 Why would Muslims want to eat this? This is suffering. No need of eating a dog, right? So you don't have to kill them? There's no need to eat a lamb either. They killed them in a big blender. Oh my... So how is milk halal when there's all of this suffering involved? That's the question. I know, I know. That's the right question. I'm showing people what happens to the animals in the UK, like in the farms and in the slaughterhouses. So most of the chickens here are factory farms. They often die on their faces before they even go to the slaughterhouse. See, they can't support their body weight because they grow really fast really quickly. And they sell them in the shops? Yeah, most of the chicken that people eat here come out of these factory farms. This is turkeys. They're taking the semen from a male because the turkeys are so big now they can't mate so then they insert it into the female. That's how they breed them. Oh my goodness. I've been into heaps of these sheds myself. And they sell this also? It's always like this. It's always dead out the front. I'm not going to eat anything now. I'm not going to eat no chicken. All animals, like a dog, has a different personality. Birds, they all have their own personality. They're all experiencing this suffering. Do you know what a vegan is? A vegan, who doesn't eat in any meat or food. Yeah, and eggs and milk as well. Yeah, yeah, eggs and milk. The egg layer hens, they do the same thing too. The dairy cows, they send to the slaughterhouse. They take their calves away so the calves don't drink the milk that the humans want. They kill the calves if they're a boy because the male calves won't produce milk so they don't need them. This is the egg industry. The males don't lay eggs. So they separate the males out and then they kill them in a big blender. They kill them in a big blender. Oh my. It's called a macerator because they're useless to the egg industry if they don't lay eggs and you can't use them for their meat because they're a different breed, different species. They're egg layers. So, yeah, they kill them. Or they gas them to death. Are you a Muslim or Muslim? You're a Muslim. So the halal thing is, I know, this is another way they trick Muslims as well. Halal is just a label they use but the halal chickens come out of these farms. Yeah, yeah, dude. They don't have different farms for halal. It's just about the slaughter here in the UK. I think for the other things, they slaughter the whole leg but our way is we slaughter half of them because then the blood flows out of it. I know, and Muslims believe that it makes them unconscious or they don't feel anything. Oh my goodness, man. This is the wool industry. So most of the wool that people wear comes from Australia and this is a technique called mulesing. They're cutting their tail and the skin around their bottom so they don't develop a fly strike. But it's torture. This is actually filmed in the UK. This is shearing sheep in the UK. They're breeding the animal. Yeah, it happens because they get frustrated, they're working with a lot of animals and this just happens all the time. Have you witnessed halal slaughter? No. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. I did with my own hands on the eve. Oh, for you, sacrifice the animal for the eve. Was the goat comfortable with it? The goat isn't, but it is. You know, the tradition started from long, long ago and we do not do it for ourselves. We do it for the community. When we slaughter the goat and stuff, give the meat to the people in the area because people like in our country and stuff, they don't have money to eat the meat and stuff. I understand. It's a charity, it's a sacrifice and a charity. Yeah, it's a physical charity. This is how they slaughter halal land here in the UK. We don't do it like this in our thing. What we do is we like are like four or five people. We first take the whole legs of the sheep and the hands of the sheep and then we like hold it from the face and we are advised to take a very sharp knife so we don't make a mistake and cut half of it and then again we slice the goat. No, you have to take a very sharp knife and then you do it in one thing. One slice and that's it. I've seen it. Yeah, I have seen it. I've seen it, yeah. You think it's good to do it? It's something because... It's a good thing to do, do you believe? That's what I want to know. Slaughter animals because you eat animals. Everybody eats. So when you eat an animal, you don't slaughter every animal you eat. We don't... When you go around and you eat meat and animals... Yeah, yeah, like chicken and goat and lamb. Like you're probably getting your lamb from a slaughterhouse, yeah? That you haven't seen in the slaughterhouse. Yeah, yeah, in the UK, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, yeah. So that's how it happens here. So you can't be in control of everything that happens in slaughterhouses and farms. You're just paying... You don't even know really if it's been halal. You know, that's cool. That's cool. You don't have to do that. They're like hitting the heads and... I mean, like, there are tons of animals that they have to do in a day, but... It happens because of the number of people that want to eat meat. Yeah. And you can't get these little backyard slaughter farms that do everything right by the halal standard. It's just not possible to feed billions of people like that. How many Muslims are there on earth? They are like billions, yeah. There's probably a billion? A billion, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you think you're going to feed a billion Muslims all soap your main halal backyard? They didn't see another animal? But you know, the thing is like, first it is advised to give the meat to the relatives that are poor in your family. And then if you are capable of doing many other slaughter, many goats, then you take the goat and divide it among the community. Why do you have to give them the meat of an animal? Why can't you give them plant food? In UK, all right, fine. They have replacement for vegan things and stuff. But in country like third world countries, in undeveloped countries, like in Pakistan, back in my homeland. So in that country, meat is the elite of what a man can eat because a meat is proteins and gives you power and stuff. And they don't have other replacement for the school over there. For like the normal people, I'm saying, because the high class obviously can, the elite class can have. So it's a class thing? Yeah, it's a class thing. For the poor people, it's a tradition once in a year, the Eid al-Azza that we have, the next Eid that is coming. So that is in our tradition and we do it for the most Do you sacrifice an animal every year? Every year on Eid, yeah. You do? Yeah, I do myself. How do you feel about it? I do quick and because it is promised that the animal, the goat is like, you know, for our own sake, there are like religious things in it and we believe and because many people are eating goat over there. The whole world is. Do you have to slaughter an animal on Eid to sacrifice or can you give in other ways, charity in other ways? Is it a requirement in your religion to do this? No, no. In like Eid al-Fitr, this Eid that we celebrated like days ago, we give Eid to the people, we give money to the people. That's good. Yeah, we give money to the people, money to our kids and people who are younger than us. We have to give them the money. There's ways to sacrifice without killing an animal because right now when you go out and you have, for example, eggs and milk and cheese, you still eat that as a Muslim? Milk and cheese and eggs. Yeah, eggs, milk, cheese, yeah, everything. Okay, these aren't halal certified, are they? The one that are halal, like cow milk is halal, isn't it? Yeah, but there's no halal standard for cow milk. It's just milk is halal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it does for that. Because, you know, there are sort of mills that we can have that is halal, like cow, goat, turkey. Not like, there is another animal, we can't have it, like it's around for us. I get you, I get you, but what I'm trying to say is, this is what happens in the dairy industry, they take the calves away from the mother, the mother is upset, they get maternal trauma. So they separate the families here. So this is suffering. I want to give you something to think about. So you pay me to do this to the cow. To sacrifice now. To kill them for, well, just to say you give me money for milk and I do this to the cow, the milk industry. So I give you money. You give me money for milk? But you're doing this to the cow. I'm doing this to the cows, which is all haram. Yeah, that's it. So do you think you should be supporting that with your money? Because these people, you give them your money and they do this to the dairy cows, which is all haram in your eyes. They kill them? Well, they don't just kill them, they separate the calves, they kill the males really young in the veal industry. They send all the dairy cows to the slaughterhouse and they don't kill them halal. So how is milk halal when there's all of this suffering involved? That's the question. I know, I know. That's the right question because I'm going to give answer to what I know basically because I don't know that much about the UK system but because we own a farm back in our country so I know more about it. So what we do is before taking the milk out of the cow, a female cow, if they have children, first we, you know, untie them and let them go to the mother. And then they bring the mother's milk and to a certain point we let them bring the milk and then we take them back and then we start our turn to fill the, you know, the mugs and the buckets and then when we fill them, then we take them to the home and give them to our family and give them the milk. Okay, that's a lot different because you're here now and you live here? Yeah, yeah. No, no, I'm like being living here as a student now. As a student? Yeah, as a student. Okay, okay, okay. I'm more concerned with what? I can see there is some clearly and I don't agree to that. Yeah, if you don't agree with that, then here, like when you cruise around, why aren't you vegan? Here. Yeah. Because I didn't know about that before. Okay. Yeah. But would you? Because I saw this video and this is quite bad. So as a Muslim, how can you always, how can you be sure that they are following the guidelines that you agree with? Because, you know, as an international student, when we come over here, we don't like go into that because there are 100 billion of other things that are going, all we do is search for a halal or haram, that's it. I know. I can put halal on a tortured dog body, tell you it's a halal lamb and you won't know. Yeah, I won't know. So I know what happens in the industries here because I've been investigating and looking into it for a long time. One of my friends told me that there is some certified halal company over here that before having a tag in a shop or something where halal food is being served, you have to be certified from them. So if, so now we have to look to the dad company, like what is it doing? Because, you know, we are just running people over here. Yeah. So our opinion doesn't matter. That's obvious. But you can never trust that that halal is actually halal. Yeah, that's the point. Because then if it isn't halal, then that means they are like receiving us as well. Deceiving it. I mean, and I understand that you don't know because you're just trusting the label. I would argue this, that the egg industry is haram, the dairy industry is haram, the meat industry is haram, and the fishing industry, fishing isn't even covered by halal standards. You don't have halal certified fish. You buy some fish. You don't have to look for a halal label, do you? Fish is like halal for us. Yeah. Yeah, no matter what. So I can get a fish. I can torch a fish for 20 minutes and then I can chop that fish up and give it to you and you won't even check if I tortured the fish. Because you know why? Because back when the Hadiths were written, they didn't even consider fish feeling pain. So they drag them up out of the ocean. They suffocate on each other. They're hooked in the face. There's no slaughter guidelines on boats, period. The most of the suffering on earth happens in the fishing industry. So why isn't there halal fish? Halal fish basically because I think... Can you torture a fish? No, we cannot torture a fish. No, I'm just asking you, is it possible for a fish to experience suffering? Can a fish feel pain? Every living thing does feel pain, yeah. Anyone with a brain and nerves and fish have a brain and nerves, yeah? Yeah, they do. Yeah, so what I'm asking is why isn't that covered under halal certification? Then the halal companies have to be more into it and they need to be more working to it. Things have changed. Things have changed. And in the Hidayah, it's not mentioned. You know, one thing, one thing, I'd like to explain a chain to you. If you buy me for a thousand people, then there comes a point, then you have to look into it. Like thousand animals at one time. How are they being sacrificed or how are they being treated? Because there comes a difference. If I am a buyer, I go to a butcher shop. He's doing it in front of me. He doesn't torture it. He just sacrifices it, all right? And then he gives the meat to me. That's fine. But if you are taking the meat in thousand quantity, quantity mattering, and then they do this to the animals. Basically, that's wrong because it's still a living animal. In my philosophy, I don't think it's right to kill an animal if it's needless. If I don't need to eat an animal, I don't do it. Yeah. And it's completely halal to be vegan. Yeah, you can be vegan. You are not stopped. So you have a choice. Yeah, you have a choice. You have a choice at the end of the day. It's your preference. Like it isn't like said to a, you have to eat milk, you have to like drink milk and eat eggs. It is on you what you eat. But it is given to us what we can eat and what we cannot eat. We cannot eat cat and dogs. As you said, no need of eating a dog, right? So you don't have to kill them. There's no need to eat a lamb, either. Lamb meat is halal for us, so we do eat. Yeah, but there's no need to do it. What? You have a choice. What's stronger, the lamb's preference to live or your preference to have a quick meal? Well, at the end of the day, they are going to die as well if we don't eat them. Yeah, well, maybe of old age. You're going to die anyway. I don't want to kill you and eat you. You're going to die anyway. Oh, don't worry about that. She's going to die. She's going to die. That's the thing. I would have like argued with you if you said that we are going to live forever and we're not going to die. So your physical form, your physical form is going to die anyway. Yeah, I'm going to say to them like, if the animal doesn't die, what are you killing them? But when we know that we are allowed to eat This is fish. This is fish. You know, 50% of the fish on earth are factory farmed fish. And there's no slaughter guidelines like I'm telling you. This is suffering. I can see their handbrake. No, this is standard on fishing boats. There's no slaughter guidelines at all. Why would Muslims want to eat this? This is suffering. But it's not covered. This is what I'm saying. Sometimes you have to look outside your religion and see inside of your own heart and your own conscience. For fish, I don't know that much because we are not into fishes that much, you know. But for goat and cow, you can, but I don't know about this fish stuff because I need to know for it because I know why we like slaughter the animal because to get rid of the blood in them because the nerves when they try to like breathe the blood comes out of the veins and the bad blood is all out of them. And then we start the next process. Seems like a big process just to eat when you could just have some fruits or some grains or some bread or something. We can have like vegan food as well. We eat fruits, vegetables, everything. Yeah? But meat is something that we cannot give easily. I want to keep saying we, we, we. I want to know just about you. It isn't right to eat that meat because they are torturing the animals. That isn't the right way. Then you need to stop the authorities. You need to protest against them. What power do you have right now? Right now I... Three times a day. I'll give you a hint. Three times a day. What power do you have? What power I have. In the morning you do something. At lunchtime you do something. At dinnertime you do something. What power do you have? In morning I prefer like milk and my regular, you know, stuff. So the dairy industry and stuff. Bananas good? What about, what about oat milk? Oat milk is good. There's no cow. There's no, there's no suffering. At lunchtime, what can you do? You can have vegan chicken. You know? You know there's no bird? No factory farms? You can be guaranteed that salah. But does it have the same amount of power as... Yeah. Yeah, I mean you can get just as much protein from plants. As long as you're eating enough calories you'll get enough protein. If you want more protein rich plants you'd go towards the beans and the legumes and the whole grains and... Much healthier for you. I know as a Muslim it's good to be healthy. You know, because if we're really supposed to be eating all this meat, why would we get heart disease from it, you know? And it is destroying the planet because all of the crops that are growing are being fed to the animals and it's destroying the earth. If we were supposed to eat animals, God would have accounted for population growth. But it's destroying the earth, literally. We don't have enough plant food for us because we're feeding all the plants to the animals. One message that I have for the people. One real message. You have to look before you eat something. Like go into the depth of the thing because here what I see, like the man said that in UK this is being done in UK. Like the animals are being tortured in a bad way. And you don't even have the guarantee if they're being sacrificed halal or not haram. We are just seeing the tags. Well, they're just marketing to you as a customer. So they're going to sell you this... Yeah, because we are not going to buy any haram chicken that is over there. If you know about it. Because we can have haram chicken or haram thing to eat in a way when that is the only last thing for your survival. If you don't have any other thing left, then you can eat that for your own survival. Well, that's interesting because if you are dying, then you can do anything. I get you. I understand. As a vegan, I would agree with you. Yeah. I would agree with you. Like if you were about to die, then morals go out the window. Yeah, that's true. But right now you have many choices to make. Yeah, right now when you have choices, then it is up to you that you have to look that what is right and what is wrong. And now you know the truth? Yeah. Now I know the truth that they're being tortured before they are being sacrificed. So that's something wrong. And now you can never guarantee what's behind the label. I personally think you can be a Muslim and not even eat proper halal animals as well. Because that's a choice. That is basically up to us then. That's up to you. Because when you are capable of knowing that either you are eating haram or halal, because all we trust is the halal jack. That's it. What if you have, there is some haram chicken in that store and they just live in the land? Of course they do. What's the secret on it? Of course they do. When you're going to eat haram chicken? They do the same thing to non-Muslims with free range and organic and all of these labels as well. Yeah. And people go, oh yeah, this is all high welfare. They do the same thing to non-Muslims. But with Muslims it's halal. It's just put a halal sticker on it. It's all good. You have to look before what you eat. You just have to look now because that's something wrong. Or you can be a vegan and don't worry about it. And it's always halal except for alcohol is vegan. So steer away from the alcohol and... Because one thing, let me be true with you. I cannot promise you to be after seeing it to be a vegan or something like that. But one thing I can assure you is that what we eat, we can look into it that the animal isn't being tortured or stuff. Look, look at that man. And when you look into it, like I do for my... This is what I do as a job. Investigate, expose. When you do look into it, you'll find something quite shocking actually here in the UK that... Yeah, I do agree with you. Why are you standing here unless... Go to a Hamas slaughterhouse and ask him, hey, you know, Muslim, I want to see what happens here. Show me the footage. That will say, get out of here. Get out of here. We can leave a secret camera. And then show you. That's how you know the truth. Well, you have got a lot of videos and stuff, so... Yeah, there's a lot of amazing investigators. That is quite helpful to see as well. That isn't right. This here is the best app. Vegan restaurant nearby. Use this app. You can find anything you want. But if you want to see what goes on and learn, land of hope and glory, it's really good talking to you, my brother. All right. Take care. Thank you so much. No worries.