 We have some public comment. So we've got the Recreation Committee that we see over there. We need a mascot. Luna? Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. Luna. issues. So I'll start in case I have to leave immediately. So at our last rec committee meeting we moved some money around in our budget and we thought we should probably just come and let you know and tell you what we're doing with that. So here you go. The top is the budget has approved and the bottom is where we move the money. It's no additional money. What we've done is we funded a thousand dollars to the Valley. It's the planning district in conjunction with the riders. It's a collaborative effort to put trail kiosks all around the valley. There's two that are supposed to go up in the more town and they've asked for the whole project in total I believe it's something like $50,000. I know the other three valley towns have put in like $8,500 each. This doesn't cover the cost of the kiosk just differs a little bit. So what we did is we took money out of the storage shed. We took money out of the metal trash cans and we took a little bit of money out of baseball field fence repair because that's going to come in a little less than we thought. And the reason why we did this is we support this project and also when we did the survey there was a lot of interest in the trails and especially in the mapping of the trails so we thought to follow along with the survey results that we got we should move this money around and support that ever. So I just wanted to let you know and get your group over. Oh, I moved except the change. Second. Yeah. Any further questions or questions? On paper or back? Hi. Hi. Thank you. That sounds like a good idea. Yeah, they're beautiful too. I have a picture of my home. It's been in the Valley for a couple of times. Yeah. You can see these kiosks. Some of the big trails are up there. Nice timber frames and a lot of nice information. Yeah. One's going here and one's going on the south. Oh, great. Yeah. A big one here and a small one on the south. Part of the nice area is so many people asking about what is going on up there with the trails. I think it'll be a big resource. Good. That's nice to know. So when that gets up, I'm sure we let someone or maybe you guys can put it on and show you about this on-front page form to let people know where it's there. I'm sure the Valley reporter will get some pictures of it. They told us the goals of putting them in by on or around September 1, which would be great if it was before. More of that would be all better. Yeah. School starts. Yeah. Will there be a trail map that we can give to the Valley report? There is a map already, actually. That's part of what they've been doing. Part of what we're surveying in the rears is they have a website and they're already printing and they're bigger maps. There's actually a little section of our trail system right here. You know, your little window. Yeah. We have a little trail map up on our kiosk. Yeah. If you go to the kiosk. Yeah. And this kiosk will be a bigger, nicer version of that with some other information about the people that maintain the trail and the talent. Good. Oh, I appreciate the efforts. There's a part two. Yes. So it's part of our budget. There's a fence project. And I don't know if you have any material. Yep. Wonderful. I'm really glad you have a little visual aid. So if you turn to the, I think that the most pictures are always easy. So if you turn to the picture that the project consists of putting up some fencing around the tennis court where no fencing now exists. Yep. So there's high fencing around the basketballs completely open on the sides. The main reason why we're not able to keep vehicles and other people from going on there and doing harm to the court. So the court, I would say, wields any type, especially vehicles, very bad for the court. Secondarily, the ball just flies up the side. So this is going to be a short fence, 42 inches tall. It's going to overlap the openings. So there's going to be no aid. We're going to do a little less turn to get in there. So if you really want to bring a four-wheeler or something, you're not going to be able to do that. If you really wanted to get a motorcycle or a bike or a stroller, you could still do that. It's sort of the common sense way to do it. So it's going to overlap a little bit the existing fence. It's going to set off about three feet. That's really, the scope of work is really that. And then some repairs to the baseball fence. And then we're going to put some flagging, some surveyed tape on this outfield fence. It got ripped apart a few spots, and there's some blarges. Call four different companies, gave them as many chances as I could, only two responded. That's not unusual. We knew this would come in under $5,000, so it wasn't posted to the town court. But for best practices, we still do the scope of work, so it's a little bit of a problem. We've got two people to fight. I don't know if you have those in front of you or not, but I think you're happy to pass one. I need one package. Middlebury Fence, I'm sure it can void this fence with the two that responded. I think it's noteworthy that Middlebury Fence returned the call the next day. It came up, looked at it literally within 48 hours and used the proposal the very next day after we looked at it. Whites, I nagged and said, jeez, work up to go to the recreation committee to meet any of you. If I don't have a second bid, you don't have a chance. This was your last call. It was the rainy day, it came out that Thursday in the traditional range. He looked at it, and his report comparatively came a couple of days later, but I had to nag him to get it. Middlebury Fence was like maybe with some construction models, was like, I mean, this is a detailed takeoff. They've got software programs. For every length of fence they do, they know how many nuts and bolts and fasteners and what they do, so he has a pretty sophisticated program. Comparatively, he's a kind of a one-man operation, and he's been predicted, which is not much cheaper. His came in last. Middlebury Fence came in high. In kicking it around the committee, there was some experience with fencing in the past. Both the town and the school, separately, had done that. They were represented on the roof, thankfully. They had these federal resources. And it was sort of a universal from folks that experienced, said, we think we should go not with whites this time. So that was how the committee voted to go with Middlebury Fence. I see there's a roughly, $600 difference. I had to do the total on whites. He didn't provide it. And again, not getting into the specs based on your recommendations. Oftentimes, we're going to move the value here, and the $600 would probably be well spent, I think. We also felt that there wasn't any detail in the whites, and so we weren't sure that we were comparing apples and apples, and that we were, there just wasn't enough information in the whites bid for us to really determine where we were getting the value from. Right, and for the middle-term, you're assuring that you're getting what you want. Exactly. So the total for Middlebury Fence came at $0.3759. $0.3759. And the whites came at $0.3196. And $0.45. So very round, $3,800 versus $3,200, if you were doing a 1,000-foot flyover. And I don't remember what's the town share on this. Actually, we had projected $3,835 for just the tennis court fence. So this is both, and the, you know, the fence work is split equally between the town and the school. So your share in our original budget was $1917. It'll be a little bit less. So they do know that where tax is at, right? They have put in $100 for tax. Yes, I mean, we'll provide them with the appropriate tax ID number we have, the sort of thing we don't, and they provide some insurance, I mean, not a pound. Forgive me, I don't do a lot of spending in the town's money. That's why I'm relying on you and the social security right now. The certificate of insurance, tax ID, and we're actually giving you tax ID. And then you will love that $100 should be off that rate. Right. So you can, you can, So actually, it's a $500 difference rather than the $600. Because that troll didn't include tax. Oh, right. That's a good assumption. So one of the questions I had is, again, this was a real proposal and kind of that you can actually, I mean, get your teeth into it in a sense, because you can sign it. And my real question is, you know, this is applied for you design, not for me. You guys are going to write it. I'm not saying the recreation committee versus we're really just an arm of you anyway. That's how I look at it. You know what? Why don't we just move to accept the proposal for the Middlebury Defense Company? Yeah, I'll make that option. Second? Second. Any further discussion? All in favor, go ahead. Aye. Thanks a lot, guys. If you could just make sure Sasha gets a copy of that. I'll make sure everything runs good. Okay. Close off. That's all I'm going to say. I mean, this is all I'm going to say. I'm going to say the same, right? I mean, this is all I'm going to say. Thank you for acting on it, because they vote four to six weeks out of it. So this is a limit. We want to come for your public meeting portion and not take up more time. We're kind of necessary to not wait another two weeks to get on the range. When was it we first discussed this? Because this all sounded very, very familiar to us. Oh, it's a budget time. So back in October. Yeah, we anticipated doing this project this year, and we got it. We got an estimate. We got an actual estimate at that point. Yeah, that's why we wanted to give him another shot. He came out and he had the original. So, yeah, you know, if you're just going to put a budget all around, I'd put X. That's what I do. Well, good. And I want to thank the Wreck Committee for the way you play the piece as well. It makes it easy to report to make a decision on it. It's all together. It's very concise piece of work. And so we appreciate that as well. Thank you. Great. And real quick, I emailed John about this, but the minutes of the last meeting reflect that he had asked me about the land management plan and that our committee was working on it. That's incorrect. And he knows a key. I got a question for him. Okay, good. Good. He just asked us to come. I got a few questions. I'm sure there'll be someone on the table, probably as well. Okay, good. Thank you for your talk. Thank you very much. Come in. I appreciate your call. Thanks. He's welcome to spend the rest of the evening here with us. If you'd like. No. I'll just let her just roam for me. He'll just ask. Okay. Great. How you doing? Kristi, you're welcome to pull on. We had a discussion. Honestly. I'm actually, I'm just here to report a dangerous dog or a little bro. It's near his school. Luna or that? I feel something. I think you could step on that one. How are you? Well, we are trying to make a better effort to kind of be in touch with you. And there are comments like, or maybe to keep you updated on what's going on with the school board. Of course, the school board is going on summer break mercifully. So, not, they won't reconvene until August. But at the last meeting, there was a phenomenal showing on four town parents, John, Cain, you know, expressing their concerns about, you know, creating uncertainty about the future of the elementary school, the effect that that has on the town and the, the foot should be an effect that has on our, our ongoing efforts to recruit and encourage younger families to move to this area of the entire district. So, I think a lot of people showed up. A lot of people spoke really well to the issues. It meant a lot to me that John would take the time after in addition to the duties for the town to come and be there. And that's sort of where we are. I apologize for missing the last meeting. Chris and I have come to ourself. I had some visitors and we got distracted with them. So, at this point, we don't, I don't know that we know a great deal more than one could read the paper in terms of, you know, what the options put forward for analysis by the full board and work. I think we'll see when we come back in August, what information we have. And, you know, that's where we are. But I think, I think Chris was sort of the same mind, you know, and concerned that, you know, not only about the analytical process and making sure it's transparent and proceeds from findings to conclusions and not in the other direction, but also about the effects on all of these towns, every town in the district of coming up on four years of uncertainty and talking about what's going to happen. We can be quite sure something's going to happen. We don't know what to walk. And that, I think that has a very, it has consequences for the real estate market. It has consequences for the morale of the people. Working for the district may have consequences for parents. And I think we've all learned from this unique experience. It's our first time doing the Act 46 thing. It wasn't something we chose. You know, I think lessons have been learned along the way, but there's no question that this process has caused a great deal of upset and uncertainty. And some of it at least was avoidable. I think we had a second run during the Act 46 merger process. I have been chair of the committee that did that. In retrospect, I think it was a colossal mistake we shouldn't have been allowed to proceed to a vote on the merger authority without a plan in place for people to vote on. You know, it's, you know, here we are four years later or something. You know, with really no substantive final answer to the question, what is it we're trying to do here and what are the costs and benefits? And, you know, I think that's a, it's been a challenging process. It was everybody's first time doing it and all the time doing it. But I certainly think that if we had it to do the second time, it would, everybody involved would know that it was quite different. Yeah. Yeah, I think you just said the, your point on, we've actually, as a board, I mean, you guys can try and what you heard there, but we've talked about some of those same issues and I've got a letter I'm going to share with the board tonight. I don't know if I've seen it or if it was printed today. But I've worked, and a lot of those questions that you just asked, they will continue to ask in your mind about the transparency about, you know, what the goals are here. And quite frankly, I've addressed the letter that was said to you by some of them as well. I thought that was very inappropriate, unprofessional, and it makes me really, really wondered about the governance of the board and whether they really understand. I would like to add to that that I personally am proud of having been called selfish in that letter, because that means that I'm looking out for the interests of this town. So, yeah. So, I hope. I take the position that, you know, I was like to buy more town to make the best decisions for more town and the entire district and that's what I'm going to continue to do. Which means that I will continue to come here as needed and voice whatever. And so that's. Right. And there are going to be times when I'm sure, you know, sometimes the boards don't agree with each other on what we both want. But, you know, we're still individuals and we have an opportunity and there needs to be an opportunity for one to let their constituents know this is the way we're feeling what I think. I think there's nothing wrong with that. We need to, you know, call them like it is. And, you know, I have, you know, it's a top job that boards do. So, and it's a big board. It's a board. So, it's a challenge for Mr. Hollister to run now. You know, hopefully going forward. I think she is. You know, I actually had a discussion with her today. We almost have now a discussion just to really talk about everything that goes on and try to get a few answers. And, I, you know, it was a little, you know, it wasn't getting the executive want, but you know, but I think they're working hard and I see her as an asset there. Yeah, I think I heard you should, I'm glad that you're connected. I know she had tried to connect with you a little bit before in the last meeting. You know, I think she's thrown phenomenal energy into trying to improve the cross communication between interested parties. There are a lot of interested parties and this is an awesome job. So we're all trying to cooperate and support her and, you know, running a type of procedural shift and finding time to communicate with everybody. And, you know, that's sort of where we are. It's, I saw what you were talking about too when I thought, unfortunately that is a cultural, there's some cultural trade. It's part of the people in the beginning of this process that was, you know, your job is not to advocate for the magnitude but to, you know, protect the institution from our inexplicably numerous critics. People all made it up. Why not be exactly how this is going to work? But, it's a powerful way to have a hand on the behalf of folks who can do something for training and undoing that and have, and also kind of educated the word on its articulations to the broader community, to the social effects in the big picture on community development, on morale, on, you know, exactly. We all have a common interest no matter what town you're in in making sure that there's a district now. There's a district because an equalized people to us is an equalized people now. It doesn't matter what town an equalized people is attracted to. We are all interested in making sure that this entire area does well. And we have a great opportunity to do that. It means as we've talked about before, I think select boards make sure they're friendly to residential development and make sure that they do what few things are in their control and make sure there's affordable housing. And it has to do with all of us projecting kind of confidence about the future and not unnecessarily causing alarm. I think that's one of the big, big licenses. And as I say, in this process and I'm sure the legislature too would have done this in a very different way if they had to do it again. So all we can do is watch and I know Peter and Jill have been trying to champion and looking at research from other areas that have attempted similar things and about the secondary effects. And that's an area where we could clearly do a lot better than we have. Right. And I think that's one of the areas I've discussed with Caitlin and she agreed that with three scenarios of them to do nothing scenario. But that's not it. There's other stuff to involve in that such as what we're talking about, the other stuff that makes a community. And that was refreshing to hear from her that we may get these three proposals or whatever there, but that's not any game here. There's many other factors. So it's not all based on what you may see in the paper, whether it's cost or movement students. There's other factors that she's willing to look at. It says there's a plan to it. So we're all kind of watching a wedding of daughters, I guess, and enjoying not having two new babies. But I think, you know, I'll still have to tune in hard and, you know, see what will happen. Well, that was hard work. You know, first of all, I'll get you right here. Yes. You have set a correction for the meeting minutes, right? Yes. Okay. So why don't we just do meeting minutes right now? Everyone doesn't mind. So that way, we can just make sure they want to just go there. You start to have this note that you saw. Yes. So this was this was to my attention. Yes. I was fond of the first meeting was on a last Tuesday and so she brought the change because I think in the minutes it said that the number one person who want to make a position because I've born that she is 100% in favor of moving five and six. And I believe I said this 100% not in favor. So I think That's that and then the other one was that number two is that she was quick on the school board number it was saying We have to show taxpayer savings. It's not about what's best for the kids I believe what I said is we have to show taxpayer your savings. I've never heard them say it's what's best for the kids So that was the that was the two bigger things that stuck out in my mind is I remember that phrase Ray you have any other corrections, I don't Very very wondering to his own word And Pre-k, I think is so different Okay, and John To Michelle's point, we want to clarify didn't mean the rec committee would be working on the plan, but we would be exploring Formally management committee that would include someone from the wreck Anything else to do guys I was just here to support a person Okay, thank you We all were afraid to do it and then John John Wonderful summer. Yes One other I was only left with voice message, which I returned and left the voice message Apparently she wants to connect with all of these And like I said, I spoke with her today. Okay. What was that? She's reached out to me earlier as well That's what comes with the communication will be key going forward between everyone all parties I think You know those big things You know someone else comes in and shares it, but you know really it's So Okay I can cut this because they started the process So 63 and You can't still borrow but that's fine So Why don't we now move on to reports communications Yeah Prior to sending me on the The talent done some ditching up there not finished And apparently I Reach out to mark Have we had any I think it needs to be a front page What's this gentleman's name or Is that the person that can head? Yes. Okay. Yeah, Karen said that through I Think he'd be a good candidate But let's see what we have Right out there. Otherwise, I could Comes up Let's just see what we have To be In use all right so Dara asked and then there was a request like Suggesting Do either of those three have any interest in knowing do we know Yeah, and Dara's great portion of the for this actually She's done a lot of things Energy is high. I would Let's say we ask Right Yeah, all right Right when you do minutes and everything The tax max are now on the website So Yeah The Martin has proved it, so it's Once you all orange for every 100 we end up free downhill road to the current cable Letter from wrong right or that Christopher Bush sent me Oh, yeah, yeah, that was I think do we address that last meeting yeah, because he just wants to extending the From dr. Butch's house just up to his son's a little bit. Yeah So what was the question on there Yeah, he just needs to do a simple Not Access work in the right way access Mm-hmm You know what it's the same This is what they're doing Doing great Everybody the act 48 All right, yeah, so long make sure Nick has got this and It's just want to make sure of it in rental units I think you wouldn't do do inspections that we Let the state know What the inspection was And it's just so Request for data is critical for the state to understand the nature of the volume of rental housing Complaints that received Yeah Don't know that we have to deal with it yet to do August 1st, but the Town warden bridge standards I'll at least raise the question that I have on this because we have to sign off on this So we don't get right, but you it's like the Chinese menu column a And I'm looking for Advice as to the best thing for more town to select My take looking at it is we do not need to sign on hydrologically connected plus four roads And I'm wondering if I'm mistaken in some way. There's a reason to do that What exactly does that mean House forwards for this purpose divided into two types Connected and not and definition hydrologically connected appears to be whether it shows up on some specific Okay, I have not looked at Connected means that as a drainage or erosion problem where the water ends up the significant Okay, so it means does it make it to a body of water we care about we in that case being the state And the question so we sign on Different categories We're effectively made to sign on to this for most categories of roads or we won't qualify for It looks like there's nothing making us sign on for We should sign For example, it's possible that if those roads are damaged and flooding Even we pay for it if we were adhering to those standards, but that doesn't seem to be a Finalized agreement or there's no evidence for it yet So what do we know Well, what in the past We'll have to look that out to see what we've done in the past I think this is all new because of the new Stronger students Yeah, so typically there's not an option Typically, here's what the new standards are. Yeah, but they do like you They do indeed If a platform is running Well, I'm just don't hang out here So it's running parallel to Harry bro. So that's a connected So I think you'll find most of the roads have a brook Near them that eventually ends up in me either Probably why it's Yeah, so I think you never have time finding any none So But no, but I guess making just Your experience tells you that well, everything does yeah You think you know, do you have your resources Jason maybe get a look at that map and see what it's a Yeah, is it right on their website? What I discovered in the past is the in our maps have a Thousand different layers Know what you're doing to select So I may or may not be successful Because it's toward attention. I think it would be nice to well, you know, if we could look at it, I think just raise making You know, it's a nonsense to tell us this but let's really look at it and see I may be surprised Answer Today That And he went and proceeded to spray a few squirts of roundup over there And then I should watch where I get my fill from I See what's going on I also talked to the key today about just to double check with her because I think there may be an issue with spraying roundup a Around the town ditch line Because you need to have a commercial applicator's license to spray any kind of stuff like that off your property from what I've heard Who's spraying around Steve? So he came over he would have Yeah Because I don't really want to be I know Martin is Certified to spray roundup. Yeah, where he has been in the past I don't know if he still does because I did let Sean know because Sean's been the one who's been over there doing All of the work and he from what I heard touch base with Martin and Martin said that You need to do that and they don't even spray But also there was a bunch of ditching down there last year. So if there is not we there Where did they come from? But just that's what I got today Hey, I just want to give you a heads up that the new that the fill for the new culvert Ilios property seems to be infected for Japanese not we I gave a few new shoots a squirt of roundup It's going to need vigilant attention for a few years So far her and Brooke has been free of not weed and Jones broke has been mostly free upstream of the Berlin town line Once it gets established, it's nearly impossible to remove it It will lower property resale values and will decorate the stream habitat Attends to work its way downstream. So if it gets established only of property It will work its way across talents property and then downstream all the way to Jones Brooke Be careful about where the fill comes from. So yeah, I think Go out and take a look at it if you could read yeah, and see if there is not we and then talk to the Martin And see what we're doing with not we when we had Bill that had come from the river. Yeah years ago, right? I think it was up on South Hill Road because some of them You know, it is what it is the attributes The other thing is if it's in that ditch line There's running water through that which line that runs right down into the brook. So anything you spray there Right, so that would mean that but that those are technical things that if because we won't be doing it And if they're certified So he just says the situation Do we need to make sure that somebody to work who is certified I think when you're Checking with them. I think that would be the only Loop of the conversation is if not, we need to get someone I would say I think this is going to be a further issue. The more work is done on that piece of property Do you think it's not we just come up from the property? So just be aware that Right Things that was passed Pay scale Numbers together If we're discussing this I want to take it home and I need to get away from all the work This was just this is the money we have And this is kind of backfinding it this way. Let's see If we're where you want to be Just one general question. We're gonna say current current rate. Is that rate? I already included a 2% increase for this year Yeah That's January's pay where we approved it in March, but what you last year So this is last year's rate, so right and they've had a 2% increase already, all right And actually we have some great and maybe Katie would you mind pouring me that? Yeah That would be awesome Just to do pair since I have that actually have a home out of the paper, but if I could have it on the electronic it would be nice that way of being here move around but So I want to buy next meeting act on this as we told everyone we would So expect a little bit of a few emails on this not to discuss but just more information and then bring your thoughts next meeting to For communications there So let's go ahead and personal policy And we looked at that Personal policy All right, all business record these four Didn't we The guys All right, so I follow on that just to check Martin in the morning Outside yeah all business Any new business can we have a couple things that we need to go into executive session with