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your brother thank you very much very kind of it you're making me blush before we started but always go back to the start of my guest frank where you grew up how it all began where i grew up yeah i was born in hammersmith when i was three i moved my mum moved to ones of so i was brought up in ones of um the area how was that it was very not too bad i got um three sisters two brothers and i'm the youngest out of the family so i got well if i had a fight or something i've got big brothers to run to i'd say my big brother saw you out if i couldn't sort them out but yeah had a good fun how was skill um dixlexic very very hard in different ways but when i went to the ball school i had special teachers looking at special but teachers you know i mean trying to get you into your mind and find a routine to do but yeah school was good and what sort of school i needed the ball school how did you how did you end up in boston um my mum moved me if i didn't start fighting and getting into travel on the street she had sent me to the ball school but i didn't really realise until i got to 12 where it was really really like but it's a good place you know learning look after yourself very early on because i'm a nicky cake or trying to rub you or nicky cigarettes or whatever very serious place did you find you were fighting a lot more because you were dyslexic was people trying to tease you yeah definitely definitely some in boarding school with about um 200 100 kids is psychastic and trying to win the bullies and whatever yeah stages where you go through in the ball school the same way if you're in prision if you know someone in there we can look after you it's nice not a bad place yeah i had a man on the podcast as well called yami b he spent over 40 years in prison but he spent time in boston with christian bank did he okay yeah christian bank was the same just kind of faint his whole life do you think the faint was a getaway for yourself as well i don't really know you know i mean i was wanting to be a boxer because i sastit out really that i couldn't be a footballer because i was very very clumsy i tried all different spools but boston boxing as well i loved i loved doing karate and boxing because young stuff and i always admire brucially as well what is to just start boxing about eight nine um 11 12 i had three junior fights one two lost one but i just got hooked sent off to um the bulls to it that time is that when you started finding a passion for it straight away from a young age yeah try you know i was wondering what i'm going to do you talk to your mates and they're going to one wants to be a bank robber this one wants to be a designer this one wants to be a football agent and i want it to be a boxer and sometimes i see the guys some of them have done very well for themselves but some of them are dead unfortunately yeah that's a good boy does that play a lot in your mind now it's not filling my mind just before you drop it in you in the conversation yeah so when you started training the boxing do you remember your first fight yeah i do remember my first sparring session as well i got the first um the sparring session was a um a policeman south walk very awkward sound so took me down the gym he beat me up took a couple of days a couple of times i went down the gym very very awkward dangly he beat me up by the third time i went down there uh learned the little tricks here and there and they took me on the leavens gary leaven and his dad was john leaven good guys what was it like from fighting on the streets to fighting in the ring did you see it totally night and day very very different you know i mean i learned the fight a little bit on the street but in the street you got head but buy do whatever you got to do but boxing you got to drop it diplomatically with the fist you know how did your friends treat you when you started going into going to a boxing gym your friends something was very odd towards me something wouldn't talk to me because they felt i don't know i've never changed you know i mean never will change but some of my friends changed towards me is that because they think you're maybe leaving them behind in some degree not but i don't know it's freaky when you see your friend and if i had a friend and he was on television doing bits and pieces i was finding kind of odd but some of them don't want to not really don't want to speak to me they're weirdly shy were you scared of your first sparring session no i weren't scared i was a sparring session for the um the policeman then i got involved in going down Francis Jimmy north north london and i had a chance to fight spar with light moali i was his mg sparring partner or his bitch that he could beat me up but yeah for about a couple of years i was he's sparring partner punch bag actually but he was a good guy like moali very underestimated but he came from zambia before he was born your dad might know him or this or that man might know him but a long time before he was born see when you're getting beat up that that ever give you any incentive to try and quit because you thought it was maybe too much of a dream you gotta take a little beating i'm not kinky but my dad if i was out of order he would drop some hands on me now if he'd done it in this day and age you'd be locked up with the curtain wire and whatever but that's old school for you what was your first amateur feat um first amateur junior fight was a guy from batasi remember it very well we fought three fights i won two and he won one did you enjoy it i did enjoy it because his dad was winding me up i think he was a um borderline gypsy guy and he didn't like me at all and his son obviously he wanted his son to be but his son never beat me i beat him and he i got two and he got one what was it like winning your first fight it was a good good buzz good feeling you know i mean never again when you go in the ring you know because you know you feel that you're a bad boy out of the ring but when ding ding round one comes a different cup of tea seem you start doing well in boxing see outside the ring do people try and test you all the time i've got a detached retina uh market um market not too far from there some gypsy keep coming to me hit me in the butt head me in head butt me sorry sorry boss head butt me in the eye and then tore my retina but certain different things if you're in the celebrity world you got to expect all that that you know i mean shit what comes of it how did you handle that a very young age that because your first is at 21st feist you're 21 knockouts i listened to Terry Lawless he's a very very wise english guy and very constructive to not only set you you're out to fight how to spar how where to go but he's talking about after you're finished from boxing that still moves on and he told me that very young and i'm stuck with it you know what is did you turn professional frank age borderline 19 so you never had many amateurs did you have three amateur fights senior amateur fights 21 one all of them the guy lost one the guy that beat me i was going to doubling to go and fight him Joe crystal very very tough family but i've got my revenge on that one what was that like getting that defeat it was um sad because um if i was listening to kept going and keep fit in the gym and do the right things but the second time i thought in my did do the right things and train very very hard for the fight and focus and i done a job on him because that's not a lot of amateur fights before you turn professional that what was the decision to turn professional at a younger age met a laying lady and she got pregnant by me so when my mother gave me a week to get out the house and find myself um somewhere to go but i went to America for three months and i left the wife to organise the sale of the house and move and all that different bits and pieces was that when you started sparring with mate Tyson um when i went over to America borderline that was yeah yeah what was that like was he 15 16 year 19 it was very very good we had about four different sparring partner jeff sims james creek tillis um Joe Fraser's son or his grandson was one of the sparring partners and Tyson we all mingled together and tried to knock the shit out one another and he was a good session good time spending around Tyson through a good tanker's customado was a very beautiful very knowledgeable guy about boxing and you sit down and have lunch with him have tea with him and he would tell you some of the different lyrics very very professor i'll call him of boxing nodzol yeah did you learn a lot from cus then even sitting down eating every minute is fine enough lyrics by their common sense to start your dad or your uncle your grandma you sit them in the room with your grandma at the table your grandma be the head of the table and she will frame out some lyrics and you got to respect her lyrics because she's been in the world more than we have you know longer yeah well whose idea was it for you to go to america um terry lolos i want to get some experience i was actually one fights but if i could go around america it's vagus a chicago and i even had to fight in america you know what i mean but it's to see the feeling and the vibes was out there america's a big place whether some weird nutters whether some good nutters out there as well what was that like for you were you nervous going out to america alone no really i thought it was quite exciting me, mark, kael, and tony had them from over there um good experience did you know who Mike Tyson was before you went no i don't think Mike Tyson knew who he was what were you what were you thinking the first time you've seen him nothing much he's not much more bigger than you but he's compact you know i mean you're compact but he's compact big neck and start treating like he's bright dogs yeah that's what's to me i mean yeah because i spoke to big uh Joe oh it's Joe's Joe Egan Joe big Joe Egan he says he went sparring with Mike Tyson as well but when he used to go running Tyson used to sprint he used to say yeah you do that you'll tie yourself out but when it came to the sparring he just used to knock people out for fun yeah you know i mean sometimes it's very special very unusual person i don't think you you find too many in the world like him but good luck to him i think he's trying to rebuild himself and make some more money but he's not that easy by wishing well yeah did you feel his power the first time you sparred yeah it felt his power but i he felt my power as well because he was not being foolish or not trying to be flesh he was brought in to be my sparring partner we designed to go to the Catskill Mountains Gleason's is the name of the gym it's a Jewish health farm but they love boxing and they had a ring built down there suddenly for anyone who wanted to come down there was on many people they had refuse yeah there's two Jewish um kind of sparring partners and kind of friends that Jewish brought along yeah a terribwyr longs terribwyr sorry so you made your pro debut at 21 in Chicago i think yeah no no no um my pro debut was a rollout but oh how was that experience it was very scary actually you know sometimes when you go into something um you've got a television there and you've got a 5000 people in the room um before when it's the amateur league there's about the maximum was about 200 people in the room but it was scary but persevered through and won different vibe taken off your shirt and you've got to find someone you know i mean professionally it's a different cup of tea and especially when you've got to put food in the table for the the baby to come and the missus as well did you feel that added pressure that you were a father at a young age that's a great cause you know i mean you just go with the flow i wasn't there to really i was ducking and diving going to different gyms sparring going to different shows and gaining my experience when did caspanic come into your life he came into my life when i was about 18 very very young very you know i mean me at that time i used to get around and roller skates may look odd may sound odd but yes i used to ride roller skates for my transport but once i went training to canning town um i think it was my land these two skinners but the opposite side of me but they came over the side i was on i was minding my own i didn't even care about what was going on there i knew there were skinners and then cas came from where he was over and they went off but in his book he sexed it up i put some vat on top of it they said they had guns and fucking grenades where addo says they had everything i mean tried to sex it up and put it in his book on what he'd done but i said cas he worked like that i was on the skate minding my own business nothing i think i must be very very stupid there was moving close to me but i'm stupid i am that's what my mum calls me very stupid but sometimes you've got to be stupid to catch smart so i just mind my own cas came over and they went about their business but yeah put it in his book yeah yeah he's been a good friend of yours through the years there very very very very very good you've glad i met him over through the Grand Canyon town and never stopped being friends as well good quite knowledgeable yeah very well respected as well i feel like Alex Morrison is very respected as well yeah big alec from Glasgow he's a good friend of my dad so i know you are friends with him he brought me Tyson over to yeah for Hamden fight right yeah yeah big alec's a good guy not another man who's well respected in the boxing industry yeah yeah big big man his fucking hands are massive i know he makes me laugh yeah i can't understand the word these things but it's not yeah so after your first pro fight then like your your next 21 fights you you knocked everyone out but did you feel as if the boxing game was easy at that point no i never thought it was easy never never thought it was easier too because sometimes a photo guy could jump about Cummings and i thought he would be easy but he just come out of prison had a bullet in him and just took Joe Fraser to to a draw so i knew that boxing is tough a smoke from when i fought him and he knocked me out in the first round how i came out for the second and reached the seventh round knocked him out god only knows so for the 21 fights was a lot of hype because the British heavyweight division wasn't great yeah yeah yeah so for a man like yourself coming through and setting up a light was there a lot of hype i was did that add the pressure towards what was it doing there's a lot of hype but i'm a guy that smiles at my own business man i'll get involved in people wanting to do this it's like Lord Honigun Tony Adams they wanted to arrange some sort of like to get together i'll just listen just get me out keep me out of their business because they're only trying to upset the fans and upset a lot of people you know but i've done well and kept well and listened to wise people and nicked their little bits there and there so after your first loss how did you handle that Frank um sometimes in life you've got to get a beating i'll handle it pretty well but when you see the gym and try to train a little bit more harder um you know i mean sharpen up on certain different things see when you lose the the people say when you lose the people actually like was people like in the fact that you lost because there's always people when you start doing well for yourself there's always people on the sidelines want you to get beat i want you to fuck up that's just life it's sad you know i mean that's that the way it goes but sometimes it gives you more energy more determination to go forward because i like people saying you're no good and it's sewing me you can't touch them legally outside of the ring but if they're going inside the ring i can make up for what certain different ones will say something and punish them you went on a one streak again you went on a one streak after that did you win the european title was it a guy from sweden um Anders Ecclund about six four seven nine his shoe size was about 17 and his poor wife as small as that that man down there you know i mean but i'll see if you get something well she must have walked about funny Frank if he laid it down you know you know not the stuffing out of her yeah but yeah i caught the bro before he she must have been demanding some you gotta give me some lovings so when you won that title Frank like was that a dream what did you do but you're not on a British did you and then went to the British I would like to have gone to the British but at the time there was a heavy weight two heavy weights Horace Notes and Gary Mason they was in the same camp so Terry had to be fired and keep them going because they had bills to pay and they're ducking and diving so it was tricky here and there but we helped each other Gary and Horace has sparring partners what was it like for you winning a european it was a nice feeling but it's not it was nice when you won the world championship but it's a nice i didn't didn't pay much money not a lot of people that was a european championship but yeah i think Anders Ecclund I thought for that was it yeah i mean i'm leaving gonna pretend i know the name i just know it was a guy from Sweden with big feet just call him big feet yeah yeah definitely yeah definitely i think it's Anders Ecclund yeah it's his name yeah and 1989 was that when you fought Tyson because that fight was that not called off so many times beforehand boy it was scary man didn't even think of it now it's draining the thing at many times it was um um postpone but if you're a boxer you gotta duck the go with the flow you know what i mean but yeah his wife rubbing nothing at the time did he ever yeah wife she must have been very sexy in the bedroom talking to him like a puppy if she said sit down and bark he'll sit down and bark at them under manners and unfortunately he didn't look at the wearer there because he must have been good sex the sex blocks everything out but yeah he tried to having the wife but i mean i think she was good for him yes that was 1989 were you're supposed to get that fight in Wembley but happened in Vegas Donald Trump and Don King got a briefcase full up with money and gave it to Mickey Duff and this fight postponed and moved to Vegas and i think about five six times it was um postponed did you want to fight mate Tyson did you want to fight him of course when he was 15 i was 19 i knew more than what other people would know because i wanted to fight him do you think it could have made a difference if it was in your home tough Wembley much different much much different same like when Don King has his um runners and judges and whatever gives him a brown envelope sold something out if for them the night before yeah how were you treated in America i was treating pretty well you know i mean not too bad in America yeah you took thousands of fans came over to do not in Vegas um for the first class fight yeah a lot of them came over yeah what was Don King like he's not a bad guy a lot of people can't take him but he's the duck and diviser businessman very intelligent guy and someone not to be missed with so when you go to Vegas how long did you go to Vegas for before i have about three went to Arizona first to get drunk it used to the heat or whatever so Vegas was about 10 days before and going into that fight you you're the first man ever rocked Tyson's act correct well i think so if you say that but yeah i think yeah i don't know i rocked him you know i mean rock like obviously i'm home yeah and what was that like going world title fight then and then losing that was that hard was that a bit of a pile to swallow yeah sometimes yeah but um i'm determined to fill my dream and get what i wanted to do is win the wbc in red shirt to have a seat belt but yeah bad day at the office because your friendship with Tyson's became very strong over the years as you've kind of grew closer is that correct i think um nine him from the caskew mountains or whatever getting by himself we can talk he's very very relaxed but when he's got them yes people around him it's very very difficult to to get through but when we went to Miami Paul went to Miami with me he was wasn't too bad so when you 93 when you fought lineup sluas that was you made history that was the first british heavyweight fight ever i think so i don't know me i've just got that wrong but as far as i'm aware it's true yeah okay you and lineup sluas was a the british title if it's not we'll just end it how is the fight between lineup sluas and Tyson who is who is a hard dot opponent i think Tyson you know i mean very very awkward very difficult to catch but i think Tyson's on the slide then he's partying too hard and i think they're not sluas are going at the right sort of like time but if you go back in time watch dbd's on my Tyson when he was in his prime you know i mean the people he knocked out and he's so young you've got to end the situation because not too many i don't think there's going to be another every way we'll come and deserve our show and be as dangerous as that man and i've got to give respect you know because you're dangerous i'm right and then lineup sluas fight you were winning on the scorecats do you ever feel you were just so close as well sometimes and and some of these big events yeah sometimes you get close that's why sometimes you you feel like you need to give up but sometimes i don't think i want to live with myself if i want to give up because that was my my determination to have my name put on WBC champ frank prunar from england in year fourth time for a world title you you end up the champion Wembley pact arena how was it feeling before that frank especially losing three before that and then going into year fourth did you ever feel as if that was never going to be it was hard but i had to persevere you know i mean all of them are cool of noon but he was a very very dangerous guy in the ranks of whatever ways they were around they're Ray Mercer um larion's um mike dokes greg page um james cryptillus you know i mean all names that greg all names there were as heavyweights and i don't know if you have to be very very good in the era to get a little touch because donking was donking controlling everything so to get a little touch in there it's very hard yeah so when you're winning that what's going through your mind can you remember that night of course i remember that night of course i remember that night i swept the bed in the belt but i was so thirsty put the belt there i'll get get the duty done you know i mean i can't be great in the mirror looking at the belt obviously that night i was very very happy bruised up here and there but very happy and at that moment there that's all your dreams come true yeah definitely yeah everything you've done in your life was for that moment to win the world title yeah and to carry on you know i mean being a richer man how did people treat you after that frank i don't know people treat me as frank bruno you know i mean no different than anyone else and yeah people just treat yourself i don't what in what way would you say no because like i say you're a legend in the sport but when you started doing all the adverts and stuff like people were having a little dags and shit oh yeah i've done pantomime they had a dig i've done um hp ever they they they criticized me for that but i'm a boxer terry lots of words tell me there's got to live after boxing you have something coming in from doing so i've done pantomime i've done it's a knockout i've done pantomime for about eight years it was good fun good experience especially when your man is dyslexic and you go read the script i ring the even when i last day i didn't even know what i was saying but i rang it until i got used to the thing and i've had some good shows for me pantomime yeah so that's the sad thing as well that somebody coming from where you've came from to then being champion of the world to then having opportunities to make some money provide for your family and yet people have read digs this is a the thing that's fucking wrong with society and my own opinion but people see success is a negative when really should be embraced when really people should be looking at as if he can do it i can do it sad that he's about your body on the door now that's how human beings are i suppose you get some people jealous of what how you're doing but them making you dress should give you more strength more determination to go forwards you know and to put your fingers up to them or one thing whatever yeah it's good to do that as well yeah did that affect you at any point what's that did that affect you that when people started pointing to so much people because sometimes i'll see just to fight the other day and he was worried about what the people were telling him before he went into the fight so i didn't want to know or get involved sometimes i used to like to look at the opponent but i'll train very very hard just go in there touch wood and go in there and fight if i do well i do well if i don't i don't you know once you're on the world title the agreement clause was to fight mate Tyson after that yes thank one let me sign that and thank one didn't let me have hit me bramon who came to represent me to to find out a good contract but i can't really talk of a spot meal because thank one was watching he was saying i'm a i'm grateful so so i'm not ungrateful i thank him for the bottom of my heart for raising and making a fight with Oliver McCall but i don't know how a man could be in prison and then he comes straight on to be number one contender for my belt yesterday so did that go does that play in your mind that like you don't play in my mind but these promoters they're very very tricky and i can see why some people get lawyers are for their backside because sometimes if they they're trying to turn your toes they're trying you know to treat you and you know they're making a lot of money for most i didn't realize how much money they made but that was yesterday man and it's going for today yeah so if i make Tyson again he's just out of prison did you ever feel as if you had you would have the edge then if he was away for a few years well in prison yeah no man they'd be chasing his arse all over the place a lot of friends are now in prison but i don't know i've been in prison to visit friends and whatever but i don't know what it's like when they shut the door you know what i mean and i've got lots of friends i leave it as that man go on to the next question so that was your last fight Frank was that your last fight against Mike Tyson yeah it was my last fight yeah how was that then like amazing career it was sad in a way but it's not the way i wanted it but this way the cookie crumbles when i fought my Tyson and for the second time i've got a detached retina from Oliver McCall in the first fight in the first round but i rang it and tried to go through but it's very risky doing what i've done how was the decision for you to give up boxing it wasn't easy you know what i mean but i kept training trying new things going you know i mean to do shows and whatever but yeah it never taken the the buzz as boxing will give you especially if you've had if you've been fighting your whole life and then you've got some direction you've got some purpose like when that gets took away from you like there's becomes then a big void avoid it what you think we'll fuck me like i'm not good enough anymore is that when the negative i think sometimes they place on your mind certain different things because some boxes haven't fulfilled and got the right money that they wish to deserve and that's what a lot of them come for a lot of trouble when they finish the boxing do you feel as if you were used at any point yeah i do but i don't want to have this video of saying oh he's in the podcast he's ungrateful i'm very ungrateful the bottom of my heart i can't there's only so much money you can have there's only so much money you can chase and i'm very grateful you know i mean i'm ducking and diving i'm not as rich as i was when i was married and had to 75 acres or whatever but it's life man as long as i've got a tent a river over my head i'll be grateful because you see some people or some countries you you go to like Uganda or whatever and some people and they do live in a shell so i'm just grateful that i can be fired from my family and still go on and make a little bit of change yeah that's a great way of thinking that is that's all you can do is be grateful for the past learn from the mistakes and try and fucking better yourself for them which not mean like life is a mad journey frank like what a career you've had and everything you achieve is unbelievable and like even now it's telling your story but people are still intrigued by it especially with the books which will touch on your new book uh 60 years a fighter which we'll leave the link in the description but for everything you've done is is brilliant what was the best moment for you unboxing well in the world championship you know i mean um yeah it means some nice people through boxing some people um class boxes or gangsters or no more gangsters any politicians out there but yeah a lot of fun a lot of fun scary sometimes here and now going into the ring with some monsters you know i mean when i mean monsters some tough guys that they used to be runners and do whatever they gotta do but hide the good things is a good laugh teach you look after yourself and protect yourself and take no bullshit but yeah our good things and after boxing you've been very big on mental health you spoke about it very uh i think you are probably the the biggest sports star will probably the biggest person and you're okay to touch on mental health at that stage because it wasn't really spoke about if you speak about it people laugh people think he's fucking off he's not but you were kind of i was saying the global people thought i was nuts he's lost his shit again they'll be saying you know some of the guys will do anything but you're okay i said yeah but okay what you're doing down here but i can be a human being and keep my feet on the ground and have fun down which i did have good fun down in the global but we twisted away what was the question before that yeah you were at the forefront frank when it came out about mental health it wasn't really spoken about then like yeah how hard was that like the especially the newspapers like they should be supporting people who are struggling or battling like the front pages with like bonkers frank's kind of making a fool of you yeah it was a sad deal i mean but rebecca way there's a news journalist she works for rid of murder there's a guy called andy andy used to be a um editor of the the news of the world he lost his job but i don't know how these people can crucify people distract people's lives and things that they can walk around normally but i took a lot from from him but i made a lot of money when i retired because i knew they were saying that i was being paranoid in my own car when my car was bugged they bugged my house they did that all different things just get a story and it weren't nice being chased like that because especially when you know that the people outside your house and what shouldn't be outside your house but yeah i'm happy so i've had paul gas going on as well who's became a good friend and he was the same like when you're hit that height of fame the only people you can kind of turn to is your close friends and family but oh every one of his every time he was speaking to them it would be leaked so he started blaming them and ended up becoming more lonely because he thinks everybody's speaking to tons against them but it's because of press where bugging his house bugging his his phone nice you know living your life paranoid that someone's got you at the surveillance and watching whatever you do if you get outside your house and there's a car waiting to follow you wherever you go but yeah as i'll say to you you know i mean it weren't nice living that sort of like life for a very long time but people said i was paranoid but i'm not paranoid i'm pretty aware of what's going on yeah because you used to leave bottles at gin at paul's door empty bottles press the door he used to come out pick them up put them in the bin and he used to the headlines where paul gas coins drinking again powerful but sometimes you need them to get make you famous but the younger the earlier days the journeys were very very straight up there had birds all over the place wherever we went to america we went to italy or whatever there were good journeys that you could bounce off on another but when they bring in the evil choppers and they're talking about you're doing this what we're not doing no more different than what you you genies are doing you know i mean and then they're there following us from the fire all over the world but they're not nothing's written about them but they were the crucified people we've had enough of them they are buried people it's not nice to sell headlines because the media the media do kill people and it's it's a proven fact that what they've said about people and it's pushed people over the edge because people believe what they read people believe what they watch i don't really read it no it's that it's fishing ship paper in it so after that then 2003 your section frank what was it beforehand was did you know deep down your your mental health was slipping or it was slipping to a little bit because i've got a lot of politics from the kids and the x y from whatever i can't use it as an excuse but it went on for a long time and the woman's school night nice were you smoking a lot of weed i'm a little bit that fries your fucking nut like that it depends on how you get this sensible stuff what make you feel like a professor yeah it must have been getting too too much crumbs i was getting shit grown from the gorbwls frank that was fried my fucking nut because we we think that that then becomes a the escape my drink it's not an escape it depends what you take how you take and how much you take you know i mean if you got in prison and you got Bob Marley there you're going to use that like soul in you and take your time of it you know i mean but some people hugs they want to put the whole thing in there they don't like they're called good or easy shit they're fine but if you take your time man and get the right sort of stuff it mirrors you out so in 2003 then when you get sexted what was it like in there frank how hard was that for you it went nice and tall you know i mean people coming up to your challenging you and different things like that and there's some people needs help in there but i don't think the help but the the people are giving them you know i mean it's any good at all just using people like puppets see beforehand did you know deep inside that there was something wrong or did you just think you were fine when i was born i knew there was something wrong i've always got in trouble if i mean i didn't yeah i was always from the being the family of six i was the one that always pulled drama to the table i didn't mean it but i was hanging out with the wrong sort of people and it was exciting and you know i mean next week i was using the police fan coming home i was trying to be home in the way the frank warned uh say that he was going to stay in the frank who's frank frank warren yeah did he say that he was going to stay in what if you in 2003 after the fight yeah no no i didn't have nothing because he moved on to the other fight when he got shot frank he's a nice guy but he's just a lot ruthless he does blunt and i don't blame for being blunt because when you get shot and someone's trying to take your life and you ain't got no choice but to be sharp on the point and don't mention around so in 2003 was that when you were diagnosed with bipolar in 2003 i think when i was about about eight ten i was something going wrong in me yet very you know i mean about that age but fully coming out might be the day you just said because a lot of people don't quite understand that i was everything like this is kind of spoken about now mental health yeah there's labels free away everywhere everybody goes through it but some men don't like to admit it women can cry talk about it get things off their plate but men you wouldn't know like a man like yourself will come in and but maybe having stress and definite bills just coming through so some men hide it some come learn how to hide it you know with pressure do you think that's where they should be dealt with it's men speaking up more i think they've got to speak up more you know i mean there might be all men in this room but if i was to ask them what's going through their head they've got some sort of like drama going on some sort of like deal with stress in the mouth but i'm not fully avoiding all medium but i'm a double extra large but there's something going wrong not something going wrong but some sort of drama going on in their life and in their head or someone's giving them stress of course man that's why suicide rates so high it's done men's because it's we don't speak enough men i i believe always say this but men are the sensitive ones we're totally bought the up man up you can handle it let's stop crying and then that's where we suppress all our feelings and emotions and then 10s where years down around it comes to head we don't know what to do how to deal with it doctor yeah doctor james so after 2003 what was the steps to getting you back into normal routine and getting fit and healthy i mean my trainer jules said that when you retire from boxing it's going to be the hardest fight of your life i didn't quite understand what he said but it was you know i mean when you're getting divorced and you're going through this and they're trying to get you out of the house and saying you've done this and the different ones what but it gave me strength to be stronger and not take no bullshit no more but yeah sad for the kids you know what i mean but at the end of the day that's how life goes because we touch on mental health as well but was it your courts jaws took his own life he hanged himself you know what i mean sometimes you you have people around you and that would be the last thing i would have thought he was old school brought up tough on the market or whatever he was a very very natural man but god bless you so how a man could do something like that beyond me does that make your question things as well frank when you see somebody who you think would never go down that route but then you get the phone called to say that he has powerful shit man when someone brings you i think he's doing his son rang me i'll just drop the phone couldn't believe it but i'll say it goes so when you start to pick up pieces did you start getting fit and strong again did you start training yeah i trained every day i'll do some people might think i'm another but i trained last night about quarter 12 this morning and trained again so within them 24 hours i trained twice and i wish i would have bought me kit down so i could never see but and soon i could this is the place i'll go all the time to chill out is that what keeps your demons at bay frank it's nice yeah it does keep me yeah i mean if i don't exercise i could be a run person to be run not run but i'd like to you know i mean hit the bag and weight circuits and all different bits and pieces how much does the punches to the head as well play a part thank you i think it does play a part if it plays a part in football what do we boxing stand it must do you know i mean but yeah Muhammad Ali had some former Parkinson's they say it was boxing but anybody that tells you punching the head is good for you they're not right in their heads it's a very dangerous sport but it's a sport that us men or gladiators will come out and make some money for the family and for yourself that's what i call us gladiators seeing it was very well documented about your mental health did other people come forward and speak openly about it also yeah it did a lot of people come forward a lot of ladies come forward as well because you don't know a larger up with a shutdown they've had for borderline two years this shutdown with um boris a lot of people are confused you know i mean a lot of people are not happy with them putting on so much weight and they want to lose it and get them back into their routine but it's a mental thing what a lot of people are going through because some people have uh they haven't got spending money or backup money or whatever and they're in pain what do you do when you're struggling what do i do yeah i need the bag man or go for a long run chill out come down the hill farm you're going to the steamer fleso and you think that's the keep sure that balance is the setting yourself a goal if you were to run a marathon if you wrote half marathon you would set yourself a goal and pace yourself that's what i'm thinking in your mind to keep healthy it's not easy running 30 miles or a marathon but set yourself a goal doing something do you think there's enough place things in place for boxers trying to help them after boxing um this i think baybyr greegan was trying to get a house where boxers could go because all the money that boxers made is a total of a sentence yet a little bit another home that any boxer what has been professional years ago should go into but that's been talked about for a long time of nobody's come forward in you know i mean getting it going because the percentage of money that boxers actually get is is shocking like the money they get for the it's not every boxer is it most of them the mayweather's and some other hibu hibu hibu guys from america but not all of them they're trying to be showman or whatever but mayweather is out there on his own you look at tyson fury as well he's another one who's very openly about mental health and you see how far he's slipped and to claw that back is unbelievable but that's why i class him as one of the greatest all time not just inside the ring but outside that life definitely definitely your interview with him as well was powerful like i didn't see it but i was like no i hope he was in it right but i don't know if you say so like no i was class man like to see two strong men like two guys who were willing to fight anybody on this planet to then see them unhealthy weak and battling and then speaking openly about its fucking powerful i'm telling you man i mean women are easy living around did i mean but yeah he's got about six kids any size but lovely kids they look like and his wife looks very lovely and yeah good luck to him you always speak highly of tyson fury i've tried to put in people's heads um they that's because he's a gypsy they don't they talk bad against him but i said take away the gypsy he is the number one heavyweight which in boxing can you get three stone heavy than your bone if he's supposed to be a um a light a middleweight you've got a weight he had a stone six on the bottom a cruiser weight 13 stone 13 at borderline heavyweight is 14 stone and he's got up to nearly 20 stone how do you think tyson would be against make tyson tyson fury is a tricky guy and he thinks on his feet and they work out a plan which i don't think they will fight tyson fury tyson tyson mike tyson as oh shit i'm blind they don't think they'll go for the mike tyson history it's been made tyson has done very very well the white um tyson fury has done very very well i don't think they'll i'll be a very very shocked if it is because i know my tyson is broke at the moment it may be happening but i can't see it who do you think both of them at that prime who do you think with one well tyson fury doesn't he's praying but i'm a primate tyson i don't mean to many people could have beaten him you can go against him because he would need to watch all these knockouts there were tough guys the guys of Trevor Burby he was a good guy Larry Holmes he weren't there you know me but he's full tucker bum crush a smith you know i mean he fought everybody that was around in the heavyweight division at that time you know i mean and what mate meant the name he was beautiful seem you see tyson fury slipping seem you want to see him winning all the belts undefeated and then you see him putting on all the weight that that ever reminds you of yourself as well that means he put some weight because his advance is over the opponent that's why he put some weight no when he had his depression when he went up 20 yeah yeah yeah did you see the tell tell signs yeah i remember watching him he had went them um weeks on and sitting down and just looking at the space you know i mean he used to do some odd things you know i mean go on the binge for certain days and whatever but sometimes a man has strapped things going on in the head so i don't know what happened in his private life i wouldn't like to get involved in there but everybody has some form of disturbance in the head yeah i think it's unbelievable for what he's achieved and he's an icon and a role model for people with mental health including yourself who speak very openly about that you had an interview with mate tyson when how did that come about when your new documentary last year they want us to go over to miami to do help with the tyson documentary but what we have to put things up your nose and squared it around and take this head and motorbike right outside waiting to go and deliver it it's crazy but it came out all right in the end how was it coming face to face with me again it was all right no hassle sometimes with my when he's got the entourage around him that's what troubles some leaks all the runners what you know mean they should be getting involved with but getting by himself he was very constructive laughed and he went along with the the flow that everything shouldn't go on did you have a good conversation off camera no no no i don't think you're never off camera you're never off camera but yeah but yeah he was all right you know he's he's everybody weed now and he he's a gunja plant yeah he's got a weed farm as a smoking when you were there um i didn't see i don't know my lord yeah he does his podcast and he's eating he's eating fucking mushrooms and oh yeah listen even the smoking to encourage kids to go you should leave there if you want to do that in doors you can do that but he gets near the mark you know i mean with kids and not near the mark with kids but even known for women you know i mean and you can't you can't be who you want to but you can't pick out who you want because that's someone's child but you're trying to explain things to him he was thinking that he could walk on water the people around him were getting him this getting him that and he was out of his box all the time you know yeah do you do you see that then because the boxing in the 90s is what i remember it from yourself guys that make tyson like and in vegas like the money use like tyson was on like 40 50 million a fight back then that some fighters don't even get that now but because when you were agreeing to terms that you were only getting one third of the puss is that correct i don't know one third at all i know that you know i mean supposed to be Mike Tyson at the time he must have got 40 million legislally and i was a champion so i should have got that might be none of them were cool but i don't particularly can get into it because it was might wind up frank or whatever but if you think that a heavy weight is a champion he should get them more more money yes or no yeah i'll rest my case on it just by management then at some points on it was a little bit but frank will allow hemry brentman to come up stairs to draw out a contract with me the strange shower with the set of signs the contract and not have another lawyer or someone look over it and one or two things even the money was not as good but the money's only money how do you think looking back now your career frank when you talk about it does it bring back a lot of emotion yeah it does bring a lot of emotion right good fun i'm missing beautiful people up and down all the way around the world and yeah there's certain different things that i'm going to fulfil and go around the world and yeah just have a laugh man sometimes a laugh is a tonic and it takes up the pressure but sometimes you you can't like laugh at all the stress that's around you but i'll try and keep away yeah because you all know this and you've been sectioned a few times but when you're floating about gorbos people must have thought your fucking head had really gone i thought it was weird in a banana suit and they were taking the piss out of me the scottish you know me into that banana yeah and whatever and this went yeah all right no problem this is Glasgow i'm not saying nothing because sometimes you get a little trouble marking the face so you know they are these small guys isn't they listen i love Glasgow but it's fucking weird like how long you up there for frank i was up there for about two three weeks she went to do a hairdress and i was up on the balcony with a piece of wood to try to get strong just the tablets what they're giving me i didn't know where they were taking me but they weren't taking me to the right place i wanted to go that was the experience in the gobbles and they i big man the big fit big man they will call me or whatever i was fun yeah what are you doing over here the same thing you're doing sleeping yeah that's my fun about four years i went yeah it's a good place loyal working class region scottish are very very good people man what sort of your medication on that now frank the other medication the one i'm not too short it's called a depo in your backside google it man you know is any like a zombie and does that make you go through the day okay um yeah i'll get through the day okay i've got no problem i need nothing's i think it's actually my ass to get through the day far anybody that's watching frank that's maybe struggling with mental health and doesn't really see a way out what advice would you have for them first thing to do is talk to somebody get it off your plate or hunt for somebody that could help you there's a lot of different charities what people are getting involved with that you can dial them up and they would talk to you it's vital where to go even the frank bruno foundation they've got people going on doing them things but we're not quite there yet because we've got to tie it up and get the right sort of like stuff yeah it's a great foundation i spoke to a big big martin ford he's a big oh that big i see him the other day doing boxing he was um it was pretty good very flexible i spoke to him last night he was asking for you wasn't he yeah wicked nice very very i fought big lump but see him there was in front of the mirror and he's very acrobatics he was rolling all over the floor like a nut yeah yeah yeah but yeah i'm very i'm glad it's evolved for the charity you know yeah he's got a feat coming up and what and he's fighting a guy called the hulk the reigning hulk or something okay it's the biggest heavyweight feat of all time i think is it yeah like both 20 odd stone no but there's something odd you know i mean a 20 odd stone it should be about 16 stone or 15 stone but the the sweet the sweeties allegedly is overtaking his body first in that big his big old lumpiny yeah they're massive yeah yeah a good luck to him so all your life frank let's say you've had an amazing career it's unbelievable what you've achieved six books how was it writing this book it was good you know nick owing is a very very good writer and a very very good man and he just wanted to everybody else to write write the books so what can't i not write the book or dictate to write what's in the book well yeah it's good to really read does it get tired and frank like talking about your past and bringing it up i don't get tired and sometimes the person of people don't know you or they don't know what you do or think they know what you do it's difficult to explain them what you've done over the years but i've done so many different things i've got after the things what i'm doing and i think i haven't finished my chapter in my life here there's a lot of different things that i want to do and i think i will to do and follow it up if i take my time would you ever have our exhibition for you there was talk about that the other day bow was looking about an exhibition fire but if you go one exhibition fire you've got to fight another exhibition fire and you've got to get some gangsters to promote the the fire or whatever i don't know if it was right i wouldn't turn it away because everybody i think i'm in better shape than a lot of them there um to be quite honest but if the money is right i will take it watch your plans for the future frank just try to be happy and this this is your life bro they'll come down here quite a lot of the time when i live about 15 20 minutes away but i've heard you just looked after me very very well when i've got the fools to stay down there for seven years and free a charge or whatever so sometimes when i'm feeling down at home just come in and chill out and just walk around and they've got a lot of facilities for you can do what about a british boxer now frank is there anybody that's caught your eye a lot of them are catching my eye there's a lot of them coming out in the cruiser weights and the heavy weights is going to be a bit confusing and and like heavy weight that that error and borderline middle weight and moving up is a very very good error and you see some good boxes hungry belly guys want to do well for themselves yeah well you and lennard slows kind of had the blueprint for heavy weight boxing now you've got uh josh you are you've got ties and fury letters rich boxing's thriving just now scott my Scottish guy josh taylor as well on this big weight no he's uh lightweight i'll say heavy weight with the scottish flag on was that you got a white big man probably has but i don't know my i just know josh taylor he's he won all the belts he's he's flat josh taylor oh yeah yeah yeah unbelievable is he scottish yeah unbelievable it's josh taylor and there's another josh josh josh warrington he may be one of the judges or whatever he's from sandlin leads no no he's from sandlin the boxer josh kelly kelly he's from sandlin they're good good nice but i think if i saw him fight his last um fight last last time before he went he needs strength in his body he's got a lot of skill but when he's fighting big bigger name guys he needs that a little bit more strength in his body you know i mean but yeah if i see him i'll try and put that to him because he's got all the skills under the earth see him you watch boxing frank does it make you excited does it make you sad like you can't do it like you're not doing yeah that's sad sometimes i've only been in boxing his favorite nerve wreck in a low place but you're always a lot by yourself or whatever i'm just glad i finished it it's not an easy game to put your mind through put your mind body through or whatever so i've done what i had to do but if somebody's head wastes i want to do exhibition it's a manager i will take it who would you fight who who would you any one of them fair fucking play yeah but you know i mean i'm the to be quite honest if i were to fight him i would put them under my rules because them guys are very tricky you know and they've been doing this um whatever they're doing for years and now about allegedly tablets to take or what to take because holifield got beaten the other day got knocked out or beaten in the first round that i never would have heard of that in the million years but i would like to just if they come up to me i've got some things for them anyway exclusive i've seen that fight man that was sad to watch so the holifield fight watched it man i didn't like that what i was seeing weird didn't it and it still wasn't come back would you believe that why do you think that is frank because there's something missing money money my tyson is coming back because he's broke he needs money and i'm not saying that behind his back he will tell you if you look at his thing he's he's broke for anybody watching who's in boxing involved in boxing what advice would you give for them frank look after yourself look after the pennies and you know i mean try and enjoy this very very tough game try and be fit and make as much money and be like a school as john franz used to say make a school put a little bit here and there because it's short live boxing frank for coming on today brother telling your story we've really enjoyed it no problem absolute legend would you like to finish up on anything listen god bless you frank i'll leave the link for all the descriptions for the book get make sure you get the book and take care and i look forward to seeing you if you have a fight for the future take care brother