 Hello everybody. If it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer. That must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly Joining me as always Is my co-host Tom. What's up, buddy? Hello friends Tom, how you doing today, man? How's it going? Okay, you know It's this whole This whole thing's kind of started to wear on me, but it happens What happens when you got four kids? I mean that'll happen. I mean I love my children But you're not wrong. Sure being trapped in a house all day every day with them You're saying that can be somewhat exhausting and never going anywhere. Sure. Yeah Well, I wouldn't know but at any rates, that's okay because don't worry Tom right now We're gonna talk about AOS Yeah, you get to go to the mortal realms isn't that exciting. I am so excited. All right So let's start off with some news and we start with a I think a very interesting rumor engine, huh? Dun dun dun All right, Tom, what is it take me through it hit me I mean, I think that GW is messing with us Okay They saw our show last week. Yeah, sure on fixing death and they're like, oh Vampires up I Got you boo. Mm-hmm. So they are you saying that? Well, so so here's the question, Tom Is this vampires? Is that what you're saying? Oh, it is vampires. All right. It is okay It is vampires. I'm gonna be definitive on that. You're being definitive. This is this is definitely vampires This is definitely vampires 100% making that call. All right, you've pointed at the outfield and you said this is vampires. This is vampires It's not flesh eater courts uh-huh and I'm even gonna say it's a weird vampire Okay, the reason why is the weird Finn on the forearm. Can you can you point that out for spin? Yeah, let me make it bigger for everybody. I'm gonna cover your head for a moment Tom I'll actually bring this image up. Yeah, so the people it can people can see this area down here This sort of underhang on his arm is what Tom is referencing right now I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about that in a second why I don't think it's actually a fin but continue go ahead I don't know if it's a fit or not, but it's something weird and it caught my eye And I think it's vampires Okay So it's not a fin. This is the the cross guard of the sword, right? Yep. Okay So Uh, I think that this is just like the other side of a bracer We can't see that's hooked under here is what I think but it could be a fit But where's the strap for it on on under this part like it doesn't go all the way around It's like a metal piece You know so I'm saying that's like hooked around like one of those bracelets that people wear that doesn't close all the way Around your arm. That's what I'm saying it is. Yeah, I don't think so But you could be right could be a fin or something like that. So you're saying this gives you more belief in your aforementioned vampire pirate theory because if they have a fin if that's truly a fin, right? Yeah, yeah Which again, I think it's a bracer, but okay. Let's say it's a fin Let's just go down this road. Sure if it's a fin then this in your mind is just like yep, definitely Vampire pirates confirmed. That's it a hundred percent lock it loaded Yeah, and actually like Somebody had pointed out. I think it was Martin Orlando that we've actually seen this before Like we're not we've seen the new vampires is is basically like and it was in the night haunt battle town Well, we saw some vampires in the night. Right. And so let me see if I can share that up for us Just so people can see what I'm talking about Because I mean it's it's worth mentioning that like we do have some of this art Um for things that it could be appropriate for Right here Okay And this is when Lady Olanders being summoned in the gush and your zoom did too much. There you go You know, you want to yeah, there you go. There's your two vampires. There's three vampires. I guess there's three vampires very very Um Manfred esk Sure, but you notice they all have bare arms Sure That one also has a weird little metal bracer on I would point out Yeah, you mean that right there Maybe otherwise it could be the edge of a cloak hanging down dangling down. Yeah, sure Like because that cloak seems to be attached to a bracelet or whatever. Sure. And so maybe that's what we're dealing with Sure So, uh Yeah, I don't know Okay, no, I'm saying vampire. I'm saying 100 percent vampire You could see that the hand of that one It was like across his arm like this and he did have big long claws But I mean that's not that weird lots of vampires of claws. Yep. Definitely vampires what I'm saying now The question is and they're all rocking sleeveless. Yes, that's the new that's the new fashion in vampire land They are they're all like sleeves. I got no time for sleeves. I gotta show these immortal guns And manfred sent the tone like that's what it is Because if you look at him, he's sleepless and so he's he's ripped, you know, and so Yeah, it could be trailer trash transylvania. That's fine Paul I'll buy it. Um, so it's like it's like moons out guns out moons out guns out. That's exactly right. Got it. Um And so I think that that's what we're gonna see Okay um And like the sword like the sword just echoes this It's they're very much like the death rattle swords Well, it looks old. It's you can see the pits just just above the um Just above the the where it cuts the image. You can see the pits in the sword. There's a scratch here You can see that in the paint they used Like they're bad metal paints to make it look scratched Like that and the texture is so large. I can I can see the individual pigments even in a black and white image like this Yep So no, I don't disagree with that So I'm saying vampire like it just everything screams vampire here. Um Now the question is is like is it a warband? Is it an army? I don't know sure because it could always be like, uh, an underworld Uh, warband or it could be something for war cry, right? Like they could in the same way we got the kernathi and didn't, uh um You know don't have an army to support that right like they've clearly shown that they're willing to do Weird things for for especially in in underworlds, right? Or I mean there are six seven eight now there you go eight chaos uh Four bands for a war cry that don't have an analogous army really I mean, yes, I understand they're all enslaved to darkness But they are they are an island unto themselves even by the rules, right? Yep, yep, and I mean what else so kasey gilton boss said that you know like they're He's calling she's calling a uh vampire like a vampire. I guess civil death civil war vampire versus big gosh Undead civil war and I'll just say that would be kind of interesting I would be all about that. I would be anybody going against the gash is interesting Clearly but like the season that we're in Is the soul wars? Sure, and it would be a fun twist on that, right? Uh on death like, you know, like truly fighting over, you know Who is to be the soul? Uh the soul keepers Soul keepers, sure Well, look, we got to be bringing this soul wars to a close sometime soon, right, right Like we had the realm gate wars for a couple years now. We're in the soul wars for a couple years Let's get that let's get that moving along Yep, I assume once once whatever I assume we'd want to move it along once, uh psychic awakening is done over in 40k land Because that's currently soaking up a lot of their probably like yeah time and attention for that sort of thing I understand these are different teams, but they do share like they share artists and other You know ancillary folks to do this work I know everybody's gonna hate me when I say this but um next year's a three-year mark Like next summer. Yeah, yeah, sure, uh, which is traditionally like For what this is worth, um fantasy and aos seemed to go on a three-year cycle Ish there there is a lot of this Sure, okay, sure like not enough data points to really say that but all right Yeah, but approximately so like I you know, I had speculated a while ago that we'll probably have an addition change Next year, maybe the year after who knows I yeah, it feels like a 2022 thing if you're gonna do it to me Maybe maybe but uh like you're likely to cycle out of the soul wars with the the addition change See, I feel like the right way to do this honestly would be First of all, I don't think they'll ever really change additions again And as much as like in in only in as much as like what they changed from aos 1.0 to 2.0 Which is really pretty minimal, right? Like everything Yeah, I'm not saying I'm not saying like wide sweeping addition changes. Yeah, I'm saying Like I'm saying tweaks like the very fine refining that they've been doing sure sure sure Yeah, fair enough. Um, I mean to me it just feels like the kind of thing that you just Let it be there's not there's not a lot wrong right now that's pushing it to change you don't need to like I If if you're still selling your product and everybody likes your product and you're you know, you haven't seen a dip in sales Why Arguably, we were the same way and for in first edition moved to second edition. I mean everything had a lot of rules pressure there There was a lot of like First edition it absolutely did first edition had all this baggage that they had brought forward from the beginning of aos that wasn't clean Right, and they needed to like rewrite the core rules turn it from like the four pages to the 12 pages or whatever, right Flesh out some base assumptions re level stuff clean things up. That was a big that was their primary motivation there Right, was was that clean and re-releasing all the the The books to actually be books. Yes to actually be like because because midway through first edition They had suddenly decided that books were going to have rules in them, right? Like that wasn't an original concept Yep We'll see so like there's no such pressure here Are there a few little like proud nails we'd all wish would be hammered down? Yeah Okay Like Great, you know, I mean like there's there's some minor things but for the most part the the game hums along We have all our armies We're still they're still the excitement's higher than it's ever been I mean, I'd say up until the point where we all stopped having events events were like Bigger than they ever were now. They're zero I mean, I would argue that a lot of people were saying that the meta was not fun anymore and it was stagnating I think the day I heard that from a lot of people like not not competitive players competitive players like this is amazing I'm saying I'm hearing that from like normal players players who just go to events that fun Like they were having more non games and it was not fun. I was not looking forward to playing obr They're not looking forward to playing to the each. They're not looking forward to playing seraphon Like that. Yeah, I don't seraphon falls in there or not. We don't have the date on that Like I agree with those outside the the that Again, that's not indicative of an addition change. That's indicative of the fact you've got obr and zinch that have a problem Which nobody disagrees with except for mef. Who's wrong? Notice I did not say fire slayers in that lineup I mean, yeah, because they're very simply you just you just get rid of that dumb horde discount on the hearthguard berserkers Everything's fine. There you go. Uh, then yeah It's fine perfectly fine army uh, okay, so Uh, yeah, cool. Um, you know, look the the what to go back to the rumor engineer since we just We rabbit hole pretty hard there. Um The uh, the low hanging fruit here Is that this is just an fec hero with a sword Right. Yeah, but there are no weapons in all of fec. I understand that I get it That doesn't mean that's like the only weapons. They have our leg bones I get that man. I understand that even when they released the arch region Which would have been a great place to have a weapon. There was no weapon. I get it I I completely understand. Okay That doesn't mean you can't give a ghoul a sword like these these these You know crazy lunatics think they're all wielding weapons and they're all holy knights, right? That's their delusion It stands to reason that one of them might accidentally think they're picking up a sword and legitimately pick up a sword And and yes, as thank you very much. That's what I was just about to point out the the guy in the grim watch Right The the guy out of underworlds has a weapon Okay Now you're right ghoul kings and arch regions and all those guys. They're just wielding basically bones. Yeah But there's no reason this couldn't be the the low hanging fruit here is this is the fec war cry warband And they're something in that warband is just a guy carrying a sword like Some kind of ghoul courtier Some courtier character I know you believe that I'm not buying it again As was pointed out one has a weapon mr. Halperd guy. I understand him watch and two They could wield a weapon they have opposable thumbs and this hand does look very much like their hands Because the ghouls are clearly inheriting the legacy of the sort of stragoi vampires. All right So Uh, this is a traditional vampire. I'm calling it. All right. I you planted your flag. I I respect it Uh, I am I am not sure that I agree with it, but there you go So cool Uh, I think it's probably fec thing. Uh, but hey, there you are. All right. What else we got in the news? You're boring. Um, sorry The web store is reopening for the u.s. Canada, Italy, australia and new zealand Yay, there you go. So That didn't take long. It was like an extra week on the other one And we're back in business and that's actually tomorrow is when it's happening the seventh. Yes Yeah, I know uh forge world is not being opened yet. Correct Was it something you were really wanting from forge world? There is you're looking to pick up a uh Like a a titan or something ship over that $2,000 worth of resin. No a colossal squig, dude. Oh, geez I mean, I'm sure you could find a colossal squig on ebay Uh, yeah, but it's not gonna be real like they're all gonna be recasts Well, you don't want to buy a recast, but I'm sure somebody's actually selling their legit colossal squig I don't believe that I I don't buy forge world on on ebay. I've literally been burned twice. Yeah fair So like I'm not Uh, I'm not gonna risk it again. No, that's a hole. That's fair. I get that. That's I'm not gonna fight that Uh, yeah, okay cool Whatever, uh, I I'm glad it was funny that the most ordered things and completely unsurprisingly by the way The uh, the most Ordered thing was was, you know, the the paint and stuff like that and of course the shades were Uh, the washes that is to say where the where the top of the top and yep, you know least surprising data point in history So weird, I can't imagine Yeah So, okay, cool. I I was very glad to hear that. I'm the this is the next step on the road to us getting those elves out To us and then to me getting my giants I should also state that along with the elves because they'll probably do engine war about the same time That will also mean I'll get access to the engine war stuff. So I can continue adding that into Cities Ignorance school Yeah So I am excited like there's a lot of stuff coming around the corner. I'm super excited about so Yeah Thumbs up for me Uh, I'm personally still hopeful that we end up kind of in the time period we predicted originally Which is like this stuff is sort of Available in the very late may early june Time period whatever that means could be like a pre-orders the last week of may and it actually is available in june or something like that That would be cool. Right. I would be The sense in which I got with and we'll talk about this here in a minute with white worth But is that we're looking at about a two-month delay? Like so I think all our release dates are being pushed back approximately two months. Yeah, sure. Sure. Um, like I would have expected for example in um In mid april to have lumenath and we're probably going to get a mid june, right? Yeah, so let's let's yeah, I'm hopeful it could be like they pre-release the The last Well, let's just Um, so white dwarf will be spread out. Um, like 453 is going to be on sale this week 454 is being going to be pushed to the last week of june. Yeah june 21st Um, and then 455 goes into august like mid august And so what this means is that they're basically going to stretch out the issues so that we have 10 issues Over the this month year instead of a full 12, right? um So basically we're going to lose two months of releases of white dwarf and I think the reason why they're doing that It's because I think all the all the releases are going to get mapped to that similar kind of release schedule Um, because we do know that that episode they're previewing which we're going to talk about here in a second Which is the middle one the one that comes out in june is what they previewed here today Yeah, has like yay lumenath go lumenath in it. Yeah all the lumenath things It has a warband for lumenath and we have an image of that Um, I've got it ready tom. Oh, okay. Go to do the lumenath image the spear image I'm going to I'm going to put it over your head again because it needs to be bigger So we got an image of the uh spear here We're going to make this nice and big and then I will zoom in everybody So give me just a moment because this is a tiny image, but there you go. Now. It's now. It's dead center screen Hopefully everybody can see it big old big old giant spear. Yes. I mean The longest spear. Mm-hmm. Sure. Let's like I am so glad that I use magnetized racks That's all right. Yeah, well first of all foam is always and was always a terrible way to um To move your to to transport your models. Sorry everybody using foam. You're just asking to damage your Your your models there. Yeah. Yep But and and magnet magnetic trays were always the correct answer uh now So let's talk about this this very long spear like whatever we want to call it. These types of weapons have had a thousand names um This beck decorben No, it's it's really not this ran sure. No acts. Yeah uh The uh, it's actually shorter than some historical analogs because it looks like it's about A little less than two and some change of him tall Yeah, so it's probably 12 feet. Maybe something like that. Yeah, it would if you like if you actually set it on You know, if you if you scaled him and then drew it out It's probably like 12 13 feet, which would put it at the short end historically there were phalanx ranks for example From as I was talking about earlier today in a chat with you Philip II of mastodon famously conquered all of Greece by inventing these sort of You these phalanx units that fought with Spears that would fight five ranks deep and they were at the longest about 20 feet long Yep, so they were really really long and it famously created this sort of wall of iron that was impossible to get through Right because there would be if you got past one of the spears There were four more sitting there waiting for you Right trying to stab people and enemies with normal spears just couldn't couldn't get in there couldn't get close enough Yeah, and he they would just they were is a very devastating fighting force Uh, the the thing about so it's perfectly realistic. That is to say a weapon of this length Yep, uh The answer is though it looks silly as all get out when it's a single person with it Yes, like it looks like oh, it's you Yeah, exactly. It looks cool when it's like they fought in units of 128 I think was their standard sure unit size that sounds right because it was like eight ranks across by 16 deep if memory serves for the for the mastodonian phalanx and so um So the So then it looked awesome, right because you just see this giant like like hedgehog hedgehog. Yeah of of spear tips, right But when it's just one guy, it's like you would just this guy over here with the sword who's like stepping in on him Yeah, he's like I I have you he would just push that to the side and go murder that too That is a terrible weapon for this kind of like city fighting where they're being portrayed That dude just committed suicide by walking into the city with that weapon. That's insane Yeah, I just you're not you're not sky from hero. Okay get out of here It makes me wonder if there's going to be a weapon thought because I think we've seen him with shorter spears, haven't we? Uh, yeah, you can see one in the background Uh, that's yeah, I get there right that's the guy with the hammer. Um, yes, there's also there is also a unit That has a shorter spear. I thought so. I don't know maybe like I thought so too So I think they're meant to fight in some kind of like organized phalanx. So they make me a lot of spear lengths It's gonna make me laugh if like their weapon swap is like short and long spear Just be like, wow real uh real devastating options everybody Uh, yeah, and so it's it'll be interesting to see what like is this going to be a true three inch weapon? Um, or or four inches. I mean who who knows? Uh, there's all types of like secondary consequences for doing something like that Yeah, this guy will look much cooler in a unit of a bunch of dudes who have big spears, right? So Yeah, but yeah, it's it's a very interesting funny image And yeah, so uh, there you go. So big long spears, uh as paul pointed out in the comments Pointy elves Pointy elves. That's very pointy. Yeah It's super pointy. Look at the point on that that point is like eight miles away from him. That is a pointy pointy elves It is a pointy elf. Um The the other one is do you have the other image by chance? I'm sorry. This is the only one I pulled. I didn't know there was a second one. Yeah, this is the one that's really interesting Done done. Sorry. Let me go back to the other picture here and I'll scale this down to size so people can have the room runging up There you go. Wow. Okay. So this is like a sidebar Okay. Yeah, this is very small Fuzzy fuzzy fuzzy fuzzy fuzzy image. Yes. Okay. So there's the image of just like, okay So the fact that I can't tell who is in this image or who is fighting Yeah, I can and so let me point this out to you. Okay. I'm ready I guess chaos is in the back right because there's I see a horse ride I've identified a model Yes, so let me see if we're zoomed in So the red you'll see in the foreground is atharian Okay, sure. Why not but there's another blue figure behind him I would point out that long spear guy is right beside atharian. I can see I know he's he's poking up beside him there Yeah, that is a big enough. That is a big enough spear that we can tell who he is But what I would say is that the like atharians head is it goes to like the bottom of the blue bubble Okay, but there's somebody behind him with like a sword raised up. You can see a sword arm right here Okay Let me see if I can zoom in a little bit. That may be it's not gonna matter. You're gonna like Like but there's a sword arm. Uh-huh sword arm and it looks like he might be on calf Okay, so you're hoping the silver horse hero here. Yeah, there may be a horse Hero here. Okay. So, um Did you ever watch uh, did you ever watch barry tom the show barry bill hater? No This reminds me very much of a joke in season one where they spend like seven episodes trying to crack at the cops Spend like seven episodes trying to crack a security camera that record something And then they show the image and it's just fuzzy is all get out and everybody's like, well, can you zoom in? And they're like, no, we can't we can't do that. This is just this is how it was recorded Yes, hey and hands and hands Yeah, it's just like that's that's not real and everybody just looks at it and goes I have no idea what we're looking at right now So this is a tharian right here and then here's do the sword with arm up in the air and sword right here Okay, I great I say why not tom or or maybe it is a cowleg actually because there's a cow right here I don't know. I think there's a guy back here on a horse. That's what I see I think you're probably uh, this is feeling very zepruder film right now tom. Yeah, okay Uh, just saying, uh But okay, I I'm not I'm not one to dash your hopes of some additional Cavalry hero doesn't Why I mean It can't be the cow here or the cow model because that model doesn't exist. That's not a real thing That was a april fools. It's a beautiful model. It's the only it's the only interesting model in the range besides the light of al-tharian No, it's not you get all your you're silly boring elves. You basically got all that so there you go Uh, just now now you got you got to put up with having a couple interesting things in the army Nope Pass hard pass. Uh, so yeah, we we're still waiting on more luminous stuff Obviously like as somebody said, you know on the forum like is anybody else getting bored waiting And uh, yep, I'm about there six months of teasing like that's where we're at Sure, obviously that wasn't january. It won't release till june. Yeah, I mean obviously that wasn't the intention But yes, just about done sure Um, I'm sure they're not thrilled with the not money. They're making either Right, right indeed. No one's saying they're going. Ha ha ha. We got them Like no one's in the no one's in their their homes not even in their corporate office since they can't go there I assume and they're like, oh, thank goodness. We've tricked them now. We've strung them along We will strike when the iron's hot This month and a half delay probably on when we wanted to release the army. Yep. Sure Uh, you know, so no, I I I'm sure that would like just like us They want nothing more than for this army to be out there and in our hands as soon as possible. Yep Okay Uh, cool. What else what we got? We got more news Oh, we do have more news. Um, uh, nash con Pre-registration went live folks. Mm-hmm. Are you signed up vince? I am. Yeah, good. I am as well so Uh, I talked to david they have spots for 96 Maybe I'll expand them or Okay So, I mean nash con always did have a fair amount of space I wonder how that's going to work out whether or not they'll want him to expand to More space in between tables. We've moved to bigger a bigger venue. They said. Yeah. Yeah, I know And there's a lot of like expandable space so Yeah, I I don't like that so that tournament's happening at the end of august end of august I mean, we're still three months away from that. Like oh almost four months Yep I'm hopeful that that it'll happen. I'm hopeful enough that I bought the ticket. I'll be ready to go So, you know, like whatever it's, you know, it the world will be what the world will be at that point in time, but uh Uh, and you know, I'm I'm I'm willing to go And then I'll I'll roll dice with the mask on that doesn't that is sure 100% I will and I'm willing to quarantine myself for 14 days afterward. That's fine. I'll cut, you know, like Well, how are you gonna go to nova then? Hmm Nova seven days later. Well, I'm willing to be a disease vector than I guess is what's gonna happen Sorry about your luck. Uh, I think I'm gonna cosplay a KO dwarf I'm gonna wear a big respirator And oh like metal beer the whole deal. I'm gonna make us dude and be safe Yeah, I mean, I think the answer is by that point in time in september like we'll be in whatever new normal is right where we are where just, you know Having on masks or something like that. I will I yeah, sure totally Josh you asked is there a con around it? Yes, kind of Kind of it's very it's small and has always been like You were naturally socially distanced at that con classically It's true. It wasn't like it's because it's it's a much more and I don't mean this in any insulting way I just mean that like it was a small Provided community. Yeah, it's a small dedicated But like But like highly motivated group of mainly like historical Yeah, it is gamers. It is primarily a historical gamer convention, right and then david's like we're gonna play warhammer Yeah, sure. They were happy. I mean that's cool and so Like come on and so it's just a very different like the entire vibe of like even all the all the like the Showroom like the show floor for selling Um, like I remember the one year that we went like the or the first year I the first year that it was that I went like I remember looking at the raffle going meh Just because it was like it was all wargaming stuff that like was like 15 millimeter and a bunch of stuff that just I don't play Sure. So like I just Yeah, yeah So, yeah, it'll be fun. I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to heading back down to nash con. It's a short drive for me. So Um, yeah, it'll be fun. Yeah, I I I hope it happens and as always we'll see, you know, and we'll uh We'll see what it is. There you go I don't know what else to say other than I was willing to throw it on the money to hopefully go So there you go. Yeah, totally. Um, if anybody's willing to do it, you you will have to judge your own Tolerance and safety and you know your life and you know, whether or not you're around people who Would be put at risk or something by the time of you going out or whatever the thing is and I would encourage people to make the smart decision for For them based on their own personal situation and conditions and you know, but they what they feel comfortable with Right, you shouldn't be guilted into going Um, but yeah Yeah, I mean that being said if it's something where you feel like you, uh You know, you'd like to go and you see it as being within your risk tolerance. You you could absolutely Uh, you will absolutely have a great time Uh, I I will be at my like six months of quarantine and we'll be going insane Sure, I will be having parented full-time four kids for six months basically March Uh end of August so newp. I'm there. I am I'm so there Should really you should like move to a farm tom Then you could send the kids out get them get them working chores, you know not quarantined with them Get them out there in the fields. Yeah Well, we're working with chickens and cows and stuff like I built like an eight by four garden this week To make them work the garden now there you go good Like I like I am not joking and we are likely to build another Uh 12 by four Uh this weekend because I I got to get him outside doing something. Sure. Well, there you go So, uh So yeah, that happened, um What else? Uh, it was announced a couple things. Okay a couple things that are like warhammer tangential Yes One there's a humble bundle out right now That for like all the warhammer games Uh on sale and so between like yeah, I think like total war was in there and vermin tied and a bunch of stuff Most of the games are like six to eight bucks on uh on steam through the humble bundle so, um Yeah, so if you like warhammer in digital format and that kind of stuff, um, it's a big deal. Uh a a digital Like the tabletop simulator a lot of people have been playing warhammer that way age of sigmar Um, and I believe the first tabletop simulator age of sigmar tournament has been announced Yeah, well, yes, they did like a so, um, they ran basically a version Last weekend there was sort of a test run of it. And yes, they're doing another one Next weekend two weekends. Yes. Yep. Yep There you go And so there's going to be another so a o events aos events are happening digitally right now So that's a thing Blood bowls on there both blood bowl one and blood bowl two and like the blood bowl expansion expanded roster stuff So on the humble bundle. I'm sorry. I'm jumping around um And then the other uh announcement this week was that cubicle seven announced that their Uh their new game their rp the aos rpg is going to be launching for pre-order this week And if you pre-order either the normal or the limited edition book, which looks Hot um, if you pre-order either of them, you get the pdf um with your pre-order like in before a media download So, um, I'm really stoked about that as well When does that pre-order actually when are you actually allowed to pre-order it? They said this week Okay, guys. They have not put it up yet. They haven't yet. They've not it is not up yet But as soon as it is up, um, you will see me tweeting about it because I am Super stoked. Okay, and we will do a show on this by the way If we're talking to some people right now to try to do a show on this It's going to be a couple weeks just so everybody understands one because I don't know who I don't know who's ordering the real copy and who's getting the pdf and all that kind of stuff So like I don't want to do it before people have Some of the stuff in their hands one two It's a lot It's an a completely new game obviously to take in right this isn't just an army book Where you're sort of contemplating it and understanding it within an established framework Yeah, we already have with a os. Yep. This is a lot bigger This is something that is its own new game with its own new nuances and yes It's in the mortal realms we know and love but we're going to have a lot more lore and and background and information And and obviously we have to put on a completely different hat while while thinking about this and evaluating it So I don't want to do as per always with We're not going to rush into it Yeah, as I mean just I hope everybody understands by this point that I have no interest in doing this like Oh, let's open up the book and see what we've got. All right. Like that's not We need to like process it right and then let it percolate And then reflect on it. Yeah, exactly I want I hopefully would like to say something intelligent about it or at least moderately not stupid So that will take time and and we will have limited experience with the actual play of it Like we have we have a lot to rpg experience well limited experience of actually playing it, but We're talking to some folks who are playtesters who have had it for six months or so and have been actively playtesting it Tom we'll run a game. Don't worry. I'll do it. We'll do a game just like some Saturday night We can do it over. Yeah, like that's like this summer Like in between now and when we do the show We're gonna do a marathon We'll figure that out, but I mean saying just for now. Yes. I'm guess we're gonna do a marathon this summer But um, and it's gonna be your game. You're running. You already know that Tom I mean maybe try to get out of it, but at any rate the Texas boys can't come up Shake your face. All right at any rate, um Maybe we'll run a couple this summer But yes, like we'll get a game and I'll find some people We can who we can do an online game with so we can so we can do a Can we actually play it? Please let me use minis. I have minis like we We have more ever minis tbd All right, so, uh, but at the point is we'll definitely do a show on it I mean, I'm very interested The way I look at it is it's no risk Because the worst thing that I get out of this let's let's just imagine a world Hey, maybe that's the answer events. What's that? Maybe we do a uh, like a digital Like game and we record it We'll see what we do like live stream and rpg of aos soulbound. Yeah, sure. We'll see man uh the The way I see it is this is no risk because Let's say I get the game and I just don't like it. Okay. Let's just imagine that I actually get it and just Legitimately don't like anything about the mechanics of the game. Yeah. Okay. Who cares? I got a whole suite big book full of cool aos lore and thoughts and and art and art and stuff that I can integrate into the into my My narratives and my storytelling for my armies and stuff, right? So, okay. That's cool. I bought an art book I bought art books for things. I don't even play. I bought art books for like movies right Like so I was thinking about like do I buy this like I'm gonna buy it But like do I buy the base version of the collector's edition the collector's edition isn't like a magnetic cover just beautiful like Clearly rivaling any of the like gw collector's edition army books And I'm like looking at it going. I don't know And then this little boys in the back of my head was like, hey idiot You bought the warhammer online collector's edition box Yeah, and have two of those art books sitting on your shelf. Yeah, of course you're gonna buy this Yeah, sure. Sure. I was just thinking about that same thing because the the warhammer age of reckoning art asset book that's amazing and Yeah, uh, yeah, exactly. I've got a couple. I've got a couple mmo Art asset like art books that that I mean obviously for games. I don't Right, you know, right But I still like the book. I still am happy. I have it. So, you know, that's why when I thought about that I'm like, of course, I'm gonna buy it. Yeah Yep, uh You're you're absolutely right hukan. That's that is the that is the inevitable end of this road Uh, is tom referencing the limited edition ever chosen book Right there Because normal shelves can't actually carry it Absolutely All right. So, uh, yeah, so we'll check it out and we'll do a show. So there you go. Cool Uh, the title of the rpg it's age of sigmar soulbound. Yep And so it seems like there's a really interesting conceit regarding the gosh and like the actual like framing of the story of the sort of the rpg Story is being told. So i'm actually really interested in it So, yeah, it'll be interesting. Cool. Um, uh, that's the news All right, great. Well, sir, shall we move to some pick? Oh the week Uh, yeah, I just picked a whole bunch of stuff That's all digital You did but that wasn't your pick of the week Sure. So i'm gonna pick something that is even more tangential than everything. I just mentioned It has warhammer models in the video. Uh, oh Okay, that's fine. I know where you're going with this, but that's fine. Go ahead. You do you do So i'm gonna drop because we've just been talking rpgs Um, they're a wonderful vanity video. It's like about six minutes long. That is, uh, Joe Manginello talking about his dnd group. He's being interviewed by Variety Um about his dnd group and like it cuts to like As he's just kind of like talking about who's been adding all that and then which involves like the wrestler big show and db wise and It just and like vince vaughn Sure, and just jumping through a bunch of this and it's just fantastic and uh, I know that they have a great RPG table and they're like one of the players is using an obr necromancer for their character The model the obr necromancer model. Um, and in another scene they're fighting Like legitimately a forge world war mammoth Nice, but but the idnf deepken boat has been put on its back and sculpted around it And so like the carriage is the idk or pieces of the idk boat Like it's just the funniest thing in Uh, the the funniest thing in the in the entire world so Very nice Very nice. I dig it Uh, so my pick of the week is going to be our good buddy Uh, hey woe twitch who has been trotting out some content Thank uh, thanks sigmar One of the advantages I suppose to us all being trapped inside as we get some hey woe content So that's a that's a good silver lining He is obviously doing his new expanded videos around the individual factions explaining them I really like the framing device. He's he's been doing Of how he sets them up and how he explains what they're all about and I love that he starts the video with propaganda I think that's actually a really good twist, but specifically what I call want to call everybody's attention to here is Uh, the cities of sigmar Basically the part two of that which was where he gave sample lists for each of the cities Oh, which I thought was really helpful because I do think cities can be kind of a Hmm, I don't want to say this uh opaque book To list build in especially for newer players because it can be a bit overwhelming because there are so many units in it And so many potential power pairs and combinations And I actually thought he gave some really good insight into just like here is what a list would look like In each of the seven cities this will get you going Yep There you go. So, uh, I'll link it down below. I thought it was a very good Uh video and I really enjoyed it and as always the haywo is is strong with this one. So there you go Oh, oh, and I did a video with nefesto last week where I ranted for like four hours So we can post the link to that too. I will post a link to that as well. Yes, you were on rantcast Uh, and it was great Because it was you running your mouth all the time and never giving poor chuck a chance to talk Chuck just like fell asleep while I talked. It was the best. No, it was a really good episode You did run your mouth way too much. Uh, but that's okay I wasn't there and nefesto wasn't up to the challenge of raining you in You were there in the comments providing like sideline commentary as I just ranted I mean it's rantcast, right? That's what you're supposed to do rantcast Yeah, I was painting that whole time. So, uh, yeah, there was, you know, just It's good. It's good to listen to it's good It's a as per usual rantcast is my a plus material to paint to on the weekends because it's it's uh, You're guaranteed a large amount of content and fun conversation and topic changes. It never never gets old And uh, that's what I like about it. It's great to sit down and when I know I'm going to burn the next Four, six, 10, 12 hours painting. It's it's great for that. I'll link that as well all right Hobbit time, what's working on man? What's on your desk? The biggest bridge in the entire world Can you see that? I can I can see it. Yes. It's just it's a big old bridge and that's You do know that that is perfectly not true like every actual real bridge is bigger than that Yeah, I understand that but like This is for like a tabletop game like this is a thunderer on a 32 mil base Like I could get him probably three wide at least on there. Sure Yeah Yeah, it's quite a big bridge. Yeah, I'm making a big bridge I I like I knew I needed to get it together at some point because You picked it up for me at a con like three years ago And I knew that I I was going to lose the instructions again after I found them And it's just the biggest and so It looks fun and I and I had some time to glue some stuff together. So I did that. Um, I I stalled out on my Of my shrine. It's just so huge. There's just so much there Uh, and so I'm gonna go back to it after I get like a breather um on my my loon shrine, but Yep, it is a very big terrain piece. I believe Tom McClure painted that in a single night The loon shrine. Yeah, I mean you got to understand like I I'm free handing every single mushroom I just yeah And there's at least 160 mushrooms on here. I get it. Tom painted every mushroom Sure, I mean Every like let me say this way every mushroom on mine's been painted at this point The question is the question is like the degree of detail and all of that. So, um Yeah, no, I just like poking you. Uh, yeah, good. Get it done. Tom. Stop slacking You're you're making terrain. You got distracted by other terrain. You're you're you are I'm in my you are that meme right now of the guy walking with the girl and going like oh and looking behind him Yes, you even turned around like him to look at the bridge You're just living memed. I mean you're not wrong um You're not wrong and actually like it's so funny because I've like cycled all the way through um And now like I put my goblins on hold And I'm cycling back to um my dwarfs So like I'm gonna finish my loon shrine and then jump to my ko to finish up some stuff for probably nashkon And then once that's good then then I'll cycle back to probably my my lube spike So it's just it's just the worst hobby add right now I'm just so like I'm so motivated by a bunch of just weird things that I'm just jumping around Yeah, tom you actually have a tournament to think about now again probably right, which is why I'm cycling back to the ko stuff All right fair enough Uh, okay, cool for myself Uh, what I am working on let's pick him up here. He's probably not gonna show up well But it's this guy. It's a it's a it's a space marine Uh, here's his little face Over here And here's his little backpack over here, you know like space marines do he's doing that's living that space marine lifestyle Now what's relevant about this guy? It's another crimson fist Because I like the crimson fist Scheme I painted one recently, but I wasn't super happy with it. It was okay and So I wanted to paint this crimson fist because I wanted to take another shot at it And specifically I wanted to paint it using oil paints instead of acrylics so uh following what james wobble had done I decanted and thinned and turned a bunch of artist oil paints So basically the things that normally come in these tubes Yep, okay uh, I turned a bunch of these into actual like miniature type paints sitting in a bottle. I don't none of them are in reach right now. They're all out of reach, but uh So thinned them down put them in there So now you can like just squeeze them out of a dropper bottle paint with them and I will say it was a Using them please excuse my french, but it was a gd revelation. It was amazing It was amazing. Uh, I've painted with oils lots in the past like it's not it's not that I've never used oil paints before But having them sort of premixed pre thin and just being able to work quickly like that and uh Just is is really Fun in a way that's hard to explain it is Like have you ever had trouble blending Has that ever been a thing you've encountered where you thought man, I wish this wasn't so hard to blend sure, right? You don't that isn't a thought that's on your mind. That just doesn't occur. That's not a thing So blending whites are not a problem with oils. No, there's no such thing like there is no There's no such thing as a challenge. There's no such thing as blending with any color. Everything just instantly blends It's just that's just how it works It's just it just is it's just part of it, uh Because because the paint's wet for you know a couple days really Usually at least 24 hours When you when you when you thin them down that much to that sort of miniature consistency They usually are dry within 24 hours because they have enough white spirits in them But um, yeah, and I've used it for a lot I did the giant that I did recently. I did his skin all completely in oils. I've been playing around with a lot more Uh of them, especially on on bigger things I've been trying them a lot more often on like bigger monsters where it's kind of easier to control and use larger brushes This is the first time I've really played around with them on a 28 millimeter Miniature right that is to say I understand the giants technically 28 and some of the other monsters I've painted a couple demon print size figures and stuff like that with them But uh, but this is the first time I've done something one inch ish tall, right the standard Human sized and because I was always worried of whether or not it was going to be too hard to control And my answer is no Nope, it's not it's it's wonderful. They are a lot more uh Non user friendly, I suppose because you know, it's it's uh It's different But uh by boy was it fun and it's something i'm going to do again The first thought as I was doing it was like, oh my god Do I ever want to touch my acrylic paint again? And the answer is yes because I still had to use it for a lot of finishing details And you know, I'll need to do use it for freehand and stuff like that um But the but the actual work of of doing a lot of the miniature in that Was just so pleasurable It's so fast and efficient. I wanted to get like the space brain's face I did the whole thing in like 10 minutes and every color was where it should be It was like he had red cheeks and bright temples and blue faded into his beard and the side of his shaved head And it was a 10-minute job Jobs are good Fast and easy and then I went in with acrylics and just refined things here and there with really really sharp stuff so There you go. And yeah, there'll be videos coming out on it So I've got a video already loaded up in the hopper of when I did the giants Uh skin and oil. I um, I saved that and to me that is still the most pleasurable like painting skin tones in oils is a It is a religious experience Okay, like you that's That that is like that as you feel the light you hear the bells the distance sound of drums and horns And low seven angels poured out seven goblets or some nonsense, you know, like it's it's on at that point Uh, so at any rate, uh, that that already is a video. I'll do another one at some point This was more of a test just for myself. So I didn't record anything for this guy But I'll I'll do another one at some point in the future. So I'll probably I have I have that storm cast hero You gave me this is that guy by the way that you gave me. What's his name sergeant? Oh, yeah, that sergeant one sergeant yo yoven joven Yep, I yeah, I turned that guy into a crimson fist and I gave him a big power fist because normally he was sitting with his hand like across his Uh, me but I gave him a big power fist instead because you know crimson fists Sure, there you go Uh, if you're if you're curious about wanting to use those oils before my video comes out or anything like that Uh, I will make like I said, there's already one in the clip coming up in a couple weeks for the skin tone and then, um I'll do another one in the future after that But if you want to watch anything before that I would highly recommend you go check out Uh, james waffles channel because he has a bunch of uh Them he has a bunch of videos already that he's done and honestly I I just copied what he was doing as far as decanting and making the miniature bottles. It's his it's his thing He came up with Uh, so I you know full credit to james waffle who you should be watching his stuff There you go Cool. So there you go. So I've had a fun week, man. It's been exciting Working with that stuff All right, tom you ready to talk about the actual topic today Sure, let's make some stuff So make some stuff up. So tom tonight's topic. We're going to talk about new sub factions for aos So these are sub factions. These are not real These are not real These are what we think The next sub factions for aos should be and let me let me set some groundwork here This is not new armies Yep, right So I'm about to sneeze so hold on a moment Nope, I didn't sneeze kept it in. Okay So these are not new armies. Yep It's not a whole new force or anything like that. This is more of kind of what they do in 40k where The armies are all out But they'll do some expansions for them. They'll introduce something in an expansion project like psychic awakening You know where we got being like a pain book or this could be in like a uh, like a white dwarf Yep Yep. Yeah, could could could have models Could not Yeah, sometimes these things do sometimes these things don't the upcoming engine war is a great example of that, right where Yep, um You know, it's not like adaptus mechanics are new but here's this sort of new Uh cohort of figures that are all about being these sort of uh vanguard type forces that go out there on these planets And uh, and yes, of course, you can integrate them into your existing forces or so on So here's some new models, but they also have their own thing as part of this as part of engine war, right So this is for existing armies ways. We could build them out I called them sub factions, but it doesn't have to necessarily be using the sub faction Thing because not all the books actually use sub factions, right? So so famously gets and skaven and plenty of books like that Don't actually use sub factions in the traditional sense, right? So they could be it could be expansions along the lines, but Or it could add sub factions to these other factions like template lay on top of them much like what uh, what the wrath of the ever chosen did With slanesh where you had lurid haze invaders, right? So it added a sub faction to invaders Or or you could just be adding sub factions period Like what the wrath of the ever chosen did with nergal So we've seen they have an appetite for that night hot doesn't have sub factions, but with the Uh white dwarf we got a bunch of like The semi sub faction sure the de laura stuff or whatever. Yeah, the de laura. How do you say it oris horde or what they call it? I actually have it literally right here Yes a sub faction in its in its most refined sense somebody asked in the comments a sub faction is like petrofex elite or a sylvaneth grove or the uh The hammers of sigmar in the stormcast book or whatever, right? The great phrase in the beast of chaos book sometimes books have them sometimes book have them and they're very light and optional Sometimes books have them and they're required. Yeah, whatever whatever. They don't have one There's a lot of basically what i'm you we're we're we're casting this net broadly And saying these should be the next four things they sort of Expand within the existing forces as a sub faction not that that word has a hard definition in the rules, right? Yeah, we're just making stuff up. Correct. But I I to me I tried to pick some that I thought really would be one Uh things they could should do because it would it would add a lot of interest to the game It would sell it would be compelling Two it would help The ones that I thought about were ones I thought what armies could actually use these and would they be valuable in Right. Yeah, because when they did the the Dolores or however you say it Guard thing in white dwarf They were very cognizant of the fact they were adding that to try to shore up Some of what they perceived as the weaknesses in knight home, which were just battalions, by the way They didn't actually add like sub factions, right? But that rules build out my point was that rules build out Was there with the implicit purpose of trying to help what they saw as some of the weaker stuff Yep, right and to make the more army more versatile and interesting especially to use a couple different units, right? So sometimes these may be just rules. I didn't constrain tom. So I don't know what he made up He doesn't know what I made up This could be new models. This could be just rules. I'm very interested in what you would like to see Uh, so You know as we go through these You can certainly drop your own and we'll we'll talk about them every so often as you as you drop them into the comments And uh, and and we but now it is time for us to Wildly speculate Okay, tom you go. Well, it's not even speculation. It's just creative like outlet I'm fair with this. Um, so you want me to go first? Yes, I do Oh, I see how it is Okay, i'll go first. Nope. Nope. Nope. No, I don't want you to steal my idea I've got my three ideas written down right here on this piece Uh, my first one is going to be a campaign expansion allegiance um akin to what we saw with the the city of lethass in For forbidden power. Okay So if you'll remember a lethass was a city in uh in shish Yep With a lake and it had like the storm vault or whatever and so it was an allegiance It was a city of sigmar's s city That wasn't a city of sigmar right And it was based it was an allegiance based on keywords I'm just refreshing everybody's memory as to what the how that this was assembled um And it involved a lot of standard kind of city of sigmar stuff But it also involved some stuff that was very at atypical like uh, I didn't have to deep kid deep kid To reflect like the allegiance or the alliance that's going on there And so I wanted to do a um A a city um from ogu Called the umbral deeps The umbral deeps appeared very very very briefly Ironically in the ever chosen battle tone the first one um, and it's and it's it's it's the place in which Archeon was stopped during the age of chaos. Okay So when he pushed in in the age of chaos, it is it was the holding point Uh for the forces of ogu. Okay And so I wanted to build out a little mini city with that Um, this is this a new city of sigmar or what is this? Well, it's a standalone thing It's a standalone thing. So again think lethis like this is not a hold Of there's no storm keep here Okay, does that make sense. So this is not like This is not like this is again like the like lethis in that like that wasn't a city of sigmar But it had Elements of what we would consider city of sigmar's in it. So the keywords that I would I would make out of it so I would use A lot of what is in cities of sigmar particularly the dark elf factions So darkling coven shadow blades order to repent us. Um Um I would grab some dwarfs because like umbral deeps is like a like an underground Like structures. So think more of kind of like an underdark style city Um, and so I would probably grab like dispossessed and maybe pull fireslayers in the city of lethis did that as well They had fireslayers. Um, I'd have some humans in there. Um that represent some of the like, uh, some of the Uh, like like forces that have traveled and established like trade routes So I'd have to throw some free guild in there some collegiate arcane Um, I mentioned that the dark elves which would include like the shadow blades, which obviously would be super appropriate here Um, and then I'd probably do Um, I would pick up the tech the new tech that's been picked up from cities of sigmar and say like one in four forces Can be daughters of kane. Okay Um, I would not allow I would because there's no storm keep I wouldn't rather than like allowing daughters of kane be And here like wholesale it can only be a portion of the army I wouldn't have a storm cast here one in four because there's no storm keep Um, and I would but I would pick up some of the tech that was not reused from the cities of lethis And what tech I'm saying is is they actually had some prohibited keywords Okay, and so I would prohibit in these forces the keywords both star So any of the named fire slayer, yeah stuff and I would prohibit morathe Yep, so those two cannot be in this force. Okay um And then obviously like everything would be shadow and spooky Oriented for like a lot of the lore based stuff I'd throw probably like steeped in shadows Maybe give the army like neg one to hit in the shooting phase Uh, because I think that that could really shake up the meta Um, I think that that that will be a really interesting style ability Um, I'd want to lean into some of the more useless abilities Um, some of the like a bravery debuffing stuff Um, I thought about something like a dreadful standard or something like that that actually like grants units that have a standard bear Which I know is really weird But like that is a thing on war scrolls that you could like that that from a design standpoint that can be pulled on And you can say something like you do something like the standards for the like how death has it enemies within six units of a unit With the standard bear receive neg one or bravery or something like that So, um, I would do some I would play with that. Um, I need a command ability I I wasn't sure quite what that was going to be yet So I thought we could brainstorm something for the umbral deeps as to what a command ability might look like What do you think? Uh, I think the command ability should be that you can well, they're a shadowy Ambition type of force, right? Yep So the command ability should be you can almost like the what the dread hair Almost like a sort of version of what the dread hero does or whatever. He is the writer a knight on relocate one Yes, but he like basically they disappear and they are immediately set up Near a uh a board edge see a nice way. I like that So I had shadow and given the ability by the way to pull them out of combat like they can pull them out of combat as well So I had uh shadow bridge which was in the umbral spell lore Um doing something similar, but you could make that a command ability and just drop a command point and pick up and relocate Uh, so would you do it for the general as well? So a general and a unit To make it no, I would just be like it would be a rapid sort of You know into the shadows kind of ability for one unit. So it'd be like a rapid redeploy for a unit. Yeah. Yeah, exactly Okay Um, I thought a neat a neat spell in the umbral spell lore could be something like mirror image Because it's all about like illusion and trickery. Sure. Um, and you could do something like a on cast on a six six, you know um The unit like so the cast hold on i've got it. I've got i've got mirror image Okay. I've been casting mirror image since 1989 tom. All right. I know I know what I wanted but go out. I'll hear you All right. Here's mirror image ready. Okay mirror image casts on a seven plus. Yep. All right Uh Has to and you know the unit you pick relatively short range spell I was going to make it cast her only but continue. No, I it's cool. We can it can be on other other things too Okay, okay. Yep. So It casts on a Seven plus. Okay. Yep and that unit gets a Five up feel no pain. Right. Okay. Yep. If you roll a 10 plus All right, then they get a four up feel no pain Okay, hold on because you make more mirror images Hold on. Okay. Are you about to share that you wrote the exact same rule? Yep, there you go Uh-huh. Yeah, we've written a lot of games together tom Apparently we have Uh, I've designed that exact thing fence. No, there you go. Okay. Good. So yeah, there you are Uh, that is hilarious. Okay. So yeah, and then obviously some uh, some some spells and um Uh, yeah, you know like some some shadowy stuff and you get the idea I mean it largely right writes itself. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I like that. That's cool. Yeah, and I like the umbral deep Do you see this is like you could do that almost it would need any new models So that could literally be like a white dwarf article or something like that, right? Or a campaign like it could literally be like a forbidden power style release. Okay. Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna cool I like that. I like that very much. I want to build on your old goo idea Okay, okay, because I I too had an I'm so So go ahead. Yeah, sure Okay, so I want to I want to build on a classic idea, which was the the cult of slanesh, right? Yep I feel like we're now the the time is ripe for this Right because we have giants going into every faction, right? Yep. We have barak Thuring bringing Lots of different armies together We you know what I mean under a under a sub faction like heading where you can Daughters of cain into slanesh All the way around actually Okay, I don't I don't you can do it either way But it doesn't really like you could I could see this being built on either side Okay, but I think it works better in my mind narratively as for the last point that I'm about to make Which is to me this would be the exact thing. I would slide into the new daughters of cain book Okay We've said that we think there's a new daughters of cain book coming this year. Yep, right? Yep And so the question becomes What do we and and the sub factions that are in daughters have some some potential room to be cleaned up and or expanded? all right, yeah And to me this is the perfect time like we have seen all of these stars align Of all the different rules elements we needed to make the cult of slanesh happen show up here So this would be a new dock Uh sub faction just like agnar and calabron and uh, and all of these are craith and all the rest, right? But it would be a new one It would have a some name it wouldn't actually be called the cult of slanesh, right? It would be The appropriate and sort of appropriate name here, right? And uh one in four units could be slanesh Uh, I can be slanesh. Does it change the grand alliance though to chaos? No, no, no, no So I'll I'll get I'll get to how this is gonna work. Okay. Yeah, okay so One in four units can be slanesh demons Okay, only the demons no mortals because I don't like you're not sneaking in chaos warriors Those don't these have to be like cultish things things that are where they could could see themselves What like uh, he'd nights of slanesh Like could you key it to that keyword? I'm trying to think of what in the heat nights that would that would help riders Um, you're big you're you're one hero. Um, you're like demon prince hero Yeah, well, I mean he is he is a demon. He has the demon keyword, right? Uh, yeah, I I think really the one it would what you'd be if you if you just said if you locked it to heat Net heights heat nights build up you would expand it out to the the health traders, which That's what I'm saying. I don't know. I'm on the fence. I don't know. Yeah I don't I don't know if you have a problem with that or not But sure what I would argue is that like that makes it easier that having to like go super narrow on demons sure Uh And so the so that's the it's it's a standard one in four rule. Okay They actually gain the uh The appropriate keyword for that Thing when they're taken in here. Okay Yep for this this thing Okay, uh, and they'll benefit like they Gain obviously they have none of their own rules, right? So they're not they're not doing any slanesh rules or anything like that, right? We're not doing the gravity or anything like that. Correct. They are so they're getting let's imagine dock has roughly the same Allegiance abilities as it does now. Okay, so You know having fanatical faith type of six up saves and and the you're escalating blood ritual and stuff like that That's all in play for that for these slanesh units, right? So they still keep their Chaos and their demon keywords, right? But they're but they're able to be in there because they all have the they all inherit this additional keyword That makes them a valid army, right? They all they all inherit daughters of cane Blah blah Which is functionally by the way how, uh, Brock Thringy works. They did your bringing in Jordan, right? Exactly. Yeah the The No points limit, of course just standard one and four, right? So you could you could sneak in Stuff like keepers and things like that if you wanted to although obviously, you know a keeper is cool They're they're awesome But they have a lot less value outside of their book where they're not gaining depravity or whatever, right? There's no summoning or anything like that Uh, their ability Okay, they're the way they're like, uh, so their traits they're sort of the thing that they have is going to be a modification of I don't want to say this a a Combination of depravity and the blood ritual. Okay. They're sort of blood ritual where what happens is Uh, they only get They as an army Are tracking a depravity like thing Yep Except that so we can we can route it to the same amount you need to figure out Is it just like heroes? Is it any kind of wood or whatever? It doesn't matter But the all all it is a little chart that once they hit it They they start pushing up the blood rights table faster than the turn Okay, does that make sense? So like they don't have to wait They can murder to more to accelerate the the blood rate thing Yes, and if they go far enough they hit a sixth Tier like a new tier You know what I'm saying that they can get a special one So it's almost like the tally band of nergal, right like that Yeah, what you're doing is you're basically pushing yourself through the rights To to excess correct. That's yes. That is exactly right They add a new sick. That's exactly you got it tom. That was the thing I was going for They have a new sixth level, which is just like the excess of blood Right and and that would be a nice big bonus, but they have to kill quite a bit to get there And by the way, they're not getting the credit for for like suffering wounds because again It's not like slowness depravity where it can either be I lose or you lose They have to go kill stuff. So are you ready for me to flip this on its end? I'm sure man. Yeah, go ahead Okay, so here you go. Uh, this is a This is a slownesh sub faction Okay. Oh, let me answer one question. Yeah quick. Somebody said does witch elves the army need daemonettes though Uh, I don't know if it needs it, but I'm also assuming this is happening in a new daughter's a cane book So I don't know what the overall unit balance. Who knows what witch elves look like. Yeah, exactly Uh, so yes methods to live. Um, so What I would say is that this is a slownesh faction That We uh, we give this slownesh faction the frenzy table Okay Okay In depravity doesn't summon anymore. Okay Depravity only high pushes up the frenzy table. Sure. Yeah, there's just the same thing inverted over into slownesh, right? Right. You invert over into slownesh and but you don't restrict the numbers, right? Like you don't restrict the numbers of um Of how many dock you have versus how many slownesh you have And and what you know and so depravity there's no summoning because all depravity has is builds the blood frenzy the excess excess frenzy and um And I and you don't have to worry about the dock saving throw like you don't have to worry about like slownesh stuff getting a six up aftersafe I I like the idea. So that's I I get you. I love it better as a dock because here's what I understand Narratively, it's more interesting if slownesh has infiltrated into the dock city because of dock I'm talking about slownesh completely corrupting and turning. I get it. You're saying it's gone all the way over Yeah, it's gone all the way over. I get it to me the interesting point in the narrative is where they're there But they're not the whole force. Yeah, right. That's why I like the idea Because the demons have come in they are very similar. They feel very similar They look similar ish, right? And you can picture them infiltrating into this force The the daughters of kane have this very close connection to slownesh Most of them are the these souls very twisted by spending time within slownesh. It's easy to imagine. They are a very excessive uh race You know, whatever as as they as they're sort of Obsession with endless murder and sacrifice and things like that So to me, it's it's obviously it's a very natural story. I mean, that's why the cult of slownesh existed back in the day, right and the uh The it just everything about it just when I thought of this everything about it works so perfectly Pushing the table to six not only gives you the excessive thing, but it's also the number of slownesh, right? uh And the cross modeling opportunities here are so gorgeous to have the various models Interchanged and stuff like that. They work so well together Aesthetically, I just think it's awesome And I don't think it would ultimately like it would it would seem very easy to put in a box Where nothing got super powerful or crazy because you did it But it's just such an awesome story and we've broken the line now where we know we can cross Uh factions we can cross grand alliances. Yeah Yep So it just seems like between that a potential relaunch doc book And the the sort of tech that showed up in cities and in character and overlords with thuring with rock thuring This just felt like the gimme Yeah, like we're we're already playing in this design space in the game right now And if you don't think we are you're out of your mind, right? Like it started with cities of sigmar And it's only grown As we've moved farther into this like current flight of books Yeah, and and I just think it would like I think it would be something people would really get into and uh, And I think it could have some I think it could have some good traction and and give a cool reason for How do I don't want to say this? Um I think it really would it's sad if the doc book gets re-released And kind of nothing new or exciting is in there. Do you understand what I mean? Like yes, I'd love to see that with firesliders Yeah, I guess. Yeah, kind of right Where like kredren overlords actually think did a pretty good job at this. We can say whatever we want on that book But they did an interesting job of like with these additional sub factions They added or some of the things they explored it made the book an interesting discovery again. Well, I think yes, I would agree with that Um, except that they didn't add like they only took away battalions So we only had four and we went down to three and so I would say that there are aspects of it that actually got weaker Like the design space like a design breadth Again, I hear what you're saying like the the billing out lists makes it unique I Disagree like I think that it sits in the similar space as ko for example I think that ogres would be a good example of something that that like got blown out design wise Sure My point is the the the worst case scenario that I can imagine is literally and somebody just said I think yeah mogwai just said it in the comments is like just a real They released doc 2.0 and it's just like oh we fixed hagnar And it's basically other than that the same book. Well and snakes are good Yeah, like like that's like that's what That's what i'm afraid of that. We're gonna get basically an update to doc Equivalent to what happened with fire slayers. Um Yeah snooze snooze fest. Well, I I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree with you I you know like the books that have received that type of update have been the ones that I've been most critical of Sure I so if you're if you're gonna redo the book take the opportunity to do something really new and cool so There you go and uh and It said doc have no terrain around the spells and let's keep it that way folks We don't need them. Please don't get them So there you go. I think you're insane if you don't think we're gonna get some type Uh, we're not gonna get some type of model release We will get a new box of something uh I don't know either Endless prayers because you can't remember they're one of the factions that have both spell lords and spell like prayer lords Uh, dana house that doesn't the new war cry warband hint that we might get more types of models added to the doc Yeah, absolutely. I think that's I think that's a great call dana because that that new War cry warband one can easily imagine at minimum whatever that is showing up in there So, yeah, I mean I could really see them uh expanding out Like including some of the shadow what what has been classified as shadow blades like so for example the the dual box to uh To the dark fire warlocks is uh or the doomfire warlock. Sorry is the uh uh I'm blinking on them the uh The writers the dark writers dark writers. Yeah. Yeah, like why are the dark writers not in there? Like they aesthetically fit right in this. Well, it kind of feels like since a half of that kid is already in the army, right? and Shadow blades honestly that new war cry warband just looks like Looks like shadow blades the warband But I mean there is a daughter of kane as the the silhouette image right a witch out by me to say So my feeling is they looked at those little hangers on and we're like, let's just let's just scoot that back Which by the way those the hangers on are actually in um They're in cities of sigmar I know I know Yeah, but I feel like they're just gonna be like now. We'll just just kind of put that back over here Just get that right. Well, the question is do shadow warriors jump them Shadow warriors are in that shadow blade like circle just uh, just probably the the k-9 type stuff. Yeah, but Like the assassin and the uh Uh, the dark writers. Yep Yeah, the other half of the kid that already exists in the army Right, that's just weird that it that it's still there Right, especially since doomfire warlocks became sort of a merged version of the kid anyways when they Anyway, okay. There's my there's my first one. So yeah The that's that's my pitch for win slanesh 2.0. Sorry when doc daughters of kane 2.0 launches include that cult That's how I would build it. There you go. Tom. What's your what's your number two? number two Okay, my number two is going to be a Sub faction for a army that doesn't have sub factions All right, namely gloomspite gets okay And it's going to be fangs of the wissenwood. Uh, oh Oh That's right folks We're back at spider bang. Okay I i'm going to fix spider bang. Here we go. All right We were all ready for this who didn't see this coming if you had No, vegas odds maker would give you more than like At best two to one that tom was going to mention spider fang in the show This was not long odds It was about as likely as me mentioning some kind of slanesh base thing. So yes What do we did something like this four years ago? I did the same thing. Sure All right. Well, let's do it. We've tried to fix spiders before Can you do it? Okay? What do you got tom hit me? Okay? So here we go This bolts right on to the top of the Of all the rest of blooms vibe rules. Okay because there's I mean, it's not like there's anything meaningful there anyways um And so it's going to be the standard format for um for temples or tribes or storm hosts or whatever of the four elements, right? Which forces your command trait which forces an item? Grants an ability grants a command ability okay You know like the standard bolt-on template when I said four elements at first I thought I was like Like wind air fire and water what about a heart tom? No, the standard. I understand what you mean. The standard sub faction breakout. Yes The standard for framing that they do it's like when you choose these the four attributes. Yes the attributes And so I'm just going to go right for it for the for the universal ability The venom coated weapons. All right Apply this is there. This is there. This is the just generic ability all everybody gets it all wisdom What'd you call them? I'm sorry. What was your name again? The fangs of the wissenwood? Okay, all fangs of the wissenwood gain the following go ahead. Yeah uh Hit rolls of six do one mortal would Okay, and The the sequence ends there Okay, got it. Okay. Um, and it does not apply to uh fang Gigantic fang monsters fang or inventive spear attack attacks. Okay. Got it So what it does is it basically says weapons That aren't the things that are already doing this effect gain this ability because it's on um Because it's on six to hit uh, it pulls out the synergy from the um of double dipping mortal wounds with the loon boss Okay Does that make sense and so what it does is it navigates this really weird set of overlap by removing everything that would like double dip from this this effect, right? And at the like both that's already in the army from the loon boss and that's or that's on other attacks Okay Okay, yep And this would have a really interesting effect because it would make like spider riders Like their stock would immediately go up because like they have two bow shots Sure, which could trigger sixes or mortals on sixes there Right, so suddenly like those attacks which are worthless right now hitting on fives wounding on fives. I think um To actually maybe do something if you're throwing ten dice at something you're gonna get one or two sixes Sure Um, so it suddenly becomes really interesting, right? All right um Uh the command ability I would do as web spinner Okay, uh, you use it at the beginning of the combat phase Okay You choose a unit wholly within 12 inches of this unit of like the hero that's using this command ability And within three inches of a spider fang key worded unit Okay Okay Quick clarification since someone's asking in the comments. Yes for your universe ability your versatile ability for for these things Can you only take spider things or does everybody in this army get this thing like I take trolls and and anybody Everybody gets it because the key here is that what it's doing is it's poisoning their attacks Okay, no matter what they're wielding they all get poisoned stuff Right, but but if it triggers the mortals They're the damage Things stop. Yeah, it would be pointless on somebody like trolls where they have a multi attack or do multi damage Yes, the key would be like the the question becomes why am I not taking 60 grots with shooters or 60 shooters or stabbards and just having them Right a lot of tons of mortals. That's what like that's the idea I mean the answer to that seems to be that they're fine with that re see skinks So, okay, right like skinks are already doing this folks, right? um So, uh with a lot better bravery, um Uh, so the commandability web spinner, it's holy within 12 of a hero And within three of a spider fan unit, okay Okay, um and basically what it does is that unit strikes last in that combat Okay Because it's a hero phase ability or i'm sorry because it's a combat phase ability at the start of the combat phase It's not at the top of the power level of strikes last Sure, so you you're saying even though we're pulling out of the nosedive that is the activation wars Your solution is let's get right back in there to jump right back in the deep end of the pool With a complicated start of combat trigger that people are going to honestly not understand because they're going to have start Of combat end of combat triggers. Why don't you just say at the end of the charge phase? I thought i thought i thought about that i did like i i legitimately thought about an end of charge phase, but it just felt weird Okay, because i thought about doing like end of shooting phase because that that's a little bit more rockable But the problem with that is that like then you can't then it's like the worst of all possible worlds Because you have to have been in combat for an entire turn as spiders that have no defenses In order to trigger it Yeah, I mean i feel like it's the end of the charge phase is the right answer because just just keep it simple It should be end of charge phase Because if I might act as developer here for a moment because if you're if you if you make it a start of combat trigger Then anybody who can fight at the start of combat can bust out of it Anybody that can start at the fight that can trigger at the start of combat Effects in combat can already bust out of it correct Yeah, so like again, it still doesn't affect that that instance at all Uh, yes, but you won't have which is true Like I agree that we're not changing the the the rules in direction there But you're going to clean up the timing So that people aren't like wait, which one of my things goes first. Does my thing go first or your thing? that's fair You could also just do like the we could also just steal the corn demon principality And have them like you could use it in the shooting phase On a unit within 12 when you're three inches out and you could then have that units run in charge Like you use it in the enemy Or not run sorry because you're already past run use it in the enemy shooting phase and you would have their charge Yeah, you can do something like that too like all of those are acceptable Like there's a lot of design space to play with here that and I was trying to stay away from penalties to hit Right, like that was that's it. That's a low hanging fruit, which I'm very ready for that Let's not have a ton of penalties to hit and goblins already have too much of that crap going on Yeah, no, and actually I didn't write any of that in any of this cool um the So the command trait is um Is stalking hunter And it just lets your general opt to set up off table Okay Okay You know and he he can he can sneak on it sneak onto a board edge. Yep. All right, so like it's not super strong Um other than it lets him hide, you know, let's him not be sure but like if if you're a wizard is the Arachnorok Yeah, then like it's actually a penalty because you're losing two spells to set up Sure, okay So it's the weaker end of the force command trait, right? Because if you do that you actually don't get the super poison ability the double mortal wounds On your boss, and so that's one of the costs here um And then finally the item was um It's going to be uh, it has to be placed on your the first arachnorok in your army. That's a hero Okay And it is uh egg sack. I was oh my god I was seriously just about to say big old egg sack of spiders. Yes. That's what I was going to say the artifact has to be Yeah, okay continue. I have a concept of what I would want this to do but go ahead Okay, uh any time you take a wound or mortal wound roll a dice All right On a four plus do one mortal wound to all units within three inches Okay, as spiders go streaming out Got it Every time it's taking damage, um, and then if that damage removes this model Instead do a d6 mortals to all units within three inches. Gotcha until the end of the spider fang I'm sorry, uh units with the spider fang keyword or mean to this effect. Sure Fun, may I suggest a potential alternative? Sure And by the way that creates a really interesting dynamic because it it lends itself to like suicide spiders. Yeah, I get it So, uh, uh, so I also my concept was also big old egg sack of spiders. Yeah, okay Yep And so but but I was gonna my rules for it would have been this once a game at the end of your movement phase Okay. Yep. Yep. If this model ends its move within one inch of a terrain piece You may uh remove the big old egg sack of spiders And say that that terrain piece is now infested. Yes, exactly Uh, all models all all models within uh within or within three inches of the terrain piece Yeah on or within three inch of the terrain piece take Some mortal You roll a dice for every model um on a five plus it does the mortal. Sure. I'm flying whatever that's fine something like that some Like there's a horde of of spiderlings and spell that does the same thing sure and And the terrain piece counts as deadly and entangling for the rest of the game Yeah, which I love entangling being able to place it entangling. I think is really powerful obviously Yeah, because you can hurt other people's run and charge rolls. Yeah spider fang units are immune to this Of course to this effect. Um, that's what I would do So that's where I would start I mean, that's done right there to print that right there Just record that last segment back it up write it down done and dusted. You got a new sub faction Here's the deal The the only trick would be like I do think you might want to push the spider incentive a little bit Because I like that you did a little bit of the push through the command ability My fear is I don't want the right way to do this To just be like for goblins just all foot goblins. Yes I mean the right what I would want to see with this is a bunch of like 20s of foot goblins And then all spiders Yeah, but we need to push harder on that incentive if that's really what we're asking for right because all we've done so far is said This is really encouraging you to take now you could do Like what I wanted to do is I wanted to create an incentive to have foot goblins Because right now like in almost all spider faying things. There's no incentive there And in fact like you could just say all spider faying units gain this this this, you know Mortal mortals on sixes ahead you could do that and that's fine And it would just it would it would add Damage to like all the riders of all the goblin units of all the spider units, but that doesn't solve the problem that like Spiders as they are currently designed are just terrible Yeah, I think the way you would want to do it would be something like This let me see if I can change your original I we would still need to workshop this a little bit somebody said uh, oh christiel said all four of these sound useful Don't most these sub factions have at least one bad feature. Um, yes, sometimes they have one weakish or feature You can write off or thing. I think that's your command rate I think the command rate you got there is honestly your throw away because when you compare that to the existing sort of Goblin command rates that one's kind of throw away. Obviously you can choose to ambush. Okay great my You know, there's nothing you're taking off board and ambushing within that army. That's oh, no That's going to be a real power and it has to be your general Which it has to be your general which may not be good Like that's that's part of the like that may not be the right answer So so let me see if I I would need to think about exactly that word this so please Please excuse my messy wording. Okay. Yep. So uh, all That sixes mortals blah blah blah all spider fang units in your army and one non spider fang unit For uh, may also be given this ability For every unit of spider fang you have now again, we need to workshop exactly how it works But I'm trying to keep it one to one. Yeah, I'm sorry. So like you have one unit of spider writers They can poison one unit of goblets weapons. That's kind of what we're trying to establish there. Yeah, right? No, I hear that I do Um, that's fine. Uh, so here's where I'm going to push the envelope a little bit as it as designed right now Like so that's that would be the core of it and then you could there there are like Increasing levels of complexity that you could go out from here. Mm-hmm. Sure. Okay. So that could be like printed in a white dwarf whatever And then one of the easy low-hanging fruits is that you have a alternate build option Of the arachnara with the existing bits that gives you a war chief That gives a combat a combat hero sure writing on the arachnara Sure. Okay. Yeah, like where you don't actually have to change the contents of the kit. No, again, it's just it's all the stuff That's there. It's the same as this get staggered on chief for the uh steam tank commander or whatever. Exactly Yep, so give them the arachnara a combat version Just four four war scrolls out of this one kit can't get enough. Yep. There's a spider that keeps on given Yep, uh, so that's that's one of them. Uh, and then Uh, the next one would be a redone spider rider kit Okay Okay, that creates like i'm going all out here. So here we go. Sure. Okay. Uh, it's 10 spiders All of the butts Are swappable Swappable butts got it. Okay. Key element of the design take note. Take note design team So daren if you're watching hey back seam everybody who's who's in the in the studio Seb all you guys just like make sure swappable butts. I highlight that in your notes. Please. Thank you. Okay continue butts for the spiders because as the spiders are currently designed Right The butts Have like different markings Like you have like the spiny ones and like the little like lava backs and then some have like little embedded skulls And so what you do is you can do different breeds of spiders with different warscrolls based on that That thing so you can have like hopping spiders and fast spiders and webs You know, like you could actually spin out like a bunch of different warscrolls from that Okay So that's the first thing is breeds based on that you could also have mounted and unmounted warscrolls Okay, if they're unmounted you provide standing legs for those 10 gobbos You have like riding leg standing legs and so that you could make units of foot foot force goblins out of it Okay So the box could either be like 10 unridden goblins Or 10 un a ton unridden spiders and 10 foot goblins Okay, uh-huh or you could do like 10 riding spiders or like five and five or something like that Okay Paul I didn't Paul. I'm not meaning to steal. I didn't see your show If if you guys thought about something similar, um, I mean, I'm sure at this point Paul has sketched out every potentiality Probably true. He is he has he has created the singularity when it comes to spiders. It's a spider singularity indeed. Um, and so, uh, Yeah, there you go. Um So then you could you could spin out and if you're willing to do that with different spider warscrolls I don't think that you need to have foot goblins Okay, but if you're only willing to have the current kind of like single war scroll stuff Then you have to go foot goblins, which you need to make them like Forced gobliny in some sense That's what I would say All right fair enough All right, I like it. I mean sounds fun to me and I like your name All right, you're ready for my number two. Yeah. Okay. Here's my second one. Here we go Uh, I'm gonna call this one roiling thunder Okay So this is a new Uh, this is a new great fray Uh for beast of chaos. All right. I don't know how this gets introduced because I do want to do some new kits We'll talk to that in a moment. Okay And this is going to be Uh the dragon ogre Sort of focused fray more about like the thunder and the storm and the lightning Because in my mind the coolest thing Okay, yep in beast of chaos is the shaggoth And the dragon ogre sure sure. All right. Yep. They're just awesome They are they are admittedly awesome now the problem is Is that they have an extreme weakness All right, they have they suffer from ultra elite model count, right? This is this is the classic problem on You know times 10, right because they just have so few Uh, they just have so few models And yet they're the coolest idea. So the question is how do we make them a functional faction? All right. Yep Okay So my answer for how we make them a functional faction Is that we need to make them Tougher and more deadly like we're not going to give them an ogre like ability. Yep. Okay And instead we're going to uh give them a Um, no, we lost tom for a minute. That's fine. Tom had to step away. So instead we're going to make these guys more What I want to say potent in general. All right, so here's how we do that. You ready Royaling thunder. It's here's it's a new as I said, it's a new great fray the universal ability is uh Every uh Like storm shield is the name of their their generic ability. Okay And it's a six up feel no pain all right If this uh, if this model everybody in the in this great in this faction has a six up feel no pain if the model Has the You know dragon ogre whatever dragon ogre shag of keyword. Okay, then it becomes a five up All right. Okay uh If this model has been healed this turn by um, their lightning strike ability that they have they can heal right uh Either the from allegiance perspective or the the shag of spell I guess theoretically or whatever um Then it becomes a four up until the end of until the end of that turn Okay, so it's just like it's temporarily charging the thing in my mind It was like iron man in the first movie sure or like, you know hits him with a bunch of the lightning and and and he's like power Is it 400 percent sir? Huh interesting? You know, okay So that's that's just the sort of generic ability that that handles the toughness thing Right, and it has a cool interaction where we're not giving it to other things where you're not just getting a bunch of Ungor running around with a bunch of feel no pains like yes regular ungor in the army would have six ups because they also get The storm's yields, but like who cares, you know, that's not that's not much of anything Your big guys have five ups, which is where it starts to matter and you can push it to four up Right, which actually should go the distance to making these big Keep in mind these guys don't have that many wounds for what they actually are and the and the points you pay for them And I'm I'm assuming we keep the models and the scrolls more or less how they are Yeah All right So the command ability Okay Is called storm empowerment. Okay. All right And it only works on uh, it only works on um On dragon ogres and jackoffs. All right. Yep, and uh, what it does is Every one of their attacks Okay The the you put the command ability on them and at base Okay, every time I feel like there's a sort of standard designs that I hear so some about to say the same thing You said but it's not gonna stop if they roll a six to hit they deal uh A mortal wound in addition to their damage, that's right, but is this the generic ability? This is the command ability. Okay command ability. Yep, right can only go on dragon ogres However, same thing if they've been you know powered up by the lightning, right? Okay instead already Yeah, then they uh, then they deal two mortals on the six instead of yeah So we're all driving to this like whenever the lightning strikes. They get stronger type of thing, right? Yeah. Yeah The command trait for the army is that uh, the general Okay, uh It either I don't know if it's all the time or it's probably just once per battle. That's the third way to do That's to make it the succulent the general once per battle can automatically trigger the lightning strike heel Okay, instead of requiring The other things that that have to happen. Yep, right He can just make it happen once a game so that he can turn all the supercharged stuff on for a single unit But it's only once a game, right? Yeah, uh, I don't know what the artifact is I hadn't thought of the artifact, but I mean, I'm sure we can do some cool thunder or storm I would rather be thunder oriented because we've got a lot of lightning stuff here. Sure So, you know some thunder crack thing Seems awesome. I'd have to think about exactly what I wanted that to be. But yeah, something like that Yeah, it sounds good. It's that like I love those dragon ogres, man So if I had my ultimate dream to do your to do your style of like now, let's push it farther. Yeah, okay Yep, we have bigger drakes Dragon ogres were the original inhabitants of azir Right, they come from this same land And that's and drakoths and dracothean Yeah, the storm dragon and all of that. Yeah, they're all they're all they're sort of his children, right from azir So I would very much like to uh, to have Your son needs some attention. That's fine. You deal with that Uh, I would very much like a new Let's call it super shag off Okay So I want a basically here's what I want. Let's take the star drake and instead make him half Half like give him the normal half like the shag off Or or dragon ogre half uh, but he is It's a star drake sized So and you've got the dragon ogre and then the bigger version the shag off and then the biggest version which is the Giant star the star the star dragon ogre Sure, why not? You get what I'm saying, right? Yeah, like I don't I Insert clever name here, but it's a star drake size thing But with but cross breaded to have that big upper half. Yep. Okay That's that seems like such a slam dunk to me and that's a new amazing general He can be your big expensive hero Um, yeah, there used to be this kind of like there was a I'm trying I I kill it kicking myself that I can't remember the guy's name But there used to be a named shag off who was super awesome It would basically be expanding on that kind of thing like an ancient shag off type idea Uh, somebody in the comments will tell me what that guy's name was, but I literally can't remember it But he was super cool back in the day. Oh, yeah, so that's my other idea. I think that's uh Uh, I think that would make the army as tough as it would need to be It would give it some real punch to where it could actually do Damage Right and in in some cases some real spiky damage They still have the elite model syndrome. So nothing in there feels like it's going to be broken But it feels like it would make an army more focused on those kinds of elements at least competitive Thank you colak sun eater. That is his name. Yes. Yep. Thank you Mogwai man was the first one to get there, but a lot of people got it I do like Dustin's answer John shag off. Yes. That was his name. I think it was John. Yes So, uh, yeah, there you go. It just it just feels like such a slam dunk. All right So there you go. That's that's some thoughts Those are our factions. Do you have any closing ones any sort of like lightning round? We don't have them fully built out But just kind of conceptual stuff you'd love to see expanded just as you know, here's a thought I'd love to have this expanded. I'd love to have that expanded I I have a thought like there's a couple that I thought of that I'd love to do The problem is I don't know what they would do So so I because I bounced around a lot of ideas most of these are rejected ideas from things I didn't pick as we were prepping for this show. Okay Like I would love to see a clan Eshin Expansion and release that's already an existing faction, but it feels just like so ready to be built out The problem was as I actually thought about that I could I couldn't really conceive Of many new kits. I would want to put in there Right Because there's so many Yeah, yeah, like we have the really just like we have the footpad Rats We have the better assassins. We have the master assassin And we have the demon assassin Right. Yeah, and I was trying to think of like other stuff. I would want to fill that line out with And I honestly wasn't coming up with much Uh, because if it's going to stay it's a pretty narrow band in my mind and and I'm sure this is just me So this is the kind of thing like if this if you're listening to this right now And this appeals to you You love the idea of ninja rats. I'd love to hear your suggestions for what you think like Other models could be because I don't I legitimately couldn't think of of You don't want anything mounted because you know ninjas aren't going to be writing mounts and you know So I was really just And you don't want like I was thinking about like the alchemical like smoke bomb stuff But you move into like like scryer space Well, I'm okay with that because they had they used to have smoke bombs That that was a thing that that they actually carried for a long time. Um, and it's sort of still there in the magic items but My point was like an actual new unit type. What is a new unit type look like? right Uh, I mean, I guess I could think of a couple new variations on heroes Like we got the the guy at a silver tower so the dude who can like shadow clone himself Yeah, okay, you could see variations on new types of assassins i.e the 40k Assassins right and that's fine. It's always easy to just pump out additional heroes, but I mean actual units Right, right like what is the new unit that's necessitating this army? Yeah, there's just not a lot Like molder man. I could just go buck wild. Sure. Sure. Sure. But uh For eschen, I don't know Yeah, and I see some people in the comments who mentioned like the eschen sorcerer Sure, like what used to be around in more time and again more heroes. I can totally See right like that's yeah, that's low hanging fruit You could you could do a bunch of different types of assassin heroes. Yeah, again Just look at the 40k assassins and make a copy of each of them or something, right? And and there you go in addition to whatever. Yeah, right Yeah, like I think about uh Like other armies that might be interesting like I think a like I think a build out of dreadwood would be really interesting Okay Um to have some more like sinister trees More more evil woods like yeah, like hangman's trees and Bad trees that want to throw apples at you. Yeah, like weeping willows Um Like I don't know. I think that that something like that might be interesting um Because obviously silvaneth has been on my head um Look at my armies. Um I'm watching everybody's I'm watching everybody's suggestions over here by the way And there's some that I think have that that are on some good stuff So sam newman said, you know, you could go the full angle and go for samurai rats as well I thought about that, but that's kind of been you know, like OBR Some of that aesthetic the one that I liked is is Somebody mentioned going cross clan. So one of the ways molder and scryer expanded was by combining together, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah So go eschen and scryer combine and give them gliders and technology Now if we start getting into cyborg ninjas, that was the missing piece right there That's where it is as soon as you get into riffs japan Now we're cooking with butter. So yes, like now that you get into if you're going to get into technologically empowered ninjas Now i'm all more if you if you're going that route like skyer for me Doing like the full on airship tech Sure, you could the scryer expansion writes itself. That's low hanging fruit, but but sexy time is cyborg rat ninjas That I don't disagree is amazing and like rat power armor rats Sure Like they just yeah, but like with with ninja tech Right. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, right like night optics and like Juicerat ninjas. Sure explosive Like shurikens. Yes. Yes a thousand times. Yes um Yeah, absolutely now. Yeah now we're going Now we've got So whoever had that idea back in the comments. I'm sorry. It's scrolled away, but whoever had that concept You winner winner chicken dinner. That's my absolute pick I've joked around about it, but I think that there's gas in the um the fire eater ogre sure Um and do an akshi, you know flavored one like you don't have to do the Polynesian ogres You could just expanding the the flame belly the fire belly concept the fire belly concept, right? Of like eating things charred until you go you play with the fire theme and it's you know Like ever winter has it something to you know, you go with this oxhi like the the eternal barbecue or something I don't know. No, that's I think I think there is I think the fire bell is a cool singular model that I wish they would actually take and expand In some way. All right. Yeah, I agree with that. Um, yeah, so those are the easy ones Obviously, we've talked about cities a hundred times. Yeah, sure. Just do more cities. I mean that's again That's the I didn't mention that because I knew we've talked about it before and it's such low-hanging fruit But I think we will honestly see just do more cities You can publish cities book two and cities book three And over the next three years and that is just that slam dunkathon that shouldn't even that should even be a thing Those should already be on a whiteboard on a project plan somewhere Right, and you just integrate new armies into that. Um, because you'll do like haish and ogu You'll have shimon. You'll have uh ger. You'll have uh Haish. Yeah, I mean sure absolutely Yep, yep Okay, cool. Well, I think we solved this if you've got some concepts You'd like to either you think are solid for expansions like this drop them down in the comments. We'd love to see them Don't forget everybody. Please hit the like button. There's a lot of you watching right now. Thank you so much for watching hit like I do appreciate it. It really helps. We appreciate it. 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