will start right and I will be teaching in person and everything so I was wondering how can I arrange my timeline so so we decide as a comedy. Okay, thank you. Yeah and we also set this 830 to 10am timeline, like years ago at this point being like we know this time is stupid and does not work for a lot of people. And like it's what works for this crew. And so also recognizing that as we're inviting in as we like transition to like doing the work and what that looks like and inviting and new people like we might need to change this at 830 morning and like make a different meeting schedule plan to, to make sure that our time and our, our space is more welcoming so. Yeah, but we just haven't been having been prioritizing that. So what I'm hearing is July 7. I'm like pulled out my calendar here July 7 will meet in person and not my God, I can't do this. July 7. We're meeting on zoom and honors to honor calendar is like review what the city staff have been working on and make a proposed plan for next steps it'll probably also be a pretty fast meeting. And then on the 21st is when the city is the two weeks later that's when the city council meet is meeting that night and so we'll just kind of like make a final review and any like final last minute stuff there. I don't think we're inviting creative discourses to that meeting but we can. If they're available and and then the next thing after that is potentially maybe have a not meeting in person barbecue or something in the month of August. So am I capturing all of that. Cool. All right. What anything any other business or camera and yeah you can. Awesome. Okay. Well, thank you all I don't think we really have much homework or like don't have anything to do between now and July 7 except for Cameron who has everything to do so. Great. See you guys then. Yeah. Thanks everyone. Thanks y'all. See you back on.