 Okay, I'll go ahead and start. Welcome to the Monday, July the 6th, meeting of the Mudgillier Design Review Committee. I will let members and staff introduce themselves. Go ahead. Gilbertson. Ms. Pritchett. Martha, why don't you go next and then we'll do Liz. Martha Smirsky. Liz Pritchett. This is Hannah Smith. You're muted, Chef. Is Seth here? Yes, literally. Oh, okay. Thank you. And then Steve, did you introduce yourself already? And Steve Everett. Yes. Okay. And then Meredith Crandall here as zoning administrator. And then we also have one other city staff today. Hi, everyone. I'm Cameron Niedermeyer. I'm the assistant city manager. And I will be helping Meredith moderate today. Thank you. And Meredith, would you like to review the remote meeting procedures? I will. I think everybody who's on here, except for me, John has done this before, but I'm going to share my screen so that anybody who's viewing via Orca can see how to log into the meeting if need be. So I'm going to go ahead and do that. I'm going to go ahead and do that. I'm going to give me just one second to pull up the right document. All right. And there's the most important stuff right there in the middle. So. Due to the state of emergency declared by governor Scott as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic. And pursuant to. Addendum six to executive order. Zero one 20 and act 92. The design review committee is authorized to meet electronically. And the design review committee is required to be able to listen contemporaneously to this meeting. However, in accordance with temporary amendments to the open meeting law, the design review committee is providing public access to the meeting by hosting a video conference meeting, including both video and telephone access options via the zoom. All members of the designer view committee have the ability to communicate at the same time during this meeting through this platform. 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If there's multiple matters that you want to talk on, you'll be allowed to, but you need to wait until the chair recognizes you. In the event the public is unable to access this meeting, then we will need to continue it to a time and place certain. So both Cameron and I will be keeping an eye on that if somebody's trying to log in and can't make the access. Please note that all votes taken during this meeting that are not unanimous will be done by roll call vote in accordance with the law. Now I'll hand this back over to Steve and I will stop sharing for the moment. Okay Steve, I should make a statement about my little prior involvement in this. Jay asked me to write a letter for the female flood proofing regulations that the work that's being done would not affect the national register eligibility or take it off the national register. And I did that. Meredith has a copy and I was very carefully stated that this only for this letter was only for this sole purpose and not any of the other standards that might be put on the project. Okay, thank you Eric. Your statement is noted. And I'm not sure it has any effect on your ability to review and vote for the project. I'm just doing it for transparency. Okay. No, that's fine. Thank you very much. Do I hear a motion to approve the agenda? Eric, yes. Martha seconds it. All in favor of the approving the agenda. Speaker names. Eric. Martha. Liz. Anna. Seth. Steve. Okay. The agenda is approved. We can move forward unless anybody else has any comments. We can move forward to the first application, which is for 99 State Street, the Malone Property, 99 State Street, LLC. Again, change of use from office to a bank and new signage. Refurbished Teller Wendell Landscaping and Restoration. Is there who would like to speak for the project and describe it to us? I guess I can do that. I'm the architect on the project. Okay, Jay. I think it's a very good project because it's a very good building. And the sense here is to basically restore the building. So I want to be very careful to make sure that the historic preservation issues are well met. We are doing carefully pointing out the building, putting a roof on it, restoring the windows. We're not replacing the windows unless the two of them are quite rotted and we will be matching those exactly with new windows by up and construction. There's still wood windows, single pane glass. And the Teller Wendell that's being refurbished is actually being replaced. That's because the current bank, which is Community National Bank, is going to be using a Teller Window drawer that doesn't use the pneumatic tube that the previous bank used. The window is in the same place, but this window is slightly taller. And instead of being pushed forward in towards the driveway, it's actually in line with the original building wall. And so we will be be pointing the bricks underneath that we're actually building the wall back where the bricks were removed to put in the current drive up teller, to put a new drive up teller in. The width is about the same. I think the height is a little bit taller and it goes up to the existing roof that was put over the little Teller Window. These are all shown on the elevation drawing that I think you have. It's part of your packet. And the interior is basically being fitted out for one tenant, which is actually the bank. They're trying to use the entire building. It's still an office function, but it is technically a bank instead of individual offices. We are not changing the site plan, I think, significantly other than raising the grade around a portion of it to get the window to be the right height. It's still the grades Elise has been working on to make sure that that all works in grain as well. And I think it's a pretty straightforward project. It's the kind of thing that you really want developers to do exactly this kind of thing when you have such a good building to start with. So I would vote to go ahead and prove it, but I don't have a vote. Sorry. Mr. Eric, I agree that, you know, the FEMA requirements would probably be cost prohibitive and the building would get torn down. I think it's a very good project for that building. And just holler if anybody wants to see anything of the application. I'm sure Alicia has stuff and I have stuff. So if anybody wants to see something in particular, we can pull it up on the screen. And actually I should probably do that anyway so the public can see. Is there any, are there any specific drawings of no signage proposed? Yeah, I think if we look at the, it's actually that's supposed to be drawing, I think 202 exactly labeled as 201. Can you pull that up on the screen? Hold on one sec. I gotta go faster. And also both elevations we should look at. I don't know if I can share my screen or not. Here we go. There's 201. Yeah, they're both labeled 201. So if you can put both of those up either one first, I can talk about both of them. This is the proposed west elevation existing in proposed. So is this the one you want to talk about first? Yes, but you have the other screen up of the agenda, so I can't see what you're showing. Okay, give me one second. Well, yeah, because now that I'm sharing, I don't think you're going to, oh, here we go. Very often Meredith you'll need to, yeah, close it out and reopen it. There we go. Okay, can you scroll it small so you can see both the existing and the new? Okay, so it right there, whoops, there you go. Okay, what I did is that the photograph at the top is exactly what it looks like now or before some of the reporting was done. And the bottom one is what the intent is to, you can see what the restoration would be. It basically is just repairing what's there. I want to point to the sign that is right in this area, which is an existing sign that says Community National Bank on it. That's on a remote ATM building that was put in by somebody to be able to put an ATM remote there. The bank is now going to have an ATM access from the public interest on the other side of the building. And this building will be removed, this new little building. It's cracked and it's not really a very good building, but it does have a very good granite cap on it. And it's a carved granite that has the name of the bank. And this bank carved into it. So we would like to use that entire, I think it's eight feet, four inches long, granite band and move it over underneath the existing roof that's going to be repaired, pretty much like it is now. And it'll be above the glass window, which is a bulletproof glass that basically replaces the window that you can see that's there now. But this is the way to use the granite sign and not lose it. So that's one of the signs. It's actually going to just be moved over. And then the little drawing to the left shows a little light that's going to replace. There's a kind of a big sodium light under it now, which is up here. And we want to replace that with just a little teeny LED light that's only five inches wide, five inches deep and an inch and a half tall. So barely can see the light fixture, but it's going to be a 3000K color temperature and it will just provide light over that teller drawer. And again, this window instead of being pulled forward like the existing one is, it's going to be pushed back flush with the face of the building. Okay, the other sign, if we go to the next sheet down, there's a currently you can see at the existing, it says Vermont Federal went up there, which is not the name of this bank. And it's carved into this granite arch, which I think is quite beautiful. And so what we want to do is leave the fed Vermont Federal sign there. So it's the new signage is reversible. We haven't destroyed anything. But the new sign I'm proposing would be made of brushed stainless steel with black edged letters. And the reference I'd like to call you to is the mouse in front of the library. Barb and I donated that mouse 2014 to the library and Dr. McCone wanted to put a name on it. So a few years later, I designed this sign so that Ryan Mays would get credit for sculpting the mouse. And it's stainless steel. It has little pins in the back that just take an eighth of an inch into the granite to anchor it. And that way it is removable and you haven't destroyed any of the original granite arch that says Vermont Federal. I don't know if it said Vermont Federal when the building was built, but that's what it says now. So we're not going to take that granite arch out. But we are wanting to just put this new sign over it that says Community National Bank. And it has a little logo that the Community National Bank has there so that this spacing works out right. And notice our fan window is quite exquisite. The photograph is because it's very poorly painted right now. It's like painted with one inch thick brush for three-eighths of an inch metal mutton. They're a nice curved mutton. So we're going to restore that with paint the mutton black. And the side lights are also black. And it's almost exactly identical to the bank two doors down at I think at the 89 State Street where there's another bank. But that whole front will be restored. It hasn't shown there. So what we want to get approval for is the moving the sign, the existing sign over underneath the window where the driver window is and then adding this basically two part stain the steel sign. Now the keystone is pulled forward a little about an inch and a quarter in front of that. So we want the keystone to be prominent still and we won't be covering that. So we're just very, very suddenly pulling the stain the steel sign about a quarter of an inch forward of the granite that is in front of. That will produce a nice shadow effect, a nice clean look and it'll signal there's a new entity in this property in a way that doesn't damage any of the historic character of the building. And there's a lantern over the door now that's in the photograph. I did not draw it in the drawing because I didn't want to confuse what's there. But that lantern is right now it has like two candelabra lights in it. We will just clean it and straighten it and basically we use it either with 3000k candelabra LED lights or just incandescent lights. And so that's that's the proposal we want to have. There's an existing sign that's in the property that we want the ability to keep it for some reason the bank wants to sublet or something like that. They would still have the ability of the third sign that's already there. That's not showing up in my photograph but we wouldn't we don't have any changes for that sign at this point. We just don't want to have to come back and apply for a new sign since it's already there. If the bank decides to not use it then we probably would just take it down. Talking about the ground sign. Yes. Okay. Our painting of the mountains part of this project. Yes. We're also restoring the windows. They're in fairly good shape but they need to be repaired and or restored and the mountains and all of that restoration work is included. I think one reason that the number of the you know the submitted cost of the product came so high was because Pat Malone is intent on doing really good restoration and that can be expensive if we do what varieties we're having custom made windows to exactly match the other ones that are already there other than getting something that's closed from somebody that makes something close up and construction can match me exactly as they did for a couple of my other projects and the the the all of the building is is being repainted and the bricks are being repointed and it's it's one of those buildings basically is straightforward we're taking you know the roof is needing replacement we're going to be replacing with asphalt shingles the architectural series basically the same color and look that's there now except we do not want to have the kind of modern snow band that's across the front there you see we actually want the snow to stay on the roof so it doesn't drip off so much or slide off in a chunk and so we will be leaving that metal band there for just because it's there but we will be covering with the asphalt shingles and those will be over a great size and water shield so that it will be watertight there we're also putting an elevator inside the building and that is in the back chunk of the building does not it doesn't interfere with any of the historic rooms or historic features and we designed it so that it does not penetrate the roof plan that's why it's not right against the outside wall and it's also located in a way that the the night deposit drop box and the ATM machine can be accessed from the rear glass entrance which is where the handicapped interest is now we're going to be making that basically that handicapped in is going to be rebuilt with a structural mullions because we want the the enclosure to be a little bit longer than the other one if we just go back I think to the floor plan probably shows it best go up there there you go right right there that's the second floor we will have some the the condensing units for their handling system will sit on this lower flat roof area that sits behind the rest of the building which is well screened it's really hard to see that roof from anywhere and then on the first floor you can go to the a little bit further to the right first floor that's the basement go up again oh this isn't the first floor oh no that's the first floor I'm sorry yeah that's the first floor so you can see where the elevator we're coming in the the backside there's some steps there now on a ramp that's going to be repaired the steps are broken now we're going to be replacing those to match what's there and you can see there's a space there for the new ATM machine will be inside the airlock and so it's secured there and then there's a night deposit block the box that is underneath the existing roof but it's outside the enclosure the building the roof is going to stay the same except it has a broken gutter and downspout on it we're going to take both of those off and we don't think we need that gutter or downspout on that roof and there's a an oil tank right now that the furnace is being removed and we're going to be putting in a 250 gallon propane gas tank which will be buried it will be placed so that avoids the roots of the trees that are in the backyard and we that will serve for fireplace inserts so that all four fireplaces the front two rooms on both floors have very nice historic fireplaces in them we're going to leave all the fireplaces there but just do an insert that can also be removed and you haven't destroyed any of the fireplace man or anything putting them in but it does provide a nice ambiance and it also provides makeup heat if really cold days if the heat pump system is pushing too hard that will add heat to the building to to compensate for that and it's a nice it's a nice look I use that same feature at another project and the only issue that the town had was that people drove by at night and they thought the place was on fire because those fires were going but after a while people realized it was not the case that the fires are just there because they were fighting the only heat in the building which was that's the Stephen Douglas birthplace in brand and so it's it's a functional feature that you can get warmth out of the fireplace you can also program it with a remote control to just provide the visual same without heat coming out so it's a nice nice feature Jay where are the compressors located for the heat pumps they're on the roof of the basically at the floor level second floor level if you go one drawing up right there on the roof the back roof that's over the the original airlock and then the new airlock I mean both of those there you can see where the angle is there they're going to be switched back so they will basically be not visible we needed to get them out of the flood plain anyway and that's the only place where you get them out of the flood plain we found if we put them up there they're basically well screened by the building itself the driveway is one way going opposite of this direction so I think that people will be hard-pressed to even find them if you say go work on these condensers I think people would have to ask where they were they're not going to be visible and they just come they're a mid-to-be itchy they just come in a nice kind of tan neutral color and there'll be there'll either be three or four I think that the current thing we might need four because we want to make sure there's some heat in the existing stairways and we'll probably put put them in the bathrooms as well so I think we'll have four instead of three and one other question is there a directional sign indicating the entrance on the right side of the building for people driving in and coming around to the drive-up window um I if we would need why I don't know if we would need one or not I think most people kind of know that but we could add one I guess if one was necessary but we've not talked about that okay just asking I think when we're not planning one I think that most people will quickly realize how you get in or out and around the building the driveway now goes into the right hand side between the building and the movie theater and then it goes back to an on-site parking that is part of this project we're not changing that and then the you make your clockwise turn around and you come back out on to uh the state street again okay and do you want to talk a little bit about the landscaping being added say again talk about the landscaping being added we we're Lisa why don't you discuss that part because that you're working on that sure um so the sorry just because if you want to share yourself so you can control it is would that help you a little bit that'd be great okay perfect hi everybody see it yeah okay so the we had our um certified horticulturalist Sarah of equilibrium um design um the the site uh landscaping and so as part of this project we we don't have to do any new landscaping it's not required but as you know coming into this new building um Mr. Malone really wants to to beautify it um as can be seen by actually taking care of the uh historic components of the building itself but then also just adding a few shrubberies um to help soften the front and kind of make it a little more appealing so um I am not a landscape plant buff um so I'm not going to pretend that I am but this is these are the plans that um Sarah provided for us and we think that they're um they're kind of in the minimalist scheme we don't want to take away from the building but just kind of add some beautification to it is what we're looking to do so we're planning on keeping the existing large trees in the front and the rear um so in the back here we have the um rear trees kind of highlighted so there's a few extra shrubbery types of some ferns um this one has a pretty blue pink excuse me blue purple flower to it um some greenery scattered around underneath the foliage of the um of the main trees and then similarly in the front so this is this is state street here these are existing shrubs existing tree and then these small purple and then other plantings here um are additional and the existing benches you can see are these kind of blue colors so we're just looking to kind of spruce things up a little without going crazy there's a lot of pavers um out in this front and a um concrete sidewalk and so we're not looking to to disturb that it kind of gives its um welcomes from from more than just the the main sidewalk it kind of welcomes you from the the whole part in front of the parcel um so we're looking to do those landscaping portions um for now let me guess there's some pink ones too okay thank you um Steve this is Meredith I know that uh John Snell had some comments he wanted to make on landscaping tree questions I don't know if you want to hear from John at this point or if you want the applicant to keep talking about other aspects of the application I could I could comment I think briefly on what was discussed you know John met with us on site and he's concerned that the um the trees may have some trouble but I think we wanted at this point to defer those decisions until we really really understand what's there I don't think we're necessarily opposed to taking out the pavers and doing some other things but for this approval of this permit we'd like to go ahead with what's proposed here and we're not ruling out changing that as we get more information about the trees and perhaps take them out and doing a different plan right and as part of this this I'm sorry to interrupt the um there is a plan to have an professional arborist come he's been coordinating back and forth their schedules are very busy um so we have that plan at a minimum cutting the uh dead limbs that are off cut them off if it's starting to look really pathetic we'll we'll take some take that into account to see how quickly we look at moving forward with a different landscaping plan for right now we're looking to keep those large trees and see what we can do with them and keep that um grandeur that's there and add to it but um we want to do the research and make sure that there aren't other options before we start cutting things down but I know John is on the call so I feel like we kind of interrupted him sorry about that did did John Snell want to make a comment at this point I'd be happy to am I live now yes great thank you go ahead John thank you very much Steve I'm thrilled that this project's going ahead and with such talent and vision that building's a gorgeous building that's been unfortunately neglected for a number of years from my point of view as chairman of the tree board the two trees in front have also been neglected they're tough trees um to deal with anyway Norway maples and they've declined to the point where they really have become hazardous I spoke on site the other day and the folks are appreciate that fact and are going to have that dealt with immediately and that's my only request at this point I have no interest in in holding this project up I would love at some point in the future to come back and and look again at how we might replace those trees because they are in decline and you know will never be what they potentially could have been but that's that's another day for right now I think they can do some pruning and and get the trees in a safe condition and they'll be okay you know for the foreseeable future and we can talk about what's next when when that's appropriate I think what could make sense on this approval is to have approval of what's here or a future plan if we were to change if we were to take the trees out and then I think that we would have different plans because they would need to take the sun instead of the shade which is what the landscape architect we met with was was saying as well but I think if we can get approval for either or so we don't need to come back for holding the permit and just give us that flexibility to do it properly if we want to take the papers out or not that that should be the owner's decision I that I think that would make sure the product could go ahead forward and there wouldn't be this caveat of not doing something because we said we would or would not keep the trees are we including language to stabilize the tree I think we want to I think we want language that we will assess the trees and then do the proper thing I don't I think we we're not going to do anything controversial about it just a matter of we don't want to get locked into doing anything at this point because we haven't done all the research necessary um so can I this is Meredith can I hide and for just a second um so the the you know the the design review committee can look at the landscaping and um apply the design review criteria to that the development and review board will be looking at the project including all of the landscaping provisions um in two weeks I I'm not sure Jay that that the I don't know if the development review board can approve alternative landscaping plans without seeing what that alternative plan is what we have and if we change in the future we will do that later but let's yeah and that that was a leave it as it is for now I mean he's already spending a huge amount of money and going forward with the project what I was also going to say is that if all you're doing in the future is just tweaking the landscaping plan with a tiny change in impervious surface that's probably going to be an administrative permit um and it might not you know maybe it would have to go through design review but it would really depend on what you're doing okay um because usually what triggers design review is a change to the structure um so just changing the landscaping isn't necessarily changing the structures and we certainly would would um coordinate with Meredith and her team to to make sure that if a design review committee meeting is appropriate for any changes we would do that and develop review board we will we'll do the right things but definitely we want to we want to move forward with the plan that we submitted existing trees and we'll we'll do the assessment and a minimum trimming of the hazardous pieces um and certainly evaluate the longevity of the remaining remainder of the trees thank you just wanted to clarify okay and that's that's noted in the application that the existing trees will be pruned and then evaluated in the future and they will come back to to the development to the office uh possibly for an administrative approval if they need to get changed or replaced we'll make sure it's clear in the record okay great thank you there's anyone else on the any of the other committee members have any other comments questions or suggestions i do um can we go back to the main entry the montains mentioned black j for a color is that based on historical information yes i first was thinking there'd be white and then pat had told me he wanted to make them black and they asked him why he'd walk me over to the building next door because they're metal they're not wood they were originally wrought iron and left black and we want to restore them to be that okay thank you thank you for that clarification it would i think it's if you walk carefully i think i have not seen a building with this exquisite of an entryway in montpellier except for the sister building two doors down which is almost identical um it's what's awkward about this one is it's so terribly painted now they look like the big fat wooden mutton but you can see they're curved and they are curved because they're wrought iron and and then in the side lights is also a very ornate kind of a detail of how that's divided with wrought iron as well so those are both people like if you want to see what it looks like if you go two doors down it'll look exactly like that because they look exactly like that now except one's white one's black j did you do any paint scrapings on those at all you know because i mean the effect of having them blacked you're gonna lose the visibility of the intricate design well first thought we would but i wasn't sure of that i think that the the one thing that i didn't like about them being painted is because of the paint itself covers up a lot of the delicateness that is actually in the metal itself and i think what we want to do is to research that further as well do some removal of the paint that's there we wouldn't be adding to what's there it needs to be removed we can assess that again but i think that we'd like to restore to what i think the original was okay any other comments or questions from committee members this is liess i just wanted to say i think it's is a really great preservation project and um it'll be fun to watch the progress but uh you have a wonderful building to work with and you certainly are preserving it so we are thank you thank you for that liess but i think it's actually i think pat melone isn't one to two to one horn much but he's doing an amazing job of making sure that this is done right and i appreciate being asked to work with him on yeah that's terrific thank you is there anyone else from the public that would like to ask a question or bring any thoughts forward ideal the only everybody who's on has spoken okay then i can go through two of the criteria recommendation forms the first one would be for the design review form for the building and the preservation and changes the evaluation criteria number one was preservation or reconstruction of the appropriate historic style if the proposed projects in the historic district were involves an historic structure acceptable harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district acceptable compatibility of proposed exterior materials with other properties in the district acceptable compatibility of the proposed landscaping acceptable prevention of the use of incompatible designs buildings color schemes or exterior materials acceptable location and appearance of all utilities there's a really no change in the utilities other than the wind of the teller window so we'll call that acceptable recognition of and respect for view quarters and significant vistas including gateway views of the city and state house acceptable all in favor of the application as proposed to speak your names this is martha i say yes yes and this is yes that's yes and steve says yes okay that portion is passed the next portion is for the signs again the the criteria number one a preservation or reconstruction of the appropriate historic style if to propose projects in the historic district acceptable harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district acceptable compatibility of proposed exterior materials with other properties in the district acceptable compatibility of proposed landscaping and that was approved with the building it's not involved with the signs prevention of the use of incompatible designs buildings color schemes or exterior materials acceptable location and appearance of all utilities there are no change in regard to the signs themselves again that was part of the building recognition of and respect for view quarters and significant vistas including gateway views of the city and state house acceptable informants with cityscape placement and design recommendations acceptable compatibility with subject property and adjacent properties acceptable show non obscure significant architectural details acceptable consistency and uniformity of multiple signs in cv2 and op not applicable illumination not applicable pennants and banners prohibited not applicable individual letters of fixed painted or engraved directly on the building or structure are encouraged acceptable all in favor of the sign proposals again speak your names eric yes just martha yes miss yes hannah yes yes and steve yes samarit if you want to note when the it will move to the development review board meeting so we've got it's a little company we're going to have the two recommendation forums i'm going to send those out alisha to probably you and pat so just a acknowledgement that you receive them and that you're you know good with them i mean there's no recommendations on here so it's not that complicated so probably just an acknowledgement that you've received them um and that will all go in the packet that goes to the development review board on july 20th and i will see you alisha and uj there i'm sure and um john you can come if john even still on anymore nope john signed off i want to make one more clarification if i could in our application we have in the narrative that we may want to add custom made shutters to match the original designs we are researching what the original shutter design was that's the photograph of that we want the permission to add real shutters on the building um but we don't we do not want to be required to put real shutters on the building well is that part of the application that that was an option for you where was that i think i think i remember seeing that in here but i don't we didn't discuss it uh terrified so that we can get permission to do that we saw in one of the drawings that you were going to use some existing hardware if you were going to hang shutters yes we are that we know that the hard day were there because the pins are still there and all the windows yes and the windows in back are slightly narrower than the ones in the front but um the issue is um pat believes that they were originally adjustable shutters as opposed to ones that just or fixed and he has a photograph that would tell us that he's researching to find that and we'll see but uh and we'll also get in their shutters priced out but they they wouldn't be just applied to the side of the buildings they actually would function and close like real shutters jay would they go all around the building or just on the front they would go all around except of the four that would be behind where the contingent on the top in the back because you you can't see those windows from anywhere and one of them is a really teeny window so but they would be all of them there it is right there so i don't think it should hold up the application or anything i just wanted to clarify that it's in there in case you don't didn't read it so when you see shutters on there you won't be surprised okay we can make a notation on the criteria sheet okay that is that is an option to you to yes i just want to put respect on the building then that uh duplicate the originals yes okay this is liz i was just curious what color do you think the shutters would be um we're trying to find out from the photograph that's probably black and white but i suspect they would traditionally would be black that was normally the case okay okay we can note that also with the option for the shutters okay thank you anything else that needs to be added at this point well i'm now that i appreciate you all supporting this project it's good for y'all to live in Montpelier it's going to make it a better place to be well good well thank you for your work on the project and good luck moving forward thank you yeah that's a good project thank you thank you jay okay thank you all thanks again you and two weeks alisha and jay i didn't hear what you said say again please i could see you in two weeks okay okay thanks again has everyone had a chance to look at the meet minutes of the meeting of june the 15th yes and i'll move and this is eric do i hear a second to approve the minutes i'll second it this is martha okay all in favor of the minutes again speak your name yeah steve i wasn't there and a yes yes okay the minutes are approved does anyone does anyone else have anything to bring forward otherwise our next meeting is on the 20th of july thank you thank you marita you're welcome thank you all do i do i hear a motion to adjourn eric moves hannah seconds all in favor of adjournments again speak your names eric marcia miss hannah what's up and steve thank you all thank you bye now bye good night