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It's always o'clock at DTN And and then he'll roll the patreon intro then the theme music and then you guys are on your way Okay, so wait, wait, do you do I do intro and then he does that stuff and then we're back or Two clips one of them is the patreon intro and then it'll start with a DTN as theme song And then when you feel compelled in the DTN as theme song, you just jump right in loud and proud and go from there Done and then he'll play all the other Oh I was born selfie Somebody count this down. I'm gonna go hide under the desk. All right, let's go in three two Hi, I'm Howard co-executive producer for the Daily Tech News show Join me as a co-executive producer for only ten dollars a month in addition to the fancy business cards You will get that special feeling inside knowing that you are supporting the creation of quality content go to patreon.com Slash ace detect that's p a t r e o n dot com slash a c e Dt ect Oh for Friday August 21st 2015, I'm Darren kitchen and joining us today Sharon most As well as Justin Robert young dude dude epic to have you here and great to be back here back-to-back days on Dtns in the hack 5 studio living the dream and of course we couldn't forget our very own lend for all to making it Friday Yes Freshly freshly hair-cutted if that's a word and ready to ready to draw today's Wonderful story. I got a good one today. I feel really good about this. Oh, I'm feeling epic about today's show So Shannon you want to start us off with absolutely? I can do that Sorry, I haven't done this show in a while yesterday Daily Tech News show reported that Spotify updated its privacy Policy to allow the app to learn a whole lot more about its users like their GPS coordinates and who their contacts are and also Do you mind if we share that information with partners? Yeah shocker many Spotify users were upset and launched of a wave of Tweets threatening to cancel the service Spotify CEO Daniel Ek quickly Apologized in a blog post and explained if you don't want to share this kind of information You don't have to and Spotify will ask for your express permission Before accessing any of this data and will only use it for specific purposes that will allow you to customize your Spotify Experience Ek also explained that the partner sharing was not new and since some Spotify users sign up through their mobile carrier Some information sharing was necessary. He reassured users that information is transmitted to marketers and others as always Identified, you know how to de-identify yourself. How's that lie? Ah, that's the best way for your privacy A lot of Ronald McDonald signing up for Spotify service today. You know, it's good said Ronald loves his music You know what else he may love Sina is reporting the Samsung will give iPhone users a chance to test drive a new galaxy s 6 edge plus or a galaxy note 5 that's what I'll be getting with a free data plan for 30 days Now, of course this program is for iPhone users only and it works with us as the subscribers current wireless carrier So included in the box that Samsung delivers is actually a cool switch Cable that will allow you to move your photos and your apps and your music and all your stuff off your iPhone That's the new stuff and iPhone users who are interested in taking advantage of Samsung topper. Well, they can go and register Using their iPhones web browser at promo dot Samsung promotion comm the cost of the trial is one dollar They have to use the Android that or the Android they have to use the iPhone browser Which leads me to believe are they doing some user agent checking because that totally can't be hacked New Android powered phones will soon arrive with less Google bloatware according to Android central comm the rule change Means that Google play games Google play books Google plus Google newsstand Google earth and Google keep are no longer part of the mandatory package for installs of installs for phone makers who want to include the most popular apps like the Google play store or Jamel all the apps are still available for download in the Google play store Sadly this chain does not apply to carrier installed bloatware, which will continue to rain forever I just feel like protesting keep Google keep It's got to be like 50 kilobytes. Yeah You use But I've never used any of the other stuff except for Google Earth, but yeah, it's like do I use Google play Lobby your congressman Ars Technica has a bone to pick with the three windows 10 update updates that have been released so far each of the updates Has contained both security fixes and non security fixes So according to Ars Technica the security fixes have been really well described But descriptions of those non security fixes are a little bit thin So for example this update includes improvements to enhance the functionality of Windows 10 doesn't really tell much It doesn't do all that much to tell you what kind of update that you're actually getting and how they update that functionality a Microsoft Reproduce representative told the register that while the company may perform Additional promotion of new features depending on their significance. This is no intention of providing full release notes Well, I mean release notes. Don't you but but why read change logs when you could read makes it do better good But where where is there? Where is a consumer expectation to have full release notes because like you don't necessarily need it In okay, I thoroughly enjoy reading release notes What the takeaway here is this is the reason why it is not the year for Linux on the desktop yet Because we got all these fancy change logs that tell you even the line of code that changed when we could just say Ubuntu 16.08 thumbs up now with more better Poop down happiness up Reuters got a look at a Recent presentation intended for uber investors the ride chair and company has projected that it's global bookings will rise to 10.84 billion dollars this year. That's three times greater than last year's booking in 2016 bookings are projected to increase to twenty six point thirteen billion dollars uber currently operates in more than 50 countries and was last evaluated by investors at 50 billion dollars, so The most yes the most the most for a privately held company technology firm Worldwide kind of crazy. It's it's shocking a lot that it is built on the back of people Hating cab companies right like there was an industry there to solve this problem It had deployed worldwide and yet it was so squandered its promise And it was so mismanaged that uber is now a 50 billion dollar valuation So what has better quality a CD or an mp3? Let me do is variable. Okay, fine find your standard 128 kilobit three Yeah, right a CD has better quality. Yeah, which is more convenient the mp3 We will always vote for convenience indeed indeed ours technical reports that the national security agency is Advising us agencies and businesses to prepare for a time in the not too distant future When a current cryptography will be rendered obsolete by quantum computing Quantum computers computers have capabilities not found in current computers like the ability to instantly find prime That in prime factors in large numbers or to compute discrete logarithm mod primes and discrete logs over the Elliptic curves these are the mathematical computations used by current cryptography to secure data the NSA Updated their advisory suggesting users rely on the same regimen of algorithms and key sizes that have already been Recommended while officials figure out quantum computing secure crypto algorithms the advisory is significant because it signals the growing Recognition that quantum computing computing could soon represent a practical threat to us national security Indeed in fact this is why we must act fast today and start implementing backdoors in our current Cryptography so the NSA can save us because heaven forbid the terrorists get quantum computers to be okay of our own government did though I quit this is something that like is is legitimately kind of scary for as much as we should be very concerned about what our own Watchdogs are doing with quantum computing. This is also very scary to think of Iran having quantum computers This is actually really well What's even scarier is this is coming from the same? organization that decades ago was telling us not to use more than 40 bits of encryption Yeah, and now it's like oh everything's about to be broken in it might not be us. Yeah Yeah, so this is the the computer equivalent to like seeking out the a bomb Yeah, so whoever gets this first. Oh, man. You think this Ashley Madison stuff is bad now. Just wait Yes, remember if you get hacked by a quantum computer duck and cover under your desk. Yeah That right No, actually I'm gonna talk about this in gadget report the MIT and veiled a new 3d printing technology that uses get this transparent glass Instead of plastic. Yeah, forget that ABS or PLA. We're talking glass. The new method is called 3d GP I gave you three guesses for what that stands for the first you don't count and it allows the user to modulate light transmissions reflections and refraction Refraction quantities for qualities of the glass by varying the thickness of the print So this is probably not something that's going to show up at like any maker-fair thing anytime soon But it's most likely because it uses like a pair of chambers that heats them up to like 1900 degrees. I don't want this on your desk Anyway, the MIT team believes that the method could be eventually lead to better qualities or better Quality of and less expensive fiber optics, which would be good for everybody It seems like a little bit of a hack I have to like use a torch to manually operate the the crucible. I think it's called. Yeah Well, we've seen sugar being 3d printed into different models. It just stops there We could have I'd be extremely happy with that, but yeah glass It's very cool. What's next next is news from you Of course, you can go to the subreddit that is reddit dot or slash r slash daily tech news show So many people submit all of their stories that fill out the daily tech news rundown and these came directly from the reddit First off we have Yaniv oh five and star fury zeta who sent us the engadget report that chat roulette users I love this story Stumbled across a live streaming first-person shooter style game created by UK production team realm pictures So to play users talk the hero character through the scenes giving the guy commands like run run fat boy run Or go for the headshot or check what's in that pot? And the game was to replete with different sound effects and blood and guns including a rhino Turrets and a rocket launcher, which is amazing. I love that scene So the team released a making of video and said that they spent about $1,450 making the game the main actor wore a motorcycle helmet with a GoPro camera a light and a taradek HDMI transmitter So 30 extras from a nearby town also played zombies because you can't have a game without zombies You have to go see this so good and exceptional for for that amount of money right for under $2,000 to do what they did Yeah, that was great. The thing I was saying before the show was I saw it on Sebastian's monitor And I was looking over I was like wow that game footage he's looking looks really real, but it's not the textures It's not the vertexes. It's the frame rate It looked like that kind of letter in a 30 FPS, you know daytime TV show kind of yeah look and I was like, huh Maybe that's the ticket anyway looks epic. I want to do it. It was awesome. Check it out Yeah Also check out this from Captain Kipper who sent in news that Google has presented a paper at the association for computing Machineries SIGCOM 2015 conference in London detailing how it scales its networks and according to the Wall Street Journal The presentation outlines how Google's custom developed software to find networking architecture is Cheaper and less hands-on alternative to traditional networks and switches will providing more flexibility and scaling Software defined networking is a paradigm and computer networking that allows you to logically centralize the software program to control all of the Network behavior that basically think virtual machines like virtual box instead of having a stack of machines So that's like routing cables like Jordy LaForge did through the EPS opposed to actually Unplugging cat five cables. Yeah, yeah, I think I made that clear sounds good And finally SP Sheridan Senna some ho-hum no big deal news from space dot com turns out the physicist at the Autonomous University in Barcelona Spain have crafted something similar to a wormhole a wormhole as you know Was theorized in 1935 by Albert Einstein and Nathan Rosen as a bridge that could link two different points in space-time Essentially the scientists created a device that sends a magnetic field on a journey from one point in space to another point Through a path that is magnetically invisible study co-Arthur Jordy Pratt camps and Or said from a magnetic point of view this device acts as a wormhole as if the magnetic field was transferred through an extra Dimension no truth to the rumors that if you put your ear very close to the device you can hear Matthew McGonaghey yelling And weeping Yes, you got that joke just emailed Jenny directly Our producers apparently the only person making Interstellar and a wormhole connoisseur exactly all night. Oh, it's so good. I'm so happy this is happening in my life I'm and that's the headlines Speaking of Jenny you want to lead us in? Yes, I just muted my Thing so that I wouldn't respond snorkely about interstellar It's not a movie that's that a lot of you make jokes about but I'm sure people that got it are going to be delight Yes, so I just wanted to launch this discussion with one small little content warning Which is we are talking about Ashley Madison, which is a website based on adult things for adult people So this content warning is specifically for the super nice guy who writes us and tells us that he listens to daily Tech news show with his kid Please keep doing that on every day except for today and maybe put the earmuffs on like starting three two one right now Okay, here end of the content warning. It's like a tree of adults Adult tree a website. It is very very nice that the next generation of Technological enthusiasts and practitioners are listening to this very show. However, this is a story about Penises and vaginas And of course Darren's running trees in his command. They're just running tree. You'll look cool. Sorry All right, so so here's my question to to you guys because we were going to talk about this yesterday when I hosted the show And I said this is not for me and Andrew This is for Darren and Shannon and I want to get your guys's opinion and then I shoehorn myself into the show So I just you know, like hey, what's going on? It was just in the neighborhood, you know Okay Ashley Madison, this has been probably next to the Sony leaks Sony leaks level biggest You know in terms of press Target, maybe above a target leak level certainly a sexier target both in journalism headlines, but also short PM Exactly How big is this in terms of the size of the breach compared to other hacks like Sony target and opium Well in the in the words of Edward Snowden I don't know if you happen to see the John Oliver interview, but he may have seen your dick pics. Yes But as opposed to the NSA seeing them we're talking about a data breach leak Yeah much different than the kinds of things that we see with opium where data was leaked But not all of us it went to yeah quote-unquote China DPRK choose your villain of choice Yeah, so different because this is it basically the difference between like Cars on the highway disappearing versus cars on the highway getting into a massive massive smash in the median And then everybody driving very slowly by and looking yeah Yeah, this in the case of Ashley Madison You can literally search through content people have made searchable databases of all the information including last fours of credit cards Usernames that people used email addresses which included a lot of you know Very bad ones like dot gobs and dot mills But in the case of you know the target hack and the Sony hack and things of that nature Well Sony you could still you could still kind of search that one as well but with the target hack it was Hackers selling credit card data of other people so that they could end up reselling it Using that information to hopefully buy things So we couldn't search through all that information just you know as consumers right and we can't Put it another way We can't search through the treasure trove of secrets that Couldn't leaked to journalists those are yeah, you know given out slowly here and there to trust it to trust a journalist in an interesting way This is in the hands of not trusted journalists, but But hacker teams who have like ah, okay, you know change your policies because we don't believe with your morality So it's kind of a shakedown and they're like we have your database do as we say not doing as we say Okay, here's ten gigs. How'd that feel? Okay? Wait? Okay, that didn't work. Here's 20 gigs Okay, so here I want to get to that because that's been something that I feel has just been thrown out there that I do Not know the significance of and I feel like it's just being repeated like it's a major thing 10 gigs You know 15 gigs 12 gigs whatever how do you quantify the body count well? How big is that how much of that is relevant? Information that kind of makes news and beyond the like all right did this person cheat on their wives or try to cheat on their wives or husbands How much of that is the last four digits of credit cards yeah or information that could be used for nefarious identity stealing purposes Well, I can't speak exactly to what that ten gigs say Contains I can tell you that a gigabyte begins with a bite But besides that we're a bit sorry But besides that I can imagine it includes you know photographs from I mean it seems like it's a complete data dump In fact looking at the headlines for our looking at the stories from the most recent one it includes source code from their website It seems like they just basically took everything because that's a thing is we're looking at this and thinking the headlines and the coverage lead us to believe that it is a full ten gigs of just Email address sexual preferences and last four digits of credit card Yeah, not all of it is a lot of it is code that you know normal consumers are not going to go through because they don't care or they Don't understand it, but there's also going to be there's some corrupted files like the emails from the CEO Some of those files were corrupted so you can still download it But you won't be able to open it and see exactly what's happening with those so a lot of that is a few gigs But there is tons of user information involved there, too One of the interesting things about this particular leak is as opposed to the traditional like we're just going to dump everything on Pastebin or throw up a torrent the group the hacking group that is releasing these have actually cryptographically signed with PGP The data and said in their first leak like okay So if you see any data about this about this hack that wasn't signed with this key It's not legit and then brings this really interesting question and the same question could be Thrown at the journalists doing the sodom leaks, but like how what is there? What mechanism is there to validate? Any of this information that is leaked right? I mean and I can tell you right now I'm not on the database, but if you find me on there like what who's to say from the hackers haven't Injected other stuff. This could be in fact I'm gonna stay right now not even just hackers but like really angry exes or something like that Like it's it's Ashley Madison on the website from the research that I've done. I don't know personally Somebody sign up with any email address that they did because they do not verify email addresses Yeah, so I could easily go to that website and say I'm Darren at hack 5.org or whatever And I could sign up with your you know work email address and then I could say yeah I'm Darren kitchen and use a fake credit card or you know one of the prepaid credit cards and sign up for an Account easily because it didn't do any kind of verification to prove that it was actually you That is the point that has been brought up at very tense dinner tables over the last one sure If this didn't involve the very Interesting and newsworthy idea of adultery. I mean Ashley Madison was a site that was having things Pieces written about it before this hack if this were just you know LinkedIn Yes, Adobe. Yes. Is this even a story? Actually take out take out the adultery and actually it's just like every other hack It's but and actually if you treat it as such the interesting thing here is if this were any other We would actually be like oh good for these guys look they used to be crept They actually use industry best standards to encrypt their passwords and make it very difficult for hackers to then turn those Yeah, they use Good crypto so it makes it hard for hackers to reverse those into your plain text password and log into your thing and see all your stuff Well, then they didn't need to because they've released everything so that that would be one of the spins of this wasn't adultery Yes, but because it is what it is we have this Outsized gigantic echo chamber that is well, it's kind of like reading a gossip column. It's morality It is literal gossip Get into the the Duggarh character and all of his skull Duggarh Yes But but it's technologically speaking. It's not much different Okay, and finally our last question. Can I take a nap now and stop dealing with this story? No, you cannot but you can take away some some good privacy advice, which is lie everywhere because unfortunately while in meat space Public is there's no expectation of privacy in public But the internet is not public the internet is made up of a bunch of private networks So you shouldn't expect privacy Nor from the company hosting the data or the potential hackers that will soon take that data So if it's something you're concerned about consider lying it's worked for centuries one last one last identity is much Yeah, sorry folks All right. Well, I really wanted to hear Justin's addendum and maybe they will come back But for the moment, I think we're gonna jump right on into the pick of the day Which is Adam in no one actually calls it hot lanta. Sorry about that Adam Has our pick of the day. He says I just wanted to pass on a tip more than a pick My tip is to pay attention to any emails You've got saying Apple pay has been added to your credit card. This happened to me yesterday Unfortunately several phone calls to capital one didn't help and I had to resort to Twitter to get someone at capital one to check Into it, but turns out my account was stolen Someone got his credit card number and attached it to Apple pay then tried to use Apple pay at Walgreens for $800. Luckily it was declined. So Adam's tip is pay attention to those emails saying Apple pay was added to your account And so you if you have picks that is a great tip Send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show comm and you can always find Tom's picks at daily tech news show comm Slash picks and that is the most eloquent way. I could think anyone would sum that up While a laptop loses power Everybody welcome back. No problem Justin you had one more point. What was your one more point? When Whatever is left that Madison is gonna face lawsuits based on a claim They made that they went permanently deleted that there was an extra fee to permanently delete any and all information that you put on their website Is this a claim that anybody can make and should? Consumers beware if they are paying for something like this as services this are these magic beans I think that's a it's a ridiculous claim to make for any company to say that kind of thing about yeah I can totally do that. I'll just delete all your stuff like unless you're Really good. Yeah, but even if you're really good, there's always ways sure Okay, so one of the ways would be the company says oh sure We do delete your data and then they did except what about all of the notes in between that have cashed copies of said Like in and say whatever have you The interesting thing about that is that you can even if they do go under you can't things that are on the internet Don't go off the internet. Yeah, that's out of the bag You can't get the internet cat back in yeah And part of that is that we treat the internet as if it's some sort of like other Nationality with different laws, but actually it's weird cloud that powers over all of our nationalities where it just It's the melting pot of the earth and so there's always Sweden. There's always Switzerland There's always some place There's always some data center in a mountain somewhere where it can exist in a lawful manner or an illegal manner Or it'll just take forever to disappear aka WikiLeaks Tour and all the other good stuff that makes the internet wonderful and scary I'm well that was that was great And that was substantive and that was very very very informative and just to keep our media credentials We just have to add Penis vagina penis vagina somebody cheated on her life Yeah Keep with the tenor of the rest of this coverage since nobody's going to have any kind of perspective on this why should we yes Okay, so I already did the pick of the day while you guys were repowering But it's actually a great lead-in to our messages of the day which were about yesterday's Discussion of how nothing is private on the internet and everything on the internet is forever And I think that Justin and Andrew and I got a little passionate We're passionate about the first amendment in yesterday's discussion some people wrote in Kenny Brooks wrote in and said hi Justin and DTNS gang while I agree with the journalistic argument against the right to forget and a Government intervention to that effect. I disagree with the harshness of the criticism We are increasingly aware of the consequences of technology and the easily accessible archive of what happens in People's lives it could be either a bad life choice such as stealing or something silly like an immature video or blog post That may no longer even correlate with your beliefs So this becomes more serious if it's a case of someone making a gain While you live with the consequences of a potentially negative opinion from content You can't control as such I can understand why a government would feel the need to intervene on people's behalf I can wholeheartedly agree that the concept of government enforcement is not the best way to fix this But I felt the outrage and strong criticism lacked consideration of someone who could potentially need a law in their favor To help them fight a media company or blogger because they're missing out on career opportunities Because of some stupid joking misogynistic video They made sophomore year of college that pops up when you search their name and then Vernon Vincent from Springfield, Illinois wrote in to second that emotion We had this nice long back-and-forth email about it But his bottom line is this which is make no mistake government intervention is about the worst of possible options The despair.com poster sums it up perfectly government if you think the problems we create are bad You should see our solutions, but in the absence of government, what can an average person do forget the people gaming the system to Remove legitimate news, which was our concern yesterday What about the normal guy who just wants this chance to get out from under a cloud and make a life again as Implemented the right to be forgotten is pretty bad as mentioned many people take advantage of that and bad faith But the concept behind it that a person shouldn't have to suffer continually for mistakes that in another era Would otherwise be forgotten or forgiven over the course of time is a valid one and so Justin I have some thoughts about that but give me your thoughts first so number one. I would like to Apologize for any listeners. I felt that yesterday's discussion although very represent Oh, no not again No, I have to go it alone now. Where is this laptop without power? What's going on? Okay? Well Justin is coming back. Did you come back? Can you hear me? Yeah come back finish that thought cool So here's the thing we didn't We kind of went straw man on topic yesterday So I can understand although is representative of our feelings where we didn't fully flesh out where this situation is Coming from because there has been a prior conversation on this show about right to be forgotten laws There is no doubt that we are at a very awkward phase in our Digital digitalization of the world and specifically of reputation We don't have a ton of ways to make up for things that might be embarrassing in the past what I do Absolutely believe is that it is a bad idea to put into law Mechanisms for which the government can remove stuff because again, and this is probably a larger political conversation a law is not just a good idea a law is something for which you can have a gun in your face if you do not agree with it and There are there are to me better solutions either currently or that will will evolve naturally in the future to drown out or continue to give your reputation the Sheen that it currently deserves as opposed to the scar that was laid on it by yourself or somebody else early in life if you imagine Sorry Jenny go ahead So my and I want to hear what Darren has to say But my one thought was as I was reading these emails and the comments that came in was boy Isn't this an industry that's ripe for some affordable disruption because the people Vincent had an excellent point about how you know Someone who made a mistake when they were younger does not have a PR firm at their disposal like my mythical it be sub real estate guy Which I've made up But you know when you look at some of these Articles that you can go to the telegraph comm and BBC comm and they have posted a list of all the things that were taken down That way they were ordered to take down some of them I agree with and some of them I was like I still want that article five years from now and And and so I think that that the idea of creating something affordable that doesn't require a $2,500 lawyer retainer would be a really great way for somebody to go with a business Well, can I tell you my opinion from somebody who's actually been a victim of something that they did in the past? Yeah, so my opinion is If you do something when you're younger it's gonna happen and might end up on the internet and then you you have to own that Getting the government involved is not going to be the answer for everybody Not even getting any kind of police involved is not going to be the answer for everybody and it has to be taken on a Problem by problem, you know Configuration yeah basis of you know problem by problem not have any kind of you know government Legality happening for them in that right I mean I certainly for things that already break the law for the content That's posted that already breaks existing laws the protection legal protection is a good thing I'm thinking of like things like revenge porn and awful stuff like that There are laws in place to deal with that But this concept that you know I just think it is a better solution to come from a creative mind Than a top-down approach and I do hope that people are out there trying to think of creative solutions to this actually legitimate issue Yeah, I was just going to say that ultimately this is a result of our infancy in the digital revolution and the fact that before now We didn't have the ability to quickly and easily change identities like we do online or have multiple identities And if we as a humanity had grown up with the internet if it was just like we were born on this planet And there were awesome computers and there were apes and 2001 then then we would have a totally different Expectation of what identity and reputation means and we wouldn't be going through these same things So I wonder how different this would be and if there's a law that says oh you you have to be forgotten online Well, should there not be the same law that says the same thing for a meat space? Yeah, how is that that any different? It also I want a new social security number name and note and never mind. I don't want to go into protection ever mind I would also like to say that this Argument does no favor for the reputation of media members, which are very often you know Bomb you know by media members have terrible reputations with general public because in part There is a value of the story and this story-eyed greater good than there is to the personal Reputation or consequences of regular people This is something that I think when you are discussing it as somebody who's a part of the media you need to be Understanding of a lot of the feedback that we got which is there are real people with real Consequences to this story and it can't just be you can't get wrapped up on the force for the trees argument Which is there was a reality that there's a chilling effect to government in government's involvement in free speech and and Journalists see it all the time and and so if we just focus on that and we yell and scream about it We lose the humanity of the argument. I'm very glad that people wrote into other line That's yeah, I I don't want government involved in that kind of thing I want it to be on a case-by-case basis. Yeah, but whatever Well, there's nothing to cap off a really great discussion of Lots of things about internet privacy than with a fantastic picture by Len Peralta. Look at this This is amazing. You've got You've got Yeah So for the people in radioville There's this incredibly evocative picture of a woman with some Vomitous material coming out of her mouth on top of what looks to be a skivvy business man Yeah, words time's up It's sort of like I did a piece earlier in the year Call for Edward Snowden and this is sort of my companion piece to that In that in that picture or Snowden is vomiting out a lot of information and in this way the the woman the Person from Ashley Madison is vomiting up a lot of information This is really kind of what I feel the AM don't feels like or should feel like the people It just feels like we're just vomiting all this information out and it's gonna be You know, it's bad for a lot of different people, but it's gonna be worse when it happens to you So for everybody that's sort of like oh, this is great information. It's it's really kind of gross Everybody it's Bad for humanity in general and how we treat our neighbors. Yeah, exactly We can all learn a very very valuable lesson about this from this story, which is just cheat on your wife on tinder Please do go check out Len Peralta store calm for all of Len's incredible work that he does on daily tech news show and So many other fascinating projects led you have anything else you'd particularly like to plug No, but you know, you can also get these images as digital files if you back my patreon if you back the DTNS lover level you'll get these every Every week you'll get one or at least every other week you'll get one and It's a lot cheaper than getting imprinted and sent out to you So just something to think about options everybody awesome and I want to say thanks to Darren and Shannon Especially Justin for doing two in a row Excellent commentary We were waiting sort of all week to have the right people to talk about the Ashley Madison hack because we didn't want to go Down a bad road and so I really thank you guys for taking such a thoughtful approach to it And here is all your opportunity to go in a row and plug all the things Start with Darren. I would just say h a k 5.org. That's where you can find all the shows We just celebrated 10 years and we are cracking our our hack five challenge coin And showing you how you too can use Sumerian math to find bricks and nursery rhymes and Cracking encryption from a gigantic medallion like coin. It's very Indiana Jones. You'll enjoy h a k 5.org Shannon Since I work with him and I do all that stuff too. I guess you can follow me on Twitter at snubs Here we go. Of course the contender.us. We are moving into our final week of our Kickstarter campaign And it is a coast-to-coast Campaign Seattle New York, San Francisco. We're gonna be all over the country The contender team is so go ahead and follow us at contender game find out how you can support this great game and Justin our young on Twitter's we define on my personal stuff And I want to put in a special thanks to all of our DTNS contributors who chip chipped in this week It makes my life so much easier and all of our lives so much easier when Tom is away to have such smart thoughtful people filling in And I do want to give an extra special thanks to Roger Chang and Bryce Castillo for their incredible work This was a much better week for me personally because they were here So thank you guys so much and thanks of course as always to our 5036 patrons Who are getting us closer and closer to that video level because every time we see that awesome hack five Warehouse and all the stuff that you guys are able to do we're like want more Bring us home Jerry bring us home This shows brought you by five thousand thirty six patrons over sixteen thousand dollars Go ahead and supporters at a patreon Flash a deck our email address is feedback at the tech new show a dot com our email Start phone numbers five one two five nine daily and listen to the show Monday through Friday at 4 30 p.m Easter and now player that off the radio or visit our website daily tech new show dot com Tom is back on Monday With some young upstart named Veronica Belmont. We'll see you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com I'm in club. Hope you have enjoyed this program There are some fabulous titles at showbot.tv show about which has been restored The NSA warren's technology will improve By one of my favorites is Sarafi And then of course hashtag sorry not Spotify But really the G at darker Demers having a day I think because my favorite one is if you see a quantum computer Plank and cover which is Great The quantum cheating I'd run that Ubuntu how I mean like Seriously, what there is an app right now that does all of their patch notes in emojis, right? The passwords in emojis Characters it's better than words. Oh, yeah To secure the truth omitted dark tin back. I like it. Mm-hmm Uh-huh To be clear the daily tech news show does not want you to cheat on your wife from Or husband either one so what do you guys think what what works? What works for you? 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Yeah, I'll tell you what somebody watching right now It could be our 1776 Backer Wow, I will do a little endorsement of the issue of your choice If you are our 1776 backer That is so cool. I wish I hadn't already backed so that I could be the 1776 backer. I'll tell your friend Go now But yeah, no, we're gonna we're gonna announce Mason we want to we've kind of made in terms of Why does that keep happening it's I don't know Well, it's a very nice shot to people looking at their computers Justin about to Go to barbecue go do it all right. I'm logging off to all right. Thanks guys really