 So cricks did a really good video really good interview with some of the classic devs about cataclysm classic and Season of discovery people people have different thoughts on season of discovery. I've called it basically classic plus beta That's what I think it is. That's how I'm seeing it Everybody's saying it was really good and that I should check it out So you guys should check out crick stuff if you guys like this video cricks vibes Okay, let's continue Yo, what's up boys? My voice is shot. I just got back from bus con. I'm fucking poor back Okay, I'm here and I had to do a quick video for you guys because this is huge, right? I'm sure you guys have heard all about cataclysm. I mean cataclysm sorry in classic plus What's essentially classic plus the season to discuss seasons of discovery? However, thanks to icy veins I had the honor to interview two of the top devs for cataclysm and seasons of discovery with a grin and Nora Okay, so that's what this is. This is gonna be a short little interview It's about 30 minutes long my voice is shot Nora's voice is shot So I had to tweak with the audio a little bit Everybody's voice is shot. It's also just recorded from my phone So it's not some phenomenal interview, but we learn a lot of stuff a lot of stuff a ton of it Like I said, I just got back in town today from bus con. I've been gone for like 16 days or something I've got it. I literally recorded every class rune. I played it all I'm gonna start the videos tomorrow with that and keep you guys in touch, okay? We talked a little bit about wrath right now We talked about cata and obviously seasons discovery. I had a lot of questions You're very nice and and answered most of them to be honest. That was pretty cool Kick your feet up my boys grab some popcorn and let's get it There we go talking for Yes, that's what we're here for Icy veins So like I'm gonna obviously there's classic plus which I don't even know what to ask about that So we're gonna I want to start with some listening stuff if you don't mind We're at the end of it, right With it wrapping up. Are you guys happy with how the expansion went? Like it could play out how you guys wanted to know what the words and stuff in the beginning I don't think okay, so I What's super cool, and I've said this before it what's what's really really cool to see with a classic team Is they're very like open and they're very uh, they like have been interfacing I feel like there's been so much red tape around Blizzard for years and Like I said, I had the opportunity to get to know a lot of people on the the like early classic team Really well Like namely like Omar right we got stuck to Brian quite a bit mostly I mean I would talk to Omar a lot right the big thing is is like there was just so much red tape around When like how much they could really communicate and now like the the current classic team is just it's kind of like no holds Barred they can they can talk about whatever I mean they I mean obviously there's things they can't do but it just compared to how it was before it's like really cool and you can see how passionate they are right and Like like both aggrand and I think Nora is her name They're they're I didn't get to talk to her at all, but I talked to aggrand a little bit I talked I talked to a bunch of people, but it's just so great to see like how passionate everybody is So yeah, I'm very excited to hear this interview We had to kind of kind of like grow into like the tight nerd engine thing a little bit But we're very happy with how it ended up you know we kind of got to the point where it's like Press W and blast and that it's pretty fun and you know old pre-nur folder was blast It's probably one of the most technically challenging things we've done from a pre-nurse, but it played out really really well and Honestly, I see see everything we wanted like you know lich king is a mythic boss Yeah, that that was the next question. Are you just like 80 kills that have killed them are you as happy with that? Did you expect that or are you kind of like them? I thought more would kill it by now we were worried that it would just get blasted through because of how you know It's better, right? But for the most part yeah, we're pretty happy with it It's nice for people to have to kind of earn that you know the joy of having accomplished something That's good Are you allowed to say anything about Ruby Sanctum or not good when it's gonna come at least or something? What about the ICC buffs TBD, so this is this is a tough thing we want to wait until it kills like there's a lot of guilds that really want to Progress, yeah as it was right and we learned a lot of good lessons from Serpent Shrine cavern stuff where we kind of tried to like pull that nerf in a little bit too soon And that really kind of upsets them people and it's like so we're just gonna kind of we're Waiting for people to tell us that they're ready for it a little bit There's there's probably a period of time. We're like, okay, just we just need to do it I'm gonna turn on I'm gonna turn on the captioning just because the audio stuff at the same point like we Don't rush it so no specific time frame Like it okay Would you guys ever because you know there's people like they love Lich King they love TBC Lich King They don't want to play cat or they don't want to I'm not a huge Lich King guy But I love burning crusade or talked about like the TBC or an era version of them Hmm Lich King or TBC kind of like how there is what season for people that want to just stay in that meta I have some insight on this too. It's something we've talked about We don't have plans of doing but again, it's one of those things that we continue to listen to When you're feedback and go based on what the company is asking for It'll be really issue. You kind of read read some commentary after this Read forums really But it's something that never say never like it's not something we have like necessarily in the cards right now, but Yeah, so um I had a chance to talk to somebody on the team about this too specifically about like a TBC era Um because I commented on their shirt. I was like, dude, I like that a classic shirt like burning crusade shirt on I was like, dude, I love burning crusade like I feel like it doesn't get enough like Burning crusade. I feel like doesn't get enough love right because you have you have classic which is like the beginning Right, that's the genesis and a lot of people look at classic wow as a trilogy of vanilla burning crusade and wrath And and you have vanilla, which is like the genesis and then you have The the end of it, right? You have the big finale the grand finale and lich king and killing arthas, right? So the middle of that story ends up getting lost a lot of times And the gameplay of burning crusade is is like the the most fun. I've ever had specifically game burning crusade classic Is is the most fun I've ever had playing wow and I think what sucks about burning crusade again specifically burning crusade classic Is it had some like key problems for a lot of people that played the game through phase two through tier five, right? Like the beginning was great the beginning of burning crusade was great then people could kind of notice some issues that need to be fixed and compared to comparatively to the past I actually think blizzard was like very agile in terms of getting it fixed But it it took it still took them like too long because The the reputation that blizzard has had over the years is they just take way the hell too long to do anything Right, it's because of all that red tape at blizzard, you know Whether it's blizzard or whether it was activision or whoever it was right There's just so much red tape and it takes forever to make anything happen. So you had this problem of You know getting alts attuned for raids or like Individuals would end up quitting a guild and because you had individuals quitting a guild or a raid Because you weren't clearing that was the first time tier five was the first time That people were in in large amounts not able to clear the raids in classic. Wow. And then you started to have people You started to have people fall off. You started to have people quit um, so that's why that's why I love burning crusade so much, right is uh Like that was like whenever it kind of started to hit that point of like, okay It's you're starting to have a little bit of differentiation between like I earned it. I when I when you killed kaelthos, you feel like you earned it when you killed vosh You feel like you earned it and then also specifically like my class, right? I really love the paladin gameplay But there were specific things like that Uh, eventually them adding tier tokens to be used as pvp gear so you could gear up alts Uh for pvp like they they did a lot of good things, but they did it They didn't have actually have it done until season three So, uh, I kind of got stuck in a ramp there. Sorry, but I talked to somebody at blizzard about it and They're they're It's it's something I mean they mentioned in this interview They've like talked about it And I think it sounded like it's something that they could just do not like at the drop of a hat But but it wouldn't take them very long to be able to spin up tbc era if they wanted to So maybe that is something that we're going to get in the future But uh the way that she talked about it like uh the way the way that uh or he talked about it here is um The way that you talked about it here. It's like very uh, you know, maybe right, uh, but it's like kind of non-committal but uh From from What I what it seemed like to me was like, yeah, this is something that's doable That was when it led to the conversation about like the provision of classic wow Right, which I've talked about before and I'll talk about it again in the future But I want to I want to throw it out there just so I can remember to talk about it later Um, we had the conversation about the provision of classic wow Which is like how important it is to have vanilla burning crusade and wrath available for people to play Anyway, continue and that's that's something I'll talk about in the future. So let's talk about cataclysm now What are you excited to see? Do feel or let us or are you excited to have us react to me? I mean, I think For me personally, sorry For me personally, I'm excited to see Us carrying over the new dungeon difficulties and we're going to take more dungeons over into cataclysm I think those were a huge hit. We've learned a lot like like josh said, we've learned a lot through that Sort of letting players earn that power and then blast through your rate and Basically making it easier for folks to catch up as well as the expansion progresses Another thing too is like we're making adjustments to the length of like our patch cadence Basically to how long a raid to or has been released. We don't want folks to kind of You know get through a raid like Continue to clear it continue to clear it and have it kind of drag on and so we do plan on kind of speeding things up a little bit We've talked about this in a couple of other interviews that I think it's really interesting to see what people think of cataclysm with that faster cadence because I like this is sort of an assumption But I think it's a fair assumption that a lot of the reason that cataclysm Was divisive was because of the cadence especially dragon soul. That's the main complaint is how long dragon soul was You know, I mean like you can only do kill the spine of death week so many times, right? And that's the benefit of a lot of my problems. We're not we're obviously making adjustments making changes and stuff But we're not building the content and so that's really the lag time for for what that's what dictates How long it is before another patch becomes like building the content. Well, it's already built for the most part We're making turning, you know turning to pull a few levers on it But we have a lot of agency and how fast to do that and we're I'm really curious to see if it's sort of like A lot of people who are maybe like kind of never cat us, you know, like turn a corner on it I think they are I think they will yeah, yeah I like I I know a bunch of people that a couple years ago like my guild like they're like, I'm done it right at this game But they're always like, well, you know, actually, you know, this is now that it's here. We're all still together Let's just keep you know and keep the party roll. And so it's like, I think that's I think that's cool I think that's one of the cool things of working on classic is as we release, you know, as we work on a progression servers it's one of those things that like So this This kind of leads me to believe that they're just going to keep going Yeah, I mean that that comment right there, by the way kind of leads me to believe like Classic is set up in a way that they're probably just going to keep it rolling Which kind of seems weird like when are we going to get classic wad classic mists classic, you know classic Shadowlands Right classic dragon flight because at this point it's like I I feel like cataclysm is that break point So it's not really classic anymore. I mean if people are going to play it It's free, right? Like I thought they were going to do cataclysm because it's free and what I mean by it's free It's free for them when they designed vanilla classic vanilla They basically reverse engineered the retail version of the game which at the time was legion They started a reverse engineering of the game back down All the way to vanilla and they they were really specific about it because they said Uh, I'm pretty sure they said this publicly They wanted to be able to go back to classic in a way where they were like, you know Dotting their eyes crossing their t's making sure they cover their bases So that if you want to if they wanted to progress past vanilla They would have the capabilities to do so easily And there wouldn't have to be like a lot of dev time spent After classic at launch because once classic launches the clock starts Right the clock starts for like release cycles of you know, eventually doing burning crusade different patches yadda yadda yadda If they are prepared to just kind of keep on rolling I think they're going to keep going after cataclysm. I'm not a big cataclysm guy. I will level in cataclysm I never rated in cataclysm I quit after a couple months because I didn't like the the class design Of how I played a paladin. I will I will at least level in cataclysm Just for it is the leveling and cataclysm was very fun for me. I remember having a good time leveling, but let's continue But it's a banger. It's one of my favorites. That's like, I think it's the best rate ever in the world Yeah, I've ever done. I oh, you know what and that's a good point volt and I've said this before Every expansion was somebody's favorite expansion. So enough people are playing. There's no reason to stop Yeah, as long as people keep playing the game when classic wow first came out 15 years ago Or excuse me now 20 years ago almost 19 years ago original wow came out You know, you played it you loved it whatever and you moved on and then eventually that led to wow classic coming out in 2019 So you had this like 15 year time frame of yeah, I want to play something from 15 years ago And there was a lot of people that hated on people that wanted vanilla there's a lot of people that hated on people that wanted legacy servers a lot of people hated on people that want classic whatever and uh This led to a lot of animosity for a while for years actually from like the private server community and all this stuff And a lot of that is like settled at this point because the the communities emerged so much But now when you look at it four years later. Well, it's been almost the same amount of time from Vanilla from classic launch to vanilla as it was from Cataclysm to what would be cataclysm classic like you're almost looking at that same time frame So now if people are like weird about people wanting cataclysm I think that's kind of hypocritical because well you wanted vanilla somebody else wants cataclysm Even though you might not want cataclysm somebody else wants it So it's weird to not be like supportive of that So long as it doesn't really take away from your game, which it's seemingly not taking away from your game I I think it's uh, I think it's just a very odd thing to do Carousel is my favorite for a while, but now that I think it's firelands The funny thing about firelands too is I had kind of just gotten I changed positions at blizzard when I came out and I was working a night shift So I couldn't do her rowing. I did her rowing later, but I didn't do it It was curry and some super jazz. I did some of it I didn't do all of it. I never killed Ragnarost on this card So I'm super jazzed to go back and actually do that How the lockouts work with the 10 minutes and 25 minutes sharing a lockout and then same love eye level loot Are you guys gonna mess with that at all? Are you thinking about keeping that the same? I mean probably not like well, I think it's likely that we'll make some adjustments I don't know. I don't want to speak out of turn. I don't want to make a promise Honestly, I think we're still gonna probably just be evaluating that like one of the problems Or one of the challenges I let's say with with cataclysm was that You know, there wasn't a good very good incentive to be in a 25 player guild when you could kind of just go do the same thing 10 but on the same No, some encounters are way harder on 10 Super hard and others are a lot easier So, um, I think that that might be a kind of a differentiator that that might make keep people in that 25 player You know, if it depends on your guild too, we really like the idea of being flexible that if you know, if you do have a smaller guild Uh, you know letting you kind of keep rolling with that smaller guild See if this seems to make sense and what you know, you want to talk about guild improvements too We do plan on making some adjustments to the guild progression system because Uh, initially when cataclysm launched the guild progression system, I remember this, you know, the guild rewards Very much rewarded big mega guilds. Yeah, so what I what I saw personally and I think what a lot of other people saw was their cute little mom and pop type guilds Ended up kind of dispersing as we were like, hey Really want to collect those sweet sweet rewards and then when you know join mega guilds Yeah, kind of large and wieldy when the purpose of people like getting together to play is just for those rewards Like it got a little bit like cold and being personal Or on the other side of it too, like you're my guild Eventually broke up but but we kept inviting just randoms just to get yeah They did I remember that was a huge thing in cataclysm a little bit and so that's a huge thing We just want to steer away from that. So we really want to enable those mom and pop guilds to continue That's a good idea or start to exist But we're just gonna have to really take a look at the reward structure what we did in Uh, next ramus whenever we went and and added the 25 player leads to 10 man As we made the 25 25 player version drop an extra item Yeah, so that might be something that's on on on the end of cards Okay, a little bit more incentive to actually do a larger rate, but you keep the eye level pretty much the same I don't think I don't think there'd be any adjustments there, but honestly it could still change We're still kind of valuing the design there What about the talent structure? I think I know one company was you're locked into one Like you can't hybrid that it took out the ability to go hybrid man. I dude I hated Hated the class design in kata and I know I'm not I'm certainly not in the majority here. It might be close on like the people that liked it and the people that didn't like it but man That was such a killer for me, dude I like the fact that you locked into a spec The fact that you locked into a spec and you played the spec and you stopped playing the class So this is ironically enough kevin jordan the original Lead for class design in wow. He was in charge from from vanilla burning crusade and wrath He left in kata And then they they redid the whole thing right and they they threw it out the window because you can see it. There's a very like It's a very clear thing that in vanilla and and burning crusade and then into wrath you play the class Like if i'm playing a paladin Whatever spec i'm playing it feels like i'm playing a paladin And and you use abilities While you're playing the game from your the entirety of your kit But if you're playing in cataclysm like there's some abilities that just like go away You know like there's just some things you just don't have i don't remember what what heal it was I think you lose one of the heels if you go retribution I you either got you either lost holy light or you lost flash of lights Yeah, you would lose holy light you you didn't have auras anymore They they got rid of mana and you now had like a holy power system, which is basically combo points You now had combo points Uh in plate with a two hander And like you had a word of glory that you can use to offheal So there were like some cool ideas But what ended up happening was it's cataclysm was whenever a lot of the classes started to feel the same because There was a big emphasis. I believe on esports And people were trying super hard to make wow into an esport Come cataclysm mlg was popping off wow was the biggest game in the world Wow was a cultural phenomenon around this time like around burning crusade going into wrath Wow was a a just On top wow was fortnight in 2017 2018 Do you guys remember how actually I think it was like 2018 you guys remember how big fortnight was in 2018? That's what wow was in 2007 2008 2009 It was all over the news I remember at one point athene was on fox news And i'm like I was like I was blown away whenever I saw athene on tv I was blown away They wanted to focus on esports because esports was also popping off And in order to do that they needed to give everybody a heal Everybody some everybody some form of sustain right remember warriors you would I remember stunning warriors They would have second wind and their health would go up Out of the stun they would have more health You know rogue recoup finish and they would heal themselves while vanished to full health For more than I could heal myself as a paladin I remember rogues out healing me head on absolutely insane where you needed to get that last point In order to get into a next tree You watched fox news. Okay. Look is hassan live like come on. This isn't a political thing It's like I saw the dude on tv. I was like in high school or whatever You know, I don't give a shit about that's like come on. Some people are so like a major talent overhaul but Actually by the end of cataclysm cataclysm hadn't had a ride right of class talents and in class design But by the end of it for the most part a lot of classes ended up in a very good place And so there's there's a risk of doing more damage than good. I play warlocks. I'm happy. Yeah Like I mean paladins like honestly all my main classes are really good That's the best thing about cat is a lot of classes are good. They're it's not like Warriors only in classic or you know warlocks and hundreds and tbc like this is Like a big broad like I mean I know people ask me all the time. What's good. I mean, I mean like six classes I'm like they're just so it's kind of like we have like a weird situation where it's like the system itself is like Maybe if we could change it we could but it's like we don't want to do damage till it works Right, so I think a lot of what we're going to do like we made very tactical changes to classes and and wrath and You know, we learned some lessons there too But I think we're we're going to look at it and try and make as few sort of tactical adjustments as possible But any kind of major system overhaul probably not Okay, I don't want to do more harm that makes sense. I mean to be fair that does make sense Uh, I mean, I don't I don't think they should change it. It's just that's just what the game is That is just what cataclysm is and I don't think they should change it Um, I it's just not that's just not my thing, right? But uh, but yeah, man. I mean this there's definitely like a huge, um There's a big emphasis on balance and man, let me tell you balance is boring They're like, I remember the when you played a dps as a rep paladin. You were now a dps So because you were a dps They're like, oh, but you're still a paladin. You can still heal other people Rogue can recoup and they can heal themselves warrior can second wind and they can heal themselves But they can't heal other people. So how they did the balance of that is like, well, you can still flash of light You can flash the light yourself and you can flash the light somebody else So because you can flash of light more than one person That's not fair if you can heal for the same amount as like a warrior who can only heal himself So you can heal less and it didn't make any sense. So now I was getting out healed By by roaks. I was getting out healed. I was insane, right? I was insane So that's that's that was like one of my my big beefs with cataclasic Um, this cataclasic portion is almost over. So so let's keep watching. This is super random, but um, You know how's the a and z is phase two would be like a phase two Because then to begin it, would you ever like just I think the way we're going to handle za. I want to say I want I couldn't I couldn't follow that question System overhaul problem. This is super random, but um, You know how's the a and z is phase two would be like a phase two Because then to begin it, would you ever like just I think the way we're going to handle z a and z g I don't know if you've talked about this, but we're doing it. I guess, uh I think what we're doing is z a and z g is we'll probably do it like an interstitial Like half phase like we might not do a full patch for it Oh, yeah, you know the launch and then you know bashing trial all those raids and stuff And then some midpoint between that and and firelands. We'll just release them. I like that That's always big because I was like a whole phase. Yeah, no, it's not gonna be a whole phase. Yeah That's good. A lot of people are gonna like that. We're spacing it out by radio, but that would be like a midpoint, right? You mentioned a sofa hardcore. You said the sss coming. Yeah, that's gonna be cool SF okay, true. Is it um Like on the same server is it gonna be a different server? You mentioned a sofa hardcore. You said the sss coming. Yeah, that's gonna be cool SF okay, true. Is it um Like on the same I think it's interesting that they don't want to call it solo cell phone It's called cell phone like with the people we're playing with now because they don't want to they don't want to promote people Like feeling like they have to play solo It'll be like a checkbox a button for you to press that will basically Enable cell phone mode for that character. That's dope. Uh, so from character So you can still do dungeons and stuff like that mailbox training option house And at any point you can you know remove those restrictions if you're like a This isn't for me, but you can't you know re-enable it Well, you can take it it off at some point Like you just but the the way it'll work is you'll never be like shit No, we'll be able to put it back and it's gonna key off of the solo iron system that you know Uh Okay, so I talked about this before I talked I literally if you guys remember If you guys were watching I talked about this on stream They literally should use the solo of iron system and they should just put that I actually was surprised they didn't put it in hardcore And you go you you do you get the buff you have the solo of iron and that solo of iron basically makes you self found So i'm really glad that's the way they're doing it because it's it's already in the game It's it's built in it's super streamlined players have done it before huge Yeah, I mean I was like it's already there So like just it shouldn't be like a checkbox whenever you create your character It should be something that you have in game and just do a system that's already in place And it was in in season of mastery Whenever season master came out And if you ever take it off that then you just lose it But if you get to 60 you get the little badge up there that says I made it to 60 Yeah, um, and we're we're kind of we're investigating some things to to make it a little bit more interesting I don't want to say too much right now. We're gonna talk about more in the next probably a few weeks and months As we get closer to the launch, but uh, we got a couple little hidden tricks up our sleeve to make That's exciting. Yeah a lot a lot of us are like or we're looking forward to that. How about that, uh In democrat tournament you guys like that. Was that magical to watch? Do you guys plan to do any like advanced or you kind of leave it up to the community like that to I know you sponsor. I know you guys are partnered with them You know, and I think we're we're open. I mean, this is this is kind of actually outside of our department is the developers We don't do event planning or anything But like I know that for for for my part I would love to see more of that thing more partnerships like that So I'm hoping I'm hoping we can do more. I'm hoping the community wants to do more wants to see more I think I think we probably have a pretty good idea that they do That was the most watched wow event ever. Yeah, that was crazy And it was super I was flying around on a gm account watching it and it was great. It was awesome. No, dude, they were One more dude, I had I swear. I think I had like almost everybody on the team I had almost everybody on the team come up to me or or tips at some point at blizzcon And and just dude the my garage turner was amazing. Like thank you guys and I got felt really good, dude It felt really good to to make content and do something that like The people that make the game are proud of watching Like think about that for a second that felt so damn good The most viewed event ever The most viewed tournament in history of wow was a classic wow event that was spawned Really because of hardcore servers coming out And then going into the code and just changing the the dual dual ending at one health to dual ending at zero health Like literally you change one line of code mock garon instead of slush You know, it's like that's basically what it is and it and it enabled the biggest tournament ever insane insane, dude The the because because we heard it was no race of the world first I think peaked at 280 Yeah, it peaked at 280 and I don't remember which race it was one of the races peaked at 280 Highest viewed and then this one was like 300 something. I don't know if it's like 308 or whatever But yeah, that was sick. Did you catch what he said about the GM account? Yeah, he was uh He told he told me that earlier, too. He's like yeah, I was flying around watching the thing like all day so About hardcore Is what you actually this is a good question the 100k prize had nothing to do with it kappa If the prize money is higher, does it make it more interesting to watch? For you guys For me, it's no Actually, like for me like the I don't maybe I'm wrong Like because I'm like I'm looking at the content But but I think I think that maybe for most people It does people are more sweaty for more money. So it's better Maybe there's like a threshold the more money's on the line the more anticipation. Yeah, maybe oh, this is a good point The money is what built the hype for the players And the players hype made more viewers hyped. I like that That that okay that that makes a lot of sense actually Because I was trying to like piece it together. I think you're right But I do think there's a threshold right like like even if the tournament was like 50 000 I think even if we did 50k it would have been really good Or if you guys talked about a fresher like ever like having a new fresh on it or is it like going to be that server for You know, whatever Not really something we've considered doing like I mean Again with the never say never think but like, you know, for the most part we think it's Not quite as impactful as say just any other classic fresh Yeah, it's also to we don't like there's you know People who played classic wow for a while. There's this there's always a call for fresh fresh fresh And some of those things that's like we don't want to get in the habit of Kind of almost setting an expectation that you're we're going to let a server run for six months and then basically You have to do a fresh and so it's like people like persistence too. There's a there's a contingent That's like I just want to I just love the first three months of the server, right? And I think for those folks like there's a little bit of a distance makes the heart grow fonder thing It's like if we do it every three or four months, then at a certain point it's gonna That's probably going to get a little stale, right? So it's like, let's let let it breathe for a minute. Let it let it see where it goes We're going to see it. It's going to be interesting to see kind of the impact that injecting cell found in the mix has And like I said, we got a couple of sprites for that that we might You know, that's exciting. So Yeah Um How about alfar and kata you're gonna let it in How what was the talk to an alfar? That's kind of something we're still discussing internally because Yeah, we're aware of there being potential for the dynamic where Players kind of just queue for alfar and it may be deteriorate some of that, you know Community feel of having to be part of the guild a part of the group to experience that content But we are still actively discussing it behind closed doors We do want to hear feedback from the community and you know, what do players want? What do they want to see? Yeah, I'm I I don't like alfar I've never liked alfar. I don't even like looking for dungeon to be honest with you Uh, I know I know there's people out there that disagree with me But I I really think alfar is like a bad idea for the game I think you're that's you're starting to add more and more difficulties and you're starting to really spread out the It it breaks up the power creep in the game Um But uh, well, I don't know. I don't wait. This is coming up while they're talking about hardcore, right? Oh, maybe did I miss hear this? Let me let me let me go back to that question. Let me let me listen to this one more time. Sorry because because Yeah, we're we're a way Um, I want to listen to the sound of alfar and kata you're gonna let it in How what was the talk to an alfar? Okay, okay Yeah, I know it was just it was just a little bit disorganized a little bit. That's all uh, I was like confused. I was like, wait are they talking about alfar and like uh My bad. Sorry. Like why would they ever do that? Okay? Um, no, yeah, I'm not a big fan of alfar Again, even though I might not actively playing cataclysm. I think something like alfar is bad because you're now adding like different difficulties for um For This is a problem in retail. I'm gonna talk about the retail problem Whenever you have like alfar normal heroic mythic raids You now have four different levels where you need to have a separation of uh power that you get from uh, or like a differentiation between the the type of gear that you get from each raid And one of that happens you end up building more and more power creep So you end up having like four tiers in one tier when it comes to looking at it from a power creep perspective And that's why retail wow you have this problem of um Each patch plays like it's in its entire own expansion where they add in some new systems Yeah, you know the the low end gear versus the mythic gear is There's a massive difference in item level. You end up having a whole patch is worth of power creep and features not features, but like Um issues a whole expansion is worth of issues in one patch. Yeah, that's the thing. I don't like So yeah, that's in general. I just don't like alfar. I took plus or I guess seasons of discovery I think the biggest Question change I've done the demo so many times now, but that is yeah, we sped around with that. Yeah, you know, it did um Where'd the room idea come from the room system? What made what like Yeah, I guess that started that word that come from. What was the idea of that? I feel like I'm hogging the mic here I think it was more I was I was about to start throwing out names and I was like, I shouldn't do that. Um, but I think I really do think like In general we got together as a team. There's been a lot. There was lots of brainstorming There was lots of like, what should this system look like? How do we want players to interact with these these? Abilities changing abilities, right? Okay. So now they're getting into the season of discovery stuff So, uh this interview with cricks by the way So this this interview is with uh with with aggrand and uh, norah From the classic team cricks is doing this interview and he's talking about season of discovery People have been saying that uh, this is this is really good as fan. Check out this video. Cricks had this great interview So shout out to cricks for for doing this. We uh, we got to see him at blizzcon a little bit and uh, actually cricks Cricks cricks was the guy that tripped over the the light in the meet and greet if you guys don't know who cricks is He was walking around the meet and greet. He tripped over the light It's so funny, dude. He's like, it was just that was hilarious. Oh cricks is here It's so funny. Oh, it's so funny cricks. Okay Yeah, it was a big light dude. That was a big ass light. Okay, so Uh, anyway, let's let's keep watching. Let's let's try it over here. I think the biggest Question chains. I've done the demo so many times now, but that is yeah, we spent around it. Yeah, you know, it did um Where'd the room idea come from the room system? What made what like Yeah, I guess that started that word that come from what's the idea of that? I feel like I'm hogging the mic here Her voice is gone. She's probably Yeah, really. Yeah, I was I was about to start throwing out names and I was like, I shouldn't do that. Um, but I think I really do think like In general we got together as a team. There's been what there was lots of brainstorming There was lots of like what should this system look like? How do we want players to interact with these these Abilities these class changing abilities, right? Do we want them to be like pot swallowing like you can just change them at any time? Learn them like a book of spells, you know Or do we want them to be like On use it's used up or something like that and we went this basically the spells route, right? So you can at any time swap your abilities out come up with some interesting builds Um, we decided to add Quite a few runes, you know, yeah all the rings per class It started out way more too before we kind of trimmed down Is it 12 per class period or is there going to be Just in the one Those are my runes. Yeah, I feel like this thing is gonna get blown away the hell out of how to just Just gonna get way out of hand I I mean, obviously they were gonna have more runes as you level up, but They're gonna have to prune this as time goes on Wait, maybe that's the plan. Maybe they're planning on doing that. I am I am full send by the way I am full send committed To to the belief that season of discovery is the classic plus beta And then they're going to full release it like a year later where it's like a fresh season of discovery from 1 to 60 I'm just that is that is my reality in my head and I'm just gonna act like that's the fact Boom. Yeah So maybe what's happening is they're just adding a bunch of abilities Throughout the the the course of like 1 to 25 26 to 40, whatever right, whatever. I don't remember the exact level ranges again, but Maybe they're just kind of throw a bunch of them out there see what sticks prune them down And then you might have like 12 from 1 to 25 But you know, and then maybe you have like 20 total by the time you get like 35 or whatever, but then Once they cut everything down, maybe there's going to be like Only like 20 to 30. Maybe they'll be like 25 or 24 or something I don't know. I'm just I'm throwing random numbers out there, but maybe that's what they're doing Maybe they're just it's that kind of that shotgun Throw everything at the wall see what sticks and then then fix it rebalance it and really Utilize the information that they get from season of discovery to make classic plus. So anyway continue Dude, can you can so in the example of like my metamorphosis rune was in my glove slot Is that always going to be the glove slot or can you put the road into your pants slot or work? I mean unless some like rebalance happens at this point, which we would try really hard to avoid that So the plan is for that to be done To kind of build on that like a little bit of deep lore For for sort of the season is we have been talking about sort of the a general idea of this season since Literally wow classic beta the 20 that's crazy. Like I remember being in a room with folks And we had like we're watching on it was before the pandemic and we're together in the in the classic pit You know the bullpen or whatever and we had it on tv. We're watching like I think it was a dueling thing that s-band was doing It was so fun to watch them just pull all the stops out and just wacky Yes Yes, so fun to watch and we really love that Yes, I started working backwards from that idea Well those after season of mastery came out. We're like, what what do we want to do next? We knew we want to do something a lot deeper than season of mastery We started kind of working backwards from that idea It was like well, it would be really cool to have these level breaks But what are you going to do during that and one of the things is like what if like there's like almost And and the idea was actually like Hey, why don't we just make these like new Classibilities and stuff item set bonuses or something and it's like well That's cool. But it's like What if they don't drop like what if you know There's there's a lot of things with that like that kind of gate keep some of the coolest stuff that you might do Behind like you got to get lucky to get a bunch of gold or whatever And so that's like well, why don't we just have the room be something that's discoverable Like those discoveries and so that's kind of like The genesis of it, but it's almost something we've been talking about for so many years now Sort of evolved that you know, once we actually started working on it We have a pretty good idea of kind of think what we wanted to do and we just kind of And the thing I said in the panel being excited for players to venture forth and discover them on their own like I mean that because some of them are actually quite funny Are they gonna be harder to find or like can you an example of what it's like finding like Is it like you went to the gold shower in and there's like a box and it's there or something Some of them are that simple. Yeah. Oh really? Okay. Someone else asked us interesting just like quest or something And I was like maybe maybe some of them are newly added quest that weren't there before in the game However, most of them are things like uh, I've discovered this object in the world Let me interact with it. Oh, it tells me some kind of story and it gives me hints of where to go Maybe look for the next clue, right? So that's dope. So it's actually quite Almost because we went into it. No, okay. It's all gonna be data mined eventually, right? And players were gonna solve these and probably make an add-on for it or something But we also realized that like even if data mining occurred like if players don't go and venture out And like actually solve the riddles Probably not gonna piece it together just by looking at the game files alone Is it like random like using a metaglyph? Is that metaglyph found or metarune found Everywhere in the world that way Yeah Because that's just a simple example I'll go ahead and say that that room in particular is one that there's there's Lots of categories of how they're discoverable and that particular one is one that is part of kind of a chain. It's like Yeah, yeah, that's I can't even explain to you how I felt when I sat down And then logged in and solved that that discovery isn't going to be going and looting a chest There's a lot if you had a night span multiple zones. There's a lot to it's gonna be it's gonna be a minute So the good the good runes you make them work for it. Yeah, you yeah for sure That's gonna be good as subjective, right? But like the ones that are like impressive like visually impressive or or really iconic Those are the things that you might have to work for okay It's it's it's different some some are chests some are you find an npc You speak to them and they may have a special interaction and they have you do a thing Like some of them are a traditional classic really it's very very and there's hundreds and hundreds of them in the one through 25 Because there's so many different starting zones that we had to duplicate the runes But we didn't necessarily duplicate the discovery method So some some zones have their own flavorful discovery methods that are flavorful to that zone and classes Oh, okay You can there's like you get the room and your bag use it now. It's a room Can you Is it can you I don't know why it matter. They're not you can't trade them or nothing, right? So you're alive only gonna find a warlock one so I can't go find the mage one, right? Okay. Yeah, that's good Some of the discoveries. Yeah, that'll be that'll be kind of shitty I want to clarify this because I think I know what he was talking about blue blender. He said good is not subjective Uh, I think what he said good is subjective. He meant like uh, How how effective or how good a specific rune is? um, it's subjective To to whatever situation you're using it in right? It's good in in this situation. It's good in that situation Uh, that that's what he meant by good is subjective. I believe Do you have a cross cross class element? Like You know, I don't think it's too spoiler-y at least in the context of what they're talking about So it's not like a man where you find a you know a single target a we A dead character and you have to do like a ritual of like send their soul for the shadow lads, right? You need two healers for that, right? But like oh either healer could get their own class group Oh, that's yeah. Well, that's gonna be exciting. It's gonna be fun. This is like a little easter eggs when around time There's tons of there's a lot of stuff like that. It gives you like excuses to interact with other people too. Yeah Totally and you're gonna see a lot of people shouting. It's like hey, I found this thing I don't know what to do is anybody know and it's like it's like I know it's like Oh, I need a buddy for that. Can you come and help me with it? Like that's that's that's the intent That's the exciting part is people are saying like if it's cat the 25 that's gonna take is it like you didn't change Are you changing the experience game from one to five? It's just whatever it is right now So that's like super fast And I'm like yeah, but now you can go run around everywhere and find all your your rooms Dude, you know the way we kind of built it too is like, you know what I can't wait for man I cannot wait when let's call back to level 30 classic beta may 2019 june 2019 Do you guys remember when we did like scarlet monastery and we like that whenever me and asman I think it was me asman stay safe Ah, damn. Who was in that group? We we did we did Scarlet we did we did sm armory As many group we did sm armory. We killed the herit at level 30 We had five level 30s in the group and we killed herit That was probably a legitimate world first That was because there's that that has probably never been done before because there's no reason for it to have ever been done before Why would you ever run armory with five level 30s? We had fishing poles and we were doing all we were popping potions and So Here's the big challenge Level 25 cap Do we go to no more gone trying clear no more gone at level 35 Or 25, excuse me. I said I said 25. I said 35 at 25. That would be sick Now here's the question. What if no more gone is now a raid and it's locked? Who knows you have razor fin crawl You could do sm library Like that'll be hype dude being level 25 imagine imagine we run it back, dude Me asmen whoever right we get together and we're like, yo, let's try and do this shit, dude Let's try and do this really high level thing that we should not be able to do That's going to be sick man That's going to be I can't wait man. We're we're going to hit it We we talked to the panel about there's like a tutorial room, right? Honestly, if you find nothing but that tutorial room from until you hit 25 You're still going to be kind of pumping like like the first powder room I showed was crusader. Yeah, that's crazy I mean that alone like huge huge change to the power level If you found nothing else until you hit 25 you'd be jamming Yeah, and most other classes are like that the crowd cheered so loud when I said crusader strike I knew they'd cheer but I didn't expect that and in the first one to taunt right into it. It was like the powdows are going crazy. Yeah You find them pretty easy level and I'll just level out and find some runes Maybe I'll find meadow right away. Just like a drop of there for me around the ground right there She's like check the dirt ground pile right there Some of them were pretty though. They're on the critical path. It's some of them are a little off the beat Okay, okay about the demo tanking. Is that is was your thought like can you maintain because a demo? Are you or is it supposed to be on par with like a warrior tank powder and tank feral jude? The good question very good question off tank you're helping. This actually kind of affects my opinion Easily, but like I don't you know in the gear. It should be able to contend with other tanks. So it's a tank It's like this is gonna be a main tank. I think if you've noticed playing the demo enough to like you play a board You know if you're having a shaman tank bear in qualms, you might have a bad time We're not gonna have enough man right where because shamans they could get a lot of their like their manner region Yeah, it's blocking right so, you know, you got a heavy physical fight. They're your guy But for something like You can hit him from range or steering pain. You're good. You're chilling. Yeah, even if you get knocked out You're still gonna hold aggro. So that's that's that's one of the things that that we thought was cool Like still letting them keep some unique flavor, but they're still and that's that's all classic is right like That's an interesting way to look at it for something a bear is good for something else You know a bear could really pump threat with like a mcp Macmanual crowd pummeler and like a warrior is just really good at you know Just massive sustained threat over time or massive rick tanking if you really need to like Strikes and stuff like that, right? So like that so What if you have what if you have a warlock tank on ragnaros and you're tanking from range It means a fire. Yeah, but is all of his damage is all the warlock damage fire And a searing pain is like a high threat ability, but we don't know I who knows at level 60 What if they have a shadow threat threat gainer mainly fire? Yeah, but I'm at level 25 cricks What I'm saying is like at level 60 shadow bolt becomes like a shadow cleave. Okay. Oh, so the shadow cleave is melee I mean, we don't know like we don't we don't know if they're gonna add new abilities or there's like a range ability that You see what I'm saying Because because all we know is at level 25 all the warlock spells are Everything that we've seen is at level 25 things could change Emulation aura would be sick. Oh my gosh, dude emulation aura. That'd be I feel like warlocks are just gonna be aides and vanilla, dude So my personal opinion Is that uh, I think warlocks should be situational tanks I think shamans should be situational tanks and uh, they kind of described Them as that but then norah said well because cricks asked like yo, can I main tank as a as a warlock and norah's like Well, you should be on par with other tanks. What does that really mean? I feel like I feel like it would be Uh, good design to have Uh, to have them like be particularly good at tanking certain types of things But there they are situational tanks like uh, I think an enhanced shaman Should be on the same level of like what a maybe slightly better than than Uh, the same level at where a prop paladin is right now in vanilla because prop paladins and vanilla are better than people think They are but they have their problems right namely no taunt um, there's problems with like shield block values and Uncrushability and stuff like that too some some little stuff um little stuff, but Yeah numbers, um I feel like that's where shaman should be plus a little bit more And I feel like warlocks should be on par with shamans That's that's how uh, that's that's how I feel um because if all of a sudden you have like five I mean six Well, shaman's and paladins are they're they're exclusive. So if you have five like main tank type of Uh level of of tanks it just seems kind of weird right like everybody needs to have their own certain flavor things They excel at that's that class fantasy. That's that That's that specialty of what makes classic feel like classic is whenever everybody is good at certain things And I and I worry about this. I talked about it in the other video Uh that if you give everybody too much and everybody's too good at everything then you you stop feeling special um I'm a big believer. I'm a big believer in this People look at weaknesses of their classes as a weakness When in reality you need to not look at your class you need to you need to take one step You know you remove yourself one degree and look at all the classes together And the weaknesses of all the individual classes are not weaknesses of those classes It look at the uh, it makes the other things that you do better Like look at it almost like glass half full and then it's like well This is the baseline right don't look at it as a weakness. That's the baseline And that's and the other thing is a strength and those strengths are what make your class special Right, this guy is not that good at this, but then this guy is really good at this right paladins are really good aoe tanks Consecrate Uh return damage on the shield block all that stuff warriors really good single target tanks by design right Now you can do some things that to aoe tank as a warrior and you're just fine But like by design they're meant to be like the single target tank and uh I think I think that is good. I think I think those specialties are good design when you remove yourself Like don't look at just one class but look at it one step above um So, yeah Are you guys a lot of people are questioning it? Are you guys Worried or thinking about level 60 the raids at 60 with the runes with the raids already being like really really easy Without the system and now that's going to make even everybody more powerful Is there like a buff to them or something one thing we are doing like to the open more than general even is uh, we're Increasing the damage output of mobs such that like at least you should feel threatened You shouldn't be able to oh, that's huge classic and be able to just tank that is that has been a huge huge point We initially talked about like well should we increase everything's hp as well? And I was like well, we also don't want stuff to be like just sitting there You wanted to be more punishing rather than like just beating your head. I like that that's really the thing about vanilla too is it's like it's not necessarily that Stuff has a ton of health. It's just I'm just going to interrupt real quick That was a point that I was really worried about is is are we just going to be so strong that the whole world is like You're going to have to rebalance the entirety of the game if everybody is doing all this much damage You are going to have to rebalance the entirety of the game The things hit you hard and if you pull too many you're going to die And that's I mean that's you know that from hardcore. I know that every year So so that was really the focus is like let's just make things more deadly So that you're still I love that I I love that they've addressed that five things. You're just going to die Do you are you going to do plan to change anything about the 60 raids like uh Mechanically wise or anything or it's like mc of mc honestly kind of too soon to say I think it would be pretty surprising if we didn't make some adjustments, but it's just too soon to say Yeah, next bear. So what's the I think they should make some small changes Not huge stuff and then it's going to be like 35 or 40 is going to or you're going to do a couple before 60 I take it right We're being coy But you said it'd be a month, right No, it will be some number of weeks. We're trying to be unspecific about that Probably more than a month. It makes sense that they don't want to commit three or four months. It'll be it'll be it'll be a It'll be enough time for you to dig in make sure you can find all the rooms Make sure you can do the raid get your best in slot from the raid if you want to get it You know, there's some discoveries that take you into the raid and things like that Make sure that you have the ability to do all that I'm more worried if there's if it's a couple months unless you add more to it if it's just bft, right? It's going to be bft. There's the one raid in that one bracket There's there's something to like if we Too far in advance if we decide hard dates on things and just say okay, this is going to be out for this long We really run the risk of too short or too long, right? And so we're trying to be really flexible, especially with given our team size Pivot relatively quickly. So that's why we're always like ear to the ground, you know trying to figure out like yeah, that's sick Okay, last great question Are they all going to spend man during these brackets? Not sure yet, honestly This is one of the cool things about kind of the power of good question by the way Wow, actually we've got very robust tools that we've built up over decades, right? And it's not terribly difficult to kind of turn the knob and say like oh, yeah, let's start working on this as a as a 10 player It's like, you know what this would feel better. It's 20. Let's just yeah Yeah, I was literally gonna say it would be cool to like imagine you do like I don't know Cathedral or sorry not cathedral. Let's call it monastery is like a 20 man or like Or no, we're gone as a 20 man, right? That could be cool. You know what I think they should do is I think they should bring back 15 man ubrs If you're an og vanilla player Ubrs used to be a 15 man and they they they nerfed it and they cut it down to 10 man So they should make ubrs 15 man again It would that was like that's my how I remember Ubrs is I remember it as a 15 man. I don't even remember it as a 10 man that well You know, uh, I would love to see them do that Uh, and I think uh I think doing like some things as 15 some things as 20 um To the idea of having 20 people running no we're gone is kind of sick Didn't you numbers up and it it works So, uh, obviously some mechanical changes and stuff, but yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say I think the thing we're looking for 20 man brd The nature well, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let's let's dial it back a little bit You don't want to change the entire game to turn everything into raids either. Okay Uh, and I don't know if there's a level designer on the classic team. So I don't know if they're going to make an extension of dungeons as raids. So What I mean by that is Uh, like the extension of the dungeon as a raid is brd to molten core, right? Like like A lot of these raids are that You know, like there's like the portal like black wing layer is like the extension of black rock spire Like you go into black black layer and there's a portal to black rock spire Excuse me. I said the words backwards You go into black rock spire and then there's a portal to black wing layer behind nephorian after you go and do rend, right? Black walk did I say black walk? Black walk. Okay. Um, I think I think that could be cool. Um I think that could be cool. Um I think I think uh, if they if they make like extensions, but I don't think they have a level designer On the team to build out a world because I was thinking about this too. Let's say they make a scarlet monastery raid Like I almost imagined like a like a castle nathria Sort of thing, but it's scarlet themed like just the the visual of it Like if I were to draw a concept art, I could imagine it being like very regal But it's instead of it being like vampires and stuff. It would be like paladins crusaders You know righteous, holy like it would be like a that's kind of what I imagine like the the the aesthetic of it being um But I I I don't know if they have level designers on classic themes Am I crazy? Isn't there an unused raid in stratholm? There is There's a raid portal and uh, I think the assumption was that raid portal was the portal to nex I think that's what the assumption has always been is that that raid portal that you go where all the zombies come out Right before you go kill baron That that's the portal to nex There's also a raid portal on storm one, which I believe was if I remember correctly It was meant to be player housing like it was like a it was like a stand-in for player housing So yeah, anyway continue let me go back a little bit to remind ourselves. What are you saying? As a 10 player, it's like, you know what this would feel better is 20. Let's just Crank some numbers up and it it works. So uh, obviously some mechanical changes and stuff But yeah, I mean that I wouldn't say I think the thing we're a little concerned about too is that the nature of season of discovery too is that you know, you may level to 25 Find all the rooms Level in altar too and maybe you want to just kind of take a break for a week or two Like we don't want to shackle you the game approachability and respecting your time is a big goal here So we don't also want to get in the situation. It's like what you need 40 people And if five people decide they want to take a break your raid is in trouble So uh, that was part of the reason for like during the level up process smaller raid sizes Kind of made sense Are the battlegrounds in at the first place? Or some goals will be are you gonna do like a the same thing where we'll be like a all level 25 one only or like How's the brackets gonna work with it? Dude season of discovery phase one level 19 twinks. Oh Level 19 twinks and season of discovery is gonna be crazy, dude And level 25 twinks it's gonna be both of them level 25 twinking new meta It's gonna be wild, dude. Anyway, the normal People won't be able to grind out rank 14 because we're still scaling based on your level How much honorable orders you can actually earn Yeah, that's cool. You won't be able to get past a certain point Um, and there's really good like I think we mentioned this in the panel that the Ashtendale pvp event gives worse on gold threat for reporting clients, right? Oh Good Maybe I'm misheard or I didn't hear that the panel. I didn't catch that great idea Those are the original Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what what sitting in and gives worse on gold threat for reporting clients, right? Yeah, and there's some pretty spicy rewards there I don't know if you noticed what the like on the vaude and stuff. It's hard to see. Yeah, but those mount models Those are the original Oh my gosh, dude. Oh, I'm gonna tell you guys I was so big on on them giving unarmored mounts Like unarmored epic mounts the og epic mounts And I talked to blizzard about it before classic launched and what they and I was like Why don't you guys make this a thing so that people like have something to push for because so so Let's let's dial it back a little bit in original vanilla wow whenever vanilla wow came out There were epic mounts that didn't have armor You know now like at level 60 the the epic mounts all have a bunch of armor and stuff on them They look really cool but they're also Were uh like I think it was before patch 1.3. I think it was before dire mall came out I can't remember. Um, it might have been 1 4 1 2, but I think it was like around 1.3 Where uh, they redid the models and they were like, oh We we added we're redoing the models, but we're actually not going to change the models We're just going to take the epic mounts that already exist Take them off the vendor and we're going to add new ones that look cooler So if you want to keep your old model if you want to keep your old mount you can So we didn't want to take that away from anybody and then you can get the new ones But what ended up happening is those og those og mounts those og unarmored epic mounts Ended up being a status symbol because they were unobtainable now And the the same they did the same thing on private servers where they were like, okay If you get your epic mount early in a fresh like let's say let's say in phase two for example You remove it But if you get that if you get that og unarmored epic mount you can keep it and then you can get the other one and I talked to blizzard about this beforehand and and uh, the consensus back then Was oh, well, we didn't we don't want to promote unhealthy gameplay to where like people this is like back then Where people feel like they have to rush to get an epic mount before dire mall comes out or before phase two comes out and I was like guys please please like and it's just like But uh Then this was like this was like four years ago, right because this happened and Like at the point where that where I was told this it was like it was already too late anyway But I was just like come on and and I feel like something now like it's cool that they're they're They're going back and they're they're doing this now. So We're they're allowing you to use the unarmored epic mounts In some form or fashion. So maybe what you'll see is is you can use that epic mount at level 60 I mean, this is how they're using it for season discovery But the fact that those models are in their head and they're like, hey, like let's let's find a way that people can ride These that's cool because I think they're gonna bring them back. Anyway, continue very cool And obviously they're only usable in ashenvale, but they're very very enticing rewards for that So we're hoping pvp picks off really well Yeah, well, I appreciate it. Thank you guys so much. Thanks. I hope I didn't annoy you guys with my millions of questions Thank you guys All right, you guys are amazing. Yeah, norah norin agra. They're great, man Crix did a great job as well. Good stuff, man huge huge shout out to Crix for for uh doing that interview putting that out whenever I had the opportunity to do that Years ago it was it was something that felt really special to me and And it felt cool that like blizzard was like starting to work with like content creators and stuff more and more and It's it's cool to see it's cool to see these guys get like the opportunities to do that and ask really good questions You know, that's that's how you keep getting the opportunity to do that is by asking good questions and Um being respectful and and all that kind of stuff, right? You can you can be direct and you can Have criticisms, but as long as you're respectful, I think you can usually get to uh get good opportunities through that kind of stuff So a big shout out to Crix. 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