 Hello, and welcome to Release Date Rewind. My name is Marc J. Parker, and I am a film lover, filmmaker, film celebrator. And normally, this is an audio podcast, wherever you get your podcasts on your favorite apps. But thanks to Portland Media Center, you are about to watch the video component of this show, where I celebrate movie anniversaries with my friends. Each month, I usually talk about two different movies that I love with different friends, and we talk about the making of the movies, trivia, any fun memories associated with them. So I hope you enjoy, because now it's time to rewind. I am so, so happy to have this little, I was going to say high school reunion, but we actually all didn't go to high school together, because Katie had to move to Florida, more on that in a bit. But a middle school reunion, at least, with a returning guest, Katie Bruno. Welcome back, Katie. Hi. And a new guest, although you've heard her voice in, let's see, the Romeo and Michelle episode, and in the wedding singer episode, very recently, one of my most popular, actually, wedding singer, there you go. Please welcome Jackie Renne. How are you, Jackie? Hi, I'm good. I'm so, it's so fun seeing you. We've already said this offline, but I'm going to say it now that we're recording. So fun to see you as adults. We have not, like, I know we're not face to face, but you know, we haven't actually, like, spoken in decades, right? Right. And it doesn't feel like any time has passed, which is, what's crazy. Like, we've always been, like, consistently in contact on, like, Facebook and Instagram. Oh, absolutely. I love seeing your posts. I love seeing, also, just your fashion, right? Katie, she is very fashionable. Jackie's one of my favorite fashionistas. Oh, my God. Right? She, and that makes sense. You know why Jackie was a voice on Romeo and Michelle and the wedding singer, two very fashionable movies brought to you by Mona May. So, yeah, Jackie, I love seeing your stuff online. I love that you are a fellow movie, TV, nerd, like me and Katie, maybe even more so. I mean, you know your shit. Oh, she's got some knowledge. I know you know it. Yes. This girl's going to, like, chew. Yes. Any time that anybody wants to win, like, trivia, they're like, well, you know what? What's she doing this weekend? Yeah. I love that. That used to be me and now, like, my brain. I don't know. Right? 36. I'm like, oh, what's going on today? What about you? Right? I have to write everything down. I have to save everything to my phone. I'm like, I'm like that old man. Passwords and scheduling. I'm just like, hold on. I got to pull up that folder. Right? But no, I'm so glad you guys are here. Katie had said we got to talk about the Evil Dead because it was on my list. And it's funny because the Evil Dead, as we know, the three of us were talking. Yes, technically, it's 1981. That's when they had their big kind of premiere in Detroit. I think it was. Right. But technically, it wasn't until April 15th, 1983, when it was really unleashed to the American public. Right? It played at the Cannes Festival. It had some different screenings. So it had a while between its premiere and its actual, like, public premiere. You know? So that's why we're saying today, you know, this time is its 40th anniversary. I know that the real Evil Dead people might be like, you know, the 40th anniversary was in 81. But we're just going to say it's now. OK. It's now. You guys agree? Yeah. Yeah. I like to I like to base it off. When was the movie kind of like the widest available? Widest available, six, right? Yeah. You know, so there you go. A little bit of that. But so what's funny is Jackie lives in Florida. Katie used to live in Florida. Katie got out. I escaped. I got the hell out of there. So Jackie. She tried to warn me. She tried to warn you. I like I said, I was that old man at the gas station. Don't go there. It's bad. And she was like, ah, whatever, old man. Yes. She pushed you out of the way. She she sped off in her convertible. But now you get to say I told you so. I did. Yep. Yep. So Jackie, you are I forget. Are you in Orlando or you in West Palm? So I am actually on the treasure coast. So I'm in Port St. Lucy and so I'm kind of in the fun, interesting position of being about an hour from everywhere fun. But I am in a nice beautiful little oasis that, you know, it's nice. It's quiet, but I do have to travel to go anywhere. Cool or fun. So really? No pulling up though in that area. But there's a beach. Yeah, the beach. Finally, we don't have a whole foods yet, but we finally got a fresh market. So yeah, slow down there. Moving on out there. Yeah, no. My parents live near here in Stewart. So it is getting more built up. I will say more breweries. Yeah, I would say that's pretty much what we do on the weekend is like go to the breweries because locally there's really not a whole lot to do. Yeah. Unless you love Eric Clapton, which I don't. You can host us a live music. No, Katie, do your parents love Eric Clapton? Are they going to the shows or no? I think so. I think you're fans. I don't know. I don't want to speak for them. I've never discussed Eric Clapton with them. Yeah, usually you don't. All of my conversations I've had with my parents, but I'm sure they're, I mean, they're boomers. I mean, I'm sure they're fans of his. Yeah, they're probably like, let's go see him again. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Now, Katie, how's it going in Jersey? I know you were saying it's 85 today, which is kind of scary for late April. But you know, we'll take whatever we can get, right? How's life for you going? Good, good. Hitting up wineries and breweries. I'm actually seeing the new Evil Dead tomorrow for a friend's birthday. Fun. OK, good. Oh, you too, Jackie. Are you going together? My brother, and I'm literally 1030 at the AMC. We're going to 7 o'clock for my friend Matt's birthday. Ellen and Matt, who you met, Jackie. Jackie, do you mean 1030 AM or PM? Oh, PM. Oh, OK. I am Evil Dead viewing. I was going to say because I saw the last movie that was in theaters, that amazing remake, reboot, sort of sequel, just called Evil Dead. I saw that with a whole bunch of friends. We took up like a whole row, and we did see it at 1030 and then had brunch after. It was quite a way to wake up. Oh, that's actually a good time. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, that makes total sense. The tickets were cheap. And you know, I, you know me, I just, I can't. A movie like that, maybe I could see with a crowd, but certain horror movies, certain any movies, I'm like, you guys are too noisy. I hear the rappers. I see the phones blinking. I'm like, I need to go crack a dawn with the fellow oldies. And we're just going to be real quiet and just wake up with some good old blood and guts. Let it wash over you and not talk back to the screen. Let me tell you, it would drive you insane watching a movie with me because I'm always like, you know what? Oh, Jackie is that girl. You shouldn't have done that. We'll get to it if we mention Evil Dead 2. I had some stuff to say. Oh, wow. I love it. With certain movies, I'm OK with that. It's like when, like, I think what really started the change for me was seeing paranormal activity three at midnight. And it's getting really, really scary. And oh my God, I was so into it before then. They just got too repetitive. But I was into it and the twist is coming and it's really creepy. And this guy just started shouting things out and the crowd was losing it and laughing and then yelling at each other. I was like, OK, you know what? And that was a long time ago. And that's when I was like, I think movie theaters are maybe not so much in my future. And now, yeah, now I barely go every once in a while. Sauce screen six. Well, there's Sakura in a movie theater. You don't want to yell things. On my own sofa, I'm like, you know what? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, living room. I'll make and comment the whole time. Oh, yeah, I am quickly becoming my mother, where I ask Greg, we're watching anything. He's never seen it before. And I say, are they really doing that? What are they doing? What are they doing? And Greg's like, I haven't seen it before. And I'm like, oh my God, this is what my mom does to me all the time. This is what my mom does, too. Who was that? What are they doing? No, is she going to live? It's like, this is my first time seeing it, too. My mother does that, too. And I'll be like, mom, I don't know. I've also never seen this movie. So I don't know if she lives. We're both seeing it together at the same time. Yeah, no idea. But my mom just thinks I know. And then leave. And I'm like, you're not going to find out. And then she crosses in front of the TV. And you're like, OK, let me pause. Or goes the worst. Goes to wash dishes. And you're like, OK, now I can't hear it. I can't. All right, much longer. We're going to be like, you asshole kids. No, my mom. I'm already her. And she knows that she's the one. She's like, you know what? He's behind the door, you idiot. And you're like, yeah. That's so awesome. And I love that Jackie's back in Jersey at this very moment. So so at least two of you were in Jersey. I'm mentally in Jersey in this moment. We're going back to the old days. And I just got a shout out. So like I said, Katie moved at the end of eighth grade, visited her freshman year of high school. But Jackie and I were in high school together. And I remember Jackie. Do you remember? I want to say it was senior year. We had such a fun study hall. Party 05. Yes. I have not forgotten. Absolutely. It was you, me. Was it Katrina? It was Katrina. And it was Hadley Allen. And I think there was one more Tara. Or Tamara? Tamara Scott, I believe. Yes. I think she was there too. I feel like there were five of us. And we just were like sort of drawn to each other because we might have been the only seniors in this like midday study hall. It wasn't like end of the day when you can like leave early. It was like at 11 AM or something, right? Yes. And yeah, party 05. And I just remember, I feel like I took a picture or pictures of. I have it on my Facebook. Party 05. I do. Oh my god. I just remember like the last week of school, senior year, we were like partying it up, party 05 in study hall. And I feel like one of us brought a cake in. And it was just like for us. Am I making this up? No, no. There is photo evidence of this. And I like, because I remember the picture. My hair was insane. I had curled my hair. And it looked like Shirley Temple. So I put it up into like a messy bun and wrapped a scarf around it. So I look like a crazy person in the picture. But I have such fond memories of that. I remember you talking about like how much you disliked David Lynch and like later on. Not much has changed. I don't hate him. But again, I need explanation. Becky, we'll fight you. But it's funny. It's funny because I'm like, oh, Mark said these are crap. Because all we would do is talk about movies and stuff. And you always have like fun movie ideas. And then I remember like in college, I got really, really into David Lynch. And I'm like, really, these aren't so bad. Oh my god, that's funny. Maybe I should be watching. I'm just super into Twinkies. Give him another chance, Mark. He is like, he's my, and I told Jackie this when I watched Firewalk with me. Which I'm sorry that I suggested it. No, I liked it. But it is my maximum weird tolerance. Like for his movies, like I appreciate them. But they are my maximum tolerance for the weird and bizarre. Because it is, you know, but I enjoy them. Like I like, I do enjoy them. But after that movie, I was like, yeah, that's my limit, I think. Yeah. But like I said, I'd no regrets. No regrets. I'd watch it again. Like, you know, I do like his stuff. And even though I absolutely love Evil Dead 2013, absolutely love it. We'll get into it in a bit. Save your thoughts. I want to hear your thoughts on the whole franchise later on. I absolutely love that movie. It is so gnarly, so scary, so well done. But then that, of course, they had to have a needle in the eye thing. And I'm like, oh, you got to be kidding me. So I'll get there someday with needles. Needles and I just. I didn't get to re-watch it. I watched it a while ago. Yeah. 2013. And I didn't have to re-watch. I really, I might re-watch it tonight. Oh, the tongue, Jackie. See, you're like, that was really gross, but I could handle that. But then the close-up of the needle and the, yeah, we. Eye stuff. Certain limits. Flinch. Now I don't care what people think of me. But you know what? Not as bad as it could have been. That could have been so gross. So much grosser. Yeah. Oh, wow. You are a badass. I love it. All right. Well, good. I'm going to try to be like Jackie. And I'm going to just try to watch something without flinching. I don't know. I know it's fake, obviously. I've made horror films, not nearly as bloody as these. You would think I'd be like, oh, yeah, but it's the sound effects. And that's what it is. Right? It's the ripping. It's the, you know. And the camera angles and the lighting. It just makes it so real. And you're like, what? Oh, yeah, totally. Well, now ladies, we've gone a little bit back in time to college, to high school, to middle school. Now we're going to go all the way back. Let's rewind to the 80s. We are going to April 15, 1983. The Evil Dead goes wide in the US. And the audiences are just loving it. So let me set the scene for you guys. Let me tell you what was going on at that time. Feel free to chime in. This is what was popular. This was the cool stuff, OK? Not so cool. Reagan was the president at the time. But Gandhi had just won Best Picture, the movie Gandhi, still have never seen it. Have you guys? Me neither. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe someday. I'm sure it's delightful. Yeah. If there's no blood and guts. No, Kingsley's fun. I love Ben Kingsley. Yes. He's great. He's a gem. That one Best Picture, Jessica Lang, one for Tootsie, Best Supporting, Meryl Streep, one for Sophie's Choice, which we talked about Katie last time. I still haven't had a chance to see it. One of these days. That's a really feel-good movie. It's a tough watch. It's so much fun. It's a tough watch. I don't do any. OK, so funny that we bring up our limits. I can watch the grossest thing ever. I cannot watch a Holocaust movie. I have never made it through Schindler's List. Or like Sophie's Choice once can't do it. Wow, I have made it through Schindler's List. But oh yeah, that's a whole different level. Yes. OK, well good. At least we know you two have souls. So that's good. We have limits. You have limits. That's good. OK. Now back to what was going on. Music, Billie Jean by Michael Jackson was the top song. Top song for a long time, too. A good amount of weeks. And I thought this was fun, especially for this group. David Bowie's 15th studio album, Let's Dance, was just released a couple days before this. 15th album. Whoa, I didn't even realize he had that many albums. That's crazy to me. And that was 40 years ago. So great. So many more. Whoa, crazy. So I thought that was fun to talk about. R.I.P. On the TV side, I know, R.I.P., Dave. On the TV side, how funny. The Disney Channel had just started in the US. I didn't even know it went back that far. No. But they had just started. And their first show was a show called Good Morning Mickey. So there you go. Total opposite of Evil Dead, Good Morning Mickey. Also on the TV side, Mash, the show Mash, and the show Little House on the Prairie, had just ended about a month or two before this movie came out in theaters. And Laverne and Shirley was about to end. So those were very popular shows at this time. It was kind of fun to kind of like put this movie on, seeing commercials for this movie as Laverne and Shirley. I was going to say Laverne and Shirley on this cover. They were like, oh, OK. Right? Oh, good. And then other popular movies that were happening, that were out at this time. Gandhi was still on the top. Tootsie, even though Tootsie came out around Christmas time, still in the top five. Because back then, people didn't have streaming. It would just keep running, yeah. Movies would just keep running. Absolutely. And not as many came out, I feel like. Yep, not as many. And also, even E.T. from the summer prior was still in the top 10, 15. So we had those. Flashdance had just come out with Jennifer Beals. The Outsiders, do you guys remember The Outsiders? Mac Dillon, Tom Cruise, Rob Lowe, right? That was a big deal. That was popular. But the number one movie this weekend, April 15th, 83, was a movie I've never heard of called Lone Wolf McQuaid. Oh, yeah. It's a, oh, shit. I have heard of that movie. You have? Oh my god. I have never heard of that movie. Who was even in it? Let's see. Lone Wolf McQuaid. I'm going to look it up. I didn't know a thing. And I thought, you know what? I'm not going to look it up. I feel like the title is all we need. But let me see. Lone Wolf McQuaid. I feel like it was probably like a cop movie. Lone Wolf McQuaid. Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris. Move aside, Chuck Norris. We are going to talk about a movie that took what horror was giving with Friday the 13th in the woods, Leatherface, Texas Chainsaw, Friends Going Where They Shouldn't Go, right? This movie takes those kinds of scenarios and just goes even crazier, right? So I'm going to throw it over to you guys. Let's have, how about Katie? You start us off, and then Jackie, you finish. In your own words, explain to us what is The Evil Dead? What's it about? OK. So it's about five friends who go to this cabin that they are renting. They've never seen it, which is always a great start when you've never seen the place you're staying at. Good job, guys. And they go there, and they're like, oh, OK. This is a little rundown, a little sketchy, cool, cool. And then some mysterious things start happening. There's entities about. There's mysterious sounds, and there's, you know, and then hilarious hijinks. Sue, I'll throw it over to you, Jackie, because it's kind of, it's a good plot. That's a good time, yeah. Yeah, it's a really, really simple plot. But I mean, unbeknownst to them, in this cabin was actually, like there was a professor who was doing research on, you know, ancient Sumerian evil text that, you know, they played a tape and unwittingly raised these evil entities that just wreaked havoc. Yes. And they possessed them, and they kill each other. You know, it's funny, rewatching it. It's funny seeing, first of all, I remembered now that the women get to be the bad guys before the guys, before Scotty, which that was fun. And I was wondering, like, what is Sam Raimi saying? Is he saying, like, women are evil or something? You know, I don't know if it's that deep. I doubt it is. I think things that they, like, accuse them of. Oh, yes. OK, see? So it's interesting. I never really caught that, that it's like, oh, yeah, the girls get to have fun right away, like, you know, because I do love how his sister, Cheryl, I mean, it doesn't take long for her to at least start. She's the first one to kind of start seeing scary stuff, you know. Drawing the Necronomaniac. And it's funny, I thought you're really, like, at this cabin with your friends and you're just in your room drawing. OK, but you know. I got something to say about Cheryl. You know, I've been Cheryl. I've been Cheryl. It's like everybody's hooking up and you're just like. Hey, no, I've also been Cheryl. I guess I'm just going to turn on the TV. She didn't have a TV, so she just made the most out of an annoying situation. Yeah, OK. Hey, you're right. You're right. And it's clogged and just. Yeah, I am actually surprised this movie didn't do what horror was doing before it. Showing more like making out. I mean, we do see a quick second of, I believe, it's Shelley's bare boob through the window, right? But there's actually, which I commend, I'm surprised, because they could have easily just, you know, had some make out, some sex scenes. But we actually don't really see that, which is interesting. It is more hinted at. And, you know, there was the really cute kind of scene in the beginning where that it kind of, you know, comes back at the end where they're pretending to have. Yeah, I suppose, legitimately, I thought that was cute on this last rewatch. I'm like, oh, this is kind of sweet. But, you know, all of that between, you know, Ash and Linda and then Shelley and Scotty, like it's all just hinted at. It's not super gratuitous like we're used to. Which I like that too, because it could have gone down the Friday the 13th round. Like all the teens are having sex. Well, first of all, they're not teens. They're college students. So I don't know. It was less of a morality play, you know? Like this is it relied less on like the morality. Like, oh, sex is bad. You're right. Yeah, very true. It wasn't the point at the story. That's an excellent point, Jackie. You're right, because there's not even, like Katie was saying, there's not even the old man at the gas station. Which was in the original script. Did you see the original script that was supposed to be an old man at a gas station? I'm really glad they didn't do that because it was so cliche. Oh, you don't go down to that cab and like literally, and then they decided to not have that. And I really liked that decision because it would have been like every other, you know, or maybe they did different, I don't know. They subverted a lot of expectations. Even just how they handled the, you know, the zombie, you know, that just that whole genre was not what it was until this came along. This has a whole new set of rules, a different mythology. I, you know, it's a lot of, it was a lot of firsts. Yeah. Yeah, it did a lot of things different. Yeah, really, what are they guilty of? They're just guilty of, like Katie said, which is such a great point. I forgot they've never seen this cabin. They haven't, they haven't seen a picture. They didn't scope it out before. They did not Airbnb it. They did not go on the Airbnb website and look at the cabin and go, hey, guys, I don't know about this. They didn't review the stars. They just were like, this guy's renting it. Let's go, right? So maybe that's, ultimately it's like, make sure you do your research, right? I guess that's like the moral of the story. But there's, you're so right. There's nothing to do with like sex or drugs. I don't even know if they are drinking. I assume they're drinking like at dinner. So there's, they had scenes, they have one scene that originally when they were playing the tape recorder, they were all the smoke marijuana. And they actually, they're like, oh, let's do it for real. Did you read that? Yes. But they had to retake it because everyone was so out of control. No, they got so messed up. They got so messed up. That would be me. Yeah. I just imagined, I was like, that's really cute. That's so fun. So there was going to be that and then they decided to do it differently. Which again, I think was good because it could have so easily gone into the sex, drugs and alcohol thing. Look at these bad people that like, you know, I liked that it didn't go that route. You know, like every other horror movie was doing at the time. What's this place like anyway? Well, the guy that's retting it says it's an old place. A little run down, but it's right up in the mountains. Well, it might not be that bad. Actually, it might be kind of nice. I love how Cheryl is, they trap her in the cellar and she is so scary when she's, you know, banging and like. Yeah, I love that whole piece. Right, she's phenomenal. I think she and the actress playing Linda. I mean, they are committed. I actually wrote that down. Ellen Sandel voice is amazing as Cheryl. And I'm so glad to see her come back for Ash. Ash, she looks great. She's amazing. Did she come back as her character? Yeah, it was phenomenal. Yeah, it was a very interesting way in how they did it. But she's a legitimately good actress and it's just she never kind of got out of that, like, you know, super raid, homegrown kind of thing. And she never went anywhere, but she could have. I think that she had, you know, excellent instincts like everything that she did. I'm like, wow, this is such a nuanced performance for a horror movie. Oh, yeah, especially for this kind of horror movie where it's so loud and garish and, you know, yeah. Tlocky, yeah. But I thought it was funny how like, so the other, you know, possessed friends can sort of disappear for a second. Like, oh, they're not there and then just appear. But Cheryl's just always stuck in the basement. And I thought, wow, it is surprising that they didn't let her have like the power to, you know, they lock her in the cellar, but then she can just bust it open. She can just appear over here. She's always trapped there. So I thought that was interesting. Cause, you know, Linda, She did eventually bust out. She did eventually bust out. Yeah. Oh yeah. And she's got a great showdown with her brother. But yeah, I just thought that was kind of funny that they didn't, that they really did want to keep her in there the whole time and not, you know, do the Freddy Krueger thing, you know, and all of a sudden he's there. And then, you know, like the other song, yeah. And it's funny speaking of Freddie and New Line. So everyone says, you know, the legend goes that Freddy, you know, New Line was the house that Freddy built. So New Line cinema really hit it big with Freddy Krueger a year after this, right? Nightmare on the Street 84. But it's funny, Evil Dead. This was New Line's real like first movie that they acquired. Thanks to Stephen King. Yes, thanks to Stephen King. Exactly. I love it, Stephen King. Thank you. Isn't that amazing? His rave review, right? Cause he saw it at the Cannes Festival. So they shoot it, they finish it. It premieres in 81. Good buzz just in the community. And so it gets the attention of, and I wrote his name down, a producer named Irvin Shapiro, right? You guys probably saw this, who had co-founded the Cannes Festival, right? Cannes Film Festival. And so he helps get that film to the festival. How nice, very lucky. He helped change the name, too. Yes. Book of the Dead. Yeah, it's the best book of the Dead. He's like, They want to read. They don't want to read. Yeah, Ablo, they're gonna think they had to read. Book of the Dead is a boring title. Evil Dead is more fun. Like, I have to give it to Irvin, like, yeah. Like I think Evil Dead, like, yeah. Evil Dead immediately is like kind of confusing and like, what is that? It immediately sounds... That is the Evil Dead. What is the Evil Dead? Exactly, we're Book of the Dead. I'm like, oh, it's a book that raises the dead. I don't know, like... I don't think Book of the Dead is bad. It's obvious, right? Obviously, it all starts with a book. So I think it's okay, cause here's my thought. I'm rewatching it now with my 2023 eyes. I did kind of feel like more time does need to maybe be spent explaining the book in the earlier half. Do you know what I mean? Do you feel that way? I actually, I 100% agree. Agreed, yeah. Because you don't get any of the mythology that we have now until you get to two and then three. And then if you've watched Ash versus Evil Dead, they get even further in knowledge. It's a great show. Mark, you really got to check it out. I started it long ago. I know it's on stars, which I don't have, but I started it when it premiered. I was super interested. And again, you guys are the bigger... Oh, is it on Netflix? Until April 28th. April 28th is the last day to watch. It's probably just gonna move to somewhere else. It's all right. Maybe Hulu or... I don't know. I feel like things rarely like to disappear. Did you notice in the first one, the Necronome comes way smaller? It is small. It's tiny. It's a little diary. I'm still used to the... The Kentar and Dagger looks different too. But the book is like this. I'm like, oh, it's a little baby book. Where's the baby Necronome now? Where's the Bonnie? It's this cute little, just stick it in your back pocket kind of thing. Yeah, exactly. It gets bigger in the second one. But yeah, the second one's where they really go into the... Until they agree. Yeah, they don't really address them. And maybe that's, I assume that was probably a decision because they were like, we didn't really go all that into it and didn't even really establish it too much. Like we see the book, we obviously know Ash is going through it, these creepy drawings, these pictures. But yeah, I feel like, you know, maybe just if they could go back in time, just add like a minute of screen time, showing us more of it, right? Yes. Originally the film was 117 minutes. So I wonder when they trimmed it down if they had some more background. Maybe... I think there was supposed to be more with Professor Novi. There was supposed to be some more voiceover, some more tape. And so, I mean, that's where you're getting all that information is the tape recorder with Professor Novi's voice. Yes, you need to be listening to that. Yes, which I would also have loved. You know, wouldn't it be so fun for, as the credits are rolling, I do love that kind of old-timey, almost like the shiny one. The troll, the Detroit. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Like the old Victrola music. I do love that. It's so like, oddly funny, spooky, all of it. But it could have also been cool to hear more of the recording throughout the credits and like, how scary to like leave the theater or, you know, let it play and you're hearing more of the recording. That could have been fun, you know? As a Greek friend of mine once said, two tarim. Which means? Parted out! Yeah! As you guys already know, Sam Raimi and Bruce Campbell, writer-director-producer, star-producer, they grew up together and had been friends since an early age. They made movies. They were like, you and me, Katie, making our Dracula movie, which we still love back in the day. I was thinking that all, except like, you probably better movies than what we made at the time, but... This is just the perfect movie I feel like to discuss with you, Mark, because I immediately think of you and... Oh, thanks! Yeah, like, it's a homegrown effort and this is basically what you were doing. Yeah, oh, totally, yes. I love that these... I agree, I think you meant to. Right? They made an amazing, totally indie movie, although it did cost more than I thought. It ended up costing... 350 bucks! Yes, I think I've read 375. They had worth of taxes off to get that budget though. Yes. They really scraped for it, so... They scraped, they begged. But they had to wait a whole year to get... And then Bruce Campbell mortgaged his family's home just to get this made. Yeah, so to get the loan, he had to mortgage his home and, you know, he called this recently divorced dad and was like, hey, dad, do you mind if I, you know, put the house up as collateral? And he's like, you know, whatever, I don't care. Oh my God. Oh my God. You're mad, my dad would be like, no. Oh my God. No, I don't think any of our dads would have been like, oh yeah, it's fine, whatever. I don't know. Thanks so much for watching. Next week will be part two of this discussion. And in the meantime, please follow Release Date Rewind on Instagram.