 But my actual question, which is sort of a comment which you can then respond to a continuation of an earlier discussion, but something I thought I just want to say out loud and get some feedback on is, you know, Deborah and Dan, you expressed that frustration about penetrating the culture and spreading the ideas and you're on one of your conclusions was that we first we need a moral revolution of replacement of the you know the code of morality before we can really see those changes. And in my own awakening when I read Atlas shrugged 10 years ago, and probably like a lot of people I thought wow I'm hearing somebody else say out loud, everything which I instinctively or subconsciously already thought and believed and like here it is game over like this is you know the answers right here. And then I was curious like what would a person be like who read this and rejected it. And, and I expected maybe just hear some emotional reasons. But I couldn't really anticipate hearing things based on on logic, and some of the things I ran into were things like, well that's true for you but something different is true for me, and then I go metaphysical so for me one plus one equals to but for someone else one plus one equals And another thing I heard was, well, you know, think you're more you have a very analytical personality, I know things instinctively or, you know, through my intuition, and then boom that's epistemology. So, and those two things you feed into ethics and morality, and there's not those aren't flashy topics metaphysics and epistemology the average person probably doesn't even have a solid working definition of, of what those terms are and it's hard to get harder to get people excited about those. So if you go into, you know, if you have a flawed, just kind of vague idea of those two things that you just got through as Moses, you know, through the culture and we're never really. They're not deliberate, you know, answers that you've arrived to on your own, then how do you even go into the business of a moral code, if you don't have that foundation at all. So, yeah, I mean, clearly if somebody really has bought into one plus one equals whatever I feel like. And there's no objective reality and there's no objective truth. It's going to be almost impossible to talk to them about pretty much anything most people don't really hold that they use that as a rationalization, when they don't want to do something like takes at least work seriously. And why they reject that was wrong. I think it's why they explain to themselves why they reject that was wrong. They reject that was wrong for emotional self esteem. You know, altruistic reasons but they can't really comprehend any of those, and they would be too destructive to self for them to comprehend them so they make up, if you will, they borrow from the environment Oh, anything goes one plus one equals see the metaphysics. And don't think you can change that attitude, the one plus one equals whatever I feel like by teaching them epistemology. I don't think that's the issue. I think the issue is that it's, they, they're evading because one plus one does not equal whatever they feel like and they know it, but they're evading that fact. So there's something about it's not a lack of knowledge it's a. It's an invasion. It's a lack of thinking it's a lack of respect for their own mind. It's a lack of respect for reality. And the culture supports that that's the evil that's going on in the world right now. The culture supports that the culture encourages that the culture promotes that said makes it okay for them to say these ridiculously stupid things. Whereas the healthy culture would say no, I mean, go back and think right that you don't, you don't have to teach them epistemology don't know one plus one equals to right just go back and and look at your fingers for a little while just contemplate your fingers. Right. And so it gets worse and worse and worse because the culture reinforces their evasions and and the intellectuals promote their evasions. So yes, we need a culture in which the right epistemology and metaphysics are taught. Particularly the right epistemology, because the right metaphysics is metaphysics is primarily is self evident actions that if you're not, if people don't know reality existence exist and they don't know anything. So it's, it's, but we need to teach them how to think, but not at the level one plus one equals to they should know that that's that's kindergarten stuff. But a culture that promotes that hoods them. Yeah. Yeah, I want to agree but doesn't I'm Rans you know thing about Kant being the dominant philosopher, you know he did not acknowledge those axioms that are self evident and that's kind of a circular definition of axioms being self evident. But, but if he is the dominant philosopher even if people aren't consciously aware of it in in today's environment and through the 20th century, then that's kind of how we have that faith mental foundation that's just built on sand. Absolutely so. Okay, so there's two levels of which this needs to happen right. There's the level of the intellectuals the philosophers the academics the intellectuals mobile. Those guys need to know epistemology. They need to study it. They need to figure it out and they need to apply it constantly and we need to change the universities in terms of the epistemology they have the average person does not need to learn epistemology and we should not be teaching them epistemology. We should just be teaching them math and science and not giving them the excuse. But the average person needs is more rally what they need is ethics. Right, but we need to change the intellectual environment. So when an average person wants to evade by saying, Yeah, one plus one who cares. Somebody slaps him right intellectually. You want to have the people. The people like me right, the public intellectuals. I'm not teaching a rational epistemology not teaching a rational epistemology. And the people above me and the hierarchy of of intellectuals right, knowing that epistemology and teaching it so that there's a constant flow such in the air, right. So people get a rational epistemology not by studying it but by studying rational fields rationally. So we need educators teaching based on a rational person. And that's how calm did it. It's not like people read cons. It's the philosophers read con and that perpetuated this into the culture in subtle ways, but morality can be morality is at the level where everybody can actually get it and needs to be Now, basically epistemology like one plus one equals to everybody should get and the fact that they're not getting it. It just means that they've got the some corrupt intellectuals giving them the freedom, not to get it. Freedom is not the right word but the license, not to get it. That makes sense. And in terms of the public intellectuals that reminds me of the, they're, you know, a hero to model that behavior it's just like there are no heroes in, you know, on Netflix shows or series or movies or this outside the novels of iron Rand to find in the form of art, something to model one self after display these, these virtues. Yeah, it's just, I just don't see it. Yeah. It's very rare. I mean, there are TV shows with heroes, but it is rare. It is rare. And, and they're not the ones to get all the critical acclaim. There's Mr sunshine. My favorite TV show. What we need today, what I call the new intellectual would be any man or woman who is willing to think. Meaning any man or woman who knows that man's life must be guided by reason by the intellect, not by feelings, wishes, women or mystic revelations. 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