 No reporters, because a reporter might ask him a question and he wouldn't know the answer. You understand? Thank you very much. Oh, please. Well, this is the first for me. This is the first time I've ever seen anything, and while I knew I was going to see a ship being loaded here, I hadn't quite pictured what it was like, and I just speculated here to Dick in showing us around, and if somebody punched a hole in the bottom of that, it still wouldn't sink. Now with the load it's got here. You know, coming in here, I happen to remember a lot of years back that the first time that I came to Tacoma was for the premiere of a movie that I was in called Tugboat Annie Sales Again, and I remember they brought us in the last stretch on a yacht, and they had fire boats out there putting on a display and everything, and then that night they saw the movie, and the next morning there we were all alone out on the curb trying to flag down a cab, kind of a change of attitude, and probably correctly, listen I'm not going to stand here and try to make a speech or anything, I know we've only got a few minutes to visit, and it's just occurred to me, there must have been some times when you said if I had a chance to ask him would I, well go ahead, you got a question or something on your mind, maybe we could have a dialogue instead of a monologue, what's that? Leave him Sunday morning, the reason is I'm from here going down to the ranch, have a couple of days on horseback, but it's all a thing of trying to break the change to the time zone difference, see there, 13 hours time difference between there and our Washington time, now here it's 10 hours difference, and what we're going to do is have a couple of days there to get changed this three hours of it, then we're going to stop in Honolulu for two over nights there, and then one in Guam, and hope by that time that we're getting closer to their time, these last several days, you know every once in a while I stop and think, you know here it is the middle of the afternoon, and what time is it in China, well it's the middle of the night, and I've been wondering about when I'm going to find my eyes closed, and it'll be at the wrong time, so I think everyone that's been there before says this is the way to do it, somebody with something, something else, what? Oh, an awful lot of meetings, it's a, it's a really a working trip, we're, Premier Zhao was in Washington, you know, and we made an exchange that after his visit I would go there, we'll be taking up matters, have to do with just what's happening here in this dock, trade matters with them, negotiating out some tax differences so that back and forth people not only working there, but investment and so forth that they've opened up to, American investment there won't be taxed double, and we're hoping to negotiate out a number of things and trade agreements that will build up more trade, they have now become our third largest trading partner in the world, and I know I was just talking here that five years ago they didn't import any lumber in the United States and 1983 it was almost 800,000 board feet, and I think it's, I think we can get that even bigger and increase it more, so the schedule is very tough, very minimum of sightseeing, at least we get to see the Great Wall, a couple of things like that, but the rest of it is very lengthy meetings. We'll mainly be in Beijing, we'll go up among the sightseeing things, we'll go up to that 3,000-year-old capital where they've uncovered all those terracotta soldiers and all life-sized figures, but that's just for a visit of that kind and the Great Wall, but then we'll go to Shanghai where there's a lot of American investment now, in fact I'll be going through a company there that is half and half, it's a partnership deal with an American private company and the Chinese government and also visit the university outside Shanghai and from their home by way of Alaska, what? Well it's good, it's about 15 days from the start this morning from Washington, now the fourth day we'll be leaving, actually it'll be, we'll be seven days in China, yep I'll meet her down in California, she left early to stop and visit her mother in Phoenix and we'll yeah we'll be going together, anything else? Yes, yes that is open and we've been dealing with Japan on more open trade and some changes in tariffs and so forth, particularly with regard to wood and paper products that they've kind of had a restricted market to us and that's, we were there some time ago and Prime Minister Nakasone is all, he's really honestly and sincerely wants to have better trade relations with us, he's got some political problems and I can understand that, I got some too. President, we've got time for about one more question I think, one more, I'll take it though, yeah and I know I'm going to be talking about that at this next meeting that I go to here, yes we know that this interest rate is still a problem, you do know though that the housing industry has staged a comeback that is unbelievable, almost the the rate, now there was a drop in March but that drop was only down to about 1,600,000 rate of starts where the previous month that had been about 1,000 or I mean 1,900,000 and so the whole average for this last year since the recovery started is very good, as a matter of fact February was I think a record, an all-time record for housing starts, there's no question that this is still a problem, right now those interest rates, there are two explanations for them staying where they are, one of them is is on the positive side, they're up there because of the recovery, the old law of supply and demand, there is so much recovery going and business investment in plant and equipment and so forth, consumer borrowing to buy installment purchases and so forth, automobiles, heavy appliances and so forth that that has kept it up, but the other one I think is just plain pessimism, the money market out there still isn't willing to let the money go on loan at a lower rate until they're sure that we really have got control of inflation, well inflation is now this is going to the third year that we've had it down below 4% and I think that they're being unnecessarily pessimistic, I have a hunch that if the Congress comes back from this recess, if they'll go forward with this cut in spending that we want this program to start quiddling away at that deficit, I think maybe this could reassure the market and we would see before too long these interest rates coming down again, but I know what they mean to the housing industry and I can only tell you that it is right now, it's very healthy and there's been a great surge I think because of the number of years in this recent recession that people have been standing by waiting to buy and of course I know your interest is only just passing in the housing industry, it doesn't mean anything to you, Fred we're going to have to drag the president away, thank you, okay well it's nice to see all of you, thank you very much Take your Jeep for a ride, take your Jeep out for a ride Jim what's the name of the worker who was with the president? What's the name of the worker who was with the president who was walking around with him? And what's he? He's the supervisor of OCR What is he? Supervisor of OCR