 We'll call the 24th regular meeting of the Common Council order. Pat, would you call the roll, please? Bowman? Here. Berg? Here. Bonet? Here. Doyle? Here. Grop? Here. Manny? Here. Montaman? Here. Moody? Here. Wongerman? Here. Warner? Here. Winninger? Here. 15 present. Corms present. Alderman Groth? Thank you, Your Honor. I would move that the minutes of the previous Common Council meeting be accepted as entered on the record. If we move to the second of the minutes of the previous Council meeting be approved under discussion. Hearing none, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carried. This evening we have Troop 805 with us from St. Luke's. Boys, would you like to come up and lead us in a Pledge of Allegiance, please? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. We have three hearings this evening, and I will take all three, and then if anyone wants any interest, if first one wants to be heard, if party wants to be heard, please step up the microphone. This is a proposed assessment for parking district number one. The second hearing is for proposed assessments for parking district number two. And the third hearing is proposed assessments for parking district number four. Any interested parties wishing to be heard on any of the districts? Any interested parties wishing to be heard on one, two, or four? Alderman Groth? I would move that the hearings be closed. Move the second hearing to be closed under discussion. Hearing none, all in favor? Aye. The attorney. This came in at the last meeting. Hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration. Eldenburg be considered for the Citizens Advisory Committee on Community Development to fill the unexpired term of Bruce Wolf, which expires April 30, 2006. Signed by the mayor. And that can be passed. And I would move that your appointment be confirmed. Move the second that my appointment be confirmed under discussion. Hearing none, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? Public forum, Pat. Ed Procek? Good evening. I'm Ed Procek, 1215 South 13th Street. I'm here this evening to thank you, ladies and gentlemen of the council, and you, Your Honor, Mayor, for your actions two weeks ago. I'd like to speak on behalf, hopefully, of transit management and of the workers and thanking you for allowing us to serve the citizens of Sheboygan and the citizens that really need public transportation. And the main reason why I decided to come up here tonight is because for the last two weeks, the citizens that have been getting on my bus have been saying, hey, Eddie, when you see my alderman, when you see the mayor, will you please do me a favor and tell him thank you? I thought, on behalf of them, all the riders of Sheboygan Transit, thank you very much. Thank you. That's all. David Bebles with us tonight. And there's been a lot of questions on a drop off site and a lot of misinformation out there. What we're going to take, what we aren't going to take, what hours we're going to have, what days are going to be open. And I got a letter from a lady this morning, or today I should say also requesting that someone explain this procedure and what we're going to do. So David, take five, ten minutes and just go through it so everyone understands where we're at with that. Sure. Thank you, Mayor. Well, today was the first day that the drop off site at its current location has now been moved to our municipal service building area. And one advantage of doing this is that citizens will now be able to drop their grass clippings, yard waste, waste oil, metals every day of the week, actually six days, Monday through Friday, as well as Saturdays. We're in the past, we were only open on Tuesdays and Saturdays at the drop off site. And clearly yard waste is our number one bulk item that we receive at the drop off site. For example, and I don't have the final statistics for 2003 calculated yet, but for 2002 we received at the drop off site 6,700 tons of grass clippings, leaves, and tree branches. Whereas metals, the total metals at the drop off site was around 550 tons. Garbage, the waste that can't be recycled, that does get brought down to the drop off site was around 1,400 tons. So clearly the bulk of the material, the yard waste and the metals were still accepting. So the drop off site is not closing, it's just changing location. We're still going to be providing the core service of the drop off site. So I just wanted to clear that up. David, core service washers, dryers, things like that without freon in. Right, freon appliances we cannot accept. In fact, we charge, when we had the old drop off site, we charged $50. Many other places charge less than that and some will take your old appliance when you purchase a new one for a slight fee. Clearly the drop off site mentioned the yard waste. One thing to help us would be to mulch the grass clippings instead of bag them. Besides saving our operations, the time and money, it has many benefits that enhance the lawn. The use of grass clippings in your garden or flower beds can act as a mulch. Composting grass clippings in other yard waste such as kitchen waste and leafy vegetables will help produce a quality compost. Much of the debris that people were bringing to the drop off site should be placed at the curb side. Provided that it's around 3 feet by 3 feet by 3 feet. But basically if it can fit in a 3 foot box and it's under 35 pounds and it's not 100% metal such as, I'm thinking, a ceiling fan, a toaster oven, a bread machine. Those type of items we would receive at the drop off site and basically they were just being thrown away because there's not much to recycle in those types of small appliances. So if they're placed at the curb side, it saves the resident the time and effort to haul it, package it and bring it down. So we have the curb side collection program. It's a very efficient program and that's where we like to see that material. And what was happening is we were duplicating a lot of our efforts with some of that material that were coming to the drop off site when it should be placed at the curb side. Other than that, as I said, it's a change. We're just starting today. It's the first day. We're going to see our goals. Granted, we're not getting much yard waste this time of the year. We're expecting it. It's coming up in April and May and we're hoping the citizens are patient with us as we try to change with them. David, question. It was in a paper that we're going to see junk all over the city, tires, couches, refrigerators, stoves, all that, and alleys, backyards. We pick that up now, correct? We pick that up now on a complaint basis. We work hand in hand with our building inspection department when those areas of, I guess, abandoned material are in backyards and alleys. We do pick that up. It's not rampant. I give the citizens of this community a lot of respect and credit. We have a beautiful, beautiful community and evident in terms of their willingness to bring the materials to the drop off site. I truly don't believe that that's going to be the case in the future. I don't think responsible citizens would do that. They really don't. Baldwin Moody. Thank you, Your Honor. Dave, would you elaborate on metals? What do you mean by metals? When we talked about this issue in Public Works, I thought it was just going to be yard waste and drain oil and I didn't remember hearing anything about metals. Originally we thought we didn't have room at the service building area and re-evaluating it and then, plus, listening to some of the citizens' concerns with the metals, we felt, let's give it a try. We're going to have an area designated for metals at our new location. Anything that is solid metal, you're saying? Give you a Weber grill or something in that nature, a bicycle. That should be recycled, not placed at the curb. When you get those heavier metals, they damage our vehicles by trying to compact it, as well as it truly needs to be recycled by the DNR mandates. Okay, and furniture people could cut apart as long as they can make it into three by three or smaller? Ideally, that's the garbage, right? That's right. I know that's probably the biggest change, is what am I going to do with my couch or my mattress? But if you think about your own household, I don't believe every resident is getting rid of a couch every year. It's probably an event maybe every five to ten years, maybe longer. I think the majority of some of that waste is coming from people moving out of the community or moving into the community, and they find some of this old material, and they don't want it no longer. In that case, yes, they can cut it down and put it into the full-size requirements. There's other outlets that currently handle that material. Our special pickup. Thank you. Thank you, Your Honor. Some of the things were already answered, but I'm just going to state one or two things yet. Concerning the stuff placed at the curb, already this evening, I observed a chair even larger than this placed at the curb, a mattress placed at the curb, these are things we will not be picking up. Is that correct? That's correct. If it's that large, it's something that... our vehicles and our packers are unable because we have a split rear packer where we combine, we collect recyclables and garbage in the same truck, and therefore when you get items that large, you can't fit in the truck, and as well as there are garbage collectors with the weight requirements, back injuries and workers' compensation claims could be a major issue for us. Thank you. Alderman Warren. I think, Your Honor, David, one thing that... we still have special pickup. If someone wants something picked up from the curb... No, we don't. We don't have special pickup, but the privates, the privates will provide either a dumpster or provide some of that service. So we're not doing the special pickup any more? No, no. Okay, the other thing that I was thinking, perhaps if we had a sheet of paper, eight and a half by eleven, two-sided with all these instructions, I could get handed out to the public when they come down to the recycling center. That would help a lot. Do we have a handout? It's being revised somewhat. We have some of the other outlets for some of the materials we don't accept, and we have the rules on the front end hours that we are handing out at the site when people do come. Great, that'll help. David, would that be on the website also? Yes, it is. Alderman Locke, Mayor. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Dave. I think you've explained it quite well. I've had people talk to me, and they say there's no place to take their washers and dryers and couches. There certainly is. Previously, they had to load them into their car, their van, their truck, their neighbors, whatever. Drive it to the city. Now they still load it on their neighbor's truck or van. Drive it someplace else. There's still places available for it. It's just not this address. It's a different address. Correct. Alderman Groff. Thank you, Your Honor. You had mentioned a special pickup, and then Alderman Warner just asked about it. Right, right. Or will we still be having periodic, special pickups where we'll say, okay, today is one weekend that anybody that wants to put a chair at the curb or something like that, we won't have that either. We haven't had special pickups over, I bet you, close to 14 years now. I realize that, but when we were talking special pickups here, that's what I thought. When I, excuse me, when I thought the mayor said special pickup, I thought it was referring to some of the privates that provide that service now. We've had a dumpster program in the city where we allow the dumpsters to be placed on the curbs. How about on a complaint basis, David? Complaint basis? We work with the, we work with the building inspection department again. We notify the property owner and give them X amount of time to, to remove that material. If not, we go there. If failure to remove it, then we go there. And potentially then we, what we do is we, our costs are charged back to that property owner. That's what I was talking about, Alderman Groff. Okay. Thank you. One word, the other you'd have to be for. Thank you, David. Thank you. Very good. Alderman Groff. Thank you. Before we get into the consent agenda. Okay. I would like to pull some documents forward. Sure. The resolutions 2451 through 2455. And these are the resolutions that are awarding the sale of $1,500,000 of general obligation promissory notes for providing $1,500,000 worth of notes for $1,065,000 of general obligation promissory notes for authorizing the borrowing of $3,200,000 and providing the issuance and sale of taxable general obligation securities and authorizing the issuance and providing for the sale of a not to exceed $3,200,000 taxable bond anticipation notes series as well as authorizing the issuance and sale of up to $756,625,000 worth of general obligation land remediation promissory notes. I would move that all five of those resolutions be put upon their passage. Move to a second at the five resolutions be put upon their passage. Under discussion. We have Carol Worth from Kubic, Steven Thompson, and all of you received a copy of this. Correct. And if Carol would you just like to explain what happened today? Good evening. Today we had taken bids for three issues the city was selling in the bond market. One of the issues one and a half million dollars was for the city's 2004 capital improvement projects. And in my memo there is a short description underneath that heading that says that the capital improvement projects were for improvements to the fire station streets storm sewers and storm water management. We took the bids and we which resulted in five different bids and the winning bid which is always the lowest net interest rate was from UMB Bank in Kansas City, Missouri. The net effective interest rate was 2.77 percent. And this is for bonds that mature between 2005 to 2013. So it's a wonderfully attractive interest rate. We are also in a very good bond market right now. We were talking about this in finance a little bit whereas the lowest point of the bond buyer index and that's measured on a 20-year basis was last June and that index was at a lower level of a 4.21 which was a historical 40-year low and right now we're at a 4.35 so very, very close to that historical low so it's a wonderful time to be in the bond market and that's why we're seeing 2.77 percent on basically nine to ten year amortization schedules so very good timing to be in the market. The second resolution is for $1,065,000. Again, it's amortized through the year 2013. This financing is to provide funds for projects done in Tiff District number six. Those projects include constructing and improving restrooms, fish cleaning station, parking area, sidewalks, landscaping, and signage. We received four bids on that financing and the winning bid again was from the same place, UMB Bank in Kansas City and that was a net effective rate of a 2.75 percent. We did one more financing and this was for $3,200,000. This was a taxable bond anticipation note. It's taxable because of its purpose. Federal tax law will dictate if they are tax exempt or taxable so the taxable rate will be higher than a tax exempt rate. These bond anticipation notes have the same structuring as the ones that the city did in 2003. It's a common plan of finance. It's for TID 6 for the South Pier projects so the financings come due and are callable all on the same date so that the city can manage their debt. We received five bids on that financing. The lowest bid was from Morgan Keegan in Memphis, Tennessee and that was an interest rate of 3.12 percent. All three of those financings have exhibits. Each one has an exhibit B, C, and D to the resolutions you currently have. Those exhibits consist of exhibit B is a bid tabulation which shows all of the bidders for each financing. Exhibit C is the actual bid form that was submitted by the winning bidder and that is the contract between them and the city and exhibit D is taking the interest rates on that contract and producing the amortization schedule which demonstrates the net effective rates that we have now talked about as being the winning bid. The city with the approval of the council tonight those late rates would be locked in the city would receive the money on March 29 and of course they invest the money until needed for projects or reimburse other accounts. Also I want to point out that prior to all this happening we obviously prepared a document called an official statement which you may have seen a very large document distributed that nationwide and it is also used for submission to the rating agencies and I am very pleased to inform you that both rating agencies have confirmed the double A rating of the city. You have a double A3 from Moody's investor service you have a double A minus from Standard and Poor's. They are comparable ratings. Moody's uses the one, two and three designation after the double A. Standard and Poor's uses minuses and pluses or nothing in between for their designation. So they are comparable ratings by two different agencies. So that is very good news. We have good news on ratings. And we have three very good sales today from all different participants nationwide. Thank you Carol. You're welcome. Thank you. Hello McGrath. At the end of your agendas was the book that was distributed or the book that was distributed to everybody. Okay. If there are no questions, Pat what do you call the roll? Berg? Aye. Bonet? Aye. Doyle? Aye. Graf? Aye. Manny? Aye. Montemare? Aye. Moody? Aye. Wienfleisch? Aye. Steffen? Aye. Van Agren? Aye. Vanderwil? Aye. Wongerman? Aye. Warner? Weninger? Aye. Bowman? Aye. Thank you. Thank you. Then on the consent agenda, which is items 24-1 through 24-36, I would move at this time that all ROs be accepted and filed, all RCs be accepted and adopted. We pass all resolutions and the general ordinance. It's been moved in second that all ROs be accepted and filed, all RCs be accepted and adopted. Resolutions and ordinance would be put upon this passage. There has been a change. 24-3 and 24-15 are taken off your agenda for now. They will get back to us when they want to pop these sales. 24-15? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now under discussion, Alderman Steffen? Yes, Your Honor. I would like to pull forward 24-21. Okay. Four zeroes. It's the communication from the Schamborgian Area School District relative to the Policely AISAN Program. Public Protection and Safety recommends the report of officer being accepted and placed on file and that the final decision will be made during the normal budget process. As a member of finance, that became cumbersome to us last year because if we do that in November, December, they're halfway through the school year. Do we budget it for six months? The Chief clearly indicated he wanted to support it. I think it really, I'd prefer, I guess my motion is to send it to salary agreements is to be dealt with with 24 142 that they'll be taking up because they're both involving the staffing in the police department I think you know whatever they decide the recommendation comes back to the council or whether we deal with it tonight we've you know here from the police department committee the whole I just think that's a better place to put it because that you know we've got a that's part of their budget with the police department so we should have that same recommendation from the same committee coming together so my motion is to refer to salary agreements second moving to second refer to selling grievance under discussion hearing none all in favor aye all motion carries Alderman Moody thank you honor number 24 23 could we vote on item number two separately separate vote on item number two okay this is pardon would you like to read it please yeah this is by the city clerk submitting communication from Richard pool relative to an encroachment upon his property mr. pool lives on 16th on business drive right on that peak his property is the very closest to business drive he has a document stating that he or that the previous owner of that property was granted eight feet and the city is claiming that it was only three feet and I guess all along I've I've contended that rather than drawing sides there could have been a compromise that the sidewalk was put within three feet of mr. pools back stepper or his patio and and he's got very very little room to get through there I think maybe just enough to get his lawnmower through but yet we made this huge six-foot parkway so trees could be planted there and I just I think a compromise could have been reached so I'm on item number two I would just like to vote no on that emotion yes doesn't have to it's just a division of the question okay that's fine we can do it separately okay vote on that vote on one item one person okay on 20 let's take that document right now then and 24 23 we'll vote on item number one first and then number two okay we need a roll for that all in favor and number one I posed she carried item number two what alderman moody was speaking about all in favor of passage the way it is posed I motion carries yeah okay thank you all in ballman thank you your honor on 24 34 and 35 they are actually both related I just like to put a point of clarification out there please okay I will not be asking for separate for just a point of verification sure and basically what this is involving the farmers market which will be again held this summer at fountain park the clarification point is the fact that we'd be no longer allowing vehicles to actually be driving into the park as he had done in the past because of the fact sometimes it was quite wet and the grassy areas had been starting to become torn up so needless to say we've made the decision and it was passed through our committee to keep the vehicles out of their personal observation of the farmers markets it probably isn't been through the public protection and safety committee yet but in reality I'd like to see in my mind some sort of a licensing for it and the reason being is the fact that a lot of these people that offer the items at the farmers market do this actually commercially think about it it is not just excess food they rent large lots grow the stuff and then sell it and it's more for an income basis than it actually is for farmers market it's welcome very openly in the community I see no problem with it but it's just that is something that I would like to see licensed thank you Alderman Warner I think I have a question on actually two documents 24 22 which is regarding the winter parking rules if that could just be explained what actually is taking place there and also since Alderman Baldwin is raising his hand yes the last one 24 36 regarding the beach restoration at the salt group project if you can explain what that is more the money and funding was coming from for that hello moment okay I'm glad to speak again thank you concerning the all the communications here that we're concerning the snow emergencies and snow and alternates are parking rules we are actually looking to file each one of those by recommendation of committee the reason being is because we're not going to be acting currently on the no parking year round the parking will still be only from December 1st through April 1st and these are all things that we're considering right now to be referred to the committee of the new council by the way the Public Works Committee it looks as though the ordinance will probably be drawn as parking on the same day as you know your overnight parking the way it is so in other words if there's no emergency on January 2nd we would plow you know the even site first things like that so it'd be very simple and again it would be coming out of the Public Works Committee of the new council is that acceptable yes okay then the second item was the beach restoration if you notice today's newspaper today was the last day you were able to be driving on Old Fisherman's Road it is no more as of today what's going to be happening there you did see the dollar amount for the restoration what we're going to be doing is actually covering the old road with actual beach sand it's not going to be the grainy stuff that you find in sandboxes that's going to actually be the beach type stand and we brought in and placed there and this is all within the budgetary constraints of the district Paulette do you have anything to add to that or okay David excellent there's no other questions Pat would you call the roll please bonnet Doyle graph Manny Montemare moody rim flight Stefan then Akron Vanderbilt Longerman Warner Weninger Bowman Berg 15 eyes motion carried 24 37 and 38 to be referred 24 39 by city clerk submitting a change of premises for champs bar for a broad freight to be held on April 3rd 2004 I heard a beep who's handling that one all of them and Doyle thank you your honor I moved that we accept and file the report of officer who does second we accept and file the report of officer under discussion all of them and Montemare thank you mr. mayor just a question they're going to change the premise the broad fry from the from their premises of where they are to where I'm just curious I don't need to know usually usually under state law if they move the premises where they're selling the liquor they have to get approval of the common council and it's usually just back on the backyard in the alley on the patio or is that basically correct yes okay they're only licensed in their building they want to license their outside for a one-day broad fry okay so from inside to outside at that address if they if they had that area licensed year-round no juveniles no underage people could ever go on that property so they only do it as a one-time thing okay well they're questions Pat would you call it all Doyle graph Manny Montemare moody Wren Freisch Stefan van Akron van der Wiel Wangemann Warner Weninger Bowman Berg Bonnet 15 eyes motion carry 2440 through 2450 to be referred 2451 through 55 we already handled that 2456 will lie over excuse me Alderman graph yeah I'm because of the fact that we needed to to close on this by the end of the month I need to ask for suspension on this document is there any objections to suspension hearing none proceed I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage moving to second a resolution be put upon this passage under discussion a quick explanation of this I'll refer to Steve thank you Alderman graph the council I think two meetings ago approved upon the recommendation of the Industrial Development Commission to buy back from Rota Roka LLC 4.7 acre acre parcel that they had purchased in the industrial park they had purchased it two or three years ago with the intent on building a new building the economy being as it was they just changed their plans now they're not gonna be building and the protective covenants call for offering the property back to the city before they turn around and sell it to somebody else and they have to offer it back to the city for the same price they they've purchased it for like I say two council meetings ago the council approved buying it back I was going through the documents preparing the deed and so forth to get ready to close and it dawned on me that where's the money coming from so I called finance and they said you know there isn't any money in an account so it has to be transferred into the account so that we can actually pay for it when we close so that's what this document does I was just asking for the clarification so thank you for taking care of that already one additional question though is we're transferring the money but from where you said there wasn't money it's coming from and reserve reserve fund balance right is there money in there now or here's rich he just walked in I rich I don't ask questions where it comes from I just asked can you put it in the account I'll have to ask for a repeat of the question sure we're talking discussing the rotoroka land acquisition and he noticed that when we're trying to close on the deed that the did we had actually paid for it we don't know where the money is coming from I'm asking my question is where is the money coming from to buy back the land I believe that's part of the business park district 3 but right now because we cannot incur any expenditures on the current if law there it will be I believe it'll be coming from the old industrial park has assisted on some of the expenditures in the new business park at this point and it's put in as an advance that would be repaid from future tax increments from the business park so basically it's advance of the expenditure and with that advance if we happen to sell it to somebody else you don't have to advance it from the first or future revenues would just be paid back okay thank you Rick Pat would you call the roll graph Manny Monta Mayor Moody Rindfleisch Stefan then Akron Vanderwheel Wongelman Warner Wieninger Bowman Berg Bonnet Doyle 15 nights motion carry 24th 57 and 58 to be referred 24 59 will lie over 2460 will lie over 2461 through 24134 will be referred and I would ask Hallerman could you save your copies for plan commission on this so we don't have to make excess copies and Pat doesn't have to go and chop down some more trees I mean the stack is really thick so if you can save them in past month plan commission truly be appreciated all of them in order thank you I think that's exactly what I was gonna say don't send me another back like this I'll bring these along thank you so thank you save them we're gonna be just well plan commissioners only one order man that's right you're talking about next comes a meeting say and it's for the next someone can let we won't make copies for you and someone can let the Alderman on a plan permission oh you haven't Paulette do we need any extra copies though for the plan commissioners she's got copy she can make her own well I mean she's got her copies for her no but it'd be nice if we could borrow some rather than running all that paper off okay if we can borrow some so we don't have to run all those copies off it would save all the water I think I did one more thing this reminds me again about my former colleague Carl Papel when he thought we should have laptop computers we could have all this on a little this someday maybe we'll get maybe Bill Gates will give us the money or something I don't know but that sure would solve this problem thank you 2434 resolution by Alderman Graf winning or Doyle Bonet authorizing transfer appropriations in a 2004 budget Alderman Graf and I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage moving to second resolution be put upon its passage under discussion hearing none would you call the roll please Manny, Monta Mayor, Moody, Winklage, Steffan, Steadafren, Vanderbilt, Longerman, Warner, Wenner, Bauman, Burr, Bonet, Doyle, Graf motion carried 2348 a general yeah general ordinance by Alderman Warner Doyle Moody, Longerman and Vanderbilt amending the code to create a law and licensing committee and transfer certain duties to that said committee Alderman Warner I think your honor make a motion the general ordinance be put upon its passage move to second ordinance be put upon its passage under discussion under discussion your honor this change in the operations of the Common Council will add a fifth standing committee the committee on law and licensing if you remember at our ethics board meeting a few weeks ago I mentioned that this was coming forward from the Public Protection and Safety Committee this change will establish a parent committee to the city attorney's office to deal with legal and licensing issues several years ago the council had a committee called the Judicial and Legislative Committee that committee was dissolved and its duties were distributed to other committees most notably from my perspective as chairman of public protection safety was the liquor licensing licensing function and other licensing issues that were given to public protection and safety the licensing function in public protection safety has been handled by the vice chairman of that committee for obvious reasons it's a large volume of work that's involved in it in the amount of time and attention to detail it takes it takes that vice chairpersons time most of his time to do that is or her time and we've just made a lot of changes in the committee with the licensing aspects that the city has right now going to background checks and other administrative changes but even with many changes the function alone takes up as much as half of the public protection safety committee's meeting time our meetings run from two to three hours most often the average is two and a half and it's not really the length of our meetings that is the problem for us it's just that with these being an average of an hour longer than all the other committee meetings it's the issues that come up it's difficult to spend enough time on them and the citizens are waiting extra time to get into the licensing function there's just not enough attention paid to detail when you're under those types of pressures I think and it would be something good for the city to see this committee come back it comes down to being spread too thin to adequately address the needs of not only the city but the people that the licensing requirements have a direct effect on the public protection safety committee believes it would be in the best interest of the city of Sheboygan if the city's attorney all city attorney's office had a parent committee that gave them the same level of support and direction that the council gives to all our other major departments no other major department in the city is without the benefit of a standing committee to oversee and provide direction to its operations and to address its needs and issues directly and in that I know the city attorney's office I think reported to finance but finance is more interested in other issues and the licensing issues that we've dealt with over the last few years have have really blossomed into a lot more state regulation and other issues there and Pat's office so I think the licensing clerk Sue Richards would would say there's been some really major changes over the last few years and that alone there's an awful lot of issues that come up I think for some older persons this is going to mean there's more meetings but I think the formation of the law and licensing committee will best serve the city and the public in the long run and and allow it to pay more attention to detail and the public protection safety committee unanimously supports this change we've talked about it for probably about six months in committee on and off and talked to the mayor about it so it would form another five-person committee with another chairman another vice chair person and and they would probably meet the city attorney's office like the old committee did so we recommend passage all of them would you thank you honor just to add to Alderman Werner's comments I was on the judiciary legislative committee years ago and that that committee used to run at least an hour and a half I think Steve remembers those and a lot of times we call people in and they're not there so we by policy call them for a second time and if we have our regular public protection and safety issues first and then and staff comments run lengthy then these people are sitting in the hall forever and ever so I I think this is the best idea to go back to this as a separate committee again okay thank you Alderman Stefan yeah just one question we got rid of the committee are we just reinstating this committee so all the former stuff they had they get again or is it just the licensing part but I mean I guess we're talking about the claims I think would still stay in the risk I think that was licensing and I guess issues just so you guys got that clear somewhere you know resolutions or the violence or whatever it needs because I think we need to clarify who takes care of what and I just wasn't clear on that they're getting everything back or just a licensing portion of it good point okay there's no other discussion would you call the roll please Mark a mayor Moody Rinflesh Stefan Van Akron Vanderweel Blangerman Warner Wenninger Bowman Berg Bonnet Doyle Graf Manny 15 eyes motion carried 24 31 36 we'll go to finance 24 137 we'll go to plan commission 24 138 plan commission 24 139 we'll go to plan commission in 24 140 we'll go to special committee of risk management 24 141 is a resolution directing a public hearing to be held in connection with changes the city's official zoning map for described property in the South Pier district that could be passed Alderman Warner make a motion motion the general ordinance be put upon its passage resolution for resolution be put upon its passage move to the second resolution be put upon its passage under discussion hearing none all in favor pose motion 24 142 is a committee report by public protection and safety indicating your committee met discuss the hiring of additional police officers recommends the hiring of one now and two by the end of 2004 that will go to selling grievance 24 143 is an ordinance amending the city's official zoning map to change the use district classification of described property in South Pier district from class PPUD pre-planned unit development to class South Pier PUD 2004-1 and that will go to plan commission I spoke to Alderman Warner a little bit about the one that went to selling grievance for the hiring of police officers we did agree on one additional officer now we will look at it at the end of the year and Alderman Warner correct me if I'm wrong we'll look at the budgetary concerns at the end of the year before we'll proceed with the other to be one for coming up and you do have to give me something ready for protection of safety to advance that to sell agreements that was on that's what okay I think your honor okay I think they need your permission based on the policy so yeah get something out the fact right go ahead Alderman Warner or Alderman right flesh I have documented my packet 135 but I don't see it on the agenda it's the next one and okay yes that's the next one I was looking for between 134 136 we will not have a closed session tonight we will don't need to address that document 135 what you are asking about but before we adjourn I'd like just go over a couple things in Madison I was in Madison last week we had a presentation by Jim Zaleski senior fiscal policy analysts for Colorado Policy Institute and he talked about the Tabor bill in Colorado what it would do if it be implemented in Wisconsin the recommendations if we would go with any Tabor legislation how we should be writing it up and not follow the Colorado legislation so I can make copies if anyone will want copies of this I think everyone should be aware of it because sooner or later we're going to be dealing which I'm hearing from the legislation legislator and the senators somewhere this summer we will be acting and on at Madison on some legislation with the Tabor law so everyone's up on it now it's going to affect our community the other thing this weekend there was a meeting in Madison governor's task force I should say governor's council on tourism and its eyes taxes to fuel tourism and some of the ways the governor's council on tourism discussed a few options and that includes a statewide room tax or use of a sales tax and they throw out different ideas were calico california generated tourism marketing money from assessment on large tourism related businesses in Missouri it was a division of tourism started in 1994 and they received a percentage of the sales tax Illinois said it has a 6% room tax on hotels motels that started in 84 that generates about 65 million dollars so the room tax issue continues but it statewide concern so everyone knows and the last piece of information I was down many of you know I are aware earlier this year I had the privilege to be able to point it to the governor's workforce investment council our initial meeting took place this past Wednesday March 10th and currently there are three more scheduled for this year the council has been charged with ensuring the state utilizes workforce development resources in a most effective and efficient manner as possible prior to our council formation the following of observations were made about Wisconsin's workforce development efforts Wisconsin's workforce development programs are not well coordinated and too often are not accessed by the state employers or employees due to a lack of knowledge or structural roadblocks the opportunities are for improvement in this area are many and the benefits of such improvements are quite clear some of the initial thoughts shared last Thursday and Friday by the council myself was we're thinking of is retain and create higher wage jobs wage scales for jobs in area prepare workers for tomorrow's economy and provide skills for the jobs currently in your area right today add value to Wisconsin's economic base tap Wisconsin's full urban potential implement strategies at a regional level lower regulatory burdens and build a worldwide class infrastructure as additional meetings are held I hope to be able to share with you our progress in these areas the opportunity for our state and sheboygan and improving our workforce development initiatives is vital to our continued success so as we go on I will keep you informed I know we're going on this one also but if anybody would want copies of any of this I will make copies I think everyone should have a copy of the table bill though that is very important I will get it out on your desk Alderman many thank you your honor before we adjourn I would like Rich Gebhardt to educate very quickly the population of the city about Blue Harbor things are coming along so well and so quickly I would like him to comment about how expenses are coming in vis-a-vis the budget all the numbers with me but in general the draws on the Blue Harbor on both the convention center and the resort have been it's greater than 50% at this point that they are on budget we have you know a contingency on the convention center only a minor portion has been used at this point and the basically everything generally is on schedule at this point which I had numbers with me to be able to go through in detail but I but if anybody is interested in that certainly be glad to do that at this point there are no concerns well I guess you know there's constantly reviewing it through staff Tom Holden especially is on the construction side with the Kramer invoices Paulette Enders on all the other invoices working as a team reviewing everything that comes in on the draws and we have issues along the lines can say that there aren't any but we are working them out and we reach agreement as as we go along with with all this but right now it is it is on schedule and within budget move we have not moved any dollars from any of the lines to other lines as they agreement calls for we stayed right on budget if they spend the dollars on one line such as for design that's the max for that line I know at one point in time when we had the open house in January I think it was there were 57 of the 64 condos that were sold at this point are the rest of them sold or all they're in graph I can address the condominium sales when they said 57 they were talking about deposits I've heard now a month ago there were there was talk that there were deposits for 72 condos and there's only 64 being built though those are those are refundable deposits they don't equate the hard sales hard sales as of I think it was about two weeks ago when the bank financing M&I Bank went the developer the balance of the money for the second phase of the condominiums I believe they had 43 hard sales that equated to $13.2 million worth of sales price and originally we were anticipating that there'd be $11 million worth of condo sales you know entirely so it's going to be closer to 20 some odd million dollars worth of condominium assuming they all sell but that was two weeks ago great good to hear any other question all of them involvement document 135 we still have to act on it Alderman Warner didn't we act on it yeah we have to file that I believe right Steve we're withdraw it so while we file that motion I'm not gonna make a motion to file we didn't second a file document 135 under discussion hearing none all in favor opposed motion carry we'll do a second adjourn under discussion hearing none all in favor