 We are very good Monday morning. My name is Dereva Hillary. It's now time for politics. We speak about what is happening, the eight stimulus point given by the president on Saturday and what is happening in our houses. We are calling it the house of cards because everyone now is holding their cards close to their chest. You don't know where the vote will fall to or to who they will be favouring. Let's put things into perspective. We'll be looking into these particular economic stimulus points what the president gave, how they will help right now during the COVID-19 and even post COVID-19 and of course we will now delve deeper into politics. Now who is being hosted next, if there is and what happens to the other people who is supporting who and what happens, keep it why in the morning my name is Dereva Hillary. I'm speaking to Sarah Selytis, a political analyst and health economist which is Kayo. Thank you and welcome to the broadcast. Good morning lady and gentlemen. Good morning. It's 73 days now of washing our hands. Quarantine or isolation or whatever it may be sanitizing, keeping social distance. We've missed hugs. I don't know whether anyone is like me. I miss them. I want to begin right from you Beatrice. Tell me how your past one week has been. I think it's now becoming normal because we've gotten used to it. In Kenyans we are known for adaptability but in the real sense I think we are going from worse because the more the cases are increasing it seems the lockdown, it seems it's not actually even actually working and to some maybe a skeptic in a way. Maybe the lockdown was not the way to go in the initial stage because it seems it's not really assisting in one way or another so I think it's a high time we opened up our economy and we hope that things will go back to normal. Silence. How was your week then? I don't see anything I can complain about but I can say that actions speak louder than words to some extent. When I was just coming on me, just thinking loud, when we see how people are relating and we talk of the pandemic that is there the Covid-19 or the coronavirus as we may call it when Tanzania says let's just go back to our normal business, do our normal business, do our own things let us not have fear, let us continue. You see it has already accepted to live the disease but for us we give measures on how to live, on how to stay but when we go to the ground, let me tell you the truth. We're totally different. People are just relating normally. Business is just going on as usual but you see what we speak is not what we do but when you go to Tanzania, they are speaking what they are doing so we are pretending to be taking questions, noble questions yet you are not. I don't know but anyway this is Kenya and being Kenya is our business. That's a slogan for someone I know from someone in Moranga. We've been told of dealing, if we treat this condition normally to treat us abnormally so we are now getting used to... I keep on asking a question. Who is this person we seek? Unless I visit the hospital. And if you go there you'll be quarantined so we'll have a list of you I've heard someone who told me they were in quarantine and I was like okay so are you okay? And he was like ya I'm fine but anyway he was just too good. Anyway let's get to business. On Saturday the president spoke to the nation and he mentioned a number of things and what now was a clam of everything is the eight point stimulus. There was a project that people have been talking about Kazimtani and we are like the youth again. We remember with the NYS the project that came so many programs have come others they have been fought politically and they are dead we no longer hear about them we don't know what will happen so this is a project that is coming up money has been dispatched on has been allocated but what will happen but the first agenda was first element of this eight point was the infrastructure and just like before we began the broadcast I was reminding you batteries last time we talked about food security and one of the problem that we having in supply or distribution of food is because our roads are not good a farmer will plant but they will not have this transportation system now the infrastructure is coming along roads have been being built over time but we still have a problem now how will these help at this particular time? Alright infrastructure has always been an issue for a very long time but at this point it has been a bit I looked at it critically it seems that we always do patching up of things so a food bridge breaks down is destroyed with patches then another place is a section of a road that is destroyed with patches every time we are like it's like kweka go biraka instead of buying a whole new clothes so we don't sit down and plan and say where do we really need food bridges because some of these places that require food bridges have never had food bridges for a very long time it's those shaky ones the communities have created and now the guy is thinking okay let's now create some food bridges we need serious people sitting down and planning we have the civil engineers on board we sit down and strategize and say where do we need roads where do we need food bridges how do we control the floods every time there is a flood we will be patching up bridges and patching up roads every year so I think there is poor planning on the side of the government there is just poor planning because floods have been here with us before rains have been here with us before once over time we don't sit down and say this road will always be a flood this is a seasonal river no bridges have been created so when now floods arise now we are in a crisis we are always in a crisis we are always reactionary I think it's still a good thing they are going to do that but it's not a solution it's not a solution it's just like we still have an underlying problem that needs to eventually be solved but now we are just all the government is just doing that reactionally and putting up but tomorrow it's going to burst again so that's a feel for me from an economist point of he's a waste of resources over time because you're always just patching up it's like going to the doctor and you know you have a condition but all you do is just patch but you're not dealing with the root problem you're not dealing with the root cause so eventually it's going to be very was and very costly in the long run because you're only just patching up here patching up here and then eventually maybe like for example you have dental carries in your mouth so if you don't stop the sweet things what will happen eventually you will lose the hold to the venture and it will be more expensive for you replacing it with a cosmetic tooth it's more damn expensive than your original tooth so I think that's what the government is trying to do right now and I think it's not the right way to do I wish they can sit down and do things good and for all good and for all that foot bridge now get the experts on board and do the correct thing it will be costly in the beginning but in the long run it's actually a cheaper way out that's true now Sairaz this idea of infrastructure coming along many people have been or some people have been feeling now it's time now the government is now opening up the cessation and the lockdown that has been mentioned now people will be allowed to move but even still the infrastructure especially on roads that we have been crying for do you think the many organizations that are there or these bodies of dealing with our roads are parallel to the program that could have been done by one do we waste resources on these particular agencies or the offices that we have there is Ken Hathes Kura and many others do you think maybe we need to deal with only one system fine decentralization of work is one of the best things we can talk about so I cannot say having Kura having Kera and having these other things is a bad thing is a good idea because we have rural roads we have urban roads we have highways and we have these other roads so a different sector to hold a different responsibility but if you put if you centralize them then it becomes a problem in one distribution of resources two identifying the problem where it is and then you come and solve it but when now you decentralize it it becomes easy in the urban area this road needs to be maintained this road needs to be upgraded this road needs to be done in the rural area this is what is supposed to be done decentralization is good the problem comes to implementation we have good policies we have good policy makers this country has good reports which are always filed somewhere they never review them so the problem is implementation the people we trust with implementation now become our enemies they ensure that we don't get whatever we are supposed to get we always give a place to kibaki why? implemented whatever he said is going to do one he talked of free education he ensured his free education and ensured their classrooms to that he talked of good roads and ensured the roads are there he talked of good health he ensured good health is there for the people whereby when he gave the minister of health you saw what Charity Ngilu did to the minister of health now everybody could now get these health services now when we talk of the leadership let me talk of the current leadership they have not delivered whatever they say they deliver they talked of free laptops to pupils as much as it was politicized when you are a politician and you are talking as a politician expect politicization of things at the end of the day because someone else will come and oppose your idea the thing is you stand and implement what you said you are going to do you don't sit back and look at how people are talking about you now you go ahead and do or implement it to the people you promise that you are going to to give them because whoever politicizing the issue and you are the same people in the same table you sit and do the same things now when we talk of free education we've had issues with the school fees we've had issues with even the infrastructure in schooling they have talked of that every student or every people regardless of the max you get will join a secondary school we've seen a problem where for months other people are lacking where to go to school why? there are no infrastructures there are no schools so this is a big problem that a government should sit down and work on and we cannot say that we don't have policies we have policies but priority they don't prioritize the programs that they have for the people so if we have good people who will be there to implement these things then we are good to work now what we lack is we don't have good institutions as much as we have good institutions but we don't have good managers in the institutions the occupants are the problem you are there to serve my interests so if you don't serve my interests I'll elbow you out so these are some of the things that we see so if we could be saying I can only elbow you out if you don't ensure that whatever we promise these Kenyans or these citizens that has been fully implemented I'll elbow you out but when I elbow somebody out just because my interests are not being catered for then we are doing a bad thing then we shall never have development in this country and it is a high time for we Kenyans to rise up and realize that this is our country and those people we put in leadership are not serving our interests because at the end of the day we are paying these people a lot of money, our taxes we are taxes my friend very true I want us to move with speed education it was another point that the president came up with and right now we do not know the situation how things will be just the beginning of the year we had that 100% transition to high school bringing a problem students don't have anything to go with as the level of poverty prevented some to report to school we saw reports of how students would go to schools without anything others went with boxes just a bar of soap how now do we move forward this money that has been allocated to education exam is coming up but now how now do we ensure now during COVID-19 even after COVID-19 our education system is up and running in a situation where everyone will be favored even if it's free education it will cater for everyone ok actually I'm a PTA member I have a sister in one of the national schools and it's true one of the big challenges in most of these institutions is actually infrastructure so you find the government has insisted on 100% transitions in terms of high school but there are no classrooms there are no dormitories students are clamped up in the dining hall there are no halls there are no libraries at least the government was giving books so there was that government program giving text books to the students but infrastructure is so squeezed because a school that only could host 20 students now you want the same school to host 450 students that is not possible because the classrooms are still the same the dining hall is still the same the entertainment hall is still the same the bus is one there is a lot of expansion that school needs now the only problem that comes with that is that the same government instead of providing you say 100% transition but you don't provide infrastructure to allow that school to go through 100% transition and now you are forcing parents to go to their pockets again to be able to contribute towards the 100% transition now when you think about COVID and maybe they put the policies that have been the measures are the preventive measures that are going to be put in place the preventive measures will be maybe 1.5 meter distance per every student so even in the sleeping dormitories they should be 1.5 distance now already there is a crisis in terms of the number of classrooms the number of dormitories so how will these schools be able to implement 1.5 meter distance now they are saying they will introduce e-learning which is good because we all need to digitize actually when you talk about the promise of the Uru Ruto government about the laptops maybe they foresaw that in 2020 they could be COVID so they were maybe in the spirits thinking wow let's put laptops they were in the spirit knowing in the future I wish we had implemented it it would have come in very handy and we would be clapping for this government and say wow you had vision of leaders right now the way it's going to be how many parents are going to be able to afford a laptop and then number 2 connectivity in the country all over the country can that child who was called to alliance high school from Turukana now they have been told they are going to do e-learning okay the government will give them a laptop but do they have connectivity wherever they are now beyond even just the infrastructure in doing the e-learning remember the school in a way kids who are in very poor homes they could be able to access food because they are now in school there is that mobilization of resources that child is going to do the e-learning in their own homes you see that is going to be a disparity there are some students who are going to perform better because they have better homes they have better family relations but if your child comes from a poor background poor family relations there is always chaos in your home or the nomads you see that environment is not conducive in itself so I think right now the government should sit down and ask itself how do we improve this infrastructure and what do you do each school has a number of capacity of students it has so for it to have a 1.5 meter distance that they are requiring even in classrooms how do they go about it do they increase more classrooms do they change the curriculum that they will be teaching 20 students per session you just have to readjust yourself do you teach everything if they go in shifts 20 students per lesson then the teachers how will they even compensate the chair because now more work for the teachers because when you are teaching only one lesson 40 students now you have to be doing twice the lessons so that to have the shifts so sometimes the lessons will spread even in the evening management also is a question is another question exactly so when you think about it this is not a rash idea it should not be a rash decision it should not be the blues and say by tomorrow all parents to have laptops okay may have a laptop but I have a caraboy in my home that's what I usually use electricity connectivity so it may not add up in the long run when they say e-learning is good digitalization is very good I love technology I don't disagree but then we have to look at our environment and our context so we tailor make everything to our context so if we don't tailor make things to our context we just want to ape the western way we just want to ape all the Americans Chinese are doing this or they are doing this let's tailor and that's why I like someone like Dr. Makufuli because him is tailor making based on his country he is looking at his environment this is what is happening in my environment these are how my people are and this is what we can do and you look at him the return to school formula he said let's first the candidates go back to school in higher institutions we can easily do e-learning comfortably and it's not our mandatory that you're going to do an end of year exam so he said okay let's begin with the candidates those are the most crucial ones these ones we can space them out in the school and curriculum can continue going as we sit down and figure out what are we going to do with the others who are not even candidates see that's already a step forward because you can't build school overnight you can't build structures overnight that will call for a budget all over the country you can't stop learning prioritizing the correct thing and don't just give draconian rules no study your people and study your environment and then implement now Sayres maybe these people had you last week when you spoke of the the number of teachers now they will be hiring 10,000 teachers to come in and help in the situation do you feel your question or your worry has been responded to was happy to feel that my idea was adapted and it's one of the things that I've been yearning for a very long time and what I want to say is this when you talked of the stimulus thing that Uru was parading parading on Saturday true he was parading because one I've already said and I'll never retract this Uru is a good, peered guy he knows how to present give him any paper document he will present it in the best way possible when it comes to implementation a big problem and you see when you see people gathering together they are gathering together not to serve the interests of the people but they are gathering together to make their pockets full they are gathering together to eat, they are gathering together so these programs have been made the money has been set aside but the committees that are going to be put in place will get bigger budgets than the program that is supposed to be implemented person will be hired just to be a committee member will be earning 100,000 per day as a sitting allowance so all this money that has been allocated will go to individuals just sitting in a committee taking tea somewhere and not to implement the project and that is the problem that we have in this country budget is set aside for this and this and this when that budget is set aside for an identified item a committee is placed this committee has been selected the committee the committee will take three quarters of the money in their pockets but for the implementation it is only a quarter so when we finish whatever we come up with the ideas we come up with we will never finish these ideas so one we need to prioritize the projects than the people see to come up with the ideas okay now when you talk of the infrastructure and the schooling I like what my sisters brought for the same things that we are discussing on Monday let us have good plan let us not just rush our pupils our students and our brothers to school because if this disease is there they speak it is there fine it is there then we are going to have a lot of problems we are going to have a lot of infections in our society believe me or not we are going to have more deaths than we see today we are going to be the spain of today now these are some of the things that we need to put in place if the government wants to return the school or open the schools let them start with these then let enough teachers be in place then let them also look at what else can we do are we going to detailize education whereby we ensure that each and every and this is the time the government should be doing this working together with the local administration ensuring that there is electricity in the school there is enough infrastructure in the school the desks, whatever there is enough food in the school that will be able to cater for all these people then we should also have digital centers we can say in counties let us have digital centers whereby if a school cannot hold a certain number of students let these students or pupils gather somewhere for that digital learning lessons then this way everybody is accessing education no matter what if we can have digital centers in every county like even 7 or 5 but then also go hand in hand with the situation that we are facing right now unlike just talking and we are not doing anything on the ground yes he has said the money has been set aside to hire teachers how many times have we had this in his hiring ICT how many people have seen who have been hired so Sionia has always talked about all these things and then they took Sionia to be an enemy of the government so these are some of the things that have been raised so many times but no one has even had interest on them when you go and talk to a teacher he will tell you a very different story because some of us have teachers we have brothers, we have friends who are teachers so when we sit down to discuss such things now they tell you the real problem that is there that the government is not addressing so these are some of the things that we need the question the question would be who is involved in decision making last time you you talked about health and you mentioned about fruits and now I can see fruit vendors and small medium entrepreneurs they have now something 10 billion for them and around 34 deaths and something has been 30 million the question is that the question actually we should be asking how is the distribution of this money are we registered these small scale entrepreneurs are they registered the fruit vendors we see on the streets are they registered because this is one year of knowing we have this database of these kind of people they need money how will the money be distributed they will go to ask for loans and then the registration how do you feel about this actually interestingly I think we Kenyans our own enemies for example how many people have registered their businesses we fear tax we fear tax we don't want to be known by the government what we are doing so that we can eat everything it's a bad culture we have a very terrible culture so even now when the government has said it's going to release let's say 10 billion shillings to go to small scale small entrepreneurs and CMEs have a legal registered you see so people will actually be dying silently because one they are already on the wrong side of the government they have never registered they have never done tax returns because they have been robbing the guy in one year you know sometimes we Kenyans we go shouting the government is bad or building infrastructure but also you are also robbing the same government that you want to help you out right because when to finish because me being a Christian you know Jesus said give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar at least you will come and question the government I pay my taxes the people who come and claim I pay my taxes but then you ask them but at the end of the day do you do your tax returns do you give the government what it requires so now when they say they are going to release 10 billion shillings to uplift SMEs and small scale businesses most likely the people who are going to benefit from it are those with the registered businesses so you who is duakali you have never registered your business I can guarantee you most likely it will not reach you because they will never know we don't even know you so I think this is the high time I think also to encourage Kenyans don't always think negative about your government all the time it's like you getting married to a man and every time you are just talking ill of that man then you ask him when will he ever even become better so if the government has given new rules register your business say what you are doing if you have made your profits at least you have the audacity to stand and say I pay my taxes I actually am a hard working Kenyan and I give you my taxes for my business but how come this road to transport my food is not actually being made it's like now you don't vote today and then tomorrow you are shouting this government but at the end such people shut up even when to vote just keep quiet you didn't vote just shut up stay away for 5 years no it's true because you did not participate so Kenyans we should move away from that notion of being observant and criticizing every time we are just criticizing and you are not being something about it so I am sorry to say if the government has declared is going to support small businesses the unfortunate thing is that if you have that small business you are legit registered and even if you don't make any profit you zero in your tax most likely those are the ones who are going to benefit but if you never registered you can see me trust you me you may not even see it's like the money they said that they are going to give to kushan families for example I even asked somebody who are these families that actually getting this the same amount of money so what I asked myself is that who assessed the very needy in the society the chiefs the chiefs right was there a database no they just say these homes because we have so and so I don't have hongda in my house and I may be really benefit from the 2000 no no no look at it because I had during the the census the people who responded to questions that I have I have everything who is vulnerable you are not in the list because you lied I cannot blame Kenyans on registering businesses or doing this and this I can tell you one thing Kenyans are aggressive people Kenyans are paying taxes let me let me let on VAT I do accounting I do auditing that is what I do but you cannot need tax if you have registered your business let me tell you one thing Kenyans are paying taxes no matter what when you talk of registering businesses do you know how many business out here are registered do you know how many youths registered their businesses in the name of getting the 30% from the government do you know how many disabled people registered to get the 30% how many men registered so many but they say a government that gives you everything is a government that takes from you that everything another thing is what happens is when the government has set a plan like we are going we have this money for this or we have this money budgeted for this the same same government the issues from the government have registered SMEs that are going to benefit from these manis I am telling the truth and how many SMEs outside there have registered businesses but they are not going to benefit from this so this money is still going back to the government the same same people who are working in those offices they are going to register this to small small businesses or they have them so they are going to get it so if you tell someone come you get 30% I get 20% so the government is losing when this 70% has gone the one who has gotten 30% the one who is going to pay now the taxes from 70% are not going to be seen so there is a kuhu there is a katele already existing to get all these manis should we have the distribution of the money based on the time you registered your company then the best also on how long have you managed your business on your own how long have you run that kiosk there how many people when the bank wants to give you a loan financing a business they come on the ground they check yes there is this shop you are the owner they do what we call visibility study there is what we call KYC know you are customer bank does it cannot just give you money without having done their own research so they come on the ground they confirm that business belongs to you you run that business day in day out before they give you money they have already done their case study they have already done their research they have all the facts to give you that money so this is some of the things the government should do also because these manis yes it is there to help these people get that person because there is somebody seated in this office who has already created a cater so all this money will go back to this person and this money won't be taxed then when you talk of taxation Kenyans pay tax what Kenyans fail to do is accountability calling the government or calling the tax man to accountability why am I saying so how many billions has carefully rost through corruption go sit down and look at the billions carriers lost through corruption then another question you should also ask to yourself but interjection I think the gap that is there about the small business the small businesses we don't have enough data because I am looking at that kiosk in the rural area the justice, kimeriti kata, blue burn and whatever askaria kupima those are the real Kenyans we are talking about I am not talking about the real Kenyans those are the real small business people and the mamamboga who is in Hakibanda are you sure that mamamboga wait wait wait you are sure that mamamboga has actually registered no think about it but anyway if we go with the basis that that kiosk most likely has a kanjo license kanjo license that is issued we ask ourselves does the government have a database wait does the government have a database of these individuals who have this SMEs they can actually say biti skyro kiosk kerosin and tomafutakidogoto kupima in an actual day hands 3000 shillings from this kiosk do we have such a database because that is where the gap is and that when I was saying that as much as for example we are saying yes the government is on the wrong the government has issues true but we really need to clean up our databases that is number one because right now you can start saying right now in a crisis of covid send researchers to go find out which business which business is supposed to we are running out of time now there is what we call this institution called Kenya national bureau of statistics they always issue what we call economic survey reports when you sit down and look into that book it gives you all the data okay I have all those books from 2009 to dates so when you sit down and look into they tell you these are the lawyers we have these are the women lawyers even to the mamamboka down there they give you all the information these are the number of students we have in this university they give you all the information from the Kenyan national bureau of statistics so after the information this information is always compiled so that it can help in budgeting so the government does not come up with the budgets or the monies without the statistics so it get the statistics from the Kenyan national bureau of statistics so how does it distribute the funds now the way I have told you the government distribute the funds to the cutters the government gives the money yes it issues the money but it does not teach that common man that's a strong allegation it ends up with the cutters in the ministries it ends up with the cutters in whatever section it is the government has issued the money for then another thing is when we talk of taxation when does the carer tell us to file returns that's another question we should ask ourselves June is when the carer will now come out seeing good songs telling how to file your returns telling how we should lipa usuru as a Kenyan but it does not do that daily if it does that daily every person will be accountable to pay the taxes how many people have pins and they don't know that if I have a pin and they don't have an income I should file near return so many of them have a pin but they don't know that so they have adept out of not knowing but when carer will go out and tell these people educating them day in day out when they go to schools and educate them when you have a pin because people acquire pin for one getting help loans when they are doing university but they are not told when you don't have an income you can file a near return they are not told that so when certain things are told they are adept so when most of the Kenyans okare because of lack of knowledge so what we can say is a lot of civic education I wish the government I wish the government would prioritize in terms of its funding and that's what I was telling somebody last time even this whole covid issue education was the number one area they would have focused on public health education before you even trained the doctor to go treat somebody about covid the number one person who should have been on the ground was a community health worker on the ground and a public health officer to teach the community maybe even the cases even you may not have needed a lockdown but now what we have this misconception people in the high areas is where we should start actually in terms of a pandemic is the bottom up start with the community person on the ground that is the person who is with that mamamboga with that chief they would have told them the prevention measures are this wash your hands like this wear a mask like this do 1, 2, 3, 4 even you start parading doctors to sit and panel and whatever whatever and you give your allowances to these people those who are the first people who should have actually been been utilized on the ground and most likely by the time you get that covid case it's maybe that very rare cases because wukuchi ni chief community health officer it's the same thing employ these legal officers or these paralegal people go to the community they are not necessarily doctors but they are trained to actually teach people in health information so they teach the same things to these individuals so that they are able to organize themselves and able to learn about whatever the government actually wants people able to public participation is actually really encouraged even in the constitution to participate so that there is also no resentment maybe we are resenting a government that is not even collecting anything because people are hiding that because people are not filing any review then you are here castigating Uru and in real sense he is looking the bank is empty actually he has been saying hakuna apesa we have less than 10 minutes and we have to mention this one thing that has been happening in the upper houses the other week majority speaker kipchumba murkamen being hosted and then later followed by professor kundiki and the question many are asking what did they do is it constitution to be hosted is it because of the party is it because of the loyalty is it punishment what is really happening in these houses what is happening in the houses is the expected thing to happen no this is true why am I saying the expected thing to happen we don't expect ok not expect our political parties our political parties are created for convenience sake that's one thing why am I saying so we only have political parties that will lead us to get to something period and political parties are an individual once the individual gets out that is the end of that political party we established a political parties act an institution that is supposed to manage independently the political parties but the organ or the institution is not independent it is managed by the now what you can say the political system in this country is a very funny political system in East Africa compared to Tanzania CCM has been there since time immemorial mangu fully lives CCM will be there some days comes CCM will be there chadema the same FBC of Uganda the same is always a flag bearer of the party it doesn't have any other things attached to the party only the flag bearer so without FBC FBC will remain there I am telling you today without ODM is dead that is one thing you are sure of because we are attached to the person ANC of South Africa without CCM without Zuma it is there without Mandela so where country and that is why the political parties act was brought to bring sanity in political parties to kill these brick face parties we still have the brick face parties in this country they are still existing we have a scenario of Ford Kenya was there attached to Jeremokyo Gengouding when he died he went to the party now it is a brick face party it is not a party it is a party that comes from a village in Bukoma when you talk of the same way when you talk of ODM the same way when you talk of Jubilee the same way so these things are there they are happening and whatever is happening today was expected before she comes in can tell you the truth Jubilee and I said this thing in another media station Jubilee is I compare it to the Babylonan town in the same language they were brought up it crumbled the handshake crumbled there is another thing I want to relate to Tom and Jerry are good friends but now Tom wants to pretend Jerry is an enemy now when he presents Jerry as an enemy the owner of Tom won't change Tom won't change Tom to another person won't bring another person but will maintain Tom so that Jerry is not harmed so in this scenario I don't want to say who is Jerry and who is Tom there is a matching up of Waipa and Jubilee we had Kanu of course we have the hosting of these people we don't know who is next so what happens next in the next few minutes what's your take my take is that I think we need to have political parties that have ideologies that people stand with because what we saw in the hosting and whatever it was not in the interest of the country at all because if you are a political party with ideologies because when you look at the western governments and even the western culture they have parties that have ideologies that they stand for so if your ideology is labour rights every worker should be well presented that is what you stand for when you go to parliament that is what they are fighting for if on your end is fighting for land rights political parties but is fighting for land then wherever you vote into that parliament from day one to the end they are trying to ensure land rights in this Kenya they are actually being implemented but now what we have is people of Taylor making parties to suit themselves have a harbour bus it reaches you to your destination it's like a narcissistic kind of an affair you use you for energy and supply once I have used you and I am satisfied to the supply I need I dump you because I no longer need I have used you to dump you that is the culture with this political party and you will find some people political careers can actually die with those political parties it's not narcissistic trust you me very narcissistic so we need moving on forward I hope we raise a generation a new generation that will come up with political parties that have ideologies that have what they stand for they can fight for what they stand for and they can die for what they are standing for so if you are saying we are going to our party is going to fight land grabbing from 1960 to whatever we will stand with that party everybody is coming on board in that way our number one goal is fighting land grabbing right? and that is my parting shot but I wish we change our political system in a way whereby we will come up with a political party or we will come up with a movement or whatever tailor making this time round we will make a tailor making let's now forge forward we will either have two political parties in this country four and against just like they are in America but each party has its own ideologies that can run through generations so that we keep on stop wasting time today you are watermelon today you are in today we hate it it's gaslighting every time I use you dump you we recycle the same leaders it's high time we moved away from to my conclusion to my conclusion I can say the political parties act is an institution let it step up and play the way it's supposed to play and let political parties be institutions not individuals because when they are institutions they also employ the youths let us not just use the youths when we want them after that my directors on me here we are out of time and I thank you so much for coming and sharing your opinion and your ideas in regards to what has been happening actually the 8th stimulus point is just the big 4 agenda spread if you notice and we are hoping the youth will be engaged more into these the big 4 is a pipe dream they will not be throwing stones back home thank you so much for keeping us company they have been my guests the beach is kairu and the economist and political analyst thank you so much my name is Dereva Hillary we will be seeing you again on Monday next week until then have yourself a very good blessed week come out here if it's important wash your hands remember sanitize observe social distancing and remember to love yourself and the people around you goodbye