 Another running theme that I heard was that I've been to the farm where they produce the cheese and they let the calf stay with the mother and I'm like, okay, yeah, I see that. So I said, like, what happens to the mother when she no longer produces milk for the farmer like and becomes a nuisance? Do they go to the slaughterhouse? Well, I don't know about that. I said, okay, yeah, yeah, well, you know, that's the process. There's a fire inside your hut. And the cows are all, they're sexually abused as well to make it even more sick. Perverted. It's a word for it. How is everything going, Cristiano? Have some good conversations? Yeah. Yeah. So I've had some really good conversations. Again, she just started activism. It's really amazing, like, vegan starting activism. It's good. It's just as nearly as good as that. It's actually better than turning someone vegan because you can turn 1,000 people vegan with an activist. Yesterday I was talking with Yolanda about karma points. You know, when you turn someone vegan or vegetarian. Like, you earn some karma points, I guess. When you turn it, when you turn people into activists, though. Like, it multiplies. By 1,000. Exactly. Where's my karma points? When are they coming? I'm still waiting. No, only joking. God. Yeah. This is all plant-based. Made from plants, vegan, vegetarian vegetables. Everything from vegetarian. Everything from vegetables. Yeah. No, oh, vegan. No, animal. No, no. I can taste one of these. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is sausage. Fromage. Good conversation. Some even better than I had yesterday on AV. Just different, a different type of conversation, you know. Scented around food. You've just got a different vocal point than the cruelty. That's just, you know, if you can get good tasting food without harming animals, why wouldn't we? Positive reinforcement. Yeah, exactly. Interesting. This is a great... You can't tell the difference? It's with... Spices, herbs? Spicy, yes. Yeah, salty, spicy. I don't go all positive about the taste. You know, you need a good blend. A good blend. But no one died. No one is murdered. No one is killed. No, no, no. No animals slaughterhouse. No slaughterhouse. No slaughterhouse. No blood and no organs. No organs, just plants. Better for the environment, better for the animals. Yes, yes, yes. Look at animals. And also for health. Better for health? Much better for health. For your heart? For your heart, only fat. You know the heart disease? No. Number one killer of human beings on earth. It's not due to vegetable fat. It's due to animal fat. Cholesterol? Yes. In animals? Bad colors. It's bad fat. Bad fat. Animal fat. Collects in your heart and arteries? Vegetable fat. Yeah. Quite better. So the animals they suffer and then the human beings eat and then they suffer with heart attack? I do understand. Yeah. I stopped eating. Animal. I stopped eating animal. Good work. Very, very positive. Yeah, no, it's cool. We're actually on this street because they sell lots of cheese and animals and we're just promoting a compassionate way of eating. A different way. No one was harmed. No. Yeah, we've got vegan foie gras. Obviously foie gras is they force feed the animals and cut their liver out. Yeah. You told me about that last night. But all animal products are inherently cruel and slaughterhouses only exist because we eat animal products and cheese and people actually don't connect the cheese to a slaughterhouse. No. But this whole slaughterhouse is dedicated to slaughtering dairy cows when they don't produce milk anymore. I do know that. Recently I stopped it. I think for health it could give a lot of improvement. And also I slimmed down doing this 12 kilos in four months. Wow. Amazing. I did not come back. Wow. Stay off. It has been one year. That's amazing. It has not been back due to don't eat meat. Meat? Wow. You're from the country. Yeah, I grew up on the farm. On the farm. For what reasons? It's just too cruel. It's too cruel. It's too cruel. I mean you load 10,000 sheep on a ship and you take them, you know, three weeks through the ocean. So they're suffering. And they suffer. And people forget that when you transport animals for slaughter they lose two, three kilos. Yeah. And drop their weight so fast. Do you think... So it's the suffering that... It's suffering. It's cruel. I mean, and sheep can die just out of fry. Like they'll just drop it. They're scared. They're scared. They will literally just die out of fry. And that is cruel. They've mentioned that being like... I just don't agree with live exports. So in Australia we slaughter the sheep as well. Like before they go on... So they hop on a truck, they go to the slaughter house. They go to the kill floor. And they're prodded onto a kill line. And they are decapitated. And in those last moments of them, you know, suffering in their own blood. I would still say that that's suffering. Oh, yeah. 100%. Yeah. So like for the same reasons, like live export is bad. I would say eating lamb chops in Australia is still morally... It's still... Yeah, it's pretty cruel. I'm not going to... But there's like a spectrum of cruelty. You're saying there's... They're going to suffer for three weeks on a boat and then be murdered. But in Australia they only suffer for that 10 minutes. It's still... They're both still very cruel. But I'm probably more about... Like I don't agree with live export. I don't think as a first world country we should be doing that. Like we just don't agree with that at all. But that's just... That's just my opinion. So then you would agree that animals deserve moral treatment then? Oh, shit, yeah. Yeah. So in a slaughter house, I would say that that's sort of inconsistent with moral treatment. Like even your own standard, like they deserve moral treatment. But when we put them in a slaughter house... Oh, yeah. Yeah. So that's what like veganism basically is. Red meat. No, no, no. Chicken, sometimes I cheat. It happens because it's so often chicken. Normally you don't like chicken also, huh? We don't kill birds or... You don't kill any... Anyone. Yes, birds. Anyone. Anyone. And birds are someone. Fish. Fish are someone. Yes. And they suffer, they're hooked out the ocean. They, you know... But eggs. What's about eggs? Eggs. Eggs are interesting because they breed the chicks, okay? The males don't lay eggs. So they'll be disposed of by the egg industry. They usually put them in a big blender in their first day of life. They kill them. They kill the males. The females, they'll produce eggs. Okay? And when they can't produce eggs for the farmer anymore, they're useless. So they go to the slaughter house and they're killed. So same process. Unethical. And we don't need eggs and they're high in cholesterol. Yes. Very high in cholesterol, bad for your heart. Bad for the animals. So yellow over there. Yeah. So we stay away. Choose compassion. You're a good man, aren't you? So... Choose compassion. Yeah. It's like... Have you been a vegan like your entire life or is there something that... No way. I used to eat so much meat, all the... Every single meal. It's ingrained in this culture. Bacon, eggs for breakfast. Nearly every morning, huge omelettes and then I have chicken flesh and then I eat steak and I wouldn't even ever connect it to the animal. No. No. Even while I was... You asked me where animals come from. I'd say, oh, cow. But I never connected it with someone. Yeah. Like some animal probably had their own personality. Probably terrified on the way to the slaughter house, got killed. Didn't do any of that connection. Yeah. Now I bore witness inside slaughter houses, out the front of slaughter houses, meet all the animals before they're killed. Yeah. And I have the connection. Yeah. Which is something we all lose, I think. 100%. 100%. Yeah. No, it improves my health. Good. So being kind has improved your health. It did. There we go. I just have to go a little further. Really, it's like the deadline. Don't take even one gram. Don't take one gram. But I've done a lot of it. You don't miss out on anything from... Don't miss out on any flavor from... You don't miss out on any flavor or any taste. Beans and legumes and nuts and seeds and fruits and vegetables, pasta. It's just the meat, though. Well, the non-meat, actually. And you know, do you hang out in Australia a lot? Is that where you spend most of your time, Australia? We live in London now. Are we living in the UK now? Dude, I'm a UK citizen as well. I spend heaps of time in the UK. UK is one of the mechers for plant-based vegan stuff everywhere. Yeah. So... The Club and Commons got vegan places out there. There's an app called Happy Cow. Yeah. What you could do, possibly, is... There's a challenge that we recommend to people, and it's free, and it's on Facebook, and it's called Challenge 22. Challenge 22. Yeah. So if you go Challenge 22 on Facebook, and it will come up, and you can do a little three-week challenge and see if you can eat plant-based for those three weeks. Yeah. And then, like, there's a little forum so you can go, oh, look, I'm in the UK. Yeah. Where do I go? Yeah. Tesco, Sainsbury's have vegan options galore. Yeah. Where is that going to start? It's just ingrained meat. But you come to France. It's ingrained cheese and meat. You go to Asia. Yeah. Everywhere, yeah. Like, every single culture has baseline meat-eating ingrained. Yeah. But no one really has the connection between the animals, the suffering and blood in the slaughterhouse, and the plate. It's always happy farm plate. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's not how it goes. It's not happy farm butchered in slaughterhouse. Yeah. You're eating the remains of someone who didn't want to die. That's okay. She took me. Oh, don't do me a bad word. No, you're famous now. You're famous. I have no time to do it, but she did it. It's good. You can be a good spokesman. You can be a good spokesman for plant-based, healthy, helping animals. But it's my experience. Yeah. Nobody told me. You should see for yourself. It's the way to go. Yeah. That's excellent. Now I go to sport before. 300 metres. No energy. Can't run. Yeah. Now 800 metres. Oh, I don't feel. Full of energy. I don't feel. Amazing. No, because there's no body parts in here. But I am lucky. My wife is cooking vegetables all the time. All the time. Lucky. No fat. Because vegetables with fat is the same with oil. It's the same problem. For health, it's not good. But for the animals, oil is okay. As long as there's no animals. But if you want to be healthy as well, you cut out the oil. You want to be ethical? Cut out the animals? Just leap over consumption. Oh, it's just documentary in the U.S. And something like 30,000 pcs is slaughtered every day. No one needs to eat that much food. I think even one. Think about my dog at home. If someone killed that one animal, I would feel like that was a massive injustice. So 30,000 is horrible. But even one. If it's not necessary for me to stab the pig to death and kill them for their body and the pig wants to live. That one injustice for that poor animal, that one soul, when I could have eaten this sausage. So we just feel like it's so unnecessary. We're not starving. We're not trying to survive. We have all these other options. Yeah, more ethical ways. Thanks for... So what was it called again? Challenge 22. I was going to say Judge 22 there. Challenge 22. Peace. Interesting. One from a farm, one from Adelaide, and they live in London. London's a mecca for vegan stuff. We'll see how they go. You never know. They could be new vegans. And yeah, that's good. Well, I am going to ping pong, huh? Have good fun. Take care. Really nice to talk to you. Take care, my brother. You speak a good English. I'm from Australia. Mate. Cheers, mate. This is my mate. Cheers, buddy. Well, he's like so healthy from just cutting out some of the animal products. And I think we just gave him that push to cut out all of the animal products, which is what he needed. See, some people are almost already there, and if you give him that little push in the right direction, he's going to go off and he's so motivated. So motivated. And he's going to be a good spokesman for this message. So let's just hope that that seed flourishes into something amazing. You know, handing out food is... I guess people's senses going, they go, wow, this tastes good and murder tastes bad. Murder feels bad. This tastes good. Compassion tastes good. But the slaughterhouse footage should leave a bad taste in their mouth and the vegan cheese should leave a good taste in their mouth.