 Let's talk a little bit about Ulta and the role that Ulta has played, you know, on this journey for all of us. I don't know, Mehmood and Nadia, if you can say a few words about that, and then I know that Daisy can talk about how I dragged her to her first Ulta as well. And I have a few stories as well, but maybe starting with the two of you. And I'm always saying the two of you because you're on the same screen. Well, you know, I met you and Daisy, I already knew Urnava. And of course I knew Nadia also. But when I was doing those blog posts for Ascento, that's when I reached out to a whole number of translators and people connected me to others and and then it was out of that that I think Jason, you proposed the panel at Ulta in Tucson that brought us all together. And that was the first time we met. And then we were able to successfully do it again the following year at the Oakland conference where we had a reading offsite, a couple of readings offsite. And Urnava was able to come to the US on both of those occasions. So I think you played a major role in both of those events. And I also feel like there's just something as well about the energy of an Ulta conference that, you know, you know, allows us to, I don't know, think big and plan big projects. But I'm sorry, I think Nadia was going to say something there I sort of jumped in. That's I think like we can all jump in whenever. Ulta was foundational for me as well as I've already mentioned, in addition to like coming together with all of you in person and not just virtually. In a sense of community in a way, I made other connections other than the two alters that one would mentioned, I went to one more I think or I think you went to one. So you were I think in Minnesota know. Yes, yes, I went to that one. I made connections, which I've kept up. And actually now serve on as a volunteer on the altar's development committee, which is a really fun thing to do to be able to give back in that way. And also was also where Daisy and I had dinner with Natasha, who's the editor of 91st meridian and from that conversation. We co guest edited a South Asian literature and translation issue. Which was very exciting project for me. Again, it like, apart from the fact that we were able to put together pull together like all these different languages and pull together all these different translators. Again, like my community broadened my scope and horizon and in terms of like what we can do and then who we know and how we interact with each other and I think. I think that was the point where in addition to being in Goli Bama she translator I became a South Asian translator as well. It was also useful to, I mean, we know since we went to the conference we attended other discussions and panel discussions. And I'm, you know, this year, I'm reading a lot of check literature and translation, some of which has been translated by Alex Zucker, who we met at Tucson and I think who came to our panel. So, you know, it's just kind of a spin off of other languages and books that you get interested in. And Daisy, you I know one of the ways you describe yourself I think on your Twitter bio is as an escaped academic and therefore as part of that escape that you made. Perhaps you had a bit of an allergy to anything that started with the word con ended with the syllable friends. So it was, it was a little bit of a hard sell. I think to get you to to alter the first time. And maybe you can talk a little bit about your experience there. Yeah, I think I guess my first one was also Tucson is that right Jason, we didn't go to some. Yeah. So, um, yes, I Jason have urging me to come to Alta conferences and I said, Well, I don't know why I would do that. Because I was very much in the early stages of my academia recovery at that time and so I didn't want to have anything to do with conferences ever again. And he so he kept trying to convince me and he said well, you know translators are just like writers only they're really nice. And I thought what does he even mean exactly but he finally talked me into it and and I don't think Jason and I had actually ever physically met until then right on the plane. Right well wait was that before you came to Chicago on the taste book tour. I don't think so. Okay. Yeah, so I think so I don't know but either way we didn't know each other that well, we need know each other virtually but not. We'd never met in person and maybe we'd met one time before but maybe we hadn't anyway, we actually ran into each other in midway airport and got on a Southwest plane together for Tucson and since it Southwest you can sit together right so we sat together. And, you know, it was a kind of a red eye ish flight and everybody was going to sleep and we kept ordering drinks and like hooting with laughter while we gossiped about different translation, you know gossip and fiasco and things like that that we had been part of and you know, I had never had a translator bonding experience before and then of course I got there and these other people were there and it was just more of that fun and we had such an amazing time and one thing that really stood out for me was that a bunch of us I don't remember which of us but a bunch of us wandered into the Korean panel. And we were like just totally shocked into silence to find out all the funding these people had like we just, we had no idea that such a world existed and we're just all of our jaws are on the ground and we. I know that some of you weren't there and some of you were but we like we then we had to we reconvened and we all shared these crazy stories how there's like an Institute, and people have jobs teaching translation and there are, you know, grants to like help fund the publications and the Korean government sends money you know like it makes money available to Western publishers and we thought well no wonder we're having trouble, you know if this is what other people are doing for them. And I think that really planted a seed for all of us think that it's like a think big scenario like this is what we actually need. We'll never have it, but maybe we'll have something maybe we can push ourselves closer to that point that I think that really galvanized us a lot. Yeah, I'll talk.