 Hey everyone, welcome to the Zelda Informer podcast episode number eight this week is interesting So we had a special guest who had to cancel on us literally at the last moment my co-host Canceled on me although he canceled on me two days ago. He's on vacation. Thanks Alfred And then we also had another Zelda Informer our comic artist and other he does other art Stuff for us at the website Trey who said he was gonna be here and never showed up So this week we have three people on the podcast in addition to myself your host and these three people I do not know them They are fans of our website. They literally answered a plea on Twitter Hey, could anyone do a podcast right now? These three step to the plate So we got Mason with us today Say hi Mason. Hey, what's up guys? and then Kevin everybody itself and Last but not least Francisco. How you guys doing? Awesome, so as I was telling you before we started recording. Thank you so much for joining us this week I'm highly appreciative because without you guys it would just be me and let me tell you our fans have other ways to Watch just me if they that's what they want All right So we're gonna get right into it here our first 30-minute segment just reminding our listeners and viewers if you're watching our video podcast This is select topics that happened because I chose them so live with it So the first thing we're gonna talk about is Actually some news that hit right before we were recording actually it was a few you know It was like 12 hours ago a EG aonuma Apparently is the reason that breath of the wild was delayed in a recent interview with Edge magazine he Stated this when he was talking about why breath of the wild was delayed He said that we have these milestones during development I play the game then give staff my comments my advice on what direction they should be heading in at one of the Milestones the game was fantastic. There were so many great elements, but at the next milestone that was all gone I Made a lot of comments about what they needed to add But I never told them what I thought was good about the game at that milestone So they added stuff that I had recommended But they also added some other elements They thought would work well and that ended up breaking all of the good parts of the previous build I learned that when it's good I have to say so if I had managed that well, maybe development wouldn't have extended quite so much All right So we know back during E3 or at least I know I don't know if you guys know obviously your fans I had no idea how much you know we'll find out But if you didn't know Sugar on Miyamoto gave a reason during E3 as to why breath of the wild was delayed Stating that it had to do with the physics engine not being ready and needing more work Now we have the person who has actually in charge of the game telling us well It actually was my fault because I told them stuff didn't tell them what was good So they ended up changing elements of what was good and they had a revert everything back So the discussion point here is You know, is this an acceptable excuse to you for why breath of the wild has now suffered two delays three Two three something like that. I think three Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah 2015 to 2016 The 2017 Like I mean though Am I gonna go first in this topic? I should go for it. I mean the way I see it when it comes to delays Doesn't care how many you do Because they're delaying it for a good reason right their intent is to create the best version of the game that they Could possibly make and as long as you're as long as that's their intention I Don't care what the excuse is if it's to fix the game and to make it as good as it can be then I'm all for it No, I definitely get get what you're saying there. I think for me What I loved about this comment Is that he stated it publicly that he's admitting that I screwed up like She really said his thing other people have said things I stayed you know He stated in March of 2015 when they first delayed the game that it was to add new ideas to it It turned out that yeah, maybe it was to add new ideas But there were ideas that should have already been implemented if he didn't screw up in the first place, right? So There was another quote back during E3 I don't know if it was from I think it was from Shigeru Miyamoto or it was Bill Trennan one of the two and they said that They decided about two years ago that this game was gonna also come out on NX in addition to Wii U and At that time two years ago would have been when they revealed breath of the wild then just called the legend of Zelda for Wii U And it they said several times it'll be exclusive the Wii U exclusive the Wii U obviously it Apparently back then they knew it wasn't going to be exclusive So I would kind of look at it like this if he didn't screw up We would have probably gotten breath of the wild last year and then they would have most likely remastered it for the NX in 2017 That that's what I kind of get so it's almost like I think he's apologizing to the public here Saying I'm sorry that screwed up. You should have had this game last year. Yeah, it's my fault You could have it this year, but now we're so close to the NX release That it doesn't make fiscal sense to release it three months before you're gonna release it again well, I mean the way you see it He can apologize all he wants at the end of the day His apology is going to be breath of the wild itself because sure if it if it turns out to be an amazing game Then all of the excuse is always great. Yeah, I mean Just right. I don't even care. Okay. So obviously I was at E3. I got to play it like six times Nice, I don't care. I don't care if we ever get off the Great Plateau. Oh, yeah The Great Plateau itself is so much fun that it's like a game in that of itself. I get I could explore that for weeks It's insane how big it was and that was like a very small portion of the actual 2% yeah, yeah, I think it's a little more than 1% but they said they later said it was less than 2% So and they were taught they were just talking of the game's content So some people took it to mean of the size of the world. They were just talking content wise Well, I believe they also mentioned how it was 12 times bigger than Big statement right there. That's So Kevin Yeah, you're you're sitting in front of a genome and he's like look I screwed up. I Delayed the game didn't want to admit it a year ago. I'm telling you now. How does it make you feel? I mean, I'm glad he's being honest now and I think kind of understand why he made one of the way But I think maybe some people wouldn't have been as mad about the delay if he had said that earlier I think it would have been a little bit more forgiving about it. Yeah, that's true. I Think You know you bring up a point, you know, maybe people would have been more forgiving I think they would have been less forgiving to be honest if he had said 2015 if he would have came out like look we're delaying the game the next year We're delaying the game because I I screwed up. I made a mistake It would to me if if that came out at the time and remember they had just I think it was just three months prior They had the video game awards Or they did their first like gameplay of the game granted it was off-screen footage, but it still happened So like it seemed like they were consistently advertising the game and got remember at that time They also said when he announced that he said we're not going to be a d3 either Which that was a big shocker to people too. Oh, no I'm gonna have the game at E3 and It seems like it's because of everything that he screwed up So if he had been like look I made a mistake messed up. I screwed up the dev team It might have made people not only lose faith in the game It might have made people lose faith in in his ability to lead the game Yeah, like And they knew at the time that it was going to be a negative reception to the delay So maybe you know, he didn't lie. I know some people have told me. Oh, well, he lied He didn't lie they the game is delayed because they do have to add new features But the reason they had to add those new features He didn't want to disclose because I think he wanted to avoid. I don't know if it's scrutiny. He was trying to avoid I Don't know that that's just the way I take it based on what I remember from fans Being all mad about it. I don't think they would have been any less mad if you would have been like well Here's why it's delayed. I messed up. Well, I mean they would have been happy. He could admit to his mistake Still would have been like but you've been how long have you been running Zelda for I mean 15 16 years, right? Why are you still making this mistake? But I mean at the same time like I'm a little 50-50 on that on that opinion because yeah I feel like there would have been a little bit of outrage But once like once people would have saw what they actually saw at this most recent E3 I feel like they would have forgiven them. They would have been like, yeah, he screwed up And I think yeah Like I think the reason they skipped E3 last year now in hindsight is because of his screw-up all the elements Oh, yeah making that demo at E3 fantastic We're screwed up and not ready So they're like well We can't show it because it's not gonna be what the game is going so opposed to Experience like they did it wouldn't have been the best presentation of what they wanted people to experience the first time They play it exactly Mason you got anything to add. I mean I kind of agree with Kevin I mean it just depends on like even how you said how like Why would he have not said something earlier? You know people probably would have been a little more apologetic over it But at the same time, it's like why would you not tell your team that this game is not how you want it? Or you know what I mean? It's just like why would you keep and hold all that back and let them? Yeah, you're kind of giving them more creative like flow, but at the same time you're limiting it also You know if you want everything a certain way and then once it gets done It's like wow this isn't really what I was wanting and then of course that pushes the game back even more So in my eyes, I'm like I can see both situations But I just feel like it could be a little it could have been done a little bit better I just feel like if it was a little bit earlier. He did mention something people would be a little more understanding Yeah, but it's been two years since no, yeah two years since we've seen the game like announced now and it's insane And I mean they've delayed games so many years like Yoshi's a woolly world not to like get off topic I'm just saying like oh years and years you see it infamous, right? Yeah Yeah, but Zelda Zelda's no exception Zelda almost always gets delayed. Yeah, right But that I mean that's something to be expected right But that that's the thing about delaying their games is that even though they do it most of the time It's worth it and they write it for a good reason And like the game looks so good like I mean I sat on a computer and watched it But I had the chance to go but I didn't because I was all they were showing it I didn't feel like I was flying all the way over there to California was worth it, you know Okay, put it this way put it this way my day job is Zeldin former like I'm paid to do this And I don't know if it was worth it for me really I paid $3,000 to go I'm still behind on rent because of that trip so Don't be wrong. It was fantastic. I'm wearing, you know, I'll try to show it on camera I'm wearing my breath of the wild shirt. I got there. I got my six coins for all six times I played it around. I will buy one of those off you. I'm just saying I need well, I mean if you want to pay my rent, I maybe I can give you the Yes, sir. I got you No, it's like it looks I'm excited for it. Yeah, it definitely You know, it's a one-of-a-kind experience. I'll just put it that way, right If people want to know like see some of my gameplay you can go to our YouTube channel youtube.com slash Zeldin former And there's the whole bunch of like I think right now we have a video over a hundred thousand views of me Defeating step talus one of the overall bosses Apparently from what commenters have said like I'm the only person they've seen who's beaten it who actually looks like he knows What he's doing Well, you are I should also remind remind people that are watching it and think oh, you know, somebody's doing That's like the third time. I've killed them. So I kind of had it mastered by then Plus I knew like how much cool moves like shield surfing and stuff that a lot of people on the show Right, I mean that's the main thing about the birth of a wild that like took me off court was just how Surprising the amount of support and like sort of praise it was getting right because usually like when Zell is at e3 or whatever You know, you get like the Nintendo fans on it You weren't getting people from from all walks of life looking at the wild as like Sensational thing it it blew everyone away Yeah, it had had everyone Excited not just Nintendo fans and that's what surprised me the most and that's what made it worth it and like in my eyes in terms of like delaying it is that like It was unlike anything anyone has ever seen before Sure, sure So hopefully Our listeners and viewers you kind of got both sides of the coin there like you could see like He screwed up so we could have got this game a lot sooner. So you can be mad at him if you want But A's man and up to it. Hopefully he learned and since he's still the producer of the Zelda series He will probably still be in charge of the Zelda series when the next console game comes out that Yeah, he probably is never gonna make that mistake again So moving on to our second topic So, I know the whole world is still enamored with Pokemon go. Oh boy But something, you know, Pokemon go was technically Technically over a week ago. So we talked about that in the last podcast Something else happened this past week it feels like forever ago, but it really isn't Nintendo announced the Nintendo classic edition Yes And I hate you know saying this but Zeldin former does not have a post that has all the information about it in one post So you guys can go to I'll put a link down in the description as well I have a I put a summary post up on my Like my website a site I own Nintendo Prime comm I'll put a link down there if you want to go check that out and get everything you want to know about it But here's the basic rundown of what this thing is it is Like if you go to Walmart, you see like those video game packs for like Atari or whatever the plug-and-play video game packs That's what this is. It is a mini box that looks like an NES that you that fits in the palm of your hand It's got an HDMI out. It has a USB power So I'm assuming you could it'll come with a power cord. I'm assuming but you could probably use any other USB power cords that you have it has let me see I'm thinking it's got 30 games and The games are like not shovelware They're they're all from the NES era and they are some of the very best games from that era Including for you know our Zelda viewers out there are Zelda fans The two Zelda games that came out on NES so that would be the Legend of Zelda and the adventure link It does not well, they don't know if it's going to support scanline mode yet If I'm guessing that's not they're just gonna have it look as crisp as it possibly can on your HDTV And Yeah, that's really it. There's no internet connection. They'll never be future updates or more games added. I might mean that's just what it is It is a collection pack of classic NES titles and they're not just Nintendo games like there's Final Fantasy I think I saw on there so there's some third-party games in there and Here's the kicker it only cost $60 In the United States. It's really good white the deal. I say oh Oh, and I forgot thought they controllers for it. They are Basically replicas of NES controllers, but they are not NES controllers like you can't use your old NES controllers with it It's not compatible But what it what they did do if you actually look at the connector spot the connector spot is the same connection spot You use on a Wiimote on the back end so you can use the NES I'm sorry the Nintendo Classic Edition controllers with your Wiimotes on NES games on your Wii and Wii U And you can also conversely for player to Use the pro controller and the classic controller or classic controller classic pro control I don't know they have so many different controllers. They were these in that we era But two of those controllers that you would use for classic games like for Super Nintendo games and NES games You can use on this system So the cross-company only for player to player one always has to use the For some reason I don't know why but it's the same connector, but whatever the player one always has to use the Nintendo Classic Edition controller That I assume comes with the console Oh, and to get another Nintendo Classic Edition controller. It's like 20 bucks little pricey for a replica NES controller, but For the thing being $60 though. It's not really I mean if you think about it for 60 bucks forget the fact it's a plug-and-play system You can't even right now go on the e-shop and buy all 30 of those games for 60 bucks, right exactly Which has some people upset because now like okay, so you can sell these games cheap, so I Was gonna say for me, it's like I have never bought any digital games I mean I have some but it's not I don't have a collection of them So I mean for me it's like I was born in 1997 So I wasn't really around for the NES era, but this thing is adorable It fits in the palm of your hand and it's amazing young like When you see all the e-shop games and stuff It's like like for example, like whatever, you know, I mean any of the 30 on that list They're like seven eight nine bucks and it's like yeah, that's a okay deal I guess but we didn't go out in a few months even and just buy this thing for 60 bucks and have all the ones you Pay like 154 total maybe I feel this console and In two ways because I've been going back forth with some fans about the viability of the console And like why it exists when there's already ways to get these games legally Plus there's people talking to all the illegal ways you can get it Just just to squash that in the bud You cannot compare a legal way to obtain something to an illegal way to obtain something and yes You can legally create ROMs and no it's not as easy as a plug-and-play system. So it is not comparable Plus you have to actually own the NES games to create your arm And have you been on the NES game use game market? They're expensive Very expensive. They're considered vintage. It's just not even worth comparing But so to get to my the points I was trying to make I just wanted to admit put those on a side Because I'm tired of hearing that argument from fans Sorry your ROMs and emulators are not the same thing Okay, so I think I Think you guys from the brief time I've talked to you are pretty reasonable and can kind of agree that the Wii U has been a sales failure Yes, yes You might love the Wii U like I love the Wii U. I think I mean fantastic library It's like my second favorite Nintendo console next to the Super Nintendo, but It hasn't been a success financially or sales wise for the most part they the a lot of people Bought like VC games on it and that's fine. You get your virtual console games That's great, but not a lot of people own that system anymore people that got virtual console games on the Wii don't really play their Wii anymore, right and Plus like there's that all like the universal account system isn't really a universal account system And like if you transfer your Wii games to your Wii U like it's in a separate boot mode, and it's just not fun This console is for people who one aren't heavily invested in the virtual console and two don't already own a Wii U To play these games on it is not for people who Own a Wii U and I've already bought you know over half of these games like that That's not what this console is for. This is tapping into well My generation I guess or the generation from the 90s. I grew up playing like NES games You know it as an example, I'm gonna buy this system not for myself I have all like most of these games either in the original format for NES or on virtual console or in Yeah, virtual console I think I actually own the Zelda games on both 3ds and Wii U like I for some reason paid for twice. I'm an idiot But the system I'm gonna buy is gonna be for my kids Because my kids I've had them try to play NES games forget that you know They're fairly difficult compared to like phone games that my kids play But what what actually makes it so hard for them is they can't hold the game pad They can't hold the pro controller come on hands are too small NES controllers for some reason this is the brilliance of NES controllers. They fit all hand sizes It's crazy And I'm gonna get them this system. So when they Want to start playing dad I want to play that Breath of the Wild Zelda games they know about Zelda games I mean I got a daughter who's five a son is three They love watching me play Zelda But they want to play and they just can't do it because they can't get their hands on the buttons Even though even like using like Twilight Princess or the Wiimote and stuff But even that like it's hard for them to grasp two different things two different hands so They Will be enamored with this system. It is a way for me to get them into the games I grew up with cheaply and In a way that's gonna be comfortable for them Yeah, I mean plus I don't have to worry about them going online with it and getting someone's swearing at them Yeah, like I don't I don't see why anyone would ever be against this like sure it might not be Totally necessary, but who cares about whether or not it's necessary. It's it's yeah Right the negativity towards it is mostly I guess from what I've seen It's the internet being people it's people thinking it. Well, it's people thinking that Nintendo is relying on I think it's people okay There's a large group of Nintendo fans that are Wii U owners that are upset at Nintendo the fact that they don't have really any More Wii U games coming except for Paper Mario And that bothers them it you know whatever this is the final year of the Wii U And the final year of almost every Nintendo console ever released has no games Because they stop making games so they can make games for the new console. That's just what Nintendo does I don't agree with that. I think it's stupid too I'm right with you guys being mad about that But but the people that are mad at Nintendo about that are then mad about this because they think Nintendo is trying to make up Not having games for that by relying on their retroness like okay retro gaming in let's rely on it Let's cash grab off of it and to be fair Nintendo is a business everything they do is intended to make money So that Wii U that you own They plan to make money off of that doesn't mean they did but they were planning to they didn't release it planning for it to fail and I don't I think people that have the attitude are looking at this all wrong Okay, so we have to look at what Nintendo's been doing lately Pokemon Go just released now granite Nintendo deserves very little credit for that game They basically just okayed it and threw some money at Niantic and they took ingress put a Pokemon skin on it and It's blowing up the world But Nintendo does get money from that so Nintendo figure that it would be pretty popular It's more popular than I think anyone thought it would be and they're making making bank off that They this is coming off an E3 in which Nintendo Was really bold they did not have a Nintendo Direct did not have a digital presentation. They did not have a Press conference. It was we're at E3. We'll do a live stream. We'll talk about like Pokemon and Zelda, I think they there's a couple other games. I can't remember monster hunter and they have Mario Party Star Rush There you go, see I didn't get the I didn't get to watch the streams live So of course you guys know more than me Although I didn't watch them after but that was for an E3 bet special Anyways, I was looking for certain things. I really wasn't paying a whole lot of attention anyways so Nintendo did that and then on the show floor it was just Zelda it was just Breath of the Wild if you were at Nintendo's booth You were there for one reason and one reason only and it's crazy because no Platform holder has ever done that in the history of video games and pretty much any conference ever where they just come with one game And that's all you get and despite that that one game was so good that It has single-handedly dominated all the E3 awards all the E3 coverage It is the game everyone's talking about a D3 because that's just how good it was So Nintendo had all this positive press from that they have even more positive press from Pokemon goal Yes, there's been some negative press where people are being idiots and walking in front of cars or not They're not to like like people are using the app to like rob people like okay But that's not that's not anyone's fault really outside of the person playing the game being stupid right For a lot of that I'm not saying the people that robbed in the parking lot were necessarily their fault, but People a lot of the bad stuff happening. It's just people being idiots like if you're using Pokemon goal watch where you're walking It says it right when you open up the app really bad about I don't even feel that bad about the robbery one because they Caught the people who did the robbing stuff and they got all their stuff back Okay, I feel bad about the guy who there looks like that guy these two teens were parked outside of a house and Some guys started shooting at them. Yes That's ridiculous and I think it's that's not Pokemon goals problem That's the person that decided that a proper reaction to people who aren't even on your property Is to shoot at them because they look suspicious. I mean look okay Like I look at who you like I've made that's a bigger problem with America like I'm not against like people having guns But man like people like that shouldn't be allowed to have guns If they're in your house fine if they're on your lawn give them a warning before you shoot them You know that they're in their car parked on the side of the road like my thing is like no matter what type of day I was I mean there's two teenagers sitting in a car in front of your house Sure, but you've got to know that late in the game. It was like four or five days after this came out You've got to know everybody is playing this you've seen on Facebook. I guarantee that man probably doesn't mean I mean Someone who doesn't use Facebook or so There's like a whole generation of people that don't they're not plugged in like right Yeah, they do but even like a new news on TV. They've talked about it. Yeah. Yeah, it's everywhere I mean in the very off chance you haven't heard about it. I mean, yeah Maybe be suspicious, but don't shoot at the people like for real Yeah, but a couple teenage and that's like they were teenagers to yeah How threatening could the teenagers run you have a gun they don't how I'll threaten you do they really look Yeah, but I mean, it's either anyways So for the most part it's been pretty positive for Nintendo and their stock has gone way up In fact, I think the last thing I read on their stock was it's at it's as high as it was back in 2010 which Although that was coming down from where it was in 2008 2009 That was still really high compared to like all other generations of systems beyond the we DS Anyways, so their stocks Rising from that then they announced the NES classic, which I admit the NES classic is for a niche crowd It is for people who want retro games for cheap. They want to play it with over HDMI cleanly and People who maybe like me want to introduce your kids to retro games As like a cheap Christmas present or something then you know, I don't know I already explained why I'm why I'm gonna get one for my kids and it Nintendo knows that it's receiving a lot of flak for having no Wii U games But if you're upset thinking that this is like Nintendo's just relying on the retros the NX is still coming guys Yeah, exactly thing. It's it's coming according to the Nintendo barring any delays and as we talked about earlier Nintendo loves delays It's coming and it is coming early next year three months into the year, I believe Yeah, I think it was sometime in March Three months in the year March 2017 at some point that month NX is coming later this year with all this momentum Nintendo is gonna be having some sort of press conference some sort of something going on to announce NX So they have all this momentum and we might it might be happening in September So we could be looking say Pokemon go starts trending down a little bit September hits boom NX Look, this week. It's not just Breath of the Wild look at all these games. We have Pokemon go in it Plus after after they're done with that that's like, okay, cool They announced NX now they're advertising some games had the Chinese team calling it then Pokemon Sun and moon hits Yeah Has like even with the lack of Wii U games they have a whole bunch of stuff happening have a plan E3 through the end of the year that's gonna make people excited about what Nintendo is doing. Yeah, and So so they're slowed out. Yes They've abandoned the Wii U because the Wii U failed and there's no point for them to keep pressing and pressing and pressing games To it when it's not working. It's not making them money However, they have found other ways to make money other ways to be relevant without the Wii U and The NX is still a thing like Nintendo didn't abandon console gamers. It's got at least one more crack at this and I'm excited. We'll see what happens. So that actually gonna end our same. I did have one more topic I was a talk about I'll just briefly mention it in case people aren't aware. It's a no mo is going to be Or has been asked by Nintendo to make a new IP That's exciting. Apparently he has an idea about Growing up as a thief Speculated that that would be like a Ganondorf thing because he's the king of these but When I hear new IP, I think not Yeah, because that's not a not a spin-off. That's not a new IP. That would be a spin-off game. Yeah, so So we'll see if anything comes from that, you know, maybe that he's up to the thing He says and nothing ever happens, but that would be great He didn't know was taught for years about wanting to do his own thing But the general topic was going to be about his role in the Zola series moving forward I will bring it up in the future podcast So we just have one more segment. We're going to cover some fan topics We're gonna skip the last segment. I already explained to these people ahead of time. I'm on a tight schedule And because I had to do up this all last minute. It's just you guys don't care Let's just get to those fan topics. Shall we? All right At least you're honest so So this is gonna be fun because we have fans here talking about topics other fans brought up So this should be this should be entertaining So from our Facebook page, I think so far everything I have is from our Facebook page I think anyone responded on Twitter Aiden Edge Church He says that difficulty options Should they be implemented for more hardcore gamers and I'm assuming he's talking about Zola games I'm gonna shut up on this and I'll let you guys talk. Let's start with Mason. All right Yeah, I have a little opinion on this because I'm I'm a little new to Zelda the first game I got for the franchise is Wind Waker HD and I think it was 2013 So it was it was new to me and I loved it It was like it's like one of my favorite Wii U games ever great game and not that there was many but you get my point and After that I got a link between worlds and I started getting older ones like a link to the past and games like that I like between worlds, etc. I'm not that that's all but you get what I'm saying and now with this It's like I'm not very experienced, but I know a little bit of what I'm doing So it's like I feel like a difficulty rank system kind of thing like easy medium hard, you know For hardcore people if they want to go full force Like I know they have a hard mode and like some's all the games and stuff where you have like so many hearts And you can you know, but it's like now I feel like it would be good because there are younger people that would probably want to try this and stuff And me two years ago. I know clearly what to do. I'm terrible at like puzzle games like that So it's like I wouldn't know where to go or how to get to this spot, you know, so I think it would be a good idea I think it's a good thing that it said they did at it It would be interesting to see the like a kind of the output see how people actually feel about it Sure I'm glad you brought up that there's hard boats They're a new fan of the series and you know about hard boats now to be fair hard modes have only been around I believe since Yeah, the the master quest version accurate time that released on the disc with That you could get with the wind waker plus then there was the master quest and accurate time, which was technically harder But in terms of like a new game that featured one Yes, scabbard sort of started actually like a new thing Like these hard modes are not so it is possible that if for some reason he hasn't played any game from scabbard On that he doesn't know that there already is a difficulty option But I'm gonna I'm gonna go on a live here and say that Aidan Edge Church here knows about hard modes and hero modes. He knows they exist So I'm gonna assume when he says difficulty options. He means not what those do because those don't actually Do anything but affect the damage modifiers, right? Sometimes the world, but that's it's not the same thing like it's it's just increasing the damage you take It doesn't actually make the AI any harder doesn't right enemy count Which would be basically the two big things you could do is make the AI You know make the openings to hit them a lot more difficult and have them be a lot more aggressive. I know of them. Oh Sorry, I was gonna say I know if they did do that It would be interesting because I know like a series like Mario Party has stuff like that like that easy Which is very simple and then very hard. It's like, oh my gosh How are you so good at this? But it would be cool to see that I mean it's something that would be new to all this course and it would be interesting to see how it ends Yeah, and that's and that's the thing too is that I'm actually playing Twilight Princess hero mode right now and You know just because I'm taking double damage and no hearts are spawning that doesn't necessarily mean It's more difficult right because every single battle that I get into with an enemy is basically the same thing What I picture what I picture when I see when I you know when I think of hard mode In a particular is all the game. I'm thinking more enemies and smarter enemies So for example like in Twilight Princess and in Harrowfield, right? You have a few enemies scattered about in this huge plane when I picture you hard mode. I'm thinking there are just Hens maybe hundreds of enemies just scattered all over the world ready to haunt you down But this because it's here mode. There's still just a few enemies here and there that are kind of just doing their own thing and like For some of that I I can understand that maybe they don't increase the enemy cones so drastically because the hardware can't handle it And obviously with all the Harrow Warriors, they can handle, you know all those enemies, but those enemies AI are Nothing, right? They're just they're just paper. So Outside of obviously those some of the bosses and stuff but even then you know they limit how many of those can be on the screen at one time and I think do you look at it like when I think of a difficulty mode if they would do it and Just so that everyone knows I am for there being difficult the options. I've been forward for a long time There isn't there isn't really a negative to difficulty options If you don't want them then just play the game on normal Yeah, it's gonna be the experience you would have got without them. So it's not a big deal Yeah, but When I think difficulty options, I think taking the AI and making it better Like just making it more aggressive As an example in Breath of the Wild if they were like the AI in Breath of the Wild is extremely smart but it's also a little slow at times and That's for the benefit of the player because you're getting your grips on the world Obviously, this is the very beginning part of the game. So they're not gonna have it over the difficult regardless but It's one of those where if I would take it up Oh, let me play on the hardest mode possible for this game. It would mean that the enemies would Respond quicker. I wouldn't be able to sneak up on them Very easily because they literally hear my footsteps in the grass Versus right now where you have like that quiet meter and oh if it's quiet enough, they don't hear you like no No, no, no, no in real life if I hear someone walking in tall grass. I hear them Yeah, you can't write your footstep Or you can't hide it very well So if you won't like make that more aware of what's going on make them more aggressive Like there's time that you could lock into an enemy and it still takes them, you know, three four five seconds before they attack you like In real life, they're probably just gonna club you and go after you like I I've seen brawls, man Like there is no waiting period. No, they go at you. Yeah, and that's what I think of in the hardest mode They they're more aggressive. Maybe they do slightly more damage and on top of that they're a lot smarter in their attack patterns and just the general AI and Zelda hasn't done that. I don't think it's going to do that. I think it should happen As a matter of fact as a matter of fact, that's actually what what the last of us does with with its difficulty It says right there It says you know you take right you take triple damage and the AI is way more aggressive It literally says it right right when you pick it Yeah, exactly that won't be a chart says Prussian yeah, right and and I don't know if it's just me But I kind of feel like they drew a little bit of inspiration from the last of us At least when it comes to music in Breath of the Wild because and I look at it like this all over the years playing Zelda games Fans have found a way to make the games more difficult and that's not how we should achieve our difficulty Three heart challenges are awesome. They're amazing Especially in Twilight Princess hero mode with the Ganondorf amiibo So you have 4x damage doing a three-heart run sure that's impressive stuff because it basically means if you could do that without dying Throughout the whole run that means you never got hit which that's great Like that's crazy that you just never once made a mistake and got hit or fell off a cliff or something but That's the fans making the game difficult and they're making it difficult again through damage instead of a set of damage Modifiers it's well. We don't have as much life. So we can't take as many hits So we can make less mistakes, but it doesn't actually make the game more difficult and the fact that three heart runs are very very popular That it just to tell Nintendo that hey difficulty options are good like veteran Zelda gamers want a more difficult game And you could still keep the easy mode for you know the kids and the new gamers who don't who aren't comfortable You know like growing up I used to play the doom and quake and there's difficulty modes in that and I would always hop in the extreme mode and I would get wrecked And then I ended up beating the game on you Right because it wasn't for me. I didn't enjoy the game being that difficult, but there were many people that did So it's kind of a way to cater to everyone So I don't yeah, it is it is more difficult it is because the programming wise You know you it's not just one AI you have to alter the AI like I get that it is harder to do but do it Yeah, we're gonna watch our next we could talk about this probably for a whole pocket Because I mean difficulty is obviously something that all gamers care about Whether you want the options or not we all have opinions So Megan Perry from our Facebook page They want to know what is our favorite music pieces from the Zelda series or any video game series if you'd like to Expand or pass them. Let's let Kevin start with this one I'm a huge love size out. I love to the console kitchen. Hey, I love the music in that and finally see of course nice Francisco, what's your favorite piece of music in this old man? Okay? I'm gonna have to say okay. There's a particular song in Twilight Princess. That's literally just called Twilight Princess That was that I'm I know it's strange. I know it's not about that. Well, that would have to be it because it's a mix of just It's it's telling a story in and of itself and it's just eerie and it's powerful And it gets you every single time other than the Zelda My two favorites other than Zelda would have to be the music and the last of us and also a game called just a radio future Okay, that soundtrack is absolutely amazing Good soundtrack in my game Mason, what do you got? All right? Well, I mean, that's why my princesses are obviously good music pieces But uh, I mean games from that are good, but I think Wind Waker like I said, that was my first Zelda game I have kind of a nostalgic feel for all I was hoping you were gonna bring up one way Yeah, cuz you know it very very rarely makes like people's favorite like their favorite song in the whole series Oh, no, but the Wind Waker's overall soundtrack is Yeah, no, I I like the open ocean like whenever you're sailing and stuff It's so captivating, you know, it gets you it sucks you into the adventure aspects, which is really great But then also Dragon Roots cavern. It's I love that too. Okay. Oh, yeah Yeah, I was gonna say um, I know a lot of people really like Mario Galaxy music and I do like that too But I'm thinking like Super Mario 64 era like that game in specific because It's that was my first game actually, so it's like yeah, me too It's a lot of memories like you remember going to this level and hearing this sound when you were in this area and all this stuff And it's like a nice nostalgic. Yeah, exactly Is not a negative no please like people who keep acting like it you on and like it doesn't stop like okay nostalgia is good So shut up. Yeah, I mean Yeah, I mean nostalgia literally means that like it exists because something impacted you so much when you were younger that it Sticks with you today, and that's that's why the like the little mini NES is a good thing It's Nintendo capitalizing not only on nostalgia, but on the opportunity to have a brand new audience get, you know Exactly. Hey, yeah, so much. There's enough people excited for it that if it's not for you. It's okay They don't have to make everything they do for you anyways This is hard for me when I because I've been playing Zelda basically since I was born. I'm 30 years old the Zelda series is 30 years old I my first experience with it was when I was five and I have Been in love with the Zelda series forever. I played all the games multiple times I don't play them multiple times as much as I've gotten older because I have three kids and a lot going on So it's hard for me to find the time, but I will be it as all the game at least one time now And when I say beat it, I mean like 100% the game because Because like if I 100% the game I don't feel like I have to go back and replay it because I don't have the time to do that So I've timed I've time to do that one time because it's for my job I do get the live stream once in a while, so I'll get to play the game again, but I'm not gonna 100% it anyway, so It's hard for me because I my favorite game the series is the adventure of Link and there's so many music pieces I love from that game. There's obviously the Zelda theme the actual theme song from the whole series It started on the first of the game right that that's you know, that's obviously a big important one, but you know Midna's lament was brought up like that's fantastic. I love when raker soundtrack. I love Minish Cap soundtrack a lot, too But I keep thinking What song really that I just I heard it in game I went and found it online played it on repeat several thousand times and For me, I don't know what it's called Makes me mad that I don't know what's called because when I play it on repeat I actually go to one of our videos of that game on our YouTube channel to do it So I don't actually know the name of it, but it is the song in spirit tracks And during the final boss fight how to go to the final part of it Well, all the different instruments from the different sages all come together Along in your pan flute. Well, it is like this is on a DS So like the sound quality isn't that great? It doesn't matter that music piece that singular piece is a masterpiece I honestly think that spirit tracks is one of the most underappreciated if not the most underappreciated So the game there is it was fun. It was fun. I don't know I mean Just make make so it's a well, baby But like people like yeah, but this isn't good. So we're not gonna buy spirits It's got trains. It's got trains everybody That's my favorite that's my absolute favorite Zelda music piece is that one like I don't know Probably I don't know anyone else that would probably agree with me Because there's just so much like the dark world theme from like to the past is amazing, too Yeah, but like that's the piece that sticks with me I still play that piece to this day and our timer has ran out So I'm just gonna get my last one in and this is my favorite non So this might tell you, you know, I am 30 so I tend to prefer older games And well, that's not true actually, I prefer playing newer games, but I like some things from older games and I'm calling out the moon theme from DuckTales. Oh Yeah That is to me One of the single best music tracks I think's ever been made in all the video games and what's weird is it's totally misplaced on that level It should be it should be the song for the credits or the song for the final stage in that game But it's not it's like level 2 Doesn't matter it is so good. It's like transcends gaming to me It's just yeah, that's that's that's how I feel about just a ready-of-future soundtrack It's just so we're gonna We're gonna kind of wrap things up here a little bit As I said, we're not doing our final segment because I'm crunched for time because as I already explained People skip down on the podcast. I want to thank Mason Kevin and Francisco for joining me this week It's been fantastic. If this all goes well and all the qualities good Hey, maybe you guys line up on a future one. We'll see for sure We'll see what happens Love you guys in on a full episode so you can get the full experience especially with my co-host It makes a big difference. I miss you Alfred. I miss you Oh damn it Alfred. All right, so You can go ahead and subscribe to Zelda former on YouTube if you want It's obviously you do YouTube comm slash Zelda informer You can follow us on Twitter at Zeldin former Facebook Zeldin former if you kind of get it look for Zeldin former anywhere We're there. We're on Instagram. We're on Google plus We're not even a tumbler like just look up Zelda informer. We're everywhere. We're always Playing Zelda talking about Zelda We also this podcast our audio only version if you're Listening that video will be we'll be down in the description as well We do we host that on pod beam, but you can also get on itunes We don't have it on a native thing for Android yet. I haven't really sorted that out. I don't know what I'm doing I'm just being honest So if you know what you're doing and you know how I can get it easily to Android devices, let me know and I'll figure It out Yeah, thank you for joining you can follow me at Nate chance You guys want to throw out some social media stuff for yourselves. Yeah, sure my YouTube is Mason of Delfino I make a lot of Nintendo content. So if you like that head over there, it's really cool. So yeah, nice Kevin you got anything? Sweet Francisco Twitter I'm at 55 the basement 55 Don't follow me because I really just post stuff about competitive Call of Duty. He has nothing to do with Zelda It's kind of like you're just a media head. Yeah, no, just don't don't bother don't follow me at all Don't bother. Please don't follow Don't do it. He does nothing interesting. Nothing Nothing at all. I just I just retweet just just crazy stuff. Just don't do it Bad you should just be retweeting Zeldin for all the time. Well, other than that A few exceptions here and there but for the most part don't well, thank you everyone. Thank you our three guests Thank you our listeners. It's been fun. It's been real. I got a movie to go to so I'm out. Peace I guess Bye