 Hi again So this is this is really really cool Cuz and I'm gonna call you angel because I'm I don't speak Spanish, so Angel's great. Okay. Good afternoon everyone. How are you all doing? so Please angel tell us about your career and why you find yourself here today Sure. Well, thank you and thank you for having me and it's amazing conference. You all having a good time so far I have so many colleagues. I haven't seen physically and you know in a while right and to see people again physically It's just so rewarding. I think we're I think we're back to pre-pandemic I don't know where Grizz is but he might be able to tell us statistically, but I think we're back. We are well Well, look my open-source journey Much like everyone else has started in Arecibo, Puerto Rico No, you didn't start there. No Programming IBM 370 assembly language and why does it start there? because How was the beneficiary of someone else who gave me access to a machine where I could program IBM 370 and share knowledge now fast forward like everyone else, right? You get excited you get excited about what I call the three C's Code content, which is learning and community people right now so lucky because This other person took me under his wing And this was certain burners Lee and I got to co-author many of the web standards that that that you know We enjoy today, right? I Attended that some of the JavaScript Sessions and so forth. So it's so exciting to see these things put into action But the career continued it's been a lot of time at IBM. I think IBM's done some good stuff in open source over the years, right and and with the Linux Foundation to see this kind of second renaissance Which is the concept of bringing these open-source stars together into constellations foundations, right and having the honor of working with a lot of you on the JavaScript Foundation the cloud native computing Foundation, which has just grown Immensely to see foundations like the risk five Foundation hardware that that bridge between hardware and software and user interaction. There's just so much going on So it's been it's been a real fun journey But let me just say one thing. I've learned a lot in that journey and And and as I said, I was the beneficiary of others A lot of you have spent a lot of time in open source and with great power comes what? Responsibility so you all have to be the beneficiary of someone else give them a hand, right? You know, those are those are great. I think you had the statement around the chopping wood and carrying water, right? So that's how you enter a community chop some wood you carry some water, right? But someone's got to help you chop that wood and carry that water, right? You don't know how to write documentation might not know mark down, right? Okay, get started get going and then you build your career My personal favorite. I know I'm supposed to be biased toward financial services That's about my whole life in financial services. My personal favorite is the Academy Software Foundation. They make really cool-looking stuff so so Having spent your career in technology Now you see open source coming to financial services and now you've joined discover, which is a financial services company What what do you see? What do you see? Technology best practices now beginning to influence other industries. What's your perspective on this? Yeah, you know There's so much good in open source That in financial services when you look at how open source communities work and how we as an organization Right need to work. You can just copy those principles and get better every day Which is by the way one of our behaviors getting better every day. So I'm at discover. We have a card We have a bank. We have payments. Hope you all have discovered cards fantastic product You don't if they don't they will buy they will buy now But but you know like all companies, right? You know, we're obsessed with delivering better financial futures to our customers That's fine. But how do you do that? Right starts with thinking about the customer the customer journey, right? They're digital journey The concept of digital journey is Sophisticated we are sophisticated people now. We do we demand many different things and if our technology infrastructure Does not match The demands of what our clients need you have a problem, right? If our people Aren't skilled and don't share like in an open source community, then they can adapt quick enough, right? If our processes aren't Agreed to or community driven. It's hard to cross pollinate between teams, right? so for us We took this open source concept of Code content community to build our way of working so we established an inner open source Academy we call to discover technology Academy. It's a fantastic place engineers share Code patterns reuse patterns Golden Pass Andrew gave a presentation on Golden Pass very well done You know knowledge of how we do things as well as articles blogs tutorials videos And then we have a kind of a plus one mechanism to define our own methods and standards everything from How do we do design thinking practices empathy maps personas journeys? How do you write user stories? How do you how many code branches do you want to have in GitHub? How do we do logging within the logging infrastructure? How do we run? How do we operate right and that approach allows us to move faster and allows us to better service our customers So here at finnace one of the things we have is the open-source readiness special interest group And we spend a lot of time as gab mentioned trying to educate financial services Companies on how to participate in open source and you know a lot of the first reactions we get from people who you know Financial services tends to be kind of closed Model You know everything is special secret sauce, you know can't share anything and now we're trying to do something where peers Potential competitors are working together on something so for heavily regulated industry with whose Initial knee-jerk reaction is no to sharing What how would you advise them to begin? You know this is a topic of discussion at our SIG all the time, but what's your perspective and that is a great thing I'll plug to your SIG because it is a great place to come together and talk about shared experiences, you know I'm new to financial services. You know, I've been a I'm a technology person horizontal technology person for many years And I'm learning very quickly But there's nothing slow about the financial services industry Right. Yeah, there's regulations. There's things that we need to follow and so process and we do that But it is fast-paced and it is moving, right? And So I think the the best advice I have there is to bring folks together to understand The the value of using open source to better serve your outcomes in your clients I'll give you a couple of examples You know and discover we we participate in in many opens or we can consume a lot of open source like all of you Right, but we also participate in open source communities. We're not as visible perhaps as others, but we are out there doing stuff apis Right packed for testing apis. We'll do that You know, we find that there's a certain kind of function or capability we need Because of a particular regulation that we that we need to follow. So we've got a choice Fork it who wants to fork it raise your hand everybody happy with forking No, you are well, I was at the electron presentation. I was given a strong no on the fork for electron but I Like to fork things too, but no, you don't want to fork it you do it in the community Right, because then all of a sudden you get the capability others get it, right? As a person who runs engineering you you lower your cost of ownership, right? You don't have to maintain forked code, you know all the good stuff that happens, right? So when you have those types of discussions Internally it becomes very clear comes very clear that sharing is caring now There's one more dimension to this and someone mentioned it I think it was one of the panel sessions you were you were hosting earlier When it comes to people, right? The the heart of an organization is the human is us as people, right? And you want to build your craft you want to get better, right? There is no better way of Showing or learning than having to teach or contribute When you're standing on stage teaching like giving a technical presentation on something Trust me, you know that topic because your word you're gonna get asked a question. You don't know, right? So by empowering your employees to participate in open source, they get better Which means your organization gets better and everybody wants those little badges and that and those little you know Mara badges you put on the LinkedIn as well. So that's a good thing too Yeah, so empowering your employees that that's sort of You know kind of a top-down enablement But then I think also what you're talking a lot about is bottoms up Sort of pushing up on on your management from an engineering perspective And I think that's a very interesting topic here So I I believe there's a lot of engineers in the room a lot of people who participate in open source every day already What would your advice be for them and how they can influence their organization and sort of lead from From their perspective Yeah, well, you know Building products is a team sport, right and you know building technology is a team sport I hope everyone has an equal seat at the table with their business colleagues You know, we certainly do and discover right because You have this art of the possible discussion, you know, did you know That you could do this because sometimes our colleagues in business doesn't know Right, or the business folks says hey We would really like to do this and we just didn't understand the use case Right, we just didn't get it. So it's that working togetherness Is what allows this spin wheel to move faster faster and faster And again, not everything needs to be, you know, big external efforts. A lot of this starts internally That's where I started this gene this kind of sharing is part of our culture And it's part of what we do internally as well. I mean, we have so many inner open source projects All of our code is inner open source. We work Together internally and again, it's not just code. It's knowledge It goes back to the chopping wood and carrying water, right? It's documentation I know documentation sounds boring, but it's not boring When you have a you know, your your system is down and you're looking at the code and you don't know where Where anything is trust me all of a sudden documentation becomes really important, right? So, uh, so yeah, that's that's I think the the best way to do this Yeah, I think sometimes, you know showing Shameless plug the art of the possible is is very speaks a thousand words. So bringing some of those Go see the demos during lunch bringing some of those ideas to your business partners as a start and then To your point contributing and making that idea better because probably other people have had a similar idea, but You can add that little extra twist to it And re-contribute that back make their product better and then gain from that. That's something you can do So again, check out the demos during lunch and during break so Discover is coming to finnows and and joining this community Why finnows there are lots of other open source places to go but jane you're here Oh, thank you. I was waiting for this all day I mean, she's and yeah Look, um You know at discover we're involved in so many aspects of open source because I keep on going back to product development life cycle It is not just code, right? It you know the concept of customer journey Everyone everyone here something called design ops, right which is going from design thinking to implementation In a round robin kind of way without doing that pdf handoff to your uiux engineers, right? There's just so many different places. Let's say in horizontal type of technology Where I think we've got very strong Needs and opinions and and and want to collaborate Around use cases business cases and contributing code So so there's kind of think of that as the horizontal now Then then people distinguish horizontal to vertical, right? Which? Well, if you squint at it everything is horizontal, but but yes, you can say there's some things that are vertical But it's the same exact reasoning. You know when you look at what our customers do Cart across card our bank our payment systems, right? There's some and it's not uncommon like our customers or humans where all we do these things every day We all benefit, right? So when you look at those use cases, there's opportunity There's opportunity and what better place To have those discussions Around that opportunity than an organization Well, I guess it's the world's largest organization for financial services, right for open source In here it is. So it goes back to where I started because of Eugene And Gabrielle. I'm sure he's here somewhere. Oh, yeah, he's he's listening So, um How should people think about engaging with discover and and what how would you like to invite the community to participate with you? Absolutely. Well, you know check us out on github That's that's the best place to start. But um, you know, uh, I think as we Uh get more let's say visible as an organization because I started off saying we do a lot in open source But we don't talk a lot about it, right? We don't share that we start to do more of that Uh and and and try to you know be more visible I think it'll become very clear how we can start collaborating and organizations like finnowson Cloud native computing foundation to javascript foundation other places, you know, you'll there'll be great opportunities to do that And of course I get lonely sometimes. So if you want to like hit me up on the linkedin That's okay You know or the or the twitter or the insta You know or whatever else there is You know that's a great way to So you you are That's very interesting advice. You're giving a lot of really good advice for engineers to to kind of lead Lead and and start plus oneing and and bringing other people along and and sharing ideas And where we started was you've had a very very long journey And you've been the ambassador of open source all this time So um any any closing thoughts any any sort of suggestions? What would you what would be your first call to action for everybody here? Yeah, I I mean it's it's it's it's it's real it's real clear. I mean look we know this There's been an amazing democratization of technology. I started about this IBM 370 stuff like who who programs in assembly language other than maybe me Not many people right, but then you have functional programming object-oriented programming Etc. Etc. Etc. We live on the shoulders of giants, right? So this democratization of technology allows us to deliver value faster, right? But we also said with this power comes Responsibility yes, right So the one thing I'll leave you with because everybody here you're here because you're leaders of something, right? You're leading your organization. You're leading an open source project. So this is the best group to give this little nugget to Is to help somebody else move forward into the community and leverage those practices For good Right and whatever that may be may be good for your organization Good for their career. Good for open source. You get to define what that means Yeah, so before as we were coming up I said that I was talking to someone last night and they said oh well, you know, this is really great But for my business area, there's really not much here And I said well You can start it You can come here and share your ideas if you don't see what you need Bring it to us and we'll help you get up here And talk about it. So thank you. Thank you very much for this And and thank you for all you're doing for open source and for your Ambassadorship and please engage and engage with this cover and and we'll see you guys out there and visit the demos Thank you