 We have one people to eat a vegan. You know what a vegan is. Do you know what this is? Slaughtering animals. Yeah, is this gas chamber? Oh, this is your vegetarian. Oh Is there anything to do with dairy on here? Yeah, do you still consume dairy and eggs? So you consume milk from the cow Only cow because India doesn't have a vegan option. What animals do you eat in India? Cow? Don't eat chickens. No beef over there. They export the beef. Isn't it bizarre that they're considered holy, but they Send them all off to be murdered after they can't produce milk The dairy industry when they can't produce milk there they send off the cows to be killed So they export all the beef from India. India is one of the biggest exporters of beef and leather Because of the dairy industry there. So they kill them really young They cannot produce milk Yeah, the males are like a waste product in the milk industry. They just stay this useless Males females every year they're forcefully impregnated and have their calves taken away to keep the milk production flowing This here is australian, but uh, where are you from? From scotland. Okay. Process is the same. Do you know what a vegan is? It's like pure vegetarian No animal products. I was vegan for two months in India and then I got back into it because I didn't find any option then No, if you even get it's like What do you need milk for? Serial do you eat lots of cereal? Tea you can't get soya milk in india You're not a man, okay Do you know dairy products you think the hormones in soya milk is bad for men Not because of the Estrogen is that what it is? Okay. So when cows are pregnant they have hormones going through them estrogen Progestion a pregnant cow Actual hormones in plants. They have phytoestrogen plant hormones not the same as us Cows are mammals. We are mammals. They have the same hormones like we do So when males drink or females drink The hormones from the cow's milk, I'd be more worried about actual cow hormones than plant Estrogen. Yeah, like do you guys have kids? Do you have kids? Yeah. Yeah, nine month pregnancy They're inside their tummy for nine months and then when they're born get taken straight away from them I've been on a dairy farm when they do it. It's horrible The cycle repeats for a four to seven years until they can't produce milk anymore then they all go to the slaughterhouse Use them for their skin their flesh. This is a macerator So they're males as well. They don't produce eggs That's their first day of life Sometimes they don't actually put them in a macerator They just put them in a garbage bag and close it shut and suffocate them or they gas chamber them But yeah, Scotland's got macerators as well England, yeah, UK Not many activists will go in there and leave cameras in there, but yeah, the egg industry disposes of all the males But anyway, you guys would agree that it's wrong to harm animals if we don't need to If we don't need to survive like that and all the species are going You know a lot of species are going extinct 10,000 a year because of the actions of One species climate change also everything climate change. Yeah But like let's just look at it from the animals through the animals eyes I mean to have dairy they have to have their children taken from them because otherwise they would drink the milk So they have to be pregnant and the children get taken the boys are killed. They won't produce dairy And they all be killed the cows will be killed when they can't produce milk just so we can have a splash In our tea If you think about that, do you think it's justified for that? Yeah, these are gas chambers. They're for pigs. You don't eat pigs, but Cows usually they shoot them in the head and slash their throat open But yeah pigs gas chambers. They put them in a dungeon Big cage. It's like a big ferris wheel. They lower them down into gas They thrash and scream and some pigs rip their limbs off because they're trying to escape Do you have the app called happy cow? No, it's called happy cow And it shows you where all the vegan places are wherever you are on earth. It's called happy cow Yeah, so basically the reason we show the public stuff like this is because These industries rely on the consumer To be in business basically so we ask people to boycott these industries and go for plant-based alternatives We're trying to persuade The public because without your money these industries do not exist They rely on the consumer drinking the milk taking the eggs eating the flesh So with your with your money if you go, I'm going to buy chicken flesh or I'm going to buy vegan food And if enough people if we persuade enough people to buy vegan food slaughterhouses close Dairy industry shuts down. They don't have money So we rely on demand from the consumer and that's all this is us persuading the public to make more moral choices Yeah, billions and billions of sentient life Um, just being treated like products Exploited and killed use for their bodies and we just think it's completely unnecessary and cruel and it's not consistent with the good Yeah Not consistent with the good people most people are like most people are against animal abuse and you know They see animals as someone I didn't know I didn't know my whole life. It's by design. They don't show you because they're relying on you to buy their product That's uh, that shouldn't be shown Shouldn't be done. It should be shown to people. Yeah The egg industry shouldn't put a commercial up an advertisement Activists went in against Um, the law and left cameras in there to bring this footage out They're they're searing off their beaks with a hot iron because they can peck each other in confinement. So Um, they're searing their beaks off. They're any little babies first day of life the females basically they they grow them and then they sort of hold them against their will enslave them and then they lay eggs 300 a year They usually lay about 12 or 10 to 12 You know, so they're producing more eggs than they and then natural when they stop laying eggs At an efficient rate. They slaughter them for their bodies and we all go along and buy a chicken breast from An egg laying hen that's been in confinement their whole life or even if they were in some barn They are held against their will. They're not exhibiting natural behavior They're slaughtered as well. So I don't know if people seen the whole process Like I used to buy a package of flesh Just pick it up Season it put it on the grill Eat it with my vegetables and I didn't connect that piece of flesh to an animal to their life who they were Free range eggs Yeah, yeah, what you saw there that process happens across the board free range organic Um, free range makes the consumer feel better. It doesn't help animals It's a selling point for them and yeah, they might give them a little bit more space in the shed Free range hens are still kept in the shed. They all go to the slaughterhouse All the free range animals go to the slaughterhouse to be butchered. This is some stuff about the dairy industry. Dairy is scary Okay, um, the process is pretty much the same. India has mega dairies really huge ones And the process is forcible impregnation when they get pregnant. They take the calves away When they don't produce milk, they're killed slaughtered for their skin and their flesh If they don't slaughter them in India, they export them to be slaughtered Yeah, well like they use them for their organs their sex organs that they exploit female reproductive system They forcibly impregnate them Take their children kill their children and they suffer maternal trauma Uh, you see a dairy cow bellowing out. They um, they call it pining on the dairy farm. You can hear them all Pining out for their young After about the third time they stop fighting. They just go numb. They've lost their children that many times They don't expect to ever bear their own children. When you think about like gee like the dead birds and Dead like birds that have been killed Not birds. No, not chickens. Yeah, yeah, so they're birds. Yeah birds Um, when you eat their the bird they suffer and then be killed or even in the last moments They had their throat slashed open. Yeah, you're consuming violence, you know and the peaceful people consuming violence I don't know if that's helps us on a spiritual level This is more of a smaller slaughterhouse with the smallest slaughterhouses they you know stun and stab The bigger ones use a gas chamber for pigs In frog they have a massive gas chamber were there yesterday This here is um some info. This is challenge 22 if you've got facebook You can try a little plant-based vegan challenge For 22 days and see how you like it. I mean animals just suffering to death in their own blood they're struggling trying to breathe And we go along. I used to eat bacon sandwiches nearly every morning much better for your health to Yeah, you start thinking about Yeah, and heart disease is the number one killer of humans and saturated fat and cholesterol found in animal products Eggs and dairy and and Bacon not in our health as well. I mean it's not good for our health So something to consider but You seem like you're already mostly There anyway, you understand it a lot more than for two months Most human beings I believe good people. They're against animal cruelty against violence They don't want to see this happening, you know, but we consume it our blindfolds are on We consume it and we pay for it. Yeah, no one knows It's horrible. It's prolonged suffering you know The beef the beef cattle are killed after two years The dairy cows suffer maternal trauma for six or seven times having their children taken And then they're killed once they just there's nothing left of them. They're talking about mothers here I've only been vegan five years for 26 years I was eating all animals I was conditioned by the same culture. It was just normal for me. Yeah took me a little while But I was determined because it was it's against my values. This is against who I am I don't want to see this happen to innocent animals if I can avoid it It makes sense to avoid it if they were humans. I wouldn't want to be contributing to that. Yeah, so for me Yeah Thanks for your time. Take care brother. Thank you. Thank you. Take care No problems. Thanks for thanks for the discussion. That was a good one, dude