 Telephone conversation between President Johnson and Senator Everett Dirksen on November 29, 1963, at 5.10 p.m. Senator Dirksen, 2191. Good on that uniform of yours. Relax, you're about to eat your day one breakfast. United States, Florida, Paris. Everett? Yeah. This thing's been heating up here on this investigation. Yeah. And I've got the House to agree not to do anything, and after I talked to you, I'd already talked to Jim in the Senate and wouldn't do anything if I had a point of special commitment. Now here's a commission I'm thinking about a point. Yeah. And I didn't want to do it unless, until I talk to you, I don't want this repeated because I haven't even got my orders drawn. Yeah. And it's going to take some time, but I'm going to ask the Chief Justice to go on it. Yeah. Because the country needs a high judicial officer to evaluate this report. Yeah. I thought I'd invite Dick Russell and maybe John Sherman Cooper. They kind of offset each other. Now, unless you had any objections to it, I thought I might name Hale Boggs and Jerry Ford, a couple of fellas over in the house, and then get Alan Dulles, maybe John McCloy, generally. Now, I don't want that to get out to a human because I haven't talked to these people. And I can't, I've got to talk to you. I want to, I want you a real counsel because I thought that this would be a pretty acceptable group judicial-wise. I talked to Russell. He didn't want to take it, but he will. I'm going to make him do it. I'm just going to order them all to do it and let them get in. Let me make one suggestion. What about John McCall? Well, he's in government in CIA. And I'm John McCloy. I think it would be a little better. Yeah. It's a question of calling him a knowledgeable guy. Well, he and Hoover, it'll give them all the information you got, you see. Yeah. Same reason I haven't got Hoover on him. They'll make a veil on him. Same thing, huh? I don't know. They'll learn. The other thing they'll guide. They'll guide. Okay. I'll be with you. Okay, now, I'm going to protect my pranks.