 So you are giving this because you don't want people eating meat but here you have this oil file which is really bad because in Indonesia they destroy the forest, the rainforest to do this palm tree forest instead, burning the forest and you are giving this What did you think of what you've seen on the screen, you already talked about it but how did it make you feel to see that to the animal? I don't have any feeling for the animals You don't feel for them? No, I told you you are going to be disappointed No that's okay, some people don't, some people don't But would you agree that if it's not necessary to do that to them to survive then? No this is our responsibility to check what we are buying and what we are putting in our plates and I'm against such kind of mass production of course, I'm against that's why I stop eating meat regularly and when I have to buy meat I check where the meat is coming from So there's no cruelty in the meat? It's not what? So there's no cruelty, you check if there's no cruelty Exactly Do you think because the animal was killed that the act of killing the animal itself is cruelty? Like taking the animal's life? No we have to We have to? We have to, to survive Not to survive, it's not a question of survival, it's just a question of the need of the body The need? The need So what do we need from the body? We need calcium, we need iron, we need, and this cannot be provided by the plants Where does the animal get the calcium in the iron from in their body? Like where does the cow get the iron and the calcium from? No The in their body, the nutrient, how do they get the in their body? Do you know? From the plants They are vegetarian So if all the protein and iron and calcium originally We don't have the same need as a cow, as a human being Well let's just say, well I've been vegan for 4 years Like healthy blood tests, I can get protein and iron But you are young? Yeah we can So I'm pretty young, I'm 50 And I know I've got anemia Anemia? Yeah And I need to eat meat regularly For iron? For iron And it's not because of plants So there is a legend saying that in the plant, in the cruciform You can find the iron that we need It's not true, the body is not able to assimilate this iron coming from cruciform Who said the scientist? The scientist Have you seen any of the science into plant based diet? How it's reversing our number one killer, heart disease? Oh you've seen what it's doing to heart disease, reversing it Plant based diet It's the only diet known to reverse our number one killer, did you know that? I didn't understand So a plant based diet, one that consists of only plants Is the only diet known to reverse our number one killer which is heart disease Which kills more people than war and cancer combined No no no, you are mixing all the problems You are mixing all the problems All this kind of disease are due because people are eating too much And I'm not doing sport and I have a bad life Sportsmen still can get heart disease, it builds up in your arteries It's cholesterol I'm not sure whether it's good to start from one extreme And to finish at the other extreme Vanishing everything coming from animals So I'm not sure I think we have to find the right balance And the human body needs some calcium, iron and other minerals Coming from animals So what we have to do is just to check how these animals are produced How these products are produced in order to be... What if there's a possibility that you can be healthy as a vegan? Have you looked into this? There's about half a million vegans here in Israel So I will be probably not anymore on this earth to see in 50 years If we're still alive? You will probably be still alive, but in which condition? Let's just say we can get healthy blood tests and show you that we're getting calcium and iron and protein Would that make you go, wow, I didn't know that you could get calcium from plants? Would you be surprised if you could find healthy vegans? Yes You'd be surprised? I will How about if I gave you information on health and you looked into it because you're a biologist And you looked into it and you'd seen, wow, there's science to back up a vegan diet And then would you think it's not necessary to kill animals for food if we're not doing it for health? Like if you find out, we don't need to I will You would say it's not necessary? I will maybe reconsider my position Wow That is amazing because I'll show you right here There's this new documentary, it's called What the Health It's here Yeah And they present the science, okay? Yeah And below is nutritionfacts.org Yeah Now this guy, all he does is he goes into the scientific literature Yeah And he pulls out peer-reviewed journals You know what peer-reviewed it? Yeah Yeah, he pulls out peer-reviewed journals and he gives you all the information that there is In the scientific literature on plant-based diets and what they do for our health So what is your opinion concerning the palm tree forest in Indonesia, Malaysia Well I think if we were to talk about the rainforest The number one cause of Amazon deforestation 91% is caused by Cutting down the trees To grow soybeans To feed to livestock so we can eat their bodies So what do you think about having this So eating animals is destroying the rainforest more than palm oil You have a lot of respect for your fight Yeah For the energy that you put in this fight You seem passionate as well and intelligent as well You understand You have logic because you're a biologist You use logic in biology, yeah? And you rely on facts and information, yeah? So if there's facts and information that go against Talk about this chocolate bar So palm oil With palm oil inside So palm oil You are really So there's been one fight for the animals But on the other hand you are giving to everybody Some chocolate bar containing Palm oil plantations are causing tremendous deforestation in the Indonesian rainforest It is estimated that palm oil is responsible for 26 million acres being cleared Though, compared to livestock and their feed crops They were responsible for 136 million acres of rainforest lost to date There's palm oil in there and palm oil hurts some animals So maybe you should be more Have you heard this? Veganism is causing the least amount of harm in the society that we have, okay? So instead of like our clothes Things that by existing we cause some amount of harm, yeah? We can't avoid that unless we And your t-shirt was made where? We can't, exactly. We can't avoid some harm on living on this earth To cause the maximum amount of harm by chopping up animals on top of that? No, you have one fight and it's respectable Well this is easy. We're talking about grabbing soy milk instead of dairy milk But I prefer to be more More balanced And be aware of many things like the chocolate bar Even our t-shirt coming from Baguette, Bangladesh We could always get And still having my steak once a month in order not to have anemia But what if you tried veganism for 30 days here on the back? 30 days. That's all you have to commit to it. It's free I'm not going to try your 20 days No, no, no. Okay I'm sorry No, that's okay. You used to be honest. We had a good conversation anyway But maybe look at the health side I will have a look Have a look. Just the health side and see if it changes your mind And if not, there was a good conversation anyway I hope Thank you very much Thank you and take your all time Palm oil chocolate It's not good for the environment And be aware your next fight should be this one as well Yeah, definitely. Once we stop animals going to slaughterhouses Then we can look at other things as well Thanks brother. Thanks mate But you know, we're just saying If it's not necessary There's things obviously that we wear and use that cause harm But this is obvious. It's obvious It's right there. It's a dead body They didn't need to die. They're suffering I don't know I don't know whether it's a good argument to say it's a dead body Oh, the meat isn't a dead body? No, the cow or the chicken So they are dead body, but they need it Oh yeah, but remember we're going to check if we need it You like the taste maybe Maybe you like the taste? No, don't enjoy You don't enjoy? You don't enjoy But I know Wow, you don't enjoy it, but you really do it Because you think you need it for health Because I've got anemia Do you know that dairy inhibits iron absorption? I know It inhibits it? I know So that would be one thing to cut out B12, it's only accepted from meat It's actually bacteria that's found in the grass In their dirt and in water It's not a bacteria B12 is a bacteria? No Yeah It's not a bacteria And it converges to a vitamin Two biologists Where does it originate from? B12 By the cells, by the cells of your body Where does it originally come from? Inside of you Yeah Then why do we need to ingest it? No, you synthesize it So why do we need to ingest it from eating animals? Because your body does not produce much enough And the cow does have it So you can eat a thousand of tons of... Grass does not get enough iron? At the end, the American Theatric Association Which is the biggest health organization Says that there is no difference in anemia rate Between vegans and non-vegans So you get enough iron, that's the fact People can eat meat and still not have enough iron It's absorption, that's the problem Let's make a deal We'll check ourselves We'll do research on B12 You're talking two PhDs Yeah, yeah And you're thinking you're right It doesn't matter If B12 isn't found in the dirt I'll take back everything I've said So take care Eat sometimes a piece of meat And you will see you will be much... I'd rather die of iron deficiency than eat me Okay