 And this was actually this photo is updating to Fedora 36, which I did on release day on my P1 Gen4 It's my daily driver. So I was sitting there watching the update which all went really smoothly My only panic was would it be done before my next meeting? And I was sitting again. Oh, I should take photos. There you go. That was Fedora 36 installing on my running system Anyway, let's see if this works. Yeah, it does. Okay, so I can't see my screen It's still let me present. So obviously huge congratulations to the Fedora community Fedora 36 I think you've got a sweet release at the work you guys are doing in the Linux ecosystem is genuinely awesome You're a fantastic community to work with from my point of view personally, but also from the Lenovo team's point of view Thank you for all the work you're doing and how great you are to work with and You make my life easy getting Linux on Hell in a good way, but you for over really is a fantastic community to work with and just keep doing what you're doing Genuinely all the issues are not really for related there other stuff and I'm gonna touch on that a little bit Just so I want to talk about what's coming up. I don't do sales. I'm not a salesperson. I'm an engineer. So Apologies, it's gonna be probably not salesy enough, but I did want to just do a quick recap on on last year. So We we 2021 was was kind of a rough year to be honest I'm sure it was for everybody. So just very specifically from the Linux team point of view, right? We had the same COVID challenges as everybody lots of component shortages, which really had some problems Which I will get into shortly, but I know I heard, you know, I listen I listen to The next action news and and all these podcasts and old news and I saw old Lenovo's given up on Linux That really really wasn't the case. It worked really hard last year Lots of challenges. I'm gonna go over just a few of those and My aim here is just to kind of set the scene So I'm gonna talk about the upcoming platform through the basics, but it's kind of I just want to make sure everybody's where there's Things don't always happen as they should but we are working really hard and trying to solve those and I and and I have positive expectations Just kind of set the scene. So The start off with the good stuff X1 carbon 9 with fedora was released in the US and in Europe Which was a big breakthrough. So I took a couple of screenshots. This was Week week and a half ago when I put these slides together. So that particular one is from the Canadian site So you can see it's on there. That was the X1 carbon 9 that store the 33 Was up on the site. So that that's there. I think still there I think it is I should have checked it before it was out there We could go and the other one which was actually good news and oh, that's looking weird But we got up in Europe as well. So it was nice to kind of crack the web team The way it works for me is I have to sell my case to all the different web teams around the world And then so European web team that's that's that's what is actually from the French website But my understanding is should be on any of the European website So you can go by Fedora on her next one carbon 9 Which is cool and basically my aim this year is to get more geographies out and more that's that that was the highlight So I put in yellow. We did get a P1 gen 4 out for the UMA skew, sorry skew configuration. So your main means no Nvidia card. Basically We worked so hard with Nvidia and with the red hand is primarily the red hand in this in all fairness but But yeah, we could not get the Nouveau driver to the stage where we could actually it met our quality We do test this we have a level that we have to the standard we have to reach We know most people who buy in video a system are gonna put The binary drive on it, but if we are shipping a preload it has to meet So we couldn't get into the driver up and money But the worst ancient team and in all fairness the US web team were really good and said, okay We're not gonna manage this, but we will do the UMA skew. So that's how you get it That's there's one particularly you have to have the right CPU to me. I'll find it better. They put that up and and honestly Have lots of things to complain about but the web team were kind of good The web team hate having extra special rules to put in place, but they did do it for this and thank you for that The oh, sorry, that was the P1 Gen 4. I didn't press the right keys that so that's the P1 Gen 4 That's gonna stay there for a while because I don't have any more screen shots So the bad news was oh UMA means no Nvidia card So it's Intel graphics. I'm not sure what it stands for. I should know that that's terrible internal speak Yeah, it's the basically the native graphics only So yeah P15 Gen 2 obviously didn't happen. We don't have a non-NVIDIA configuration for it. Thanks, Matthew and So yeah, basically that got clobbered so and and again kind of the same issue that we hit in 2020 unfortunately with the new boat driver, so it's sad. I know there's so much work going on there You might see the announcements from Nvidia just this week. So Like the end of tunnel. I I don't know what's gonna happen this year I kind of looking forward more to 20 20 3 4 5 or when we'll actually be There it was one of those challenges This is one of the issues with Linux one of the things that we have to to work with so I never announced this platform I Deliberately, but we had previously one of the fedora. I think it's fedora nest There was like, you know, we should see if you'd want to see things on and I actually asked Matthew to Hopefully we'll get a pole because I've got similar I put some poles on with things that I thought might be fun to talk about But there was a request like more AMD. So we're like more AMD I'm like the workstation team said yeah, let's do a fedora release on the AMD platform. So yeah, let's go So we weren't really expecting this one to be a particularly hard one. Yeah, he's saying you nice. Let me tell the story first Why fight components were So we had it all lined up with I believe it was an Intel chip that had support in the kernel and Pornet shortages. So they came to us and said, oh, we've got a switch to real tech And we're like half of the real tech driver is not upstream yet. It's what's real tech Yeah, we can get this done You know So And then so we did that and then they can't say oh shortage on the real tech So we're gonna have some media tech components as well We're like, oh, well, can we just do the Linux for just the real tech so we can get this out and Basically in manufacturing, they're like, we're gonna stick in whatever we got so you need to have support Okay, okay, okay, it's what's media tech media tech. Yes, we'll get the kernel drive up. It's gonna be September. All right Then the product team comes us more shortage is we're gonna be putting a quark on part of it Yeah, you've got to be kidding me. So that doesn't dance in my wall and But uh, yeah, so it's what's quark on again all of these manufacturers the good thing to take out of this is these manufacturers are doing Linux drivers upstream so That's good. Let's be, you know But but call com were basically by the time we got the core calm firm The last piece was the firmware in the Linux and it's very much. That was I think If that and again Kurosu the small community was it just in or Inigo Someone from the you know, we updated Linux firmware right away. I it landed boom into fedora And so we've got a cup for preload. You guys did that first We've got after QA and then we found and honestly, this is something we should have caught earlier But there's a mother bug. It's related to mirror mode and Kind of you know, that's still under active work But I don't think I'm going to get that release officially online at too late now Like with you know, all the gen 3's are around the corner. So But just telling you this story just so you understand some of what goes on internally And why when we get on to the next section This is what we were really interested in I Hopefully asterix. I hope so fingers crossed go sacrifice you ritual go all that kind of stuff so For door community, okay? So let's go over the other thing I've tried to be very careful this I haven't Taken any I've only used content that I have is on on the notebook public site. So And there's a few things that is to go around because they're not announced So just bear with me, but I think I'll be able to give you some stuff That's so excellent carbon 10 kind of obvious. We're going to be doing for all on the S1 carbon 10 We've been wet sheet actually for this one. We've been waiting for for dollar 3620 so I've been attending some of the the go-no-go meetings just to keep track of it and as soon as we got the You know conclusion from Ben That image went straight off to go into a preload and went off to Maria fine. I'm not gonna say anything too stupid We went straight off and so that image is in our QA right now and it's off to energy Certification and yet no I was but I was yeah every week. I was like Is it gonna go? Is that really a blocker? But hey, I have the same thing on myself that so it's all cool. It actually works out kind of well, honestly So that's going we did do a pre-run with one of the beta releases. I think back in the middle of Middle of April we did, you know, one of the feet or 36 candidate releases. We did a few run on that honestly No, no issues. I'm expecting a fairly smooth ride Might regret that one There are there three things to mention on this one come to it. So we do still have two blocker issues That are holding up a release. They're both firmware related. They're not, you know, the next see kernel Space there. They're both from where I did one is thermal throttling So the I should actually talk so I'm not good at sales. It's one come ten has got the old lake P CPU so Intel have actually done a really nice job on that the CPU It's got the different the two different cores the hybrid cores with the p-cores and e-cores I'm not going to talk about all the wonderfulness, but you know the I talked to the Intel team and They've done some really nice work in the scheduler and performance You know the performance should be able to get out even she's good We are the X1 calm 10 if you've seen it Thank you Matthew for the polls is thin and light So it's definitely a big thermal challenge. You can see the hardware team has done some work on there But we have one of the blocker issues I have is just thermal throttling on this So I've done some tests and trial bosses from the firmware team And it's looking it's looking promising We just haven't actually signed off on it But I'm expecting that in the next couple weeks and that should tie up nicely with as it goes through our QA So hopefully that will be fixed ready for a release on the web We have another issue with an acpi storm related to w1 funny enough that doesn't impact for Dora So I think you guys are fine. It's related to the version mode and manager So that one should be a no-op, but we still still a little bit nervous just because you cause it's it is Ultimately related to the way the firmware is defining some of the signals. So that one's just just on the radar The other one which I do want to mention is this the X1 carbon 10 is first platform We've had with nippy cameras, and I think I've talked about this in nest previously But do not buy the configuration with a nippy camera So we will be blocking it for the Linux configuration You won't be able to buy Linux with a nippy camera But if you need to buy the Windows version because that's what available in your geo or you do need windows So you can do boo or someone's just you like pain and suffering If you have to buy it just don't buy the nippy configuration. It doesn't work We are working with Intel so that there will be a work around so you can get your camera working and have something on your system It's close source ugly, you know and kudos to Intel that they are doing it But yeah, if you can avoid it and We are working with Intel to have an open source longer term solution It's gonna be it's a little bit slow burners the wrong way, but it's gonna take time So for now if in doubt from it. Yeah That's got you. Yeah, so that's the x1 carbon 10 So p1 gen 5 I have this but this is but this is a bit of an awkward one for me because we haven't actually announced it There are some sites and I put some links later on with some reviews of it So there is the p1 gen 5. I don't actually have like an internal page that I can show the details But it's an old lake H platform so and Basically, it's the next gen of the p1 gen 4 so go check it. I personally I'm using the p1 gen 4 It's my daily driver. I got this probably my my preferred machine I try and switch between all the different platforms just to make sure I try and use them as a regular person would but It it's a nice machine. So yeah, we'll be doing the p1 gen 5 will be doing a full release the door that release on this Comes with the asterix. Let's hope we can get those new go driver issues sorted I know they I know the team that Red Hat are working hard on it I'm really hoping that we'll get some breakthroughs, but no promises. So That's the p1 gen 5 All right, this one's even more fun because I put it the t16 ish AMD So it's not the t16 AMD, but it's very very similar and if you look to the previous side I'm sure you'll figure it out, but we haven't actually announced it. So We're gonna call it the t16 ish AMD T16 specs are really similar and just as an aside I'm kind of hoping that if we do one will do the t16 as well, but I haven't actually managed to get that through yet But um, so I'm kind of excited about the AMD platforms this year So AMD have a Linux a new Linux client team as a news about that. I've been doing it for a year now But they're awesome. They genuinely I mean You know, I'm not dissing anybody else, but you know, they really they're pushing us which I love So, you know, I spend some time working with hardware vendors and nagging and shoulder and say look you gotta do this in an open source friendly way They AMD are doing some some really great work. I you know And I think we're gonna start to see the benefits of that They're definitely pushing our firmware team, which if anybody has one of these AMD platforms, you'll appreciate It's good and I've got some good hopes there. So we're still going through bring up on that We've got some issues to solve but there's some genuinely nice stuff happening with the AMD platforms I have to wait until we've actually completed it to know how good a shape. It's gonna be and you know I'm always nervous about component shortages, obviously But it's so far. It's looking good. So there will be At least one t16 ish AMD platform and then the last one I've got to keep an eye on time. Oh, no, I'm good So we have the new Z series or Z series I'm English ultimately, but they've been off America long enough. So I'm gonna call it a Z series Unless you're seeing me after this off So again apologies for the crappy screenshot There's a link that I've got I think in the next slide go check out. That's the whole marketing switchy You know, they have laptops flying around and they ask important questions like what are you gonna do with your life? And it's like well, if I could just sit outside and drink coffee That would be fine, but apparently I need a computer to do that But anyway, you know, if you want to go see all the glossy stuff check on that link They should become a nice job. So this is the new Basically, it's the equivalent of the X1. So the X1 is our premium Intel, you know cutting edge High-end and that's also this is the AMD equivalence. It's a new series brand new and we are doing Linux support on it And I'm personally also I'm genuinely quite excited about this I did have a Z 16 and I'm kind of expecting this might become my daily driver Unfortunately, I've bricked it joys of early hardware is that firmware updates are terrifying and I did a bad one So I'm waiting to get a replacement for it but yeah, these that I have very high expectations for these and I'm looking forward to To when I can actually really use it. We we've still got quite a few issues solved, but got a good handle on them Not ready yet, but go in there and again So that's what we have in the lineup I think I'm gonna be able to share these slides. I'm sure Matthew and Marie will let me know where to put them So I've got some links there Especially if you wanted to check out what the details on the P1 Gen 5. That's not a Lenovo site So actually Neil, I will come back to you on that one I'm gonna just couple of extras that I put in just because these are actually more industry-wide I don't think they're particularly Lenovo specific just you're aware There's this new secured core PC specification that you might see and it comes from Microsoft We have it on our think pads And the only thing to be aware as a Linux user is so part of secured core PC means to get that designation You have removed the Third-party certificate the Microsoft use and that we use for signing shim To let all secure boot stuff work with Linux. So to get the you know, that's Certificate is disabled by default. So if you get the Lenovo laptops There is a setting in the BIOS you can go to and says enable third-party certificate So if you want to enable secure boot go turn that on I believe we'll have it, you know, that's certificate enabled on our Linux configuration PCs, of course I know it kind of sucks in all fairness to Microsoft. It's kind of a big security hole So I can understand why they'd say ship with it disabled it. It is what it is, right? I mean, yes When I first saw it It's not as bad as it seems but anyway, there's a document there explaining what it is that I put together And I just this is not gonna be a Lenovo thing. So just if you're buying a new PC and you want to run Linux on it I mean It sounds stupid you want the Linux support But if if secure boot is important to you that makes sure whatever the vendors that they have the support to be able to Enable that Honestly, I'll be surprised if any vendor doesn't have it because it does get used for running diagnostics and You know, I think bit long not a bit like that shoot. I forgot the name But yeah, there's other tools that use it is not just Linux But just wanted to make that there's a heads up something to keep it a wet keep an eye out on for new hardware Which is where and I put Lincoln for the next site if you're what if you're, you know We do other platforms other than once we do for door on the Fedora offerings are growing because you guys are awesome And we want to do more that but it does take time resources and all that We do have, you know, the other ones which Fedora runs on great, right? I put I run for dawn virtually everything I get hold of just to check in it And it's good. So even if we don't have it as preload you should still get Alrighty Yeah, no, I've had some interesting conversations and thoughts. Anyway, so questions. I try I'm not good at most asking But there's been a whole bunch on the side I have put my mark Pearson at Lenovo.com you are very welcome to email me with questions if I can't answer anything follow-up Boxes now So I try really hard to answer everything if I miss it you are very welcome to get just nag me. It's all good Do you want me to read you questions here? Yeah? Yeah, sure. No, let's have it. Let's have a chat Some of these you may have already answered if you already did you can just say skip. I'm just gonna go in the popularity order of the votes How do you feel about that recent open sourcing of NVIDIA kernel driver modules? Are you So we we work with the beta I have to be honest I found out about it in the news same as everybody else and I said no, I can't tell you that silly God No, I am genuinely excited because yeah, I want Nouveau to work. I really do But I understand the challenges they're facing I do not want to I don't want to come across as if I'm throwing the red engineers on the bus They didn't ever know it's not that I totally get the challenges and what they have to work with We have put a lot of pressure on NVIDIA I don't know I honestly can't say if that helps push them NVIDIA are losing sales to a couple of Big corporate limits clients because of the close source nature. So there's incentives for that. They have us Badgering them. I'm sure other vendors are doing the same. So I'm excited. I looked at it I there's no graphic support in what they've done There's a whole heap of work and as anybody who works in them. It's nose a whole heap of work means It's not gonna happen overnight. So I'm not it's not gonna have I don't think it's gonna help a lot this year Realistically, I might be wrong next year Maybe I'm looking at the other half of that Cool so Neil also asked the contributor sign-up portal for Lenovo discount seems to be gone. Is the offer gone for Fedora contributors? It turns out that the slash at the end stopped working It used to work and it does not work with the slash at the end anymore So find that and send that out again And also you put the slash there does very confusing things Great. So that portal honestly has been a nightmare. So, yeah, take the slash off you get that the portal is still there I don't know if this is good or bad. It broke right the whole Authentication broke around Black Friday. I think it was and so the portal team went We'll just open it Honestly, just go use it's supposed to be a way of rewarding of a discount for people who actually Contribute to Linux. That's what we want. We want people who contribute to Linux, you know, get the discount plan But yeah, it's there The person who was running went on maternal leave as well So I've got to get back in touch with her to get it all fixed up But it is still there. I had a conversation with someone the discounts are still decent I believe as always my main recommendation is if there's a sale on check the regular sale prices They actually seem to have fixed that like there's a sale on I think right now or last week anyway But check the prices on the big site first pull the way I look the portal it's very like what we get as a you know, we get an employee discount and Most of time it's just like, you know to get the sale price and when there's a sale on you kind of look at me Yeah, but um, yeah, so it is there still every now and then it's really good I bought my desktop workstation with it and it was uh, I bought it Almost $5,000 configuration for that was on the regular store on the sale price for uh under $3,000 So I don't have one of those. I really want one of those. I haven't got one yet. It's a beautiful computer I almost got one and then they were like, no, no, no, we need this for a customer. I was like, really? Yeah So, uh, yeah I can I just take one there's one right at the top Yeah, sure. Um, so I can't really so Linux is not plan a record for that on base laptop Um, we're looking at it. So absolutely no promises there, but we we are looking at it. There's some big challenges And I will I hope I have positive news in the future, but for right now Don't buy expecting to put limits on it uh, do you think I don't know how much you could say this, but uh, will the Will you have an arm laptop which feels uh comparable in performance to like the mac m1 laptops? They're going to be more of a perform. I like a um, you know battery Uh, you know, no, so my understanding is that says the x13 s Um, I haven't got one yet. Uh, I'm hoping to get one But my understanding is it should be good now. Apple have done some really cool stuff in their silicon. Let's be honest But I think no, it should be that x13 s is supposed to be a developer grade Laptop so all the specs I've seen it, you know, 32 gig 32 giga ram and a decent sized disk With the low power and I think it's got a decent qualcomm cpu um, so I think it should be good. I Don't know how it will compare with the apple. Um, but it definitely looks very interesting All right, cool. Um Do you Yeah, uh, here's this is a good one. Um, this may be old news But why is Lenovo interested in shipping linux? Is it part of a bigger strategy or about providing convenience to a certain market? So, uh, no, it's really good question. So honestly customer demand, which is the great thing and I mean, I'm a linux huge asset. I'm a passionate about getting linux running on these things But it's customer demand, right? And so we see it and the great thing is it's It's customer demand from both regular users like a slot and also big corporate accounts. It's actually I have a Folder with all the customers that I've talked to It's getting long and it's amazing how much linux is becoming more commonplace in the corporate world as well Uh, there's I mean, there's tons of good reasons for it, right with the security and the privacy and and and all those Great pieces that is why we know and love linux, but that's that's it's I think it's made it beyond mainstream I mean, we've always had this the year at the next desktop and then I'm not gonna predict that But no, there's genuine demand out there. Um, I don't have numbers, but our linux sales are increasing and Just it's a little bit of a snowball as more people recognize that we have a linux program and we are supporting it It gather. So we're still small. Um, yeah, I want to sneak in Sneak in a thing there because he's mentioned support there. I asked you on email. So this is totally unfair, but One of the things that you actually get if you buy a one-over laptop with fedora pre-installed You can then call up nvidia front line support and ask linux questions I think you can attend you. I'll have any joy with nvidia. Well, yeah No, sorry. Did I say nvidia? I was reading that on the screen. So are you welcome? Please? Right? Yeah, no I was reading nvidia at the corner of my screen the next question. Let me try the whole thing again Help lenovo and ask linux questions to lenovo's front line support If you bought it a lot up there. Um, what? Yes Do you get feedback from them? Yeah, yeah, no, and it's it's getting better. So I'm not going to promise you a brilliant experience I can't yet, but I know particularly from the premium support team actually much more like I have a lot more engagement with them They're really getting used to dealing with customers asking for the srs reports collecting logs Realistically, most of the questions come to us. They're actually able to handle some of the you know common ones On the you know the the non premium support, they shouldn't turn you away They should be able to take a question the ongoing problem we still have is they will ask you what you bought and If you didn't buy a linux preload, then It's a little bit of battle Either linux preload come on But yeah, if you bought a linux preload, then absolutely you should get support. Um, I'm not sure how to phrase this So linux users fall generally into two camps. So there's 90% of the community is amazing to work with and understand that You can't fix I if I have an issue and it's a kernel issue I'm going to work with a vendor and we're going to get the fix upstream and we're going to get it sold But that doesn't happen overnight. It just doesn't like it's a slow process and and honestly even firmware issues they just take time and so I do have a number of Of customers who are very demanding and and like I want this fixed now That's tough. But yeah, no you are kernel mailing list is over here No, and this is it. No, we try we try not to make maybe try and provide ben that It's getting better. It's getting better. I think there's still a lot of work to do If anybody has comments of experiences with them, then let me know Um, and but yeah, overall they're talking to us, which is which is good. And yeah Cool I would actually be interested in the other way around a little bit like hearing from your support First front line support things like things that we could make their lives easier. I think that's interesting Yes, they don't actually I guess the other thing I should be They don't a lot of our linux calls go to our forums So I don't have forums.linux.com. I think it is anyway. We do we're quite busy on there We do a lot. I don't I think most linux people are just like, yeah I don't want to go sit on the phone to talk to someone who's not going to know linux and and they bypass it and They get answers directly. So Yeah, it's interesting and screen share for me is still like, uh, I don't know if there's any plans for screen share on Wayland for doing full thing Like whenever I have to go and look at a customer's desktop to see what's actually going on But no, generally. So what we do SOS report is great. Just collects Probably probably the same as honestly red hat do for handling their issues and then we dig into it towards the customer Mainly try and reproduce it. That's one of my biggest issues is if once we can reproduce it internally, it's much easier That sounds familiar. Yeah. Yeah, and one of the things that I took and I'm worried I'm going over time and heat beating We are over time. Um, yeah Yeah, we are. Yeah, so Yeah, maybe we hey Just want to jump in here. We have a break for the next half hour. So if our presenter is willing double checking that without Totally cool. I just didn't want to override somebody else's presentation Uh, the half an hour is our hard tab for the next session So if you want to take someone to an A you're welcome to do so and the other thing I will mention is that I'm hoping It's what if I come do for door the nest, uh, I know I was it last year I couldn't make it because I was at the cottage. Uh, so I time is who knows some year No, I I Hit this site. I will be for door nest. So if I don't answer anything save your questions and come back I mean, you can email me, but this is fun stuff to So I hope it is anyway, okay, certainly Um, but yeah, I can also I'm definitely happy to hang around and take questions if people want that Let's do it a little bit longer here. Um, there's a question about Basically a usb c Lenovo dock is not detecting some monitors blah blah blah. I'm sorry not blah blah blah, but Yeah, no, no, no, okay. Let's talk. No doc doc says doc says a challenge. Uh, so that was rude. I didn't mean blah blah blah I just there's a lot a lot of Okay, uh, and I haven't seen the question. So I'll yeah Is it is there plans to provide proper support and integration of the docking stations is the actual Yes, then that's a really good question. So we do certify the us are they on the thunderbolt 3 and thunderbolt 4 doc? We have certified those there are issues, especially with multi display support like one display pretty good to get issues and and I I'm actually using thunderbolt 4 which is one country And I think I'm just to pull the power out of my monitor. Uh, think about I've got a raised desk And I put it up for doing these things. Um, but anyway, um, so we do do that and We've had some challenges with the docking team. So again, you guys will understand this, right? So it's, uh, Debugging docking issues is hard. So I had a customer case particularly with uh, and it was actually with the usbc.org thunderbolt, but Trying to find out where the issue is is it and then it's kernel. Is it a docking firmware? Is it We have lots of monitor interop issues like trying to figure out where the problem is that has been a real real challenge and and that particular case it was interesting We went down a great big rabbit hole and it I ended up talking to the intel thunderbolt controller people and we found the issue And we fixed it, uh, and that's fixed. Um, so that's good, but it was it took a long time to be able to Figure out whether it caused it and we honestly were still a bit naive in that side of things And that's something which we've really got to improve on is is being able to say, okay this doesn't work How do you focus on where the problem is but so the the good news is is the docking team have We recently did our with koolgrim for funding that we basically, you know, allocate the funding So we've put in a big request to get some more funds for the docking team So I'm waiting for that to be approved But I'm hoping that gives them some more resources to spend specifically on linux and there are some internal exercises that So we can do more testing. So that's thunderbolt three thunderbolt four So I can't promise usbc yet, but I am testing firmware updates on lbfs Next week when I get my usbc doc. So there is little nuggets of progress here and there and Anything we fix on one doc tends to help the other so I thought you were going to say you're going to break the others. So that's good Usually usually, you know like the issue we found with that controller You know it fixed it for one particular doc, but then it also helps on all the others And I know there's an ethernet issue that I still haven't got my head round. So Our docking Support there's more needed The ethernet doesn't show up the first time you boot and then you have to plug it in and back in again Yeah Okay, because I have that with a non-lenovo I've got an anchor like third-party dock and it has exactly that problem and it didn't use to so I think there's Yeah, it's a regression and I haven't I just haven't been able to track it down. I started and doing by sex sucks Yeah, okay. Um, cool. If you solve that that'll make me personally happy because it's annoying Um, there's actually two related questions here. Um, is there any plans for our intel arc laptops? And then the related question is AMD legion Gaming laptops, okay So, uh, intel, I assume that's the graphics card, right? It's there. Yeah, just really graphics card. Yeah, that's all that's See, this is where I get into trouble. I'm not supposed to talk about stuff that isn't enough. But yeah, that's on the roadmap. Yeah, whatever So, yes, uh, again, and and I'll be I'll be uh, I've been I've been talking to the intel graphics people recently Again, a great team. Uh, lovely bunch of people. So, yeah, um, I don't have any experience with it yet Don't go buying one now and expecting it to be wonderful. But um, yes, we we will be doing some sort of work on that Uh, legion though bad news. There is none. Uh, I don't know anybody in the legion team. I would love to do legion I think it would be awesome. I'd love to get them as part of the Linux program If you buy a system make sure you do your customer survey. So you don't want Linux on us, uh You know put the requests in the forms. They have stuff that goes and scrapes forums looking for customer feedback and analyzing it So let them know, uh, we have a big enough limits program now that at some point I'm expecting no turn and say hey, can we do that certification and Right now it's not And same for just I'll be honest the same for the idea pad I know because my daughter is a gamer that it uses the iq Stuff to control the lights and things on the laptop On the legion things and so we just recently built a desktop system. She wanted to build it herself. So She actually did it and I kind of helped it was it was actually great Um, and so she bought all the corsair stuff and then she was so I gave her a price limit And she had to pay above that and she was going to put windows on it because you know Because that's the best way to upset your father. Yeah, right exactly Then when she was looking at she was like wait, I have to if I build my own computer I have to pay how much for windows She she would she would be like, okay dad. I'll try it. And so she's actually so But she was like, but I need the lights to work. So it turns out there's some, you know Community made drivers that yeah lights just fine So that part's there for Legion already if they need to need that I think that was on was that on Linux unplugged they talked about it a few months back Oh, maybe I didn't yeah, there's a there's a project where that stuff's kind of working So yeah, I have no experience with it there. I think pads don't have exciting LEDs. Unfortunately the one thing And I don't know if it'll make a difference. So one thing that bit us quite or bit a lot of AMD users with Linux last year is Is a modern standby is the sleep support And the fact that linux didn't support it and windows required it So the good news is is with all the new AMD CPUs. So, um, and I can't use code next Anyway, this year that's on the you know, modern standby is plan a record from AMD and So that will help remove one of those annoying issues where it works in windows and it doesn't in Linux So I I'm kind of hoping that field is down because I know I was on a number of Forum things and they're like, yeah, you need to force the sleep by doing these These things because it wasn't on the linux certified platform. So there's an option in the BIOS to go change the sleep mode But of course the legions wouldn't have that support linux But I think that problem will just go away with the with the newer platforms And then this question about uh, Lenovo Vantage counterpart on linux Track points special buttons Yeah, and I I had a conversation with the main vantage developed for a couple of years Can we kind of went through a bunch of vantage and and a lot of key things just don't make sense in linux You know, a lot of it's around doing updates and drive updates and that doesn't make sense. So there are some pieces we're missing So and like battery I I did a bunch of digging into battery. There was some new tco support that we were supposed to meet and Most of it's there in linux already. So it's just not it's not necessarily wonderfully packaged But you can actually do all of the controls I had a conversation with a kernel maintainer about adding in some battery recalibration changes But he wanted it and use the space he didn't want it in kernel. So we haven't really made progress with that So yeah, um, and it's kind of interesting. I think there'll be like if you go look at the website for the zz series You know, it's got an enhanced track point And I think we're going to be missing some of the enhancement on next and that's something which we're going to look at We I didn't do the polls. So I think um Oh, okay. I can't see them anyway. Um, let me Let me go And poor old maria matthew like literally I think was it half an hour before while you were also covering by the way that cpa Presentation was awesome. I'm so jealous of their slides. I'm like, I've got to come up with the movie for next week for next time But uh, yeah, one of the poses like the packaging So, yeah, I really struggle with linux packaging and knowing how to release things in the best way of doing it And and that's going to be something with this vantage. I'll go through the polls here for you the preferred application packaging we've got um Oh, so I can't see them. How come I can't see them because you're not a Uh, I'm not I'm not important. Moderate them. Are you gonna see the polls existing or you don't see the answers? No, I don't see the holes Oh, they're they should be over on if you click on event. There's polls there at the top of the thing I'm in the one place. All right. So uh, so flat pack has got 11 votes 40 percent and rpm has 15 votes 55 percent and one person who uses arch And see yeah, so it looks like you know pretty solid people would like like the tradition rpm but flat packs got a Also catching catching up as a following there Um, I guess for me, it depends on exactly what the thing is if it's very application-like I think flat pack has a lot of advantages if it is something a little closer to the os than rpm or and yeah, it's always the issue right so doing vantage Would I get to do an open source vantage? So so actually I let me just finish right on the vantage side So my preference generally is I would rather do support You know an open source friendly point of way, so I'd rather have stuff like we I did the platform profile driver for the kernel and I didn't do the gnome integration bit and thank you to bastion for doing that and I think a few other people should change one of them I'd rather do things in that way so that it's Honestly any vendor can use it and that it's done tied in so I've been a little bit hesitant to I mean There's there's groups in the novo that would love to have the brand new application And it's not necessarily a bad thing, but I really don't want to do anything that should be done Like battery. I don't think I'd really want advantage I'd rather have something that was open source done for everybody run just There'll be other there'll be other use cases where that doesn't hold as well But that seems like there could be an open source thing underneath and the vantage UI just able to Yeah, exactly. And and unfortunately I'm not a UI user space developer. So I and So it's yeah, it's not I don't always think that way and I probably should So some of the other polls here It's about evenly split between release with closed source drivers for hardware works. That's 53% and Then 47% for don't release if the all hardware doesn't work Yeah And that was really a pointed one because I mean it ties back to the Nvidia ties back to mippy. There's challenges for us, right? And yeah, it's important and and we we kind of danced around the idea of doing a fedora spin With Nvidia and I really don't want to go there I'd rather I like the fact that we do fedora on adults rated right we add documentation And and I like that and I'm proud of that So it's my preference, but it does mean Some releases that happen here. So the next one came out interestingly, which is basically which is more important full hardware support or or Basically or releasing at the same time as the windows, even if something's missing Only two people six percent went for release the same time as windows. They'd rather rather you hold off To work interesting, which is yeah, that's interesting. I I'm one of the two people who voted the other way Yeah, and and just again for the community because and I went to a Linux meetup It was a devian meetup in montreal But I happened to be dropping my parents off at the airport module So went there and it was fascinating because there were a lot of think pads. They were ancient think pads. I didn't know what they were I looked at them I was like it was kind of cool and it was genuine. It was nice to hang out with loads of people My french is not quite good enough, but I got by um But yeah, and and so the the the warning I give with that is I understand where you're coming from because yeah having Full Linux support for everything would be fantastic But the product cycles are so short the one of the issues we've had is like Once we're six to nine months past the windows release date Everybody's looking at us going. We're not going to put it online that you know Everything's just 10 and now and we're looking at the next gen. So it's it's a balance But that makes me I had I had on my kpi last year kpi's key performance indicator So it's stuff that I sign up that these are the things that I'm going to work I had that I wanted to get You know some violinist releases out within two weeks of windows Didn't hit that one Yeah, you're you're setting yourself up for failure We were so close. We were so close with the x1 carbon 9 We were so close and then we had a panel issue with the sr2 refresh So many things outside of your control, right? Yeah, I'm not putting it on my I'm not putting it on my on my review for this year But I still think it's important. I think this is really important To be able to get it because the problems the systems go online and if we don't have the support You can't buy linux and it's so Yeah, it's really useful to have that feedback. I just I'm just offering the my kind of I want the linux business to take off Yeah, and I think that's I've seen all this going on. That's probably what made me tend to vote the other way because If we can't we can't magically make these these things happen I'd rather it be an option without you know, smart card support because it's a niche that you know For the niche that needs it it's very important But for everybody else and then they can't have it and putting w1 in there was a bit of a red flag because We've really struggled with w1 it we made huge amounts progress But it's still not there and and it's one of those devices that we should be able to get out on time Just tether with your phone. Come on Preferred cpu intel is 13 votes amd is 15 votes Arm is only three risk five gets six and power Stuck in there for you. Yes. Thank you. Yes I was going through trying to think of all the different options. I almost enhanced the power, but I didn't know Yeah, right just actual actual power No votes wind up clockwork speeds that one Excellent There we go. So there's the polls. All right. Um, thank you for putting those up. Yeah So, uh, let's do one last before we actually need to get some break before the next sessions here The last question from neal was When can we see the fedora linux laptops in box stores for sale? Wouldn't that be nice? So So there's a few things. So we still only linux is only on the conflict order cto So we still have that limitation We haven't basically It's going to take a while. So we have to prove there's enough linux demand. The GO is going to pre-order Thousands of the fedora loaded laptops and have them sat in a warehouse and be confident they're going to sell like that That's that's how do you do the ready to ship the which is the cheaper windows version? So we're not there yet. We don't have the sales numbers to back that up and That it's not that people aren't willing to consider it, but we just don't have it and I think until we get there We won't have retail stores. So I don't know how things get to retail stores I think it happens maybe more in geos that don't have web sales I don't know that well, but I I don't think we're there yet. I can see I genuinely I think we get I think there's going to be a lot more growth for the linux, especially if we actually manage to get our act together and get some systems online quickly and and I'm genuinely optimistic this year is going to be better and we can all throw tomatoes at me at fedora nest But I will I will pick up that optimism that sounds great. Yeah. Um, thank you very much mark. This is fun as always