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No, no. Pero usted lo aime manejarlo. Claro, pero otra persona lo que vamos ‑‑ Elwnet, hijas. No, no. ¡Una barba! ¡Susurra! Aquí bunun te tanta. ¡Susurra! No, no. ¡Susurra! ¡Susurra! ¿Qué es esta barba? No, no. ¡Susurra! ¡Susurra! No sé que nada más te pusieron, ¿eh? Yo, él, está para el... Ya estaba acá por trabajo. Yo siempre traigo esto. Pero, ¿qué es esto? Yo... Yo no me he echado más de 23 y ya cuando estén acá, no me he echado más de 23. Pensando en tu nada, busc tu elirio. Quiero que lo sea, y tú conoces a buscubar. También ser un buscubo, es convidado. Saca. ¿Transíctolo para Saca o no? No. Es un escritor. Pero que tiene mucha facilidad de palabra. Tiene... Yo solo voy a proponer a... a él y a... y que se lo haga la gente cualitaria. Bueno, la parte tecnológica que no debe de saberla. Pero si es una persona joven como tú, tiene mucha más perspectiva. Sí, claro, claro. Y ahora, atención... ¿Sí? Tiene que haber buscubo por los malos. Gracias, hermano. No te preocupes, vamos a ver a ti. Gracias. No, no se preocupen. No se preocupen. Hablan que tomaban mucho ron, y lo podrían saber. No, por eso sí. No, por eso sí. No, por eso sí. Recibido por los malos. Han empezado, Hola, hola, hola, hola, hola. Este es el... Good afternoon, all those two connected to favours on YouTube. Good afternoon everyone, this is a sound test. This is a sound test and Lydia is by my side here in this sunny afternoon. We are very glad to have Lydia with us this afternoon. And trust me guys, this is going to be great with Lydia here. And she's been looking it up on the internet. Esta es la etiqueta de... Vaya por la... Camino. 1, 2, brothers... Jim Brown Smith. ¿Qué tal? No puedo estar chiquito. Ahí la puedo ver. Es un pan. Son día entonces, todo lo que no lo hay. ¿Cómo está? Está bien. Decía que una transmisión que por favor ya estará mostrada. Bueno, vamos a comenzar. No, es mejor que... Ya está bien, pues no lo veo. Puebo. Es por la lucecita, una palanquita. Bueno, la idea del término, pues voy a hacer algo para que lo oiga. Por eso es que tenemos una palanquita que no se cruza. Es un caso que funciona a nosotros. Bueno, tenemos tenido un grupo de problemas técnicos para comenzar esta tercera sección. El encuentro, el ciclo del encuentro que hemos estado realizando desde el 17 de agosto para el ciclo cubo en la hora actual. Yolita, buenas tardes de la vana. A todos los que se conecten a través de Facebook, de YouTube, a este panel que busco ofrecer argumentos que permitan desmontar las campañas de políticas comunicacionales levantadas contra Cuba en las últimas semanas. Como cabo por la Cámara de la América, la Unión de Periodistas de Cuba. Yolita, un miembro del grupo original, titulado Martí en presentación. Martí en la hora actual. Cuando llamamos a este evento, recorremos esta sección y pagamos a la cifra cubana. Durante este ciclo que ya había su primera y segunda reunión en el 17 de agosto y 24 de agosto, nos gustaría acceder a temas como la cifra cubana y cómo hemos accedido también la pandemia de COVID-19, las medidas que han sido taken by the national economy, the subversive plans against our country, the disturbances of 11 and 12 of July, the media campaigns against Cuba and in social media, the role of the Cuban civil society, the community work in vulnerable neighborhoods and the policies of social inclusion. We are joined in this online forum, a group of activists, also people from social movements in the Americas and other parts of the world panels, panelists that participated in the first cycle. We have called the third meeting, participation, dialogues, collective construction of unity. And for that I have the immense pleasure to be joined this afternoon as members of the panel, Gerardo Hernández Nordelo, hero of the Republic of Cuba and national coordinator of the CDRs. Heidi Fundora, researches and professor from Flaxo, Pedro de laos, vice presidenta of UNIAC coordinator of the aponte commission, member of the government commission of the program against racism and racial discrimination. Joel Suarez, social activist and coordinator of the Martin Luther King Union Center, Claudia Rafael Alba, generalist member of the network, Judy Perez-Martínez, which will be online. From Havana University, yes, we can see jury, member of the national board of the Cuban Society of Constitutional Law and also from the Union of Juris of Cuba and Manolo de los Santos, I think Manolo is online. Yes, I can see. Here is the executive coordinator of the People's Forum and Researcher in Tricontinental Institute of Social Research. I am the vice president of the House of the Americas and the moderator of this gathering, of this online forum. Each of the speakers will have ten minutes to make their presentation as they speak through the YouTube chat and through the different websites you can make comments or questions. And those who are in the online forum through the chat of the gypsy online chat well, you can issue your questions so that we can share afterwards with the members of the panel so we will have five minutes to respond to your questions or comments. And in the end, they will have two, three minutes for your closing remarks. We are broadcasting through the YouTube channel Resumen Latinoamericano also in English through the YouTube channel, the People's Forum for Dear Support. Today, we have more members in this panel and we don't want to waste a single minute of light to give the floor to Gerardo Nández Nordelo. We have seen him over the last few months engaged in a dialogue with the different members of the neighborhood and he knows very well how far the hatred of the human, of the millions of revolution can go. We are pleased to have Gerardo with us. Thank you, first and foremost, greetings to the people who are on this side in Cuba and also to those who are in other countries of the world following this forum. It's very important to agree to the organizers of this event because it's important that it has in the midst of such a brutal campaign. I will talk in brutal also campaigns against the Cuban Revolution. We are also talking about the neighborhoods and the community issues. A couple of minutes ago, we returned from one of the neighborhoods out of the 62 neighborhoods where we are working. We work in La Timba neighborhood this morning. First, I would like to say that this campaign of lies and slanders is so brutal that in our case we thought that when the fines were released in 2014 I would never be quoted against in the New York Times and I never thought are going to be again in New York Times as someone opposing to Cuban government in a parade in Havana and this was the case in the New York Times. But it happened also in many other media printed and both digital. So people who were allegedly in demonstration against the Cuban this is a very gross manipulation and now getting back to the neighborhoods and what we are doing in neighborhoods there is a crash crisis when it comes to lack of information. I would like to say to you first that the work that we are conducting at present in 62 neighborhoods of the capital city and that we are also covering other neighborhoods in the island is not just being done because of what happened in July. If you take a look at the documents of the Congress of the party you see the outlook and the forecast and you see that everything was very established in the neighborhoods now certainly in communities. I'm sure you've seen some images and pictures we have to of course the problems that we have and of course these are problems that exceed at least 62 communities 62 neighborhoods in the capital city and other neighborhoods in the rest of Cuba there are people living under conditions that are not the most adequate ones so this revolution was not made so there are people living under those conditions this is the truth it's a sad and painful truth our truth so when you take a look at a reality like this one you cannot step aside from some facts this revolution did not triumph with the magic one on the hands and to say all the marginal neighborhoods may disappear and all of a sudden they're going to become residential neighborhoods it's a science fiction we have had to work very hard this revolution triumph in 1959 and since 62 we were already under the brutal blockade of the United States and other reality that we have to highlight is what I have just said we are different nuances because there are many modern neighborhoods where we are tragically transformed by the revolution and over time many of the works have been delayed want to come to maintenance but we are not discovering this right now this marginal neighborhood with social problems is not that we are seeing this for the first time we are not discovering this for the first time there are other realities that have to be tackled we just returned from Latimba neighborhood and in that neighborhood what it happens is that houses were built for some of these people in certain years of the revolution built houses but the mistake was made to build these houses for these people and the other not eradicated so there are people who moved into the new houses and the other houses the other houses were occupied by other people so and there were erroneous policies people moved out of their previous home to new apartment but the old houses were not demolished and there are many relatives of these people and the problem was multiplied these are realities that is good to also bring to your attention because we don't have the possibility and the lack of information against Cuba since it is not possible what is can be denied there are certain opinions they are saying that doing that because of what happened in July because they are discovering the problems now we have been working for a long time but we cannot deny that there are problems that most of these problems have to do with the brutal blockade imposed on us we have not been able to breathe for over a century and this is part of the plan to generate problems to let's say generate a social explosion what is happening in the neighborhood as you all know as we just mentioned there are 62 neighborhoods in Havana where we are working we have appointed a ministry to coordinate the works in each neighborhood in La Winera neighborhood or another neighborhood also we have the ministry of construction in Plaza Municipality we see the ministry of communication in Havana we have Escuba ministry there are ministries coordinating the works in each of these neighborhoods there are also cadres from the party to coordinate this work there is also a representative of these of the mass organizations including our organization who is a caterer who is on a permanent basis coordinating these works in different neighborhoods but there are people who are channeling their complaints their complaints that did not find a solution over the last years and this is being coordinated and we have students youth from the young communist league youth from different movements there are many projects of people they say I'm not a university student or I'm not a member of the youth communist league but I want to meet with several people and there are many community projects that have emerged to reach out to the different neighborhoods and to say what do we do what do you want us to do a movement of people who want to contribute and when you go to these neighborhoods well you can see a positive environment this we have insisted on the need not to create false expectations to the population we cannot say everything is going to be solved we want to insist not that we have more resources now to solve the problems un extra effort with the same limited resources with the same blockade that far from getting a a break under these times of pandemic that empire that is so humanitarian between quotations have tried to suffocate the Cuban revolution for over half a century and they are concerned about human rights but far from this well there should be same we are facing a this is not a time to suffocate Cuba this is a time for unity we are going to give them a break we are going to let's say while the pandemic lasts we are going to let's say soften this blockade let's leave some measures that affect the people directly and let's do this and that to improve the far from that they have done the country we have seen a reinforcement of the blockade what they want is the Cuban people to surrender they do not want to endure these needs and there are let's say problems that the ones that emerge and they have been betting on that for many years and our people knows about that but the work in the communities has been led by the party is going to be led by the mass organization by the neighbors themselves who are conducting the work at least this is our aim there are places and we see that the neighbors at hand in hand working in these projects they are young strong people who are just sitting and looking at other people if you live here how come you are sitting here and there are other people working for you and you think that people from outside are going to come here to solve their problems so we have been insisting on that this is not an intervention in the communities so we want to reach out and to structure and to guide but this is not an intervention this is a mistake that some people have committed we have had a very good will and we have reached out to the community a park and we have invested the resources while perhaps we have asked the community leaders that we have said that more important than the park what we need is a canal so that the water can flow this is a mistake that we should not make again and it has happened in several places we as members of the organization have been around these communities and people are aware of these at the community level that the accumulated problems cannot be solved overnight in the midst of the blockade but people are willing and ready to work thank you Gerardo for your comments Of course you were saying this and the Cuban president have said this in many different occasions we have the presence of the mass media following these transformations and this is not about an intervention it's just about listen to the needs and what you were saying the needs of the people the dwellers of a place not giving continuity to the analysis of the problems and trying to see what is happening so that we can solve the situation I would like Hades Fondora researcher and professor of social sciences faculty related to Latin American studies to give her opinions about this Thanks for the invitation and thanks for the possibility to be able to share these ideas with people who are ready to build our society one of the ideas we are spreading in these social sciences faculty is something related to a complex issue which is one of the reasons one of the causes of what has happened but the work we are doing in the Latin American social sciences faculty shows that this is not this is something that I have been taking care of since many years ago from the academy from the community development sectors and we have been dealing with inequities as well as with the organization ways in the communities so we can deal with this with those inequities those are issues I wanted to tackle here in a brief manner just to analyze one of the challenges of moving head we say that because of the research we have been doing we can find we have a gap of gender and it means that in the year 2020 the statistics that were published women represented 21% of the people working in cooperatives and 28% of self-employed people compromete what was assessed in the last census we were able to see some challenges like the fact that white people are overrepresented in 10% brown people are in self-employed work while black people are underrepresented in 13% as land owners mestizos or mulados were overrepresented as people taking care of their relatives but not receiving any payment for that this is one part of the information where we were able to gather in all these analysis and those are issues we have to take care of the important or interesting thing about this participation process is that we have been that from the municipalities civil society we are creating new systems new plans to analyze social inequities but those are challenges we have identified in our studies in our assessments one of the ones we have found is that not everyone is participating in the same way in the diagnostics about inequities social inequities so that is an obstacle which are the main difficulties we have the real ones we have so we have to analyze the inequities related to age to physical disabilities and so on as well as we do when we analyze gender migration inequities the Cuban Academy as well as where we do with Martin Luther King again associations help us to analyze these gaps another important and interesting element is that when we analyze the reasons of those inequities we see that the analysis has centralized in seeing the employment structure for instance as well as the participation but participation is analyzed as not a fundamental cause as analyzing causes of inequities and something else we wanted to share and this is a challenge it's related to different views which are the best formulas in the context of a Cuban revolution to solve these inequities and then we have different opinions in these regards some public servers are working as well as decision makers and we see differences when we prioritize the participation in local areas by people who make decisions in decision makers more than in those who work in solving the problems and more in women than in men so this scenario which is already a challenge as we say on having a consensus on what kind of difficulties we have which are the causes the reasons of inequities and how to solve them is something we have been analyzing for many years now in different contexts with technical scientific approaches and then I wanted to connect all this with some other issues because as we said people have organized a society to be able to deal with these complex matter and then we find different elements in this sense and one of those is that when we work with the spaces which are designed from the people's power level with the community level we find that all the potential is not properly used is underused to analyze the inequities and it is also related to the event that the rhetoric which is used is related to equalitarism as well as with the lack of the possibilities of working with specific inequities and in these traditional spaces we have a participation to find this and we need to have more opinions, more traditional work and this is where we can find to analyze the potential of these topics and many times there are academic communities that consider that inequities are solved with technical, strong components but we need also the participation of the people we believe for solving these matters more than taking a look at this traditional context another important element we have explored is that in these traditional spaces we find these mistakes or errors we have to see which are the analysis of the Cuban society is about these topics in the communities we have a must and see complementary spaces that have appeared after the local and community projects but also after some changes that have been introduced from the political policies and the institutional design in Cuba one of those that speak the most about community problems is the municipal strategies for development and the community is analyzed from the development viewpoint and then we are able to analyze inequities and vulnerabilities and also in the design we have considered the participation of the population in building strategy so we are trying to find the problem of deficit but also we are trying to have comprehensive development plans and these issues as to have some of the programs and possibilities and local level and we were able to see a number of programs like PRODEL the program from local agricultural development the biomass and programs as well as cultural programs and we have been also supported by different entities and in different municipal entities we have seen the participation of universities in different municipalities the participation of the population so we are able to analyze the vulnerabilities and the development strategies and in this space this capacity of having new ideas lead as to important solutions in the analysis of these topics and also some of the new challenges appeared as the important participation in the advisory work for universities but in the case of people who were disadvantaged we were working with them and we were trying to analyze this development in municipalities the participation was quite different so those are elements to be debated with this part of the society and then I wouldn't like really too much time in my first part of the speech and the last thing I would like to tackle is an important potential to be able to have innovation in the development of participatory processes so we went from traditional spaces then we went to these traditional spaces in local development and now we are dealing with plans projects, programs for human development social equity human development indeed to be able to think about the solution to inequities and if we analyze programs which are developed we include racial discrimination as well as discrimination against women and some life projects access to services social prevention and special attention to vulnerable people we are seeing potential space to activate in all these community projects all these community initiatives so they can have some dialogue with municipal strategies makers as well as with other entities that are important in building the public policies to deal with inequities and we of course have to include workers that consider these community initiatives, this work developed in communities working together with educators all and when thinking about habitat we have to consider whether the group and then we have great level of creativity to analyze the public policies related to inequities and those are important and potential spaces to rethink about these proposals consider the participation of all social sectors what you said because you have named government programs that are articulated in a very important way under the new constitution for these improvement of living conditions and I think that the vision that you shared is very interesting there are many good practices that should be analyzed and implemented in other spaces so that we can try to replicate these projects it is important to re-address these you talk about inequalities so it is important to have with us Pedro de Laos he is vice president of UNIAC he is one of the most brilliant journalist here in Cuba with a long standing work also in the field of music and he is the head of the aponte commission he is part of the program against racism what is the aponte commission Pedro and how do you see the participation of this commission in the fight against racism in Cuba ingredients to all of you who are in line with us I would like to greet my colleagues of the panel the aponte commission was created in UNIAC UNIAC what is UNIAC the union of writers and artists from Cuba it was created in this organization called UNIAC several years ago in 2009 it was created to fight against discrimination racial discrimination on races but it came of course from somewhere and this is part of a long process of debate and the denunciation of the problems and the persistence of racism in Cuba of discrimination attitudes and how this problem was not totally solved and someone I recall vividly and I'm sure my colleagues will remember him as president of UNIAC at the time of El Prieto how this was discussed and in the end in 1998 it was part of a UNIAC congress actor Tito Junco and others Rodríguez Elvira Cervera and other actors they talk from the culture how they raise problems having to do with the persistence of the objective discrimination objective factors within discrimination and the subjective factors as well and it was a mistake to think that just because the calitarian policies just to call them to defend unity that's so important when it comes to the people we had delay in time a critical look at these problems well UNIAC Harbor a project called Cuban Collar that was a lot of catharsis within this project it was also positive at that time until the aponte commission was created in 2009 the aponte commission was created in Havana and also in provinces all provinces of the country and there's another stage of the aponte commission was passing through different stages finally due to its own experience and other experiences from the anti-racism program and also academic experiences as the one put forward by my colleague here the professor there was enough experience accumulated and people's wisdom to take a step forward and it was taken by the government they created in 2019 the national program against racism and racial discrimination it's not by Mayor Shenz that he was launched by the president as vice president of the council of ministers and the council of states in the past he had a dialogue with the aponte commission from UNIAC I want to make clear also Joel you asked me to clarify the name of UNIAC I would like to highlight the house Antonio Aponte is one of the fourth runners of evolutionism and independence in Cuba and he was beheaded in a conspiracy in rebellion in 1812 and he was beheaded and to show the public and it was shown in it was such a stigma and one of the practices of Riz is and still persists in a way that was a phrase that was used here when they want to say that someone was worse than a aponte you can recall that very well the program has a different outlook and a very thorough diagnosis was conducted and I think the success of the program I mean is that we have gone from diagnosis and we have moved into action they has conducted this is an ongoing program of course an ongoing building of these dynamics and we see taking into account the factors that have to do with the survival of racism and they are at the basis of the program the diagnosis took into account the contributions of the social sciences the abundant statistics from different sources also a opinions issued by different organizations and the criteria from experts and intellectuals this as a comprehensive look at crosscutting issues in the Cuban society and to finally eradicate they follow measures adopted based on scientific foundations and ideologies as the ones we are profiling now and we do not want to go around but we want to based on work on scientific knowledge although they might have objective factors they consider that a cultural change is required first because racism we only have one human race and they talk about race white or black race but let's say human race is only one and we have seen the role of the artistic movement under UNIAC and also anti racism activists that have worked for decades because unfortunately there has been a ground where the enemy has taken advantage of it and they have been working in a very insidious way they have paid, alleged black activists to denounce different issues and these small groups that have been emerging over the last few years mostly after the crisis in the 90s these small groups have to do with human rights etc if you notice this 3 or 4 out of 5 liters of these small groups are black or molado it's not by mere chance there has been choice and they have been betting on that and it's self evident and also to generate context that generates false matrixes on the situation of race in Cuba and it was in the New York congress in 98 when Frank Dallow was established with UNIAC for participating in this change during the last decade UNIAC is the one that interacts with the ministry of culture and also with Fernando Ortiz and Nicolás Foundations and work with different groups both in Havana and other province to tackle this issue and to implement these policies in short the UNIAC and upon the commission is one of the 18th organization of the Cuban Civil Society and we want to be in decay this and I'm sure Joel will talk about the importance about social civil society in Cuba that is quite important is more numerous than what people think and this is a pillar of the program now the current situation this did not emerge of July 11th this was present long before in the maze of the difficult circumstances that the country is undergoing we want to promote the objectives and the scope of the program we want to create awareness about the causes of this problem while we work for or against prejudice oppression in Cuban society at present all ladies we counted on the experience of activists and scientists and we also want to listen what is happening on the street no manipulation of the problem as proposed by the ones addressing this from the United States they say that discrimination are topics that exist among us and for blacks and mulatto the revolution has no answer this is a slander that cannot be allowed there is many social disadvantage there is both their ability we admit there is a social debt by the revolution that has been worsened over the last few years due to the blockade we could have made more progress the international bank will allow us to engage in business with them normal relations with them but it is true it is acknowledged that the revolution has advanced more than ever and they failed of dignity of black and mulatto and to defend this issue but of course there are standing issues that remain to be solved and I have many proofs proof of this so I am willing if you have questions about these or comments because we are making progress in this regard we could do this faster than people think my colleague knows this very well because she has cooperated with us and she has been part of that program and the design of that program and on the one hand this is coordinated by the government but there is also a team by the ministry of culture and it is indispensable and it is evident the participation of the civil society and we have not only the participation of UNIAC but also Nikolás Guillén Foundation and others and activists of the neighborhood the Afro-descendent we are also in the neighborhoods we have also in Matanzas province in Santiago the Cuba province is there allies as the house of the Caribbean at the festival of the Caribbean we have never seen before so well positioned this problem of the legacy of the African cultures and the search for social policies that can raise self esteam and they empower these sectors as being done in Santiago de Cuba province with the work of the house of the Caribbean and the ideas raised by Joel Sen Gens and the last thing I want to say is I want to thank a movement from the United States that has supported us also is Black Lives Matter greetings to them and to Manolo who has had a lot to do with these statements he has raised and this is the source of encouragement for us one way or another this articulation is an experience that is happening in the neighborhoods and this is happening in different contexts and in different realities and the experience of Martin Luther King center is crucial analyzing the participation of the people in neighborhoods of the local dwellers and even the process of formation so I would like to give the floor now to Joel Suarez who is an activist from the center well my greetings to many of the people who are in the screens and many people who are following us through Facebook and YouTube I'd be in doubt with hundreds of people who are part of what we call a family movement not only the 100 associates to Martin Luther King center but also this international center or movement which is organizing different areas in the country through the ecumenic Trey Porcua network and some other networks and there is this political will to go to the neighborhoods to analyze the problems which are existing and these very complex issues like habitat collective habitat as well as housing problems many of them were already working trying to contribute with materials as well as contributing with the dimension which is related to the transformation of the people and the social and cultural work people from Martin Luther King and many other people who were participated since many years ago so living apart my debt I would like to speak about some problems and some issues related to the facing the pandemic task and this is a common challenge today and that is related to the issues about recreation of the hegemonic character of the revolutionary projects and the main features of these changes of the revolution in these difficult moments which are present in our groups as well as in Latin American development groups the Cuban situation might be adverse in the challenges and we were talking about that in the first forum this is a brutal kind of war which is trying to establish a discipline of the Cuban people who is so bold of having a revolution so close to that country so we were in the prior forum about the economic situation we have in Cuba which is so complex so much complex because we have many factors which are not going to mention at this point and then we are to add to this situation the times we are going through which is an extension of capitalism and the control of production and cultural alteration and this cultural homogenization from the imperialism that is reaching many different groups of the population in the whole world we of course are part of this whole number of problems and we have a media ecosystemic situation where networks and social networks play the same role that they play in some other countries in trying to create new ideas life sense of many social groups they play an important and new role in the production of policies in my opinion it is fundamental as we have done here since Gerardo started talking about the most serious and accumulated problems we have in our communities due to different reasons and of course we had to go to the neighborhoods to face the present situation we have as well to recognize other problems that have been mentioned associated to inequity problems related to age to gender to races as well as problems related to the existence of a cultural problem racism and is important to our sisters and brothers following us this afternoon my know about the determination of the leadership of the country to exercise a permanent contact with the people which is very much limited because of the pandemic but it might be substituted by these kind of dialogues that is taking place all of us keeping distance not to contaminate our prieto but also the possibility to have these views which are not new and that were present in the Cuban revolution in the person of Idel Castro which is analyzing things in a very crude in a very realistic manner the second thing is that we are sons and daughters of the tradition to change to turn defeats into victories to see the memories of that important man who was Fidel Castro he is I mean thinking about his gifts and he was a master of adversities since since the early times of the attack to the capital which is not recalled as a as a failure we just remember those who died in the attack to the Moncada Garrison but there was a defeat that was turned into a victory as it happened with the Pio Combat the missiles the crisis as well as subten any other condition as revolutionaries either marzits or marx followers or not we believe that the important events are decisive in creating awareness and putting together many different people and this task we also give our determination determination to keep on fighting the Cuban revolution brought some cultural changes in different areas but there is one which is fundamental let me put this paper away because I have to improvise so my we can say that human condition is important many people were talking about their aspirations and they put an end to their marriages in some cases because they devoted their lives to fight for socialism in Cuba and that created an anti-imperialist culture and this call for solidarity which is still crucial even at present times this might be even bad to recall other times which are even worse than the special economic period remember those times where we were eating just eggs rice and poor food because we have been going to different very difficult times but we have to acknowledge we all are daughters and sons of these 30 years and the features that were produced about socialism up to the 90's 1990's have been eroded and have been reduced in the fundamental teachers even in equity or equality so fundamental for us to be aware and be very bold by by Putin Fernando Martinez eredidad erosion produced by socialism in the essential features and other factors have produced something that we have to recognize which is a cultural line which is apart which is away from the revolution and it's important when Fernando says which is away it's more complicated than saying it's against the revolution because there is a reaction in this case when they talk about this separation he is talking about a group of people and their motivations their relations, their aspirations and their relation is to be distant to be far and this is expressed as a metaphor when we unfortunately find some citizens that have substituted the plural odds by them when they speak about governmental institutions and when they speak about political institutions even when they speak about the leadership of the revolution this also is impacted by some issues that were mentioned by Gerardo and by the president in some of his speeches and it is when some people are following bureaucratic methods and then the population are really upset and tense most of all because our projects and our struggle still is following a damn equation and Fidel was able to contribute in an immense in a huge manner about the with the different institutions so if you are really pissed off and you are angry and mad at different entities you have to you are able to have some political reaction and I believe that there have been some reaction during the events of July the 11 some people might be delinquents or not but the actions were not related to the project of the revolution that was related to the abandonment ideas of going against the process this make me think about the necessity of innovation in the Cuban civil society like CDRs and the women federation of some other entities that appeared after the time of the revolution dealing with different topics of matter just because they want to be able to be registered in the association's registry we have to active and to have some gathering kind of organizations to lead all this potential and organize energy favoring our project and we need to put the neighborhood and the simple people and the common people in the constitution and this constitution should be properly analyzed and implemented so that organizations, organized groups neighborhoods, common people might take advantage of the potential of the constitution too exercise a participation and the people's control and that is where we have to be efficient and where we have to be revolutionary and to be able to create rules mechanisms, spaces for executing this participation and the people's control and with the participation of municipalities we have to achieve not only the manifestation of what is happening in the neighborhood seen in the constitution but also to have an entity to be autonomous enough and to be able to have efficient mechanisms so that people feel part and feel in control and this is just an all revolutionary task that supports the idea that socialism is the socialization of power socialization of means of production and then we have to establish this content which is fundamental in the revolution mainly during the times of the pandemic which was the main tool used by Fidel, that is the mobilization the protagonic role played by the people mainly as Gerardo said in the work which is related to management to things that impact the communities in a direct manner because that have some direct influence in their lives and also those issues which are totally negative if we have welfare well-being in the population we can have the consensus and the hegemonic condition of these people's processes and this is important but if we have people are not feeling well and they see that we are not able to mobilize the population for them to contribute with the project people might be divided and then we have to re-create which was fundamental for the Cuban revolution and that is that happiness my happiness Gerardo, Pedro, Hades and Claudias and your happiness is important to the collective happiness so we have a central criteria of approach that no matter how many states it might have the main purpose of it and even during pandemic times the main purpose is the happy life of human beings thank you I would like to thank Chairman Sanchez who was a member of the panel for the first meeting she is broadcasting from Europe from her wonderful channel and she has made great contributions now I would like to give the floor to Claudia Rafaela Alba she is a journalist she is a member of the network the fence against humanity and she has different experiences having to do with communication at the community level and it is important to think about Cuba today our diversity and the challenges that are faced at the rural level the dimension of the archipelago in general terms thank you for this opportunity yes, quite often when it comes to dissemination of knowledge and experiences we only remain at the urban centers because there is no connection that is still efficient within the rural context and many other things that take place the level of presentation of knowledge dissemination of knowledge so quite often this link is not created it doesn't mean that in those places there are things that are happening so what I want to share with you today has to do with people's communication at the community level in other countries is known as participatory community democratic communication horizontal communication or free communication also I think it's a great name for it and secondly I'll refer to experiences of solitary people's economy and the way they have worked during the pandemic that is taking place in not rural and rural context but is under of course the world women's parade and then we will have also second round others we will identify them so collecting these experiences is being very positive today and it's indication of what is being done in the rest of the country I'm from Baracoa in Guantanamo province that's why I want to address this issue the first experience related to communication is that many of the campaigns against Cuba they talk about a political gap in everyday life and they say that behind these processes and projects and initiatives but quite often there is an ethical subject train during the revolution that is making that possible that is accompanying all that and this is forgotten and this is a subject who is promoting these but it's also accompanying these actions because for example it's part of the fact that women activists they might be criticized because everything can be improved when we go to the rural communities we realize the only thing that reaches out to this community is for example the centers to provide guidance to the family and the way they are designed they have a capital structure that goes throughout the country here in Havana we do a lot of things so we want to do a lot of things and we can assist them from the operational standpoint we can reduce a number of people those organizations with their structure in place they reach out to places that no matter how I try I cannot reach and if I do I will do this from an urban standard perspective it doesn't mean they are working well in all places but in those spaces they are working and it's important to recall the political dimension of this I'm talking about the institutions between cootations it has a political meaning within the Cuban social project and within socialism the movements of voluntary correspondence that is works also in Guantanamo, in Baracoa disemergen because the radio station has 16 hours of broadcasting and a reduced number of journalists and they do not have enough space to cover all this in the past they were not communication professional and the decision was made to create a network of correspondence that died out when we understood or began understanding communication from a more sophisticated perspective but automatically it had to be recovered and we had to recover this because the municipality felt during five years the change of the radio station because they were the ones who were conducting this broadcasting and there were other people who were graduates from the academia but they cannot always communicate that people understand or people feel represented and so and specifically after five years of this experience the voluntary correspondence are people who live in the community who are lean to institutions what they do is to report information to the radio station as reporters some do reporters work but with all this process of decentralization of the management of the municipalities and the different places communication is indispensable to accompany this process when they talk about local development but when it comes to determining what type of communication we are going to implement is indispensable because the mass media do not reflect the reality they build the reality and this is reserved for the thinking of a few people so the mass media will remain the representation of reality of a few and they will have the privilege of a few that because since they are there they can be represented in a way five years later among the results for 40 years the radio station did not have a sports section and four people four voluntary correspondence even a security agent from the Institute of Sports his coordinator has been working for many years he is a sports institute he knows very well about statistics and sports in four years I have created a show of two hours they usually wrote Rick Kohler in New York in the past they had a problem with problem with transformation they only had a motorcycle to move around and they could not reach out to rural communities people just want to report so journalists well they are journalists in the isolated communities who can report about these issues and in specific case of this sports show when they record in the given community this is a major event for them because they conduct the sports festivals at the community level cultural authorities make contribution they exhibit different dishes or dances and it has been having a great impact the radio station has managed to conduct four training courses for voluntary reporters we see the political will of the municipality that is also present when it comes to economic management it's not so much because the municipal media they don't have many resources but when it comes to self-management perhaps they can manage this because sometimes we see a precarious situation when it comes to the labor force and we still have a number of staff who are employed by the station and the radio authorities have had a say there are two journalists who work in the coordination and there are over 20 voluntary respondents and also children correspondents and also part of the presentation of the radio station I mean the only professional staff they have is the director of the show and the sound recorder but when it comes to production scripts this is conducted by the voluntary reporters and the radio station wants to continue engaging people in these activities so people who want to approach the mass media because the mass media they are a tool of participation where they can exercise citizenship media citizenship is a way of feedback when it comes to the management, public management and people and the second project and the international women parade they made a mapping of solidarity people's economy they get into account female economy while they were well at some point they wanted to reach out to the state their experiences in the field of the program of the investment of women there were a number of centers for women to wash the clothes of laundromats many initiatives from the cultural level that also had to do with the family agriculture we're urban agriculture and they're selling solidarity prices they're donating certain products they support with different processes many of the women who are organized they own their own productions they were able to wash the clothes to so during the pandemic they began assisting the production of different items for a while I was close to a community in Baracoa it's called Kivi High they have no electricity they're not they don't have fixed line and they have a woman who has permaculture she has been working there for three it's a beautiful place and she the work that she generates the post that she generates and she employs mostly young women because there are less jobs in that possibility because the forestry the forestry companies have jobs for people who want to cut down pine trees but this is not for women but they usually say that's for men not for women in the field of agriculture and she mostly employs young women and she also teaches people how to preserve food because they do not have electricity a refrigerator and she has chaired these experiences with other people and she has a reserve of a reserve for when it comes to when there are weather related events people can have access to this preserved food she donates food to six families and to other 40 families she sells these products at solidarity prices and a woman lives in an area where there is no communication in an isolated place so these mapping included 10 initiatives very interesting things that are being developed the issue of community communication when they have tried to work in the communities when we sit at a table and we face we realize that communication is still one of the major problems that we have because the way in which it is translated the intervention still has a paternalistic approach sometimes people go to a community and they start working without knowing the community so it's important that these things that are taking place in other contexts that are not urban content should also be known and disseminated because the political sense that this has la idea de que viniera porque sabíamos que estaba bueno your participation was quite important since you have great knowledge about these new issues in communication in general sense I know some people shall go to that community to show some of the experiences there we were talking about the challenges in that our revolution gave us a new opportunity and we are lucky enough to have Judy Perez Martinez connected I see him but I don't know yes good afternoon everyone thank you Judy for being with us he was with us since the first session of this forum and he is with us again this afternoon well I'll try to be brief my greetings to everyone who has spoken before and to those who are connected I just wanted to share with you some thesis and some premises I wanted to defend here I was listening to Gerardo and that makes me think that we have to analyze everything related to participation in Cuba and those are they have a diagnosis by social sciences done by social sciences and some other areas of scientific knowledge and there are actions which are focused in solving the problems related to participation in Cuba and today we can visualize that through macro programs, guidelines projects, programs and a number of initiatives which are aimed to analyze in a multidisciplinary and comprehensive way the people's participation I also think that the best way to generate the participation in Cuba is by promoting with new concepts of democracy and when I say new concepts of democracy I mean the analysis from the viewpoint of the society in construction with all the contrast it generates and we to understand that participation is to be contextualized in a society that is built in an alternative kind of society in a society which is alternative to the capital not only because of a rupture which is so important but also because of the importance it has to visualize socialism as a way to identify human beings not only from the material viewpoint but also from the spiritual position participation might be achieved only if we include in a comprehensive way different sectors and we need to understand that the best objective of participation is people's participation having the people participating with responsibility which is shared co-responsibility so when we analyze the demands and the needs of the citizens in Cuba should not be one way need or one way position the government might be not only associative and the dynamic have to go have to have to go in different ways both ways and this is a way to give and take and we have to analyze how we participate considering our individual prosperity but also in the way to have this participation bill the republic and the participation of everyone in our constitutional design as said by many we have potential to articulate high levels of participation however we need to wonder ourselves what's happening with these instruments with these ways of participation in the Cuban socialist practices where we have some problems of lack of efficacy and efficiency I consider myself that all this and it is crucial that we have to understand that socialism is not a spontaneous reproducing some contexts but we have to find different ways of people's participation in all the dimensions and in all territorial levels with no doubt at all this is an important element I would like as well to highlight that there is a contradiction which is today present in Cuba and that we should visualize that a contradiction and that is that today Cuba is in need of generating in rebuilding a permanent source of participation a permanent source of construction of internal dialogues inside the Cuban citizenship where to express the diversity of the Cuban citizenship where to express the different lines of construction from the constitutional point of view but this capacity of generating this participation which is sufficient and effective is having a contradiction and that is determined or posed by the capacity of unity in the face of the aggressive policy of the imperialism which is truly seen in this conventional and nonconventional wars so I consider that once again the blockade is to be considered which is seen not only as a hurdle to the economic development of the country but and this way to see all this to analyze all this made us think that these coercive and unilateral measures are to be eliminated this blockade makes impossible to have a different kind of society and of course manifests and maximize different mistakes of socialism and that is something to consider because we have the need to participate to dialogue and to do that with intelligence enough to be united I believe unity the present Cuba it's important that something I wanted to take for reflection is urgent considering the standard of participation of socialism in Cuba to overcome this concept of participation as a form of homogenous practice conceived mainly about participation or limited dialogue so participation cannot be standardized homogenous practice we need to have participation considering the specific role in different dynamics of the subjects I mean the workers in their places of work the citizens in their meaning as political subjects in peoples consultations in dynamics like participatory meetings and this might happen according to the mechanism of participation that exists and many times we are not to wait from having for having some structures from the leadership but the citizens might have the possibility to have this participation scenarios and I believe it's also important to try to overcome a trend which is in the institutional speech and in practices to take power in some entities and in some representative groups and give some more to eliminate the administrative categories of some institutions and organizations for instance in the municipalities it's fundamental not only for the political system but also for the citizenship to understand that the municipal peoples power assembly is the most important entity of the state in that context and is empowered with the highest authority and the relation of the municipal assembly with the administration cannot be seen as horizontal work it has to be analyzed as a going together kind of work that municipal assembly is coordinated to the provincial one which is also considering some important elements of the direct election of the president by the citizens so it's fundamental to understand socialism from the daily point of view and for that it's necessary to strengthen the democratic culture and give education for participation but not thinking about ideals but also to think about what we have about tangible things we have to make policy not on ideals but on practical terms in the reality that shows where we have to interact where to have more practices of participation where we have to determine mechanisms which are not feasible and to have the capacity to recognize all these elements participation should not be abstract should not be just an academic word just by saying participation people should not be smiling about the idea of having participation participation is not a magic word but is a functional element is an element of democratic quality and is also an element sustainability of socialism in Cuba among the elements that might generate a threat for socialism in Cuba we can find the fact of non considering participation as an element for democratic union we are in the need to have a more democratic socialism so we have to build the standards for democracy so the citizenship I have a fundamental element in this concern and I also would like to mention some elements which are important at the time of creating a context for participation I believe which is crucial is to understand who participate and then we speak about legitimacy consider as a system not only from the formal or the material points of view but from the critical one we have the capacity we need to have the capacity about the perception of the fair things about participation the possibility of participation then we have to analyze the legal elements about this participation Cuba is a country that have low standards of age for participation Cubans have my leg, my vote when they are 16 because we have teenagers participating and we also have to reinforce that civilian culture and the public culture to be able to participate we have to create not only a participation culture but also a deliberation culture and of course participation considering peculiarities of each project and dynamics inserted in society and of the transversal participation element is why participating and then we have to consider not only values as Joel said positive elements as a phenomena of reality but we have also to consider some elements of reality which are to be included in the movements and actions executed by individuals and it's also urgent in my belief to know which are the motivations of the Cuban citizens to participate and to be able to build and to contribute with that consensus and then we are to also in the need to differentiate spaces and possibilities we have to see where the debates are taking places in the city or in some other specific context you have taken too much of time like what you are saying but I didn't know how to make you know notice that you are taking most of the time that was given to you the way we found later I believe you have the opportunity in the debates to be able to discuss your assessment about participation from the legal viewpoint and about more specialized issues which are part of these topics and education issues we have also Manolo de los Santos from the People's Forum who has been one way or another supporting because it has great knowledge about Cuba and about this important battle against a blockade and about the analysis they make from the United States unfortunately most of this information has been viral not even when it is based on wrong information so some friends from Solidarity decided to change that fake image in the midst of let's Cuba live de Cuba vivir and it's important to have this participation so Manolo how do you see all this Cuba reality from the viewpoint of the organizations where you are daily participating bueno un fuerte saludo well, greetings to all people in Cuba and those who are listening to us to me it is an honor to be together with so many people who are consider my heroes, my teachers, my mentors so just after listening to this panel I have learned a lot and I have been nourished out of the urgent challenges present challenges that you face in Cuba but very rarely this cause in this field of solidarity I wish you can replicate this experience I'm sure that many other people have to listen to these debates this political perspective from Cuba and also from a revolutionary outlook I think that a starting point for me and I say to me and also to a generation of comrades and the political movements and social movements in the United States our starting point is not only solidarity with Cuba from a nostalgic approach but what has been reached and built within the revolution it seems to me that we have come to appreciate Cuba because it's not a finished project because we see this as a process because we see there are many things remaining we do not ignore the challenges faced by Cuba we do not ignore that people has to do a lot to do racism, xenophobia we do not ignore that in Cuba there are still elements of social injustice but still we persist because we see the level of a favorite war that persists from the United States the one that is oppressing and exploiting us here they say in all possible ways not only to defeat the Cuba revolution but also they state they need to defeat the Cuban people and the country project or the future project that Cuba has we have been being taken a look at this after what happened on July 11 how all of a sudden not only from the government but from the influencers the corporate media and the United States social media all of a sudden there is a sudden interest on Cuba's problems all of a sudden there is a huge interest on the need to solve Cuba's problems not only from the humanitarian standpoint we have to resolve races in Cuba xenophobia housing problems in Cuba so this youth segment within solidarity with Cuba we think that once again we bet on the defense of the idea and the future and the potential of Cuba and together with Cuba we want to dream about a different reality for the planet the current reality is not perfect in Cuba and we think that on the country Cuba has the right to defend this futuristic idea this country project we believe that Cuba has the right to defend the capacities and possibilities to make mistakes they have the right to do this and they have the right to defend that everything cannot be solved and there are still many things to be solved the right to experiment, to create to innovate and a new way to organize the society I think we commit to that that's why the message that we want to convey about let Cuba live is not only long live Cuba because they have a health system because they have educated thousands of people not because everything they have accomplished but just let Cuba live so that they continue creating and innovating let Cuba live so there can be a future in Cuba so that there can be a source of inspiration not only for the Cuban youth but also for world youth to fight we assume that Cuba is not a model for all peoples in struggling in the world but this is still a source of inspiration to create the world that we want I believe not to take more time we have also faced a very interesting situation because we have seen the reactions of these groups that now they are very much interested in the future of Cuba and the problems of Cuba those who criticize this statement by Black Lives Matters they are the big anti-racist in the world but we know them here we have seen them in action and taking the floor here likewise they attack Cuba they are the most reactionary forces in all political processes that take place within the United States we see that those who attack us because we defend Cuba they attack us with the same discourses homophobic racist discourses of the ultra right wind of the United States that's why we have seen that the correlation of forces is pushing us to defend Cuba not only because of the fact that we defend Cuba because Cuba is good or because the revolution is good but because of our interests are in line to create a better world a new world and that new world has to have a name and a surname and we are calling it socialism we have the need to push and to defend that lastly once again not today more time because I think what has been said before has been of greater value by the comrades of Cuba but I think it's part of the call urgent call I would say not only to stand in solidarity not only to those who are considered to be friends of Cuba but to a new generation of people's movements of political processes in both sides to get closer to Cuba to learn to listen to these rich debates again to engage in their defense as the defense of what is possible of what is needed of the future project of humanity it seems to me that I would like to stop here we shall continue to defend Cuba against all the forms of aggression against Cuba, against the blockade but we want to insist on the fact that we have to engage in new relations new bonds with the Cuban people that can allow us to create this new world on a joint basis thank you, I'm very glad to be here with our friends from Martin Luther King center who have been our tishers in essence in this process to really think and reorganize the political work living behind dogmouse and sectorism and therefore I would like to thank them for this opportunity and also the possibility to continue working together thank you thanks Manolo for your daily work and for and for the words about Cuba while saying that Cuba is perfect of course we are model which is working for social justice and for change and everything that is to be changed but it's not in the media agenda all these encounters have been taking place just to put into debate all this reality and to debate about new arguments about present Cuba there are some greetings from the Carioca or Puerto Rico Solidarity with Cuba group and the work done by Chema Sanchez we have some contact from Pirata Rio from the promise of Buenos Aires from Remedios Cuba from the network de educadores populares in Baracoa Guantanamo personas linked to the experience we have a different provinces in in the Vancouver group of Solidarity with Cuba we have a question by someone named Castellano part of the strategy of revolution is using artists as an international campaign to victimize alleged artists and violating their rights these actions are taking what actions are taking to countervests these kind of campaigns against artists there is another question from Castellano which is published in Casa de las Americas Facebook how social networks contribute to the position of church and in how to eliminate this credit of the events of July 11 there is a question by Geraldine she says as we see with Sun Sunayo imperialism targets what is happening with some sectors of youth how many of these young people are present in this cultural sector that Gerald was mentioning when Quote Martín Heredia and which is the bourgeois position while using culture can you please give the link of the different groups greeting from the international network with solidarity with Cuba from the United States and a comment from Angel Guerras about how this work in the neighborhoods in the communities has been focused in the last times in vulnerable in vulnerable neighborhoods after July 11 there is a new experience working experience in the neighborhoods in Cuba and it's important to say that this is also taking to some other places we have a rounder of questions and answers so we have less time now just taking the last question in my personal opinion I think it's not so important to if we begin now or we are going to neighborhoods now of we went before I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone but if you go to my facebook page or my facebook site you can see I went to San Isidro I went to San Pedroito in Guantanamo in Ho Chi Minh in Guantanamo even before July 11 even prior in previous years it's something I tried to do before of course this force this strength and this campaign of putting our heart in the neighborhoods starting now but this is a suggestion of the population if the people is saying that something is wrong if there are problems in some place we have to take care of those problems and I guess I believe that more than a reason to be criticized or more than something that can be criticized is something to be highlighted because we indeed are going to the neighborhoods no matter if it is happening after or before July 11 and something that Manolo said and I say that in a brief manner Manolo said that many of those who are trying to raise a flag of anti-racism or anti-homophobic flag are the same ones that in the United States support any reactionary cause and that took me to the years in which I lived in the United States during the 1990s and in the case of Miami the anti-cuban campaigns were listened to in the Miami radio stations and speaking about stations like Radium and B7 days a.m. 24 hours broadcasting propaganda against Cuba speaking about human rights violation in Cuba and you know all that and they used to say today is a special day because we are visited by Patricia Pinochet the daughter of Augusto Pinochet we are talking all the time and I swear that I swear yes they were talking for all about the good things about Pinochet's regime and in the case of artists you take my phone you see the number of some of them in my phone because we are friends we have been taking care of us together but these same people who are talking about freedom and diversity in Cuba they have a code to be able to be accepted I mean to be defined the way they call themselves for them to be able to live in the United States they have to be given very specific responses on the more revolutionary participation they had in Cuba the more they are to speak bad things about Cuba we have monsters in music like Arturo Sandoval who used to be in my opinion almost a fascist he was a member of the party communist party in Cuba he used to travel in the world and he had some pictures taken with Del Castro and for him to be forgiven for that he had to speak very very nasty things about Cuba and that is what is happening with artists people who were living in Cuba thanks president for being in my concert and you know when they go to the states on these videos or their concerts were seen in the United States now they have to change and they have to be very cruel in the manner they prefer to Cuba so if you have let's say an Audi what kind of equity you are talking about are the rest of the people as Manolo who has a car which is an Audi and you have to see one of the tweets that was very famous about Alejandro Sanz he said that the Cuba revolution is wrong and all these bad things about the revolution and then he was supposed to say something about the dictatorship of Valencia Batista but he cannot say anything about that controlling the cultural means are descendants from Batista and he cannot speak bad, he cannot say wrong things about Batista and those artists who live Cuba and they speak about the freedom expression in Cuba they can say anything about the Cuban Revolution but they cannot say anything against the blockade they cannot speak bad about the blockade I came to the United States trying to be free and I would like to send money as Mexicans to my country but the blockade is not stopping me from doing that but the government so they say they wanted to live in the states most of them were white as they said many years ago and the CIA is not working with reduced budget so they realized that they needed to find some Negro people some Negro artists, animalists environmental people trying to turn many people against the Cuban Revolution but if you want to try who are concerned about the freedom expression you have to go to Miami and see in what news program they are saying wrong things about the blockade or they say just something like if we are the free country in the world why? I'm not allowed to smoke a cojiba or why I'm not allowed to buy Santiago Ram in Miami so they need to be brave enough to have the freedom expression they want for Cuba thank you thank you two comments because I was inspired by the words of Manolo I began to think about two things once the freedom speech I always wonder how far when people take advantage of all opportunities in signers or signers to express ourselves not only as artists economic or political subject in all dimensions of human beings and when we look at these spaces we realize that based on our studies many of these spaces are not even used for people to express themselves when something else is related to the fact after several years I've been working with the issues of inequality I express in these studies and here in Cuba we cannot talk about no, we only speak these and we bring two different spaces because as a subject and committed to these issues and I go to the places that are designed for that and there are so many not only to express but also to participate in the solution to these problems and these are issues that to me as a young woman I feel connected to this project because I see there countless opportunities participation as a political subject I can dream to become of becoming classical things that could be in a life project but I see a horizon opportunity as the realization of a human being the difference I feel when I participate in the red of people's educators or when I engage with the youth in my neighborhood to devise a community project this possibility to explore and rethink and I leave the process of the period of revolution as a social laboratory to see how far we can go when it comes to human innovation to look for emancipation to make feel that horizon of unlimited possibilities and the other thing I want to refer to has to do with community work and they say that community work started short ago but when I decided to choose for my research topic we chose inequality but also how we organized ourselves to work with inequality to manage solutions for inequality and I love to choose this other look that enabled me to approach this topic but also see how human creativity is deployed to take into account these kind of elements and this was I felt passionate because I tour different communities both rural and urban I loved the speakers intervention who talked about this I went to Baracoa Archivo en Camado de Vínes Vida de Melena, Aguada de Pasajeros y otras comunidades y vemos un despliegue de creatividad de los humanos para ver soluciones para diferentes problemas causados por inequality es verdad que no hemos llegado a todo lo que queríamos pero tiene que hacer con comunidades de aprendiz y también invitar en estos pasos lo que encontramos es mucha diversidad en las seis municipalidades que visité y en 5, 6 años hemos podido convertir una inventación de 154 actividades para llevar en cuenta o para aclarar muchas inequalities y esto es conductivo por la política en las políticas públicas podemos obtener un feedback de estas políticas lo que estamos diciendo y lo que queremos es que este escenario de creatividad vea cómo podemos dar respuestas a estas cuestiones gracias, Haiti Pedro, saludos ¿Puedes escucharme? saludos a Guerrita quien puso una de las comunidades que compartiste con nosotros Guerrita, muchas gracias por permitirme publicar en la Magazine Bohemia hace un rato referimos a la articulación entre la comunidad y la media entre estos dos porque se ha hecho por mucho tiempo estas intervenciones participación de la comunidad intervención no es el trabajo pero el trabajo social en el nivel de la comunidad y es un trabajo distinto en el más difícil año en 1994 en Uniac alguien que en este escenario también sabe en una época muy crícola ahora hay un papel para publicar los libros el teatro fue muy depresivo la participación fue peor ahora en el 1994-1995 hay grandes blackouts por mucho tiempo y tuvimos pocas horas de luz para unir formamos un movimiento de comunidad y un movimiento para comunicadores o coordinadores en el nivel de la comunidad y es compuesto por muchos artistas donde residen tienen diferentes formas de participación de la gente no sólo trabajan en issues literarios pero incluyen dimensiones ambientales even economic and productive dimension and is still preserved un poco el ministro de Cultura el ministro Alonso met with 40 representatives of different cultural community initiatives but many of them I realize who have been working for many years before and I realize not a turning point in the Cuban revolution when it comes to cultural work it has been developed for many years not only in Havana but throughout the country the jar of Pellegrín in Pinal de Río province what el mejunje in Santa Clara province has been made they have taken food and inputs to people who are sick people who have had losses as a result of COVID even in Havana the president was there but long before they were working there for years it is true that we have to articulate the media filled with the community to let people know about this but this is not something recent I can swear that we have been present long before and the only thing I wanted to say freedom of speech in Cuba we talk about everything you have to be present in a forum of Uniac people talk about things I am based on my own experience my personal experience in the Uniac in a union of writers artists of Cuba in the discussion forum they discuss anything they want people who are making jokes and someone said I oppose and then he said what is it about so and lastly I wanted to talk someone talked about this before someone from Argentina they talked about the music the hegemonica industry designed such a way and they distort and impose likes some good but mostly bad likes this is not the case but I would like to discuss how I mean the dissemination of a notion that is totally distorted that is urban music urban music is the one that is made in the cities but they have imposed a pattern of urban music and it's the living musicians the one who have imposed this famous Cuban musician said I have to study 12 years in a music school to master this it's a famous Cuban musician who also makes Cuban music and he has, I was able to master many structures so as someone comes now says that you have to be a musician to say 3 or 4 things and this is not the case of the great musician and the great opportunistic heraldor I refer to but I'm talking about Lausanne musicians who supports someone Jose Martí Pinoza a la fama y Wissendono va juntos I can be very famous but I can have zero talent and so far most expressions have come from my draggy people from people who are not artists I have to see this of course the true talents express freely in Cuba but with a Cuban feeling and I challenge anyone else to prove otherwise thanks Pedro Joel you've got the floor there is a complex question for the panel which is the role play the church in all this context and I just wanted to say that this religious field that any other social in society has the same conflict some problems there is a church here representing all the independence patriotic feelings of the population in Cuba and there is a growth of in a notorious way of a religious fundamentalism with a political agenda that as it was said religion has been present in a critical manner in facing the revolution in challenging the revolution is a matter we have to take care of we have to analyze religion is not a simple thing in the daily life of the population but this matter goes beyond this panel the time of this panel first we are talking about freedom of speech and Hades was speaking about this and I also would like to talk about the limits of freedom of speech there is a phrase that says that neoliberalism is the reality of half truth and that is indeed this concept true because I guarantee the freedom of speech but also I have to see who is guaranteeing this right I can't be talking about anything in the world I can talk about being exploited in my place of work or anything how my rights are violated but who guarantees me that someone is listening to my statements important thing from this freedom of speech there is also an important issue that is indeed that you have the right to be listened to there is a political willingness in the country to go more and more dealing with this the right moment to give this freedom to why to widen this freedom of speech but defending the right of freedom of speech is all that if that freedom of speech is aggressive or undermining the rights of others that's not good this fundamentalist religious context is asking for spaces in the means of communication we have hegemonic means of communication as television and radio where in that position I wouldn't give the opportunity to anti-right wing people to speak about ideology or to speak about gender issues or to speak about sexual education which is also so necessary and I'm not going to give the opportunity to this kind of against right wing people speak bad about the government so I have to see as mass media who I give the opportunity to talk and to have this freedom of speech socialist press have the challenge to build and to have this hegemonic nature and to have human beings as a center of reproduction material and spiritual reproduction of life but not the market so capitalism denies rights and imperialism is a deformation misinformation of the empowerment of some potentials so we have to analyze where, when we give space to these kind of people to speak about freedom of speech the role played by youth I just wanted to say that young people youth is facing all the time something which is not awfully mentioned and that is that many of the comments are used to speak about senior citizens and this Joel and I we were talking about the fact that some student from senior high school was talking about the responsibility had in society he said he was all enough to have criteria and to have opinions and political issues and political spaces in our schools and in our communities which might be organized by political organizations has been deteriorated and we have to take back to rescue the participation of young people while talking about political issues that's something we used to do but we are not doing anymore so we have to retake the possibility of talking to young people to know how they are having this emancipatory kind of feelings so there are things also they would like to discuss with the government like homophobia or macho man positions which is something present in academic institutions and it's important as well to start once for all to stop being afraid of young organizations and emerging groups as the case of urban tribes or the assimilation of Korean culture like kpop and to live with these emerging groups and to start analyzing the viewpoints of young people let them participate in some specific processes and some of them have a political point of view like topics like animalism or feminism but also about issues related to LGBT community so I believe that recognizing some other identities not to fade them but working with them it's also some important matter to be able to have the youth in our side and they just want to have the spaces to be able to take the floor thanks I just wanted to say something when we talk about freedom freedom I would like to mention Marinello he said exercising freedom means responsibility well Judy yes I'll try not to speak that long this time yes democracy cannot be understood as an illegal space a while ago during an interview I said something similar Kiba has proven is not a manifestation of the exercise of freedom of speech of certain individual liberties understanding this in this individualistic logic and many people by this is to be held hostage of something that puts aside a number of political economic social ideological religious variables that are present in one place at a given historical time this reductionism presents as partly the coexistence in a single state a single subject of aims that are by nature antagonic is incompatible in the same country is asking freedom and on the other side military intervention that is opposed or incompatible because they are contrary to the social meaning that for Kiba freedom has or the assessments that Kiba make about any warlike conflict and the meaning of war for Kiba it is not implied unfortunately that they are present in the social media as compatible with these powers that is promote from the media power centers and it is important to understand that is important and needed to work not only from the standpoint of the media on the social media but how public of this course is built in no place in the role freedoms are a limit in order to have a fair social order it is important that these liberties are censored in the face of collective freedom that's what article 45 of the Kiba constitution states that rise that are not absolute that are limited by these elements should be this guarantee first that the boundaries do not affect the dignity of human people article 40 of the constitution stating that the dignity is the supreme value of all rights and secondly they have to be a previous regulation of the limit you cannot establish the limit afterwards but they have to be made for in front so I think there are many opinion matrix six that present rise what in fact are not and for that we have to highlight every day the democratic culture from an innovation system to participate in and I think that all technology civic technology plays a key role so that teenagers and adults can also be inserting this dynamics of participation thank you Jude Manolo are you with us I don't see Manolo is online before I give the floor to Gerrita I think Carlito can open the chat because there are other comments that I would like to read as well please can you do that well I know Cuban experience for over 20 years with the Martin Luke centers with the UNIAC with the Felix Barleta center Rogelio Molanco says was ambassador to Venezuela and the imperialism is trying to impose the same screed against Venezuela with the warimbas and the states under control you see people in the European Union and they are trying to have an alleged parallel government so how concrete this danger is part of the culture work is in the conceptual definition of cultural trends so there is a group of new organization working with different topics race, youth, women, religion others was a contribution by this new organization so the organization of peoples power in Cuba how do you assess the role of peoples power the whole world has the agenda of freedom of speech many people take a little approach and the responsibility of freedom of speech that person is wondering nothing happens with those responsible of fake news I give the floor to Gerrita if there is any other person please take the floor please ask for the floor Gerrita, you have the floor I don't think it's the right time but I want to say that I feel felt very good very much encouraged by a very rich debate with very important contributions including Gerrardo on the last contribution but last speaker including a number of young men and women I don't have the pleasure to know but they have awakened my admiration I didn't have the honor to be with Gerrardo he and Ramón Lavallino are two of our if I fear that I haven't had the chance to meet and I have been also very much encouraged to listen to him I've been tracking him down as coordinator of the CDRs every time I can but it seems to me that the favorite website as it has been done over the last few times it should be this activity should be more visible he's working in the neighborhoods because I think it's very important I'm very pleased with Pedro de Laos I published his work in Bohemia we published in the Bohemia magazine not only me there in the magazine I know it was a John Lernich it was very promising he had many things to say and we have to read the article at the time how this young journalist was already writing outstanding articles and he was very witty and he showed great professionalism for his own age that was not coming and you said something Pedro it's true it is 11 of life not a turning point but I think what is important has been said I'm not going to say something new it seems very important to insist on the fact that 11 of July is the consequence of years of work of the enemy to lead to the overthrow of the Cuban revolution of this government and this leadership and apart from that this is the expression the reinforced blockade with great cruelty during the pandemic we threw 143 measures but we have to say this over and over again the 40 measures they made during the very pandemic the one well we were included in the list of states sponsoring terrorism knowing that this caused an additional damage what I think is important to rescue on the one hand from some point of the enemy that is something that is very important to explain this to so many people in the world that unfortunately they get a narration about these totally false the other thing that is very important is that on the 11th de julio there were also claims those claims are being taken care of and we have been taking care of that and we have engaged in dialogue with the population as it is seen in no other place in the world in what country in the world the president goes to San Antonio the town of San Antonio after the president to talk to people this is an example of an acting democracy as all the statements that have been made here today so I feel very much encouraged and I want to thank you all for being here I would like you to share the names of comrades who have been making their these courses and the organizations and programs that belong to where they are involved just to me so that I can write about what I am witnessing today I think this is very important gracias Garrida Garrida I don't know if somebody else would like to talk here he is from Greece we have been created for three months now and I just wanted to share some experience from the other side of the of the world you remember the Arab spring and that was related to freedom of speech in Libya in Syria and I am not talking about socialist countries I am talking about countries who were outside were a bunch of the imperialism they had problems and maybe mistakes but when the imperialism used the pretext of taking freedom with war with destruction with bombing and what happened in those countries especially in Libya which is very close to Greece more than 500,000 people lived in Libya that turned into a feudalist country where American and European companies controlling oil are back and they also have some tribes and leaders under their control that was a country totally destroyed when imperialism speaks about freedom of speech they are trying to invent these stories which are total destruction and consider that the Cuban revolution with all the problems it might have which have been mentioned in an enthusiastic way to rectify socialism which is human socialism but it's not perfect indeed it is human and that is important this is the example we were able to see today that's why we would like to deeply thank you from Greece because you were talking about a reality in Cuba to the other side of the world in Europe and about the way you have been working doing good and wrong things but indeed you are defending that certain that you are defending the future of the people of Cuba thank you very much Agostas Agostas from Greece is the coordinator of the rechapter of the network in defense of humanity they have been he has been doing a great work in the intellectuals network and I would like to thank you for being with us and giving this testimony from that other side of the world I don't know if anyone else is asking for the opportunity to talk someone from Casa de las Américas Facebook said this can be a collective expression and in the media we need to see the expressions of the peoples organizations no matter which they are thanks and my greetings from Europe a final idea from the members of the panel Gerardo this idea from my responsibility of national coordinator of city arts and I have been in different parts in different parts of the conversation I have been mentioned let me tell you we are celebrating 61 years of our organization and we know the need to give a turn to the organization to change the way of working Cuba in 2021 is not the same country from the year 1960 when this organization was created even if we are following the same purpose which is defending the revolution from our communities so we have to rethink our way of working we have to get adapted to new times and then we are working precisely with the participation of science and experts of the community and some other comrades that with great work in community work are also contributing with us and they are committed to work with us to get closer to real problems in communities and CDR is my respond to this vital question what is CDR what is the CDR today and at the same time that the population have the answer when they ask themselves what am I supposed to be given and this is a way to get closer to present problems Heidi from CLAXO Heidi Fondora from CLAXO CLAXO it's a final comment what is the participation of all these emerging youth and I would like just to mention as an example I am part of a feminist group Berta Cáceres and we have participated in different projects and I am part as well of people's educators network and I represent the participation of after women in different programs for transforming we can see that young people are part of those same spaces I am also a member of a CDR and member of the Cuban women's federation and we as I say we are participating in different processes and having dialogue in different processes and as I said before I place my hope in a renovation of the working experiences in community that have been done for many years now but also in the spaces in the projects that are created now which were out of the public policies and now they are important platforms of participation of unity considering the commitment we have with the socialist process Pedro de la OZ Vice President of the Union of Writers and Artists of Cuba and Heading the Commission Against Racism yes just few words working enhances people and we are to work I'll never be tired of working for a better future which is not an utopia it's a possible utopia and the second thing is that with this panel on my participation I say that for the first time on August 31st we are celebrating for the first time the day of the African descendant we in Cuba Afro, Latin, Caribbean country and also descendant from Africa this is a cultural legacy color social coordinator Joel Suárez social activist executive coordinator from the Martin Luther King Union Center I'm a believer I believe in God I have never seen him sometimes he does not answer when I call him living in this country mostly times of pandemic in the exercise solidarity that I've seen every day I've seen the face of God and even the horrible anguish I mean when there are no medication when something is lacking is still something a great joy to me and a great hope because this revolution has the capacity Cádiz Rafael Albertís member of the network ETH I would like to get back to the words by Marcelo who posed a question who was quite complex I think is perhaps a continuity for upcoming panel how these new struggles that could deepen socialism could in a way can faster and promote peopleís power that is they do that and a great deal so I would like to thank Marcelo for that question and lastly in line with my previous figures said in the last address when I with Lidia and Gordillo said something beautiful as to how these people has to be respected a great deal because after so many years of enduring and reinvent themselves we deserve victory thank you Claudia, a jury Yuri Perez Martinez from the union of jurist of Cuba just to say to be true to the essence of nature of our system I think the best formula to define ourselves have to be that the state to the peopleís power we have to defend the socialist state of law and social justice we can never forget social justice where we can maximize the prevalence of the constitution the constitution is not the result of the work of a few but rather of work of many where rights and liberties of citizens are respected but we exercise also the fulfillment of duties that is so important for the exercise of democracy and of course in the environment of equality without discrimination and in an environment where we can interact humans and nature I think is vital in this world that we have today that in the end history will prove us right because being on the side of the peopleís power is very significant thank you, thank you Yuri well Manolo de los Santos with us he also participated in this panel I would like to thank all the members of the panel all who have been following these cycles in the 17 that we started there are standing questions that we should have to respond to in a different format we should have to give continuity to this space not perhaps with panels but with the interviews I think it will be important but I would like to thank all the organizations who have helped us to made this happen I would like to say to convey these debates a la revolucionaria today the Union of Journalists of Cuba the Union of Writers and Artists of Cuba the National Association of Accountants the Networking and the Defense of Humanity Martin Luther King Centers Resume Latinoamericanos the Union of Jurists of Cuba the Peopleís Forum organizations in the United States who have been receiving these broadcasting in English Cuba Debate also supporting these broadcasting the Cuban Institute of Friendship with the People so itís a wide range numerous group organizations also the civil society who have participated in these and we end today with footage just ten minutes one of the most extensive but it bear witness of the meeting of Frey Beto Frey Beto in a community in a neighborhood in Bayamo that is so important for Cuba for the nationality of Cuba and what Frey Beto said at the time to that community is still present today and with this we say goodbye I would like to thank you thank you all thank you for your time and we would like to share with you with this footage you have in your hands different tools of peopleís power you have the zone groups the association of small agricultural producers pedagogical personnel university staff people in sugar factories so there is a number a big number of tools and of parts of a social network that constitute the peopleís power and the question is are you still having a position a position a waiting for things to come from up to down or are we aware that a real revolution cannot be a weak revolution a weak is something you place in your head from top down to high that you have no hair or to cover white hair the revolution has to be a hair growing from the roots or because the government any government works only with few things if you have only been you have been you have to cook in the pressure cooker same thing happens if the government have no pressure masses they are doing nothing if we are just waiting and not acting thatís not good we have to make the dreams true so I hope that one day you might have an answer of the many questions asked by the lady who has many questions before we just met at this meeting we didnít met before we didnít meet before you have a lot of credits has elapsed almost 60 years of the revolution these children here many of them will now be taking drugs from one mountain to another not going to school many of them may be 12 30 years of age just trafficking with drugs but also not only trafficking with drugs but also consuming drugs many of the girls here might be prostitutes that its happening in Brazil so many of the people here me myself for instance in Bayamo no seem family which is en the streets I have seen I have not seen women sleeping in the squares and in the parks with their children unprotected having no food dependent on public charity or in people that gives them some money to buy food or I have not seen people asking for food for themselves but many times people showing solidarity with Cuba were concerned in Latin America for instance about those facts some people unfortunately even Cuba compare Cuba not only to Latin American countries but also to the United States while the metrics of development for us is that consumption society that oppressive society of the United States who is able to make this kind of comparison might be having the wrong answer because happiness does not depend on having electrical appliances electronic things or cars or houses with swimming pools that is an illusion that are given by Hollywood films or as to stop being citizen and start being consumption persons happiness lies in a simple life in which feelings are shared with love in which assets are shared with love for instance an example they don't feel envy for the life for the life we have we are for them indigenous who live in tribes they those tribes have no technologies as we have as the people who live in the Amazon area in Brazil and they are happy because a child is a child not only of his or her parents but is a child of the community and they have seen the fragile points of life and they own time we all have watch in our wrists and we have the cough of time in our hands you know perhaps in Holguin you are saying Fred Beto is talking too much of our time probably you are thinking that but they are not in the Amazons the tribes are not owners of their times they don't need to gather many assets as people do in capitalism because just to have a fish they don't need to use the refrigerators to put more fishes in the fish in the fridge go to the river some fishes and that's it that's what they do they are in total contact with nature and nature can live without us that has happened for millions and millions of years human beings are degrading nature but we cannot live without nature there is no way to live without nature in contact with nature so in this revolution you must be proud of this revolution you have many reasons for being proud and also the historical the historical meaning of the Cuban revolution with its roots its origin which is called Jose Martín with its guide who is Fidel Castro for the present commander who is Raúl Castro and so many other revolutionary men and women that in daily life in an anonymous way give love to this cause and perhaps one of the most important credit is having this kind of people United States which is so close to your country and we in Brazil fortunately are far from the United States but you are very close to the states this country I mean the United States have invaded Iraq they have invaded Afghanistan they have invaded Libya and now they are invading Syria why are they not attacking Cuba right you know the answer to that question because in all the countries I just mentioned here they were trying to defeat the government and that is easy but what is not easy is to put down the whole people the whole country and they know they have to face the whole population of this country and they know and they have learned with the lessons taken from the Bay of Pigs battle and they know people cannot be defeated thank you very much