 So like poorly early hand yeah now the thing I the thing my dermatologist told me of course He was also 90 at the time and this is eight years ago. So I don't know if you still alive I mean 98 and practicing history and is for Roger well, he was saying that you know Food directly like if you rub the candy bar in your skin like your face you're not gonna break out But certain foods Especially sugary foods do spike your hormone levels in certain ways. Yeah, that generally is what will lead to yeah Everybody's different, right? It's some some people find that like dairy will make them break out That's not anything that I've ever experienced but sugar for sure and that includes like beer you know things that have sugar in them that you know, it's not like I'm shoveling candy, but like Anything that's a little sugary will Throw things off if I have too much of it. See breeze didn't really cure it for me It wasn't a stringent really made it go away faster. Yeah, it basically stripped your skin and dried out everything Isn't see breeze been so proxied no, no, no, it's a stringent. It's basically like It's basically just a Either like blue or green tinted alcohol Yeah, but that's like and then like which hazel would be a non alcohol version of kind of the same type thing Gotcha Is that the same stuff they use for in barbers when they put the combs and that giant so no, that's no, that's like Yeah, that's just like a straight-up like I find just a killer. That's just that's just with seeded alcohol My guess. Yeah, it's a purple alcohol. Don't drink it. Yeah, just know Unless you're really in a bad way and then and then we got bigger problems hurt, but it's really not a good idea. Yeah, oh Happy Monday. Yeah, my dad always tells the story about being in boot camp and the guy who would filter isopropyl through a sock Like wow, that's to drink. Yeah. Oh God. Oh, that's not so bad Yeah, no, it's go blind I just like notification again Roger. Yeah. Yeah, I turned everything up. Why don't you turn it off? It's also it's it's that funny like Pavlov's dog thing Pavlov's dog thing where it's like when I hear the knock knock I'm like it's me even though I know it's not I don't use that notification anymore because I don't either But I know what it is Like Shocking you all must turn off. Oh, sorry. I'm talking to Windows Turn off turn off you must all turn off turn off tune in do your tune out Turn out turn off drop in yeah Right same bad time same bad channel Are y'all ready to rock I am ready to rock We really ready more ready to roll, but I mean that's that's fine. You know what you do you? Here we go in three two William DeYoung has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like William become a DTNS member at patreon.com DTNS This is the Daily Tech News for Monday May 13th 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane Roger are you there? Now Roger muted his notifications and apparently muted himself too, but I am shang is here. Oh, there you are I'm sorry. Yes. I actually muted myself, but I'm here and I am doing wonderful Excellent. We are going to talk about the Supreme Court case in the United States that applies to Apple and the ability For you maybe to sue Apple for abusive of market power It's it's a complicated story, but we're gonna try to make it clear and then talk about what implications we think might happen from that Let's start with a few other tech things you should know Disney owned Indian streaming service hot star said a global streaming record of 18.6 million simultaneous streams for the deciding match in the Indian Premier League cricket tournaments The most concurrently viewed video on YouTube by comparison was the 2012 skydive by Felix Baumgartner I watched that which had 8 million concurrent Nothing compared to cricket Bloomberg's Mark Gurman and Debbie Wu report that TSMC has begun production on a chip for Apple's next iPhone Reportedly to be called the A13 that would make sense Rear cameras on the 10s and 10s max would allegedly jump to three with an ultra wide-angle lens while the 10R Replacement would get two lenses and the higher end phones would be slightly thicker than last year's models But also support wireless charging for your other Devices so no more air power. Just use your iPhone Lenovo announced a business targeted augmented reality system called think reality The think reality a6 is a 1080p headset with a three degrees of freedom controller and four hours of battery life a small Compute box has a snapdragon 845 chip running Android, which you can clip to a belt or use with an armband The software platform lets enterprises create their own apps and works with AWS or Azure The software also works with non Lenovo devices like the Oculus Rift pretty smart stuff there from Lenovo getting into that platform and Sources tell Reuters that Foxconn will propose that chip unit had Liu Yang who also has been an assistant to Terry Gao Would succeed Terry Gao as chairman Gao said he will resign as chairman in order to pursue a run for the presidency of Taiwan Foxconn's annual shareholders meeting happens in June, so I imagine we'll find out more then All right, let's talk a little more about Amazon with some robots and some new jobs for people Yeah, sources are doing a lot of talking to Reuters because they tell Reuters that Amazon is rolling out an automated packing system called Carton wrap from Italian firm CMC and it scans items coming down a conveyor belt before putting them in customized boxes Now it can pack 600 to 700 boxes per hour You might say well How does that compare to a human four to five times faster or at least as many units as humans would do so Robots are winning in this case JD comm shutter fly and Walmart are also using the machines and Amazon spokesperson told Reuters that the Goal of the technology was to increase safety and speed and efficiency and said quote Savings will be reinvested in new services for customers where new jobs will continue to be created Yes, a source also said that Amazon would likely trim jobs through attrition rather than just straight-up layoffs Coincidentally Amazon is expanding its delivery service partner program Which gives some Amazon employees up to ten thousand dollars and three-month salary to start their own package delivery businesses Yeah, I feel like the smart move for Amazon here would be to take advantage of the speed improvement of these robots And and I think a lot of these headlines make it sound like Amazon's the only one doing it You know, that's why we put that in there the JD shutter fly Walmart. Everybody wants to do this They want to make things more efficient They want to make them faster and what it sounds like Amazon's doing on the side of the job thing is Saying well, we'll need a technician. You're not eliminating all the human jobs So there's promotions available for some workers here We may retrain within and some people will just leave and we just won't replace them when that happens Rather than causing the trauma of like laying off an entire warehouse staff or something But this delivery service partner program while not explicitly acknowledged as part of this Does seem like a way to say we will also provide a path for people to find another job Not only another job But but a way to sustain themselves as a small business if that's something that sounds interesting to them But isn't it almost counterproductive that Amazon would be like start your own delivery business and compete with Amazon? Well, what Amazon wants to do is get to one-day delivery, right? They want to they want to slow down there. They want to speed up. Sorry They want to speed up that delivery time. So they don't have sort of like a third-party seller, but third-party packager I don't think Amazon ever thinks they're going to be delivering all the packages themselves So they want to they want to create a lot of competition, right? They want to compete on price and if they have a bunch of small Businesses that they have created to compete on price that helps put pressure on big ones like UPS And it's people who are familiar with the Amazon process My question about this is first of all, are you going to make the same amount of money if you start one of these businesses on your own? and Are you allowed to take other clients or are you going to be locked in to only having Amazon as your client? If you start one of these because they're paying you $10,000 to start it Mike and yet that's a really good question My guess would be that it would be exclusive to Amazon because why would they dole? I mean, I don't know how many people were talking here and do that though I mean, it's it's one thing to give somebody a grant and put some restrictions in place But to say you you can't do like that's very monopolistic. I feel like that would be it is. Yeah Yeah, it's probably more of Amazon saying we know you're gonna work with us You know if we if we give you this money and and and we help you kind of get off your feet Anyway, you're gonna work with us and that's probably the bet that they're making. Yeah I think that's that's and that's a good bet to say like look $10,000. It's really not that much That's gonna pay for your fees and kind of get you on your feet We'll also provide three months salary So you're not worrying about that during the transition till you get this up and running But we're gonna give you guaranteed clientele. I mean sure you can go somewhere else if you want But why would you we're gonna give you all the business you can handle at least that's the promise here I also think that Amazon knows that a lot of people just aren't built to run their own businesses Some people are and sure maybe they work for Amazon and maybe they're gonna kill it You know with this with this new kind of spin-off Business but a lot of people just aren't going to take advantage of this or won't do it well and will fail But you know, I want to give Amazon a little bit of credit here, whether it's intentional or not What we're what I'm always saying is if robots do replace roles You should find other jobs within or provide a pathway to other employment and it looks like maybe they're doing those An update to the Apple TV app for iPhone iPad Apple TV and Samsung's 2019 smart TVs is out This adds the new channels feature that they talked about recently where you can subscribe and watch certain television providers Content without going to the providers app So in other words, you can get HBO through the channels app watch it in the TV app And you're never taken out to the HBO app HBO is one of the partners stars showtime Smithsonian epics taste-made Also on board with CBS all-access and MTV hits on the way shows for channels can be Downloaded for offline doing that's something HBO doesn't allow you to do in its current app It also is going to add a kids section to the TV app with family-friendly content and the TV app will start making general recommendations for you Using a combination of algorithms based on what it sees you doing as well as human curation So it's a combination aspect Tom you you said that you had started using the TV app at least in TV OS Sometime ago it and it works out. Well, I kind of never did I tried to connect everything that I had connected at the time And the the problem I have with this it well first of all, I don't have any problem with this It's a great update, but it doesn't become all that convenient for me unless I'm subscribed to I don't know For or more of these standalone services where it's like, I don't want to keep opening all these apps You know, I really only have the HBO app So it's not hard for me to launch that we have we watch shows that are on Hulu prime video HBO stars Vicky And I'm probably that all show up in that top level So I don't have to think oh which app do I need to open? I just see a notification like hey, there's a new episode of Bob's Burgers You want to watch it click here and when they added PlayStation view Where like a new episode on my DVR on PlayStation view shows up and now I can just launch it from there That kind of clenched it for me. Yeah. Yeah, I wish I had a new Samsung Smart TV, which I do know I have a Samsung TV, but it's it's not it's not a TV that is compatible with that But you true live with it Hey, ooh hadn't even thought about that one smart TVs and a new car All right, law Lake when at coin desk reports that Microsoft is launching Ion Which is an open-source project to create a decentralized identity solution on the Bitcoin blockchain Rather than using a third-party login like Facebook Ion would handle your decentralized Identifiers to prove that you own the keys to a given set of data Microsoft York Road said that the company has been working for a year on key signing and validation that can be that can use public blockchains But also handle a greater throughput for speedier transactions Sources told coin desk that Microsoft will move Ion from bitcoins test net to the main net by the end of this year Opening it up to users running nodes and contributions Microsoft was a founding member of the decentralized identity foundation, but this is different than that I know that's been going on for about a year and a half. Yeah, this is this is this is an implementation of that This is decentralized identity and Microsoft's like based on the principles of Identity which is in keeping with the decentralized identity foundation is Ion Because they want to make and this is within the mission of the decentralized identity foundation They want to make The ability to have decentralized identity management the norm and to do that they need big players to join with them So so right now they've they've got Microsoft, which is pretty big If you go and say like I'm gonna store some stuff in Azure But only I have the key even Microsoft doesn't have the key now Microsoft doesn't have to fight a court case that says you need to give us the key even though It's held in Ireland they can say we don't even have the key. It's encrypted data on our database. We don't even know it That's the way this stuff should work One of their big targets and and is called out in this coin desk article is Facebook because Facebook provides cross-platform Identity log in as well right when you say log in with Facebook except Facebook centrally stores that it's not decentralized And it would be against Facebook's Business plan right now to give that up because they want to collect that metadata They don't want to spy on what you're doing when you log in But they want to be able to log like they logged into this site at this time this many times helpful cell ads Absolutely, and you know, it's it vague as it may have been at times Facebook's whole Privacy is the future spiel that we've been hearing as of late would totally tie into something like this But would Facebook actually be able to implement this and still You know retain, you know their data collection policies that they have over so many years Which is made Facebook what it is now it would be a you know a radical shift You know I've they asked Facebook about this for this article and Facebook gave a non-response But I actually want to find it here I'm gonna scroll down and see if I can I can find the actual answer like many other companies Facebook is exploring ways to Leverage the power of blockchain technology Like mm-hmm. Yeah, they wanted they they're like don't get us wrong We want the buzzword, but no we're definitely not do I didn't say that but the implication is no they're definitely not doing that Other blockchain news a payment network called flexa is going to let you spend your Bitcoin Bitcoin cash Ether or Gemini dollars, which is another cryptocurrency at participating retailers like GameStop Nordstrom Whole Foods Caribou coffee, Jamba juice and Creighton barrel. You can go get yourself a little silverware organizer and buy out of Bitcoin You put your cryptocurrency in flexes app called Spind it's SPND The the app generates a QR code that you can then use to scan a check out The retailer gets paid in dollars and the equivalent amount of cryptocurrency is deducted from your spend wallet behind the scenes Flexa uses its own flex coin Essentially it gives the retailer the money right away and then uses the flex a coin as a Collateral while engaging in the comparatively slower process of taking the payment for your wallet That's one of the big problems with using Bitcoin to pay is Bitcoin transfers sometimes take longer than you know A normal retail checkout process would take so flex a coin is using some D5 Remember when we talked to Laura shit about D5 back on April 5th They're using some D5 on the back end to say well We can give the money to Whole Foods right away use our coin as the collateral While we wait for the payment to come out of the person's wallet and make it feel instantaneous for everybody So I guess I don't know if there wasn't sufficient funds in the wallet Then you know flex said probably has some way to be like okay Well, you can't be a customer of ours anymore, but assuming that this all works as it should Okay, well, you know, I don't have a whole lot of Bitcoin to spend a Whole Foods But if I did and I wasn't interested in holding on to it. It's it's a neat option to have I mean why not I That's the thing. It's like why not but will there be anybody do it like how many people have Bitcoin ether etc How many of them are going to want to give it to them? I think it's called speed I kept saying spend but I think I was just transferring the things in my head the speed in wallet How many people are going to trust flexa to store their coins because you kind of have to store them in this Wallet And how many people are going to then want to go and say yeah I want to use the qr code to pay for my broccoli at Whole Foods like it's one of those narrowing funnels I'm not saying it'll be nobody. I'm sure there are people in our audience who will do this And I would like them to report back to us, but is it enough To give flex of the runway it needs to make this a common thing It's a little chicken and egg thing because you need stuff like this to happen for bitcoin to take off Yeah, so it then yeah the question sort of becomes all right Well, how many customers does flexa need you know like what's flexa getting out of this if five people use it? Is it worth it? Where do you need five million? You know for it for it to be you know a viable business. What's your runway there? What's what's your critical mass? Exactly. I mean I I actually own some cryptocurrency. I don't see myself doing this I never shop at any of these places though. So maybe that's why you never shop at Whole Foods No, never it's too pricey No, that's why I'm broke I'm a Ralph's man I'm a kind of a Vons girl to be honest with you, but I do I I do like Whole Foods a new web app at talk2transformer.com Created by Canadian engineer Adam King using open ai's gpt2 technology Let's anybody enter a text prompt that the ai software will then automatically respond to or add upon Talk to transformer is able to recognize a variety of inputs like news articles song lyrics poems recipes code html even popular characters from certain franchises like harry potter something that's well known gpt2 is limited though to surface level coherence with character development and conversations That definitely lack more long-term structure. It's a single algorithm that can generate text by studying a huge data set that was scraped from the web and other sources So this is a demonstration and it says right there at talk2transformer.com that there is a more advanced version of this model That you're not allowed to put out on the public web like this Only open to certain researchers. Yeah. Yeah, this is the medium version And and it's fun if you go in it with the with no expectations You'll be mildly impressed like oh wow, that's really interesting If you expect it to be really smart and like carry a conversation or write an article based on you writing online You might be disappointed for instance. I wrote What should I say about you on the podcast daily tech news show? And the response was we don't mean to offend you But please respect that I have worked as an intern at adobe for over two years It's been pleasure to be a part of you in adobe success I also like you for being a self-reflective person who gets to take one extra step back one extra step forward I think that's a very important skill to have as a technical employee. I'm sure you've heard me say that many times I'm proud of what adobe has done for its users in years past And I know I will continue to be one of your first listeners. Thanks for being on me dan It's so funny. It's like first of all the ai was like I don't know. I'm being cornered somehow. So I have to defend myself My name is dan and I work at adobe. Yeah Uh, I will continue to be one of your first listeners. Thank you again. Oh, that's great You know, I I I did sort of like obvious stuff like who is sarah lane? It was just like I don't know just like weird stuff But you know, there are lots of other sarah lanes in the world So it didn't work out well, but then I I I looked up Um neighborhood in los angeles, you know, so I was like tell me more about this neighborhood in los angeles and It said, oh, yes. Um, you know, lots lots of lots of um Some data on the neighborhood, but like it was incorrect data. Like I said, it's the home of ucla Not true. That's a whole different day on the other side of town Um, it was it was where the hollywood industry started. I'm like also not sure Yeah, like everyone knows that's not true. So it's it's not really the sort of thing where it's like I'm looking for a fact. It's more of a Let's see how this unfolds based on the fact that you know, this is ai Yeah, well, and that's why this this weird response from dan quote unquote Is impressive from point of view. It's like this is all got syntax It's it's kind of feels like an email. In fact, tilly says thanks for being on me. Everything makes perfect sense It's just not pertinent to what I asked. That's that's right, right, right, right. Yeah, exactly Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Don't forget you can subscribe right now. Go do it daily tech headlines dot com The united states supreme court ruled that an antitrust lawsuit against apple on behalf of consumers may Continue lawsuit claims that apple abuses its monopoly power over the app store to drive up prices for customers By keeping the 30 percent that they that developers charge for an app the developers keep 70 percent apple keeps 30 percent That does not allow Competing app stores on the platform So they're saying apple keeps 30 percent of the money and they don't allow competing app stores This drives up prices and is abuse of their market position. Well, apple argued Whatever we can fight that out in court But you are customers of the app store, which means you're customers of the developers You're buying your app from the developers not apple Apple just provides the marketplace and that 30 covers the cost of running the marketplace So you can't bring this lawsuit So that's the thing you need to be clear right up at the top this lawsuit Today the supreme court ruled on whether someone could bring the lawsuit as a customer of the app store Or whether it had to be developers to bring this kind of lawsuit Now there is a precedent for this called illinois brick company versus the state of illinois Where the supreme court ruled that if you paid a contractor to build a structure out of bricks You couldn't sue the brick maker for the price the brick maker charged the contractor Uh, and that's what was happening the state of illinois was saying man We're paying way too much to these contractors to build buildings and part of it's because these brick companies are colluding with each other and setting high prices and the supreme court said well Yeah, but the contract contractors are the one that have to bring that that case not you because you're an indirect customer You have to be a direct customer of or a direct purchaser in order to have standing for an antitrust case In the apple case today apple was saying that the customer of the app store Is an indirect customer that you can't sue apple because apple's not the direct customer It's the developer that makes them the direct customer The court disagreed they were persuaded by the argument that well the payments for the apps go to apple They don't go to the developers the payments for the bricks went to the from the contractor to the brick maker Uh, and so that's different So in a 5-4 opinion justice brett cavanaugh joined by justices ginsburg kagan brier and soto mayor Determined that quote plaintiffs purchased apps directly from apple and therefore are direct purchasers Now all this does is say so you can keep Suing apple you even though you're a customer of the app store not a developer You're allowed to continue to sue They they very clearly said we're not ruling on whether apple's abusing its market position or not That's that's for the court to decide once the case goes forward. The ruling only allows the case to proceed Uh, and it will proceed at some point. We don't know when but This does open the door for more people to sue apple Because now you can say hey, I'm a customer of the app store and I think you're abusing prices in this way Or I think you're using prices in that way. You can expect class action suits to rise out of this now Yeah, I actually see both sides of this, uh, you know, let's say spotify I don't know you're signing up for a spotify premium account, right? And you do it through the app store and apple's going to take a cut You could do it through spotify itself And bypass that as a customer. Does everybody know that that's possible? No But it is and that would be you paying the developer specifically rather than using apple as You know the the um the platform to to pay the developer But I think most people think like oh, I'm you know, I I'm going to buy something. I'm in the app store I'm paying apple Which you are if you do it that way Yeah, at the same time I I so I I guess I've already sort of I've laid out both scenarios. I I think that Apple's not wrong But I think that the perception from the consumer is important enough that I understand why the supreme court ruled the way that they did Yeah, and and the fact is now that they've ruled that way it means Okay, there there's no question about that now the supreme court ruled So you can go after apple apple's gonna have to face more of these these lawsuits I would expect as well as have to fight this one that that went to the supreme court to begin with Now that it can start I think they need to change their approach If nothing else allow companies to take payment themselves within their app That's that's the most egregious thing in my opinion is that you can't allow amazon to provide a way to sign up For the kindle store or the comics elegy store You can't allow spotify to sign up a new subscription within the spotify app store without sending it through apple and apple taking the 30 Percent apple's argument has always been like yeah, but we're running the system And it's not free to run the system that the app is on so we need a way to make money on that That's a fair argument, but I don't know that it means that you need to be as restrictive as there being Yeah, I think they might be able to find a way to say No other app stores behind besides ours, but apps can provide multiple ways to pay them Yeah, absolutely the 30 percent always, you know from from the time it began was always like that's quite high So this is this is not a not a big surprise that it's been going on for the better part of a decade Yeah, and beatmaster points out This is all ios we're talking about because the mac os store allows you to use origin steam etc Like you don't got that problem on the mac. Why do you have to have it on ios? Good point Mobile it's the death of us Thanks everybody who participates in our sub reddit the opposite of death I might add submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show reddit.com We're also on facebook if you hang out there join our group facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show All right, let's check in thing of the day with chris christensen the amateur traveler He's back with a tech tip on resort fees This chris christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute Saw an article in travel weekly that had good news about lost luggage And that is the technology seems to be helping getting your luggage where it belongs So the number of bags that get lost in over the last 10 years has averaged 5.7 bags per thousand passengers Which is an argument for using carry-on luggage But we need to remember that that is with the number of passengers increasing just between 2016 and 2018 The number of airline passengers went up from 3.8 to 4.4 billion And what they're finding is if they use technology to track the bags as they get transferred between aircraft They can reduce the number of lost bags by as high as 66 And so more technology is going in which makes it more likely your bag will be on the baggage carousel I'm chris christensen from amateur traveler Now if you're experiencing cognitive dissonance and deja vu Saying that didn't sound like it's about resort fees. And also didn't I hear that last week? You're correct. That was neither about resort fees And also yes, you totally heard that last week. My only remaining question though is do do we have the one about resort? Yes, we do. All right. Let's hear that one now This is chris christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute Let's talk about resort fees. I don't know if you have noticed it But in certain places like los vegas resort fees have gotten just a little crazy And resort fee is that extra fee that when you've paid for your hotel room you may get caught by I stayed in a particular hotel on our press trip recently And I won't call them out because this is more common than just them And the hotel room was paid for by the tourism board But they asked when I got there Did you want to pay the resort fee and the resort fee was 42 dollars a day? And that fee let you use the pool and the spa and the fitness center But it also let you use the wi-fi because apparently that's part of resort So if you do book a hotel in places like los vegas if that room looks pretty cheap double check the fine print that says Excludes 4195 daily resort fee I'm chris christensen from amateur traveler Oh Resort putting your wi-fi in the resort fee That is Well, I mean, you know it at a big uh hotel and resort in los vegas not super surprising Yeah, but uh, yeah read the fine print. You know what you're praying for Let's leave in the whole resort fee system behind is like I just don't want to have to think that hard about whether I can get wi-fi or not Just let me get the wi-fi Yeah, seriously. Make it clear. All right. Let's check out the mailbag Let's do it. Okay. So last week on thursday, we we uh published our very first live with its segment, which was me Checking out the jabra elite 65t wireless bluetooth earbuds It was really fun. Uh, it was it it it was a really fun experience For me and an experiment as well And we've got we've got a got a poll going over on patreon of what I should do next So kevin kevin weighed in on what what he thinks that we might want to go with kevin says Really feel like there are tons of comparisons between phone types because one of the one of the objects in the running Is is sarah moving over to android from the iphone Kevin says a surprising few people actually have smart light bulbs another option One of the great things about the jabra live with it review was how sarah was comparing them to not having bluetooth headphones Not to some other product. I think the dts audience probably has more people with no smart bulbs As compared to people looking to see if they should switch from ios to android just my two cents Well, kevin you make a compelling argument, uh, and we were going to end the poll today But I think we're going to let it go for one more day so that people can hear kevin Uh and decide the pixel 3a is leading right now, which would be I mean sarah's switching to android I imagine you're still going to use your iphone. It's just tom. You don't know after three months Who's to say? But whether we give her a pixel 3a to try for three months or a set of smart light bulbs It would be more than just one or a home camera like a nest Uh, you know, like a like a little indoor camera, uh, the indoor camera is definitely losing But the smart light bulb is pretty close. 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We're also live monday through friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 2030 utc Find out more tell a friend daily tech news show dot com slash live back tomorrow with patrick bezia talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com I'm in club. How was you have enjoyed this bro? Nice good night, rob Good night rob Get some sleep Have you ever noticed that when you whisper something it suddenly becomes more ominous Yeah, yeah, well, it depends on the way you whisper it like your car's outside Well, that is yeah, that's there's nothing there's no way to make that like pleasant you're like, uh Eileen will sometimes Uh talk to the dogs in a whisper because she doesn't want to bother me because i'm like writing or working or something And I always tell her like that's actually more distracted. I'd rather you just talk to them a normal Yeah, because then you're like straining like what what's what's the secret? Yeah, yeah, it's something like that. There's some psychological thing where it's like Stop stop stop stop. Yeah. No, that's more. Yeah, that's more distracting. Definitely. This is dreams Right. It's just like, uh, all right weirdo Actually really good parenting tip by the way if uh, if you have a child that doesn't want to listen instead of yelling just Oh, no, no, like when my daughter's screaming the whisper gets lost between Right. Yeah selective whispering Tours Could have could have changed everything I've missed a day had just whispered but anyway Uh, hey everybody, did you see the game last night? Game of thrones Well, there was another game that was very exciting. Well, there were actually two But one of them the no, no, it was it was yesterday. Um, there were two game sevens last night and the raptor 76er game Was literally one, you know, like final buzzer Basketball like bounces off the rim a few times then go. I mean, it was just it was the most beautiful ending I've seen and yes. Yes. It was really something else And I was kind of rooting for the raptors anyway because there's raptors and you're all about toronto She likes dinosaur I just I think like It's cool that you're they're like I were the raptors They go with that and they have that like Rally area called Jurassic park like that's where the the fans go right before I mean, it's kind of cool. Yeah, and they kept showing them the whole time um, no, it's it's uh It was uh, wonderful game of thrones. Yeah, what a you know, what a, um uplifting and um Uncontroversy motivating. Yes. Yeah universally approved of Yeah, yeah, I don't think anybody had a problem. So there's two more episodes then it's over one one more Yeah, yeah I haven't like fully like Like downloaded in my brain that there's just one last night's episode sarah twice Okay, that's low I watched it twice, you know like as soon as it ended I just watched it again And then I a friend of mine, you know, we were kind of talking about it and he was like Well, this happened at the beginning and I was like did it Gosh, like I watched it twice and I didn't see that So I watched maybe the first 10 minutes at third time and I was like you're wrong I didn't happen making of things that they put up. I don't really like those I love those. I always watch those because they kind of remind me of story beats Uh as they go along and then I get to see all this behind the scenes stuff Fun for me. See I I don't I don't like the wall to be broken all that much With wall, yeah, you know that wall, uh, I It's not just game of thrones. It's anything. I don't really like behind the scenes stuff on anything I want to I want to pretend that these people are real you want the versatility to stay and not be shattered I don't want to produce you to tell me what his vision or her vision is. Well, that's one that's one reason why Dragon, but it's actually just a big, you know, two by four It's not it's a real dragon in westeros That's why you know, that's why one of the things that really bug me about blockbuster movies Is that they go on this huge press press, uh, uh Junket splurge and everyone talks about how they made the movie and what they were thinking It's like no, I don't I don't want to know you and that person are one in the same Even though they are like the other things I love about hollywood blockbuster movies Is they go on all these press junket tours and they tell me about the making of the movie I get more into it because they like I'm bond but like oh, that's interesting and that was your motivation And so I really like that it's case by case. Yes Definitely case. I mean I I I've talked about the show binge mode. I watched talk the thrones Which is a ringer thing life thing that they do after the east coast viewing of of game of thrones every sunday I mean I watched all that stuff religiously. So it's not as if I don't want to like unpack How how the sausage is made but something about the behind the scene stuff It specifically don't want to watch it democracy sausage Scissor sausage Coming up soon I really just watch it for in hopes to find something that gives me a clue about the next episode Yeah, see I'm I'm like you there amus. I like to try to figure out where the story is going That's why it doesn't I don't enjoy as much Taking apart episodes as some of my friends who are like like they like to look for the weaknesses and like Oh, this this didn't work in this plot, you know forget right episode, which I think is a whole different matter A lot of times it's like, yeah, no, let's just let's just talk about the story. Let's let's go with the story That's that's more. Yeah. Yeah It's it's if there's a critique to be made about a show that you care about enough. It's like, all right. Well, there's like, you know Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's have some discourse. But but yeah, I think uh Too much too much of that like yeah, let's nitpick this apart. I'm like, I just want to like One thing I want to nitpick apart is the title Yes, good point. Uh, what do we got in here? Thanks for being on me dan I My name is dan and I work at Adobe. Uh, heavy lies russian 30 pound head. That's a good day. I don't know what All right, I'll say that one for you. Say that one. Uh, being courted keeps suing apple. I sue apple Uh mobile. It's the death of us I I assure you the data is safe Uh, what's your critical mass flexa pay for my purchase apple argues whatever Who sue? Uh, I feel like it ought to be about the apple. Uh, maybe I sue I sue apple. That one's pretty good. I'm hadn't I like it I'll put it in the uh Oh, I see I sue apple You don't like me to put it in the dock for you. Do you know you you should you should totally do that Do it myself No, you can All right, then gdi You're head weighs 25 pounds or no my uh heavy lies rogers 30 pound head Isn't it heavy like no heavy lies like heavy lies the crown All right, that's so clever. I didn't get it It's it's weirdly shakespearian Heavy lies the head that is rogers Especially on my shoulders, which has enough on it. Thanks for being on me dan That's creepy. Dan was saying thanks for being on me. Dan wasn't on anybody. Thanks for being on me dan All right. No, you just need a you just it's an issue of punctuation It does Like there I will continue to be one of your first listeners. Thanks for being on me dan I love I love that even though it wouldn't make enough sense, but my name is dan and I work at Just has like our title for the show like what what are they talking tbg2 I think was the one who asked like Veronica write this because Veronica works at adobe now That went through my head too when I when I read this I was like Is it somehow know that Veronica used to be on the show and now we're going to know be that find that information somewhere We don't mean to offend you but please respect that I have worked as an intern at adobe for over two years We don't mean to offend you by this Okay, but you just know something right I've been an intern for some time. Yeah, and it's been a pleasure. Okay Thank you for being on me. How long can you be an intern before it just gets like I also like you for being a self-reflective person who gets to take one extra step back one extra step forward Which I assume means I'm staying in the same. Yeah, you don't really move at all kind of like the intern I think you can be an intern for as long as there's not like a shelf life of internship But is it well? It depends like an actual internship is supposed to have a finite date. You're not in it for like a life Well, not for a life, but I don't Rule that says you have to hire this intern if they are here long They're you can't just keep an intern indefinitely. There there are rules. They're like, yeah, you need to start paying them now They're really because I mean we and revision through we paid all the interns like contractors Amos knows these rules Ah, I have special rules for my internship. Yeah, every internship has its own rules But amos has even special air rules road rules When I was in college, I interned at a tv station, uh, which was you know, it was Very helpful because that was my major and they gave me 20 dollars a day You know for the days that I was there I wasn't there five days a week But maybe like two or three and most of that money went to parking tickets that I got For driving the tv station That's funny my I interned at the washington center for politics and journalism Uh, and they placed me at national public radio. So that was one way is that npr Didn't want to have the legal risk of having interns So I was a washington center for politics and journalism intern that I was being loaned to npr And then they could only pay us A uh a stipend. Oh, I got one of those cover meals in parking Uh, and so that was that was how they gave us money to to get through the internship I I got 50 bucks a day from tech or gd tv Yeah, I think that's an extra five a day. I would have been great. Yeah I mean, I was Well, I mean sarah, that's essentially what you got right was lunch and parking. They just went in a different route Park is more than 20 bucks. But uh, I didn't get a parking ticket every time I went So it's like it eat most of the it wasn't very much money to begin with Why what am I getting 60 bucks a week? And then if I get a parking ticket here and there it's like that eats up that week's uh money So it was more of the they you know, the tv station hired me as soon as I graduated So it's like I was working for free and I got a job out of it because I did good work So I don't remember what I ate at my internship because I remember it was a real pain to leave the building because I was an intern I didn't have like the security card. I had to have the receptionist buzz me in or something Oh, I remember what I ate. I remember what I ate I ate plain rice from the I think I made it on the street and it was like 50 cents Sandwiches like white bread and peanut butter jelly. I ate those little lifted soup packets That too, yeah And they are what I eat for my internship, uh, it's really leftovers Sounds better No, I I do remember because I worked at crown tv just on venice So it's like just on the edge of tenderloin lots of vietnamese, uh restaurants You know within like really close walking distance and I was I was poor I was in college I had no money and I would Literally just get like a thing of rice to go and like take a couple of soy sauce packets And then just make the rice taste salty and that's what I would eat for lunch I remember people being like sara That's not real nutrition and I was like 50 cents Then i'm full Not a lot of money I used to make uh spaghetti with broccoli because I was like, oh, then I get vegetables I still do that and then I would eat half of it for dinner and I'd take the other half for lunch the next day Yeah I didn't eat I just I basically ate a very large dinner to make up for no breakfast or lunch I never ate breakfast at that time. Uh, I went years without ever eating breakfast. Oh, I got lighter back then breakfast is I mean sometimes I I have a late breakfast later than I should But I can't just skip breakfast. I I do I do like a muesli mostly oatmeal. Yeah with some banana and blueberries and stuff. Yeah, that's why I've got grape nuts in the cupboard I don't eat grape nuts all that often, but it's like if all else fails. I'm out of eggs. I'm out of everything It's like just eat some grape nuts. What and it keeps you from getting too hungry. That's why I started doing it well, and I'm also not That's smart. Like I can't think if I'm if I if I skip breakfast entirely You need brain. I can't I can't really do anything You know, I just feel slow and like I can't think of words and gotta eat I do remember during the school week. I was a frequent A frequent user of the value meal at the mcdonald's on the way to school Like I was only a buck. What what age? What age was I? Yeah I was cool. You talk college Yeah, college college. Okay. I'm always Yeah, I don't think I ever ate breakfast in college ever like this this egg thingy is I don't remember what I ate in college. I mean if I was there all day, I was obviously eating somewhere in the quad There were several restaurants in there. We're kind of capitalized dorms and with at the University of Illinois at the time You could use your student ID to eat at any dorm Right. Sometimes I would get lunch at whatever dorm was near where my classes were And I did dinner at my home dorm whatever it was was unremarkable because I just can't remember or I don't know Maybe I was bringing food I don't remember I didn't live far. I never lived on campus, but I didn't live far away But I don't think I was going home for lunch ever. What'd you have for lunch today? as a comparison I had um Some well, they were it was more of a breakfast, but I had Some leftovers for breakfast and then I had like corn tortilla egg arugula tomato feta Nice, and I kind of made weird tacos out of them. It was good. Yeah I will tell you I had for breakfast if you're an audio listener video folks. Don't worry. It's really not that interesting Thanks for watching audio folks stick around. There's lunch to come