 Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. John Wallace. Thanks so much. That's fantastic. Yes, thank you very much. Thank you. What a great way to start the meeting. Let's see. You want to tell us anything about yourself. Mr. Wallace. I have a website if you want to see more. And it is. T U Y A N D B O N E dot com. It's a bit of a weird spelling, but. It's a, it's my website and I keep all my stuff on it and. I also have an account where I keep all my compositions on a site called new score under John's composing hub. But that's a. That's what I've played now. Great. Thanks a lot. Yeah, great medley. Very much. Thank you. Welcome everyone. This video thing figured out. Art in my slowness. There we go. Welcome to the ward five NPA meeting for May. Tonight we have a lot of our. Local and possibly our state representatives. Coming in to give us updates. And, but the first thing that we're going to do is, is start with public forum, but first I want to just run through. A couple of things about the NPA. Let's see if I can do this. Our guiding principles are to provide a safe and welcoming forum. That's accessible to all of our community members. And we try to minimize the various participation. Obviously at this point. A computer is one of those barriers, but we'll be, we'll be working on that this year. We tried to be respectful and inclusive. Culturally and economically aware. And we like to be a fun and a vital organization. So that means we try to bring in different topics at different times of the year. This time we have a little bit more of a traditional. A little bit of a lifestyle schedule with a lot of, a lot of updates, but you know, according to our. A recent survey, people really like that part of the meeting. So I don't think we're doing wrong. We also want to try to value many perspectives, try to bring in, you know, different sides of an issue when, when it makes sense. And we don't make any endorsement of political candidates. We just bring everybody to the table during those particular meetings when we have. We're going to start with the next slide. And here's your current steering committee. We have Shearston. Billy, myself, Joe, Jillian. Nate Scott. Andy and Ben, I think they're probably all on. We knew that Scott was going to be here. He had a important engagement. So. Welcome everyone. And I think that's about the last couple. I have like two more updates. I have this quick little page about using zoom. If you're not currently a. A, what's it called presenter or a co-host or whatever. You'll have these controls where you can raise your hand to kind of get attention. And then we'll, we'll get you unmuted so that you can speak up. During the. During the public forum, though, we like to try to have everybody available to kind of be on the presenter mode. So it looks a little bit different then. And this is my little pitch. I did the last two months ago, but now almost everyone in the state is eligible. 12 and up. So, you know, if you really need me to remind you, you probably didn't. But, you know, even the kids know, so that's really great. And finally, it was one piece of news that just came out today that I think they're trying to push out quickly. They're going to close the end of Flynn right over by the lake. None of the neighborhood streets that I could tell. I think that's all I had. So I'll just go on to the agenda. And so the first item here. Is the public forum. And I just wanted to note that, you know, you may have looked at the agenda earlier. We're not a hundred percent sure that we're going to have the state reps. That Tiff and Gabriel at the end. So we'll try to figure that out during the next hour or so. They were really kind of crunched for the, they're still in session and kind of barely got out, but they need to look at the budget for a vote tomorrow. So we're going to excuse them if they can't make it. So that's all I have. And I'll go back to normal mode here. Anybody like to bring anything up for a public forum. Andy. You didn't need to unmute though. And Simon from the steering committee. I am a hundred percent sure that Tiff and Gabriel are not going to be here tonight. Tiff. Had an or Gabrielle and Tiff had been trying to get through to the steering committee, I guess. To see if that were possible. And Tiff called me out. A little while ago. Just to. Basically she didn't even have to say what it was about. She was so exhausted that. They're just totally crunched this time of year at the end of the session and. Felt that they really needed it as Joe said, they really needed it. And I'm going to go into the, this huge budget bill that. Is coming up for debate tomorrow and. Ask if they could be excused and. I took. Took the reins of power and said yes. So. There's plenty of other stuff on the agenda that we can extend a little bit. And there are plenty of things to talk about. So they'll be on the agenda. So I'm going to go into that. Thank you. Thanks. All right. Thanks, Andy. See if there's any other. Hands raised or. Maybe just. You can unmute yourself actually. At this point. You would like to say something. Maybe Carolyn. Yes. Yeah. Evening. Good evening, everyone. I have. Been doing books. A book on street mirrors of Burlington and through that. Tony Shaw. He passed away about a month ago. But in the meantime, I started a book on Tony Shaw, who is a local artist. Died at age 30. Excuse me. 76, but he's been here for about 50 years. And he's done murals all over town, plus a lot of paintings. With a sort of tongue-in-cheek sense of humor. And he's been here for about a year. And he says, Tony, let's take his artwork, about 50 pieces. And put some of it in Sequoia salon, which is 39 Kilburn street, Burlington. It's on the northeast corner of the Lane press building, which goes between Curtis lumber, pine street. And St. Paul street. The show will be up through June 25th. The show will be up until June 25th. And there are only a lot of people in the building at any one time. And the, the salon will be working on people's hair. There are four banners. One of them is a life-size mirror. You could stand up in front of take a photo, send it to me. And it'll be in his book. And I'll paste it on. Facebook. The phone number to call is 802. And you'll see it's about six or seven large prints. One of his clocks where he went and all sorts of little chalk skis. And he glued them to the clock. And there will be two original paintings there. And as they said, then you can sit down at the books and go through. And if you want to buy them, you can buy them at the store. You can buy them at the store. And as they said, then you can sit down at the books and go through. And if you want to buy prints, the eight 10s or $60, the money is going to go to a fund that supports local artists. And there's also a bulletin board there that I'll show you some bio. Read some bio. And you can see some photos of Tony Lee as a kid. And when he's grown up painting. And the other one is the one that's visible is the one on onions, which is on the corner of North Champlain and North street is some Northwest corner building, but you want to go to the North side and see his take on the fish bands concert. And he's got a clock going there with legs and he's got a head going there with a staircase, coming out of its head. He has a hospital bed being rolled down the street. He has someone climbing a ladder to who knows where and he has a snowman and Santa and he has a tree hugger that the tree is hugging the tree hugger. So there's a lot to see just in that mirror. You might want to go up and see it, but please go to Sequoia Salon 802-540-8333 through June 25th and enjoy Tony Shull SHULL artwork. Thank you so much. And if you take a picture in front of that mural, we can put you in his book too. Thank you. Thanks, Carolyn. Oh, I guess I could have shown a picture, couldn't I? That's all right. You can go to my Facebook page and see some recent posts with two Ward 5 people, Michael Egan and Melanie Brods are just there. Thank you. I thought your description was great. Should I mute myself now? Is that what I do somewhere? I never, yeah. I mute myself, right? All good. Thanks a lot. All right. Let's see if you have anybody else that would like to bring something up at the public forum. Good one. Good one. I just want to give you some photos, Joe. I think that that slide on the public works project is really great to have in there and it's just a quick update in the beginning and while it's on the top of my head, I just want to say thanks for doing that and we might as well do that in the future. So, oh, and for the record, Naila and Terry steering committee member living on the corner of Pine and Maple. So thanks, Joe. Thanks, Nate. Yeah, probably isn't all the news that's going on, but it was something that came across my desk this morning and it seemed like it was, I don't know, maybe a lot of people already knew about it. It seemed like they were trying to urgently kind of spread the word, so yeah, threw it in there. Thanks a lot. This is Billy Clark. I'm a steering committee member as well on Locust Terrace. I just wanted to say that I'm really hoping we can head back to in-person meetings in the not terribly distant future. I'm starting to get more optimistic than I've been in a long time about a future where we can all be sitting in a space together. Maybe the next one would be outside or something, but Zoom has increased access for some, but I think it's been a barrier for a lot of people and so I do hope that we can get together in the future and it seems like that's coming up soon, so just wanted to flag that for everyone is that hopefully nothing's finalized yet, but hopefully we can all be meeting in person maybe even next time or sometime up coming soon. Thanks Billy. Just got to get that pavilion built at Callaghan because maybe we'll do it before that happens. Book ledge is an option. All right, I'll ask if anyone else wanted to bring something up here during the forum portion. We're just about at 720, so we're not going to be fine to move ahead. We'll have everybody here. The next item is actually the steering committee elections, so now as far as I know, the people that are running for steering committee are the current steering committee unless there was any nominations that would occur during the meeting I guess right now. I want to just say, you know, go ahead and interrupt me if you are going to nominate someone, but Lucia, do you have the deck of pictures and stuff that you put together for us because I don't have that like ready at hand. Maybe you can share that in a moment. Sure. I think I can pull that up pretty quickly. Okay. Thank you. There was no additional nominations as far as I could see, so it looks like we can move ahead and there was a community member that actually reached out and asked if we were going to kind of give our bio, I think we didn't quite give like a full biography, but one sentence will have to do one or two sentences. So I figured like maybe we go through these, we just have like a picture slide for each person and maybe, you know, that committee member will speak up and run through this quick and we'll just kind of move down. Sound okay? I can get us started if that makes sense. Can you guys hear me okay? This is sort of weird. I don't see other people. Okay. So my name is Shearston Bone. I've been a steering committee member with the Word 5 NPA for the past two years. I live on Dunder Road, which is right at the end of Oakledge Park. I'm a mom of two boys and I've lived in this neighborhood for about five years and my sentence is there on the slide, but you know, what's important to me about serving on the steering committee in the NPA is just helping to make neighborhood and city conversations accessible to people, trying to make them have less jargon and more clear content and opportunity for questions and feedback. And so that's the role I hope to continue to play on the steering committee. During the day I work for VSAC. I oversee statewide programs that support students in pursuing education after high school. So I bring that lens as well and interest in education and perspective as a parent in the community. Hi, everyone, I'm Lucia Campriolo. It's so nice to see everybody tonight. Thanks for being here. So I'm seeking re-election, I suppose, for a third year of service as steering committee member. I am a parent of two young children here in the south end, one of whom attends the Pine Forest Children's Center, which is over in the Select Design building, and the other is wrapping up first grade at Champlain Elementary School. My husband, Joe, and I moved to Burlington about five and a half years ago and were drawn immediately to the south end neighborhood where we live on the corner of Pine and Lyman and really still enjoy so much kind of the close knit community that we find here in Ward 5. And so I think for me, you know, that is really what I've enjoyed so much about my first two years of service and what I hope to continue, you know, to do as a steering committee member going forward is the opportunity to create community connections. So I value this space so much as a time each month to kind of come together and learn from community members to exchange ideas, to, you know, enjoy each other's company and have some fun and especially Billy on your note, have some fun together in person, hopefully very soon. So, yeah, I think that's I think that's it. Thanks for your past support and I hope to continue to serve you well. Thanks, Lucia. I've got a little bit of background noise here, so I'm going to try to stay on mute. But Billy, we're doing an alphabetical order. It looks like you're up next. It looks like I'm up next. Sounds good. So hi, my name is Billy Clark. I've been on the steering committee for one year. I live on Locust Harris with my wife and my two girls who are three and two. They also both attend daycare in Ward five right down the street and playing Callihan Park every day and run through the neighborhood. I, you know, have so enjoyed being on the steering committee and being a part of the NPA to sort of build these connections with neighbors and to, you know, just bring people together. I really do so as I was just saying before, so look forward to the times where we're all going to be able to be back in the same room and, you know, just be together in this small town that is Burlington. It's such a such a special place in Ward five in the south end in particular. Drive that home that, you know, your neighbors are really your neighbors, the really people you connect with. And I just hope that the NPA can continue to be a place where we bring people together and advance those goals. So. All right, thanks a lot. All right, I'm up now. So my name is Joe Dairy. I've lived at the top Ferguson since three. I was on the steering committee for a year and a year off and I'm back for another year, so I guess to total. The rule is that in our bylaws, they can't serve more than five years in a row. So I'm good. And I think I don't know if you have anybody that will time out in this year or next, but Lucia had us all keep track of our totals. So we'll be able to see as we run through this so far. I haven't seen more than two years. I originally joined kind of to be more engaged locally. I was feeling a little bit disappointed with how national politics was going a couple of years ago. And I don't know, maybe a little bit more hopeful now. But I felt like pouring my efforts into the local scene would feel a little bit better. And it really did. And I've been trying to be a better listener to all my my neighbors and what their concerns are and present what I hope are moderate opinions. And if you don't know what this next part means, maybe you don't need me, but as a tech fixer for the for the NPA, which was a little bit different when it was in person. It was there was a lot more cables and stuff. But now, you know, maybe knowing how to use Zoom or something is helpful. So thanks again for your consideration. All right, I am unmuted. It's weird because I can only see so. So hi, I am Jillian Currie. I live almost at the top of Flynn Avenue. I'm like across from the service entrance of Burlington, Subaru. I've been on the steering committee for one year. And, you know, I have my little sentence here, but I do. I serve on the NPA to help facilitate meaningful conversations and connections between all of our neighbors when we all divided up into our individual teams within the steering committee. It was an easy choice for me to choose the moderation committee, and I have really enjoyed serving in that role on the steering committee, moderating the meetings both to make sure all of our neighbors voices are heard and also making sure that everybody's time is respected. So, yeah, that's who I am. Jillian, Nate. Hey, everyone, Naila and Terry, as I mentioned before, I live corner of Pine and Maple Street and I'm just about finishing on my first year on the NPA. And, you know, I think that there's a lot of strength in the the concept of a community. You know, when people come together to collectively address the problems that we see or come together to to celebrate the great things that we individually have or that we come together and make in the NPA is a really pretty uniquely positioned body where it's got interfaces with the government, but it's really the city government, but it's really a citizen board and, you know, that that ability to kind of be this nexus for a lot of these different conversations between neighbors and kind of do this community building activities really excite to me and I really hope to be able to continue doing that, especially as we're, you know, over the past year as we've had to reconsider some things in our in our new format. It's been really fun and exciting to kind of see what we have as the NPA right now and and create a vision for where we want to go to to best serve all of our neighbors. So I've been happy to do that for the past year and I hope to continue doing that. So thanks for that. Thanks, Dave. Scott wasn't able to make it. He had an important engagement tonight with the doctorate for someone close to him. So I'll speak for him. And so Scott lives on St. Paul Street. He's been with us for two years and he is here to facilitate connections between neighbors. I'm going to read his his bit. You know, he's he's been a good representative for us and very crucial this month on setting up this current agenda and outsized role, I would say. So we're very grateful to have him with us. He also said the NPA is critical for community building and he's grateful to be on the steering committee. So we're grateful to have him again. Thanks, Scott. All right. Who did I forget? I know we have more than more people. Andy around me. Yeah. OK, I'm unmuted. So Andy Simon, I have been on the steering committee for four years now and it is completely astounding how much it's changed. The NPA has changed in these last four years. And I think it's going in a great direction. I'd like to keep it going toward more community engagement, more interesting agendas, really listening to what people want in the meeting. And I think that's where we're going. And so I look forward to another year on on the steering committee. I really think the building community is what it's about. And we've been able to do that. I just the only pitch that I would make is that everybody who's on the meeting tonight, talk to somebody else about the the neighborhood planning assembly and see if you can get them to come either the next whether the next meeting is in person or on Zoom. I'd really like to see some new faces. Thanks, Sandy and out there. Yeah. Hey, Joe Ben, Ben Travers. I've also been on the steering committee for four years. And I'm wondering if you've been on for three years or four years. But anyway, we can do that math later. I'm pretty sure I'm at four years and we cap out at five years, as Joe mentioned. So if reelected here, this will be my last year on the steering committee, at least before taking a one year break, according to our bylaws. My family and I live at Home Avenue and had my camera off most of this meeting because I'm multitasking, getting a couple of little kids to bed here. And we have a third on the way as well. I mentioned there in parentheses that will soon to be moving to South Crest Drive or moving around the corner into a little bit of a bigger house because of the one that's on the way. I agree with everything Andy said. It's been a great honor and privilege to serve with this current steering committee over the years. I think the NPA is headed in an awesome direction here in Ward Five. I love this community. It's the best place I've ever lived. And that's in large part due to the fact that I'm surrounded by so many neighbors and community members that feel the same way that are building a community here and are wanting to make Burlington and the South End and Ward Five a better place. And I love that the NPA is able to serve as a platform and a venue for us to keep that going. So looking forward to another year working with you all to keep that progress going. Thanks. Great. Thanks, Ben. Let us know if you need help carrying your stuff down the hill 200 yards or whatever it is. I'll let you know, Joe. I'm glad you're staying close. All right. So our bylaws, which were amended a year or so ago to include nine members, allow up to nine members. And so we have nine people running so we can do this vote as kind of just a slate, I would say. So what I'd like to have folks do is, you know, we could just be more complicated if you're doing one by one, but we don't have to do that. So if you're willing to vote for the entire group, please raise your hand with the little raise hand function and we'll tally that up. I don't know. I'm going to vote for everyone. So again, I have to scroll. We have enough people that I'll have to scroll. But then we'll do give it a moment here. See how fast I can count. OK, so I think we have 10 votes and we have to have more votes than steering committee members. So I guess that's a that's positive. So also, we'll roll lower your hand. I'm going to lower everyone's hand and we'll raise hands for anyone that would like to. I'm not allowed to raise my hand. I am verbally raising my hand. Thank you for that. Oh, they would have to. I'm up to a much better number now. OK, OK, thanks, everyone. No, let me see if I can. Sorry, I don't understand the controls for this. Liam, if you know how to do it, we'll roll the hands. I might be able to do it. Do you want me to just lower all hands? I found it. OK, is it was anyone that wanted to vote against the overall slate? I am not not for anything personal, but I think I have to do that. So give it a moment for that. So I don't see any hands raised. So I'm going to say that the motion to reelect the committee has passed. And thanks, you. Thank you for your participation, stumbling over those words a little bit. So the next thing on the agenda were kind of on schedule is we. The mayor wasn't able to make it. We do have Jordan the right hand to speak on the about the police chief search. It's Jordan out there. Hi there, Jordan. Good to see everybody. My name is Jordan Riddell and the mayor's chief of staff. I'm also a Ward five resident. So good to be here with all of my neighbors. The mayor is spending May and part of June visiting our neighborhood planning assemblies to talk about our search to find the city's next police chief. And he had a family commitment tonight and wasn't able to make this meeting. But I am glad to be here with you to tell you a little bit about the process, the ways that we're seeking community input and answer any questions you might have. So what I'm going to do, I'm actually going to share my screen to show you our web page on the city's website that outlines some details about the police chief search. I'll just use that as a little outline to guide my comments. So as I said, we are spending May and part of June doing an extensive community engagement process to seek the community's input on the qualities, qualifications and experience and priorities they would like to see for the city's next police chief. And there are several ways that folks remain with their input. One way is to complete our police chief search survey, which is on the city's website and it allows folks to rank the priorities that they rank, those qualities and qualifications they would like to see in the police chief and also just share general input into the process. We, if you also wanted to just send an email to the mayor's email address, we would welcome that as well. We've been getting some input that way. We will be developing, we will be after this public engagement process, we will take all of the input we've received and publish a public engagement report that summarizes that feedback that we heard from the community. And when publishing that public engagement report will also announce the full search committee, which will include up to 11 members. And something that the mayor is doing for the search process, which is different than department head search processes that we've done in the past is that we are opening up one of the seats on the search committee to the community. And we're inviting folks to apply if they're interested in serving on the search committee. And that is another page that you can visit on the website. And we ask folks why they're looking to serve on the search committee and any qualifications or background they think or perspective that they would be able to bring to that committee. And the last thing I'll do before opening it up to questions or feedback is share the timeline that we are hoping to meet for conducting this search. Like I said, we're doing public engagement through early June. In mid June, we'll publish the public, publish a stakeholder engagement report and post position. The search committee will start to begin conducting interviews in July with the goal of selecting three to four finalist candidates. In August, we'll do additional due diligence for those finalist candidates when we appointed the police chief in 2015 in that round of due diligence for finalist candidates. I think more than 50 people participated in that process. So there is a lot of opportunity for community input and engagement. And our goal is that we would be able to announce a police chief appointment in late August or September. So with that, I will stop sharing my screen and I'm glad to answer any questions that folks might have or hear feedback about those qualities or experience that folks are wanting to see in the city's next place chief. I have my pencil here, so I'll take notes if folks wanna share that feedback as well. Thanks, Jordan. It looks like Andy raises hand. Hi, Jordan. My question, I note that there's one community member on the 11 person search committee. Who are the other people who will constitute the search committee? Sure, so by charter actually, two of the members of the search committee will be police commissioners. So I don't, some of the police commissioners have been joining us at the NPA meetings, but the two police commissioners who've been appointed to serve on the committee are Milo Grant and Stephanie Seguino. We'll also have two city counselors serving on the committee. And those counselors are city counselor Karen Paul and counselor Jane Schromberg. We have someone from HR who serves on the committee. And then the rest of the committee members are really, and then obviously the community member. And the other committee members I think will be deciding, the mayor will be deciding who will be appointed in those seats over the next few weeks and reflecting some of the input he's heard as part of this public engagement process. I can speak that in 2015, we had members of the state's attorney's office at that time, part of the committee members that represented different community groups and organizations that were part of the committee. And I expect to have the committee to have a similar makeup for this appointment. Could I just follow up with that and just ask whether, is there any particular effort to get voices from the black indigenous people of color community in Burlington? Because that seems like a crucial element of this choice and something that was reflected in the 2015 search but also was I think neglected to a certain degree in the 2015 search. Is there a focus on that as well? Absolutely. I think that there will be members of the search committee that represent that community. And I also would say I think that is a perspective that Milo Grant brings to the police commission. And I expect that she would bring that to the search committee as well. But it's not just going to be her that brings that perspective. We're expecting to include other folks on the committee that would bring that perspective or to have that background as a person from the BIPOC community. So Billy, have you literally raised your hand? I was hovering over the unmute button. So that's close enough in the Zoom era. Thanks so much, Jordan for coming. One to follow up on Andy's point, I don't know if this is a question or not, but from what I could quickly read of the application for the community member who is going to be on it, I didn't see a question about diversity of perspectives or what those sort of things. And I would think that, I'm sure that's something that would be considered, but I think having a prompt like that so that the community member, whether it is someone from the BIPOC community or just someone who can speak to their experiences in that way and how that that seat would reflect. And it would be nice to know, it sounds like there is a little bit in flux as to a solid number of the committee members. So it would be great to kind of know how the other people are being picked and making sure that all communities are being reflected. I, from what I vaguely recall the passage, I know that having state's attorney and stakeholders involved is important, but I also think, making sure that we're pulling from a wide swath is a very important part, in particular in a process that's been so divisive and been a really central importance to the city. Great, thanks for your question, Billy. I'll say that one of the questions on the application is please use this area to make further comments regarding your candidacy or describe any qualifications that may be relevant to serving on the search committee and from the handful of applications that have come in so far, people are talking, people are using that question to speak to their unique perspective and if they bring their perspective as a BIPOC member of our community, they are talking about it there and offering that that is a perspective that they would bring to the search committee. All right, thanks, Jordan. I can't see any other literal or electronic hands raised, but do you want to give it another second here? Anybody want to just unmute themselves and jump in? Oh, I'm saying Jane is raising their hand. We could do that too. Let the... Be sure to come in out to us tonight. Look forward to this process. Jane, did you have a question? Yeah, I did. There are other communities that can get discriminated against too. People with disabilities, people, or that can seem odd, people with mental health issues. Where is the applications going out? I mean, how is that being publicized? Publicized so that people of communities that get stopped by the police more are going to see them, are going to see the applications. Thanks, how are you publicized? Thanks, Jane. That's a great question. So we've sent, the mayor's office has an email list of about eight or 9,000 people on it. And we've been putting, I think we sent out an announcement through that email list and we sent out a press release that included information about applying to serve on the committee and taking the survey. In the coming weeks, we plan to do more outreach through social media and on Front Forge Forum and hope that we're able to reach more folks that way. So we're giving ourselves a few weeks to make sure we get all channels of communication and maybe hit them a few times each so that folks really get the message that we're trying to hear from them. And so you'll be seeing more and more of communications from us in the next couple of weeks. Thank you, and thank you for noticing that I had raised my hand. Certainly. Joe, I'm just going to jump in. This is Lucia with the steering committee. I also just take notes for the most part during these meetings. And so Jordan, I have a set of links from your website which will be included in the notes and Jane will push those notes. Liam actually, our good pal Liam who keeps us all in line and moving forward. We'll push those notes onto the website. So several of the links will be available there. And I wonder, Jordan, if there's anything that we can do to be helpful as a steering committee to help push the word out for you all. Obviously, we're hearing you here, but and we don't have so many, you know, loud channels but to the extent that we can continue to push the word out I think we'd be happy to do that. Thanks, Lucia. That's a really helpful question. I would say sharing this information through your channels is always useful. There are always folks on other email lists or social media channels that may not necessarily be plugged into our channel. So we always appreciate when folks are able to share the word. I would also just say like having conversations with your neighbors, with your friends in your communities about this process. Sometimes folks aren't really tuned in until the last moment when the appointment is being made and just having those conversations within our neighborhoods and communities that this is the city, this is something that the city is currently undertaking helps kind of spread the word so that folks aren't surprised when in August or September we're announcing the appointment of a police chief and folks are saying, I had no idea that we were searching for a new police chief. So those are the ways and thanks for the question. I'm good to see you. All right, thanks, Lucia. And Jordan, I think we've answered all the questions that have come up so far and I appreciate you coming in again. Great. Well, it's good to see everybody and I hope you have a good rest of your night. Thanks. I believe the next person that we have, I know that I saw Mike earlier. I'm here. I'm off list. There you are. Have a update maybe on a high school construction. So take it away. I have an update on the high school. Let's just leave it like that. So I'm just gonna briefly describe where we are with high school and then open it up for questions. Thank you for the steering committee who give me some bandwidth here. So as you all know, we've been struggling with the PCB contamination at the high school and we've been working the district and our partners have been working to determine where that contamination is coming from, how far it's spread and whether we can remediate it. And the next step to doing that, well, first of all, the news just kept getting worse. And the real shocker to me or the thing for me that was scariest was to find out that the PCB contamination had leaked into the concrete foundation. So that's underneath, that's in the laminate of the floor and then there's a substrate and then into the concrete. So that just that kind of contamination means it's gonna be harder and more expensive to remediate. The next step we were gonna move forward with, okay, let's see if we can fix this building would have been to spend half a million dollars to do a pilot remediation project. So that pilot remediation project would determine if we could fix it with doing those ceilings and sealing up a lot of the sills and other areas. Even when our experts told us and to pretend planning and came out and said even if we spend that half a million dollars that does not guarantee that we'll be able to remediate this for anywhere close to the $7 to $12 million estimate just to remediate the PCBs. We talked to our partners in contracting and they all concurred that the building as we've pulled it apart and detected all these PCBs that campus and most of the buildings in the campus it's just not worth putting the money into to remediate. If we were to spend $7 to $12 to $20 million to remediate we'd still be left with a very old campus that has a lot of fundamental problems. It's essentially a campus built for California but it's built on a hill in Vermont. So the board agreed with Superintendent Flanagan and we decided to halt or stop, I think it's the word we're using, stop the re-envisioning project which all of this was initiated through. That's a really hard decision for the board and because we had worked so hard on this vision a re-envisioning of the campus and we had come out to the community and said we're gonna make this investment in our community and in our kids and now we have to say that's not gonna happen. So a couple of things, conclusions out of that. Number one, the downtown VHS is gonna be home for high schoolers for the foreseeable future and I know that that's a hard message. My, I have two daughters there, one who's a junior who will definitely graduate from downtown VHS and the other's a freshman who started this year, who spent one day in the old building and it's likely that she's going to graduate from downtown VHS and downtown VHS is very, very good but it's not a great high school but it's going to be good enough and we're gonna be working, we've already been working to make it a better home but that's a downside for our community. The other outcome of that decision is we're gonna have to build a new high school somewhere. So how we're proceeding with that is, it's, let me just look at my notes, phase one we're calling it is we're going to be looking at all the sites and evaluating all the sites that we know about in Burlington. So yes, that includes the pit. Yes, that includes the actual building of the grounds that the old high school is on on Institute Road. It includes, we had looked previously at using the baseball field down kind of in the valley. It includes the ledge to the right of where the current high school buildings are and includes a number of other sites including the, it's not the welcome block but a gateway block. So that's the block including Memorial Auditory and that parking lot and the ashes of that lovely motel. So those are the spots, those are the big spots that people have always asked about. But this, we're gonna be using White and Burke firm to help us look for and to make sure we are aware of all the sites that are available. So that process is gonna identify the sites and it will then also narrow our choices and say, okay, here's the best sites. And then those limited number phase two is really gonna get into finding out more about those sites and doing a comparison. This process, all we know we haven't sketched out the whole thing but we know that we wanna get started quickly because we know that it takes a long time for Burlington as a community to make big decisions. And so we wanna start to gather that information and start to disseminate it like I'm doing here and then get input from the community. We also know that putting this burden on taxpayers is a lot. So we're going, we've already started to explore alternate funding sources from anywhere we can to help us pay for this high school. So I wanna get off the soap box now and I'll just open it up for questions. Andy? Mike, thank you for that presentation. The money that was voted by the Burlington residents for the renovation of the high school, can that be applied to the new high school or does that have to be re-voted? It can be applied. The language that was used was maintenance. I forget what the exact can pull it up but it can be applied. And how much, is there any idea of how much more it would take to actually build a new high school? Any number I throw out will be a guesstimate but my own personal take is that, I think when they looked at a new high school a couple of years ago, it was like 120 or 110. So it's gonna be north of that. Mike, I know you said the team was working to move the phase one forward as quickly as possible. Did you mention a timeframe? I just was typing and might have missed a detail there. I do not have a timeframe. We are gonna give an update to the city council on Monday. So there might be some timing on that. The decision was just recently made about to go with Burke and White and just had a structure. So I don't have a timeframe. Carolyn. Thank you very much for coming to us. Actually, I'm really glad we're not using that old building. And I have heard through the grapevine anyway that the present high school has the old blinking flaky fluorescent lights. And I know personally, I've taken fluorescent lights out, use the same structure and put in an LED bulb. So is there some way that we can't get rid of those fluorescent lights and get all LEDs in to that school so they don't get headaches and all the awful, awful things that happen when you work under a single green light that blinks all the time. Are you talking about the- The high school. The O.G. or Institute Road high school. No, the high school where it is right now. Downtown VHS. The downtown VHS. I understand you're using all the old fluorescent lights and people are getting sick and headaches which try to happen to me when I had to work under those. It's just miserable. I'm sorry, I understand what you're saying and I get that. I don't know anything about the lights within the building. Oh, well, I understand there are a lot of complaints and then also there are walls that don't go all the way up to the ceiling. So I would think it wouldn't be too hard to just put a band across the ceiling so that you can seal it so that the sound is better. So the challenge for that is around HVAC, around air circulation. So because of the way the air circulation was done and to save money, we did not run air handlers and vents to the individual rooms. Okay, but let's get the lights fixed, please. I know that there's challenges in the building and I know that the brightness has been, I know that that's a challenge. It was made for showing off the latest fashions and not for studying. So I know that that's being looked at and I know that sound is a concern. So I know those are the two big concerns that the district staff is working on. Okay, just so they're working on it. Sherston. Thank you very much for doing this. It's not easy. I'm in it for the glory and the big bucks. Good. Yeah, thank you, Mike. Thank you so much for all the hard work that you and the superintendent are putting into this. It's really, as parents who see our kids there in the coming decade, we're really, really, really grateful for the time it's putting in now. Is there anything to say about, and this is such a huge systemic question and maybe you're just gonna say, there's no way to talk or think about that, but is the board talking or thinking about the concept of South Burlington, Burlington-Wanooski, so many big schools? There have been discussions about that and there have been initial conversations with those other two districts. The idea of consolidations is happening across Vermont some willingly, some unwillingly. What I have heard through the grapevine is that South Burlington is not interested in merging with us. There's probably good reasons for that, right? We're having a lot of difficulty and they're having their own difficulty, right? They tried to build a new high school and a new middle school and couldn't get it done. I'm not sure that what I heard somebody said is two districts having different issues, why does putting them together solve both of those? And I don't know whether I agree it, but I think politically there's not an interest from South Burlington to commingle with Burlington's educational system. Wanooski I think is a better fit in terms of the makeup of our student body. However, Wanooski is just getting into their own renovation, right? So we have had apparently discussions in the past about doing a combined district and our superintendent is actually working closely with Wanooski superintendent. He's been his kind of mentor of welcome to Vermont, but there haven't been any serious discussions about merging. We have a very large high school for Vermont. So the big idea of saving money by consolidating services and staff and that just it doesn't apply here. It would certainly help Burlington I think to leverage to have a larger pool, a larger tax base to pull from and a larger community to pull from. But I think that now it's not a solution to this problem. There's no good solution by merging with Wanooski or South Burlington for the high school. No one has come forward and said, here's how it's gonna be better for both communities. Mike, thank you again for all this and actually Sherston asked one of the main questions I was gonna ask about merger. I mean, as an outsider's perspective, it does seem like when South Burlington's trying to spend $200 million on a building and we're looking at spending at least $100 million on a building, you would think $300 million could build a very nice high school that both could be a part of or $250 million. So again, that's an uneducated view of it but I hope that those conversations with South Burlington and Wanooski could continue because I do, again, I just, if we're building massive infrastructure that we would need to be doing, it would be great if we could team up with other places that need to be doing similar builds. But I understand the political all too well. I understand the political contemplations of these. My other comment was just gonna be, I have always thought Memorial Auditorium could be a really great answer. I do think that not having kids in the system right now at that age, but having schools back in the downtown and going away from the very suburban oriented design that led to a high school that was designed to be in California out. I have always felt that Burlington is planning for the future of being a regional city in this area if we could bring, have a real educational district of the university at the top. You got the elementary schools, Champlain College, the elementary schools and then you've got a beautiful high school, downtown high school that's using this public space that people want to be a public space with Memorial Auditorium and pulling it into the block, heck, even connect to the library and use that as the school library. Like that has always been something to me that I hope continues to be explored. And frankly, I think probably makes more sense than expanding into the pit, although who knows what the pit's gonna do. It could just be a soccer field. But that's always been my hope is that something could happen there. But again, who cares what I think? But that's my thought. Somebody cares, I care, Billy. Just because Coco told me to. But and we're gonna want feedback and we'll come up, I think that the welcome gateway block is absolutely gonna be one of the final contenders and you will see some pros and cons because you're right, a downtown high school is a pretty interesting thing. As we said, we wanna build the city core but it's also got some significant disadvantages including transportation and access to athletic facilities, right? So, I know I'm running over time, aren't I, Joe? That's a mess, all right. So, Lucia, did you wanna? Yeah, I was just gonna say, I just can imagine that this will be a lengthy process. And so best wishes for it to go as smoothly as it can go in this first phase even. And then definitely, I know you'll let us all know when you're ready to come back for that public engagement phase because I know that you do listen and I know we all are so eager to be a part of that process. So, thanks for flagging it early for us and we'll make sure to make all the space we can in this forum and just as community members and people living here. I can imagine, just we're all in different positions with our children and our kind of engagement in different spaces and everything in the community. So, I can imagine that it's a lot to sort through and I give especially the parents of students who are currently living through this moment, a lot of credit, because it's definitely not easy and hopefully those of us behind this set of parents can breathe a little bit of enthusiasm into the process as well. Thank you for that, Lucia. And thank you for the whole NPA for your willingness to have us come here and have this dialogue. And I really wanna glom onto what you said about that the next generation of parents. This is a crisis in Burlington, but it's a huge opportunity because when we get through this, so there's two things. Well, one, when we get through this, it's frankenew high school, right? And it'll be a great and it'll be a huge attraction in the area for people overcoming to decide where to live. And the second thing is we have a fabulous, tremendous superintendent to help lead us through this process. I am so, I'm literally getting a little emotional at how good this guy is. And some of you might have interactions with him, but I'm shocked that he gets positive feedback from families and from staff and from all the unions, from all the leaders that he works across, he's worked with the governor and get funding. So we are very lucky to have, to have found him and brought him here. He loves this community. And I know his kids are gonna go to the high school. So I know he wants what's best for everybody. He's got a real personal stake in our community. Jillian? Sorry, my raise hand function is non-existent still. I have a question that I hope can be brief that actually is not my own question, but I had multiple community members who weren't able to be at this meeting tonight ask if I could bring in a relatively different direction, which is, is there any concern for the health of BHS alumni? I haven't seen that covered specifically. And some other people were wondering as well. So this gets a little sciency. So put on your powers. The level at which PCBs are dangerous to people is a judgment call. So the EPA has certain numbers and Vermont has numbers that are significantly lower. Vermont's levels of screening level of 15 nanograms for something million, something 15 versus the EPA is like 500. They base that risk on, here's where they base it on. They say if a person works at the high school for 12 months a year and 10 hours a day and 30 years, that person's going to have a one in a million chance of having a cancerous outcome. So that's a pretty high bar. And that's great. Just the answer, I think so. So students, people are concerned about, hey, I went there for four years, their risk is extremely low. Teachers who work there for 10 years, their risk is extremely low. There are teachers that work for a long time and there are staff that work there for a long time. But to find a staff member, I'll find that. I think it's 20 or 30 years, but 12 months of the year and 10 hours a day, we don't know of anybody who's in the building that amount of time. Great, thank you so much, Mike. I always appreciate you at these meetings. You're welcome. Thanks, Mike. Maybe we could take one more question. We are getting significantly over now. I guess, Ben, you've raised your hand. You win the last question, maybe. Well, Mike, let me echo, thank you very much for your work and thanks of course for being here. This is sort of a follow-up question to the point that you just made there. I'm not saying I'm an advocate for this, but just to play devil's advocate momentarily here, because I do think that there's a ton of opportunity in finding a new school, but obviously there's a humongous potential price tag attached to that. And given sort of how strict the Vermont standards are with respect to PCBs here and where the EPA says you can be and still be within a healthy environment, and given even under the Vermont standards, the astronomically small chance that someone in that school would present with a health issue, has there been any discussion about approaching the state about raising that bar such that you could remain at the same location? I mean, again, not saying I'm advocating for that necessarily, but it does seem like if this high school was pretty much anywhere else in the United States, we would not have this issue right now. There was a, when it first came out and the advice was to shut down the school, so September of, I can't even remember, September of 2020, there was a group of students, sorry, a group of parents who made that case. And these parents were pretty technically minded, there were some doctors, somebody who was in environmental PhD, and they did their research and they advocated to the Department of Health and the Department of Health stood their ground. And we tried to make the case that the risk of a negative health impact should be weighed against the actual impact that was happening to students, right? They're both damaging and they're both, it's risk management, but the AOE did not support that argument. And so I think that there are still people who are learning about Vermont's level versus the EPA's level and asking if we can push the Department of Health. And I think the board has said we and the district and superintendent lying against it, we put a bunch of effort into that track, into that tactic and we didn't get anywhere and we don't want to spend any more time on that. I do want to, I actually do want to circle back to what Jillian you asked me and I was talking about that level of 15 nanograms per cubic meter or whatever that is. And there are locations in Burlington High School and especially in the Burlington Tech Center that are above the EPA levels, right? So it's not that the whole campus is below EPA levels. There are certain parts of the campus that, and that's one of the reasons that the EPA agreed with the Department of Health to shut the building down. So there are parts of the building and the campus that are significantly contaminated. And we don't even know why the Burlington Tech Center there's a couple of rooms and we don't really know why. We didn't even focus on figuring that out. We wanted to focus on the Burlington High School. And that does bring up, the building the new high school is also building a new tech center. Our tech center is used by, it's a popular program in the area. There's another one in Essex but we have a great partnership with a lot of sending districts and we want to maintain that. And so we don't want to forget the Burlington Tech Center got great programs. My daughter's gone through the healthcare science academy and having a wonderful experience. So let's not forget BTC as well. All right, thanks a lot. Yeah, we held you up for extra time. Thanks for putting in the extra time. Well, I get paid overtime for this, right? Right, yep, I'll look into it. Thank you. That's a lot. Good night. I actually did see representative Stebbins on earlier but I think they're probably just interested in the rest of the discussions maybe. We did run over the normal slot that we had for city council. I'm not going to skip it. I'm just saying that we are now at 815 and so we're ready to speak with Joan on that for a few minutes. Oh, hello. Thank you, Joe. I was hoping you'd get to me before it gets too dark out here. I had to turn on some extra lights. I don't know if it's going to work. I don't have extra lights. So I'm going to do the speed dating version of my presentation, but before I do, I want this group to be aware of all the other work that commissioner Fisher has been doing on behalf of Burlington students and taxpayers in the fight for adjusting the per pupil weights, which is a way that Burlington has really been cheated in terms of its funding from the state for 20 years. There's recently, December 2019, a study came out that proved it and Mike's work to get the weights that are recommended in the study through the legislature. He's really been a leader in this effort and I want to personally extend my gratitude for Mike and his organizational skills and determination. And it's really been a big effort that didn't even make the discussion tonight. So just want people to be aware of that and thank you so much, Mike. So I'm just, we definitely don't have time to get into the city budget tonight, but that's a lot of what's consuming council time lately. There are the other things that make it into the news, but that's really the big thing that's happening. And in the budget, there is some expansion of services in the budget this year. The biggest of which is in the racial equity and inclusion and belonging department where I think it's three full-time positions that are being added, four limited service positions which the expectation is that those people will be working for the city for about a year and then four other limited service positions that are actually interns for the summer. There's also a redaction specialist being added to the Burlington Police Department. Basically, there's a strong desire on the part of the community to make videos, body cam footage more available, but in order to do that, personal information and identities and stuff have to be redacted. And so that is something being added to the budget which will enable us to make videos available much more quickly, at least that's the hope. And also a second help desk professional, the city of Burlington actually only has one help desk, one IT help desk person available. So that's amazing that we've gone this long. Outside, there are a couple other additions too, but I'm going to move on to kind of a, one of the bigger pictures I think going on within city government is that we are losing a lot of our long-time department heads. Our city attorney is going to be leaving and Eileen Blackwood has really been holding, she's the glue that holds it all together. That is a loss that's really going to be felt. And I think there's also some expansion going on in that department and restructuring, but we need to find somebody who can fill some very big shoes there. David White is leaving as planning director. He's going to be rehired for a special project, but he is leaving as planning director. As you know, we have been without a permanent police chief for a while. We're hiring for that position as you heard tonight. We have a new HR director who just came on in the last week or two. Karen Durfee, which is a wonderful addition to our city leadership, who is a wonderful addition to our city leadership. Brian Lowe, who's been our chief innovation officer is departing. And I think that's all I have there. I want to let people know SouthEnders in particular might be interested to know that there's going to be higher ground is going to be sponsoring concerts behind Burlington City Arts on Pine Street this summer. So keep an eye out for that. There may be some things that you might be interested in attending. We thought it was a pretty good area. You know, it doesn't directly butt neighbors on that side of Pine Street, but still wanted to be cognizant that children want to put their kids to sleep. So it's not going to be late night events. And we have asked them to be aware of that. But I think it could be a nice addition to the vitality on Pine Street. And the masking policy has caused some confusion. There was a proposal to the city of Burlington. We passed a resolution, which I actually authored a year ago to when the governor decided that retailers and grocery stores wouldn't be required to ask their customers to wear masks. We in the city believed that that was essential to public health. And so we with the governor's blessing that municipalities could have their own masking ordinances. We passed a resolution that asked that all of our retailers and grocery stores would require their customers to have to wear masks as well as city buildings. And that signs would be posted, letting people know of the policy. It was recently suggested by the administration that we rescind that it came to the city council. We had a special meeting. We decided it was the motion actually was made to tell it was actually was made to table it fairly early on. Hang on. Sorry. Hey, why? Sorry. And the issue really was that according to the governor, you're not considered vaccinated until you have completed two vaccines. And the time, the waiting time period afterwards. And by that standard, the, um, you know, the, the 12 to 30 year old group actually doesn't have, you know, I'm not sure that they're over 50% vaccinated and it's not for lack of trying it. You know, they're the last to have the vaccines available to them. And that's a lot of the people who are working for in the retail stores and grocery stores. They are the workers who have the most exposure. It's not the customers that have a lot of exposure. It's the workers that have a lot of exposure. I was ready to resend it, but I also respect that. A lot of people have said, well, you have to listen to the data and the science. It's not an exact science and we have listened to the arguments, but I think that reasonable people can disagree on this. And not all of my colleagues were comfortable moving forward for. Reasonable reasons. So we tabled that discussion until June 7th. I expect June 7th that we will, um, take it up and we will receive, recent our masking requirement. But to be clear, that masking requirement does not extend to any offices other than city buildings. And it doesn't extend to bars and clubs and restaurants. It never did. And, uh, yeah, so anything other than retail and grocery stores, it doesn't apply to. So I will leave it at that and see if people maybe have questions. There's too many questions tonight. It's still light enough. Barely. All right. You must have covered it. Thanks a lot for bringing us through that. Thank you. You did have a lot of updates. There's always a lot going on. You mentioned the budget is kind of being considered now, but maybe we can look at that more another time. So. There's a lot of information for anybody who is interested. You can always go to the city calendar. I have a question. Go ahead. What's that you're saying. You know, you know, you know, you know, you have a lot of budget meetings and you can click into them, look in board docs and see all of the PowerPoint presentations on. Um, you know, each, uh, budget item, the calendar tells you what. Um, you know, what budgets are actually, I'm not sure if it's a calendar. If you actually have to go into board docs to see what specific budgets are being discussed each night, but you know, you know, you know, you know, you can see, you know, you can see all of the budget discussions. Okay. Okay. But I have a question for John. Yeah. You mentioned that higher ground is going to be going behind Burlington city arts or inside Burlington city arts. No, outside. Outside in the back under a tent or just out in the open. Outside in the back. I am not certain whether or not there's a tent. But I don't think, I don't think they need a permit from us for a tent. So that wasn't part of our discussions. Or if it was, I don't remember. So they're going to, is someone going to determine how late they get to stay? I don't want any two o'clock. Like they're trying to do. No, we don't want any two o'clock. Even midnight. I think, I think he ended them. I think we ended them at 10 o'clock. All right. And is someone going to monitor the sound? So it doesn't. Vibrate throughout the whole war. Yes, that's another big problem. We were very clear with them that we all remember the event. I think it was a dealer.com event. That virtually everybody in the south end and hill heard. And that we don't want to repeat of that. But there is not, people will hear it. And it's. Is it free? Is it free? No, it's not free. So though it is free, I guess you live nearby and you hear it, you can hear it for free. But to actually be on site, you will have to pay. But they're keeping the costs. Pretty low. So that hopefully a lot of people can, can afford to participate. Where are they going to park? It will probably be like truck stop where there's, you know, there's generally parking in the, in the area at the maltex building on pine street in the general vicinity. What about Friday night? So they're going to do that when they have their, our truck stops already going. They're going to have to coordinate with truck stop. They obviously want their clientele to be able to park. And they probably. It could be some of the same clientele. I'm not sure. Okay. Well, so I guess they do, they watch time and they watch sound. Cause they doesn't seem to tell me, it doesn't seem like they're doing that down in the place where they want to go permanently with Burton. I keep hearing people saying that higher ground refuses to reduce time with 2am. They won't make them earlier. Down at the permanent place where they want to go. So that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that has not nothing with regards to that has come before us. That's in the permitting process. That's in the zoning and act 250 permitting process. So in terms of the hours, I don't know, maybe act 250 can. Control that, but it has not been a council level discussion. Okay. I've heard a lot of neighbors saying they try to get them to do that. So I don't know. It would be nice if you could do that one too. But thank you, Joe, for all of your work. You're welcome. And Carolyn, I think you had. You had called me about. I'm trying to think, oh, doing more art. Replacing graffiti with art. That was a great idea. And I have asked that on. Good. Thank you. That's a great. Great. And then the other thing is that I'm doing some flu. Our pollination gardens and. Starting to work with the people that you BMC grants. Where they are asking everyone, please cut your grass at three inches. Not it where you are below three inches. Have your grass at three inches, that way you have bigger, longer roots, leaves of remaining grass on the grounds and cut only a third of your lawn at any one time. And that way the grass just gets a whole lot healthier and it'll absorb a whole lot more water so we'll have a whole lot less junk going into the lake. Cause when you have your grass short, it's just like a bowling pen and everything's gonna run right down off the grass into the street down into the lake. So please, please, everyone, raise your grass, raise the blade so it's three inches. Thank you. Thanks, Carolyn. Yeah, my grass is incredibly long right now so I'll just leave it just like it is. Perfect. Thanks a lot. Thanks, Joan, taking us through the city updates. Thank you all. Well, thank you, Gabrielle. Representative Stevens for joining us. I know that we already have excused you from your slot and then we ran right into it. So I think we're looking forward to maybe running through all of your updates once things are more finalized next month. Hopefully we can commit to some time there. Thanks, too. Yeah, I'm just here cause we didn't get an email back. So Tiff and I were like, we can't just not show. So here I am. You could be reading the budget right now, I'm sorry. Well, I was halfway through it and actually this has been a really enjoyable break and now I'm gonna go back cause it reads really clearly. Anyway, yes, we've passed a lot of really good bills but they all hinge upon a budget which we're gonna be voting on tomorrow at 9 a.m. and we got it about 4.45 this evening. So we'll have, if it is possible for, I know there's so much to talk about and it's so great to be here and hear Mike and Joan. But if it is possible in the June meeting for us to have like a solid 30 minutes, there's a good chance that at that time we will know what the governor vetoed, where the budget really landed, what sifted through the colander. So that would be great because it'll, as much as everyone said, don't do anything except pandemic related items. We did a lot, which is good because we had federal dollars that we normally don't have. So it'd be great to have a reasonably good chunk of time if that's possible. So just wanted to show up cause otherwise it looks really bad if we're like, sure we'll be here by. So anyway, it's also really good for me to hear the questions about schools, about PCBs, about the people waiting because obviously there's a component there that next to the legislature. So we will be sure, can I give an update on that next week? PCBs is still one of those items that's being discussed even though we're supposed to adjourn by midnight on Saturday. So anyway, thank you. I still managed to take two minutes and it's dark now, Joe. So I will be quiet. Yeah, I'm keeping track and the mosquitoes are coming out. Sorry. Okay. It's okay. Thanks a lot. All right, yep. I think you have a solid consideration for June. So but we'll put that together probably next week. So thanks again. All right, everybody. I think we're ready to sign off for May and thank you for joining. And wish you all a great evening. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thanks, Saul. Good night. I like to go to the mosquitoes.