 this morning's session. Before we go any further, I would like to request one of us to please lead in prayer. Siddharth Kenu, would you be able to lead us? Yes ma'am. Father, we come to the throne of grace, Lord. Thank you for this day, Lord. As we are going to learn about your world, Lord, it should not be wasted, it should not go in vain, but we are learning, we are getting at APC Bible School, Lord. It will be used mightily for the Kingdom expansion, Lord, and do great works, Lord. Lord, let students and the teacher be used as a mighty vessel that is kept on the King's table, Lord, to enhance the beauty of the King's table, Lord. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you, Siddharth Kenu. So once again, welcome to each one of you for being here on the mentoring call. As you know, what we do here is we answer questions that, you know, different ones of us may have. These questions can pertain to the courses that we are studying right now, or it can be completely different, you know, something that you have observed and are wondering about. So you could go ahead and post your questions on the chat or even unmute your mics and ask the questions. That way, you know, our faculty is here, they will be able to answer those questions for us. So feel free. You could please go ahead and ask your questions. All right. So while we are waiting for questions to be posted, I just want to ask if there is something new, something interesting that we are learning. So if there's something new that anyone here is learning, please feel free to share it on this mentoring hour. It will be really, you know, inspiring for the others to hear from you. So anyone could be the faculty or could even be the students. So if there's something new or something interesting that you're learning. Okay. Could I, like, you know, just request one of us, maybe pass to Selena. Is there anything new that you're learning you want to share with us? Good morning, Nancy. Good morning. And good morning, all of you. Actually, I was, you know, just teaching four subjects at DPC Bible College and, you know, preparing for four of them, Christology, Systematic Theology, Puston Second Timothy, Titus, Philemon, and of course, teaching even Children's Ministry. You know, I was just thinking that, you know, if I had learned all this in, when I was in Bible College, it would have been, it would have been so good. And I was just thinking that our system in, you know, when we studied in Bible College, the courses had so many, of course, we studied a lot of things, but then it was so kind of irrelevant to, you know, really what we are going to teach and minister. We studied about different philosophies and all that, which is, it is good, it is helpful. But I was just thinking how much privileged our Bible College students are to be learning in-depth in each field, in each book of the Bible, even in theology and so much in-depth about faith, Holy Spirit, and the nature of God, and all of those things. So, I was just thinking how blessed they are and also how blessed I am because, you know, basically teaching all of these courses, I myself am learning so much, you know, and I was just thankful to God that for giving me this opportunity to learn once again, and also to be able to, you know, through the help of the Holy Spirit, minister to others. So, it's a good opportunity. And also, I was just telling my class, they were so privileged to learn all of these things because I didn't really have the privilege of learning so many things, especially we didn't have, we didn't study about the person of the Holy Spirit. We come from the traditional church where, you know, we were not even taught about the gifts of the Holy Spirit or the person in the work of the Holy Spirit then, and also in Bible College, we did not learn about the Holy Spirit. So, it's a good thank you, just thanking God for the opportunity to learn. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Pasasalina. Thank you so much for sharing from your life and your experience. Yeah, it's so true that there is so much that the students are learning and even as faculty, as we are teaching them, there's so many new things that, you know, we get to learn. So, praise God for this experience, praise God for APC Bible College. While we were hearing from Pasasalina, Siddhkindu has posted a question here on the chat for us. So, we'll take up that question. So, he says, Ma'am, when I read on something about Abrahamic religion, why are they always portrayed in different way in the Bible? Adam and Eve had two sons, but in the Quran, it is written that Adam and Eve had two sons and two daughters. So, like, what is the correct one? Please explain. Would someone like to take this up? I think we recently had a question about Adam and Eve and the, you know, number of children that they had. So, any of our faculty, would you like to take this up, please? Pasya Jakumar, could I please request you to... Yeah, I was just looking at the reference. Like, you know, in Genesis 4, we read about Cain and Abel and then we read about Seth in verse 25, Genesis 4-25. And then when we go to Genesis 5, we read about Genesis 5 and verse 4. We read about the days of Adam where we read this in verse 4. And he had sons and daughters. So, well, Adam and Eve did have many other sons and daughters, you know, according to the Word of God itself. So, well, and I think we can just go with that. Any other reference point or any other scripture, I mean, any other worldview, well, could be, we know, you know, that might have errors in it. It could be factually right on certain things. But, you know, when we look at the Word of God itself, Genesis 4 and Genesis 5 talks about the fact that Adam and Eve had many sons and daughters. So, I think we should just go with that. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Pastor. Thank you for that. Sitkenu, I hope that answers your question. Yes, ma'am, very much. I will go to clarity, ma'am. All right, yeah. Great. Thank you. So, here again in the chat, Elisha has a question. He asks, can a believer die from a curse of a deity? So, can a believer die from the curse of a deity? That's his question. Would any of our faculty like to address this? Nancy, I'll take that question. Yes, yes, please. I'll try. Yeah. So, I think, Elisha, I just want to point you to one verse that is in Galatians 3.13. And I'll just read that out for you. It's written, Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us, for it is written, cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree. So, through this, we see that it is Christ who's purchased our freedom. He's the one who's redeemed us from the curse of the law and anything to do with its condemnation. And how? It is because he himself became a curse for us by hanging on the tree. So, as a believer, you are redeemed from every curse. And so, no believer cannot die from the curse of a deity. So, that's what, yeah, I'll leave it at that and open it to the rest. Thank you, Pastor Nancy. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Jean. Yes, thank you, Jean, for that. I think there's, it's quite clear. If any of the other faculty would like to add to it, you could please do so. I just wanted to add to what Jean shared to say that, the Bible also talks about different kinds of believers. In the sense, when we read Romans 8, I think we see that a believer can be carnally minded and can be spiritually minded as well. So, but then it says that, that is, I'm just reading from Romans 8 and verse 6, to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. So, you know, the thing is, if I'm a believer and if I'm intentionally walking in carnality, there's, God will always, God will always reach out, God will always, through the work of the Spirit of God in us, convict us, draws back to him. But if I choose to continue to walk in carnality, walk in, intentionally walk in sin, then I'm opening myself up to the work of the evil one. And we know that, the assignment of the evil one, which is to steal, kill and destroy. So, to be a believer, we know that we have certain things in Christ. We have the weapons, we have the armor of God. But as a believer, if I don't know how to use, if I don't know how to walk in the power of the Lord and the power of his might, be strong in the Lord and the power of his might, as we see in Ephesians 6, then, you know, unfortunately, I open myself up intentionally, if I'm walking in blatant sin. So, I just wanted to add that. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, pastor. Elisha, just want to check with you if your question was answered. Okay, sorry, I'm unable to hear you. Elisha, there seems to be some issue there. If you could please mute your, okay, we saw your answer on the chat here. Thank you so much for that. All right, so we could continue. Yes, let's move on. John Paul has posted here. He says, came across one individual during campus elevate, this young boy is addicted and wants to break free. I asked some time to talk in person, but he's not comfortable in meeting in person. The reason being, he doesn't have any friends physically and all friends are through social media. So, he's not comfortable in talking in person. Should we still consider chatting or push for in-person conversation? So, Jean, would you like to address this question? Sure. Thank you. Yeah, John, so what we do see, I think what we see here one is that he somehow has even opened up to you about his addiction and has desired the need to break free. So, that in itself, I think is an extremely positive sign. However, he wants to have some anonymity, which probably is understandable. And also, there could be other, probably some other underlying issues of him meeting people in person. But if he, since he's chatted with you, I don't know how you got to know about his addiction, but nevertheless, I think he's given you a clue there that he would rather chat rather than meet in person. So, I think it would be nice to gently approach him and say that it's perfectly okay not to meet in person or meet in person when he is ready. And you would like to engage him in whatever mode he may be comfortable in. Because if there is an opening, I think we can leverage that and do it in the way that he seems most comfortable. And probably at a point of time, he may be more open for face-to-face interaction. I hope that helps, John. Yeah, the thing is, you know, little concerned about online messaging. So, this person came to me after campus and spoke to me on, face-to-face. And I took, he was willing to take, you know, give his number also. And when I texted him, he wanted to talk only in chat. So, you know, long conversation, I was just wondering if it is okay to have chat, not be comfortable with the, you know, unknown person. And also, from another point of view, saying, you know, how it could, he could take, I'm not very sure. I'm just a little confused. That's it. So, that's the reason I was asking. But yeah, if we don't have in-person opportunity, then maybe we can still go ahead with chatting. Thanks. Thank you. Maybe, John, I think you could probably ask if he would be okay for a for a conversation rather than a meet-up first. And so that, you know, the conversation is a little bit more organic and more, you know, there's a lot more that happens rather than a chat. So, I completely agree with that. So, you could probably ask that. But yeah, if that's not available, then only the medium that is, that can help him to at least share what he's going through. Maybe the intervention also will probably be limited. But nevertheless, he knows that there is someone he can approach. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you. Can I just say something? Yes, please. John, just a little thing, sorry, a word of caution, especially when you're doing things on chat, because at least just some recent experiences where people engage on chat, then they take all your messages and they use it against you. You know, and there are all these kinds of people. So, if I were you, I would just say, if you really need help, come and meet me. Otherwise, I'm not interested in chatting. If that person really needs help, see, you're making yourself available. You're in the same city. You're giving your time. He just has to come across and meet you, if he really wants help. I would be very cautious on engaging on chat these days, especially because I'm just seeing that, you know, people record all those, you know, they have a copy of those messages and they turn around and they use it against you and they can twist and turn and anything. So, I would be very careful. My recommendation is don't try to avoid chatting especially with people you don't know. I mean, amongst us, you know, we can chat with all these new people. And, you know, we also have to be very careful with engaging with new people who come to church because of the atmosphere we're in. And I'm just thinking about, you know, the non-Christians, they can intentionally seed people into our congregations by the men or women and they come in, they pretend to be seekers. And we are very naive. We start engaging with them. And then they use all of that to turn it around against us. We have to be very careful, you know, and all of these things. So, I would suggest you make yourself available and say, look, this is the way I will do it. If you don't want to do it, if you don't want to come, you know, I'm making myself available and giving you my time. If you really want to get help, you come this way. Otherwise, if he says, no, I want to chat and all that, I would say be very careful because these days people turn around and use all these things against us, even though we are very, you know, we are sincere. But our sincerity often gets us into trouble. Then we don't operate with wisdom. So, just take that as a caution and be very careful, especially given the environment in which we are operating these days. So, Vasya, thank you so much. Thank you, Pastor. Thank you, Jean and John for that question. We have two questions here from Herbert. He asks, the first one, he says, as the Bible says, man was created by God, scientists say he came from apes and chimpanzee. Could there be some people who came from the line of Adam and others from the line of chimpanzee and apes? So, that is the first question that Herbert has. And the second one, he says, God said, let's create man in our own image. Whom was God talking to? I think he would have said, let me create man in my own image. Thanks. So, two questions here. We could take up the first question. So, I just want to request any one of our faculty to address this, please. The first question, where Herbert says, is it possible that some came from the line of Adam and then, you know, some human beings, they came from the line of chimpanzees and apes. Pastor, would you please be able to answer Herbert's question? Sorry, I can't help but laugh. Okay. So, Herbert, man was created by God, scientists say. You know, when you think of it, why would we even need a parallel process? Why would we even need a parallel process to create human beings? You know, why would we even need that? And so, I mean, the question is basically saying that there are two parallel processes through which human beings could have emerged. One is the creative process and the other one is a evolutionary process. So, first obvious question is why would you need two processes, right? Secondly, the creative process takes place instant, whereas the evolutionary process takes place over billions of years. Why would you need something like that? You know. So, thirdly, the transition in the evolutionary process, if you look at it, it's never been proven. It's never been proven. It's a hypothesis, it's a theory, but it's never been proven, right? And if you look at it down to, you go down to the molecular level, you go down to the DNA, it's just impossible. So, really, the evolutionary process, it's a huge theory or a hypothesis that's not been proven. So, I would just say that don't waste your time on it. And yeah. So, we talked about it in our course on apologetics. So, you could refer to that. When you want to think about this whole evolutionary process, is it legitimate? Is it valid? Could it be possible? The second one is very simple. When God said, let us create man, he would just start referring to the Trinity, the Father, Son, the Holy Spirit, right? So, that's the community, that's the us, the Triune God, Father, Son, Holy Spirit saying. So, he wasn't talking to anybody else, he was talking to himself. And that's within the Trinity. Is it okay? Thank you, Pastor. Herbert, I hope your questions have been answered. Okay, yes. So, he says yes on the chat. Thank you, Herbert. Elisha has posted the next question here and he says, during the last two Sundays service, Pastor Ashish mentioned something about APC reaching out to the nations. I want to know if there are any plans to reach Africa. So, Pastor, I think it's directed to you. Would you like to? Okay, yeah. Elisha, the answer is yes. That's part of our vision statement to be a voice to the nation and to the nations. And of course, all the nations in Africa, all are included. I'm just making a few statements here because this is kind of a private college. I'm just to let you know that we are looking into how to do this. Meaning, how do we help establish churches and ministries outside of India? That's been always a part and a challenge. And because practically, we have a limitation, meaning from India, we're not allowed to send money outside to outside India. So, what we will be doing is we will set up something in the US called APC World Mission. So, we've actually registered a new domain called APC World Missions. And the beautiful thing is just recently, somebody's come forward to make a contribution of close to 100,000 US dollars towards our missions work all across India, not India, outside India missions work. So, we will get that set up. And then from there, people help and assist churches. I mean, the work during ministry outside of India. So, that's the plan. We're just working on it. And you know, once things are actually, nothing is in place right now other than a domain that's been registered. We have to incorporate in the US. Money's already been committed. More money will come. And then from there, you know, we have to see how God leads us. What we have discussed and I've discussed this with Pastor Nancy, I think last year or year before last year, we will have a process by which students will graduate from Bible College just to give you a heads up. All this will be put in place Nancy and I are discussing these things. A process will be put in place where students who graduate from APC Bible College can submit their proposal of the work they want to do. Example, suppose I'm a student living in, you know, South Africa or whichever country in the world doesn't matter. And I've graduated from APC Bible College, then I can, and I want to plant a church in my city or my country or whatever. I submit a proposal and we will review it. And a lot has to, a lot depends on our relationship with that student, you know, so we observe the students over three years as students study, but as we observe them, you know, we see how they are interacting and how they are, you know, we can get to know. So that's a big part of it. Then from the proposal and you will learn in your third year how to do this, how to, you know, when we talk about urban missions and all that, you will learn how to go about planning. So we will study that proposal. And then based on that, we will, you know, decide whom all we're going to help outside India. Within India, it's a little different. Outside India, this is how we've been talking and discussing. And I think before this year ends, we should be getting all this together. Nancy knows that we have, she's already written up some content. So if you're going to put all this together so that we'll be ready, and then we will officially announce it. And then, so that's the plan for doing work outside of India. It's coming together. It will come together. Yeah. Thank you, Pastor. Thank you for providing clarity on that. And Ilasha, I hope your question's been answered. If you're having any issues with the audio that you could please type here on the chat. Yes, Pastor. Yes, my question is answered. And then I think we are all praying that whatever plans that APC and the Bible College has for graduate students to help spread the gospel across the nations, God will bless that plan and make it fruitful. You'll be ready to join when the plan is set in motion. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you so much, Ilasha. Okay. We have Herbert who has posted something on the chat. I will read it for us. Okay. So he says, good brother Ilasha. Someone yesterday was asking me that you can see other pastors come from abroad and come to preach when your pastor's coming. Indeed, the faculty try and pay us a visit. Thanks. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Herbert. So yeah, we'll see how God leads us. So thank you so far for the questions, the comments, for the sharing that we had initially. So if there are any more questions, please continue to put them across. Our faculty is here to take them up. Right. While we wait for more questions, we had Pastor Selena who shared with us what she's learning, the new things that God is teaching her. So I want to open that question up to all of us. Anyone else also would like to share anything new that you're learning, God is teaching you, you could please share that with us. Okay. Pastor Jaikumar, could I ask you? Yeah, I see. Just one quick point. Just reading through Colossians and when we read through Ephesians, we see that we are exalted to be strong in the Lord and the power of His might. It talks about the unanimous power of God, the supernatural power of God, that we have access to and to be strong in it really. It's like God giving us permission and saying, this is what is made available for you and not just tasted in a little measure, but I want you to be strong in it. And that's such an open invitation for everyone as believers to be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might go beyond our natural strength and ability, which is really amazing. It's an invitation for all of us. So it's something that we can embrace as our new identity, as new creations. Say, this is what God wants for me and not to be averse to the supernatural, not to be averse to the supernatural power of God, you know, because sometimes we see other, you know, maybe the views of it, maybe the, you know, and then we kind of pull away from that. The other thing that we see is also in Colossians that when Paul prays a prayer, so he says the same thing, strengthen with all might, and I'm just reading Colossians 1 and verse 11, strengthen with all might according to His glorious power for all patience and long suffering with joy. You know, it goes in line with what Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 14, verse, you love and desire spiritual gifts, but here the supernatural power of God, the unanimous power of God, strengthening the believer to walk in patience and long suffering with joy and efficiency. We see that, you know, the power of God, supernatural power of God that we are, you know, and it talks about the battle, the spiritual battle for which we are strengthened. So it's amazing, you know, the supernatural power of God, both for character and for, you know, the works, works of God. So, yeah, I just wanted to share that. Thanks. Thank you, Pastor. Thank you so much for sharing from your journey and what you're learning, you know, in your life. We praise and thank God for that. And it's really refreshing to learn this. Ataisha, you have raised your hand. Please go ahead. Did you have a question? Hi, everyone. Good morning. You're fine. Hi, good morning. Pastor Shear Kamar was finished. Jay Kamar, sorry. Okay. What am you asked a question about? What is it to a learning new? I am learning about balance because I've seen and personally experienced sometimes being burnt out when you're taken on too much and also involved in ministry and family work. It's not like it's full-time ministry, you see. And even though full-time ministry, I've gotten a different concept of it, meaning everyone is doing full-time ministry. We're supposed to be in God full-time, but meaning as a career, right? So I am learning balance to schedule myself better, better time management because I was very poor at time management, you know. And I am learning that to the help of the Holy Spirit to better manage myself. So balance everything. And it's so funny that Pastor Jay Kamar shared a coalition scripture that is reflecting on that as well, you know. So I am learning that to sum it up. Thank you. Thank you, Aisha. Thank you so much for sharing from your experiences and your learning. Yeah, bless to hear that. We continue to remain open for questions or even, okay, Sid Kenu. Sid Kenu, please go ahead, Sid Kenu. Ma'am, I have a question. Can you please open your mind? Like the thing is, what I was thinking, like God, He's a mighty, like He's mighty. He created heavens and the earth. He is so powerful. Then why He needs, like why He needs angel? Why He needs man? Like what I was thinking, my question is that He knows the future, like what's going to happen, what is in the past, He knows everything about it. Then why God created man? Like man betrayed Him, man betrayed Him by eating the fruit. Then in the time of Noah, a flood came. And after that, and before that also, like Lucifer, he was one of the best angel. Then he also betrayed Jesus. He also betrayed the Father. God is knowing everything, like God is also knowing that this is going to happen. Then why God is creating that kind of a scenario, like it is going to happen. Okay, yes, Sid Kenu, we could hear your question. I don't know if you got interrupted in between. Hello, yes, yes. Yes, Sid Kenu, go on. Now what I'm trying to say is like, God knows everything. He knows everything, what's going to happen in the future. Then why, like He's creating, like He created humans. And He also knew when He created the humans, He knows that these people will betray Me. And when He created Lucifer, He, like, God knows everything, what is going to happen in the future. And God might be also knowing that Lucifer is there, He will also betray Me. Then why He created these beings and got betrayed? Then He's bringing the flood to teach them again. Okay, yes, Sid Kenu, thank you, thank you. Yeah, got your question there. So what Sid Kenu is saying is that God has foreknowledge of the things that can go wrong and you know, the creation that can betray Him. And yet He chose to create them and then you know, work on their redemption. Why did God have to do this? So that is his question. Would any of our faculty like to address this question, please? Pastor Paul, any thoughts on this question? Yes, sure, Pastor Nancy. Sid Kenu, I'll just answer the first part of the question, why God created man. And we've been covering this in the Covenants, we were studying that God is a God of relationships. And even when we look at, you know, the reason He created man was because He wanted to have a relationship, right? So I believe that there's a reason, yes, you know, God knows what's ahead. We also look at, you know, in the cross, Christ crucified before the foundations of the world. It was, God knew what are the things that are going to happen. But the wonderful thing is God gives us an opportunity, as human beings, as people, God gives us an opportunity to, you know, get involved in that relationship, meaning to join that relationship that He, the reason He created us was to worship Him, to have a relationship with Him. So He gives us that opportunity. And as you said, you know, because of the enemy, there is this distancing between God and man. But the answer to your question on, you know, God already knows, so I think maybe any other faculty can please take that up. I just wanted to share that first portion of your question. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Pastor Paul. Would anyone else like to add to what Pastor Paul just shared? Just a little thought here. Yeah. So Sid Kinnu, just let's, you know, if you look at an example, suppose, you know, just think about an athlete who wants to win a long distance race, right? Like a marathon, right? The athlete, his goal is, he wants to win the marathon. But in order to achieve that goal, he has to go through a lot of challenges, challenges, meaning he has to practice so much, he has to tire, you know, he runs maybe, you know, 10, 20 kilometers in the morning, 10, 20 kilometers in the evening, every day, five days a week, six days a week. Along the journey, he may get in, have injuries. He may have different challenges, but he doesn't give up. He keeps, he goes through all of that for one reason. He wants to win the marathon. But the journey is not a simple journey. It's very intense, very hard. So you can just imagine, now, somebody looking at the, at this athlete, they say, what's wrong with him? Why is he doing this? Why is he running 20 kilometers in the morning, 20 kilometers, you know, in the evening, every day, he is going through so many injuries, he's go, why is he doing this? No, we may not understand, but inside his heart, he has a passion. His one passion is, I have to win the gold medal for the marathon. That's his passion. It's hard to so passion. He's willing to go through all of this hardship, all through all the injuries. He's willing to go through all of that because he's going after his, this one goal. Now that's just a small example. So what was the heart of what's in the father's heart of family, community, right? That's his desire. So he created angels and angels are his, you know, messengers and yeah, but he, he, he wanted something more than that. He wanted sons and daughters. So there are angels who are there assigned to do different things and it is including worship and so on. And then there are another set of creative beings. So with whom he can have family. So man was created for a different reason than angelic beings. So they're all created for a reason, but the reasonings, the reason behind all of this is different. So God knew, God knew that there is going to be all, there's going to be the fall, there's going to be, you know, Lucifer is going to do this and man is going to do this and all of that. So there's going to be all these things happening in the journey, but God is after something and he's willing to go through this journey in order to achieve that. Is that okay? Does it make sense? Thank you, pastor. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, pastor. Thank you, Siddhkanu. Pastor Paul also for sharing your insights. So we have about seven minutes left. I think we can accommodate a question or two. If anyone else has questions, please feel free. Go ahead. You can ask them. Yes. Deepak has two questions here on the chat for us. He says, does the Bible tell specifically about what happens to a person who commits suicide? His second question, how to minister when we come across families of such a person? So they are related. So it's about, you know, whether the Bible has something to say about a person, like what happens to a person who commits suicide, and then how do you minister to the family of such a person? Again, I leave it open to our faculty. Anyone could please pick it up and answer Deepak's question. Okay. I would like to request Jean. Jean, could you share your thoughts on this, please? Thank you. So I think I'll look at question two, and I'll leave question one maybe for Pastor to answer. Now, this is always a very difficult situation when families lose a person to suicide, especially if they are believers, because the question is about one taking off their own life, giving up their own life when it is evident that God is the one who gives life and he is the one who takes away that life as well. But ministering to families is to minister in complete love and no judgment, and to just be in a place of support and comfort and strength. We've had, yes, of course, families asking about whether individuals who are believers who committed suicide would go to heaven because they've taken on their own life. It is at that time, you know, we are focused more on helping them see the love and the grace of God through the hard situation and to help these families come outside of the trauma and the very many questions that they have. So I personally have found that a really difficult situation to handle, although I've never come across someone who's a believer who's committed suicide, but definitely those who have been unbelievers, but just bearing their burden, sharing their pain alongside with them, not being seated in judgment for what has happened, but helping them through that trauma and that recovery and taking them through the grief that they feel, which you would do for anyone who is bereaved, just being able to focus on the love of God and the sovereignty of God through those difficult situations. Yes, Nancy, I think I'll leave it open to someone else to answer the first question. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Jean. Paster, would you like to address the first part of Deepak's question? Sure. So the Bible doesn't specifically say anything about suicide in the sense of somebody taking their own life. I've heard some people use the Scripture in Revelation 29 as though it was referring to suicide, but it's not. They were using Revelation 20. I'm going to look at that first here. 21 and verse 8 where it says, but the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, etc. They will not basically end up in the lake of fire. So they use the word cowardly to refer to people who commit suicide, but that's not it. We can't say that and that's not conclusive. So the answer question, the Bible doesn't specifically talk about suicide, but at least our position is that if a believer commits suicide, that person will still go to heaven because the person commits suicide just because, usually it's because of tremendous emotional pressure. People could be going to different life situations, financial laws and this various things which kind of pushes them over the edge. So even if that person's a believer and they're going through something that really pushes them to take this drastic step, that doesn't mean they're going to lose their salvation, internal salvation just because they gave in to the pressure of that hopelessness or despair or whatever that emotional thing they were going through because we are saved by grace. So anyway, so does the Bible say anything about suicide? No. Will a believer lose their salvation if they commit suicide? No, we don't. At least I don't think so. I don't believe so. I'm convinced that they are saved to the uttermost just because they make that step. Doesn't mean they will lose their salvation. And so that becomes a point where we can encourage people, family members saying, okay, for whatever reason they committed, they took the step, but we know where their spirit is. We know that they are with Jesus in heaven. Okay. I hope that helps. Thanks. Thank you, pastor. And thank you, Deepak, for that question. I hope you've got your answers because we've run out of time. We'll have to close right here. I'd like to request, John Paul, John, could you please lead us in prayer and we wrap up this morning's mentoring hour. Sure. Thank you. Thank you for this time of learning. Thank you for all the questions that have been discussed today, O God. We pray, O God, that we would continue to grow with you, understanding what you want to speak to us, O God. We submit the rest of the class into your hands. We pray, O God, that we would walk with you. We would be able to listen to your voice, God. Thank you. In Jesus' name, we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you, everyone, for connecting on the call.