 So this is the review board for Burlington for February 15th. And we are fully remote at this point. And on zoom. We take up items that they are on in the agenda. And when we call people, Scott will admit people to participate. That's both of the applicant and members of the public who wish to speak. And people get sworn in at that time. And we ask that you give Scott your mailing address. Okay. So we have no consent item. So we might as well get right into the first item as a public hearing. For 77 79 Monroe street. Use of a. Units of the duplex as a bed and breakfast short-term rental. The applicant here, Scott. The applicant is here, Brad. After the fact, after the agenda went out, you may have noticed that this application in the next one on King street are recommended for consent. But that's that's your call as to how you want to handle it. I saw I saw that using the. Okay. So they were listed as consent in the staff report. They just didn't know that here. I'm happy to treat these two as. We'll start off seeing if it's a consent agenda. I will ask the applicant if we are you okay if we that's a Lucas. Yes, correct. And if we, you read the staff's findings and recommendations. I did. Yes. And you're okay with those. Yes, I'm fine with those. Is there anybody on the board who objects to treating this as a consent. Item. Okay. And there's nobody from the public who is wishing to speak on 77 79 Monroe street. Let me check on that, Brad. I see. Lori Koderman has her hand up, but I think she's an applicant for scarf avenue. So Lori, you can hear me. I'm going to lower your hand. If you really want to speak on Monroe street, you can raise it again. Okay. It looks like Lori is just here for her application. No one looking to speak. Would somebody like to make a motion on 77 79 Monroe street. I move that we. Accept staff recommendations and approve the application. Second on that. Jeff. Okay. Any discussion. All in favor. Anonymous. Okay. Your approval of this. Well, that was pretty painful. Thank you very much. I mean, sorry. It was a long, a long road to get here, but thank you very much. I appreciate it. Approval. The next item is 59 King street is the applicant here for that one. Yep. So Lori Koderman, I believe, is speaking for this one as well as. My son, Antonio is the occupant. He's right here. He can speak. I just want to, he's, we're here together. So you're only going to see my name, Scott. I just wanted to. Okay. So Lori and Antonio, this is recommended for consent item, which means that the staff has recommended approval. Are you okay with the recommendations of the staff? Yes. Okay. Anybody on the board object to treating this one as a consent item. Jeff. I guess I do have a question about. The relationship between this and the next one on our agenda. They look like there's similar applicants and they both require owner occupancy. So. I just need to understand what's going on there. Before you say, Lori, I think, so we'll take this off the consent agenda, which means we treat it as a public hearing. Okay. So I'll ask Lori and Antonio to swear yourselves in. Do you swear to tell the whole truth on the pain and penalty of perjury? Yes. Yes. Okay. So Jeff had a question about this one. Relative to. Own occupancy as a requirement for. Breakfast. Sure. So can you hear me? Yep. I'll speak to that. I apologize, Jeff. I understand your confusion. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'll speak to you. As I was speaking. I'm in Scarf Avenue. And Tony was my son. And we write. He's actually does all the cleaning for the short term rental. So it's his livelihood. And so his name really should not have been on scarf. I'm not so sure how he got on that, but he lives at King street. And. And we, we, and I live at Scarf Avenue. So Tony should not have been on that. I don't know how his name got on there. It was probably something I did when I was doing the application because I did the, I was the secretary for it all. I apologize for that confusion. It's your question. Jeff. It does. Any other questions for this applicant? Okay. Well, we'll probably take up and vote on this at the end of the meeting that I'll close the public hearing on this one at this point. And we'll move on to 65 Scarf Avenue. And is anybody here to speak on that besides the applicant? Scott. If to speak on this application or raise your hand. Nope. Just, just Lori. Okay. So I think. I guess I should swear you in again on this one, Lori, that you'll swear to tell the truth and hold truth on the pain and penalty of surgery. Or absolutely. Okay. So this one also seems fairly straightforward. I have to admit, I'm curious about one thing myself. And that is the site plan is from a 2020. Application. And it was approved. I assume you've built whatever is on that. Site. Yeah. So there's an area on there, a 20 by 30 foot. Area that is. Is that for parking? Yes. It's 30 by 30. It's actually 30 by 30, I think. Yeah. Okay. I was trying to figure out how you could maneuver. No, it's 30. Yeah, it's 30 by 30. And this is. Is this yours, Ryan? It is. Does that affect the lot coverage? A lot of coverage was calculated underneath that 2020 permit. That's associated with that site plan. So that was approved and developed as shown on the site plan. So they're just reusing that site plan. They're not changing anything on the site. Well, And that approved three spaces, which is the requirement for the proposed use. Overall. Yeah, but the site plan is not accurate. That's what I was at 30 by 30. Is that what you said? Yeah, it's 20 by 30 on the site plan. Yeah, I'd have to look into that because. Oh, Ryan. Oh, okay. My husband said it is 20 by 30. I'm sorry. I misheard him. So it is what it says. It's 20 by 30. And so it is approved for three cars, like Ryan said, but it's. Sorry, did you have a question? How do you put your three cars in there? I'm just curious. So, so. We, we people usually back out. So it's, you know, but we pull in and then we turn around and go out. So you put two cars into this area here, then one car on the driveway. Or three cars in there. Three cars, three cars fit. Thank you, Brad. Any other questions for the applicant on a scarf avenue? They did you have a question? Okay. That's the only question I had was that. Maneuverability, but it seems okay. Okay. I just wanted to look at one thing on the staff report. I didn't notice it. Ryan, do we say anything about hours on this? I might have recommended on the look. Oh yeah. Seven to 10, 7am to 10pm. Yeah, check in and check out. Okay. That was the main thing. Okay. Unless anybody else has a question. Close the public hearing. Thank you. Okay. I think we have an applicant team. So James, I'm going to start with you. So James, is there anyone else presenting with you tonight? Once you on mute. Is there anybody else besides James presenting? Yeah, I see GBA conference room. See me. That's a human. So you can speak to you now. All right. Thanks. Thanks. Is that anybody from the public? Scott, is that, that's it. If anyone else from the public is looking to speak on this application. 251 South Indian street. Raise your hand, please. Who's here from GBA. That's Steve Crudel. Okay. So Steve and James. Would you raise your right hand? And swear that you would tell the truth and whole truth on the pain and penalty of perjury. Yes. I hear one. Yes. James. Yeah. Is that okay? Yes. So. Can I just jump in briefly? Yeah. Earlier today, I discovered. A mistake on my part. About inclusionary. Originally this project was, I forget what it was, but it was more than 10 units. And even as adaptive reuse inclusionary zoning applies. But it's since been slimmed down. To eight units. So the threshold for inclusionary zoning for an adaptive reuse project is 10. So well, originally it looked like they were going to have to deal with inclusionary. They don't have to because they're talking about eight units as presented. So you can strike the. No finding about inclusionary. And I'll just mention that I have a question of whether that. Unit one is really a viable unit. You know, in terms of. Windows and egress and all of the kind of stuff. So. It's a bread that unit one. And the latest elevations we put together. We would actually. Yeah. Is what it is. Is the one in the center. In the main. One on the. What would be the south side and then the center. Yeah. So we'd have to watch. That the window. Into the living area. To get the required percentage for a late day lighting. That's updated on the. I just sent some scots, some stuff to respond to comments today. And so that's shown there with the wider. More day lighting going into that space. So Steve, I've not seen that yet. That's something you can present to the board. Or do you want me to fish that out of my email right now? I could present it. Okay. Well, why don't we do that? I'll promote you to a. Analysts. All right. We'll just take a moment. Okay. You do that, Scott. Are there any issues with historic preservation and the building and new windows and opening up and marching openings? There really isn't. It's all in the back and it's fairly minor. Okay. All right, Steve, you should be able to do. Screen share now. Must be working on it. We can see it. So a couple of things have been added. Check it out. Check it out. Check it out. Check it out. We could see it. We can see it. So a couple of things have been added. Check it through all these Scott or just. If it's different from what's included in the packet. Okay. I'll just throw out there, Steve, that. The plans did not show a walkway on the back on the first floor, which seems to be there in the elevations and. If it's there, it would be nice for it to be in the plan. So maybe you have that now too. We're here. But so for the civil, we've added the walkway on the north side, leading up to the. That comes in. I'll slow to respond here. Sorry about this. Oh, okay. That's the walkway. Yeah. So this driveway is just too narrow. Between the lot line in the building. All we have is. It's just enough for the driveway to come through. So it doesn't really make sense to be able to have a walkway up along the asphalt. So really our only option to get back to the sidewalk is on the north side. We're show right now we in this version we have. The 11 parking parking space is shown with the van accessible ADA spot. And there's two short term bicycle racks here. Right here. Right near the walkway. And then this is the trash enclosure. And we see this. I mean, this is a pretty steep hill right here. So we don't see conceivable for a garbage truck to drive down here and pick up anything. So this is what we see this as. Community trash with bins. And so people. Or it has to be. And then you see this. There's a lot of these things here that are brought up in the tenants to the street. So either by the haulers or a friend. And Brad, is this the walkway you were talking about on the north side? No, no. It's a work walkway attached to the back of the building. Oh, okay. Yes, I have. Let me keep going. These are the details for the walkway and the. They were asked for in the comments and for the inverted bike rack. And this walkway here from the driveway into here, or into the entrances, that's where you're referring to, Brad, correct? No, it's on one level up from that. Isn't there a walkway outside of that on the west side there? Yeah. And so we have this one, and we really don't want, it's this stair that is gonna be under cover because it's an egress for this unit on the far north side. It has egress at grade on the entry, but this is really serving and at the access where there's one unit up on the top level that has to be under cover here. I'll show you the revised elevations for that, Brad. Oh, okay. Because the elevation shows a walkway across the whole back of the building. And that is, this is the existing, what it is right now is an existing roof, existing deck all the way across. The existing roof across here. There's really no changes proposed to this elevation. On this north side, we've opted to actually, this was stopped right at this point and just to not change things, just trying to keep things as close to the historic as they were. I did just change this in the submittal today to continue this all the way across. So I should update that in the plan, Brad, which I'll do here. This roof stays across. This stair exists. We're gonna, it's the wrong rise and run. So we're gonna change this stair right here. The existing, I should comment, I'm gonna go back one for a second. All the changes to this building are really happening on the rear elevation. And this is what, this is the rear elevation now. There is that deck and there is a wall that was built below the deck and it serves as storage for legal files, or it did. And so really it's just, there's a concrete pad in here and these are just windows giving some daylight into this space. So we're looking to remove that wall and to expose the stone foundation that is under that deck. We think it's gonna look a lot better that way. This is really the new window and for the center unit that you were mentioning Brad, where we have to get this big enough for to meet our 8% daylighting for this area. We're putting a new door here in an existing opening, a new door up here to access the unit, the southernmost unit on the main floor. And we have to, and this is gonna be a bedroom here. This has to be changed into an operable window as well. These units, there's eight units. We're looking at eight condensers. So one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight condensers that are gonna be wall mounted on the back of the building. So really all the changes to this are happening on this, the westernmost elevation. In a lot of ways, we think it's a big improvement to what was there before. And I do, Scott had mentioned that we're not substantially changing the historic nature of this and this could be removed. So Steve, small detail. I see the new window on the center of the bottom and your drawing shows it as a casement, whereas what's online shows double hung. Either way, it's fine, but it needs to look like a double hung. So in these windows here, where they're showing the four lights here, three lights, three lights and one full glass over here, those are all existing. We're not changing those. You can see those modifications to the back of this or in the past, there's been some doorways that were filled in, earlier openings made, but we're trying to keep it as close to what it is currently as possible. And if I understand it correctly then, Steve, the first floor units both entered from the east side of the building on Union Street, all the other units on the upper floor and the lower floor then are accessed from the back of the building. Is that right? But if we look, I should say one, this is the first floor here, this unit. Can you see my cursor when I do that? Yeah. Okay. This is accessed from Union Street through here. Yeah. This unit right through there is accessed again from Union Street through the main entrance. Yeah. And there's one bedroom unit that's accessed from the backside right through here through those existing stairs that go up from the driveway. The upper story, this front, this unit is accessed through the front stairs, this unit through the front stairs, that's currently how it's set up right now. And then this two bedroom unit is accessed from the back through that, through the deck system. So this would be a covered entry. Trying to retain as much of the historic materials inside as well. And most of the walls that are coming down have been walls that have been added to suit to make create offices. For such a quiet, elegant street front, it's rather chaotic, isn't it? It is. Yeah. I'm curious, one other thing I'll ask you about is I work by this building all the time. It has those little, I don't know if they are four by four posts stuck in to support that porch beam. You know, it's got these elegant columns and then it's got these two posts stuck in on the porch on the street side. Yeah, those guys. Yeah, those guys. Nobody ever talked about fixing that, huh? I would love to get rid of, take those away, but I'm not sure if it's Storks. Well, Scott, we can talk to Stork about that to get it back to what it was, correct me? Yeah. But I look at a place, so. Yeah. Like a funny thing in this unit here, when you go inside to this office, there's a fireplace against this wall and it's right in front of a window. So it's just for show. Don't forget how things got there. Yeah. It's nice to see the building being maintained, I guess I would say. Are there any questions from the board for the applicant here on this? No, it's not that changed from site plan from sketch plan. So I thought they did a good thorough job at sketch plan, which helps us here. Is there any other questions from the board? Well, I have a question for Scott. Yeah. Scott, do the inclusionary issue you brought up, your staff report recommended continuation and I think in part to deal with that. So do we not need to do that? Has that dealt with in your mind? Because if we do a motion on this and we adopt staff's findings and conclusions, we'd have to note that that's different, is that right? That's correct. There is the inclusionary was outstanding in the handicap parking stop and both have been addressed. Inclusionary is moot. That can be struck. And I see in the updated site plan, the handicap space and loading areas noted. Okay. Thanks, Scott. Yep. I don't see anything else the applicant wants to add at this point. I think we're going to close the public hearing. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Okay. We have one other application here, which is for 180 Flynn Avenue for an after-the-fact tree removal. Is the applicant here, Scott? I think so. That's Chris Burke. I believe it's going to be speaking for him, yeah. All right, Chris, you can talk. Well, I'm going to, is anybody else here besides Chris to speak on this one, Scott? I'd like to speak on this application. Raise your hands. This is Chris. Chris, do you swear to tell the truth that whole truth underpain and penalty of perjury? I do. Okay. Well, I suppose if nothing else, an explanation of why this is after the fact would be helpful. Honestly, so my coworker is the one that was involved in this. He's out of town right now. So the best of my knowledge, they were cleaning up basically what was a little scrub line. There was the one elm that was there, a couple of scrub trees. And at the same time, the railroad department was there and they were concerned about some of the trees that were overhanging the tracks. And, you know, not even thinking anything about it. I guess he said, yeah, absolutely. We'll cut them out. They're on our property, but the railroad was concerned. So it just, it didn't even dawn on us that this was something that we needed to permit at all, which I understand is our fault. And then you removed the stumps, is that right? Yes. Doesn't seem like there's a lot of concern about that. At that point, you know, nobody likes to see these things after the fact. I understand. It's a pretty big property to have there, right? I mean, this is 180 flinkels. Yeah, along the railroad track, but so you've got a lot of perimeter. Correct. Hopefully next time you know. We definitely, we definitely know. So any questions for the applicant on this one? I think there's questions that people want to ask, but I don't think they don't really go anywhere. So I guess we'll probably leave it at that. Yeah, okay. Then we're going to close this application, this hearing. Thank you, Chris. Thank you. Okay. And we don't have any other business here. So it's true, right, Scott? We should have other business. Oh, for the first time. Was it for the, um... Interesting. Yeah. I had to replace the agenda for the Zoom info, and that's why that's not on there. So yeah. So Leo has volunteered to be our second ordinance committee member. So instead of doing it in July, we'll do it in February. We just need somebody to nominate in second and vote them in. Unless you change your mind, Leo. So moved. Do we have a second? Somebody needs to second it. Caitlin, thank you. Leo, you're all for this, huh? Yeah, I honestly, I'd forgotten a little bit about that, but I did it back when I was doing the DAB a bit, and so great. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. All in favor of Leo, you know, on that committee. Aye. Okay. Congratulations. And with that, we will close the review board meeting and we can deliberate on... Recording stopped. Progress. So on ZP-22-459 King Street, I move that we approve the application and adopt staff's findings and recommendations and conditions. Caitlin seconds it. Any discussion? All in favor? unanimous. Okay, thank you. Next one is 65 Scarf Avenue. Recording stopped. Thing in progress. So on ZP-21-833, which is 65 Scarf Avenue, I move that we approve the application and adopt staff's findings and conditions. Again. Caitlin, okay, good teamwork. Any other discussion? All in favor? Recording stopped. Now we got 251. On 251-253 South Union Street. Sorry, the permit number is not on the agenda. So whatever that permit number is, I move that we accept staff recommendations and approve the application. Second on that. I guess just with a point of clarification, I'll second it, but I'll clarify it. I think we're striking condition 1B in 1H. That they update the plans to reflect the deck on the back to match the elevations. But okay. It really seems like they need to update the plans to reflect what they presented to us today. Yeah. It wasn't clear from Scott that it actually had been submitted. There is an email late this afternoon. I've not looked at it yet. And they also need to correct the window on the window they're adding to be a double-hung window to have the appearance of a double-hung window. All those changes are good with me. Thank you. Thank you. All in favor? Opposed? Okay. Recording in progress. So on ZP-21-853 180 Flynn Avenue, I move that we approve the application and adopt staff findings and recommend our conditions. Second on that? Second on that. AJ, any other discussion? So what are our staffs? I can give you staff's findings. Standard conditions. That's all there is a standard conditions because it's already done, the work is completed. Right. There's nothing else they're doing. Okay. All in favor? Opposed? Okay. Recording stopped.