 Let's call the meeting to order at 4.30. Are you all ready for recording, sir? Yes. Zoe, is she online? She can't be here tonight. Okay. So we're recording. There's no obnoxious messages to remove from the screen. Is that correct? I don't see any. All right. And this is to the agenda. We have a personnel matter and I wanted to talk about the building in town that we may have to get an estimate to take down. Okay. So I want to get that. I forgot to call you about that. Personnel matter and. Your session at the end is. Building removal. Okay. Review of minutes. November 6th. Motion to accept the limits. Six pages. Oh, I see. I had this stuck in between right. Yeah. I was amazed that it came out to six pages. An hour and a half. Yeah. I would say excessively wordy. We have a motion to accept the minutes. Yes. Yes. But we don't have a second at the moment. I'll second it. Oh, but I just have one thing that I noticed. Kathleen. Your name begins with a C. Okay. Thank you. Otherwise it's spelled correctly. Yes. Any further discussion on this. So we would. The motion would be that we'll accept the minutes will change. Yep. Yep. As a. No further discussion. All of the tables. We say hi. Hi. Hi. Good to have you. May I pass. Public comment. Nada. Well, I'm here on zoom. This is Renee. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Well, I'm here on zoom. This is Renee. And I just want to let the group know that I'm here in a carpenter. I'm actually in Southern California and I. I'm here for two reasons. One having to do with the ARPA money and one having to do with the friends of the. The business. We also introduce why we're here. This is the time to do it. You guys. Okay. But you're here for the agenda item. Yeah. Yeah. So don't worry about it. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're on the agenda. Okay. Nobody else is under other business. Okay. Just grab a chair. Other business. Or you're under other business. I think so. Okay. You're not here for specific agenda item. No. Okay. So. Yeah. You want me to speak ready? Well, we'd like to know who you are. Okay. And then you can sign in on the fine sheet. And then you can sign in on the fine sheet. I was just wondering. Maybe they should give your phone names. Yeah. For the minutes. Could we. Do we get the identities of the people who are online? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Renee. I see Ben's phone. Would you care to identify yourself? You're not required to, but it's helpful for the minutes. And apparently not Eliza. Would you care to identify yourself? And the person. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. I'm just here. I'm just here to listen. Yeah. We're curious about the ARP money. Okay. You don't, you don't have to tell us why you're here. That's fine. It's just for the minutes. We'd like to get people's names. So. Would you mind giving me your last. Yep. Okay. Thank you. And then there's somebody with no name. There. I see with a blue shirt and something red in the background behind. Would you care to identify yourself? I have a suit. Carry. Okay. Okay. Very good. Thank you. Okay. Maybe you can, maybe you can take a screenshot and then there's somebody waving those face. I can't see. Oh. Yeah. The lighting and the lighting in here isn't good. This is Denise. Yeah. Okay. So I think that's everybody except Ben's phone. Okay. And then everybody else here. Is that a sign sheet going around? So everyone signed in. So Greg, you can. Say what you have to say. Okay. Under a public comment. I talked to someone earlier today and they said. Come in at this time and what I want to talk about is, is we have an issue going on in front of our house. The road. Actually dumping water underneath our foundations. And solving some problems. Major water damage. It's been going on for years, but it's gotten worse this year, especially with all the extra rain. We're looking at a horrendous amount of repair costs. And it's not going to get done to the next year. But the issue is. The highway department is. Over the years has, has made the issue much, much worse. By raising a grade on the road. When I married my wife. 1987. The road was. Even with the bottom of the house. Now. Just put the garage in. That's who is it above the old one. And I measured from the top corner of the driveway. Down to the top of the concrete. And it's 31 inches higher. That's a lot of great grade difference. And the water is not being taken away before it hits. If anybody here wants to walk down through the swamp. You can come on down anytime because the water coming in from the road is just destroying property. What road is that? Cool Hill Road. Is that one? Yes. Yeah. I think I went there years ago. Mike. When it was where? I think they rode for a minute. We had 10, maybe 10 years ago. You come down and look at Mike around. So when they put the culvert in, I believe. Yeah. I think I went down there and look right at that point. There was a little bit to the hill. The hill used to. To be kind of more of a grade up near the, the, the lanes portion of it. Yeah. And they changed the grade that is like I said, it's come up. 31 inches and approximately what I'm believing it's come up. Yeah. Over the course of 30 years. That's why the worst part of it all is, is that the road is. Is all the training down towards my house. Yeah. And it's caused a tremendous amount of damage. I mean, we're looking at a vestibular somewhere. We don't know that, but anywhere from 20 to $50,000 to fix. And then the other part of it is, I don't know if it's going to stay fixed. I really need somebody to really take this into serious consideration. I mean, I go on a letter that we put together here. I'll leave with you. Okay. It's got all the information on it about what's been going on. But I just wanted to make sure that they. What's what's actually been happening. I mean, they just were there today and they graded the road. And they put ditching in, but they put two swales in one of them is one that was put in five years ago and they didn't maintain it. Now another one put in below it. And again, if they don't maintain any of these, nothing's going to happen. I mean, the color that they put in 10 years ago was completely plugged. Well, not completely, but it had not much space in it. Okay. So you agreed about the road for several times. Okay. And he's addressing this, but again, the only other thing I have about today's work is I'd really like to have one more swale in so that it may be able to stop some of the future problems. Okay. So you'd like the road for me to come back. I would like somebody to come back and just put one more swale in there. Okay. So we found this. So I'll come up with a road for me and make a day and looking for others. Okay. Okay. And see if we can do a little bit further to help you out. Okay. I would certainly appreciate it. You need to know what the town will do. Yeah. And going forward. I mean, I was not comfortable. Okay. Yeah. With any of it because it's not been maintained. Okay. Yeah. I'm one of the road commissioners. Okay. I do have a lot of experiences. So, you know, instead of eyes on it, I'll come up with a road for me. We'll make an appointment. We'll let you know what's coming up. Okay. All right. All right. Okay. Yeah. Appreciate it. Thank you. I can get it. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. So. Next item on our agenda is discussion with CV fiber town representative. I believe he's here. Tom Fisher. You have the floor. Talk fast. You're good. Actually you got 10 minutes. So you don't have to talk to us. I guess I'm mostly here to answer questions. So I mean, I will say. We did have some questions. In the last. Since last time I was here. I don't know. Six months, 12 months. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. CV fiber is changing as an organization. Going from what it was a volunteer get together. Let's figure out some bylaws kind of organization. To now a full bloom business, three bullpen employees. We are actively move this around. There's a lot less volunteer involvement. So I have. I mean, what's reported to be by our staff and, you know, Yeah. Change. Well, you're on the town representative. So you got to have some knowledge. Probably more than we have. So I know we had some questions. Yeah, I think, I think there's any report though. I've read to a little bit more closely. It seemed like I answered most of it looks like you've hooked on a number of people. Are they getting service yet? We do have customers who are actively getting service and paying bills. Great. Dennis. I would say it is going slower than expected. The construction side. I mean, I mean, it's just, it's the construction. I mean, putting up polls, making movements of the wires on polls. Putting actual conduit or a strand up and putting up. Fiber, all of that is going full bore. We've got seven teams in the field with an eighth possibly on the way. We're just going after it. The slow side is then that last bit of going from there to somebody's house. And that's where we only have, you know, We're being told by a wastefield, Champlain telecom. They're the ones who are doing that part of it for us as well as running the business side of the house. And they said they can do roughly seven a week currently. And that pace can maybe creep up a little bit, but they're kind of constrained. So seven is not many. If we have, you know, a few hundred to do, it's going to be months before that section gets done. It's kind of where we're at right now. So we're trying to figure out ways to speed that up, but we haven't heard, I have been hearing complaints about, Hey, I signed up for this months ago. How come we don't have service yet? Yeah. I mean, the exact same boat I signed up months ago. I don't have service yet. It's just the nature of the beast right now. Very more. No, that's about it. So you mentioned 21. Um, premises and think that is that your total. That yeah, that changes almost daily. So, um, What, what would you anticipate? I would still just hop you ahead. Probably up to 30 to 40 by now, but, um, Yeah, not a ton. Currently. We have. Instruction done for up to I think 1200 premises. But that's the, what's facing us. And not all of them are going to sign up for service. It's going to take rate of like 40% or something. Okay. But that's still 400 or more that. It's going to take a while to work through. But I think we're working on solutions on that. We got to find, you know, Trampon on the team. Get more people on the field. And the collector factor. So you think you're going to have the money to finish all this. So last I heard our first round of grant money was likely going to run out in the middle of next summer, beginning next summer, right in the middle of construction season. And the next round of federal grants is unlikely to come through until the end of summer, possibly in the fall. So I think we're going to have to, we're going to have to, we're going to have to, we're going to have to, we're going to have to, there's still some back and forth, but without being speed that up. And then there's the gap in between. We don't want to have staff leave us because they won't just go home. They'll go to South Carolina and start building fiber there. Somewhere else. So we are going to have to start doing promissory notes, grants, going out to the market, try to get funding so that we can then. Yeah. Keep rolling short. Short-term laws. Yeah. So I think that's the best way to do that. I think you have to start thinking about it. Yeah. That's the best way to do it. Is most beneficial. Yeah. You qualify for any low interest loans or you got to pay microwave? There's a couple of low interest loans available. Yeah, in the state. Yeah. And yeah, we're, we're looking at a number of those, we're also looking at a few other grant opportunities, more than boilers. Yes. I was to see if there's other ways to get through this and not. Right. Very likely you're going to have to go to. Yeah. And we've got to keep going. What's the retention rate? So if the 40% are those 40% for the most part staying with, with you. I mean, they've only signed up for a few months. I know they would go too far, but report the camera today. I had a hundred percent rating on ease of signing up, 9.3 happiness rating, 8.4 reliability rating out of 10. 4.8 out of 5 for customer service rating. And how best you can spread it? Similar. And you're pretty competitive with, well, it's a year away in 10, but I can solve it better than that. Yeah, it's pretty good. Try saying it's pretty well on top of what you'll see from another major nerds out there. We are so far seeing higher than expected tier levels. So people are paying for higher little tiers than they anticipated by emerging. So if that continues as a great trend, then we would eventually reduce our rates because they don't need to make more than we'll see if you keep playing around and so forth. So if people want to know when their place is eligible for connection, can they go to a place online? cdfagard.com, we'll get you there. There is a place at the very top that you can put in your address. And if you are not yet being served, it will tell you a suggestion of when you might be or that we're coming in your area. If you are in an area that can have service, then there's a sign up for more information. And if you're in an area that can have service today, I think this is the process to get started on that. So we sometimes, I think the easiest thing is to check out the map. Somewhere halfway down the page, there's a little map feature and in there, there's a toggle where you can send me a current status and then it will change everybody's house on the entire map to some icon that indicate the app service is coming or whatever. And I see my region, what's going on. Okay. Yeah. Keep it up. All right, thank you for coming in. Yeah. I don't mean to cut you short, but we've got a full agenda and some of these things are gonna run over. All right, good luck. All right, thank you. Thank you to us a lot. Yeah, appreciate it. Gina, could I just enlist your help in keeping track of the various folks who sign in there and between the two of us, maybe we'll get most of them. Yeah, thank you. Next item on our agenda, consideration of contributions to e-spa pillar nonprofits. And we've got some people here that represent various nonprofits. Is there an order that we should consider the request or we'll just start with number one? Who is number one? I don't see any illumination in that. What's that? Let's go with the first one. Go with the first one. Who wants to be first? No, it's the Twin Valleys, right? Okay, Twin Valleys. Okay, let's go with Twin Valleys. The pile of paper. And the pile of paper. Yes. Right, Twin Valleys. I think that's Denise Wheeler. Yes, hi there. How are you all? Very well, yourself. Good, good. So thank you for your time tonight. I sent in the estimate that we received for paving the parking lot over a year ago now. And at that time, it was close to $40,000. And we all know that prices of everything have gone up. So we don't have a new estimate, but I imagine that it's gone up quite a bit. I don't, I'm sure you're all familiar where we're located on route two. And if you're not, I would encourage you to drive by or drive in and see the parking lot. We have a lot of folks that have walkers or wheelchairs or crutches to get into the building. We have built a new ramp with a covered ramp because before it wasn't covered and the ramp itself was pretty worn torn. We would like to now, we've been wanting to do this for several years to pave the parking lot so that it's more easily accessible and less dangerous for the folks coming into the building. So we are here to request, as my letter stated, $50,000 of ARPA money to be able to get this done. If you have any questions, let me know. I'll try to answer them. If I can't, I can get back to you. Okay. Questions? Sure. If we were not able to, to grant you the... Can you tell me who's talking? Oh, I'm sorry, Scott Hess. Hi, I'm Scott. I'll remember the select board. Hi. Obviously we have limited ARPA funds. If you were not, if we were not able to fully fund this $50,000 and were able to or decided to fund a portion of it, how does that fit in? Well, then that's the problem we've had. We've applied for various different grants and the amount that we need, one of the grants we would have had to pay half and we are a very small, tiny nonprofit. We don't charge a membership fee. Everybody is welcome. If you can't afford to pay for your meals on wheels, we still deliver food to you. The prices of food costs have skyrocketed as well as building costs. So we would have a really hard time coming up with, you know, half or three or a quarter or a third of what it would cost to pay the parking lot. So that's why we're here to ask for ARPA money in hopes that you folks would be able to help us out. And I have a question or something to add to what Denise said. I'm also with the board of directors for Twin Valley Senior Center. And if we were only to get part of our request, is there a time limit that we would have to use that money for the paving or could we actually hold it in an account until we could get enough money to pave what we need to do? That's a good question. Essentially the slack order in the town would make the contribution and that's it. That's it, that's our part of it and they can hold it. They can do, yeah. So you can hold it. I thought you had to use the ARPA funds by a certain date. But so if you've granted the ARPA funds to somebody, is that then out of your hands as far as having to report back to the feds about the money that was on? Yes, yes. Yeah, so I just want to get back, I just have a quick question on what Denise said. There is a grant to pay for half of it or not? No, no, we didn't end up getting the grant. Okay, so you don't have any grants? No, not for the parking lot, no. Okay, all right. Well, that answers that question. Okay, anybody have more questions for Denise or Vietteri? John? No questions? No, no, no. Do you have any idea when you'll be making your decision? Soon, soon. If you would like to come and see the parking lot, I will be there on Wednesday and could show you around our treacherous parking lot. Well, definitely keep that in mind. Okay. Just so you can film. I mean, we're in the process of over the next few months having to allocate all the upper money. Is that all the upper money fairly? We'll ask for the upper money. By the end of next year. It's really the end of next year. Right, to make decisions. We're not going to delay things a year. No, no, we're not going to delay things a year. Okay, good to know. Thank you. Yep, thank you. So let's move to the next applicant, Trails. The Trails. Trails? I can speak to the Trails. Yes, Mary. You've got my description of our project. Yeah. I don't know how many of you have visited the Mallory Brook Trail, but it goes from Johnson Road, previously went from Johnson Road to Cherry Tree Hill Road with a bridge across Mallory Brook. The bridge was built in a single digit, 2008, I think, or 2005. And by the EYCC, it was built with hemlock timbers as a truss bridge 40 feet across the bridge, the river. After 10 years, the hemlock expired, which is the expected lifetime. And the bridge, we spent some time trying to rebuild. And I came up with the decision to reroute our trail and have people just cross it by low water times and by rock hopping across the river. We've had a lot of water in the last year. And basically it's in a year like this, people were not able to cross the river. So it basically cut our our trail system. The ultimate goal is to make a circle throughout the town. Connects Montpelier over at the wrecked field down on Route 12, all the way up to Haggett Road down to Route 2 through the U-32 connects to the Crossroads Trail. We are very close to making the circle. The Mallory Brook Bridge is a dead end. And over the past few years, the newest piece that we've added to the trail system is that at the Bobble Lake Farm, we've been able to extend the trail from Cherry Tree Hill to the Bobble Lake property. It's on Carol Dixon's Rooster Howlett. They gave us permission to continue across their property, which also required a stream crossing. The bridge that we built there this fall is Steel Eye Beams, the Black Locust Decking Cedar Rails. It's a beautiful bridge. You can see a picture of anybody else wants to see what it looks like. I have one here I can hand around. And another town resident, Josh Ryan, built it with his company, contributed his labor, his machinery, the trails board paid for the materials, except for the cedar rails, which were donated by Colin Blackwell. And in building the bridge, Josh felt that and with Alan, an agreement, Alan Serrano is at the end of this road here, who has been our major trail builder this year. And their opinion was that this same design could work on the Mallory Brook. And so, you know, we scramble to get Josh out there with Alan and to find a location that would be appropriate to process. We got permission from Chris Pratt, who owns the property. There's a, you know, there's a permanent easement for public access across this property. And we feel that this is the right time to put that bridge in. Josh is willing to do it and could schedule it in next year. So we we found leading up to building that bridge, we were trying to get money from the Recreation Trails Program. We have, we put in a big effort to apply for a grant during COVID. It was 2021 grant year. There were a million grant applications. And we ranked like number nine out of the top eight that could get funding. Then there was another round of vorac money that we applied for as well. And we just couldn't compete. We had, you know, a half mile or quarter mile trail with a bridge. Many of the other projects were a fully accessible handicap access trail and walkways. Anyway, what we're finding, which I think probably the Twin Valley is finding too, that grants are very competitive. And we are a volunteer organization. Sharon is not here, but she is new to our board. Sharon. I'm on Zoom. Oh, good. You are there. Do you want to speak? Yeah, I'm sorry. I have a little person in the house and I couldn't leave. But yeah, go ahead. I can, I can speak on behalf of the statewide if that's helpful. Yes. If you'd like to more, you know, better understanding of what it's like for a volunteer organization to apply for a grant competing with organizations that have in-house grant writers. Sharon can tell you about that. Yeah, I'm happy to. I serve as the program manager for the Vermont Trails and Greenways Council, which is a statewide organization that speaks on behalf of all of the trails organizations in the state, whether they be small volunteer led ones like East Montpelier trails or bigger trail organizations like Green Mountain Club and Catamount Trail Association. So yes, I am very closely tied with the funding, not in terms of making it easy for anyone to get, but advertising and supporting funding sources and technical resources to trails organizations. And as Mary said, it's a competitive field out there. And state grants, federal grants tend to be quite onerous in terms of what's required in the application materials. So an opportunity like this is rare and wonderful and hard to get. It's not something that's available in every town without going through hours and hours and hours of applications that again are hard for a volunteer led group like East Montpelier trails to do. It's easier to find, and this isn't easy either, but it's easier to find volunteer work to do the fun stuff where you get site or donuts on a fall day to do the trail building instead of the grant writing side. So kudos to the trails for having attempted to get those grants and come so close. And thank you to the town for having this fund be one that we can apply for. Oh, yes. Okay. Yeah. And you know, as we use more than two projects that we have on our docket, but these are two that are most ready to move ahead. The second one being the replacement of the boardwalk on Sparrow farm. And that's, you know, coming up. It may happen next summer. It may take longer. But that's what we have in our sites. And that's just for materials. Yeah. Because we can use volunteer labor for that. The bridge requires. A lot more professional labor. But that's the 14 five. Yeah. And that includes. That's included. Yeah. It's, you know, we, we have some funding. So it runs over. Right. We can, we can cover if it's like 5,000 more. Yeah. We manage. So you get about 5,000 from the town. Yeah. 4,000. 4,000. Right. And you still have some of that money. We still have some. Okay. Yeah. We did spend. About 10,000. Between. The bottling bridge and other projects that we had. And that was money you saved. That was right. But you still have some money. We were hoping to get that paper with a grant. Or at least half. Yeah. But. So you saw somebody. And the tail. So we do it. Yeah. Around 4,000. We have more than that. We have more than that. We have the best or saw me money, which is. Restricted. It's in a certificate of deposit. And we're only supposed to use that for trail acquisition. Okay. But we have probably. I actually can dig out the number. I think we have. About 6,000 cash in the operating. Yeah, I'm just wondering, you know, if we give you some money. You have a question. Right. The same thing. So we give you 10,000. Can you do the bridge? Yeah, we have some extra. Right. So we're, you know, we may have to try to spread this money out. So we're trying to figure out how to spread it out in an equitable way to make these projects possible. So that's kind of my question. Yes. Yes. Yeah. If we need that, the bridge. That really, yeah, we can, we can manage the others. Right. It's a fantastic project. So it is well worthy of some fun. We just, we're talking about, we're talking about. The bridge. $9,000. Right. 14, 5. Oh, the bridge is 14 and the other 14, 5. So, but that includes. That includes. Also the. Not the. Not the. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. I'm sure you're familiar with that. Thank you. Okay. I know this is very, very well. Any more questions for Mary or. Okay. And we have contact information. So we've got questions we can ask you. And it's all your email, yours. Yep. I think we're good on that one. Great. Yeah. Thank you. Good luck. Next one's all together now. Yes. Yes. I'll come up here so I can exit to you guys. Oh, good. Sure. Janice. We've been reading by you. They did well. Yeah. I think they did well. I think it was a good voice. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm sure you know for since 2004. And the beautiful 1800 farmhouse has been. Home to long-term residents. Some of them who are here. And. It houses currently two businesses. My, our tile business and the nonprofit that's asking for this funds. And the nonprofit runs our summer camp programs. It runs seasonal celebrations that we've been hosting in Montpelier for 30 years now. I have some information I can share on that about you, about the, who we serve here in East Montpelier as well as the central community. We provide a unique arts cultural opportunity to our community. We also host at our property seasonal winter and summer solstice celebrations. I can say at least a hundred people come used to be very big, but COVID brought those numbers down. But we, we offer a lot of things for free for our community, like the solstice celebrations. And we have performances and fireworks. And it's a way to celebrate community. I want to share some statistics from our nonprofit that the good work that we do that is vital. So we're asking for funds. I do not, maybe many of you know the department of fire safety has decided to. Apply the most stringent fire codes to our building. We've been a good fight from compliance. And since 2009, and we had to have regular inspections. That changed 2019. We did our best effort to negotiate with them a timeline and what was possible for our 1800 farmhouse. I don't need to go into those details unless you'd like, but we finally came up with a plan forward. What's the code required for what we're doing now, which is affordable housing for residents. And these two businesses. The property is currently owned. But we need to. By co-housing as a condominium structure, LLC. And that the building is. Dated to the co-housing LLC. The nonprofit is one of the long-term tenants in that building. And to maintain that building and the security of the nonprofits. Activity there and the residents. We need to do upgrades. We need to improve. Do a boiler. That's $30,000. We need to do some fire. Wall separate separation in the basement. In egress windows. So those are the three projects that the fire. Fire safety are asking us to do. And they're applying pressure. To have that done sooner than later. And we're an organization that. You know, We're the workers and the organizers, like many small businesses in central Vermont. And so. Having a grant writer and administration to oversee. A larger organization. We are not. So coming to you for support is really wonderful. Let me give you some statistics. And I can email you. The. The, what I just received from my administrative assistant. So. Okay. So we host nine weeks of summer camps. And this year. We had over 120 campers attend. And those are not repeat students. Those are nine weeks of summer camps with 25 children. And. You know, each week. And so that was 120 campers. We raised $6,500 for our summer camp scholarship fund this year, which subsidized summer camp fees for low income and BIPOC, which is. You know, BIPOC campers. We also raised funds to pay our all the expenses for the. English language learner camp. It was a middle school camp that was run by Beth Miller from. Excuse me. Yeah. From planting hope. We raised enough money that all 19 of the campers could attend entirely for free and also be fed lunch. We employ three administrative staff year round. Two of us. The building. We also raised funds to pay our all the expenses for the BIPOC English language learner camp. And so that was 120 campers. We raised $ Up解 the building. Plus an additional 10 summer camp seasonal summer camp teachers. So we do employ people in our community. We are seasonal events. I saw fire this year. 2023 February, we raised $2,700. In tickets sales and donations. We've. It's a free event, Montpelier tracks at least 600, 700 people a year. We do enchanted forest and collaboration with the Montpelier parks. We do ice and fire in collaboration with Montpelier parks. And we sold over a thousand tickets in October. Now I also want to say that we, all of our programs have continued through COVID. Summer camp went on through COVID. Our seasonal celebrations altered, but we successfully offered these community events through COVID. You know, so we're committed to keeping our community intact. And we work with children and adults of all ages. Let me see what else is here to share with you. We also hold art classes and skill building workshops. This year we held a stone masonry cellar building workshop. So the fundraising this year, our general fund raised $1,500 so far. And we did start a go fund to meet a week ago for this building upgrades. And we've already received $7,000 in less than two weeks. So we have a lot of community support. I know there are some people here, maybe who want to speak on our behalf. I'm happy to take questions. Oh, thank you. So how long have you been a nonprofit? The nonprofit has been around since it was originally called kids fest. It was started by families in central Mon up on your river arts council was born out of that. I joined the board in 96. And then I basically have been a member, been a major holder of that nonprofit organizations in 96. And it's changed its name to all together now in 2019, because it matched up what the work we were doing and the name we were using so. So it's been a nonprofit for 20 odd years. Yeah, mostly a small nonprofit it was, you know, a volunteer board it's still of course a volunteer board. They hired a director for a while when I first started, you know, work, you know, having them are knowing about them. And for many years, we were volunteer staff organizing these events with and and now we've grown, as you can see, have administrative thought staff functioning website, you know, hiring teachers, expanding our programs and the building is vital to us being able to continue these programs. And to lose the building now to have it shut down in dangers for people who live there. And as I said several businesses, successful. Can I ask you, I just was wondering, I was just looking at the cost for heating for them. Yeah, how much how many square feet of heat space do you have the entire building that includes a full basement is 5100 square feet so I can't break that down for you. Yeah, and currently there's two boilers, and there's ones that smaller and newer the other ones old, and it's still functioning but doesn't meet code and my farmer has said, you know, take several thousand dollars just probably to get it up to code but really it needs to be replaced. And we will be putting in a boiler room, a firewall boiler room. So that well and without being the entire place is both having the two or three other various boilers. Well, my plumber said he's considering whether to keep two boilers. Or have just one round the whole house. We haven't made that decision, but I think it $30,000 was the estimate for was placing the boiler that needs to be replaced and saw two. What, and then you saw two. Well, we have one that needs to be replaced. Yeah, I get. So we have one that he's just the south side of the building just two rooms, the upstairs room and the downstairs room and then the bigger boiler runs everything else we also do have a few space heaters and building. Any more questions. No, I just, I just think that where the, where the fire margins are coming from is they're probably looking at you haven't looked at your building as a public building in the past. And now they are the requirements for egress is a requirement, even in new residential home development construction now so that's that's expected. I think that the boiler costs kind of expensive I mean for $30,000 that's a big boiler. So I mean that was the estimate he gave me and labor and replacement of boiler. Okay, I don't want to get into that so that I'm like, I just kind of want to understand why I'm so costly. Two years ago we told me it was going to be $25,000. I understand that part of it. They're all faced with that but yeah. I was like, okay, where are we going to find that you know and so that's why we still have the functioning on boiler. Okay, yeah, thanks. This lady here. Would I be able to speak and support them. If we keep it fairly short. I just wanted to bring to people the pension, the economic contribution that all together now has provided over the years so previously they were running a daycare there. Yeah, very successful one that my children attended. And because of that being there and also my kids go to the summer camp there for every year that it's been offered. And just as an example of kind of community economics so I went to nursing school, because I could be able to put my kids into daycare. Paul is my neighbor supported me with alone to do that so that I go to nursing people and now I work in the community looking after generations. Well, basically the elder generation in home health. So it's the, the economic spread of that organization is a lot bigger than you might think. Okay. Yeah, so I've been to a lot of the celebrations that all together now over the years and it's a wonderful community resource in many ways. And this is different than some of the other proposals that we've gotten and I'm wondering if you could help us understand the case to use public funds for a nonprofit that's a long term tenant at a place that is not owned by the nonprofit. When the funds would be going into, you know, not into something the nonprofit doesn't own. Can you tell us more about the percentage of uses of the facilities by the 10, the people who live there, the residents and the nonprofits activities and your tile business. Sure. I would say that without the building and the infrastructure these programs wouldn't exist. The nonprofit needs a location for our summer camps these locations for the workshops that we do in preparation for these celebrations, you know, I often these workshops are donation only to come build things for the events. So it's vital the building is vital to the nonprofit success and continuance. The building is currently owned by the co housing LLC so it's a corporation that's also committed to community cohabitation and building community together. It's a building that serves the community and it serves the residents and part of our, our values is about that we have that people and community can interact together so the residents living there. The residents each have the second floor is bedrooms and all residents there's an office that we share. And downstairs is been the, the, my business and no longer, you know, preschool, I'm looking at that space now as being able to expand some of our programs for the nonprofit can take will have space and opportunity to use those spaces and now for offering more workshops enrichment projects for families. So we could offer music for families or different kinds of classes which are permit allows when we got our PV permit or plan for the community art center. So that's the opportunity to offer events and classes and workshops and after school program so we can expand into the building on the second floor, the first floor so the entire first floor would be occupied by nonprofit activities, and then the basement is half, you know, the furnace room and then my play studios. Okay, thank you. And you say that the nonprofit is a long term tenant there and that's obviously a, an excellent description of the past. What sort of institutionalized commitments do you have to that tendency continuing into the future do you have contracts to that effect. Oh, well, um, yeah, I mean, they right currently now hold a five year lease and I would like, yes, I can spend extended intent to expand that for sure. Yeah, extended. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And then on the, the boiler. Is this an oil boiler. No, it's a propane a propane boiler. And they were like really know my advice to use to just get another propane burner, because we have propane hot water with the house is so large that he pumps we'd have to have two or three and still suck supplemental heat. So I talked to again our plumber about the boiler being wood chips and he said they're unreliable, and we would have to have an oil, we'd have to have a gas backup to make sure the building wouldn't freeze anyway so the most efficient thing to do is to replace it with another propane boiler. Yeah. And, you know, just to say in terms of I hear how much money I hear all these people causes, and you're here probably for that. You know, if, you know, with the crowdfunding, I mean, I think $30,000 is a good chunk that would get us that furnace, and it would show the department fire safety that we are doing solid worth the egress windows I've already put a dot cause it down. And they have a contractor willing to do that, and some. So I can, you know that we can we've got money we are just fundraised and that just after a week so I think we can get more public support financially as well. Good. Well, thank you for anticipating that question that one of us was going to ask you, and for anticipating where I was going with the boiler question because I do have questions in 2023 about putting public funds into more fossil fuel and construction. Oh, you know, you've looked at the alternative. I did and all the professionals have said, not a wise idea. Regrettably at this point, you know, are you done. I am. Okay, I think there's somebody else we need over there. I'm going to sit down. Yeah. All together now. Yeah, thank you for recognizing my digital hand. I just want to speak to. The phrase Carl used is that their situation is different from other people's situation, which I think is an important point to honor because we talk a lot about honoring diversity in the community and this is an organization that has extended itself to fill in the cracks where current social infrastructure is very weak. So in term, I think I heard Janice talk about how they raise money so that everybody can participate. They are fully inclusive in the community of all people. They, they run earth based programs, their education programs are land based, and nobody really has addressed the issues of food security and for new structural paradigms into the future. One of the programs that they have hosted. For at least a couple of years in a row pre pandemic was the village building convergence where there was a weekend of workshops. Fair experts in the field taught people in the community how to use alternative designs how to use. I'll use the phrase regenerative agricultural methods, although that term hadn't yet been coined yet. So, I just wanted to speak to what hasn't yet been addressed about the remarkable nature of the altogether now program and paradigm. The one other thing I really want to bring up. It was just me talking as a person. The founding director of the preschool Ellen Leonard was a very close family friend of mine. And as has Janice been, and her passing over the summer. If you think about probate and you think about how long it takes to settle legal issues that happen. When a seminal person passes beyond the grief and all of the feelings of personal loss and her being the primary director and teacher for the preschool when it was there. And I just feel like that should be publicly acknowledged that some of the. I'll just call it functional duress around replacing the boiler moving forward raising more money. Keeping a very vital series of social programs that have written literally I haven't seen the statistics I think Janice said she would send the data to you if you're interested but literally hundreds of families have been supported through one crisis or another. So they can go back to work so that they can retrain by the programs at all together now and I just felt like I personally needed to add that to the conversation so thank you for giving me space to do so. Thank you. I have another question. Okay, it's a practical question. We, we solicited proposals from nonprofits is getting back to that issue. Would we need to funnel the funds through all together. Now, even I don't know who would be making the purchase of the boiler I assume it's the LLC that would be purchased in the oil. As a nonprofit organization, we can gift money to something that meets our mission, which is what would you know the building meets the mission is the art center. So the, the nonprofit can can actually pay the bills, from my understanding I got to confirm that with my accountant, but we have been a fiscal agent for other projects, where, then we pay out the labor and the materials and retain a 10% for administrative responsibilities. That's my understanding. And we've done that legally in the past. So that's how I'm going to approach this. And I'll just confirm it with my accountant but as I said, that's my understanding of how the funds can be distributed as a gift. Okay. Do you have any special insights into that with your conversations with the LCT or regional planning situation. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. I mean there's conversation that the building could be co owned at some point by the nonprofit but that's true. I can't speak. Yeah. It becomes complicated. Yeah, it does become complicated. Right. And again, that particular issue is tied up with and related to the passing of the original founder and co owner of the building. It just is a transitional time for the property. And my guess is it'll take at least a couple of years to resolve the, the issues due to the that loss. We do have one more request, I believe, and we only have five minutes left. So does anybody have any more pertinent short questions for Janice and company. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for coming in. Appreciate it. So the last request that I know of is from the historical society. I have representatives to speak to this request from the historical society. I see it was signed by Sandal Keaton, who be going on. It speaks for itself clearly. Yeah, I've read it but I don't see anybody else going to speak to it or no. Okay. Pretty straightforward. Yeah, it is. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, I thought there was someone here. That's why I cut Janice off, but I didn't mean to do that. Tell us what they're asking for. I'm asking for some cabinets. 200 display cabinets to inserted steps for stage. One portable ramp for stage access. Continuous expense. It's just an estimate. This is for the four corners. Primarily, they want to be able to exhibit three dimensional objects. He's locally with all this information. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Any more questions about the historical society. Request or any more questions for anybody else that is applying for. Thank you. Thank you. You've got 30 seconds left. I just want to say my kids went all together. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. I'd like to say something. Sure. I've lived it all together now since December of 2013. And. Aside from the. Great benefit of the community. To the community. I personally. Have. Been given a place to live that's affordable. And you know, there's affordable housing. And then there's affordable housing. A lot of affordable housing is not affordable. To low income people. And. I have really appreciated that. And. I think we're. I think we're done with this. Agenda item. So to speak. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. You guys don't want to hang around. See the rest of me. Michael Pricker. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I think we're. I think we're done with this. Agenda item. So to speak. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. We don't see the rest of the me. I might go. Maybe go. With. My cell next. That would be a. Before Michel gives her. Thank you folks. Yeah. Yeah, we'll be in time. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Next item on the agenda. Discussion with friends of Winooski. First, like open road in the US route to. So. So this item. Actually, I think Carl knows more about than I do. I don't know, I don't know much. I don't know much that, but there was an email sent to you and I. Yes. That said, you would make a request or something. I thought that parcel being used for flood mitigation. No, no. We've had a discussion about other matters related to the town. No, no, I just. So I'm Michelle from the director. So that you would send the email. I did. Right. She's famous. You know, you said you were going to be gone or something. Or something, something. No. Okay. What's that? Do you want me to start it? Please. But, you know, we pretend we don't know anything. Okay. But don't pretend too much. Okay. Yeah. So. So there's a big blood this summer. Oh, there's a big club. Where was this? Around here. Yeah. They're just looking on you. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Made us real busy. Yes. Doing river work. Yeah. And one place that we got called to, to look at flood damage and response recovery. Sorry. Sorry. I'm the executive director of friends at the when you skip. Okay. Okay. Very good. Yeah. And so we got called to pair. Winslow and Karen Meister's place, which also known as the old Tafani place on the corner there. Brickhouse. Brickhouse. Yeah. And they were terribly flooded, of course. They had the river kind of trying to punch through. Instead of going around the oxbow. And you probably know that, you know, the river's really dynamic through that whole portion. And pair was interested in the idea of, and is interested in the idea of they, they have like eight or nine acres there that they've been leasing to Fairmont farms for hanging. And he would like to discontinue the hanging and let that land go into. Flood plain forest. But was also interested in potential flood plain connection there. And how do you help the river be, you know, more. In better equilibrium. And where are there opportunities for. So I went out there with an engineer and a representative from DEC and a representative from NRCS to talk about all different kinds of stuff that we might be able to do to help out on that property. So we're going to do an alternative analysis looking at opportunities there. And he's also considering CREP, CREP enrollment to recoup the lost income from discontinuing hanging and potentially a river cord or easing it there. And then I know some of the same folks, not including me, talked to Bev Levine about similar, you know, having similar conversations with Bev about her property just downstream. And that brought to our attention the V-trans property across the road from parents and parents. And we know from past conversations and current conversations that V-trans would like to unload that property. They don't want it. They have no plan score. And so the reason that I contacted you guys was to find out whether the town would have any openness to receding and owning that property. And you may have reasons to do that or not do that. But that was where that was the point at which I reached out to you guys was to start that conversation about whether the town was interested in being the owner of that property. Part of the reason that it would be beneficial for the town to be the owner of that property is because the funding that we usually use to do a lot of that kind of restoration work is state clean water funds. And we can't use those funds on V-trans property. But if the town owned the property, then we could use state clean water funds. So that was where that that interest came from. And so essentially that property in our minds was a piece of the puzzle of what could be done to make that whole section of river more resilient. So that would encompass the that the entire pond area there? This is something that I received today. Oh, from? Through Renee from the NERC. Okay. So I'm friends of Coburn pond actually. I can't take full credit for that. That's Renee speaking on Zoom. It came from our organization. Yeah, I've never seen this before. But what I can say is just that, yeah, our partner at NRCS calculated that there's an opportunity to to engage about five and a half acres there as blood plain. And the idea was to hire an engineer to do the same kind of alternative analysis, feasibility exploration that we're doing across the road, collect data, look at what it says. Is it possible to open this? The berm there is pretty really substantial. It's like old earthwork from the original quarry. And it has mature trees on it. So, you know, it's no small thing to open that up. But we would be looking at, you know, is there a point at which you can open it that the river can access and a point at which you can open it that the river can exit? And can we do that without, you know, impairing the pond? Can we in fact potentially enhance the pond in the course of the project? So these were the things that we were talking about. So that's 78 acres it says here. Yeah, the whole property is, but it's all big. But is that what the town would be owning? Yeah. Okay. We've been expecting for years to be asked about it. But we did own it at one point. Oh, no, we had the opportunity to buy it very cheaply at one point. Right. And we it is a good time for me. I want to let Michelle finish, but then I'd like to enhance the conversation because there's a lot of information missing. Well, let's let you finish. Do you like the thing? So I had a conversation with Renee, which made it clear that Friends of Covern Pond is not open to this data collection or conversation or anything happening on that parcel. And I have tons of work to do. So I don't really want to engage in a, you know, oppositional situation like that. Okay. That's where we are. Information gathering. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes, sir. I gave a reason why we would want to own. Why would we not want to own this? What is the reliability? What is the negative for us receiving at a for one penny? Yeah, to to own this. I mean, Renee, they have some comments. I do. There's a long history, you know, like you're looking into. You're not. You don't have the floor yet. Let's see. Okay. I'll wait. But but I can answer that question. Okay. Let's go. I want to finish. I don't know. So that's not an analysis that I've done. To my mind, I, I see great recreational potential on that. You know, you all have a wonderful trail network already heard from those guys. And I think that that property has a lot of a lot of potentials, but you obviously would want to talk to your attorney. Yeah, I guess we'll we'll hear your opinion a minute, but there's always two sides. I'm trying to find out why we would not the trans desire not to own it has to do with their inability to do anything with because of the activity. It wasn't a nation site. Because what they did when they redid route two is they went through some wetlands. So to do that, you have to have an offset. So they use that site as a mitigation to offset the wetlands that they went through when they just think we do. But there has that it was a reason that weekends own that. Yeah. Now, since we've talked about the price a couple of times, do we have any idea how much VTrans would want? Okay. Maybe not. The only the the information that I have from VTrans is we would like to unload it. So maybe that would be a pass history of giving property to town to the yeah. Okay, so now you have the floor Renee, a few more minutes. Thank you. So I will be as brief as I can. Some members of the select board maybe know the history. Some do not friends of Coburn pond evolved from the mitigation project that began with hearings at the town in 2005. I was brought on board by another citizens group that wanted to protect the swimming hole. And I became a party to the act to 50 that protected the swimming hole, which at that time was mentioned 24 times in the town plan. And I do want to say that that while the town was unwilling to put in any time or financial resources, the town supported the act to 50 process that protected the six acre swimming hole as a statutory party both the select board and the planning commission signed off on every legal motion that the citizens alliance that was supporting the party status for active 50. So the town has already been an active party in protecting the swimming hole. That project took four arduous years to work with the trans on the permit to protect the swimming hole. And the end result after a lot of time and money was that they were able to construct wetlands at the south end of the site. And that's what that map is about. Before I give the Florida Thomas to describe very succinctly why Friends of Coburn Pond there are two main reasons why Friends of Coburn Pond can't support any further investigation to the site. One is that anything that is done on that site will continue to compromise the water quality and the existing use of the swimming hole which is protected by act 250. The other reason is the berm is already has four places which are below the 10 year flood level. The site was designed to invite the river onto the site and then let it hold into the site and seep back down. So it already is functioning to the highest possible degree without supposedly without impairing the water quality and the ecosystems of the six acre swimming hole. In addition to swimming it's been also a very important place for fishing. And despite all the shutdowns around the pandemic and then post flood there have still been a lot of people who go and fish. So it's great to have ideas in a person's mind but for decades the site has been gone over by multiple engineers maximizing the flood water potential at the same time protecting the swimming hole. And if I seem oppositional I've apologized to Michelle because like I said it's like stirring up the hornet's nest for me of these issues because V-trans did violate the permit they excavated into the shoreline at the far south end of the pond and they created an outlet where none was. It compromises the ecosystem right around spawning season for the fish by creating an open water body that covers the entire site in the spring. It also and this is in my points it also limits the supposedly protected snowmobile use because it has turned the south end of the property into an open water body for large portions of late winter into the spring. So the only five acres that does not already flood in an extensive rain event were are protected by Act 250 as open meadow and they sit right above the entrance to the pond and to lower that would both violate the agreement that they have with the abutting neighbor to the north including the aesthetics which are protected by Act 250 and it also would compromise the water quality of the swimming hole. So this has been a really difficult issue for me because I absolutely support the baseline concepts that Friends of the Winooski and all of the other ecologically minded wetlands flood mitigation activities are going on. I would support that tremendously. So some of you know that I live in the old Coburn family farmhouse have for almost four years and I have been connected to that pond for almost 40 years now and the watershed that comes down from the Kingsbury branch it joins the Winooski River just north and east of the pond and that entire area was underwater. I can I want to work with the people like Michelle like the two folks that came out and did a walk with Bev Levine's son on the property to see what can be done to mitigate as much as possible the flooding and there are solutions that will be more effective and more impactful directly to the river right in that neighborhood. So I'd love to work on that and the final thing that I want to say is with regard to the town owning the property this would be about the fourth or fifth time that this discussion has come to the town since the 1980s. Every time it has been discussed the town has not wanted the liability of managing the recreation, the swimming, the fishing, etc. of that property and Friends of Coburn Pond which is which evolved from the initial citizens alliance that supported the Act 250 process. We were sidelined by the pandemic and then again by the flood and VTrans could just as easily transfer the ownership of the pond to us who have been managing the property throughout the pandemic and throughout the time and if you would wanted to have a whole hearing on this that would be great. I don't want to take up a lot of time but I will say that everybody in the neighborhood well nothing is perfect. We actually worked with the Friends of the Winooski this past fall and jumped on board with our group to clean up the post flood while they had called for a post flood cleanup of the river for Plainfield and so Friends of Coburn Pond jumped on board in alliance with that project and we cleaned out the brush from across the entire I mean we've been working on cleaning it up since the flood but on that day we had enough resources gathered to clean this huge amount of brush that was blocking the entrance there were I don't know what it was that was dead in there got cleaned out and you know like so we have a history of keeping the site clean of managing at least some of the social issues that come up when you have an open recreation area and so we want to be considered in this conversation we don't want to be excluded from the conversation and we think it's very important that the history be brought into the foreground rather than going over and over and over the same thing time and again okay so I don't want to interrupt you Renee or running way over I'm done okay well thank you uh you have anything else to say because we didn't mean this to be a long protracted discussion but we wondered what was going on yeah so and Gina said you would be curious you would be curious about the work in the area generally right yeah so we're working on it okay well if I can add one other thing on the other side of the river on the east side of the river are woodlands wetlands beaver territory I mean there's a lot over there and it is all protected it is all under conservation easements okay all right how to make any argument for me to say this should stay with v-trans on okay so we haven't made any decisions we just have gathered some information and so we're going to move on with everyone's permission because we are running late and we have people waiting super thank you for coming in yeah thank you for giving us the information really appreciate it let me know if you have any other questions or want updates yes yeah we we really appreciate it because I was really curious about the whole thing and you've answered a lot of questions and thank you and I think we have some information that you know we may reach out and get more okay both but thanks yep okay so the next item I'm sorry to everyone on the capital improvement committee that will hear the report so um the next item is presentation at what FY 2025 capital improvement committee plan and I believe Ed is tuning in for that he's a chair yes thank you yeah I'm here yeah and then Scott's the assistant chair no no oh he's on it oh he's on it that's right oh so is john so which one of you who's not on this committee yeah I mean I can talk about it but it's not much to talk about so that's very good yeah it's quick and easy I will keep it short so maybe you can catch up on your agenda but we proposed I was very you know for a two percent increase in even 10,000 which is just about two percent almost exactly to the budget we've added a few line items over the last couple years some of them were not funded until this one just to tweak the budget a little bit to more reality that would be technology was added we have the server and stuff that just came up and so that's now in there well some money in there the sidewalks we had to put a line item in a couple years ago but we never funded it there's some money for the sidewalks we've put in and we've increased the budget for both buildings the town garage and the town office both of those were slightly underfunded and both of them are long term we're looking to do major upgrades or replacement so by putting some money away now a prudent amount it will reduce the cost as you as you move forward and two percent is my target is two percent because that's sort of a sustainable growth rate for the budget last year we had nothing because there was other stuff going down you know we've had a lot of stuff going on for the last couple years such as floors and stuff but last year was nothing so two percent this year yeah and that's when we put the money and the rest of the budget remains the same the budget works pretty well as laid out there was certainly some adjustments that we were looking at and then we'll go you know continue tweaking it but we got the it got some like I said the technology line I think was important to put in there I think Gina agreed with that I noticed that there was nothing in there when I got involved with this years ago and personally I thought the sidewalks is it's that works a million dollar asset with nothing to cover it so putting some money towards them I was also in agreement with I think it's a reasonable adjustment and very sustainable level okay so basically when you say two percent it's about 10,000 that means exactly yeah so that means a calculator if you want the exact percentage I think it just plays 2.011 something or other you can you know but if the overall budget it's not it just means that we're going to put money into that yeah well the thing is you're putting money into it but you know the money goes in and out and you know there's other line items that we have to monitor the truck that we just bought is listed on our on our budget as $175,000 expense and the actual expense was 250 so stuff like that is always you know eye on it yeah yeah but there was circumstances about that well so we didn't change any of that but there are some circumstances and yeah if you don't if you don't change it I know like last year Scott actually voted against it for the same reason we're high inflation year it's naive to think that the cost aren't going to go up with this stuff so you need to adjust things as they go up yeah and your and your budgets on both of the buildings your capital budget replacement it's like I think a total like 5,000 a year or something I mean I replaced the chimney that cost me more than that and that was just from building it from the roof up you know it's not a lot of money to be putting into commercial buildings so I think by putting some more money in there it was it's the right move yeah oh Scott had something to say it's very conservative yeah it did a really good job John's insight was really quite notable yeah and okay thank you guys for your work on this it's a lot a lot of detail to look at I have a question about adding the server to the capital budget and that seems just intuitively like is that part of the capital budget or not maybe it is because you explain I thought could explain what I can definitely explain can I ask my question please could you explain what criteria you use in deciding whether something is worth including in the capital budget in terms of its cost or how often it comes up or whatever you use I think that I think if you read the thing it's $5,000 with useful life which is a standard practice I think the server was about 20 but you sort of have to look at technology costs as a whole because there's a server and then computers and everything so the technology the server is in there is a separate line item but I think we put the actual thousand dollars in it for technology that's not a lot that's not going to cover the technology course first question is is this a capital budget item right absolutely that's his question yes I thought it was strange we had nothing in technology when I came in and looked at it because I've been dealing with this stuff for many many years they've always had technology and you have you have costs like software you you have a software upgrade that I'm predicting is going to happen it's going to be $50,000 for the town I could be wrong but you know put money away for this stuff. So Carl they answer your question these are questions I asked when I first attended the very first committee meeting there are no clear rules I can tell you coming from a perspective of corporations and companies large investment items like your servers are absolutely part of your capital plan things like your recurring items your computers your things that are more regular daily business are not but because a server is such a significant investment typically that is something that is included on your capital plan so it was a question I asked when I got in here because I was told that this $5,000 value one I question them why a sub hub was on there for well under that and then why weren't big things like your technology you know phone systems you don't have to buy as often I would argue probably wouldn't worry about that servers are in every four-year investment that is something that should be on your capital plan because it would be a company would be depreciating it correct so therefore there's a capital that would be yes even a phone system it would be just it's just those tend to last a long time so it's not it's not as critical but I know it's it's true and that's why I asked a lot of these but we know we're gonna have to replace it because it was very confusing to me when I looked at the capital plan because there were a lot of things missing like that that were items that I knew were due for replacement that were on no radar they aren't on in an operating budget and they weren't in the capital plan it's okay because I was around when we first started it so you know we've made it work and we've all been we work on it and items get added and some get taken away but the basic concept is pretty clearly good and this is an example of what getting at yeah because it's out different set of eyes looking at it saying maybe we should have these items on there things change too because back in the day you know you might have one computer here and everybody's sharing it now you have a server and everybody has an all fairness the town did a major upgrade to the it infrastructure in 2019 right we're now at the first time when at the point that we need to now buy that new servers so you didn't have it before 2019 so there's a reason why it wasn't on any radar yeah it didn't exist yeah so now at this point that we're looking to replace it this is when it's on the radar and hey let's make a tweak to the high cost items and I want to add to that that normally what happens if you if you're not putting it in the capital you're putting in your operational operational money disappears every year goes into if you have money left over it goes into the reserve if it's if it's not if you don't have if you have shortages and sometimes people come in and rob that money and put it into another account to outbalance it out so if you don't put it in capital and your costs are going to be $50,000 or $60,000 coming you know in four or five or ten years you're not going to have money set aside for it and the whole reason for capital budget is to set aside money for costly expensive things some things last a long time some things don't but that's the way that that's the way things are changing that's what it means this right so it's always a best guess of course yes let's put it this way yeah so the money is in the bank so to speak right what does it mean we're talking tens of thousands of dollars for a server what does it mean on page three when the server is in there for $1,000 under long term reserve budget that's the yearly money that we put in this year it was there was nothing put away last year now we put it in a thousand away is it enough no but do we want to make a sustainable budget level of two percent that's the way to do it two percent again we can add two thousand to the server and the server is you know you can get rid of the line server and just put technology in because your phone systems and then all this stuff you got software and everything else is all included in there that and yes it's all capitalized and so it all goes it should be into the capital budget well looks like the phone system is in there is that not true it says electric slash phone well that whole electric thing was is a misnomer too i mean i think we're tweaking we're tweaking this budget but that was there before it's not something that we addressed we adjusted or dealt with right okay no okay anyone can clarify thank you any more question thank you ed thank you guys yeah i think we're going to move to the next item we're running pretty late uh we don't we don't vote on this this gets put into the budget and we vote on yeah we vote on yeah yeah any one part of our painstaking mini month long process of constructing the budget for the voters to approve them good thank you march okay so the next agenda item i'm going to keep moving on here is the town treasury report october 31st 2023 monthly financial reporting package i have a quick quick question how is the tax collection was it was it went smoothly the was there was there a lot of oh yeah does it look like a lot of people didn't pay just off the top of your head or i haven't knocked on the other one's going to let me as a result of the letters that were sent no no we just the taxes that were just the other day i wonder whether there's any sort of idea of whether right how the taxes are coming in yeah or how they came in and now they're just curious on whether whether it was whether it was a normal or whether it looks like there might be it's a little really usually to be okay i don't know that but that's okay so that's okay hopefully i'll remember next year that's the same question next month maybe might have an answer yes uh so are there any red flags in the account no kind of vanilla you're getting to have an album yeah this this is not chunky bothy uh okay yep and pressure is happy to look at what reports are provided to you and what you would like to see this is the same package you've gotten yeah i don't know how long but it's good i mean i wanted to revisit the data that was provided she's happy to do that how are your heroes it's my stand my standing condom put that my standing condom let's buy more t-bills and see these well that's a good to me yeah we could move to the next item that no one's got any questions sure okay um some time treasury worked on the custom request to discontinue right away and parcel and that's zero to four point zero zero zero so we got some information for our attorney attorney yeah so a bit more succinct than yes we had gotten from vlc yeah who would review the town records that sounds like step one is that something attorney would do good question i don't know what i think what they're what i my opinion on this would be reviewing the town record to determine all persons entitled to notice it'd be any butters to that property that would have a right of way yeah their property going into that road or yeah and that's what they want to find out that's pretty easy to do just to look at the back but yeah you can pull up a list of butters yeah before we start the process select board will pass a motion to initiate the process to discontinue the town to highlight set a time and date for examine the premises and hearing the person's interest so that's the first thing that we would have to do is to start the process um well i think number one is probably the first thing and uh i'm not sure i heard an answer john to assess question about who would do the review of the the records well you can have your turn to have it doesn't evolve going and looking at town records and having like a title search or anything like that you look for a list of people the butters well it includes mortgages lead holders holders of what the states is what he says i know i know i i understand it sounds like more than just looking at a map property some attorneys do that they go and they look at notify all the banks and everything but not all attorneys do that they call this a town highway what it's treated as yeah it isn't the highway it's a trail and that's the legal highway yeah because a 10 mile travel with attend me a 10 foot travel with it's in the right right away it maintains the same right away as a road okay so a mortgagee would be someone that had a mortgage on the property of a buddy or that the land they would legal went across that thing like if somebody wants some some money and the person a little money has some stake in the client yeah right but that would be a mortgagee on the property that the trail passed through or the books or the books so i guess banter and looking at design let's just say you know to make sure you cross all your teeth and dot all your eyes and have your time to do it mm-hmm yeah but okay if you want i guess we don't need a motion i guess we would need a motion to do that if you want to have the attorney do it yeah so i'd say so too so that'd be step number one yeah because we have the attorney we don't staff do that no so we'd have to have the attorney review the town records yeah and establish and apply this criteria to the search and this is what you find out from law you know from that review you find out um who has an interest in this road who might there might be some people out there say no we want to keep it as a as a trail because it allows us to have access to our camp or our land or or it makes a little property more valuable because once you do away with the right away anything is connected to that specifically connected to that right away um won't have a right away anywhere you can't landlock land it from on either it's good it's it gets a lot at this point for anybody to take a road away so the roads so the parks would become landlock um so there might be some i doubt there is but there might be some i don't think there is a situation there yeah i doubt i don't believe there is i mean my touch on that right away i mean i have a point i probably touched a lot so anyway so i guess the first thing we would know is need is a motion to have the town attorney um review the town records well i'll make a motion and we authorize a town attorney um would that be jim barlow yeah yeah to um to review the town records to determine all persons and buyers to the right way that was which is a legal trail at this point um that was known as willow road yeah so i'm uncomfortable having a determination about its legal status included in the motion i didn't say that i don't think it's necessary i didn't say it i just said well it is a legal trail well i don't i don't think we know that uh so it's on the state highway maps it's a it's a right away and is it class four highways a legal trail i don't yeah do we know that we can just say the town right away well when when it's as as called we'll go and and not i'm just going to say this one time when you look at the state highway map it's created by v trans um and v trans was one of the driving ending or first discovering all these ancient roads yeah and then v trans brought it to an end when they tell you your road is a class three road a class one road a class two road or legal trail that determination is made and you get funding and you don't get funding based on that so from my looking at that map from v trans which is the the latest maps they produce it's a legal trail but if you want to go further ask the attorney to check into it if you're involved with the legal trail i know it's a legal trail right so they go it's actually an email okay and i think one says i'm done ten years okay so what are you doing so you have them i think i do i think you do so uh i have the recording and okay yeah so but actually before we vote on it to begin to hear it again let's hear it one more time yeah to give up ask the attorney to look into the town records to determine the borders and etc that's yes yes so those who have an interest do they have an interest in the lands yeah in discontinuing the legal trail no i don't know we we just want them to we just want the the the attorney to review town records to to determine all the butters and anyone else who has a who has an interest in in the legal trail problem why don't we use his language to determine all the persons entitled to notice of the discontinued hearing in the site yeah perfect okay we don't we're not making a decision here no we are making a decision to have the town attorney looking right but not okay so we have a motion do we have a second we have a second is there is a further discussion yeah yeah um i i'll just continue what my theme from last time which is this is a request from a property owner for a favor from the town basically and i'm a little uncomfortable that we're just going ahead and spending town funds on an attorney doing this uh but you know i heard you guys say last time that you want to do it that way and and i'll go along with it but i'm and and um i just want to register i'm a little uncomfortable with it and i want to just add to it too it is funny when i'm the town manager i was um i hated the thought of giving up any of our rights away as a town because for the most part they're they're an asset but they can be a liability too and and then i just want to say that um many times why these roles become legal trails is because their costs exceed their value um so um and in this case i'm kind of torn between saying let's keep it and let's get rid of it the only other thing i want to say about keeping it is what's happened in the past in my experience is when you have a legal trail and the town has no responsibility to maintain that trail but you do have hydraulic issues which i don't know if that's been ironed out or not but it's it's a legal trail you have transition of staff you know you hire new zoning administrators you get new people on board they sometimes do not see the fact that you can't allow people to build in those areas because um on a legal trail because they build on a legal trail and they started driving on it they actually know what they're doing telling us that we have to fix it and that's exactly what happened in ivory the buckle mountain trail was a legal trail for a reason and then people started building on it and then they got three camps there and they seem to get to the house up there and now everybody wants to go maintain but the town doesn't want to do it it's a it's a thorn in your side forever after that so there are a lot of abilities there are issues surrounding that sort of thing with keeping it and we're doing away with it but the town only has the responsibility for hydraulic issues on a fast-forward in the trail but they do not have responsibility to maintain it i know that and yeah right they hydraulics and bridges and culverts yeah just hydro but not for a legal trail so when you're talking about the problems with people building on it you're talking about people building along it and using it as the right of way rather than because i was also thinking in this place where it just goes right through a piece of property i mean someone could conceivably build on it put a house on top of it yeah but i don't think they can well they can't the zoning perspective i know of a legal trail and not for a road that's been used but i don't think it was legal but once the zoning administrator makes that decision it builds a house here yeah and unless you're really aware of it yeah and if the house is built it's over with you can't go back yeah and yeah i know that happened on bubble mountain trails yeah there's three places there yeah well i can think of a class 4 road in town actually that has houses on but class 4 road you can do that yeah but the town has never been consulted on this particular road as far as the hydraulic issues go culverts have been put in this have been put in but you know it's not no one oversees the legality of that process right i guess they didn't have it but no we did after we're just too late yeah uncalled but you didn't have to maintain it all you had to do was take care of the client you know but you have people come into your meetings every three or four months yelling screaming be the roads of mass well and they think that we're gonna yeah we were gonna address all this you can't but i just don't want you guys to get into a situation where you may sometime down the road maybe ask to maintain that right that road if you keep it if you get rid of it then you make somebody's going to come along maybe some time same luck we wish that was a trail yeah well that's our point i think the the attorney's costs have been fairly minimal so far is that accurate we had one head up last time that even though yeah i don't disagree with carl's point yeah we're doing a we're doing a good thing for the citizens it's not cool i think we're doing it for everybody i think we're doing it for the butters we're doing for people have interest in the property okay and we're either going to take it off the list did not have to maintain it at all i mean we don't have to maintain it now but we don't have to take liability for it or else we decide to keep it it says that's what the benefit is just so we can shovel it isn't the town's interest that we got our eyes across our teeth it is a lot of it from my experience with this particular spot it's a lot uh and not it doesn't look like an asset to me but you can we can go look at it and you can see yeah yeah i'm just i'm just going to click both sides no no i and i'm just yeah yeah whatever okay so we have a motion we have a second we have had discussion all those in favor they say hi hi hi yeah i throw out your eye i do have yeah okay i wanted to say that i was uncomfortable with it but i went along last time as well so the next thing we have is consideration of engineering firms oh yeah yeah and so you have documents provided from two rather large firms um local firms the way that can go up i think a lot larger than the wall yeah but yeah um the prices are similar yeah they're very similar which is kind of what you would expect um like gas prices they they know everybody's prices right you know i mean i think both guthrie and i heard positive about both of these yeah both of these firms so i think the question is what what does the select board want to do next steps do you want me to invite these firms here for you to maybe meet with them do based on your previous knowledge of them is there one in particular that i think you're going to work with the wolf on the fire station for some issues i think it was the wolf the office is right down here and very a lot better and in like that was a good fit at that point well and then the and the person one of the owners was live in a palace yeah he was right and the first i worked with now was one of the people that was at saganism today joel well i think he was working for them the boy and king their office is in south burlington but i haven't worked with them in a while i don't know who their engineers are but they they employ people who live far away from south burlington they may have someone who i think they're ran off too okay i think that's where they started out we ran off they're both in the charge for a while anyway but yeah that's right how about the the town network what are the possibilities of check it out with fellow town administrators seeing what experience they've had with these two companies i mean i don't personally know a lot of town administrators um vlct i mean there there are listservs i know guthrie a neighboring town has been working with the wolf and they've recently engineered some projects for them so he had actually asked me if they had submitted because he had heard some really good things about them so i mean i think if we find out i think reaching out we're just going to find out that both of these are probably pretty solid yeah i would expect so i think that's my past experience but i don't have recent past experience to find out i don't think so i mean i think you just i think the wolf is quite accessible very local we've worked with him before i kind of lean that way myself and yeah guthrie just happened to get some again some feedback from two projects they very recently engineered yeah i forget which to close or something with the same yeah right i just what what sort of so we don't need anybody at the moment we'll we'll up on that we tech we have projects for femo we need to get started sander circle v1 right um sander circles the least complicated sodom pond has potential historic implications so i'm trying to get from femo right now i mean with femo on wednesday but um how we can't start designing anything until we know the historical implication of that stone culvert so we don't know whether that culvert needs to stay and we have to engineer something around it so um but sander circles definitely the first one yeah now who would we get for the hydroxide is that something they do or the state's gonna do or they would be able to do they would do it yeah because i know that has to happen yes it does so i'd say we just fill in the work myself what sort of commitment are are we making we say s to either of these is it's just a case by case basis yeah that's that's how we drafted a contract of chase and chase it was basically on a project project project project okay so we're just the waters yeah yeah well yeah yeah yeah because again as you all know in past you all picked up the phone and called Doug Newton yeah when you needed engineering true right now we don't have anyone that we can pick up the phone and call yeah so we have contacts at the state of course but you know they're stretched then they can't necessarily do what Doug was doing the state may have given Doug or agreed upon certain parameters and then Doug was the one that designed your culvers created the drawings engineered everything we don't currently have that now for some of these projects and i need to check this with FEMA i'm not sure if we will need to specifically RFP i know we will need to RFP the construction of that the engineering usually you don't have to go that route okay because a lot of towns have an engineer that they're kind of working with but yeah around when you build your 10 garage we know because it says hard with 10 garage that they work on were you involved in that all um just on some of their industrial warehouse the day was a day on the day the town garage in my mind all the town garage that we built was built by Lodge and asked and it wasn't it wasn't engineered by anything by any no no i don't know they said that they designed and had construction oversight of the cast in place concrete foundations of the garage um so they must have did it through Lodge and asked okay okay yeah that's they didn't i did everything through Lodge and asked a lot Lodge and asked was a gc so they probably handled them as a contractor so they did that and that's who's that was that the voice of king that was the wall yeah okay yeah i i have experience with with with the voice of king too but i just don't want i don't need to talk about publicly so they're a big company though one thing that and i'm not sure if the wolf handles um the geotechnical work or not but i do i did see which is nice that we looked in at uh do boys and king they do geotechnical work and we're going to need that for town garage yeah so we're okay already so we could hire them or we could hire the wolf depending on what their their their uh abilities are does do that but i'm not positive no we should have that that's what we should let me know that someone does do that just for those people who are listening who might not know what geotechnical work is could you please explain well it's it with the um like where we want to do the garage part of that is on um anecdotal anecdotally there it's on it's on um ledge but there's other parts of the garage they're on fill so what they want to do is they want it they'll drill down they'll check the soils down to a certain depth based on how heavy the building's expected to be and they'll try to find some bedrock or something to attach the building to so they need to do that well they're checking the density of the soil and if it will you know be able to not not settle or etc etc okay i was just asking for a friend yeah okay so so i know that um uh that's easy i can't remember who did it was it two boys yeah no yeah one yeah they did that over at the fire station drill down so so anyway for the ongoing projects we need to pick somebody right now like the culverts and things like that it's sort of better no i mean it's fine it's just do it we'll we'll support it we'll support it delay no there isn't any point i'm just wondering would you just make a motion i don't think we need to i think we can do this by consensus is that yeah i would be fine with hiring either one of these companies i would do and i would just say you know if they have an expertise we need to use for a few of them yeah yeah what did you say if they have an expertise we need to use just use them we'll use that company that has a particular expertise so are you suggesting that we punt the decision to somewhat to jenna to decide who to pick up on the phone and call at any time is that all right jenna you got two companies using call it makes it would make my life a lot simpler i that's fine with me and it's i mean i would clearly work with guthrie on it that would be a joint effort between guthrie and i certainly and they've got i know do boys and kings has extensive past experiences working with water and wastewater and everything else i mean that's what i'll start it from i think one of the criteria is kind of the availability you know if we're around and we need to get a job done we need to reach out to both hey when can you do this you know you don't want if they can do it if we can get to hire the hell yeah you're right that's like six months right yeah that's fine and both these companies are a lot bigger than basic chase yeah yeah okay okay sounds good to me perfect um preliminary discussion on 2024 town meeting warning just kind of a draft of the warnings for your review it's like yeah it's last year we're going to we're going to see this every meeting yeah between now and the end of january so you're going to start we don't have any problems with it yeah like so as we start getting answers to these questions like when we start meeting with organizations when we end that the numbers will get filled in the budget's number i last year at least left blank until you approve that number but you will be meeting like the next meeting one organization because they can't come to the following meeting that's on here for a voted article we'll be coming and addressing the select board so who knows you bring up so the next select would be pretty important they're starting to talk about budget no i'm asking you i'm gonna be in california oh but i'll be my daughter i mean i could i could be remote it's december fourth right yeah uh oh no it's the one after that oh we'll talk about next we'll talk about next okay d18 you're saying you won't be yes i'll be in california but i can i can call in i just was curious yeah so that one will have the majority of the organizations that will be for the voted articles the only reason one organization is coming next meeting is because they could not come to that one but we don't do the final vote in the town we need to change it right okay we'll we'll talk about next yeah okay i can be on the couple of okay sounds good that's all right that's um so uh oh yeah the warning is there this is to carl's point this is your first year with it yeah so you're gonna see it again next meeting specific in there really no no there's not okay so i'm gonna move to the next one just so clarification um there's like article nine 10 11 they have x dollar yeah shouldn't shouldn't all the dollar and also be xed out at this point have we made any decisions so i've received and some no you haven't made any decisions yet okay if i had the information on what they've submitted then i put it in here so in some cases i haven't gotten all of that yet okay so that's what i was plits all placeholders at this point got it so the core courier school house association just yeah them yeah already is requested 45 well there's this kind of the same every year yeah they don't they don't usually make a formal request though okay okay or at least they told me they that's the way it's okay so the next item is preliminary discussion on f y 2025 subject development so really this is just do you have anything specific you want me to think about look at i've started the file but until i have time to actually sit with the road foreman sit with town clerk i did not want to bring numbers yet i've calculated staffing costs but i have not double checked myself yet so i did not want to bring that to you yet so if there's anything specific you have any guidance you want to give me that's what this is on here for tonight do the same thing you did last year that's what i'm working yeah yeah it worked out all right right okay you will see a draft next this point i mean maybe some questions as you move along you know oh yeah of course yeah yeah once you start actually yeah right data is trickling in now yeah i got the you technically got it but i the regional planning for example i got their number so all these types of things are coming in right now right here's your here's your budget number from the lct yes yeah yeah so right i can't figure anything too yeah not until we see the more figures okay okay um 845 appointment emergency planning committee jennifer zoner so it's actually only jennifer zoner i misunderstood that the energy committee was ready to appoint someone they were only asking the question of if they could so they're not ready yet okay to do that but the emergency planning committee does have a new member that would like to join okay do we have any documentation from now we all believe she started attending the meetings and okay asked to be an official member of the committee that's many is the meeting i think the motion to appoint from the emergency planning committee member jennifer zoner second any further discussion all of the paper please say hi hi okay so what she wanted to deliberate but i told you so we've got warrants we've also got a personnel matter i want to talk about the building removal down on route two we could fit that in right now so shouldn't we start looking into doing that i think we could use our money for that what was it the building on route two that um the house was living in because that's kind of a mass kind of should be cleaned up can you provide some guidance on who to contact well you have to call the statement you got to get the asbestos thing cleared up first you have to have that they have an assessment you have to have an assessment made they have a list of people that do that yeah environmental agency well it's just a phone call i think that i don't know what the agency is but i know they have to come in and do a higher contract yeah was the building being mediated or the building would be taken down but then you have to get an estimate for that but you can't do anything to get the asbestos thing question cleared up the committee sample yep so i don't know who the what is the time frame that you're looking at for this i don't know you know it's something we can use our money for so we should think about fitting it into everything that's why i'm asking why you wait till after budget development or okay but i'll not know the only thing i was thinking of was calling whoever we had to call and get the assessment going for the asbestos because i know he had to be there first so that's all okay yeah permanent health will have that list well i would like that building dealt with sooner versus later because when we speak about liability i know right that's why i'm bringing it up yeah so the first step is to get the asbestos assessment so the department of health all right yeah i'll look at that that's all i have to say on that so what it is speaking liability what is the the state of the building in terms of potential access to it i have never been inside of locked up quite as a drum i don't know how i've got three left it but i do know there's a vehicle there some of his stuff still there i think it looked like or is that stuff not to rush to move some of that stuff okay looks like someone's there okay so to me it mitigates okay both the doors are locked yeah so you want to leave that stuff there well it looks i told him it's not the worst thing that people driving by may think yeah someone is there okay and then what's the decision well we have to make that decision doesn't allow access to the property out back yeah well there was access out back but the right away was never really cleared up there was a lot of different parcels all there together and there is a access to the cemetery back there but we didn't really be sure who's and it was so the opportunity came up to buy it plus v-tran needed a right away for the culvert that was put across there and a bunch of stuff they need to be signed off the people wouldn't do it blah blah blah so now that's how long is it so now we could do uh you know a small town list building there to keep their cabot in or the piece of the chamber used to sidewalks there is discussion in the fire station for putting an addition on there so maybe we could store our stuff over there blah blah blah so okay yeah yeah but it needs to be cleared up right yeah we go out yes but you think the house is a tear down yes yeah yeah yeah i mean yeah yeah i mean what bruce wanted to do was put a house habitat humanity on the project there which was actually a pretty good idea but then i heard that wasn't on the table anymore so i don't really know we can look into something like that but if we build anything there do we lose the right away no i mean you could craft it so we still have the right away and clear out the right away issues yeah yeah so it's actually two lots because the old town uh hall was there on the fire site and then there was a house lot but see the house people they tried to claim that lot next to it under adverse possession yeah they took adverse possession of the town anyway well they they started to try they took the town to court and you know and that got thrown out and so that was good but then now we own it so we actually own the two lots there yeah yeah shouldn't even go to court the state you can't adverse state property can't adverse like that's not proper that never really came up it's like they couldn't really prove that um you know because you have to prove that we neglected it and they were we let them gain it yeah that's they couldn't prove that yeah but anyway they did do it i mean well i can do it we've got a way to do anybody can do anybody doesn't mean it's going to go anywhere so anyway that was all i wanted to say on that on that i don't count that was like a half an hour you're too long in the agony sir i mean so i was laughing about it okay should i take a nap to you uh okay what's the next we have the ones um and we're going to do the personnel matter at the end yeah okay i think the warren said you have some payroll stuff there to sign and then there's also it's a policy that you approved a few meetings ago when the rec board came it's a cash receipt policy all right we forgot to sign that okay that night so that's there that's there you can circulate with the warren to get fined as well yeah well it's that john people there i just don't want to forget that somebody has effective advertising i'm just looking at the line item for aflac and thinking about a duck here and now i'm hearing yeah and for the ta reports uh there were no permit applications since your last meeting um and then just to update those that did not attend the site visit this morning at the town garage but we had eight firms that's awesome show up really to yeah it was crazy the tour of the site cool i thought we were gonna have anybody yeah but then i went outside there's a lot of people out there no he's oh i know i mean too soon here yeah i said don't worry about it don't only shows up we'll do it again you had that's a word it was uh i knew what i was gonna have no it was really good wow it was great it's really it was really good and there were really good people there and asked really good question thing it was way better than i thought it'll be cheaper than we know no until the 22nd to get questions to us and then we haven't now we're talking to all the patients and people who are we can trust if we can really get done we go over that more than right the line of course and bills eventually yes yeah that was just good design put it on a shelf you good did you sign for it no you signed it i didn't either i think you should save that pen and like um set the sign all the documents for that that's fine i know it was when i go for the payroll at the week the other week it's one of those that you know if you didn't want your pen stolen you'd have your set yeah okay that envelope yeah i can see it it has my name in them like that looks like it's mine okay so there you go i signed those i've been here all day okay you've been here all day a long day no i was at the town grove so this this can go down 30 days yeah thank you okay that's fine that's good is this the sign no you don't have to sign that no okay i just see my policy um so the town administrator report you need a pen done we're all done with it okay no i'm good that it's pen oh actually i'll take it back because i have to give that back to michelle so it can be for next payroll yes so she'll ask me where's my phone um so i guess we're just going to do the personnel now i move to enter executive session to discuss the personnel matter at 846 second all in favor please say out i i i dare to have or they do have we are exiting the executive session at 907 and no decisions remain and no decision for me mr has i would like to make a motion to compensate offer compensation i would offer compensation to note takers of the drb the planet commission or the select board and or the select board we're working on it can you tell us when you can hear us please deb i just heard you curl okay great okay i'm making a motion um to offer compensation to the minute takers offer compensation to the minute takers of the drb um planning commission or select board uh for the minute takers that's my motion of those three boards of those three boards yes anything else can can you be more specific about the amount of compensation when you make a motion like that because as an auditor i'm supposed to read all the select board minutes and money matters that you vote on our numbers i'm supposed to check against what's actually happening and i don't know what the number is at the going rate which is what it was either 21 an hour it's we have a rate in the budget yeah yeah at the budget rate yeah at the budget yeah we'll we'll get we'll get to those but whatever she's the honor she knows what the budget is what the the previous note taker um it would be her compensation minute taker minute taker all right deb's does that satisfy your question it does satisfy if i went back and mind the minutes from when you set the compensation ended somewhere in the minutes then that would satisfy me yeah i'm trying to rely on the minutes for a lot of this information and sometimes i find that there's just references to things that are vague like that or it'll say you know jean will get you to present jean you'll be able to or michelle will get you the exact number yeah okay thank you thank you well also are you guys planning to vote on articles that are going into that drafts warning as you go because i can build the town report you know as you go but i mean for example the funding request committee all those numbers were filled in have you actually accepted those numbers yet no no okay this is a very rough draft do i make a motion all right for oh wait compensation for you made the motions i made the motion do we have a second thank you second second any further discussion all those in favor please say aye all right all right do you say i'm recusing oh that's right motion the eyes to have it most of the most of the adjourn do we have a second i'll second that all those in favor please say aye all right