 Congressman George Fallon, on 9-0. I put Bill in on this because he's not briefing, and you take it. Yes, sir. We'll do you just a moment. Mr. President? Yes, George? Uh, on this, uh, uh, Bill that we were supposed to take up in a juggity session this morning. How's your call, George? You told me you'd been out a couple of days. Yeah, well, I could still have it, but I'm, uh, operating on open. Uh, we've had a meeting of the, uh, our Democratic committee. We got the votes to pass anything, uh, that we might, might want to bring out. But... They tell me that, uh, that the boys are kind of surrounding the sub-party congressional. These billboard boys are in pretty heavy, uh, you feel them any? Mr. President, they're not, they're not making any headway with any members of our committee. That's good, they've been on this for a couple of weeks, so that does make much difference what they do on the next day or so. But I can say this. But I does on your 21-day rule, George. We have an agreement, though. I mean, uh, we had discussed the thing, and most of the members on our side agree, that if we could, uh, study the, uh, Senate bill, which we haven't been able to do, we, our staff and our members have been looking over it all morning since we had it. And it's just, uh, unless we get the Senate bill, there's nothing we can do intelligently on it. Now, if we leave this morning... I thought we had an agreement pretty well. We went over with the House before we even went to see the Senate, what we were going to try to do. And I had Bill Moyer come up and talk to your staff for three days up there. He's been meeting, I, uh, we're talking to the individual members and to your staff people, and, uh, to Klusensky and the subcommittee group. And we took what we agreed on with your people over to the Senate, and the Senate, uh, amended their bill and put it in with the understanding that you all would, uh, try to take the Senate bill so that the, uh, uh, we would have no disparity between them now. Well, we will do that as soon as we... We'll put it in that record this morning. Well, we can't, it's not before, and we can't make a, a, uh, the staff camp, um, intelligently to present these amendments, uh, to the committee, uh, the way they appear in the congressional record so that we're waiting for a, a bill from the Senate of which we will get it new and have the staff study it and members study it so that we can come up with an intelligent bill. What will be the difference with the bill you get at 12 o'clock printed on white paper with a number on it, and the bill that's printed last night, the congressional record, the identical language? Only because we can understand, uh, what the amendments are as they appear in the Senate. And, in the, in the record. And we're having a caucus in about 15 minutes with our whole Democratic side to discuss this, uh, uh, of what we know about the Senate amendments. We're trying to get our staff now to, uh, go through them and see what the changes are, as far as the House bill is concerned, so that we can present them to the committee. As it stands now, the only people that have amendments to offer are the Republicans, and they have 22 amendments. And they will, well, we'll be here till Sunday night to listen to their amendments. Well, we want to come in on Monday with a bill. We'll take the Senate bill in total with a very cute minor changes, because I don't think some of them, uh, and I say this, would all do respect to the Senate. Now, some of the, uh, uh, amendments that were offered, we don't even understand, and we can't get an understanding from the, uh, printed records. So that we, we thought that we could get this bill on Monday. We could pass it probably Monday or Tuesday, and, and, because we have the votes to do it. As it is now, our membership can't, we, uh, staff don't understand the, uh, action of the Senate. And certainly we think we don't. So that, uh, it's almost unanimous with the, uh, Democrats side, but we wait till we get the Senate bill, study it, bring it out, and pass it. Substitute for the House Bill. But, yes, I thought you'd gone. I am. I'm so damn shocked that, that, uh, you take that kind of position, that I just, I can't believe I'm talking to my Democratic chairman. Well, uh, Mr. President, I have taken the consensus, not only my own thoughts, but the consensus of, of, uh, uh, the ranking members of our committee. Well, I can't do anything about it, if, if that's what you as leaders, that's the best you can deliver and produce, uh, uh, that's Kramer's line, that's the billboard line, that's what they want. No, I don't think we're going to be subject to any billboard line on it, Mr. President. I have been for three months around here. You'd be surprised at the strange faces I see and I run into every day. And I think that when you delay it over the next week, you've got to get a 21-day rule that you have just sent it to the graveyard. Why do I wouldn't think so? I wouldn't think so. I would, and I've had a little experience up there. Uh, I thought you ought to have the bill out a month ago. I don't know why the hell you've, uh, uh, waited, but you all got a lot of bills. And if you treat mine that way, well, I, not anything I can do about it. Well, uh, we've passed everything. You have to take it, but, uh, we'll, we'll try to, uh, we'll try to understand it. And I can't make you do it. I just thank you committee on the report Senate bill this morning, like we all understood you were going to do. Report the Senate bill this morning? Yes. Well, that'd be impossible to do that. Thank you, what be, too, and the way you hear it. But that's what we all talked about. We've weaved everybody on your staff. We've gone over your staff. We've gone over the individual members. You've had meeting after meeting after meeting. And, uh, I understood that Cramer didn't want last night. He wouldn't even attend the meeting. But I don't know why your Democratic committee can't get together and report a Democratic bill. The only thing that Cramer does out for our committee is delaying action, but he never wins. But we're done now. We're going over the next week. He doesn't, he doesn't win. Have you figured out your 21 days when you go over the next week? You put us up in November. Oh, no. Well, that, that I'd say, uh, and they have to. You figured that out? The Senate bill has not been referred to as yet. We can't even consider that. We have to have it referred to you. We have referred it to you a week ago. Line by line, word by word, amendment by amendment. Bill Moyer's gone over it with your people. Not the amendments that the senator agreed to yesterday. I can't. That's where they came from. Well, I understand that there's some more amendments that, uh, that the administration wants to offer to the bill that we don't know about. Well, the administration's available to you every minute. They'll give you any information you want. If you all just meet with them and let them come in and take action. But if you go over the next week now, they tell me then you're out to wait till the fourth Monday and then it's a, uh, uh, your 21 day rule, you'll be way back till out of part of October and you won't get it up this session. Well, I, I think we could get it out this session. Well, uh, you just check it now and see. Because the old billboard lobby's told us, frankly, last night that if he could get two more days, he'd have the thing dead. And I think he will have. Well, I can, I can tell you this. We can't get the bill that we're talking about now, uh, pass the house. But if you let us refine it and bring them an intelligent bill, unlike we've always done from this committee, I certainly think we can pass it without any difference. I would like you all to bring any bill out that serves a public interest if you bring it out. But this is, uh, this is September and it's been before your committee since last spring. Well, uh, June, July, August, September. Well, I understand that, but we've had a lot of business before. Yeah, I know it. I know it, and they're going to have a lot of delay on this one. But, uh, okay, George, you just, uh, you make your own bed and we'll play with each other best we can. But I think if you screwing me good, and I want you to know that I know it. Okay. I'm like the country girl, I feel it. You do? Oh, I'm going to talk to the committee again. Now, the Senate bill is in the record. Europe people know what it is. We want to vote with the other crowd. No use postponing it. Just stand up like a man. Say, hell, I belong to them. Or if you want to vote with us, then move to adopt the Senate bill, report it out. We file a 21-day notice, and then we separate the men from the boys. It's that simple the way I see it. Well, uh, I'm right here with two of our best, three or four of our best men, and they'll all feel the same as I do about it. Well, you will, George. Jones and, uh, Platnick and, uh, the chairman of the subcommittee, uh, and, uh... I'm sorry, Glutz, uh, Presentski feels that way about it, because I thought that he was, uh, he had agreed with us that he'd report this bill, and I'm sorry that Platnick feels that way about it, but, uh... Hey, I haven't been anybody I know that wants to get this bill out and passed as quick as John exclusive. I'm far back. Why in the hell don't you do it then? Well, I get excuses and reasons as to why. That's what we're trying to do. Well, just take the Senate bill, move substituted to the House bill, ask it be, report the calendar, call it, eyes and nose. That's the way to do it. We just can't do it until we get the Senate bill. It's right in the record this morning. You know, under a parliamentary situation, we can't get it until it's referred to. Elementary situation, all you gotta do is take the page out of the record and say, how over this is substituted to the House bill. I've had a slight amount of a parliamentary experience in my younger days. Oh, I know you have. You had a lot of it. Well, don't give me that stuff about having to wait for bill to be messaged over. Well, even in the record, the one-power-grower of names or an amendment, one number of men, when you report to it again, it's about a different number. And we just can't make heads and tails out of the record. Well, I think if you make heads and tails out of it, you delay it because that'll put us over where we came past at this session. And y'all do whatever you best you can, George. You've managed to rely on it. Well, as if we're gonna do it. Chairman, if you can't be a drop, well, I'm in trouble anyway. But the bill's in the record and I can read. And if I had a pocket knife, I'd cut it out and offer it as a substitute for the House bill and move the previous question on it and call a roll. I'll take it up with that. We're going into caucus and the Democratic caucus in a few minutes and I'm gonna give them that message, Mr. President. Yeah. All right.