 Oh, test recording your recording is like so much longer than the rest of them and then I have to cut that extra often and so kind of a pain in the ass. Okay, fine. All right. Oops, wrong one. Okay. And we're live. I have no clue if there's anybody actually watching this or not. So if we get some yeas or nays in the audio, that'd be great if there is actually anybody watching. I don't see anybody in chat yet. Um, this is me speaking some words as such as they are. Voice isn't there a hundred percent, but we're getting there. Uh, Steve's working on it. Steve and Josh, you guys could say some words. Saying words, uh, if you just to clarify for everybody here, the reason why my background is dark is because I'm using all laptop batteries right now to power my set up and everything's giving me an ETA of four hours before I run out of power. So I think we're good enough for the podcast. Hopefully. Steve, some some words. Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. He always goes with Mary Poppins. I love that word. I don't know why. You ever watched Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? Yes, of course. That's a good movie. You should watch it. If you, the viewers have not seen Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, you should go back and watch Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and then watch some Herbie after it. Oh Herbie's the the Volkswagen Beetle that's alive, right? Yes. Yeah, and yeah, that's really old. All right Welcome to the stream everybody Uh As you can tell I am still not 100% we're getting there. Um, just before we get started I will say that hopefully this week I'll be coming up with some videos So the see if I can salvage the channel Because man does youtube not like you to take two weeks off It really really don't Steve could be louder. I can't make Steve louder. Steve, can you make yourself louder? Can I make myself louder? Yes. Just like just a smidge You sound fine to me, but who knows how it goes? Raise the microphone like two inches Okay, is that better guys? It sounds exactly the same Make your microphone and physically move it up Is that better guys? Oh gorgeous. There you go. Yeah. Yeah, you see what it is that your microphone? Uh May pull out my sample microphone Your microphone doesn't detect off the top here. It detects off the side So yeah, it's it's a condenser. Yeah Yes I keep forgetting that sorry now we're going to get a whole bunch of plosives. It's going to be great All right We're going to go ahead and get started. It's a little bit early But I don't also I can I can hit record though Um, when I say you can chill chill, man. Sorry. Okay. All right. All right. Let's see. I need to go to the right workspace All right. Now I'm going to hit record In audacity I'm going to hit record in obs and you guys can get recording as well Okay, recording excellent. Uh, I see waveforms, which means that it's working. Yeah Mine appears to be working as well, which is good Steve you can lead us off on the claps, which we will no doubt Not be any by the way last week it was Highly entertaining watching you guys try to get the glass right. This is very good All right. Anyway, Steve on on on the on the three three two one Why are you so fast, man? All right, I'm sure I'm sure that it wasn't anywhere close All right, we are bad at claps It's fine. We're perfect at it. All right We're talking to the guy who is from a country who split between two time zones in the same country and the entire country makes half a state in the u.s You guys can't agree on anything. Can you all right? Steve obviously has never been Rhode Island or Indiana Indiana you switch back and forth three or four times if you travel across it, you know I just I go back and back and forth in time Some counties don't want to do they like saving time some of them do it's dumb All right, let's go ahead And get started here Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Linux cast. I'm your host matt And I'm Josh Now I'm Steve oh Yeah, I didn't really Prepare us at all for that, but that's okay. Uh, yes, I am back I would say and better than ever, but definitely not better than ever if you guys see me Scratch in my nose. I had the itchiest nose right now. It's the stupidest thing Sorry, I'm also going to be coughing through half of this and then obviously my voice isn't still there, but anyways This is the Linux cast we talked about Linuxy things um, I'm Obviously, there's some things going on in my channel lately. That's not great because I've been sick Hopefully things will return to normal once, you know, I'm actually, you know, healthy again Well, we'll uh, see when that happens when the boss is out the children play Yeah, by the way, thanks. Thanks to the three of you guys for doing the podcast last week. That was wonderful You guys did a fantastic job Um, you gotta do you guys did a did a great job. Appreciate that It's nice to know that I can take a week off if I have to and you guys can carry on without me So anyways before we jump into the news, which is what we usually do We're going to talk about what we've done this week in open source and stuff like that So, uh, Steve, why don't you lead us off? What have you done this week in open source? I've been working on zero Linux and on something behind the scenes that josh will not say anything about Okay Okay Working on something behind the scenes Trying to get to adapt to the new Power schedule, which is completely random We get power I said on the computer work for as long as we have it then it goes then I turn everything off everything back on everything back off That's uh, that was my week in uh an open source other than that. I've been reading a lot And watching a lot of youtube Yeah, all right I'm really curious as to what's you're working on and you know, that's so secretive, but you'll have to tell me later I'll be honest. He probably said it out of his show earlier where I was half asleep washing the thing So I have no idea You have no idea. Yeah, you said it on the stream, but okay Oh, I said, I don't even know what I said Josh, what do you remember? What have you been up to this week in fos? Well, you know since uh, my my venerable 5700 x t has died I've been stuck with this arc gpu using it and uh making the 6.2 kernel work for me And I have an update on the arc gpu adventures for you guys Currently our distro choice has been fedora silver blue 38, which hopefully does not break on me Even though I have already broken it three times, but we'll talk about that later Uh, running the 6.2.7 kernel mesa 23 and gnome 44 Uh, just just in the event that you guys are going to buy an arc gpu and install and run it Fedora right now is the best out-of-the-box distro that actually works with it besides arch linux, which don't even try Uh, but for the most part xorg session hardlocks completely You you can restart your display manager service to see if you could get it to work But it didn't work for me. So I had to bust out login ct on kill the user session the old fashioned way Uh, waylin works far Far better on an arc gpu than xorg does it actually works Uh in terms of video games, uh, doom eternal is a pixelated mess for me I still trying to figure out what's going on with it, but it's been most mostly no go Near automata Works perfectly fine. Uh, there does seem to be some frame hitching Uh, world warcraft both classic and retail works perfectly fine monster hunter rise I was I wasn't able to get the gameplay, but it did compile shaders So I need to figure out what's going on with that. I have not tested world at all Now in the realms of the not gaming and actual productive things Uh OBS studio open shot and kaden live all do pick up the hardware x264 encoder that Handbrake for some reason does not Uh, and then for the av1 encoder, there is no graphical software that supports it yet and ffmpeg Scripting is still black magic to me But I'm working on it because it does look like the that the av1 encoder is picked up by the intel media driver that fedora is shipping So it should theoretically work as soon as I figure out how to script ffmpeg Uh blender runs like absolute garbage We are currently working on 17 separate bug reports that we're going to be reporting to fedora Who's just going to tell me to take things upstream anyway What I don't I don't understand why anybody would buy an arc gpu at this point. This doesn't seem like anything's ready Uh, it's something brand new. That's it. It always happens It just Doesn't make it always by a generation behind not a generation ahead if you're gonna buy something Uh, well, you see this is what I happen to have And I bought it just so I could do stuff like this Yeah, you're weird. So it's working as intended All right, so for me personally, I did absolutely nothing this week in terms of open source and linux or anything like that There there have been days where I haven't even turned my computer on which is just kind of the way things have gone So, uh, hopefully next week. I'll have some more interesting things to say, but I can say that I'm still on redcore Um, and it still works just as well as it has been Uh, I haven't I've been doing the updates and stuff and Compiling things left and right when I've been you know installing stuff Uh, yeah, I'm working on getting neomut and all that stuff set so I could switch away from thunderbird and all those, uh Dependencies have been fun. So that that's that's I guess that's something that I did um other than that I haven't been doing much redcore still here and uh I'm like a month and Three weeks into the challenge now or so so Yeah, I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna make it but we'll see and uh, still kaywin is uh, it's still a Um, uh Crappy mess. What do you mean? It looks far better than stdm does. No, I haven't logged into plasma Since 527.3 or whatever came out Yeah, well, it's still a shitty mess. Uh, uh, even after releasing the new zero linux Uh, people have been reporting, uh issues with wake up and sleep on xorg. So, yeah I Plasma is one of those things where I always want to use it because it's really good But it's just it's too buggy and I'm never gonna be able to use it. So I've stopped trying at this point. I've just I've stopped trying Uh, I'm They gave me another reason never to buy a laptop Um, well, yeah, uh, I have uh I've been using q-tile. I'm happy there for now. I've been using gnome Your band off the podcast dude. You can't do that All right. Anyways, let's go ahead move on to the first News item of the week. Let's go ahead and have uh, steve your first one My first one is going to be the best one of the two that I selected and it's nvidia530.41.03 linux driver released with ibt kernel support Vulkan video and better support for xfce for some reason Didn't know if the wasn't well supported by the driver, but whatever Uh So, uh Just bug fixes and open gl compositing and gsync enabling suspend and resume support when making use of nvidia gpu system processor gsp firmware fixing prime render offload issues for wayland apps and amd igpu Uh nvidia installer fixes and nvidia vulkan video extensions And various other bug fixes. It's a bug fix release That has better support for xfce I'm like, huh But anyway, I built the drivers. I tested them and they were just fine and Yeah, I did notice a little bit, uh, better performance when it comes to, uh, gaming because i'm i've been playing god of war on on the system I will refuse. I still refuse to run it on steam deck Uh, but yeah, it runs much smoother less hiccups. Uh, and yeah So, uh, it's a it's a nice to see that They're releasing a new new driver versions much more often nowadays uh than before and Yeah, when it when it comes to the h264 encoder video decode It made obs much better so There's that for other than that. It's just a bug fix release and quality of life Things Yeah, there you go ibt is actually pretty interesting because that means that that nvidia might be signing their drivers a little bit sooner for like newer versions of the kernel maybe Yeah, that's what I thought too their track ibt would suggest that tracking off the mainline branch of the kernel Which is the development branch So that should mean that on your arch Linux systems the your kernel should be able to install and Install the dkms package a little bit more reliably, which I know is an issue on arch Not an issue. No, it has never been an issue for me, but uh, there's another thing you you lost over that is uh interesting is uh That it's on the kernel they're working on the uh development branch of the kernel And something happened which reminds me I know it's not directly related to that, but it reminded me that mesa recently shipped Got updated to arch shipped mesa 23.0 recently on arch which made Laptop owners lives miserable. Yeah, not everyone a lot of laptop owners lives miserable because they ended up Not being either not being able to log on to the To the desktop or getting just a black screen with a cursor Or lags taking for like five to 15 minutes for for the desktop to show So I had to tell everyone to roll back to the previous version which Weird on arch is 22.3.6. Whereas the actual previous version is 20 22.3.7 But for some reason on arch is no longer there So they go back want two versions behind But at least it's more stable on 22.3.6 Because I guess something happened I watched the video I glanced over a video by Brody which said that something happened with asahi Manjaro shipping Deciding to merge asahi code that was not meant for public for the public it was meant for arm and Uh, it was not production ready. It was just a test and someone on the arch end Merging it completely merging it without testing. Yeah, thanks. Thanks stritt Yeah So he merged it to to the upstream without even testing it All laptop users are suffering desktop users. No problem You'll notice a little hiccup here and there but no no big issues But laptop users. Oh my god It's a hell in a hand basket. But yeah, that's it's related to gpu stuff. But yeah, there's that too Our lives were uh as maintainers was made better So, yeah, that's the gpu news All right, let's go ahead and uh, josh your first one Okay, so my first article is going to be a banger and that is gnome 44 has been released and still not updated on arch linux Because you know arch linux likes it likes to track known behind schedule unlike what people say that arch Linux is great for Getting the latest greatest software. So as a result, I'm I'm sitting here running fedora But anyways, uh gnome 44 releases where the where mutter has completely dropped Uh gtk3 entirely the so basically your entire desktop environment is now basically gtk4 except for Two or three apps at this point like fundamental apps like gnome tweaks and uh boxes and something else extension manager, uh If you've used a gnome file picker in the past, you know that it does not that it did not support thumbnails before Uh now it does and if you want an explanation as to why it took so long Brodie roberton has an amazing video explaining why it took them 15 years to fix that 18 18 18 years so it's been a long time. Uh the gnome settings app has been has been uh updated with with like an actual Well a bunch of features actually But it can it'll actually show you security status as well in tpm status as well Uh the file picker you get the tree or not the file picker But the file manager not a list you can get a tree view back if you want it. Uh, there's been some Uh changes to like the mouse and touchpad changes I actually haven't looked at that because I use the desktop my mouse works. So I haven't even looked at it There's another thing for the background when you get to the background apps in the quick settings You shall talk about that Actually, I was going to be getting there after I talked about the sound menu because the sound menu is buggy as crap And it's uh, but it is a massive improvement over what it was But it is it is a little buggy because for some reason What's it do tell me that some of my sound devices do exist But they have no volume whatsoever until I jump to another another device and then jump back Which uh, you know when I'm running, uh three displays that have like, uh on board sound, uh an audio mixer a And uh, you know a set of usb speakers. I have something like, uh Eight, uh audio devices which cause a little bit of a bit of hell And that's why I typically just you know use a wire plumber.com file to manage my audio devices because it worked a little bit more lively that way But uh gnome software vastly improved it's actually somewhat functional nowadays You can actually use it without having to uh pkill and relaunch it if you actually wanted to use it at all Or just give up entirely and use the terminal like a smart person Uh, and then the quick the quick setting the quick settings have been further refined with all that other stuff including a Terrible attempt at a trait at a built-in tray menu displaying all your background apps Which if you're using a gnome application works perfectly fine if you're using something else not so much And I'm sure that steve has plenty to say about that Correct and another issue with that is the fact that Icons are just there you can't do anything with them You cannot you can only close them click the x button and close them Beyond that what what we used to have in the tray icons click the icon and have options for each background app running app Now all that's gone. All you get is a close button. That's it Uh, that's a half-assed Uh new feature, uh, they shouldn't have included it until they Completely finished it. It's an unfinished product. They shouldn't have included it in this release of uh gnome Because it's it's just a visual I guess they they only shipped it because it's a visual confirmation that you have uh gnome apps running in the background Well, let me raise a counterpoint to you Would you rather than ship something just to like get opinions on it just like that? Or just ship nothing at all and continue to have everybody complain about the lack of if you think about it that way your argument holds water Yes, it's just to show people that they're working on it. It's a confirmation So what you're saying is that gnome is a an experimental desktop environment They use their their users as guinea pigs to test things that they aren't really ready yet in the history of gnome The the even numbered releases are typically what what they treat as like their user feedback Refinement releases. So a lot of this stuff has actually been community requested that they that they added and changed Whereas when when you use the odd number releases, that's typically where most of your development is actually going to happen in gnome for example with uh the But of course right now they're it's a bit weird right now because they're transitioning everything to gtk4 stack Which brings me to another subject josh Yeah is Okay, their in-house applications are gtk4 but everything every other gtk application is still gtk3 Is not tied directly to gnome now It's never it's never been that way mean no It's uh, no, i'm not saying it has always but I'm saying all i'm saying is People when people download a gtk application. It's not Going to be a hundred percent gtk4 It they should expect that the vast majority of gtk applications to still be on gtk3 Because they're not tied to gnome Direct well, how long has gtk4 been out now and how many of those gtk applications actually see like actual feature releases currently Like by using by using k a kde myself I have or because i'm a kde super simple I have a vast majority of my applications that are gtk application but since Most of the one like 80 percent of them Non gnome specific applications. They just use the gtk library They 90 percent of them are still on gtk3. So I can theme them There's only maybe five percent of them the or 10 percent of them That are gtk4. That's why I can't theme them with the gtk theme that i'm using which is has always been lay in So they fall back when when because I on zero Linux I ship the The What I call it the work around to to theme Flatbacks, that's why I told it to use when I told it to use Lay in gtk theme But when an application is still using libid vita dark Even though I told it to use lay in that means that it's gtk4 because libid vita will not I mean Lay in will not be updated To you to theme gtk4 the developer confirmed So he quit gtk theming He gave up when Libid vita got introduced. He gave up. He's not the only one. There's a lot of them. Wait, but that's just Terrifying that a lot of gtk applications still don't use gtk4. They still use gtk3 Don't worry too much the transition between gtk2 and gtk3 took 15 years I mean, there are still there are still many applications gimp that still use gtk2. Yeah, so I mean I don't know if it was actually 15 years or not, but it took a very very long time So if you're expecting the transition to gtk4 to happen Quickly you just this is never going to happen No, because I'm saying I'm just saying that because there's a lot of users wondering Why aren't all the all the gtk applications you using the lay in on zero learning That's the reason why it takes a long time and there are going to be some applications that will never see gtk4 Exactly like it's never going to happen I mean, it happens with kde2. I believe clementine still has you have to see a qt5 release It's still it still uses qt4 and now plasm is moving up to qt6 and Honestly, it's been they've been using qt5 for how many years now like eight eight nine years or something like that Wow Matt was correct when he said some application a few applications might not even go to gtk4 Uh, they use whatever feels comfortable for their app perfect for their applications if it ain't broke don't fix it Well, and it's a lot of work too. So you respond to username in the chat here gtk5 is not is not confirmed to be wayland only yet Uh, but at the same time gtk5 is also good is also like six to seven years from now So wayland might be vastly improved by that and might and another thing and someone asked Will uh, will xfce support wayland. Why don't you ship? No, his question was Will xfce ever see wayland support? Yes. Yes, it will they've already announced it the next version four dot The four twenty is the next one. Yeah. Yeah, the next was going to be wayland. So yes Yeah, yes, but currently no So if you want to use wayland and really really really want to use wayland Don't use xfce. I mean you can use xfce You just can't use xfwm because all the other xfce apps are gtk3 native, which means that they do work with wayland So all you need is just a wayland compositor like lab wc Okay, but your average user will go through the lengths to do that All right, let's go ahead and move on to the next one Which will stick on gnom for now. This is mine So the gnom guys are working on adding Accent color support to gnom, which is something that people have been asking for for a very long time Uh, you know, there's been some merge requests and actual work on this feature So we but we still don't know when it's actually going to happen And in traditional gnom fashion, they're going to be doing it in the gnom way instead of doing it in You know a normal way of just taking it, you know, like Stealing basically what what Ubuntu has done and and implementing it that way would have been probably a faster way of doing things but instead well Would you want to implement it in javascript or or uh implemented in the c or vola code natively I just want them to actually have done this years ago is what I want them to have done. Um It'll be interesting to see how they actually implement it because there's not a lot of information obviously so far but there have been some screenshots here if I can show the screenshots if uh, it will ever load um It's not The screenshots are about the most useless ever because all they show show is that the quick menu settings The uh changed color I mean that's the kind of thing that you want your accent colors to be modifying Well, yeah, that's obviously one of them but I'm more interested to see how they because a lot of ganome implementations to have accent colors from zoren or Uh ubuntu they'll change the folder colors inside of Nautilus and stuff. So I would be interesting to see if They do that part There goes the accent color extension down the drain well honestly If they implement it into uh, no natively and it's It's reasonable then I think it's fine for that extension to be depreciated Well, uh, here's the thing though is that ganome never does it the first It always takes them a while so take a take a look at what they just did with the background services settings To replace the task manager the task bar or whatever Um that they had it's half ass. It's only partially the way there It doesn't give you all the features that you want. It's going to be the same thing here look how long it I mean They still haven't taken and done anything with the ability to have folders on the desktop again. That's been a Thing that people have wanted since they've ripped it out right and Maybe they'll never will but if they were to do so it would be It'd be very simple to begin with is the way they've always done it when they take an extension that exists and Built it into ganome. It always comes out You know partially the way there before you know, and it takes them a little while so Uh, hopefully they do a better job on this one, but we'll see Um, it's ganome. So I'm still not going to use it well, uh accent colors in gnome is Uh, I I consider it it was a missing uh livid vita central feature But it's just I I see the way I see it. It's uh, how should I put it? It's part of livid vita So livid vita is not complete yet until accent colors make it in and more stuff are added. So it's still livid vita is still to me, uh My own opinion. I'm not saying to generalize. It's just to me livid vita is still Incomplete uh with accent colors. It's near complete There's still a few nicks and crannies they need to work on but Other than that, uh, I appreciate livid vita. It can be themed I don't know why people are fighting and screaming and yelling against it and hating gnome for it. It's just Needs more work than gtk2. Uh gtk3. Sorry, uh was it's different if they can make gradients so that it continues to improve It's going to do it do a lot for get theming and and stuff like that It might honestly, I think gradients is actually more powerful than a standard vtk theme anyway Say it again gradients No, no, no, no wait gradients gradients. I ship it on zero on zero g as you have you might have seen but gradients is a hack because it overrides a lot of files that Not supposed because livid vita doesn't really use the CSS that gtk3 and gtk4 It hard codes in the way that gradients works is that intercepts those calls. So I I know how gradients works. It's a hack. So yeah But if implemented correctly in livid vita itself Well livid vita do marvels livid vita is there is actually a Branch on the livid vita get that you can look at that actually has support for css style sheets It's still very early days and not reliable whatsoever But the it is something that somebody has taken time to open up a branch and actually do some work on and Last I checked the last commit relating to that was about 18 hours ago. So there is somebody working there Yeah I can contrast that I can contrast that with with With something for example like Latidoc on kde on kde a lot of people are considering that latidoc is dead. It's not receiving any Any commits or anything? This is when you talk about the stable branch. Yes, that is correct stable branch is no longer receiving any Commits because the developer is gone left the project But they keep forgetting about something called the git master branch That exists too With every stable project. There's a git A project to work on where everything is tested on then once stable it will get merged to the stable In this case since the developer left the project all the work is being done still to this day And there's a nicolo timestamp on one of his videos that I saved To answer people who keep telling me that the latidoc is no longer being maintained He says it himself that latidoc is still being maintained. It's still alive and it's one of his favorite tweaks on kde, but to go back to gno same thing There's you got the git and you got the the stable branch if the stable branch doesn't receive Updates in six months. That doesn't mean that the git master branch is not Me just means that a lot of work is When was the last time we seen a commit to something like open box? That hasn't seen a single commit since 2008. That's a different project So and look at box isn't dead Yeah, and look at the what's it called? Ah, I forgot hyperland Hyperland I used to maintain the package and push to my repo that receives a thousand commits a day Yeah, about a commit every two and a half hours and just like after all I just get get kind of just tired of rebuilding the package Because you know it seems to remove it if it makes it That's why you don't package dash git well He told he recommended box free himself the developer of hyperland recommended the git Package because that's where all the work is being done But uh, eric went from eric dubois from arco linux. He went a step beyond he forked He forked the repository and he froze it Yeah, that's basically what you that's basically what you'd have to do if you're going to be packaging it at all All right, let's go ahead and move on to the contact information real quick If you want to get in contact with us you can do so in any number of ways But the best way is probably to go to the website Which is linux cast out which is the linux cast out org there You'll find previous episodes all the way back to season one as well as blog posts when i'm posting them Uh, i'm behind on blog posts obviously as i'm behind on everything. So we'll just have to catch up there eventually You can support me on patreon at patreon.com slash linux cast. 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So that is the contact information I think I got everything there that needed to be needed to be gotten Uh, let's go ahead and move on to the next one. So steve your Next link, please my next link is the orange pi five is a great and very fast alternative to the raspberry pi four I guess with the the scalping prices of the raspberry pi four today Uh, it left An empty space for anyone to occupy in the single board computer land Uh, that's where the uh, orange pi five swoop and took The crown because that thing is damn fast It it uh, it uses the rock chip rk 35 88 s s o c With up to 32 gigabytes of ram, which the pi It was it stopped at eight Uh, and it has the the rock by uh, 35 88 s is Way leaps and bounds faster than the raspberry pi All in the on a single board computer the size of the raspberry pi. I'll I'll be at a little bit tiny bigger Uh, it's got Lot of io. It's got an hd a full-size htmi. Thank the lord Not the mini htmi like the pi because I broke three of those just by plugging them in Uh, you can run it's it's community driven just like the pi four It you can run anything under the sun on that thing and it's uh, I love it It's it's got the pc i e 2.0 usb 3 connectivity Hmi 2.1 mind you not 2.0 So 8k wow Uh gigabit lan, uh, there's a 26 pin header on the sbc for those considering adapting this to the sb This sbc for other purposes Uh beyond that It's just a 10 times more powerful sbc For a low price, but they don't display the price on the on the article, but let me check the last page Maybe they display it on the last page This price is 88 dollars for the cheap one. Yes, that's the last paragraph there Yeah, 88 dollars for the cheap one. It's not as cheap as the raspberry pi 4 But for price to performance ratio, I It's it's better than the rest. So you guys probably will tell me this better than Uh Say stuff about this more than I can because I've never actually had a pie But from everything that I've read about the raspberry pi The most recent one is that if you have the top end one and you're trying to do anything with it It can get very very hot like very very hot, right? Yes temperature is an issue. However, uh All you need is just like the most basic of cooling fans just to blow air over and it's perfectly fine No Can disagree with that in my case it has been lighted. I'm not using anything I'm not using my price for anything super heavy like okay. Here's the desktop Here's the situation The you know fedora released a pi 4 image, right? Yeah, I know that I am purposely never going to use it I made a review of that. I released a review video on that a while back, but You know I'm on a raspberry pi. How unrealistic is that? That's number one. Yeah, that's why that's why I said I would never use it But uh I ran it on my pi 4 for like three days. I would leave it just idle No idle and the screen would sleep Which matt keeps suffering from on kde that never his screens never sleep Well, even with the screen Sleeping and and the system being idle. I would see temperatures as high up as 88 degrees 88 degrees the reason why I asked this is because if this Raspberry or this orange pi thing is so much more powerful has so much more ram Can you imagine how much? How many how much more heat it generates than I can't why? That's why they the cases they created for it have better cooling than any case for the raspberry pi Because they took into consideration that this thing runs At faster speeds and more wattage equals more heat So, uh, the the cases that I saw for the for the orange pi 5 Wow, there are cases that full aluminum with Passive cooling and the whole case is passive as a passive cooler And they kept the the temperature at full load while running a benchmark As low as 53 degrees 56 degrees something around there and it was running they were benchmarking it So i'm like, yeah, this does better way better than the raspberry pi ever did I think the rock chip the rock chip cpu is typically do are a lot cooler cooler than the cortex cpu is too Yeah, and it's an octa core cpu. I think it's eight cores so I'm I'm waiting to Come back from my trip Maybe while i'm on my trip. I might grab one of those to replace the pi 4 but because The pi 4 no matter what I run on it. Nothing runs great. You have to run a tty on it or pi whole Well, those are those are the two kind of os's that are realistically feasible on the Yeah, that said for my pi i'm using the poe hat which will naturally have the have the pi actually run a little bit hotter than It normally would But i'm also running an active fan on that as well and I never see a temperature above About 40 degrees celsius, but at the same time it sits in my server room, which actually has some air conditioning to it Not like the pi runs so hot that it's unreasonable Well, it just needs a fan But I I knew that I just figured that because this one was so Supposedly so much more powerful than it would it requires more. Yeah, uh in regards to like a Anyway, that might be listening to it that it's Oronics did a but they have a bunch of benchmarks on it where it shows that the more modern hardware that the orange pie is using Is roughly about two to all to sometimes three times faster than the than the pi 4 And I think that they tested equivalent models, but although they I didn't see anywhere where they said exactly which model they were testing The the fastest single board computer in existence today is the What's it called the kadha's edge? Has the best cpu, but the nvidia jetson still has the best gpu Of course nvidia. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's go ahead and move on to the next one. Josh your second link, please Uh, well ubuntu 20 Ubuntu has released their latest and greatest lts Point release, which is 22 0 6.6 or I must type that it's 22 0 4.6. I mistyped it in the show notes. I'll fix it. But anyways, uh, there's The reason why I'm making this like a news article is because It looks like that for some reason, uh, they're they're secure boot keys actually got revoked So, uh, what what this update does is it brings a refresh and star which actually which actually has a fresh set of keys So that way you can actually enable secure boot on your ubuntu system And after doing some looking at this, uh You can take an existing lts release of ubuntu and update it But you will still have to manually sign the kernel if you if you're If you're running a system that where you actually have to you be using secure boot due to like some compliance reason because, uh, realistically You can just disable secure boot and be perfectly fine but There's also several high impact bugs. I've been fixed. Uh, the all of these releases don't really explain which ones and I haven't really looked and uh, you know, uh These the ubuntu server installer is actually somewhat more reliable now I'm actually about it. I've been hearing things from people who have been using ubuntu for many many years That the most recent versions of ubuntu have been so much more buggy than they have been Previously, uh, they really have been but then again, that's exactly why I keep telling steve Don't ship known with a thousand extensions because that's exactly what's going on with the ubuntu Speaking speaking speaking of speaking of which yes, I'm removing. I'm going to be removing a few extensions But no this brings a you just opened a big can of worms with that article Uh, welcome because there's There's this this stigma of Uh, we'll have to update their system to work It's wrong I have a user on my server, which I mentioned on my podcast Uh, peter He's such a unique person. He's kind of like josh Uh, he's such a unique and wonderful person, but uh Are you talking about are you talking about emacs peter? Oh, no, uh, peter For someone else there's a lot of peters. Yeah I just assume they're all the same person The way he goes about about doing things is every time I release a version of zero linux He installs it and never ever runs the update command Ever until I release the next version in three months Then does back does a backup Install does a fresh install of the new release to get Because he's sure that I tested all the packages and he has never had a single issue He never ran the update command. He's not a gamer He's not a Weirdo hacker or or or he works bro. Don't fix it. Exactly Don't and and people this stigma that said that people are afraid Oh, my computer is not going to work unless I run update 10 times a day and get the latest packages He's treating it as an LTS release Like he's freezing it by never running the update command You can't do that It's not wrong. It's not A sin never to run an update if your system is working the way it is Why do you need to update unless you're a person who loves updating like me? Yeah, you you know that Because on linux the update command is a Fearsome command. You should be fearful of the update command, especially if you're running arch A rolling release like arch so the benefit to running an arch based distro And not updating it would simply be the a you are Well Your art system actually works So it's no the update command is like a like a like a coin flip It's either your system is gonna be okay after the update or it's going to something Something in the update will cause your system to die. It's always 50 50 always 50 50 when with arch linux and rolling releases So if you don't run the update It's not wrong. Why are are people afraid not to update their systems? It works Leave it as is don't update this stigma gets my blood boiling. That's that's weird I find people I don't find people like uh, peter weird. I find people who think that people like peter are weird Okay, it's just it's just my two cents on on the subject The ability can be achieved just don't run the update command As someone who lives on a rolling release distribution right now and has for many many years You know various different distros I always update run the update command and hardly ever have problems. You know, it's just All I'm saying is it's a 50 50 Reality of the matter is it's always 50 50 if you don't run into issues Put on you I never ran into issues A lot there are people who don't run into issues, but there are people who Want stability? Okay. You don't want to toss the coin and My question see what's he on the other end my question there my question there Is if you're wanting stability, why are you running a rolling release distribution? Why don't you run debbie it? Or or if you want if you want newer packages run fedora fedora is halfway in between Same thing is on non rolling releases as well But I was too scared to to say that but you made me say it, but It's it's always a 50 50 chance on the entirety of linux, but no, I'm sorry. I I disagree with that 50 50 50 It's either gonna work or you're not gonna work. That's it. That's what I mean by By saying if you have a 50 chance of your system breaking it every update is completely farcical That have you ever heard the phrase by the way I run arch Yeah That's why I don't get it That's the reason why people run arch is because I can say that oh, okay. Yeah. All right. I mean Pretty much, you know, uh, you're running arch linux. You're you're you're officially the linux badass even though this guy right here runs gen two Um All right, all right. Yeah, it's always a run gen two It's always a 50 50 chance No, it's really it's Anybody who says it's a 50 50 50 chance that your system is going to break after an update Isn't telling the truth about it because it's not 90 90 if you think about it, maybe no, no It depends realistically on what grub does upstream. Well, yeah Obviously, there are people who have problem with problems than others And I've been extraordinarily lucky, but if if you're not running obscenely new hardware You're gonna have a lot easier time and your percentage of success on an update is going to be like 90 95 For most the vast majority of people If you're running obscenely new hardware, then you're going to be experiencing many more problems And uh, we can all look look at josh as an example, right? He's running an arch our gpu. He's having problems You know, if you run all all I meant was all I meant was it's What I meant by 50 maybe I used the wrong expression english is not my number one language Realistically, it's a flip of a coin. That's what I mean. It's a little bit when you're running a system like arch Linux It's probably worthwhile investing investing to take the time to actually pay attention to what packages are updating But which a regular user which a regular user will not do As a guy that at one point ran a debian stable system for six and a half years as his daily driver There are times where debian will screw up too. Oh, yeah And just because debian stable is stable. It does not mean that it will work every time you update That's why I meant Running update is a flip of a coin. I didn't mean it by 50 50. I didn't want to put numbers on now But that's why I blindly running the update where you know, you run your pacman dash s y y u And then just hit enter and just let it go That is a flip of a coin Now if if you're just going to run a pacman Pac s u or whatever wherever. I think it's s y u to sync the repositories So and and then uh, you you take the time to at least read the package list that you're about to update that then I'm not going to say that you're flipping a coin because at least you're taking time to Understand what you're updating Yeah, how many people do that? Basically nobody Exactly. That's what I meant because people run update enter update enter Yeah, what would you know? Honestly, those people probably shouldn't be using arch Linux to begin with but uh, they're going to anyone or Linux as a whole because The thing I wanted to say The subject we talked about with zany was so deep. I we talked about it I'll part one of it on my on my podcast, but It's it's a big can of worms We don't need to dig into it right now or else the podcast will go for three hours It really is everybody should just run fedora, so we're going to enable automatic updates And just let the system handle everything itself Well pamac enabled the automatic updates and installing updates in the back uh on shut down on our system That's just insanity. Let's just let's just have everybody switch to immutable distribution Where you know if it if it fails to boot it's just going to automatically default to the last Previous system that actually booted But anyways matt Matt, I heard that mozilla's got a new project Uh, when don't they all right? So the last link is that mozilla has started work on an open source ai to uh, basically compete with chat gpt and all that stuff that now I made a whole big deal about never Doing chat be gpt But I did actually end up signing up for an account and trying it out because you know peer pressure and all that stuff And uh, yeah, it's you know, really cool. But um So as is usual when there's something that's very popular that is proprietary Mozilla takes it upon themselves to make a open source version of it So they've done it with like the metaverse. They've done it with you know, obviously a browser They've done it with several other things as well the the voice recognition stuff comes to mind And ai seems to be the next thing that they're going to tackle um The question I have whenever they come up with a new uh project is you know, is mozilla really the you know The hemat that we want behind is mozilla really the company we want to be we want to be working on this and the answer to that is Sort of yes and sort of no at the same time Yeah The wonderful thing about mozilla is that they are fully committed to this being open source And as a result they will be probably at least using the mozilla public license with it, which means that the It's open source and it's relatively regarded and it's going to be relatively regarded as free and open source That said they are committing 30 million dollars Which is one third of the google fund to to this uh startup that they're calling mozilla.ai because it's very creative right Sky net here we come Yep, that said, uh, is there going to be a monetary income for this So mozilla can eventually get off the google fund. Who knows this is a rabbit hole They're not going to get out of this anytime soon. No, this is going to be a money sink for a very long time if they keep it up Uh, and that's just because we know that's we know that to be true because the open ai or whatever Has had billions of dollars put into it and they've never been profitable um that they're the Thing about ai of course is going to be that it requires a ton of work In a ton of time And my worry every time that mozilla comes up with another project my worry is that the prime For me what I want from mozilla is exactly one thing. I want them to make firefox good and to keep it good That's my personal favorite thing here is where they get quoted here as to saying that they want to make their a That they want to prioritize human agency and the interest of users at at the core Which makes me wonder, uh, will uh, mozilla will mozilla is ai be nearly as aggressive as being Because apparently being's ai will sit there and shout at you and accuse you of doing things Accusing things which apparently it doesn't do that now according to microsoft, but people are still saying it does it anyway Don't connect ai to the internet. It will create a Uh A mind of its own and it's the apocalypse and skyline It won't it won't be long before there's a reddit There's a subreddit dedicated to just making that ai do very shady and illegal things Do anything like we talked like we talked earlier Anything that's done for the good will be used for evil That said that said I will still continue to give $25 a month to mozilla because I still believe that mozilla at at the very core is a good company It's just that their leadership is still going to be skeptic. It's still going to be sketch as always wait For someone who uses revolvely, uh It was already a not open source, you know Don't beat me over that. I will I'm gonna say something good for once about mozilla firefox. Let me do it. Okay Uh Mozilla firefox, I guess is the only one not using chromium in the back end. Yeah, am I wrong? No, what? Um, yeah, nobody's gonna web I'm using it over right now. It's actually pretty cool right now. This place released From the podcast i'm just pointing this out so you don't But 90 90 or 95 of all browsers, uh that exists use some sort of Google chromium or chrome engine on the back end Uh, uh, well according to last pornhub survey Um, well firefox has a 12 market share So it's a little bit more than it's a little bit less than 90 percent. It's like 88 Well, still, uh firefox is one of the minority that's not using a chromium engine on the back end I give it a thumbs up for that. They're they're not they have not sold to to evil google Oh Well, I mean obviously the asset threes and why you'd want to use firefox the poor I was making Was that whenever they come up with a new project That's going to take millions and millions of dollars It makes me worry about the future firefox because that's that has to be their main project product Whatever And it seems that the the more spread out that they are going to be the the More I worry about firefox You know maintaining what it is right now and not getting worse Honestly, the only project that mozilla seems to make that actually makes an income is Thunderbird and technically mozilla only has a 30 stake in thunderbird these days Okay, I don't know but they're not actually really making any money whatsoever off of thunderbird Uh firefox is basically losing mozilla money It Hammering money. Yeah, well everything Which is why google is paying mozilla 100 million a year Yeah, all right. Anyways, let's go ahead and wrap this up go around move on to the thingies of the week. So Steve your your thingy of the week My thingy of the week is a strange one this week I've been updating this package for over six months now on my repositories and I never Really thought about talking about it It has been it has proven to be very useful lately and it's called system monitor in System monitoring center smc as I call it for short I I included a screenshot if you want to show it on the stream if you don't It's just a monitoring tool to monitor your temperatures your cpu usage your ram usage And it has way more information than kde's version because i'm a kde user I needed something to be more Transparent and that tool is amazing. It has a nice ui easy to read easy to understand And it even monitors your internet connection shows you where the traffic is coming from going to Shit load of information and yeah, it's a cool little tool. Not very big. It's a few hundred kilobytes Maybe a megabyte at most Uh, and it's uh, it's been my go-to whenever I wanted to monitor. It looks like something you would download from download.com and have to bypass Several different things several different bars that it wants to install for you So that you don't remember back in the day when you had downloaded some download.com it offered to install the aol bar and the Yeah, I know it looks like that It it does look like that it reminded me a bit when I first started using it But then I got into using it more and more if you go for the more info Tell you what we're gonna live install this right now Uh, let's take a look at this here. You're ruining transforms. Josh. Don't do it I'm just changing my camera. All right. I think you're doing that in discord Let's look at this here. Uh, okay. So, uh, we've got a live cpu readout, uh ram percentage We got some process controls. So this basically just looks like, uh This looks an awful lot like this, but it just seems to have a actually quite a bit more detail It does that's why I use it does seem to have some gpu support, but of course Me the arc gpu is probably well, it seems to be reading the right one, but uh, it doesn't seem to be just playing anything in here Uh, looks like it could detect cpu course processes tells me which users are logged in Uh, integrate system d services basic system information. It's actually pretty comprehensive Yes, it is. That's why I use it and uh, even network it shows you the network traffic going coming and everything And there goes the power Uh, but no, don't worry. Don't worry. It's gonna come back. It's before midnight Uh, it seems pretty cool But uh, it's a very useful tool. I recommend people who like just To use something windows like Coming from windows. That's very similar to task manager. Just with a better UI Yeah, it's called system monitoring center is the name on gnome software. Uh, looks like it's available on the gnome software That was yeah It's available as a flat pack Oh really? I didn't know that. Yep. Well, I should stop updating it and offer the flat back instead Josh your thingy of the week Uh, my thingy of the week is a beautiful new note-taking application, which I am currently working on the replacing emacs with Uh, because the only thing I use out of emacs is org mode for the notes And this is going to be a very long-term project because I've I've decided I was going Is I'm going to integrate next cloud into my life seeing as I run a next cloud server for the purposes of this podcast and my own personal uses anyway So I wanted to take advantage of next cloud notes and set up this application called iotus Uh, it's got a weird name, but it's also one of their convergent applications So like, uh, it will work on like your pine phone or like any of your Linux phones And as well as your desktop as well I had It uses a markdown send Syntax so uh, basically matt you're you could probably just use this thing just fine It does not seem to save as local files But you can Get it to generate local files too if you use the if you use a command line argument with it So which basically means that you're probably never going to use it anyway And it has a very very very fast Sync sync process with next cloud. It's using a direct api rather than what what's something like a qo notes would use Which is more like an rss based sync solution But uh, you know it it seems to work pretty well I mean I can just uh flip my camera back over here And uh, so this is just like a little test note that I put into you can get like an actual render note here And like I just said it's just standard markdown syntax And uh, this is the only note that I've got in it right now. Uh, at least that I'm willing to show you But like I said, it's it's got some categorization and some tagging and some features with that too and uh I've got I've got it syncing with next cloud right now But yeah, uh, that's all it is. It's the most basic Note-taking application you can have besides using like a standard text editor editing text files. Yeah Sounds really cool. All right, so mine's mine can be done really quick Just something that I pulled off because I've been using it for a long time and Maybe other people don't know about it, but it's called nerd fonts. It's a huge collection of Uh fonts that you can use to theme your system Now obviously it includes just regular fonts, but a lot of them have been Uh, you know altered in order to have icons and supports and stuff like that. So A lot of people use font awesome, but font awesome is very, um proprietary obviously, but also They update it Font awesome has some really weird versioning issues Like if you're using version five, you know, you only get access to those and you have to use version six So there's a chance if you want to use font awesome, you have to use multiple different versions of Of the the fonts, which is can be messy as hell And so a lot of people who have problems like using poly bar with font awesomes and they have, um Problems getting the icons to show up. Usually it's because they're using the wrong version of font awesome Nerd fonts don't have doesn't have that problem if you're using the verse You just have the fonts on your system and yes, they do update it But you you can just pull those in and do updates as you normally would You know, they're not they're not separate versions that still continue to exist once they're gone Anyways, they're also they're also nerd fonts has a huge selection of fonts I mean if you were to download them all it's something like eight or nine gigabytes worth of fonts, which is just Nuts i'm the only one stupid enough to download the entire package and install them all Usually you're not you're not the only you're not the only one. I have the I maintain The package which is 2.3 gigabytes Uh, but I once installed it's eight gigabytes. Yes So Unless you're your package maintainer or you're you know me Chances are you won't download them, but you can go to their website and just go to their The download page and it'll take you through all those fonts that they have and you can just download individual fonts Obviously, they're mostly focused on Monos fonts and and stuff like that, but they do have others My favorite is jet brains motto nerd font, which is really good. So if you are mine too mine too But I'll have everyone know that recently they made the move to the extras repository on arch So they're no longer on the you are Nerd fonts aren't on the you are anymore Nope, why now they move they've been promoted Been promoted to the extra extras repository in the regular repository. Okay Now they're they're no they're no longer called nerd dash fonts now. They're called ttf dash nerd dash the name of the font Yeah, um, I I never installed it from the you are anyways I just installed it just pulled down the get repo and then ran the Just run the shell script to to install everything. Yeah, that's exactly what you do because it just it works so good um I always have this problem The biggest problem I have with nerd fonts is because they're so big and because of the way I install them I always have them in my get repository where I download all my get stuff And half the time I forget to exclude that file from rsync when I do my backups So every single I have like probably 40 copies of nerd font sitting on my external hard drive Just taking up space, which is dumb, but I I need to remember to exclude that file which I haven't done also Uh, if you do install like from they used to be when you install from the you are you you get you guys know how like, uh The pacman and and any a you are helper will usually keep a cache of the the file package every time they do an update Stuff like that if you don't if you forget to exclude your cache files from your rsync script or whatever that will Cause you to have a huge backup for that cache file because the entire nerd fonts package is basically stored there Um, so that that's another thing to keep in mind because it is it is a very big package if you download all of them That's why I recommend just finding the one that you want and you know downloading it. 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