 So the gates are open and InterGEO, the largest meeting place for the geospatial industry, opened today in Hannover. Utilizing its hybrid concept, the leading event for geodesic geoinformation and land management reaches the geospatial community worldwide. And with that, welcome to the InterGEO TV News. And Andreas Zinning, Business Area Director at Trimble Geospatial, held the keynote at the opening event of the InterGEO conference. In this lecture, he spoke about the importance of connecting the physical earth and the digital world. Let's now take a look at the challenges for the construction industry and opportunities. A few minutes ago, he was in our InterGEO TV studio and I wanted to know from him, how digital is the construction site today? Yeah, that really depends on the area where you're looking at. That means where on the world you are looking. In the Nordics, I think they are very digital already. If you go further south, it will be different. The same with the size of the projects. Large size already have a lot of in, a lot of portion in the digital part. And smaller sites are still done very, very manual. So if it's about the level of digitalization, it's really a very early phase. So it's quite different from the buildings in the buildings industry. We already have digitalization since several years. If you think about the BIM approach, for the infrastructure, it's quite new. So that's due to the fact that handling infrastructure data is far more complex than handling data from a building. OK, thank you very much. So you just mentioned a bit, but what do you think are the biggest challenges the industry is facing and what opportunities do you see on the horizon when you have a look at the future of the construction sites and the digitalization of the industry? So the challenges today are, it's a several challenges. One is definitely to bring all the different data in one common environment. So we have data from different sources which need to come together. That's a problem because the data was not designed for that. So it needs definitions, it needs common exchangeable data formats which can be used, that's one thing. The other thing is education. So we need the people on site being able to work with these procedures. So that's a question to the education. So will coming engineers, will have the capability to use this data to really to proceed and move forward with these projects? That's something I think will be key if this can be successful in future. And for the next steps we'll be really finishing the first project in a complete digital environment. That would be my dream really to have one project managed on a complete digital platform. I think that's a little bit far in future, will not happen immediately. But as soon this has happened I think we are at the stage that we can handle digital construction site in this kind of form. Yeah, that seems clear to me that you need the skills of the workers and you need the education of the new systems, of the ecosystems and regarding connected data and so on. But I have just another question. So talking about the geospatial industry, what can the geospatial industry contribute to this development in this industry? Yeah, we had an interesting conversation this morning after the keynote and after the interview there. It was about where's the role of our geospatial industry in this environment. I was talking pretty much about infrastructure. But to me the surveyor with his specific knowledge is one of the most important one in this process because he has the knowledge how to handle coordinate systems which are the base for all projects. He has the knowledge to provide accuracy to these systems. And I think the geospatial professionals they have to bring their knowledge in and position them as one of the key persons in these projects having the knowledge to make the foundation for the data. And that comes from the cadester, that comes from the surveyors in the field, that comes from the construction company. The surveyor is here really the central element in this. And what role does new technologies like machine learning or the so-called artificial intelligence do play in that context? Yeah, so this comes in when it's about data analysis. So today you have the classic stakeout work, you have the classic data collection, but we see more and more the industry moving to mass data collection. So mobile mapping system gets used imaging, so remote sensing. So you get a huge amount of data which you cannot analyze any longer in a manual way. And for analyzing these data you need assistance from the IT technology. And here is where artificial intelligence, machine learning, deep learning algorithms come in to interpret the data and to deliver the results, which we are no longer manual able to take out of the data. Andres, let's have a look at this year's interview, which was forced to one year break due to Corona. So last year we made on the digital platform. This year we're here in Hanover in the exhibition halls. And yeah, so how is the vibe and your view or how important is this industry gathering for the geospatial industry or for the construction industry to really meet in person this year on this date? So to me, as I'm participating in the geodatendax since 1991, which is, or 1992 in Hamburg, it's quite a while. I've been at every exhibition. So you have a good overview. Yes, I have a quite good overview. To me it's the 10th interview. The 10th, okay, it's anniversary as well. So it's, I was really missing this because it was always the event in the year where we met people, talk to people, which we usually don't meet during the year. Of course we have customers where we have close relationship to them. But it's like a family. And if you don't see the family for a while, it's not that nice. So I was really looking forward to meet people here in person. I had no expectations because nobody can tell us how many people are coming. It was clear that it's not the international event as it has been before. And we would like to get that back. But at least from Germany, I think we will have the ability to talk a lot of people. So perfect. We're at the end of this interview so that you have enough time to enjoy interview and to have good conversations and meeting. Thank you very much, Andreas Sinning. Thank you for the interview. So this was Andreas Sinning and Ankatrin Bohle, State Secretary at the Federal Ministry of the Interior, Building and Community in Germany, opened the Intergeo Conference this Tuesday morning with a welcome speech. And she emphasized the importance of Intergeo. Dear visitors, under this year's motto, Inspiration for a Smarter World, I invite you to explore Intergeo 2021, the world's largest and most important convention and trade fair for geodesy, geo-information and land management, presenting smart and connected solutions and pioneering technologies. This time, smart cities and building information modeling, innovative applications and solutions will be in the spotlight. We will also shine a light on how the coronavirus pandemic is influencing housing and work in urban and rural areas, as well as the digital transformation of work processes and civic participation. Our municipalities experience all of this firsthand. Digital technologies offer new opportunities to face the challenges and to find answers to the pressing questions of our time. Our aim is to use and shape digital transformation in such a way that municipalities are better able to respond to challenges and disruptive events and are more resilient to long-term stress factors. Many municipalities have already begun working towards it. However, further progress is needed to arrive at a concerted use of digital solutions and data for the common good. New organizational, regulatory and cooperative approaches must be developed so that our municipalities can become two smart cities. Digital transformation is an ongoing process, both in terms of its multifaceted geographical impact and in terms of the many new ways it can be applied in spatial planning processes. In this context, the scale of planning at federal, state or regional level, which differs significantly from urban planning or the planning of specific projects, for example, must be considered as well. When it comes to digital transformation in the construction sector, we set a good example to taking a holistic approach, spanning the entire life circle of construction works. This includes planning, building and operation, but also related administrative processes. We want to create the technical and legal framework for this. Possibilities for better cartographical representation of plans and for facilitating digital planning in other areas, for example, infrastructure are steadily improving as well. For example, I would like to mention digital atlases and portals in some metropolitan areas that link different data and information portals with spatial content and present them for the other planning purposes. We must ensure that municipalities remain capable of taking action and tap into their potential for shaping the future. Smart technologies are intended to help save resources, make processes more efficient and ensure greater inclusion and participation. The coronavirus pandemic also shows us that cities and municipalities will have to become more resilient and crisis-proof. For only if you make use of all existing building blocks, we can successfully support municipalities in developing new strategies for a good quality of life in the digital age. We are delighted to welcome you to InterGU 2021, where you will meet other inspiring participants, attending enlightening events and gain a wide range of new insights. So thank you. This was the welcome speech of the Federal Ministry and now with me is Professor Dr. Robert Sois from Frankfurt University of Applied Sciences and the member and head of the DVW Working Group on BIM and Geodesy. And we're talking about that because this morning he was also host of the session of the Technology Trends, which was in a German language, called from gestern ins heute nach morgen. So we're talking about the technology trends and the several lectures we heard this morning. This is why we switch into the German language right now. So, damit herzlich willkommen, Professor Robert Sois. Schön, dass Sie hier sind bei uns. Dankeschön. Ich habe es gerade angekündigt. Sie waren heute morgen Moderator, Gastgeber der spannenden Session rund um die Technologie Trends, wo Sie eben Gäste hatten von Innovationen aus Herbrug. Hexagon feiert ja 100-jähriges Jubiläum, aber bis zu neuen Technologien über Maschinlearning und so weiter. Nehmen Sie uns ein bisschen mit in diese Session, worum ging es da? Was sind die Trends? Was haben Sie mitgenommen? Ja, vielen Dank, die wir haben. Die Technologie Trends in dieser Arbeitsperiode, in unserem Arbeitskreis, als wichtiges Thema identifiziert, in dem wir gesagt haben, wir müssen für den Berufsstand diese Themen etwas deutlicher aufschlüsseln zeigen, was sich dahinter verbirgt und wie sich diese Themen dann auch auf die geodätische Praxis ausschlagen werden. Wir haben im letzten Jahr darüber gesprochen, was ist Blockchain, was ist Cloud Computing oder was ist auch Next Generation GDI. Und in diesem Jahr haben wir dieses Thema weitergeführt und haben gesagt, wir beschäftigen uns mit Maschinlearning. Wir beschäftigen uns mit VR, Virtual Reality und Augmented Reality AR. Und im dritten Vortrag haben wir uns dann mit Sensoren beschäftigt, mit der ganzen Frage der IOTs. Und das Spannende für mich war, wir sind heute bei C-Tarbeits an Informationen, die tagtäglich erhoben werden, die auch irgendwo analysiert werden müssen. Und das kommt dann von den Sensoren über das Netzwerk, über die Applikationen, dann letztlich zu uns allen als Endnutzer, die wir diese Daten verwenden. Und das schloss dann den Boog wieder zu Maschinlearning, weil diese Datenmengen können wir gar nicht selbst mehr analysieren, selbst verarbeiten. Hier brauchen wir computergestützte Systeme. Und wie diese einsprechenden Technologien dann in unsere geodetische Praxis hineinwirken, das haben wir diskutiert und besprochen. Und ich kann mich auch erinnern, als wir uns zuletzt 2019 auf der Intergeo getroffen haben. Ich glaube, da war das mit der Aussage und der These, die wir dann in den Medien hatten, mit Geodeten sind die besseren Digitalisierer. Und das passt ja dann genau da hin, weil wenn Sie jetzt von den C-Tarbeits sprechen, von den Datenmengen, dann sind die Vermesser auch damit ganz gut, diese auch zu handeln. Also, dass dieses Berufsbild der Geodatenmanager da genauso für solche Fälle auch da ist. Auf jeden Fall. Also, gerade der Geodatenmanager ist ja eines unserer Kernkompetenzen. Und auch das war heute Morgen die Frage, was ist die Kernkompetenzen der Geodaten in der Digitalisierung? Und ich bin der Meinung, wir haben eine ganz wichtige Schlüsselposition, denn die Vernetzung des Ortes, das wo in Koordinatensystemen zu referenzieren und miteinander in einen räumlichen Kontext zu setzen, das ist eine der zentralen Aufgaben in der Digitalisierung. Jeder Sensor hat irgendein Standort. Jede Koordinate repräsentiert den Raum und wir brauchen die Geodäten unseren Sachverstand, nämlich das räumliche Denken hier mit einzubringen. Und ich glaube, das wurde auch noch mal gut diskutiert und geschärft. Das war eben das eine heute, die Session, die Technologie drin. Das andere, wofür Sie auch stehen, ist, dass Sie der Arbeitskreisleiter sind, von, ich glaube, Geodäsieren BIM heißt die Arbeit. Der Arbeitskreis heißt Geoinformation, Geodatenmanagement. Das BIM ist eines dieser Arbeitsgruppen, die da dran arbeiten. Genau, und da gab es ja auch schon jetzt eine oder andere Positionspapier. Sie arbeiten da dran, die Entwicklung geht weiter. Nehmen Sie uns da mal mit auf den aktuellen Stand und was jetzt Stand 2021 ist zur Intergeo? Stand zur Intergeo 2021 ist die Version 3.0. Das heißt, wir haben schon eine Historie, das ist seit 2017 jährlich immer zur Intergeo. Den Leitfaden Geodäsier und BIM in einer neuen Version aufzulegen. Alle zwei Jahre in einer großen Revision. Dazwischen immer etwas kleinere Updates und 3.0 heißt also jetzt wieder, wir haben die große Revision, wir haben über 310 Seiten mittlerweile erreicht und wir haben in dieser großen Revision das Grundlagenkapitel überarbeitet, weil über die letzten fünf Jahre hat sich doch auch in den Grundlagen vieles weiterentwickelt. Und jetzt haben wir also diese Herkulesarbeit geschuldert und tatsächlich im Grundlagenkapitel hier ganz neue Aktionen aufgenommen, aber auch in den beiden anderen Kapiteln, wo es dann um die Praxisberichte geht, wo es um die Handlungsempfehlungen geht und über die Marktübersicht, auch da sind natürlich die aktuellen Entwicklungen mit eingefasst. Was sind die größten Veränderungen, wo sie rangehen mussten? Waren das dann die technologischen Fortschritte oder das Handling, wie man damit umgeht? Vor allen Dingen die Modellierung, die Entwicklung von Standards, weil so ein komplexes Vernetzen und Zusammenarbeiten funktioniert ja nur dann, wenn alle die gleiche Sprache sprechen und gerade in der Vernetzung und in der Modellierung dieser Vernetzung da stecken im Moment die größten Herausforderungen, da müssen die Standards entwickelt werden. Es gibt jetzt vom deutschen Industrie- und Normungsausschuss, die eine Normierungs-Froadmap zum Beispiel, die jetzt mit eingeflossen ist, also Information, dass es also hier jetzt auch in der Normung konkret wird und damit natürlich dann auch die Softwarehersteller Produkte entwickeln können, die man dann miteinander interoperabel und das ist ja unser Ziel, also über die Grenzen des einzelnen Gewerks hinausvernetzen kann. Wenn wir noch mal auf dieses vom gestern ins heute nach morgen schauen, dann ist es nicht nur ein Teil einer kleinen Session heute gewesen, sondern auch ein Weg, den Sie jetzt gehen. Was genau hat es damit auf sich? Das ist eine Entwicklung, die wir seit einem Jahr aufgenommen haben, zum 150-jährigen Jubiläum des DVVs, eine Storymap, also eine Geschichte mit Karten zu erzählen, die aufzeigt, wie sich das Geodatenmanagement entwickelt hat. Und aus dieser Storymap heraus ist der Gedanke entstanden. Wir brauchen auch sichtbare Web-Anwendungen. Also wir sind ein Arbeitskreis, der macht Geoinformationen, redet über Geoinformationen, aber es bleibt eben meistens eher unsichtbar in der Verbandsarbeit. Also haben wir gesagt, wir machen Web-Anwendungen, die ganz plastisch zeigen, was Geoinformationen kann, wie Geoinformationen wirkt. Und unter der DVW-Homepage, dvwe.de slash apps, also eine ganz leichte URL, kann man sich sowohl die Storymap als auch diese Web-Anwendungen anschauen und jeden Monat kommt eine neue Web-Anwendung dazu, die zeigt, wie Geoinformationen plastisch transparent nutzbar ist. Das ist ja bestimmt auch ganz wichtig, um Berufsnachwuchs zu so, was zu motivieren, indem man es eben anschaubar macht und sagt, hey, das ist was ganz Spannendes. Das hat mit Digitalisierung zu tun und eben mit Dingen, die hier plastisch sind, und die hatten hier nix mehr damit zu tun, dass man am Schreibtisch steht und irgendwie über Karten allein sitzt. Genau, die Vorstellung der jungen Leute ist eher informatik, ist hip, aber eigentlich ist es nicht die Informatik, sondern ist die angewandte Informatik. Und da können wir mit der Geoinformation natürlich einen tollen Beitrag leisten. Sehr schön, vielen Dank, dass Sie hier waren in den InterGOTV News Professor, Dr. Robert Seuss. Vielen Dank. So, und wir gehen weiter hier in die Messerhallen across the two exhibition halls, as well as the digital platform, the participating companies are showcasing their innovations and solutions in the fields of Geodessy, GeoIT, BIM, Drones and Smart City. And with 55 product releases InterGOTV once again, the international showroom for world firsts, especially the team around the InterGOTV project manager Daniel Kapzer has made all this year possible again. I met him this morning for an interview. We met 2019 in Soetget, right? And then we had this lockdown last year. It was terrible for all of us. And when I joined in this morning to this venue, to this hall, I see so many laughing faces, right? All are keen. They are willing to meet in person and not only digital even we have the opportunity, as you said before, but they can meet in person. And that is something very astonishing for all of us. Yeah, great. We just see some pictures from the setting up. Yeah. From yesterday. Yeah. We see Hexagon's booth. There are a lot of nice booths and the exhibitors, they are willing, they're pushing, they're showing some new instruments and products here on the show. They're showing it live. I can touch it a little bit under a hygiene concept, right? But they can touch it. I can see, I can see what's going on here. That's really great. And that's something very... So, yeah, it was a tough year to all of us, especially to event organizers. But of course, also to the industry and staying in contact with the industry, of course. So just describe us. How was that year? Especially when it was long not clear if interview is really happening. So here in Hanover or again in a digital edition. Just give us an overview how that was for you and the team. Yeah, well, the very beginning we started from 2020 on was we are going hybrid, which plan to go hybrid. We have the digital platform ready and we love to meet in person again. So all of us was we had to organize two things, digital on the one side and physically on the other side. And you're right, we had at least two months before the show starts here today. We had the permission to go live in real. So we had the opportunity and we had a lot of meetings via Zoom and teams and so on with our exhibitors, with our partners to make this possible all in. And a lot of services has been asked about questions. How can I handle digital and physically parallel as we are getting now to see persons on site and we can see them online as well. So that was a tough work for us as well. But finally it works. We have more than 250 companies here on the ground. We have seen some pictures and we will see some nice pictures, I believe, within the next two days. So, yeah, it was a tough time, but we could make it happen. And that's the point. That's really great. And actually this works because, yeah, here are concrete rules for hygiene measures, hygiene concept. So just tell us about that. And we also have some pictures who will show how the testing works and how the concept here works with masks because we are here in the show, are allowed to wear no masks. But usually this is the concept. Just take us with you into the rules. Yeah, well, we are inside the halls right now. And yes, one thing that is important within this concept is to wear a mask when I'm out of a booth. Unfortunately, I have to wear a mask on the booth as well unless we can keep the distances like we are doing right now. But as everybody knows from Intergeo, normally we talk within Intergeo, 3D, right, for 3D models, for instance. Digital twins. Digital twins, right. I can see it on the screen. And that's here in this concept of hygiene is 3G. That means even if I'm recovered or I have a vaccination, then I can pass in quite easily. It's quite easy to come in here and we check them, the entrances. And if I have not these other two Gs, then we have a testing center over there. I get it quite within 15 minutes, 20 minutes. I get my test, negative test. And then I can pass in as well. So it's quite easy wearing the mask, keeping the distance. And I think that's something we normally do in normal life here in Lien. We have learned within the last two and a half years. Yeah, Daniel, you just mentioned here are about over 250 exhibitors. We have the expo stage where the program is full packed. We have the conference. And what are you looking forward to today, especially at this opening day of Intergeo 2021? Well, the thing is that I had the opportunity from Saturday on to see what's coming up. So within the setting times, and I lifted a little bit the curtain to see, okay, there are some new drones, there are some new instruments. Here's some software parts. And I love to go around within the next three days to see what's coming more than this that I could see already within the setting up phase. And that's starting this morning. So I'm taking my trolley right now and then I'm going through the aisles and ask the exhibitors what's new, I'll do it and then I give you some notes about this as well. So it's quite new to see instruments here. We have Hexagon, for instance, launching a new product. Trimble is doing as well. Yeah, we have them even here in the news today. Oh, really? Okay, I haven't seen it. Yeah, we'll get to know what are the main highlights of Hexagon this year. Drones, robotics. So there's something special in news in here. And I love to see it. And I love to see it here in person. Actually, you could use the situation here who you want to say thank you. Maybe partners or special good colleagues or just use the stage to send you a welcome message. Okay, well, okay. First of all, thanks to all the partners that are joining us, even digital, even here in person for sure, more in person because I love and we were gambling yesterday with some colleagues. We met two years ago, unfortunately. And that's the one point to the sponsors for sure, to the whole team that make it possible at least and for sure also to Deutsche Messe and the region of Hannover, Lower Saxonia to make this hygiene concept ready so that we can be here today and within the next three days. And yes, I'm inviting all of them to come here and even who can't, yes, join us on the digital platform. You find all information in here as well. You find the program, the stages, the conference in there, within the stream so you can follow up what is here making possible within this restarting of Intergeo 2021. And my next team from the Intergeo project team is my colleague Tobias Pleger. Tobias is responsible for the Intergeo Expo stage. So hi, Tobias, great to have you here. Hi, Denise, finally arrived in Hannover. I'm so happy to be here. Yeah, it's great that we can finally meet again in person. And yeah, that's very fantastic fact this year. Yeah, it was about time, wasn't it? After 18 months, we have finally arrived. Yes, that's great. So actually, you brought with you a full packed program of the Intergeo Expo stage. Just give us a short overview. What is the Expo stage? Where is it placed? And what can we expect there? So the Expo stage is placed in Hall 20. Okay. But we are not only in Hall 20 because this year the Intergeo is hybrid. So you can find us in Hall 20, but also on the live stream in the internet, just go on our platform and then you will find us there because we will stream the whole program over the three days. And the program is packed with everything for the Geo community. This is great. So you work with a real audience this year? That means that's also great for all the speaker over there because when you have an audience, that's so much more fun and exciting than just speaking to the camera. But of course, it's also very important that all the international visitors or who cannot travel this year can take place at the Intergeo Expo stage. So what can we expect today at day one? Today, our highlights and we are focused today. The day starts to begin with Smart City Solutions, everything about the city of the future and then towards the afternoon and the evening we are talking about drones applications. Wow, wow, exciting topics, future-oriented. So this sounds very exciting and to all of you, the program will be on the digital platform of Intergeo where you have an overview or just go over to Hall 20 and meet Tobias. So people can also ask questions. Yeah, absolutely. Come over. We have an open mic between the sessions before, after you can also meet with the speakers. You can ask your questions and yeah, we're just basically happy to be back on stage. Great to have you here, Tobias. I wish you a lot of fun and exciting lectures with the speakers at the Intergeo Expo stage 2021 and see you again later. Thank you so much, Denise. So, as we just talked about, it's just so nice to be able to meet again in person and so this is also what visitors to Intergeo think. So my colleague, Helen Weijand, asks around among them. Hello, I'm here in the entrance area of the Hannover Fair where the interview starts today. As you can see behind me, the first visitors are already coming. Let's ask a few visitors about their first impressions. It's good to see people again because, yeah, that is the business. You can't do everything over teams. You need to really see your customers and see what's going on in the business. It was a feeling two years ago when we were at the last Intergeo and we're taking every Intergeo with us that we can get. Last year, it should actually be in Berlin, but unfortunately we couldn't go there. That's why we're so happy that it's also our hometown. There's nothing that can replace face-to-face meeting and get the product in hands to try it out before I recommend it to my clients. I do wish to meet people face-to-face and look at some of the new product emotes in their store. It's so nice to be able to look at the booths and see what's happening. And to be able to exchange with colleagues and other companies so that they can find a place again and again. It's so nice. We are back for Intergeo that we have just to visit a lot of people, a lot of friends, a lot of partners from the geo-business. It's crazy how fast these concepts work so that everything that can work. Everyone are vaccinated, tested or at a recovery. Yes, it was 1A, it went very fast. They checked the status of the vaccine. And yes, it was very exciting.