 All the meeting to order and for the first time in a very long time in person. So excellent to see everyone faces and more Lovely. All right. Can we have the role, please? Commissioner Sibley Commissioner Hardee's here Commissioner Lane here Commissioner Norton here Commissioner goon Commissioner Jacobi Thank you. Great. Thanks. So we do have a quorum next item on the agenda is the HBC Minutes from May 5th We do have four of the members who were at that meeting present. So we are able to Notify those minutes. Are there any commissioners that have any questions or comments on that meeting minute and Commissioner Jacobi, I just wanted to make sure that you were satisfied with the record that was put on there for The public comment, okay with that I would Entertain a motion and I think for the ease of can we do motions without having to do the mic dance? Okay Okay, perfect So with that I entertain a motion for approval Okay, I moved by Commissioner Sibley Seconded by Commissioner goon all those in favor the way we're going to do this is just raise your hand so that the Video will capture votes. So all those in favor All right, so it passes Four in favor and two abstentions Next item is report from the chairperson Wherein I am no longer obligated to talk at length about how one Logs on to the meeting and waits in the queue and So on and so forth So all I have to report then is that Commissioner Sibley and I did attend the city council meeting on the 17th of May We're in the mayor and the council did Proclaim May historic preservation month. So that was good that council was able to do that and just give a little more public recognition to preservation and Archaeological merit, maybe this is the seat Archaeology Thank you. All right communications from HPC staff liaison So I I don't have anything other than the agenda items. I don't know Jennifer Okay, are there any Questions from commissioners for staff that don't relate to things that are on the agenda Have an update on any Support from the city for advertising for the tours that we talked about I needed to get back to your Rick on that Commissioner Jacobi I've been out a little bit in the month of May. So I haven't had a chance to kind of follow up on that But certainly yeah, let's chat either this week or next week about that I'm happy to kind of coordinate on that I know that The museum is still hosting some upcoming walking tours this month if anybody's interested But yeah, certainly let's chat about the historic east side tour and the potential for advertising for that Here we go. Yeah, I'll just let you know that I just took it upon myself to organize another tour Just because the time is right now if we can do it with city Support of advertising great, but it's gonna be June 25th Saturday morning at 9 a.m. And If if not, I was thinking we probably will do another tour in the end of summer as well And that one might work out better for advertising given the lead times we need for getting things in print and whatnot But I will be doing one in June Yeah, we'll see if we get something up on the city historic preservation web page obviously since you're a commissioner and see what other options we have for getting that's getting the word out for the June 25th Great. Thank you. Thanks. Okay, great All right now we will move to public invited to be heard So this is an opportunity for anyone in the audience who would like to speak on a topic that is not on the agenda You're welcome to come up and provide comment Please do start by stating your name and you do have three minutes after which this This thing's gonna buzz pretty good There's a sign-up sheet out there that they should have properly handed to you and then you know Okay, what public's coming to speak that would be fantastic. You could prepare yourself This is the first time in two and a half years. We're doing this So we'll we'll I think that's an excellent suggestion. Thank you. Thank you My name's Sharon Larry 534 Emory Street First and foremost, thank you Thank you for giving of your time and energy and to the citizens of Longmont for historic preservation When you go online and it lists all the different boards and they give a very brief description If you want to apply for a board for a historic preservation It says considers matters relating to protecting enhancing and preserving properties of historic Geographic or architectural significance in the city. Thank you That's what you've got to do. So thank you. I appreciate your time Okay, so quickly And oh and thank you for meeting in person and and I hope in the future We're always meeting in person, but if not if you could follow city council schedule It's great because I think thinking in silos is not as good as meeting in person That's just my opinion First of all, my most concerning thing is the demolition ordinance I first came to a historic preservation commission February 2016 I mean, this is a long time waiting and nothing's happened and nothing's changed So if if you believe in preservation, I think you really need to address Our demolition code because it's not in favor of preserving So maybe you could put that on your work plan My second thing is A prime example was a house was demoed at 846 emery And it was demoed because it couldn't support a second floor Well, guess what the majority homes in the Sturkey site neighborhood cannot support A second floor and that needs to be looked at. Why did that happen? Why was that even something to consider when demoing? So this is what's going to happen and and what do you do as a preservation board when somebody oops Demo's a house an historic neighborhood is lost one home at a time Stop the bleeding Three I Think it's important that we look at pushing forward on that conservation Overlay zone for henna, which for 30 years preserved the neighborhood It's pretty much intact. And if we don't move quickly Um, it could it won't look the same And fourth walking tours. I feel like there's systemic bias going on So there's walking tours for third avenue and historic downtown and nothing for the east side the oldest neighborhood So what I would ask as a board that you contact The museum and suggest that they adopt or work with your board member who went and wrote his own Walking tours so that our neighborhood People could get to understand it understand the history of Longmont and maybe open their minds to preservation So because the systemic bias They have not included us in this second round. So please work be guardians Um Historically side has been guardians of our neighborhood and we just want you to get on the bandwagon with us Again, thank you Thank you for your comments. Great. Thanks Um Absent to sheet. Is there anyone else in the audience that would like to speak? Thank you. Well, we'll close the public hearing or public invited to be heard. Thank you All right on to new business Which is an update on the dickens barn Is latin property and I believe planning director And we're gonna you have a Report for us Mr. Chairman and yeah, welcome everybody to our first for me anyhow our first in person meeting And we have a number of things we want to bring you up to speed on And the first is the dickens barn assessment and if you'll remember on april 7th after you heard the presentation by The 7-11 folks on their plan for preservation I think you felt that the barn is an iconic structure and what can we do to preserve it So you made a recommendation for them to go back and have their structural engineer Look at it from more of a lens of how do we keep it standing? How do we keep it? The barn preserve there and not necessarily turn it into A commercial building that meets our current building codes, which As you remember brought the price tag up well above Two and a half million I believe to preserve it so And then at the end of the meeting there was a call to staff to Again reach out to some of the departments that would be involved in preserving the the barn And for us that would be natural resources and then also parks and recreation So, uh, jennifer and brian and I did that we did reach out to them And they also I think brian brought out carol or no, I'm sorry. It was um, it was dav David bell from natural resources has a good contact with boulder county and that's carol beam Who's one of their preservationists on uh staff? They went out and took a look at the barn And there was kind of a changing of thoughts. So we think there might be an opportunity where the town The city could take ownership and be the stewards of the barn It's we're still kind of in the infinite stage But because of that we thought well, maybe we should reach out to a structural engineer that we have on contract That has worked with some historic structures here in town To kind of get that other look because that's the first question david bell asked is what's it going to cost? So um We've done that and we've prepared Gus escobar from actually is housed in downtown Longmont he prepared kind of a quick walk through with some Ideas as far as where the the structure is from a structural standpoint And I think it was pretty positive. So um, we have that and Gus isn't here tonight, but if you have, you know Specific questions, we'll bring that back to them But it's it's certainly within the realm of possibility So from that we are also going to meet with parks and rec To see if they have possibly a use for the structure wouldn't be for public use But if they can store equipment in it much like it's historic purpose For maintenance of the park across the street for sandstone park across the street Then we have a use for it and it certainly makes more sense So we're going to continue those discussions. Um, and certainly if it looks better We'll probably have Gus go into a little bit more detail As far as some of the things he couldn't see Just through his walk through and and analysis So, um, that's kind of where we are. Um, and we will keep you updated The applicants have submitted their plans for development. So they're in the development review process It does take a while But we do feel like we should we need to move this forward from from their standpoint as well. So If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them for you or we can pass on questions to Gus and get back to you as well Okay Thank you. Oh I'm sorry. Go ahead. There was one other thing that I did want to get your input So one of the next steps would be perhaps Making a presentation to the parks and recreational advisory board. They're the ones that kind of look at Utilizing funds for various things So I thought uh, mr. Chairman or somebody else could maybe join staff when we get that scheduled I think that would that would really be helpful as well Sure. Yep. I'd be happy to do that I don't we probably don't want the whole board down there. Um, that turns into public hearing, but if there's another commissioner that would Be excited about that then I think that would be a welcome Yeah, I appreciate that that's that's great to hear This is much more in line with the With my thinking at least in terms of what might be required to stabilize So yeah, I really appreciate that. So we do have some commissioners with questions. I'm going to call in commissioner hardy's first Yeah, that's really exciting that the building may have some more life There was just one one item in The Escobar report and I'm trying to find it now, but it referred to Putting plywood on the inside of the exterior walls for lateral bracing and I just wonder if maybe he would also look at Threaded rods and turnbuckles that could keep the appearance of the inside of the barn intact but provide that kind of bracing in a gentler fashion It would run through the building Well, they would be cross bracing and and then you can cinch those up with the turnbuckles Okay, you know to help get the the building plumb and and it stays in place as lateral bracing Okay, and that might work instead of the plywood being throughout the inside. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, good Okay Thank you Hey, uh, let's see Commissioner Jacoby Uh, yeah, uh, I echo your thoughts Lee I just it's wonderful to hear that we might be moving forward and preserving the barn Uh, it might be premature at this point, but I'm curious are there plans to make it The exterior space available to the public or will it be more just Preserved and used for maintenance for the the parks department. Are we going to have signs out in front? Talking about the history of the the homestead Or is it just going to be mostly for storage and we're going to maintain it as a city if we move forward with this? I don't know if you have thoughts on that Well, I think we talked about perhaps some interpretive signage that's on the trail That's close to the barn But we've really only talked about because we're really not going to be able to bring it up to code that we just try and keep at least the inside for storage purposes mainly Hopefully we don't have to put a fence around it I would hope we would need to do that But I think that's about it at this point. We haven't really delved a lot In a lot of depth I'd like to point out just of the all the photos of the barn that we have Almost all the doors and windows are open And the current owners are concerned about vagrants in there And that that's almost ten amount to demolition by neglect right there if the barn were to have a fire or something And it'd be nice if they could close it up. That's again up to them. Um, and but yeah, I I'd offer to go talk to parks and rec two about the history of the the homestead If you if you would like but um, all right. Thank you. Yeah Any other commissioner comments questions? Um, I do have a question about the application moving forward so When they came back to us the last time there were a number of proposals for You know various features signage A video inside the store You know this Some hint of the buildings that were That would be demolished What if any of those are currently included in the application as it stands? Well, you haven't made a final recommendation on it yet So they do have to return to you So I would think some of those elements would still be part of the plan Okay, so that's still an opportunity we still have an opportunity to to respond to that application It's not moving forward absent this commissions No, that's something they would still have to complete before they could yeah, I get final approval. Okay, great. Thank you Great. Well, that's that's very good news and I appreciate your efforts on behalf of the town side and I want to I want to call out the commission for being stout and holding ground So this is it's a real positive so I think when the staff was out there was when we were Experiencing 90 90 mile an hour winds through the area So I got a hand it to them. They showed a lot of Temerity to get out there and yeah, trust me You know, I was sitting inside the barn or standing inside the barn when the wind was howling and I felt relatively safe There was one sheet of plywood I opted not to stand under That's that was just at the opening though. So that wasn't yeah Probably wise, but as as I think even Gus Escobar mentioned it. It's been there this long, right? It's not the first 90 mile an hour wind that that building is seen So, yeah, great. Well, that's that's excellent. Thank you. Sure Okay, and this is not a public hearing So we don't have any public comment about this particular item. All right All right, so on to prior business updates on First I guess 8a would be the HBC code amendments Yes, I'd like to give you an update on that. We are getting close We've talked to as we mentioned we've hired outside counsel to help us Put together the draft and I think we mentioned to you kind of our first step would be discussing with city council some of the Policy issues and some of the legal issues that are coming up with the code. So that it has been scheduled With council this month and then we're going to return to the and basically Repeat that process with the hbc So your next meeting is July 7th I'm remembering that a couple on their team might have had an issue with July 7th, but I thought While we've got you here is July 7th. Is that going to work? That's the 4th of July week And if not potentially the 14th, which would be one week later, I think we can have a special meeting In order to get everybody in in one place and had that meeting And there might be a conflict with the 14th of the meeting in here. I think there's another board meeting Dare they All right, so we might have to look at some different options if the 7th doesn't work Yeah, we did review as a board The calendar at the beginning of the year and decided I don't recall moving this one because Because it's our natural first thursday, but it did no one objected to the okay to the date. So all right So it would be really great if if we could stick to this work Yeah, okay, and and just to clarify this is the in part reviewing demolition ordinance that we've had Out there for some time. So that's that's exactly what we're talking about. Absolutely. Yeah Yeah, and to clarify because of the the legal issues the the discussion with counsel and subsequently with you will be in an executive session so It will be semi-private In order to kind of talk through The legal issues and our options. So that's kind of the first step now one of the other questions is Typically adoption of an amendment to the land development code would also go to planning commission We're looking at options on that. So then we may follow up with A work session with city council a work session with the historic preservation commission and potentially The planning commission so that everybody's kind of on the same page So it looks like uh, that's how we're spending our summer Is talking about the historic preservation code, but it's it's certainly worth it But we'll finalize what that schedule is going to look like in the weeks to come Great. Thank you. Uh, any questions comments regarding the code amendment schedule? No Okay, great. Thank you that So then eight B would be an update on the historic preservation plan Yeah, so that's going to be me. So I'm going to be fairly brief So last month the commission looked at several examples from surrounding communities of boulder Louisville and Lafayette about their preservation plans that they currently have in place I got the sense that the the general thought was that the At least of those three examples anyway that Louisville was probably the preferred example, um, just in terms of format and how it's how it was presented And so staff reached out to staff at Louisville just to get some background information Regarding that we also got copies of their request for proposal and also the contract that they put together for Putting together their uh, their preservation plan Um, and so staff our staff has been talking about that and putting together a scope of work For a preservation plan We're also exploring different funding options for the preservation plan whether that would involve um a potential grant application and or if we have the ability to fund that Ourselves without a grant application. So we're continuing to explore that If if the timing is right, um, and you know, we can reach out and and go through our our purchasing process And we have funding available There there might be the possibility that we do the You know the the plan ourselves without a grant application We'll see how that kind of works out staff still having that conversation And we're going to meet with our purchasing contracting staff as well about that That process. So we'll keep you posted on that end um, and then also, um, and I don't know if you have any specific questions about that one thing I would perhaps like to do is Maybe reach out to history colorado staff and see if they have any suggestions or recommendations of uh, you know professionals or uh professionals that do these types of uh Plans and see if they have any Recommendations for staff to reach out to These new mics are wild. Um, yes, I'm I'm happy to help set up a meeting or facilitate the conversation whenever you're ready Okay, that would be great. Um, and if staff moves forward on their own without getting outside vendors to write it Um, I don't know if we can do this, but I would volunteer to help With whatever that looks like. Yeah, no, we're not going to do it ourselves. Okay, then I just understood Brian No, we would we would contract out for a consultant to do professional consultant to do the plan We would not do the plan on our own We would do something that somebody that's actually qualified to do a plan But but you might help with an rfp perhaps Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, obviously staff is limited in their capacity to put together, you know It'd probably take us 10 years to put together So if you have a misunderstanding, yes, I'll volunteer to help out with any I appreciate that. Yeah, and like I said, we can share like I said the information I got from Lewisville in terms of their RFP their scope of work the contract that they got the consultant that they worked with It seemed pretty reasonable. I mean, obviously this was 2015 and I to think the contract at that time was less than $25,000 So we're going to see what options there are and opportunities we have with our Purchasing process that we have with the city as well in terms of what what those requirements are and then kind of related to that is that last month's meeting we also talked about Some grant opportunities particularly some of the the rolling grant opportunities and one one in particular we talked about was survey grant Which is a rolling Continuous grant application. It's a non competitive grant application. That's a potentially up to $15,000 I think there's a 10% city match For that and you know, that's an opportunity for the city to look more Comprehensively in terms of what their priorities are for survey work in the community What's been done to date? What additional survey work that the community what their priorities are for survey work? And so that's something that I think we want to undertake as well Is is looking at and we might want to reach out to history colorado staff as well and get some examples of those applications that have done been done in the past regarding these types of Survey projects and the grant applications. And so I think we'd like to pursue pursue that as well in addition to the preservation plan So I don't know if the commission has any questions about that as well So we're working on kind of scopes for for both of those aspects Fantastic. Yeah, any commissioners have any questions comments? No, all right. Yeah, thank you. That's perfect. I was going to ask about the the survey grants I appreciate you bringing that up. Sure. Yeah, I was going to ask a question Our last rfp it was for something completely different it was for a housing analysis, but we had nobody respond Because everybody was maxed out and hard to to fill positions And I don't know if it's that way in this world. Um, I'm hoping there's capacity out there, but Is that what you're seeing commissioner holly? I mean is there We're also having trouble filling positions. Um, I think there's less issues with Contracting with outside vendors But people people are busy people are at at max. Um, I don't know what to tell you about that. So sorry. Yeah I hope for best. Yeah, we um, we've had to repost things a couple of times when we've been looking for vendors and staff so Yeah, we're I'm again, I'm happy to set up One meeting or multiple meetings with all the correct staff members who can answer these questions for you guys and Even point you towards possible Folks, okay. Yeah, that'd be great. That'd be super. Okay, and see, you know We could reach out to potential contractors and see what you know, see what their schedules are like How far out they're scheduling and what what options might be available? All right, that'd be great. I think the The rfp that when you were referring to was one that the city's going to reissue based on timing and that was one of the the hiccups and so if we can yeah, if we can Communicate with I'm sure I mean this is a very small pool of consultants. They're going to provide preservation plans, right? So understanding How best to frame that to get The biggest draw would probably be You do need a mic because Was it was it a cost issue? Do you think like or was it open-ended and so it was like a Full rfp. Yeah, we were able to reach out to the people who picked up the rfp and didn't turn it in and and asked them What was the issue and it was all about timing Okay, and it was partly because dola allow let all this money out at one time. So We were competing with every city. I think in colorado. Yeah, we're having problems with that too. Yeah We love the money, but yeah Well, and there's short time frames. Um, so a lot of that is due to those covet funds and those Those will be used up within the next um, like state fiscal ish. Um, and so maybe Maybe next summer will uh Will be easier. Yeah Not that we want to wait that long Right, right. Uh, let's see commissioner hardy's Yes, I just uh wanted to Mention that I assume the the city uses uh bed net or one or the other And the rfps that I've put responses together and gone to Initial meetings for projects in recent months have all been really well attended So, I mean there are people who are still looking for For the work and it may be that you need to Go outside the area Looking for consultants You know, you know, with kansas or new mexico or some other You know surrounding state They may be more inclined Great. Thank you. Let's see commissioner goon I I just wanted to clarify. I did have to look up what rfp was So I'm afraid I'm not in on the lingo and so maybe for the public is Request for proposal right right request. So if it's an rfp, it's a request for proposal if it's an rfq It's a request request for qualification. Oh, thank you. Okay. I appreciate that. Yeah Sorry about that. Yep. We get stuck in the lingo. I know There are so many acronyms in the planning and world All right, uh, great. Well, that's also good news. This is a very A lot of positive positive energy here today Any other comments questions from commissioners? No All right. Thank you. Appreciate all the updates We will go then a fairly quick meeting then on to uh comments from hpc commissioners anybody have a Comment or statement they'd like to make Commissioner goon I'm just excited about that barn and what this what's been accomplished with that and even breaking it apart from the Project or the potential breaking it apart so that the city is showing that it cares about What can happen with that property? So that's just that's really good news. Thank you Commissioner Norton. I'm sorry. Just trying to get myself organized Um, I'm just going to echo commissioner goon. Um, thank you guys so much for um How responsive you've been over the last several months? I I know that it was I felt like it was hard for us as a commission to get our feet under us Especially during coveted and I think there was lots of reasons for that Um, but you've really done a great job in addressing our concerns in these meetings And I think the dickens barn is a really good example of that and I really appreciate Going back and taking a third look Um, and I appreciate moving forward with the amendments and the historic preservation plan So thank you so much to all the staff for all your hard work commissioner hardy's Uh, yeah, I just wanted to add I forgot to mention earlier that I'd also be very interested in volunteering help if You know, you're putting together a request for proposal or or scope of work You know, I've had a lot of experience Trying to deal with those from the other end And I'd be happy to to help look at that when the time comes Okay All right, great Seeing no others in the queue We'll move on to comments from city council representative and unfortunately our council representative is not here. So We'll have any comments from councilman rogerius Which moves us to adjournment Which might be one of the fastest meetings we've had in a while, but that's okay, I guess It is faster when we don't have to wait for five minutes every time there's you know potential for public comment That's certainly true All right, uh, do I have a motion? Oh, let's see Uh, commissioner sublie. I motion to adjourn all right We'll have a second Mike or otherwise All right Motion from commissioner sibley and a second by commissioner hardy's all in favor of adjournment. Please raise your hand Very well, we are adjourned. Thank you Good night