 Thank you in every crisis. There's a message crises are Crises are nature's way of forcing change breaking down old structures shaking loose negative habits So that's something new and better can take their place Thank you Call the roll 13 present Quorum is present To start the evening. I'd like to ask officer Ryan Schmidt to come up and lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance To the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Approval of the minutes all the men have Thank you. I move to approve the minutes of the previous council meeting I got the movement seconded to approve the minutes of the previous council meeting. Is there any additions or changes See none clerk will call roll 13 eyes All she carries resignation city attorney letter from Jean Kittleson advising that the effect of April 2nd of this year She wishes to resign from the city's transit commission and the place and fire commission Indicates it's been an honor and a privilege to serve the citizens of city of Sheboygan on both of these Commission All of them in Hammond Thank you. I move to accept and file It's been moved and seconded to accept and file the Resonation any discussion all those I'm sorry clerk will call the roll 13 eyes Motion carries Is there anyone for the public forum tonight city clerk? Yes, there is or there are excuse me First on the list is David Summers Is David here David would you like to come up to the front mic here, please David? Can I have your home address? 2332 Carbon Avenue apartment 6h and you will have five minutes sir. Can you pull the mic down a little bit? So everybody will hear you will have five minutes. Okay Some quick facts Methodorgan is a synthetic opiate that was delivered that was developed by German chemists in 1937 introduced in the United States as a treatment for addicts in the 60s in Russia methadone treatment is illegal health officials there are not convinced of its treatment efficiencies My name is David summer. I Personally gathered over 50 signatures on the petition remove the quality addiction management or quam from the greater area of Sheboygan from the dates 3613 to 313 13 I Went all over getting signatures in the Sheboygan area. I got I Called many Places in our city not many people are aware of this. I called the Aurora Clinic I called our police department. I even talk to people at City Hall There's lots of people that are unaware that we have a methadone clinic in Sheboygan. I'm sorry There are six other clinics in Wisconsin One in Milwaukee and one in Green Bay. So why do we need one in Sheboygan? It's bringing morphine oxy cotton and heroin addicts from the surrounding areas like Port Washington and Manitowoc To Sheboygan to get treatment the clinic only doses people from 5 30 a.m. To 9 a.m. That's when our children are on the streets waiting for the bus to attend school The most calm the most common problem is falling asleep at the wheel after treatment I don't want to see incidents in Sheboygan like the ones that are popping up in the other cities with clinics We can't control what drugs are coming into Sheboygan from outside of Sheboygan But we can remove a drug sanctuary If I was an opiate dealer, I would target areas with clinics Recently with the last thought I like many others had a basement flooding So I dug a trench to get rid of it at first I dug and it got worse and worse Then I finished the trench and it receded Let's finish this trench and remove the pool of addicts So when a dealer comes into town they can see an anti drug movement and keep moving instead of staying I don't want to have to explain to my children the facts of hardcore drugs if I don't have to I'm not saying citizens in Sheboygan should not receive treatment. I'm simply asking that they don't receive treatment in Sheboygan Thank you for your time. Thank you, David Next on the list is Mike Burnett Mike can I have your home address, please? 1925 South 26th Street. We'll have five minutes sir. All right. What I want to talk about is the quarry park beach and There's a agreement that might be finalized tonight And it also might be discussed and open to public comment But I find that unlikely to happen this I'll start out right here on the management services agreement Whereas whereas the city finds at the quarry park beach water areas and quarryview community center Located in quarry park our feature rich assets which have been underutilized by the public and Blah blah blah blah, but then you get into it underused by the public and you get into Sheboygan press 1949 You have here people actually diving off the cliffs and it's like but it's For the four days has drove relief of thousands of people a day to the quarry then you have on here in 1968 in Drove's the warmer weather and it's like and it's so packed it looks like something out of a Refugee scene where everybody's just overpacked on something Then you get into One of my favorites and it's like because I'm told we need this because nobody uses the quarry and everything floats to it Here you have from the best of Sheboygan County 2003 the top beaches in Sheboygan County number one being the quarry To being fireman's park in Elkhart Lake, whatever that is then the Plymouth water park YMCA and number five Lake, Michigan But bottom line is people love the quarry always love the quarry, but somehow nobody goes there now It was pretty cool when they open it up last year a lot of people used it. It was a good time kind of expecting the same this year I mean, it's why it needs to be turned into Amtrak public private thing I don't know but then you have a big story somebody did back in 1980 and 11 are maligned and it's the same thing It's about overcrowding and it dabbles on death at the quarry and it speaks specifically of one specific death and Something around the case, but it also mentions that the best an accident our quarry are a mere fraction of what's happening at a delicate line Outline waters, and it's like that's all I have on this and Have fun Thank You Michael Next on the list is Barbara back. Thank you. Can I get your home address please? Yes, it's 714 a superior 14 a the garden district of Sheboygan Thank you Thank you for your time. I am here tonight to talk about some concerns. I have with regard to landlord tenant issues For many years, I owned my own home and due to some unfortunate circumstances. I now live on Superior Street between 7th and 8th and I'm used to owning my own property and caring for it appropriately However, I have tenants below me that have a different Perception of what it means to care for property including not taking garbage out and throwing it in the backyard for weeks on end box springs. I'm on number two Walks aren't being shoveled etc. I know that there are ordinances in the city that address all of these issues however If you call the police department It is very likely that you will be retaliated against by either your landlord in my case Mr. Flynn has sent me a letter telling me that if I continue to complain about the unsanitary Conditions etc in my neighborhood and then the properties he owns They will evict me Not the tenants who are throwing the 15 bags of garbage out in the backyard every week So my suggestion is it would be who the city of Sheboygan to be a little more aggressive in Trying to get the tenants the landlords who own numerous properties, and I'm sure you know who they are to real to start taking more Care of their properties and trying to upgrade them It would only benefit the city of Sheboygan because as properties are improved So does their tax value increase? I looked at the home. I'm living in now depending on Economics I would have thought it would have been worth less last year than this year Because allegedly we are coming out of a recession However, it is almost $1,200 less tax estimated value assessed value, whatever This year than it was last and as I see the deterioration in my one block of Superior Street between 7th and 8th and walk through my neighborhoods and see that deterioration occurring all over what used to be a beautiful portion of the city of Sheboygan I just would like to encourage all of you to take seriously the concerns that Good tenants bring to you and put a little more pressure on those people that own a lot of these rental properties Because I want to live in a nice neighborhood in a nice location without having to deal with garbage and box springs, etc and The only way I can do that right now is to continue to call the city and call the city police and In turn, I get threatened by my landlord. So for what it's worth I just thought I kind of bring that out and to the public and say I think it would benefit all of us Thank you very much for your time and have a great night. Thank you, Barb And last on the list is Colin Catchell Can I have your home address, please? 321 bluff Avenue Okay, I'm here to speak on behalf of the quarry. I'm on the parks and rec board and I Came in the city six years ago because it's there's so much to do here. It's a city of parks it's a great place to live and We worked really hard on this committee to get that park opened You know because the slide was down to get it open for swim at your own risk And it opened a little late in July the lake was warmed by then if you guys remember it was 70 degrees now last year And that really warmed the lake up. So it didn't get a lot of use but there was a lot of people I would go there sometimes I would count up to 50 people there This this year again I think it would get a lot of use just from the public in those early months and end of May June and beginning of July The new plan was to put a kind of a bouncy park that's at the beach It's in the agreement will be voted on tonight, and then there'll be one where kids will have life jackets I think that's a fun idea. The only thing I have a concern with is that They get the lease for a dollar and they get the entire beach and people that want to use public access at the walker on the back I think that it could be split and The company has half the beach and the public has the other half because essentially It's up still a public facility. The fence is open I think that would be you know kind of an amendment that should go into that agreement Because if they're getting it for a dollar, you know, I'm paying my taxes here They're from out of town and now I've got to pay just to use the beach. It just seems a little unfair I think fit split a 50-50 you have the fun zone you have the public zone and it would make everybody happy I think that could make things work. Thank you. Thank you, Colin Thank you Today Ryan Schmidt come back up Early tonight. I started the meeting out with asking officer Schmidt to to lead us in the pledge as mayor I've invited to many dinners and things to represent you the city Whether it be the chambers gala annual gala or the SCDC this weekend. I had the pleasure of being invited to the Sheboygan Police Department service awards There are different awards that are given out at the service awards Medal of Valor for officers Extraordinary bravery civilian employees of the year cities distinguished service Awards for citizens who help out the department life savings awards for Officers who have saved people's lives and tonight out of all the awards that were given to different officers and different civilians the Cunningham officer Schmidt Ryan Schmidt here Because he was named officer of the year for the Sheboygan Police Department And Ryan is well known around the department as the tech guy Ryan is one of two officers who Initially assigned to implement a tax book tax program through his implementation of this The software Ryan still continues to help out his other and maintain the system while helping out other officers that use the system Ryan is a quiet and humble officer as you can tell by the look on his face today. He's I'm being here in front of us because of this some of Ryan's activities fly under the radar and in 2012 we experienced a rash of graffiti by a tagging crew Ryan I identified that crew and by using the viaduct on Erie Avenue Was able to help solve the crimes and Ryan approached a private business Sherman Williams Stored to promise for free print to paint over some of the graffiti that we've had in this city Ryan attends number has attended many and numbers of the meetings of The Gateway neighborhood Association the Erie Avenue. I've seen my both both of those Associations, and he does a great job representing the city of Sheboygan Throughout Ryan's last year Ryan has demonstrated his loyalty and to the organization of the Sheboygan Police Department by taking Community involvement to a whole new level through his work Ryan has set high standards for other officers to follow Ryan has done this with an overwhelming and unwavering positive attitude and because Ryan's quite demeanor Most of Ryan's everyday work goes unnoticed so today Tonight, I'm honored to introduce to you the council in the city of Sheboygan the officer of the year Ryan Schmidt Want to say a couple words? Thank you again. I know I had given a speech this past Friday I was dumbfounded by this it really says a lot to To be recognized and a lot of it says the support that we have and it's not just us It's the community and as a whole and it's really Fishering when you see things start to turn around we're getting there. So we can't help out. We appreciate all the help Thank you and congratulations Public hearings all of them in him. I'm sorry Public hearing Excess for special assessment of parking district number one. We're gonna take all four together Hearing to confirm special assessment of parking districts number two the Hearing to confirm special assessments of parking district number Four and a hearing to confirm special assessment of parking districts number five anyone wishing to be heard Anyone wishing to be heard? And anyone wishing to be heard all of them in heaven. Thank you move to close the hearings second It's been moved seconded that the hearings be closed Quick we'll call the roll 13 eyes motion carries consent agenda Alderman Hammond Thank you I move to accept and follow our o's accept and adopt all reports of committees and pass all resolutions and ordinances second They're moving seconded to accept and adopt all our o's all committee reports and pass all resolutions and ordinances That will be for three one through three twenty four Is there any discussion Clerk will call the roll 13 eyes Motion carries for one will hold for five one Four three through four seven will be referred with four four being referred to finance and the redevelopment authority It's four four to redevelopment authority also five one the resolution Introduced by alderman Thank You mayor We're taking four one and I need to suspend the rules I need a motion to take a motion to spend the rules second It's been moved and seconded to suspend the rules any discussion on suspension suspension only See none clerk will call the roll on the suspension 13 eyes Motion carried all of them in hindering then I want to put resolution five one on his passage second We're going to accept and file our roll for one with that right Second that's There any discussion on the resolution? Okay, and this is a resolution regarding requests for bids for the regional wastewater treatment facility and the drying project that we're working on Any other questions or discussion? Will be passing resolution and filing the R. Oh Colour 13 eyes She carries or two from Alderman Vanda will we Life to Alderman Vanda we all the rising city attorney to engage in outside legal counsel I'd like to make a motion to suspend the rules second It's been moved and seconded to suspend the rules vote on this suspension first Clerk call a roll 13 eyes Motion carries Alderman Vanda will we Move the reservoir excuse me. I'm with the resolution be put upon its passage second It's been moved seconded to resolution be put upon its passage under discussion Alderman Vanda with Any other discussion See none clerk call the roll 13 eyes By three will I over Five four and five five will both be referred to finance reported committees Report six one of law and licensing recommending denying taxi license number forty nine forty three Alderman Vanda Think I move theory RC be accepted and adopted second RC be accepted and adopted under discussion Alderman Vanda is Christine Stangle here this evening She is here Her license was denied based on We've actually had quite a few Conversations with her in law and licensing For a while she was the agent for one of the taxi cab companies while driving for another one she At the her license expired in June 2012 for actually to act her actual taxi cab driver's license And then we did have her reapply or she applied we had her in front of our committee We asked her if she had been driving from the time that her license expired until the present time and At that at our last meeting she had said no, she'd only been dispatching However, in previous conversations with her she did say that she was The committee, you know vividly remembers hers telling us that she had been driving previously So we did deny her license Christine would you like to adjust to come up and address the console, please Can I have your home your home address 11 11 North 12th Street, okay On behalf of myself, I believe there's been a big misunderstanding as far as I Was an operator of one business and then that did fold you denied whatever But I was working for another business, but I was not driving. I was dispatching so maybe the misunderstanding came when Somebody asked me if I was working. They just assumed that I was driving, but I was dispatching I have Several articles here that can and a couple witnesses that can basically prove that as far as my disability I've been unable to drive and I've been under constant doctor care and recently have been allowed to Resume driving therefore I reapplied for my license and I don't know what's going on here as far as People saying I was driving or anything, you know, so I do like I said, I was some witnesses that you know I was dispatching I was seen in a taxi if I was riding around a tax I was dispatching at the time That's pretty much all I can say for you know, I brought whatever documents you need to see as far as I'm having eviction notice So as far as probably behind and not being able to work and have in contact with Salvation Army But I do have a disability and this is the only thing that I can do is pretty much sit and drive if I am able to You know, so if I'm denied my license to drive I will Be out of a house out of any kind of job I mean and my boss for the all-star taxi. She would not allow me to drive if I didn't have my license She's not going to be stupid and risk her insurance and her whole job for that So I don't know if you need to talk to any of the people I brought along and any questions for the applicant For the applicant Did you tell the law and license and committee after I asked how many hours a week you drive And did you tell the committee or drives 36 hours a week? No, I might have mentioned I work 20 to 25 hours a week And I dispatch I just I think like I said the term like when I people ask me if I work They assume that it meant driving and I'm saying that I work, but I'm not driving. I was dispatching So I did say that I work 20 25 hours a week, but I didn't clarify that it was just it's dispatching You know as far as I didn't know that I needed to so what you're saying is I Okay, here's the thing I said I'm on licensing right and I witnessed you driving a taxi to the clinic Did I not witness that? It's possible. I could have been going for a doctor's visit, but I wasn't driving customers or were you driving an all-star taxi? With people in no if there was people in the vehicle is my son that drives along with me to help me with my disability Getting in and out of the vehicle or anything like that I have not taken any customers in an all-star taxi since I applied for my license again So you were driving an all-star taxi to the clinic? It could have been a Abbey taxi or all-star taxi. They let me use their vehicles to go to my doctor's appointments to pick up my prescription I've never once picked up a customer So you drove for Abbey taxi and you drove for all-star taxi. I did not drive I'm I've worked for them. I'm under their insurance as far as being an employee, but I have not picked up customers driving You're driving a taxi to taxi without having a license I But I don't see like I feel that I thought and as long as I'm employed under The business that I would be under their insurance to drive any vehicle You know as far as because the only time I've ever gone is to my doctor's appointments pick up my prescription And that was maybe once twice. I have not picked up any customers in any of the cab Taxis I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't risk it somebody's insurance, you know taking somebody that's not insured and risking their life and driving them around I have been a taxi driver on and off for about six seven years since was in Sheboygan. There's been several instances I don't know if there's any police officers here that are aware of that. I have Turned in some drunk drivers that I've seen on the street and tried to help out like finding old people that I've wandered away from the The nursing homes and stuff like that and like be helpful when I'm out there You know supposed to be driving help the city as well so Any other questions Anybody else have any questions for the applicant So we did did deny your license on Tuesday last week Tuesday. Have you driven the taxi since then? Yes, but nobody said that you know turn in your license. You can't drive till you actually have it taken away at this Approbationary license, so I thought until you that this appeal comes And I'm allowed to drive because I have my temporary license and it's all could you verify Once we deny it on at our committee level. Can they drive with the provisional and nobody did state that if you want to look At the records that City adjourned the Long licensing committee is just a recommendation. So Wouldn't I don't know what was discussed there about Driving temporarily or not, but that doesn't deny the license the council denies the license So her temporary one would be until we deny tonight Yeah, she's got a Any other questions of the council All right. Thank you very much. I turn it back to the floor then and Emotion is to deny License number Caller roll nine eyes for donors Motion carries to deny the 62 a report of committee from law and licensing recommending taxi denying taxi driver license number 9127 Thank you, I move that the RC be accepted and adopted so good Then moved and seconded that the committee report be accepted and adopted under discussion Alderman Vanda wheelie is Abraham lawyer here this evening He is not here based on his negative recommendation from the police department as well as Recent very recent violations. We voted for to zero to deny so any other discussion on Taxi driver Larson's number 91 27 See none quick call the roll 13 eyes Motion carries 63 committee report from salary and grievance recommending modifying cities cities residency requirements Alderman Thank You mr. Mayor. I moved to accept and adopt and pass the substitute resolution Second been moved and seconded to accept and adopt and pass the substitute resolution under discussion Alderman Any other discussion See none clerk call the roll eight eyes five nose Motion carries Six four report a committee from finance authorizing amendments to the 2,000,000 $750,000 City of Chicago, Wisconsin does for the relevant revenue bonds Alderman Thank you. I moved to accept and adopt and put the resolution upon its passage So I get it's been moved and seconded to accept and adopt and put the resolution upon its passage under discussion See no discussion the 13 eyes motion carries 65 report a committee from finance recommending Recording two-thirds vote on adoption of new fees and increasing or extension of existing fees by the Common Council women him Thank You mr. Mayor. I moved that we put the accept and adopt the RC and put the resolution upon this passage Okay, it's been moving seconded to accept and adopt the committee report and Put the resolution upon its path. Is there any discussion? All the minimum and your lights still Constantly is on I was one of the ones in finance that voted no for this I have some Concerns about primarily hamstringing future councils. I understand that the gist of Why this is put together? But the fact of the matter is from a practical standpoint When you look at Some of the things that happen inside city government, you know if the State passes down a fee or the feds passed down a fee We need to be able to implement that and I know it has some broad parameters to be able to do that But I just have a big problem with you know five people being able to hold up the will of the majority I also again have a huge concern about hamstringing future councils with You know something as as restrictive as this given the budgetary environment You know, I know some have said that you know part of the reason I'm against this is because we want to extend the garbage fee Again and nothing can be further from the truth I have no illusions of wanting that thing to continue But I do think from a good governance standpoint We need to make sure that councils and the mayor's office have the tools they need to be able to balance budgets and take care of Future revenue, so I don't support this you know if it was a little more broad-based or You know based off of revenue over a certain amount or something like that I might be able to get my arms around it But just to say that any fee can only that needs it requires a two-thirds vote It's a little bit too restrictive in my mind. Thank you Thank you mayor, I was the other person in finance who voted against this resolution I Was pretty wound up that night and some Because I really have some very strong feelings about this and be a little more restrained tonight But to speak to the fact that the primary reason that I oppose this is that it is profoundly and fundamentally undemocratic And this really came home to me After the finance committee meeting went home You know went to sleep woke up at four in the morning, and I bet that's happened to any one of us Wide awake and then just realized that this committee this council could work long and hard on a budget It could come to an agreement and we do work long and hard and it is often contentious and we could vote and it would be a 10 to 5 vote and The five people who voted would win The five people who voted against the budget would be in the majority even though they were in the minority It's not good policy. It's not what our democratic principles tell us. We're pretty well grounded in majority rule and so We do have some hard decisions that are going to be coming up budgets are going to be hard to Formulate they're going to be hard to pass, but let's do it democratically Let's not be like the US Senate. That is our really good example of supermajoritarian politics where the minority rules and As you will note in the past few years the US Senate has not done a great deal It is not advanced in my humble opinion Democrat or Republican the the interests of the country And we can certainly scale that down here It's not quite quite so dramatic and it is it's it's relating to the budget But it is important that we adhere to if ten of us say this is the way it should be and Our constituents are unhappy with us. They can vote us out of office But to have five people say I don't like it Put a stick in the wheel and end up with a budget document That really does not reflect the will of the majority just doesn't seem right to me. It also seems to be a violation of the standing rules of majority rule and therefore I Move to amend the resolution tonight requiring that before it pass it pass on a supermajority vote two-thirds second in moving second to amend the document and the amendment is to Require a supermajority vote on this document. I'm going to turn to the city attorney I'm not sure we can do that. Yeah, I would caution establishing Acting on a document and in that document say it has to be passed by Any percentage or any number of votes? we've got the statutes call for say that anything that council doesn't Provide for that requires a supermajority Can pass with a majority vote of the members present and to say that Just by an amendment that you could not follow the state law there the majority rule would apply I would would say would be out of order All of them down a hue Harry well, I guess you want well and I did think about that of course and If you review Robert's revised rules of order section 68 and those are the rules that require Amendments that require a two-thirds vote the standing rules of a body which are being amended and that's what we're doing We're saying that our long tradition of majority rule in terms of fees is no longer going to be the standing rule of this body Requires a two-thirds vote well the council rules are established by ordinance and not by resolution so I don't believe that we could amend the council rules by Amending this resolution that would require an ordinance to change the council rules My opinion all of them down a hue while I understand and recognize your motion I feel to that motion is out of order at this time All of them in versey Hey, mr. Mayor I'm actually in support of this. I helped create what this was for. It's not binding in any ways It's not tying up hands. It's actually making government more transparent Knowing why are we increasing fees? Why are we creating a fee? Yes, there's state funds that have to be done state fees that we have to take on We'll have someone come in front of us and say the state's making us do this We vote on it. There's no reason that someone would Vote against it if the state says we have to other fees that are out there If we have to increase them due to budget reasons or due to covering our costs and building inspection or whatnot They can come in front of us The council in front of the public and say why are we doing this? It's making our fees more transparent to the public and also it's not really hindering It may be an extra step. We have to go through but in my opinion. It's not Finding any hands. I was dot handcuffing them on their fees It's just making it more transparent and we can still pass those fees. Thank you Thank you. I'm in verse all of them in Carlson. Thank you mayor Yes, I Respectively disagree. It is binding. I mean that's what the resolution states. It does require a two-thirds vote I mean, there's no way you can not use or binding when it comes to this resolution I voted in favor of this in finance, but I Didn't wake up at four o'clock in the morning. I actually I Instantly regretted my vote. I mean but knowing full well that it was going to come to council anyways I Can't stand for for a couple of reasons now the more that I thought about it And it's already been mentioned by two of my acquaintances here. I mean it pretty much does give full control to five people and I To pass a budget and then have to come back and vote on it Just because there may or may not be a new fee in it and have the budget die Because we don't get the two-thirds vote because there's five people that decide they want to hold the hold up the entire process All the person Donnie who's had it best. I mean it is pretty in my opinion. It is undemocratic The second reason why I can't really support this is because it does bind the hands of future councils it doesn't allow for more much flexibility and I'm not going to be here forever and I'm not going to vote for a document that is going to bind future councils Then there was one other statement. I wanted to make but I kind of lost it there. So thank you Think of it hit your button again All of them in height of it. Thank you, mayor. My name is on this resolution Again, the reason I brought it before finance and Guinness where it's not the two-thirds that I'm worried about It's the fees. I'm worried about Our citizens we we put a garbage fee on our citizens. It wasn't a garbage fee. It was a fee to plug a hole That's what it was. We called it a garbage fee because we could get away with calling something a Giving something a name. So what is the next fee? You're going to be the sky is falling fee Because I don't think that's the appropriate way that we should be Getting revenue from our constituents and I heard it loud and clear from my neighbors and friends that they didn't want to be Feed so whether it's two-thirds a simple majority. I Would rather see in people that were dead objected to having a fee Amend the amount of votes that had to have to be able to pass rather than the killer resolution all together So I'm in support of the two-thirds Thank you all my admin Alderman Donahue Thank you, and just I do think that as we talk about fees and as we talk about budgets and so forth We are completely and utterly transparent and the process of voting for it Whether it's two-thirds or a simple majority has nothing to do really with transparency and Alderman Heidemann with great respect my my seatmate and My esteemed colleague it makes all the difference in the world whether ten people a Majority control what happens in this body or whether five people control. It's called democracy. This is anti-democratic and Let's celebrate and realize that the tax rate levy the tax levy rate in the city of Sheboygan has remained level since 2005 so for a period of seven going on eight years this council has done an Extraordinary job and holding down costs and holding that line flat. We've done a good job But we've always done it by majority vote and if when it comes to the imposition of additional fees increasing Building permit fees or whatever if a majority of the council thinks that's a good idea then that's what we call democracy and that That is a critical concern that I have we have demonstrable proof of what happens when the minority rules And it's not a pretty sight. We've done a good job in Sheboygan. I think we need to keep doing it Hold them in Hammond Thank you. Hold them and Donnie's through stole a little of my thunder. I with all due respect I It doesn't get much more transparent than it is now Anybody that sat through the garbage fee debate there were many of them and many of them were televised It was extremely transparent So saying that you need a supermajority or a two-thirds or whatever the language you want to put on it doesn't make it more Transparent what makes it transparent is the process we go through Where all of us sit in this body and we have the debate and again that the majority should decide not the minority I just want to mention a little bit about you know How complicated and convoluted this can get come budget time the council approves a budget That budget may have an increase in fees and attorney McLean, please correct me if I'm wrong by separate ordinance Those fees have to come back and be approved So if we pass a budget and five or six people block the ordinance that Raises the fees that we approved in the budget Where do we stand? That's one hell of a mess and we have to try to figure out So again, I would encourage people I wholeheartedly agree with with Alderman Heineman We need to be very trans and Alderman verse We need to be very transparent when we're when we're talking about fees and implementing fees or raising fees But again to say that you know five people get to make that decision So you know five people who represent about 15,000 people versus, you know 10 who represent 30,000 I Have a problem with that. Thank you Alderman Bellinger Thank You mayor. Well on the face of this It sounds very good, I can't stand fees I especially hate the garbage fee I'm not in favor of Fees in in general, but I do support Alderman Hammons Previously stated reasoning that We are tying up future counsel We're in the last month of this counsel session and Right before we go out We're gonna pass or we're going to vote on something that is going to affect a future counsel we haven't even seen a budget for 2014 yet and Frankly, I would like to solve the roughly $500,000 deficit for 14 and the 1.7 million for 15. I would like to solve both those issues this year This past counsel session I brought up an issue That would have dealt with that and that would have been the privatization of the garbage collection That would have required a fee so for that reason and Alderman Donahue's reason the tyranny of the minority You know, I don't want to have a minority Body or group be able to affect the outcome without ever seeing a budget Nobody here has given any kind of numbers or what their solution is for solving the budget I have no idea, you know, what that's gonna look like We're gonna go through that this year and we're gonna see what's gonna come up and what the ideas are gonna be it may be privatizing garbage it may be Eliminating services that may be getting rid of some people it may be, you know, whatever we, you know come up with But to say that, you know, we can't add, you know, or we're going to put a two-thirds Supermajority on something like this. I can't support that without having some other concrete, you know, budgetary figures and in solutions That are gonna solve our problems in front of me Thank you, Alderman Alderman Carlson, you must have thought of what you've missed. I did. Thank you, mayor At the risk of beating a dead horse here No offense to anyone. However, just speaking on the transparency Not only do we sit and debate the budget here as a as a full council We we debate it as a full committee the whole and it goes through every single committee in this city at least once So there's nothing but transparency in this entire process I just wanted to expand on Alderman Hammond and Alderman Ballinger kind of touched on the the item that I was that I forgot This document is in no way productive to our budget process our better our time is better spent actually trying to Find solutions to the issue not just put pretty much just a Giant stop sign in front of the entire process so I would I would much rather see solutions come forward to help us going forward than Seeing this measure pass tonight. Thank you All the men versey Hey, mr. Mayor, I guess in lights of this the way this is going and not see this die First off we currently don't a lot of the fees that are instituted We don't get that in front of the council. It's pasting committee in there goes This or this resolution right here would make it come forward to the full sitting body So in light of that I would like to make an amendment on there and not have it as super majority vote But just a simple majority vote second and moving moving seconded to Remove the super majority language, correct, which then it would only require a Majority vote Second on the amendment only speaking on the amendment all the men I just have a clarification for attorney McLean Attorney McLean when a when we or when a fee is increased or added That needs to come through this body. Is there any bodies that can implement a fee without council approval? I just at the committee level Transit Commission, which is a separate we can't control Library consent I can't control that buying some fees and so forth Other than that, I can't think of any So we're already voting on those fee increases by a simple majority now Okay, thank you another if I could ask Alderman versey for clarification There's a difference between a majority of the members present, which is the default rule or Currently the document says Affirmative vote of two-thirds of the membership of the entire council And I'm not sure what you're proposing on your amendment If it's to be a majority of the members present or a member a majority of the full membership Sounds like either way it's getting shot down, but I'll just do the the current body Not the sitting body, but the current So the full the full no not this it full sitting body For the majority simple majority of the present All in the present All the men down here on the amendment and just to clarify so that would essentially be the status quo Absolutely, nothing changes Okay, so any other discussion on the amendment? We'll vote on the amendment first Quick call the roll 11 eyes to nose Motion carries now. We need to motion on the Resolution on as amended It's been moved and seconded to approve the resolution as amended under discussion See none clerk will call the roll Ten eyes three nose Motion carries Six six a we committed report from public works recommending management services agreement or guarding Corey view Alderman Thank You mayor Accept and adopt the DRC and put the resolution on his past with the amended with the amended agreement second It's been moved and seconded to accept and adopt the committee report and put the resolution as amended on its passage Any discussion? Thank You mr. Mayor I just wanted to spend a little a few minutes or a few seconds excuse me to just briefly talk about this I am gonna support this. I know there's some concerns about the beach And those types of things, but I think I want to point out a couple things one It's it's one summer three months Memorial Day to Labor Day and it I Think that is worth noting the second thing in the part that I I think is is best when we looked at all those pictures that Mr. Burnett showed one of the unique things about that that is that there were lifeguards there Which is something that hasn't been there in quite a long time So with these people down there, we're gonna have lifeguards. We're gonna have a safer environment At no cost to the city, you know people talk about there's gonna be a fee for these folks for our city residents When we had to slide in the diving board there was a fee then To use the facility as well again one of the part that you know, I just can't get over is that we're gonna have You know lifeguards down there that you know can watch over the people in the in the quarry Which is a lot better than what we have now And although I know it's rather inconvenient and maybe over the course of the next year we can look at Alternatives and alternative access points and things like that, but there is access for city residents I'll be it. I understand it's a little bit of a hike But maybe again over the course of the year we can look at Other access points that aren't maybe quite so inconvenient to residents, but I think this is a great opportunity For a couple reasons one. I think it's kind of a neat idea And secondly, I like the the fact that we're finally gonna have lifeguards back down at at the quarry You know to watch hopefully the the hundreds and thousands of people that are gonna go there this year So I would encourage people to support this. Thank you All right, I mean, thank you, ma'am. I am too in favor of this Adventure by the city, but I would like to amend the agreement to allow access on the on the beach to the public Without a fee so that we both have the access to the beach by the general public without having to having to pay Fee to get in there second and move the seconded to Amend the agreement to allow public access for beach and swimming only non use of their equipment Or residents it for for people at not no fee Under discussion on the amendment only I'm gonna hear I guess my only question is how does that work? My understanding that they have the entire beach front I'm gonna call Dave Veeble the director of public works Thanks, it's my understanding. I mean that the the company is going to be providing Apparatus equipment at no cost to the city and in order for them to do that They're gonna have to have restricted access and charges fee to recover their costs of installing this equipment and the lifeguards so We felt that when we went through this through the committees and listening to you know What about bringing back the slide at the quarry? We should bring back the quarry of old We knew that that would be an expensive venture for the city of Sheboyin and try to get that type of capital investment Put back at the quarry With negotiating with this company It was brought up to us that hey We have an opportunity that we could maybe bring this equipment at no cost, but In lieu of that and save no cost We would then manage it this company would manage it for us manage the lifeguards But then be able to capture the revenue at the gate as the city did when we ran it Basically, we're just having a third party operate the marina. So I think if by having public access I think the company then would say well That's fine, but you would have to then reimburse us for our cost then for those city residents that are enjoying the quarry we would like to be paid a management fee to Accommodate those city residents to come in it free. So I personally don't think we have that in our budget That's you know It's a viable Consideration, but at this point I think we were not prepared to be able to fund that Dave I know there is no formal agreement yet on the fees or how the fee structure will work But in some of the document or or Can I say this in some of some of the Ways that they've laid it out as potential They have had a like a two-tiered system where you would get a bracelet for the use of of Equipment and you would pay a general fee to get in as a model Yeah, I think what they what they're suggesting is they have the beach access fee and the shallow water zone Would be a lower cost then they would have wristbands available for the deeper water zone where a lot of the floatable Rafs and apparatus that they would install that would have a higher fee associated with that section of the quarry Any questions of David before we Press my buzzer too much tonight. It's not working My question. I mean did I just remember swimming at the quarry and The the public beaches this sort of half moon And I can't quite see how you would divide that up. Was that discussed in the committee? And is that a viable option? I think it would severely impact their operation If if we started to say we're going to divide half the beach half the beaches paid access and half the beaches Just open swim at your own I think that would take away quite a bit of their what I would say their their zone of Fund zone that they want to call it in terms of where they want to access their apparatus and their their equipment And I assume their lifeguards would save people who are in trouble in public areas as well as in their private areas I would I would think they'd be Any other questions for David Mr. Beal Again, we're voting on the amendment and the amendment was to Allow beast beach access with non use of the equipment To not have a fee clerk a call roll for eyes and nine nose the Amendment fails so we're back to the original agreement any questions on the original agreement Any other discussion? Very none quick call the roll I will in just one second 11 eyes to nose She carries six seven through Six nine to be referred Seven one will be referred to public protection and public works So we'll do a referral there not as laid over eight one a Resolution from Alderman Hammond Deccan Carlson and Donahue authorizing transfer transfers and appropriations of 2013 budget all the time. Thank you and move to put the resolution upon its passage back It's been moved and seconded that the resolution be put upon its passage. I'm is there any discussion? Seeing none clerk will call the roll 13 eyes Motion carries nine one Alderman Hammond a motion to discharge the Board of Housing Appeals and Fair Housing Practices Yes, as you mentioned I moved to discharge the Board of Housing Appeals and Fair Housing Practices They moved seconded to discharge the Board of Housing Appeals and Fair Housing Practices for the layman this means we're pulling it from committee and bringing it to the council vote first on Motion to discharge or pull it from the committee Is there any discussion very non clerk will call the roll 13 eyes motion carried Alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor a Move to pass the ordinance by Alderman Heidemann and Lassard repealing and recreating chapter 46 of the municipal code relating to fair housing second It's been moved and seconded that we pass the general ordinance Recreating chapter 46 of the municipal code relating to fair housing. Is there any discussion? Alderman Heidemann I think This document has to be amended so I Want to make a motion to amend the proposed ordinance to add a new subsection section e to section 47 dash 46-40 46-57 Second it's been moving seconded seconded to amend the Fair housing ordinance. I think you all we all receive copies of that on your desk any questions about the amendment Very none for call the roll 13 eyes Motion carries Other matters Move that we move to pass the ordinance as amended it's like it's been moved seconded to pass the ordinance as amended Any discussion? Hope sorry don't vote yet. Don't vote yet The woman down to you and just very briefly Alderman attorney McLean Can you just explain why we're doing this or what the changes just very briefly what the changes are? it's really updating our fair housing ordinance to More closely to compliance with the changes in the state law regarding various categories of discrimination and the last Several years we've gotten gigged by HUD for having an ordinance that really was getting more out of compliance with the state statutes The last time we had amended it Statute was even a different number now. It's it's been put in a different section and this As much as possible for us to track the changes to the state All I'm done here and again why we're pulling it from committee and things not the only reason it was discussed at housing There just wasn't a quorum that they were able to pass it so then that's why we forwarded it straight It's straight to the here, but the discussion was held there any other discussion See none clerk to call the rule 13 eyes motion carries That would work 10.1 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2013 and June 30 2014 That will go through on licensing 10.2 is an arrow submitting a communication from Mike Miller of EOS outdoor Requesting permission to have rentals of stand-up paddleboards and kayaks at North Beach and Sheboygan That will go to public works 10.3 is a claim from coca-cola refreshments for alleged damages to their vehicle when they were traveling on a city street Struck a loose manhole cover and lost control of the vehicle and ended up in someone's yard That will go to finance 10.4 is a petition for direct annexation by unanimous approval for DHP LLC by David a Heather That will go to city plan commission 10.5 is a resolution authorizing the appropriate city officials to terminate the license agreement with Morel transfer ink To finance also before we go into closed session all in the Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor. I appreciate the couple seconds. You're going to give me I just wanted to Extended a special. Thank you to the hospice Thursday night. There was a fabulous event at acuity as a gracious host for the We honor veterans They are starting a end-of-life care program for veterans And I just wanted to thank him was a very very well done event the governor's office the senators and Representative Ensley were there Charlie Sykes and Joe Dean who created the honor flights were there to present the movie that they had done It was very tastefully done and raised a lot of money to do do this I really want to just extend a great. Thank you for their efforts for our veterans of the of Shepard County Got it All right to motion to convene in closed session of the exemption provided in section 19.851 e wisconsin statutes for the purpose of deliberating Deliberating the possible sale of public property where competitive and bargaining reasons require a closed session back and they moved seconded to go into closed session Look to call the roll 13 eyes Motion cares will reconvene in closed session in three minutes