 Hey everyone tonight. We're gonna be debating gun control and to kick us off. We have Hake who's against gun control So we're gonna kick it off right away. So floor is all yours Hake Thank you very much Ryan. Nice to see you again and shout out to T jump Thanks for joining me on modern-day debate one of the best YouTube channels if not the best YouTube channels in existence period I Am for more guns. I agree with dr. John R lot jr. Phd Who is author of the book and? Numerous studies more guns less crime Let the people be armed and capable as the second amendment refers a well-regulated militia means people who can handle a weapon and In good self-discipline Regulate self-regulated not regulated by the government we the people should be regulating the government not the other way around The government the media the crowd they're always even one's own thoughts and emotions are One's or the individual's enemy and they're not to be trusted So we should not be looking to the government to solve the problem of so-called gun violence, which is a misnomer It's human being violence. We should get rid of gun-free zones so-called especially in like schools and movie theaters and different places where they're where the people are just fish in a barrel and It's such a shame people are left defenseless even on like Fort Hood. That was a gun-free zone Where the radical Terrorist was allowed to go into this gun-free zone and shoot up his fellow soldiers So I I say in in as an answer to the To the problem of mass murders, which are happening I say that we instead of going for the guns we go for the root of the issue We go for the anger of people we go after anger we Encourage we just we encourage family we defund single mothers because when we're subsidizing single mothers we get more of them And they're the ones who are disproportionately raising thugs there are a lot of All races in it actually they're disproportionately the ones who are committing these crimes It's the they're not just mentally ill, but mentally ill and angry I don't believe that this is a mental illness issue the the mass murders because Everybody's so-called mentally ill and there I feel that that my personal conspiracy theory about mental illness is That it's a ploy to go after the guns the gun rights of the veterans who are our first and best line of defense in many cases those guys are capable and if they're led in the right way with true religion and with sound mind then they won't be looking to drugs and female therapists and female minded liberal intellectual emotional therapists and Politicians to disarm them. I get that a lot of police would be Having a much easier job if the criminals were not armed. I'm I'm all for disarming criminals I'm all for throwing them the criminals in jail If a criminal is not to be trusted with a gun, then he's not to be trusted in the public he should be incarcerated or we should Bring back swift death penalty if the crime calls for a death penalty. I don't think that we should have these This encouraged Irresponsibility we need to bring back swift justice. We have a problem where people plead They they do endless appeals we have lawyers and liars Liberal judges phony politicians who want to withhold the death penalty and all that stuff be soft on crime Let people get away with shoplifting and low-level crimes and higher and higher assaults and those things result Even our greatest president Donald J. Trump's first step act has resulted in More murders happening more I think rapes and other things have gone on because of that stuff I think that we should be defunding so-called public education and even the so-called private education we need to return to Parents fathers in the home get rid of no fault is a divorce no fault divorce and Get rid of You know, we have a problem where we have minimum wage and unions and childcare all these things are Breaking up the family and that's what that would be a solution to these misguided children and adults who Are irresponsible not working don't have self-value and that's causing that's causing anger that's spreading anger and The solution that the liberals bring is gun control and they're blaming the NRA Skate-goating the NRA and people like me who support the Second Amendment Most of us would never even dream of something like that, you know a mass murder or murder period it is a It's basically a scapegoat and a distraction so I think that we should bring back capital punishment for Drug dealers like Trump was saying we should Get rid of emotions and anger and empathy and all that stuff bring back real love and real prayer and Bring back the freedom to tell the truth and speak plainly and I think that that would do a go a long way in Reducing the the problem the symptom I should say of Violence committed with guns All right. 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We're gonna hand it over to you for your up to 10 minute opening there Sure, so we know that Countries that have the least guns have the least gun violence. Do you know that before guns were invented? There were zero gun deaths? surprise it's magic countries that have extremely strict gun laws and very few guns have Essentially no gun deaths like Australia UK Singapore and Germany These countries who have very strict on laws have very few gun deaths surprise It's like who could have seen that company So it's not like Japan China Singapore Germany United Kingdom and Australia very strict gun laws very few gun deaths It's not it's not magic. It's basic tons of studies on it shows very simply less guns That's gun death. It's it. It's pretty obvious. So yes, we should Have stricter gun laws to have less guns because the less people will get shot with guns It's not it's not hard I'll conclude there Alright excellent. Well with that quick intro there We'll kick it right into the open discussion. So I'll let hate start out with a response to that point there And we'll get right into it. Thank you everybody for being here Well, thank you. I that's a nice cute shallow Obvious statement, but it's it's not addressing that it the root issue and you can you can always You can always look to the mainstream media or Women or atheists shallow people like that to Say, oh, let's just get rid of the guns and then we'll get rid of gun deaths. I don't care about The shallow symptom of reducing harm in the form of guns because what you're doing is Well, first of all, it's a violation of the basic right to carry guns I don't know or care about those other countries. They are some of them are islands some of them are Smaller they don't have guns already in their hands Germany, yeah, Germany's quite small of a country and it's not an island size makes no difference It's per capita. The actual size makes no difference, right? But it's it it kind of matters because Germany was already disarmed They've already had a big crackdown on them and there are much more Homogenous society. We have open borders Germany has open borders remember Germany is super woke super leftists They haven't done anything to address the the ills that you're talking about They do even more of that social just to see stuff than we do, right? They do a lot more of the social just to see stuff, but they don't have, you know, the drug gun I don't I honestly don't care about no gun deaths Why that seems like a pretty thing pretty important thing to care about like no gun deaths is Good that would be much better not inherently so well because you're dealing with it Like I said, you're dealing with the symptom and not the root issue of the evil of people's hearts Well, I don't care about the people hearts people can have her feelings. They want their feelings are not a problem death No, they are the root issue This don't matter so like like let's say let's say we allow everyone to live in their home And they can have whatever feelings they want, but no guns That means no guns deaths, right? So they can they can hate as many people as they want as much as they want right with no guns They can't exact that hate to kill them. So they think feelings are fine. There's nothing wrong with feelings No, nothing wrong with feelings. Yes, there is no no The studies have even shown even the liberal even the liberal professors have pointed to mental illness does not cause violent crime anger does and Anger is what causes these anger Gun deaths are not the only evil in the world There is also the violation of people's basic rights and the violation of people's basic rights is taking away their guns I don't care. It saves lives. I don't care about saving lives. I care about the root issue clip that Grinning clip that one. You can clip it You can clip it. I don't care about saving lives because it's not about because that's a shallow solution. You're bringing in other problems Germany has that's a direct solution to the problem gun deaths are the problem. How do we reduce gun deaths gun deaths are not a problem. They're a symptom What they're they're the problem? No, they're not the problem. They're a problem. They're not they're not a problem I disagree with you that they are a problem. They are a symptom. Let me define it they are a symptom of the problem of evil of people and Emotions and anger cause murder and emotions and anger are what people were responding with to as the solution for this blame the NRA spread more anger and and popularize this popularize this thing make more copycat mass murder crimes which Became more and more popular ever since the 90s and honestly I think that we have a difference in Values here, right? So I think each human should have the right of freedom of expression They can feel what they want. They can be racist very very very racist Yes, right and and they that's fine They get to have whatever opinions they want whatever hate they want They can have that as long as they don't use that to harm others There's nothing more. They're wrong with having those feelings, right perfectly fine The problem is the killing of the people that are hated. That's that's the problem So I don't I don't mind if people hate other people. That's fine. That's normal What's not normal is then killing those people and so if we can solve Now if you're gonna call hatred normal, you have to admit the killing is more normal as well No, not really like yeah killing if we take all humans who have ever lived all humans I've lived less about less than 1% have died from killing or less. So it's killing is not normal killing is very fringe So so the problem is that some communities than others though in the more angry communities In the communities that have more guns because they're equally angry people Who don't have guns and they don't kill other many other people as much Did you notice that that they're like suicidal people suicidal people Who have guns successfully commit suicide more than suicidal people who don't have guns But it's not it's not our job to play mama and try to stop them Yes, it is. That's literally the job of the government. So it's no stop murders suicide. Yes No, it's not man. What it's not the job of the government to stop the people from killing themselves and committing murders They're the ones who are spreading this They're deep. They're debasing the family and what do you think the job of the government is The job of the government is to do evil The job of the government, okay What is the job that that the people of government are trying to do? What are they what are they trying to do? They're pretending like they want to help and by helping being playing mama, they're hurting They're hurting the people they're spreading When you say help, what does that mean? Enabling single mothers to be single mothers for example, you mean like giving more violent children giving more freedoms protecting them from others giving them the ability to express themselves the ability to By homes have jobs feed their families like trying to help them be able to live with the least Imposition of will possible. That's the goal of government is to give people the most freedoms That's your goal because you're like a nice sensible guy somewhat, but Go ahead. Well, what do you mean my goal? So like your your goal is to To keep the people free have as much freedom as they can except for guns Apparently, yeah, but I don't know if you really believe this and but the goal of the government is to play Mala most people in the government are corrupt people Actually, probably all of them are I would want to control the people. They're not to be trusted with the all the guns. That's ridiculous Well, I think it's fine to trust them with the guns But the because we're not trusting them with the guns or the military with the guns and so But that's a different topic. The question was is what is the purpose of government now the purpose of government? Is to create a solid secure foundation for people to be able to live As best lives they can that's the goal of government. Would you would you The attempted hope that government supposed to do would you agree? Not I don't know if I would entirely agree. I would want less government The less government in your life the better off you are because no, it's the goal Just the goal like forget whether or not it works the goal of government what it's trying to do Is to create a framework of safety economic safety military safety Comfort around other people the goal of government is to create safety for people to be able to live their lives As best as they can right? That's the goal what governments are trying to do. Hopefully What yeah, what you and I might want a government to do would be probably close to that Sure, sure. And now I think what the government Effectively does or wants to do I think it is I think we have tons and tons of evidence to show that but suppose that is the goal So if that's the goal that the government is trying to create the safest place for people to live Would it be safer with or without guns? Um, I suppose you could say without guns. Yeah, I suppose you could say without guns Yeah, less people die. Safety is not the ultimate goal What do you think is a more important goal than safety? um Life freedom Well, you get a lot of more life when you're safe, right if you're if you're less safe There's less life because more death less, but that's not real life. That's that's like You can have a real life without owning a gun. Hank You're gonna live if you don't own a gun you'll live you won't die You're not gonna have a heart attack from lack of gunness I understand that but that's not the that's Would you agree that your your idea is a total violation of the second amendment, right? Yes, absolutely Get rid of the second amendment get rid of guns and I'm an advocate of science and data and I think that if there is some right scientific common fact Not logic no common common sense is dumb logic. I'm a big fan of logic common sense is literally the worst form of logic It doesn't work at all, but I'm a big fan of evidence. I'm a science guy So I like if we can prove this method works better Saves more lives improves people's lives Even if it's a violation of the constitution written 300 years ago, which the founding father said we were supposed to rewrite Every decade anyway Even if it violates that if it saves more lives and scientifically has proven to save more lives Then yes, we should rewrite the constitution to accommodate the reality of saving more lives but you guys aren't looking at the at the causes of the uh mass murders because these didn't have used to happen in the good old days Did you notice that like the for example like the black violent crime? That is a relatively recent phenomenon It wasn't as Which they're the they're the ones the primary ones committing the mass murders And then there is a whole lot a lot of other people committing the mass murders. That's true And so the government has been conducive to destroying the family which has and spreading has done lots of dumb things I agree and spreading anger What is the fastest way to solve the problem? That's not that's a no fast is not good Quick solutions are bad, man So, yeah, I I get your shallow thing about And I don't know how it's even feasible and I'm glad that it's not feasible kind of To take away the guns because we have how many million I think we have more guns than people maybe I could be wrong By several times. Yes I think that we need to bring back The we need to do it the uh back to basics Uh hard good Commons Why do you say common sense is bad? What's common sense? It's proven that you've had like science. We have analyzed common sense And we know that it's actually inaccurate in pretty much every metric that can be measured on and it's terrible Interesting. What is common sense? Our common sense is an intuitive belief based upon your life experience in order to come to a conclusion about something pertaining to the world So like an example of common sense, uh, do you have one in mind that because I have maybe one in mind or two Uh, I have lots of them. I don't know like Okay, so let me give let me give one or two Uh, the aurora colorado shooting from like the batman one from 2012 or whenever that was uh, where The joker looking guy. I don't think it was joker Shot up the people in the theater in midnight showing Aurora colorado had those people had it not been a gun-free zone and those people been armed. Would he have even done that? Yes, because it happens mostly most of the a lot of them are in gun zones Lots of mass shootings are with guns In in zones with guns That's that's those were the ones committed by blacks. This guy turned himself in as soon as the cops showed up So you don't know you're most most of me. I mean, I gave you a what it would forget forget Forget the black white distinction. Mike most mass shooters Uh-huh Happened in places with other guns Not the not the most prominent ones I don't care about the most prominent ones. I care about most of them So the fact that it got shown on the news more which makes it prominent. I don't I don't care I want to know about the data and its relevance, but you made the claim that this joker guy Who turned himself in as soon as the cops showed up with guns Yeah, yes, most of the mass shooters turn themselves in As soon as someone with guns shows up. Well, no, they just turn themselves in whether or not they have guns They literally just turn themselves in they specifically Right has nothing to do with the guns has nothing to do with the fact that they come with guns But they go into gun-free zones, man, you're not being I don't know if you're being quite honest You're saying statistically. Yeah most most I don't take that away from you You may be right that most of these mass shootings happen Most mass shootings happen with guns, but there's a whole lot of gun-free zones and those are the ones That are like your argument is like implying that the mass shooter Was only emotionally capable of going to a place where they didn't have guns and as soon as a guy He saw a gun. He was just going to freak out and give up. No He after he had committed his plan Which would have happened with whether or not there were guns in the location. You don't know that I do this is you don't know this happening This happens all the time in tons and tons of mass shooter cases. They have a plan to go to a place I brought up specifically this this uh Aurora shooter I brought up specifically this Aurora shooter as well as you know these ones in the schools It applies to all of them so if a shooter has a plan to go to a specific location at a specific time and carry out An active violence their plan doesn't include Well, if it's a place that has guns we're going to run away and that's not a part of the plan Now after they go to the place they don't have guns No, many of them do not that is incorrect. So the ones after their plan is done When the cops show up at their home Yes, many of them give up not because they have guns. That's not because they have guns It's because it's not a part of their plan like even many of the mass shooters In their plans pick locations That have guns there they have gun rights. It doesn't make a difference. Can you name one gun violence? Name a few name a few mass shootings from me Name a few All right, I don't know them Okay, the el paso el paso those uh hispanics in the uh walmart. They did not have guns The uh aurora color does have gun in texas. What are you talking about? I know but those those Mexicans who got shot weren't armed And then the did did the shooter plan that no walmart's in texas sell guns I know that doesn't mean that they're armed. They had a right to carry guns I know the shooter picking that location He did not know whether or not they had guns which disproves your point No, it doesn't your point was that like no, it does not picked a location with no guns Like no because every one of them could have been carrying a gun then I know but they weren't armed He specifically went did he psychically know that they were not going to be armed? Maybe maybe i'll give you maybe i'll give you that one But how about the aurora colorado gunfree zone the all these schools gunfree zones The schools that should not be gunfree zones. There's been no shooting at a at a school Uh where the staff are allowed to be armed Did you know that according to thomas massie pretty much none of them? Well, that's like saying there hasn't been a shooting with uh, a school that involves trans. Uh, what do they call the? Readings, what are they called? Yeah, the drag queen story hour. Yes drag queens So there's been no shootings at any preschool with drag queen score at story hours You know why because it's only a tiny tiny percent of schools that have those not even an accidental discharge according to thomas massie And uh, what does that even again? So the amount of schools that allow teachers to carry guns is so tiny That obviously I know because we have an anti gun culture right now where people are scared of guns They don't want to carry them and all that stuff. So because they kill brings back my point about the walmart I don't think those Hispanics were armed You you you look into it and tell me if those Hispanics were armed I'm going to assume that they were not armed in the El Paso walmart, but anyway It's interesting that you can't name one single Place where they definitely were armed that they went into Whether or not well, there are lots of them. They're on some shooters were Got into armed conflict with them. But the point was is is the location Are they allowed to carry guns because if they are allowed to carry guns at the location Then that disproves your point that the shooter picked that location because people wouldn't be armed I can tell you one case in the church dylan roof in uh, north carolina south carolina He specifically he thought of going to the hood to go after the black drug dealers But instead he he went after the black uh unarmed people at the church because Drug dealers shoot back. So that's one case that disproves your point Where did that? Where did he say that in his manifesto? Where did you get that from? Um, I heard it in the news. I can't tell you the source, but I heard it Uh I'm cool. I'm pretty sure of it Do you doubt do you doubt? Okay? Yes. Let's say do you doubt that? Yes. Really? Yes um It's it's kind of unreasonable It's it's kind of unreasonable for you to say that not one of these cases. Do they did they Go into the place with least resistance Yes, because none of them picked their location because there was no resistance like school shooters pick it because it's going to get media attention Uh, Delan roof picked it again for his ideological. Yeah, you want to race war? Yeah, and so it wasn't because like if they wanted to pick a place with no guns Like the best place would be like new york subway or something like they're not picking places specifically because they have no guns they're picking places For ideological reasons that have nothing to do with whether or not they're well defended Like if there were actually trained military officers trying to do this and they were just trying to get the most casual teeth Obviously they would pick a place that wasn't armed But that's not the mentality of mass shooters. They're not trying to calculate how to get the most Serial efficiency of their weapon. They're just trying to cause the most damage and get the most attention The other thing you said that uh, it just proves my point or debunks my point if they're allowed to carry guns We do have a culture where a whole lot of people are scared of guns. They won't carry the guns even if they're allowed to It sort of matters to be what he said was is that the the shooters picked the location because there wouldn't be armed people there There is no way that the shooters could know that there were not going to be armed people in a place where you're allowed to be armed That would be dumb It's a dumb argument to say that the shooter picked walmart Because he thought no one in walmart would be carrying When in a place it was legal to carry it makes that does not make logical sense Okay, I get I get you on the walmart one for texas interesting man, uh, you don't think it has any any Is you think it's no factor In any of these people you can very little very little. Oh, so it has some factor. It is some factor Okay, thank you. I'm a scientist. What single digit percentage is absolutely. All right That's i'm satisfied with that All right, so that's an example of common sense that you say is debunked What what was the common sense an armed society is a polite society? Yes, that is absolutely debunked So i'm just going to jump in right quick here everybody and just do a little housekeeping Just remind everybody that modern day debate is a neutral platform inviting all walks of life As you can see here, we're not afraid to talk about some very controversial subjects and some juicy topics I want to thank our debaters for coming out tonight if you like what you're hearing from either of our guests They're both linked in the description here So definitely check them out and also off to the side of me here You can see we have an atheist versus atheist debate coming up So if you like what you're hearing from t jump here, he's going to be back So we're going to kick it back into the open discussion Kick it over to you t jump and let you guys carry forward and thank you everybody for being here Sure, so the polite society or the armed society is a polite society. Yes, that is absolutely false Like all these places that you mentioned of african-americans shooting each other. Those are all armed societies Do you think they're polite societies? Right, they're not that's true Um So the common sense not very accurate doesn't correspond to reality I know but it but it doesn't it's not really realistic to think that disarming the people who follow the law Is going to protect them from the people who don't follow the law Absolutely true. So some one of the things I think we could probably agree upon is that The implementation of gun laws in america is absolute garbage And there is absolutely no data to support that the kinds of gun laws that american politicians Attempts to enforce they're idiots. They have no idea what they're doing We should not enforce the kinds of gun laws That democrats democrats are advocating for because they're morons Um just briefly to touch back. There was this patent gendron guy who uh, who shot up some uh People in I forget where um He allegedly wrote how he planned to kill as many blacks as possible in the attack and decided to carry out in new york Due to its strict open carry laws, which would make it harder for someone to stop him So it it there's a factor. There's that part of that single digit percent that you uh, talked about Anyway, um Schools churches night clubs no guns And so they are they're going to the place with the least resistance It it is a factor more than I think you're acknowledging Even if it's not even if they're not consciously thinking of it Uh, we have a we have a culture that's like I said scared of guns even even to exercise their rights as they have them Uh, now you said something I forget somebody said something that was interesting About what I forget Oh, man, it might have been something. What did you say just before? Uh, I don't remember. What were you talking about before? man, uh Well, if we want to steer this conversation full full back, this is why the moderator should not ever interrupt because we get lost Oh, yeah, that's my fault. Yeah. No, I'm james coons. It's clearly james coons. It's fault. Yeah, no I am I am definitely uh, his problem. That's for sure Uh, yeah, we'll just we'll we'll just try to come back into a topic here of interest. Uh, so t jump, uh, what would be Something that you would implement to start out Uh, something for gun control if uh, I think that would be of interest to kind of that was in You said the you said the the politicians are idiots. Yes, what would you do? Yes, so politicians are idiots. We know that the uh, gun control policies that are advocated for in america are garbage We should implement the gun control policies that are advocated for in countries where it actually worked not our garbage country So one of the thing american politicians do incredibly stupidly Is they try to make up their own laws instead of using laws that have already been proven to work in other countries We should just copy the laws that are used in the other countries like singapore germany, uh, the uk australia their policies worked our policies don't Copy their policies Um, what are those policies? Can you get a little more specific? uh Taper off the amount of guns that can be sold per year to whom they can be sold Uh, try to decrease the overall total of guns the lowest amount possible Um, forget about all this garbage about what's called constitutes a handgun versus assault rifle waste of time Just get rid of the guns Huh Man, that's terrible. I'm surprised that you I'm a little surprised that you think like this Um, based on science. I want to save lives. What's what we save lives less guns save lives That part that part doesn't surprise me that much Sort of an atheistic mama I want to reduce harm like destiny talks like that sometimes too. He was less people dead Such a such a mama idea like so terrible atheists want to less people to die. Oh my god So un-christian because it's I say because it's shallow. It's going after the symptom Yeah, yeah, you're addressing this symptom by cutting off the gun But you're not addressing the root issue and so you're punishing the people and leaving them Helpless because as people as some of these countries, correct me if I'm wrong Implemented their gun control murders went up I don't think so. Yeah They did there's uh, some cases of like Implemented a policy and it takes time for it to go into effect But I don't I don't think ever implementing these policies caused gun deaths to go up Like there are other factors that like during the 19, I think it was 60s or 1980s There was a massive rise of violence and there were also gun reforms put into place at the same time But the violence was because of the gun reforms Interesting We can prove that because we know that the violence went up in locations with and without gun reform that's the same rate And therefore it proves the gun reforms didn't cause the increase in violence interesting, um There the uh, so-called gun deaths or deaths by the by uh, people with who shoot with guns Bullets bullets kill people. Yeah, right. Yeah, the bullets. That's not the only that's not the only evil There is home invasions. There is the government Going against the rights of the people Yeah, um violating the rights of the people there are all kinds of um All kinds of evil in the world And so reducing this evil is going to cause other evil to crop up in ways that That in which country that banned guns did we see the increase of those things that you're talking about? well, um I heard that england had an increase of knife True that is true. So do you think we're just to clarify. Do you think yes the number of knife deaths? Was greater or lower than the number of gun deaths I would guess I would guess lower But you're leaving you're leaving people defenseless and you're leaving cops defenseless and that's dumb mama stuff That's atheistic shallow mama stuff. I don't care about so so let's say yes We're leaving everybody defenseless, but the number of deaths goes down Is that a good or a bad thing defenseless less deaths? uh I It's it's I suppose that it's good that there's less deaths, but at what cost there's a whole lot of there's a whole lot of uh england or a bunch of I don't want to say the word It starts with a C, but it's not it's not the bad word, but it's they're like girly People they're in so many different ways There's there's just ridiculous and I say that this is another ridiculous shallow You think this is because they don't have guns if you lose your guns your balls fall off you become girly Is that what you think? Is that how you think it works? Not exactly, but it's like Not exactly you think it's like non exactly it does happen that way if you kept your your uh Private parts then you wouldn't surrender the guns because you can take care of yourself We want an independent people not a dependent people But so I wanted to I wanted to address your point there that um that we leave people defenseless So that's that's a kind of okay argument. Thank you. Yes We leave people defenseless and so the argument would be if taking guns away left people defenseless And more people died because of it then taking guns away would be bad But if taking guns away causes less death Then that means that we're actually protecting them better They have more protection because less people are dying so even though Having a gun makes you feel safer If it causes more deaths for more people to have guns Then the less people having guns is actually more protection I I don't want to feel safer. I just I want safety and all that stuff It's it's not the motivation for I agree. I don't want to feel safer either feeling safer doesn't matter I want to actually be safer right would you agree And uh, not necessarily. I don't want the mama government protecting me But because they're not actually these are not actually honest people if they were honest people and really wanted to address some of this stuff No, here. Listen. Listen if they really wanted to address the issue of of this anger that causes these mass murders They would deal with the family. They would close the borders. We don't want to close the borders if they were honest Close probably not no Why not there's there's all kinds of guns supposedly coming from The percentage of people Criminals and all that stuff well the percentage of immigrants who are violent is lower than the percentage of native like people in america who are violent so most of the people who come Obviously, but the vat like if we take all immigrants, but the ones coming The the mess coming through the border and i'm not blaming the immigrants. I'm talking about cartels Yes, all that. So go ahead. Go ahead finish. Well those those are closed off of we do to close those to the borders That's not legal. So those are the borders closed for those things Not real come on They're illegally entering the company or the country with cocaine. That's not like the borders like hey come through with the cocaine Yeah, totally fine. Like no the borders are closed to that. They just bypassed the law the laws But and we would we would really crack down on it. Go ahead But we do crack down on it. We do that a lot But the thing we don't really crack down It's just regular people coming through because that part is most of them are just normal people Those people coming in coming in are not Normal people they don't even believe in the second amendment or the first amendment which you don't either but I mean you believe in It's not what makes people normal. Hey, hey believing in the first and second amendment is not what makes a person a normal person I know but they didn't make them good for the country and i'm not talking about immigration only The first and second amendment doesn't make someone good for a country Hey, what makes someone good for a country is if they work hard and they produce more value to the country than they cost So like if they generate more wealth and economic growth than they do in taking in welfare and social security Then they're beneficial to the country You don't it has nothing to do is this is what applies to all countries not just america egg So the vast majority of immigrants mexican workers who walk over the border Are regular hardworking people who put in a lot of effort and generate more income economically To our country to our country then they damage it by a significant margin statement It's a proven statement. No, it's not. Yes, it is. It's literally proven. I don't believe Who do you think picked your vegetables? Hey, who do you think picked your vegetables? It should have been it should have been the the young people the blacks It should not have been those because Unemployment and all that's that's why I brought up That's why I brought up um all this stuff where these people are who are not working and making value of their lives They're in gangs. They're selling drugs They are because they don't want to pick on welfare. It's a lot of work. They definitely could they're quite capable They're they could they don't want to I don't want to nobody wants to you're so so says you but they Do you want to take do you want to spend eight hours a day picking vegetables? No, my skin is not set for that, but they they would want to They would want to if they Were not Babied by the government and if they were not babied by the government. They would not be spoiled murderous Uh drug dealers and criminals you mean if we made them suffer enough that would encourage them to do Other suffering to try to be less suffering than the amount that they're suffering. They'd like that Yes, they would because not make them suffer. Let them suffer Mama doesn't want to let them suffer Mama makes them spoiled and angry and evil thugs And you don't and that doesn't sound I don't know a little bit. I don't know immoral to you Mama mama making them spoiled immoral letting people suffering if you have the ability to help people and you let them suffer and do nothing right That is not immoral. That is a that is oftentimes the best thing helping often hurts That that literally is a contradiction. Hey, no Think about uh, how corrupting welfare has been and uh unemployment and the There's like there's like able-bodied men on unemployment because how many people do you think are on unemployment and welfare? Um, I don't know Yeah, I I can even guess What percentage of America is african-american? like 13 14 what percentage of them are the criminals? I don't know let's say three because like most of them are uh Young men like 15 to 25 right right single mothers and most african-americans are actually older just like we are white people And so the people who are the the troublemakers make up maybe like three percent, right? maybe and so of those So all of and welfare social security helped a lot of white people too in hispanic people and chinese people and some many of them are criminals too maybe So of the Those people should be working then we don't need the illegals to come in of the tens of millions of people On welfare social security, etc. What percentage are criminals? I have no idea Like less than one What's your point? That this does a lot more good than harm these things help a lot more people than it hurts just because they're not Not convicted criminals convicted keyword because they're getting away with a lot of stuff Well, I'm just I'm just a number of deaths. It's good for them Why would this not be good for them? Why would them having food and freedom? that's not freedom Go ahead having having food isn't freedom No, I said uh being babied by the government. That's not freedom How how is your baby by the government you're controlled by the government? option a You have to work eight hours a day And have self-respect. Yep. You have self-respect. So you work eight hours a you have self-respect option b Not needing these illegals in the country who option option b You don't have to work eight hours a day and you can spend those eight hours how you want Which one is more free? uh Depends on the society. I think that you're you have does not depend on the kind of it does kind of difference It makes no difference. So You must work for eight hours option b You can choose to do whatever you want for eight hours, which can include working if you so choose Which is more free You can you can say I get your point that you you have more quote-unquote free time free time You can say oh, that's more free free dumb That's that's free dumb Key word dumb because that's not that's ridiculous. I should get my spittoon for this uh, the That's uh What I get I get that there is such a thing as like wage slavery. I'm I'm I'm not disputing that partly because we need to get rid of uh Minimum wage and all these things that drive up the cost of living What including all the say what is freedom? freedom is When you are not reliant on the government What is partly Self-reliance and freedom are not the same thing But it is a four. It's a more valuable freedom Then it's not a freedom. This is literally nothing to do with the word freedom Like you could be a slave and I'm losing track of what your point is here And you keep you keep talking about what my point is here, too You keep talking about freedom freedom is the right to act and speak and do what you choose to do without hindrance That's what freedom is And that's what that's what you're not for That's exactly for taking away the guns so that they can't kill one another and each and themselves Right because so other people can't die So I want to take away one freedom which is a partial freedom to save The 100 freedom loss of death of other right. Yeah, I understand Um But Again, if the government were honest wouldn't they close the borders because it is a more of a problem than you're than you're acknowledging um And and the kills more people uh gang members from across the borders or gun deaths And the destruction of the family Is an is another thing that increased uh the murder rates Sure. Yeah, um, thank you. Thank you And uh this encouragement this this division between the races and the um increased I don't think that that one didn't rely on anything that one didn't have very little effect Like increased division during the races the races makes essentially no difference the vast majority of murder I don't know if that's exactly the same race the vast majority of murders are all same race right Why are the white black on black almost no difference black lives matter was supported in 2014 and 2020 by the establishment government media And after those things black on black crime increased. So yes, it didn't It didn't only affect black on white crime. That doesn't make any sense So we make black people hate white people. So they killed other black people more Yeah, because they they it was an attack on the the police in law and order See you lack common sense. What's So you think that you need to read The amount of murders increased because people were killing Cops more one another one another. No the cops were backing off. They were getting charged with with frivolous crimes Like freddy gray those cops were charged a lot of them increased murder rate. We're talking about the increased murder rate So you said Black matter was did stuff and this increased the murder rates of black on black crime less less cops on the streets to deal with the blacks less, uh, hand cops hands tie behind their backs effectively What does that have to do with black people hating white people more or vice versa? Because the black lives matter was about blacks hating whites Yes, and how did how did the fact that they hated white people more make the black cops go away? What made the wet cops? Like most african-american communities have majority african-american police and so Making african-americans hate white people if that happened wouldn't affect the black. Come on. Don't say if You know that happened, uh Some of them did There was defund the police there was a lot of that has nothing to do with Hating white people like you keep bringing this division between the races. I think you think Like the fact that police brought police is not division against the races. That's division against the police Those are separate things you're ignorant on this topic uh There was such a thing as the furgusson effect and after the george of florida Riots, there was another spike in the furgusson effect was a spike in murders black on black and black on other races Yes, and it had nothing to do with Creating division between the races. Yeah, it was division. There was division between the police division between white police social issues Yeah Wasn't about the vision between the races It was division between the races black lives matters about he is about falsely accusing whites of not valuing black lives That I can partially agree with yes the increase of crime Was not because they had a there was an indirect increased division It was because the record is all of it. They created a vision between the police and people. Yeah The white police the white supremacist black police all police lives All police not no, but why they see police is white white police matters No, all police matters They see the black police is uncle tom's and stuff like that They even killed the the a cop in the um in the black lives matter riots during george of florida riots it was like you're you got to read um the the war on cops by uh Heather mack donald of city journal And uh, that was after the obama insurrection black lives matter insurrection But there was also the insurrection during of black lives matter during the trump administration during the china virus And there was also a spike in crime from that and it was in you could call it Was the china virus also because of disagreements between the races that is that what increased the the violent crime Because the china virus made black people and white people hate each other more No, I didn't I wasn't calling that a that a reason right i was talking about so so you can have an increase in crime Because something happened and that something doesn't need to be a conflict between races right there could be something else, right? Yeah And so if for example, there was this big organization that was working to defund the police or whatever And they did nothing say they did nothing to try to increase the amount of hate between two different racial groups Would that have increased the crime? Yeah, I would have And did they do that? Uh, no, they was it was uh Defund defund the police so they tried to defund the police, right? In part, yeah, and that way one of the crime, right? Increase the crime. Yeah And so you blaming that was about the tension between races Is completely irrelevant because all of the increase is not completely irrelevant Those people were were crying false black victim hood at the hands of of the white supremacist system The point is is that you claimed that because of that that's the reason Crime like black on black crime increased which is false. No, it's not it is true Well, we just we just went over this like if that could all be explained just You came up with the you came up with a theoretical scenario. I came out with the reality scenario which happened twice Hatred of cops and hatred of whites has been promoted in the black community and by the politicians and by the media And that has that hatred in addition with the single mothers Angry single mothers raising these children violently Has has brought uh disproportionate violence out of that community. They've encouraged them to be angry They've encouraged women to be angry and kill their kids in the womb I think we should get rid of abortion too because it causes a more um a more Evil malicious selfish irresponsible society. I think that that's probably had a hand in increasing the violent crime It also brought about more The increases it so he said probably decreases it So if we could bring the topic back around to the gun control discussion I'll just kick it back over to you hake with the uh topic of Do you think there should be any restrictions on access to Just about anything whether it's a weaponry or Certain vehicles or anything like that. Do you think that should be uh A protected right I I might draw the line at like the what trump calls the n word the nuclear word I wouldn't be for private citizens having nuclear weapons I guess but I think that we should be free to have Um, you know full auto machine guns. I don't really get Um, why not? I think that that's a part of that mama Uh over protective helicopter parent Uh type of a thing. Oh save lives at the cost of of freedom and uh In a common sense and let's let the whole rest of the morality go to hell So I think that these people are not to be trusted So I know I wouldn't I wouldn't put restrictions on on guns And uh most heavy awesome like weapons of war as they call them I don't think that we should be doing that. I could be proven wrong Uh, but it would have to be a logical argument rather than a statistics argument, which Factor in reality go ahead with no you can do your statistics thing I'm just saying that that's what I prefer personally go ahead Statistics and logic are the same thing using statistics is logical What no you can because you can cherry pick facts Alternative facts bring more zero gun deaths in australia and japan and singapore. What what am I cherry picking here? Um, because gun deaths are not the only evil in in the world Would removing the guns Lower the gun death. Yes And so if I wanted to lower the gun death I can give examples of low guns, right? This is this is a great a great example Not cherry picked to show that less guns is lower death, right? right, but that's But it is it is in a sense cherry picked data because I don't want to lower gun deaths That's not like the that's not I do. I'm trying to say I want to lower gun death So for me the accurate data I should be giving is examples of lower gun death. Oh, yeah, you can do that Yeah, right When I say cherry picking I'm talking about uh, you're not you're not looking at the greater evil that those countries are subject to Australia they they didn't have the they had even less rights during the virus uh, communist shutdowns than we had and uh Less people died too. I don't oh, but see mama Uh, they also have they're less fat than us too. I mean there's other factors. See she's like It's true. She's bad mcdonald's See I'm for freedom. I think that people should but I'm for just Anyway, um Yeah, go ahead. I want to go in there. He can go into like a closing point here. We can get into the q&a unless you guys want to Continue a discussion if you had any other topics you wanted to touch on or we can Do some closing and get into our q&a He gives wrong. I am right. Thank you. Good night All right, t jumps for closing so we'll kick it over to you there. Hey Okay, um, some of the people in the chat shout out to the chat We're confused a little bit by my bringing up unions and minimum wage and childcare and all that stuff um, I really believe that uh The government is our enemy They are the enemy of the people just like the uh media are the enemy of the people and again our own Emotions and thoughts are our enemy I get what uh what uh, he's T jump is saying But um in education for example, they're prescribing It's like a mill for prescribing drugs on on kids the um The misery of women and young people depression is that I think an all-time high especially among women anyway They're promote irresponsible sex Uh, they are for if making the men I've noticed since the 80s and 90s more effeminate Which has probably brought down A violent crime. They made men less masculine lower t less testosterone less violence Oh, that's it's irrefutable. Um, or at least less effective violence, right? but I'm not for that type of things emasculating men or uh boys or Making turn them into to girls and when I say turning them into girls. I'm not just talking about transgender stuff. I'm talking about um Making them more emotional and more in touch with their emotions boys are broken. I'm not for that Phony female-minded liberal stuff We I think we should sanction this social media establishment and every commie capitalist government entity that um Or corporation by the way who promoted anger such as black lives matter the me too movement Which I acknowledged the me too wasn't didn't really have much to do with murders, but anger is Evil LGBTQ false pride feminism diversity anti whiteness If you get rid of those things which spread anger and division, we have a very divided country That's not it's like a house of cards. Oh, you may be safe, but words like crumbling meanwhile um Get rid of these healthcare quote-unquote subsidies which drives up health care costs get rid of minimum wage Which artificially drives up cost of living and and prices of things um and cost of doing business um The these a lot of the healthcare industry is anti man anti independent thinker uh policies they get rid of the The best of the police the best of the military and the medical fields I think we're becoming a house of cards Where we're just hollowed out morally and ready to collapse I think if we abolished um Well, I already said minimum wage deport the illegals get rid of welfare and unemployment Put blacks and young people to work uh at the fast food joints, it should be young people working rather than young people out in the streets rioting and antifa-ing and black lives mattering and uh occupying and all that stuff um bring back the chain gangs and prison slavery let them have some self-respect again where they're um working rather than having a cushy having TV and all that stuff and all comfortable make Joe Arpaio The attorney general bring back some discipline and self-respect swift justice get rid of this Endless appeals before the death penalty um get rid of these politicized persecutions of these different white people in white police and uh trump supporters who are and trump himself um You know persecuted in the court system. It's very corrupt Um less again less emotions less anger less empathy not more bring back real love, which is not emotional And real prayer they got rid of of god in schools I think that david david pacman had a point that the christians aren't praying correctly um david pacman mocked the uh Covenant school in nashville, tennessee where the alleged transgender young lady Um allegedly shot up those kids in the and the staff But anger causes murder and evil. It's not this so-called mental illness stuff and this false blind blame of the nra Bring back freedom to tell the truth and speak your mind without social punishment you know like um Social punishment from female minded liberal males and the so-called angry conservatives I think that um the government should not regulate the people we need to regulate the government Women should not be worrying their pretty little heads about this stuff. It's not good for them And it's not good for their children Uh, whom they are raising oftentimes. All right, let's try to I think wrap up the closing there if you don't mind All right, I think I do want to say that um If that's all right in response, I'd say that what what everything to take said There's been multiple governments that have done all of those things They're called fascist governments Ooh, well, we will jump into our q&a there. What's that? What's your point with that? um That it's bad because all the things you listed are examples of things governments use to kill people um Without actually giving them an affair trial But none of those things are the government necessarily Like you said get rid of appeals fast for those efficient fast judgment or whatever That's the government killing people like, you know firing squads gas chambers Not I mean the death I'm for the death penalty, but that's not fascism I mean, I don't know what fascism even really means No, no the the quick part without the appeals that parts the fascism part Oh, but I'm talking you have to admit that some of these appeals are like ridiculous Like they're these are obviously no question guilty mass murderers or rapists um And they're they're waiting decades for the death penalty That's wrong The decades part has nothing to do with the appeals It has to do with the fact that the the legal system is overloaded with cases So it's not because they're appealing that they have to wait decades That's just it's completely unrelated. Maybe we should get rid of some of these frivolous cases. We should. Yes I agree. There's lots of stupid cases. So it's not fascism to to bring a back back swift justice I'm not talking about in just getting rid of appeals is definitely fascism So not getting rid of appeals entirely but the endless appeals. I specifically said endless appeals Which is an exaggeration. I know but You have to admit that some of this is ridiculous or you don't have to but it is everybody knows You get like one appeal you get one appeal and then if it goes through and it's you don't get it anymore You can't like appeal over and over again. You can't appeal the same case multiple times for the same reason I may be using this the wrong word, but there's there's a My point is the justice is not swift Because that's because there's mama female minded liberal has nothing to do with that It has to do with the fact that the the court systems are overloaded by a significant margin Awesome. All right. Yeah, seems like we uh gotten to some unexpected juicy conversation Under the end here, which is awesome. So, uh, yeah, what we'll do is we're going to get into our q&a Do either of you fellas have any time restraints this evening? Yes, I need to sleep because I need to I'm going to play in tomorrow to go to Texas. Oh, yes, very good. Awesome. Uh, yeah On a debate. Yep conference right on. Yeah Yeah, and everybody anybody who's interested. We do have our q&a Go in here. Uh, remember for our questions to be Directing them at the arguments and not at our guests who are here doing this Uh, so, uh, we're going to get right to it Light of the twin lamps five dollars does t jump retroactively support ronald reagan banning machine guns in california and depriving the oppressed black community to the right to self-defense Maybe like I think a banning machine guns is fine. I don't care who does it I don't think it matters that ronald reagan did it There are some Republicans who have passed good policies and there are some democrats who have passed good policies both of bad Best bad policies. Um, I don't know the specific example is using so I can't really comment on the historicity of it, but I'd be for banning machine guns sure I know that uh, there was a I don't know about the machine guns part, but in california specifically los angeles There was a black mother who carried a gun in her car illegally Because of the crazy crime that was going on in the 80s 90s because she had a Baby in her in her car with her and didn't want to get carjacked She she ran around armed illegally because the government is against the innocent people protecting themselves from the from the evil All right, well you close that out there t jump where it was for you Well, they're against anybody having guns and so they're against both you personally carrying guns and the criminals carrying guns But they are the criminals sometimes. Anyway, yeah All right. Thank you. Uh, right. So we're going to move on here I'm just going to remind everybody that uh, if you can put as much as a dollar into our crowd fund You can actually watch the full live stream of debate con Uh, which as you heard t jump is uh, going to be uh, out on the plane tomorrow to head towards for his debate with Aaron raw here, uh, which is going to be epic That crowd fund is the igg.me slash at slash debate con 31 Uh, yes, that would be the one there and uh in the description the description there. So Uh, and also, uh, once again, all of our guests are linked in the description as well Uh, so if you want to keep an eye on either of our guests, uh, give them a follow through there Uh, so bubble gum gun for two dollars says those who oppose the second are just government bootleaders Clearly not because I i'm pretty pretty anti-government. Um Then I would call you naive How how well because they're doing all kinds of Of evil and then you're taking away the rights of the people to protect themselves from the evil The do guns, uh stop polluting of flint michigan Um, no, I don't think so. Do guns flint michigan water? No Did guns stop government from executing people who are innocent? Uh, I can't think of any cases where that has happened, correct? Did guns Get the government to put any of the ceo's in prison for causing the financial collapse No, they did not put them in prison Do you think guns do anything to stop the government from doing all the corrupt shit the government does? Uh, I think it I think they kind of get in the way like it makes the people Uh, I think twice it's kind of like the it's kind of like mass numbers down in Compton, california Um, there was which is right here in LA. There was mass numbers of uh people Uh looting an arco station cops didn't step in because of the too too many numbers And again, if there's like up in the mall here a ranch, which I not necessarily for that uh militia occupying Up in mall here a ranch, but the police did not come in because they knew that they were armed Um, it slows the government down against the people. It makes them think twice Uh going against the people I'm for doing it in an orderly right way. I'm not for necessarily with the With the bundy ranchers did or didn't do I don't know specifics of that Well, so did the bankers have guns When they caused the financial crisis the bankers have guns when they took hundreds of billions from the government No, they didn't need guns guns guns. Guns aren't what stops the government Government does lots of stuff. I just I just proved that it slows it down. You're just you're just bringing up Um irrelevant points slows slows the police from going into a building But they still take all of your homes and your assets and cause inflation and I know Like they doesn't slow them down Uh, yeah, I know that's there there is much other there are many other like spiritual strengths and uh Mental strengths and and other strengths that we need to be exercising to protect ourselves from the government You are absolutely correct on that. I I grant you that If we were wiser we would not elect such corrupt people who uh steam roll over our rights Guns are not the only solution. Yeah, these people who are saying, oh, at least I got my second amendment come and take them No, I I do roll my eyes at that As well, but that's not the it's not a reason to just give them up Just because it's not useful for every little thing every little violation from the government Or like all of them any of the violations of the government doesn't really do anything to stop any of the violations of the government All the things the violations that the government do none of them are stopped by guns Then why did hit the fascist hitler disarm the jews didn't he disarm the jews and then Then they had free range to to go in and take them away I think it might have been a little bit more hairy of a situation Had the had he not been allowed to disarm the jews. Are you anti-semitic or something? No, I'm pro-jew. I wish I was a jew. I think jews are the highest IQ, but I don't know how to do with government in america like Disarming the people and then rounding up the christians and and the whites and the men and and the children babies And uh aborting them all I think that's not a work sake All right. Well, we'll continue on So the unwanted man Five dollars can t jump guarantee that all the gun deaths that are prevented by a full gun ban Won't just be carried out by uh carried out with other weapons So we kind of talked about that a little bit with the knife thing there. Yes. Yes, because it's the harder it is to kill someone The less often people die. So if you had to kill someone with a rusty spoon It would literally just take longer to do it than if you had a gun And so even if you had the intention of killing exactly the same number of people It would be physically impossible to do so because it would take you longer with a rusty spoon or knife Then would the gun so yes, we can guarantee That there is never going to be the case that if you ban guns the amount of deaths Of other weapons would be equivalent to the amount of deaths by guns And the criminals and we have the data to prove that we have the data to prove that yes And the criminals will always get the guns. We're gonna always have these terror attacks, especially with this um diverse society that were Diverse and hate filled society that is encouraged by the government. So you're just leaving the good people sitting ducks Uh, Chicago Baltimore and all these other cities many many many cities have very strict so-called gun laws and all kinds of uh All kinds of violent crime and evil going on in those societies No, if we decrease the overall number of guns Um sequentially over a long period of time the amount of guns that Criminals will have will also decrease proportionally will decrease at the same rate. No will decrease. Yes So like with the examples of the police in the uk who don't have guns Most of the criminals in uk also don't have guns Do some of them? Sure, some of them do but the percentage of people who have guns in the total is lower Which then leads to the percentage of criminals having guns also being lower I don't even care You don't care that less criminals have less guns Right because I want the people to have the guns Because we will have less criminals if we had a more honest government And a more honest people really because I'm for the people being honest in real and moral Not for relying on the government to do this to do this. It's the government's evil. They've proven that they're evil All right, um, yeah that one was for uh t-jump. So we'll let you close that one out there All right, cool. Have you ever fired a gun t-jump? Yes All right, we'll continue. I don't want to ask if you own one because that's a personal question Yeah, we'll keep uh, we'll try to keep trucking through so we can get t-jump to bed here So coffee mom for $1.99. I think we've already answered this a few times Is asking is hake a pro choice advocate now? Oh, you mean for killing the babies in the womb? No, definitely not um, I'm for I'm forgetting rid of abortions that's cause that's causing a more evil and angry and violent society And it also it's actually increasing the number it has increased the number of out of wedlock births because the uh sex out of wedlock increased because oh, you have this extra option that you never thought of before So it's a it's a real mess. It's evil All right, and we'll continue on light of the twin lamps five dollars Hypothetically speaking, let's say a particular group commits most pew pew weapon violence t-jump should we restrict immigration from africa No, what does immigration have to do with guns? They don't bring the guns with them. The problem is the guns I know but it's but he's making the point that and I don't think that it's necessarily african immigrants some of their some of the immigrants and their children are uh, are a problem, but it's there's a lot of black americans who are um Who are just poorly raised and filled with filled with fed anger by the government the media The churches the mothers and even some fathers and so of course it's going to be out of control and I'm for reforming. I'm for a black reform. I'm for people reform not for this so-called gun reform All right, and we have kurt heneman for five dollars hank if you heard god Hake if you heard god tell you to kill the heathens would you obey the order? Uh, I don't think so. I mean god wouldn't tell me to do that. It's not the old testament, man. That's ridiculous He's trying to get me in trouble Oh, yeah, yeah, no he jumps If you lived in the old testament and god told you to do it. Would you do it? I I don't know. I don't know what I would do Oh my I might be the heathen gets killed God knows god knows these hypotheticals somebody's trying to get you in trouble and jim's trying to get his tetanus shots and Let's see. Really? All right. So we got uh This is quite the name. We got harry penis Praise god harry penis praise god. I can't do my uh televangelist voice today Ban gods ban dogs. They kill Swimming pools table salt skydiving fast food bungee jumping. We understand there are risks, but we still like the freedom I think that's towards you T jump Yes, so if we could prevent those from killing people as well, we should yes All right Caught in the middle five dollars the thing being missed is that there are so many guns Owned by the uh owned that the government doesn't push the major infractions. They might otherwise Thanks for your super chat caught in the middle. Nice to see you again I don't understand. They don't push the major infractions. I don't get it I think I don't know necessarily but caught in the middle is a is a I'm familiar with him. He may be talking about um I I don't want to put words in his mouth, but what I would say what he reminded me of is that uh Broken windows policing would do a lot and it did before a lot three strikes laws and things like that to reduce the uh violent crime It's not the solution because the solution that's only addressing the symptom again, but it's uh We have a soft on crime government Across the country in local local cities and stuff where literally the opposite of how the rest of the world sees it Well, I know the rest of the world is stupid. Uh caught in the middle. Sorry rest of the world. We love you Yeah, I was gonna say caught in the middle. I did have a follow-up for two dollars and thanks again um Maybe this could add some context saying 78 of g. I think he means gang crimes are illegal owners Yes Yes And they get those from legal owners usually So like most of the illegal owners either buy or steal guns from legal owners And so if you have less legal owners, there's less guns that would go to the illegal owners So they shouldn't be cracking down on the uh on the ability the free ability of the legal owners to be um to be uh Grabbing their guns we should nip in the bud The criminals before they even get to the point where they're even thinking of committing a murder Well, that causes more crime hate. So that's the that policy is what causes Being hard on crime if you get hard on crime That's more fathers in prison and less fathers in the home more fatherless homes more crime No, man. I don't care about that. That's that's not quite accurate. That's that's uh That's babying the the criminals by saying that type of thing Well, it's true. Like you you agree fatherless homes causes people to be raised without fathers in the west But that's not what's driving the fatherless homes. What's driving the fatherless homes. Hey, Hank, that's literally what's driving That's one of the reasons it is that maybe it may be a tiny one percent factor It's like one of the majority factors. No, I don't I don't buy that I think that it's google at hake. Why why are there so many fatherless homes google at hake? um If it's if it's one of the factors, I don't care because the Right because that's it's more when the uh fathers and mothers don't get along and uh, and Actually, that's partly because they're having sex that way like it's not it's not as if they're married Those aren't married couples who are it's not married fathers who are going to jail by and large I would I would hazard a guess Have you looked into that stat? I have no, I've never I've never had the interest of looking into that Boom marriage Morals Marriage has nothing to do with morals more christians more protestant christians are in prison and more protestant christians get divorces and more protestant christians Treat on their wives than do like secular people who aren't married It's irrelevant because christianity is a marriage and moral marriage. No, I'm just I'm just I'm not I'm making the point that uh christians are a mess ourselves Yes, yes, but it's but you can't say that it hasn't marriage has no well anyway Marriage does have nothing to do with it marriage is not relevant to it. I don't I don't know why you brought it No, it is it is it is relevant married parents uh married parents Are a are a good factor in the predictor if you want to let's get the statistics of the of the well-being of the kid I'm sure that that part I agree with for sure. Let's let's move under our last super chat And uh, I I will say I'm sorry. I caught in the middle of that. I misunderstood what you meant there Uh, so yeah g for gun crimes. So gun crimes also major infraction equals complete rights removal as in minor infractions to the constitution piece by piece Not complete deletion and this is our last super chat for the night I do not understand that read it over again. I'll listen closely uh, so Is it who is it caught in the middle again? Yeah, so if we just uh, just give me one second here I think I can get this all contextualized where he's given a few super chats here So 70 percent 78 percent of gun crimes are illegal owners Uh, the thing being missed here is that there are so many guns owned that the government doesn't push the major infractions That they might otherwise so I think what he's saying here is that That that the things that they're trying to hammer down on are uh Yeah, this is a little bit. I'm a little confused here myself and then and then read the last Yeah, so gun crimes. It was his clarification When he says in terms of major infractions so major infractions complete rights removal So owned that the government doesn't push for a complete rights removal That they might otherwise of everyone I think that's what he's implying there. I think uh, I think we've uh, We've tried to piece it together there. I'll do what now. We've gotten a real mess It's uh, like the reason we don't do a full right to move was because of the republicans Like if we didn't have republicans, we probably would have by now A rights removal of the second amendment you mean? Yeah Um, yeah, you're you're quite right. I'm sure There are some democrats and liberals and even socialists and communists who are for the gun rights, but many or not, um Uh, I'm not even for the I'm not even really for felons who were Served their full sentence not being allowed to carry guns. Sometimes those are the ones who who need to be armed Because they still have enemies, you know so It's uh, it's a mess All right. Well, we have an under incarceration problem though. That's We have more people incarcerated than like eight the other top eight countries combined talking about some of them should be death penalty I suppose. Oh my god. Some of them. Some of them don't belong in prison. Some of them are innocent I I'm quite sure of that. I mean we've Derek chauvin. I don't think that he's guilty of murder. Give me a break. Um But we have like a it's a it's a terrible mess But the this uh take away the gun solution. It's no real Solution All right said none of the countries who actually took the guns away and have less crime I don't care about those countries. They're they're evil. All right. I need I need uh, I need a 10 second response to this super chat and then we're going to close out Uh, so we can get uh t jump to bed here so that he's nice and rested up for uh, these juicy debates coming up here Uh, and thanks for doing that t jump. So, uh, hake When will you debate theologian benthorpe? One can never predict the future, but I'm not into the idea If uh, if modern day debate wants to host something I I I guess I wouldn't turn it down Because I like to take opportunities from modern day debate, but I'm not in the guy's full ego. So Drop it buddy. All right. Well, there we go. That's uh, coming in on a strong note there So we're gonna close on out once again. Uh, remember to hit the like and subscribe there. 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