 Just a few seconds away for everybody. And all the board members turn on their videos and ready to go. Hey, right? Everyone can hear me. Yep. We're good. Okay, we're good. Well, it is four 30pm. And as acting chair, I would like to call this meeting of the designer view board order. I will ask the recording secretary. And I would like to call the board members to. To a formal roll call, please, Michelle. Yes, thank you. Let the record reflect that all board members are present with the exception of board member Hedge path. Vice chair birch and chair Weigel. Okay. We've got the, we've got the a team here today. So thanks everyone for being here. Good. Thank you. And I have approval of minutes. And from our agenda, Michelle, we don't have any minutes to approve right now. That is correct. Hopefully. Our next meeting, you guys will have a nice big batch of them to review and approve. Okay. So we'll have a long meeting next time to approve a lot of them. Thanks for all your work on that. We look forward to that. Thank you. I would like to open the meeting now for public comment. We'll be taking public comments on item number four, non agenda matters. This is the time when any person may address the board on matters, not listed on the agenda. But with our, which are within the subject matter jurisdiction of this committee. So once again, this is for public comment on matters not on the agenda today. So if you have any questions or comments on that, please wait until we open that up, but we will take public comments on anything that we normally deal with. So take it away, Michelle. Great. Thank you so much. And I am not seeing any hands at this time. Hey, great. Um, board business, um, item 4.1 statement of purpose. So zoning code chapter 20 dash 52. The review authority shall consider the location design site plan configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties in the city in general review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan, any applicable site plan, applicable zoning code standards and requirements, the consistency of the project within the city's desired guidelines, architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements. For example, city policy statements and development plans. Um, that is our purview here today. Item 4.2. Let's move on to board member reports. Do we have any board member reports for today? Thank you. Um, item 4.3. Any other, um, business items and we do not have any, um, anything from your viewpoint, Amy or Michelle. No, there's no other board business at this time. Okay. Sounds great. Let's move it on to item number 5, uh, department report. Uh, Amy Nicholson, please take us away. Thank you. Good evening. Um, a few reports from our department. Um, first and foremost, I will be sending an email to this effect, but, um, we are having a change to the staff liaison role for this board. Um, first, Jessica Jones, who is the supervising planner of development review will assume the staff liaison role for this board. And then, um, Claire Hartman, who is our director, will be assuming the planning commission staff liaison role, which Jessica currently fills. Um, so I wanted to thank each of you. It's been, uh, a really wonderful opportunity to work with you for the last six or so months, and I will be back in some capacity, um, for you. So thanks for this opportunity. Um, just touching on the minutes that we talked about earlier, uh, we need to have a quorum to approve the minutes, and because there are some going back, uh, before board member staff was on the board, um, we weren't able to bring them tonight, but we will have those for you at the next meeting. Um, speaking of next meetings, the month of April, um, it's pretty unlikely to have any design review board meetings. We will be closing the council chamber for some technology upgrades, and, um, so they aren't officially canceled, but it's pretty unlikely that we will be having meetings. So just for you to know as you're planning, planning your month out. Um, and then finally, I just wanted to mention the general plan update outreach. I made a plug for this last time, but just wanted to highlight that we have started our community workshops. We had our first in-person workshop last night, um, and those will run through the 26th of this month. Uh, so for more information on those, people can visit www.SantaRosaForward.com, and we also have a housing element survey that is posted on that webpage as well, which we would encourage any residents to complete. And, um, finally, I just wanted to make an update as it relates to some staff changes. So, um, this is Andrew Tripple's last design review board meeting. Um, so he will be leaving the city and, um, we will miss him very much. And Adam Ross, uh, who has presented to this board many times, uh, also had his last day with the city last week, so just wanted to keep you informed of some staffing changes. And thank you. Thank you, Senior Planner Nicholson. And, uh, thank you for shepherding us over these, oh, past, um, while. Um, and we're glad that, uh, you will still be sticking around. And, um, Planner Tripple, uh, sorry to see you move on. Um, but glad you'll be staying local. And congratulations. Um, and likewise for Planner Ross. Um, uh, thank you all. Um, you make, um, our jobs as, uh, as volunteers, uh, easy. So thank you all very much. Um, um, moving on to consent items. We have no consent items today for item number seven. Um, that will bring us to our regularly scheduled item, um, items of which there is one today scheduled 8.8.1. Um, the concept design review for 8.51 Burtain Lane, um, DR 22-009. And, uh, we'll hand it over to Planner Tripple for our, um, staff presentation. Thank you. Take it away, Andrew. Great. Thank you, Chair. And good afternoon, members of the, uh, design review board. It's great to be here this afternoon. So, uh, Britt, this is the concept design review for Britton Town Homes located at 8.51 Burtain Lane. Uh, this project proposes 82 all-electric two-story condiment or town home style condominiums. Uh, the applicant has described the site as a prime housing location and, uh, determined that the housing will be geared towards first-time home buyers and young families seeking to establish routes in Southwest Santa Rosa. Excellent. Thank you. So looking at how this project would, uh, contribute to our current regional housing needs allocation, uh, the, um, Britton Town Homes, and it appears that I forgot to change the total number from 40 to 82, but it is providing a total of 82, uh, mo, uh, dwelling units, and, uh, 74 of those units would be above more moderate income or market rate units. That contributes to approximately 2.8 percent of, of the rena requirement. And then eight of the units would be for sale to, um, households who qualify as moderate income households, and that contributes to approximately 1.1 percent of, uh, our rena goals. Next slide, please. So the, uh, project site is a 5.92 acre site located in the northwest corner of the intersection of Britton Lane and Sebastopol Road. To the north is the Joe Rodotta Trail, and access to the trail is typically provided from Britton Lane. To the south is North Point Corporate Center, which is one of the city's larger employment centers. And then residential development to the east, which is reliant upon Britton Lane for access. And then, uh, the property to the west is, uh, quite a large property developed for religious facilities use. Next slide, please. The project is located within the Sebastopol Road corridor priority development area. Uh, to clarify, it is not part of the Roseland Sebastopol Road specific plan, uh, but it is still within a priority development area, which, uh, then, uh, through the residential development area, it is still within a priority development area, and it is within a priority development area, and it does affect the level of design review required. The site's general plan land use designation is medium density residential, which would allow a minimum of 8 units per acre to a maximum of 18 units per acre. However, general plan policy requires that, uh, development take place at a minimum of 13 units per acre. Next slide, please. Next slide, please. So, uh, going back to, um, the effect that the priority development area has on this project, where it's location within a priority development area, rather in accordance with zoning code section 20-16.070 multi-family residential land use is a permitted use in the R318 zoning district. Next slide, please. So, uh, going back to, um, the effect that the priority development area has on this project, uh, on the project section 20-16.070 modifications to the design review process. Design review approval for new residential development located in a priority development area is delegated to the zoning administrator through the minor design review process. A pre-application neighborhood meeting and concept design review are required. The project review process has been reviewed by the planning commission. When applications were submitted, this project also submitted an SB 330 preliminary housing application. Planning staff confirmed that the project agreed to review the project as part of the meeting item. Then, of course, we're here this evening for required concept design review. As the project moves forward, minor design review is required, as part of the planning review process. We also confirmed that the project did qualify as a SB 330 preliminary housing project. And that offers certain benefits to the project. One of those benefits is that it did have the effect of freezing regulations and fees in effect at the time that application submittal was made. Second, it does limit the number of public meetings or public meetings. Third, it does limit the number of public meetings and the number of public meetings is a maximum of five. The definition of public meeting or public hearing is broadly construed. For instance, the pre-application neighborhood meeting does count as well as this evening's meeting. Going forward, we would look to a public hearing by planning commission, minor design review public meeting, and then any other public meetings. We would look to the project as authorized by SB 330. Finally, SB 330 does have the effect of revising the permit streamlining for the project. It gives us specific goals for project review. With that regard, then planning staff is aware of those goals and must complete project review within those required time frames. On March 9th, SB 330 was held and it was a virtual meeting. We had attendance by approximately 10 members of the community and the summary of public comments was provided. Briefly with regard to land use and density, the community understood that the land use is a permitted use and is generally supportive of the land use as well as the density in particular when they learned that this project is being developed at the community level. It is development of an otherwise low density site. There is only one existing residential dwelling unit on this 5.92 acre site. It does have implications for the neighborhood which has enjoyed living across a Britain lane from this site. Some of the residents for 25 years or more. Concerns about traffic were expressed. Concerns about how traffic were expressed were expressed. As well as in particular the design of the project on the west side of Britain lane, residents wanted to know what they might expect to see as a result of the project design. I think the applicant will demonstrate this evening that. That design does present a preferred approach to neighborhood design with the proposed town home units on the west side of Britain lane. Additionally, the neighborhood expressed concerns about existing trees on the site. The applicant has proposed preservation of two very large oak trees at the front of the site. Residents and participants in the neighborhood meeting pointed out that there are other large oak trees located along Britain lane on the east side of the site. Up on the west side of Britain lane, residents wanted to know what they might expect to see. The applicant will share with you this evening a proposal to retain those oak trees through design of required public improvements on Britain lane. Additionally, in some correspondence received today, one of the residents also did identify three redwood trees that this resident expressed concern about and a desire to retain those oak trees on the west side of Britain lane. The applicant will be authorized for you this evening and those comments will be made available following this evening's meeting. Let' s go back one more. With regard to parking the project does provide the minimum required parking for the project site as well as some additional parking on Britain lane the applicant will review that as well as some additional parking on the west side of Britain lane. The applicant were supportive of the project design and the applicant is prepared to delve into the design details for the design review board this evening. Next slide please. Great thank you. Of course here is my contact information however understandably perhaps I didn' t have enough foresight when I made this slide and I will answer some of the comments to senior planner Kristen Atumians who will be the project planner after the completion of this evening's concept design review. I' m happy to answer any questions as well as given city requirements for access to the site deputy director Rob Sprinkle is available this evening to talk about circulation and access to the site as well as traffic analysis that will be shared for this project so we appreciate him taking his time this evening to join us and then of course the applicant team is available as well. I' m happy to answer any questions you might have. Thank you. Very good thank you senior planner triple. Throws always. Yes at this point thanks also as Andrew mentioned to deputy director Rob Sprinkle for joining us tonight and I would like to invite him to share a few of his thoughts on this project. He is elevated and we are able to hear him now. I rather. Yes for this project we will be requiring a full traffic study to analyze the egress and ingress to the site. As part of our pre-application meeting we did make some modifications or suggestions to the applicant to modify their entry from sabbastiple road over to retain primarily because of the proximity of that intersection to corporate center parkway and sabbastiple road. That intersection is a two arterial street intersections with queues that do back up beyond the entry exit point of their initial proposal on sabbastiple road. That would with an entry and exit at that location it would basically prohibit the left turn in and left turn out from that location and an additional driveway would be necessary to retain anyway. So we have I haven't seen their final rendering of what they were proposing as of yet, but my understanding is that they have modified their design to allow for the more main entry off of the retain and with a potential exit only on to sabbastiple road that would that would correspond with traffic engineering's recommendations and what we would expect to see in the traffic study once it's produced. And I'll be here during the duration if you have any questions. And just to follow up on Mr. Sprinkles comments. So the project did receive pre-application development review by city staff on March 8th and then of course the neighborhood meeting on March 9th in response the applicant team did rally to provide a revised concept site plan that is that was made available recently very recently and is included in this evening's presentation. So it will be presented to both the public and the board at the same time and then be made part of the meeting item permanent record following this evening's presentation. Thank you. Okay, great. Thank you, Andrew. And thank you Deputy Director Sprinkle for joining us tonight. And I know that a lot of the public comments had to deal with pre-application in the entrance. And so I appreciate you taking time and illuminating that for us. And yes, we have the new concept site plan that's going to be presented to us shortly. And in light of that unless anyone on the board has a burning question for staff or for Rob at this point applicant presentation after we get to Board Member McHugh. John, yes. Thank you. Generally when we do these concept reviews, there's a section where you say that this is really not a project in the sense that no application has been filed and that sort of thing. So I'd like some clarification from staff is this a conceptual no application has been filed, no application has been filed. And so nothing has happened. And so it is not a project. Help me, you know, help me out folks. Sure, that's a great question. Thank you for asking. This is I believe the city's first SB330 project that was submitted. And so at the time that the SB330 preliminary housing application was submitted, we submitted applications for the neighborhood meeting, for concept design review, for the design review entitlement and the tentative map entitlement. So perhaps had this not been our first we would have said let's submit the preliminary housing application, work through the pre-application requirements and then submit the formal design review application. So that's what we submitted. However, working with the applicant, the applicant fully understands that currently the design review and tentative map entitlement applications are in an incomplete status and that they will be required to respond to both neighborhood concerns and design review board comments from this evening's meeting. So that's what we're doing with the project. We're working with the applications. However, we are working with the applicant to ensure that the project is responsive to these required pre-application activities. Thank you. Okay. And yes, and this one we are under with this process, we do have a concept design review, we're working with the applicant to present their presentation for us. I would like to invite the applicant to present their presentation for us. Let's see if we can hear you. Good evening. Samantha, thank you. You are live. I'm not going to be on video, I'm going to be on video. Okay. Fantastic. Well, thank you guys so much for taking the time. I'm really excited to be before you this afternoon to talk about the Britain Lane project. I want to talk a little bit about city ventures for a moment if you just go to the next slide. So our company is a sustainable development company. We've been doing solar all-electric for a decade. We do things like low power garages. We designed sustainably to use less lumber. I could go through the full list and answer any questions in that regard, but I did want to note it because I think it's really important in the context of the current climate. If you go to the next slide, you'll see some of the projects that we've completed. They all look different. We're an infill developer and we understand that the neighborhood that we're coming into should really be the guide for this project. So I think it's really important to look at some of the projects that we've been in. So our hope is that we've proposed some architecture designs that coalesce with the existing neighborhood. But if we haven't, we would love to get your input and figure out how to make it work. On the next slide, you'll see some images of projects that we are building in Santa Rosa or have completed in Santa Rosa. So I think it's really important to look at some of the projects that we've been doing in Santa Rosa. So I think it's really important to look at some of the projects that we've been doing in Santa Rosa. So that brings me to the next slide which is our site. Staff did a really good job presenting the surrounding area so I won't go too far into this. When we looked at the site, we looked at the fact that we have a small, sabastical road in the east of single family homes. And it's really kind of a traditional style architecture. And so we've kind of, we've tried really hard to figure out how to make that meld with, you know, make our project frontage meld with what's already existing. If you go to the next slide, you'll see the first of two site plans. As staff mentioned at the onset, we had our all-departmental meeting last week. And so the next site plan does have the different egress that we were talking about. But I want to stay here for a little bit. The guiding principle for this site plan when we looked at it was organizing all of the homes here around a kind of main spine road that had really large landscaping and street trees parking on both sides and that connected all of the homes to all of our amenity spaces which are kind of centralized here. And for the amenities, we're looking at things like children's play areas, passive open spaces, eating spaces, grand passeos. But we wanted to kind of have that centralized. The other thing that you'll see is that we've really set back a large distance from Sebastopol Road. There's a big right-of-way dedication that needs to be made on the street. And then we've held the build-to line back from the two oak trees that were mentioned at the onset of the project. Along Britain Lane, we've also really focused on having all of the homes have an interface with the existing neighborhood. So there's no fences on this side. No one is kind of turning their back or kind of having their homes open to the center of the site. Even for the buildings that side along Britain, we've had front doors placed there and every home will have a patio. And I'll show in a couple of slides what the street section looks like. But that was something that we thought was really important. We thought that in the context of what the existing homes on Britain look like and kind of that organic feel that's there, there's a lot of landscaping and single-family kind of lower density, we wanted to make sure that we kind of stayed respectful and stayed on the lower end of the density that's allowed in here as well as keeping it, especially on the public interfaces, to the two-story limit rather than going to three stories, which is what the zoning allows for here. If you go to the next slide, you'll see the new site plan that we're kind of talking about here. So we didn't quite have time to render it in the same way, but it's largely similar. All of the homes on the bottom half of the site plan and on the left of the site plan are the same, but the key thing here is one of the smaller kind of access alleyways, I'll call them, has been made into a main point of circulation, a main ingress egress, and on the right of that ingress egress, the buildings have been reconfigured to face and front on Britain instead of siding on Britain like they were in the last site plan. What this does is it makes the Sebastopol Road access point an emergency vehicle access with the possibility of egress only, and as Mr. Sprinkel said, we will study that thoroughly in our traffic study. We want to make this safe, but we also want to make it work for everyone, the city and the community want to see us do this, and whatever your input is, we're happy to study it or put it into the site plan, we'd like to make it work. On the next slide, you'll see a section of Britain Lane. On the right side here, the 20 feet that you see on the bottom right, that's pretty much what Britain currently is. There are no sidewalks and there's no parking on our side or on the other side, and what we would be doing here is a pretty major dedication of right-of-way to make this a minor street. So there would be an eight foot parking row, there would be a new separated sidewalk, and then inside the property line we also wanted to create a nice landscape buffer and have private patios that we're facing out to really again create some breath between where the current street end is and where the homes start to have that street wall set further back. The other thing that we've heard a lot about at our community meeting was the condition that Britain Lane is currently in. One of the things that we've come to realize is that a lot of the neighbors on the street are on septic or on wall water, and so there have been several requests to look at putting utility as an infrastructure in Britain Lane for water and sewer, and that's something that we're exploring. If we can prove it out from an engineering perspective and gravity gets us there, then we're going to be able to look at how we're going to make it work, and otherwise we'll figure out a way to have the connection be able to go through our state so that we'll program in the extra capacity. So we'd really like to make that work. We're also anticipating carbon gutter and obviously the new sidewalk and parking that I mentioned. On the next slide you'll see the homes themselves, and I won't spend a lot of time talking about that. One of them optioned down to two bedrooms, others optioned up to four bedrooms, and we designed them so that all of them have bedrooms upstairs, but about half of them will also have bedrooms down. We've learned recently that that flexibility for different family types is really important, and it also makes the homes more accessible. On the next slide you'll see some of the elevations. We've really strived to have, again, frontage different styles of fenestration that kind of tied to the traditional architecture across the street. If you go to the next slide, I think you can see better kind of what the materials are that make this up. Having the kickers on the gable ends, having kind of really traditional columns at the frontage. We want to make sure that we're doing something that again feels organic and melds into the stuff across the street. That coalesces into this building that is on the next slide. Again, I understand that we've got a lot of runway on this project, and there's a lot more here to do. All of this is kind of hand-drawn, it's conceptual. We'd love to hear your input on this and see your thoughts. We've stayed in the natural color cues to kind of let the landscape speak for itself and let the architecture elements speak for itself. That was the thought process here. I'll kind of go into is the landscaping on the next slide. We've talked a little bit about having these natural cues and different elements. We wanted to avoid having the children's play area be something with the bright yellow roofs and the bright blue sky. I have young children and they'll figure out what their play area is. We're looking at things like rock climbers, the log climbers, the logs you can crawl through. Our landscape architect, Chris is here. We wanted to have this connectivity in a way that created a sense of warmth but felt really natural. With that being said, the next slide is kind of our last one. We're so grateful for the opportunity to present. We really appreciate all of the neighbors who came out to the community meeting last week. We're looking forward to meeting with all of you again in the future as we go through this process with the city. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Miss Hauser. Thank you for presenting that to us. At this point, would it be possible to leave the updated site plan for us? I know that I would appreciate being able to look while we're, you know, we can digest on that a little bit more. Is that possible? Because it's question for Michelle, maybe. Yes, I'll go ahead and pull that up just a moment. Okay. Great. In the meantime, there's one thing overlooked. Since we are in a public hearing, we should ask for exparte disclosures. Do any board members have any exparte disclosures? Have we talked to anybody from the applicant team or neighbors? We actually, sorry, acting chair share. We don't need to do exparte because it's a concept item. We don't need to do exparte disclosures. This is true. Okay. Yes. Since we are, yes, that's right. Concept. And I was confused in that we normally don't have to open up for public comment. But as far as I know, we will be opening for public comment today. But it's not technically a public hearing. So thank you for the correction. And thank you for the updated site plan. Thank you. So at this point, I'd like to bring it back to the board as well. After the applicants presentation and thinking about the staff's information a little bit longer, I'd like to ask our board members for any questions that they might have. And let's see. I'm going to choose a board member or staff or the applicant post presentation. If you question for the applicant and it could be that you've already addressed this and I just it was it went over my head as I was also looking at the plan were any of the public amenities affected or which of the public amenities were affected by the by the change in the pertain lane in grass by that addition. Sure. So we it's a little bit of a reorientation we're not necessarily losing anything the space on the south we were able to to kind of nip and tuck all say and make that space larger so the and I'm calling it south but it's plans out it's really it's that larger space where you see the the perpendicular parking coming into the open space. That space was made larger in this iteration. So we're going to go to the the previous slide you'll see it's not going to the previous slide. So you'll see that that kind of grand sale did lose I'd say probably about 15 feet out of it. It is something that again you know we did this in a quick turnaround we got comments from the community and had two days to get the same plan together. So we are looking at ways to provide for that. So we're going to go back to the next slide. But then if you go back to the the next slide I also want to focus on yeah for that for that new entry I want to focus on making that street feel like a real entry street. So you know I'm torn if we if we do find additional space do we put it into this entry street or do we put it back into the our city city staff brought up the point that some of the some of the local residents have mentioned the trees along retain lane does this does the new plan take take that into account or is there is there a plan for that land for that existing landscaping. Sure so the the trees that are on that are on routine lane are actually public trees they're already in the right of life. When we do the right of way dedication we do the right of way. We do the right of way. We do the right of way of wiring a minor street care. So what that typically would do would mean that we would have to remove the trees. However I think there's a creative way to keep some of them and especially you know we have to look at where they fall in the entrance. But the idea would be that we would be able to do the right of way. We would be able to do the right of way. We would be able to do the right of way. I think the consensus was as long as we were able to maintain that 20 foot clear on the right that you see here in the slide that would we that we would be able to do that again that will be done in Congress with our arborist recommendations because we have to study further what those canopies are going to be able to do. So I think that would be very clearly going to be able to be saved. Understood. Thank you very much. Those were all of my questions. Thank you Board Member Staff. And that public frontage on Pertain will be improved to city street standards. Okay. Yes, that's correct. The street frontage on Pertain will be a minor street standard. Okay. Excellent. Thank you. Okay. Board Member Wolskie questions for applicant and our staff. Please. Just a couple. My first one is with this revised site plan that we're looking at right now with Pertain Lane Parkway Strip. I'm wondering if it would be possible not just for emergency vehicle access and maybe I'm incorrect in thinking it's just that but would it be possible for residents to exit and go right only and not have a left-hand turn available? That may be something for Mr. Sprinkle and then curious about the Pertain Lane Parkway Strip who will be responsible for maintaining the landscape and trees in that area and that's all I've got. Thanks. Thank you. Mr. Sprinkle, jump in if I miss quoting our conversation but that question was the exact same question that I had for Mr. Sprinkle and we came to the conclusion that it is very likely that we'll be able to do EVA and write out to kind of alleviate some of the issues that we're going to address on Britain. It will be studied particularly in our traffic study to prove that it will work but we're both feeling pretty confident about it. And then I'm sorry, your other question on the Parkway Strip, we would very much anticipate being the ones maintaining the Parkway Strip. This site will have a homeowners association and it's very typical that we would be able to do that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Now let's move on to Board Member McHugh. Any further questions for us today? Not right now. Thank you. Thank you, John. And the previous Board members said that we would like to make a comment by Zoom. Please raise your hand at this moment. And we can promote you to speaking privileges. If you're dialing in via telephone, the phone number will be available at the moment. So we would like to extend that courtesy to our public and it looks like we do have some members of the public here tonight. If you're dialing in via telephone, the telephone number is 877-853-5257. And please start 9 to raise your hand. And everyone will have three minutes. And Michelle, are we ready? We have our timer set up yet? We do. Lovely. Thank you. Thank you. And the first public comment is Debra. Debra, you should have a prompt allowing you to unmute. And if you could please start by stating your full name for the record, please. This is Debra Moser. And I was at the meeting last week too. And so I'm appreciating how it's going to be. And my son have property on Britain Lane as well. And so my main thing is again, you know, will the sewer and water come down Britain Lane? And I feel like we don't know that yet. But it sounds like we will have access to it if it doesn't come down Britain Lane and it stays inside the complex. Or the design. The new design. So that was one thing about that. If there's any more clarification of that or it's just being looked at still. On the new design, I noticed in front of my house at 7. 12. That the buildings, okay, so my question is is that a street, another street that's going to be connected to Britain Lane? Or is it just there's going to be two access roads, one sort of more towards the front and one is very close to the rear of the project. But there's not going to be any streets. There's not going to be any driveways or streets going along adjacent to Britain Lane. Is that true? The concern about the trees. Some I've been living there for 40 years. Some of those trees are not good treats anyway. I just want to say those pop lars are bad. You know, they're just they just fall apart their softwood et cetera et cetera. Of course, it'd be nice to keep the oaks or some of them if they're healthy. And of course, the beautiful ones at the front of the property. And pretty much that's really all I have to say right now. Thank you so much. And thank you, Samantha, for considering all these wonderful things with your design and how the buildings will look and keeping it to two stories. And I really do appreciate that and also the whole thing with the green energy and the plants being drought resistant and things of that nature. I think that's what you said too. Thank you very much. Okay. And I'm not seeing any other hands for public comment at this time. Okay. Let it rest for about 30 seconds or so before we close. And thank you, Miss Moser for your comments and for your questions. We'll see about getting those questions answered as well about the sewer if possible. And it's always great to hear that there's a good conversation, a positive conversation happening between neighbors and the applicant as well. So the the board always loves to hear that and I know that makes the city staff's job easier as well. It's better for everybody. And also it's nice to hear I think we're zeroing in on Britain Lane rather than Britain Lane. So I've got a different pronunciation. So I think Britain Lane is where the condensers is coming. Especially if Miss Moser has lived there for 40 years, she probably knows. So no other hands are being raised. And so Michelle, do we have any other emails or phone calls that have been received, phone messages? No, we do not. Okay. Well, then I guess we will close public comment at this point. Thanks everybody. And at this point, we'll move it right along and bring it back to actually, I would like to maybe try and get an answer to the question about the sewer and utilities. Does anyone potentially from staff have any information on that as well? Oh, and or Miss Moser. Sure. So and Mr. Triple, if I'm if I'm jumping in here, feel free to cut me off. So I think we are dedicated to figuring out how to make it work. The water isn't easier the answer because it's pressurized. So the answer is like, you know, that's that's something that we can definitely have down in Britain. I think the question that we still have in our civil community is how do we make it work through Britain and make it work without pumps and if it can't gravity drain is our pump something the city would entertain like there's there's a lot of there are several questions that we need to answer from an engineering standpoint on our design team before we have a confident answer. I think we're going to be able to make it work. So I think we're going to be happy to upsize our system to account for the public street and the homeowners and put public utility easements over our roads that allow them to connect in. I just I don't want to say yes and then find out that the engineering doesn't work. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you for that. And again, thanks for being a good neighbor. Sheila, I do see your hand, but I'll see it does staff anything else. Thank you. Thank you. I think what you're going to say is where the project is in terms of understanding where how those public utilities would provide service to the site and I think everybody understands the position of the neighboring properties and their goal to be able to have access to connected to utilities. So it certainly is a top goal of the project. Thank you. Thank you. I know that that was included in the public comment that a lot of the neighbors would be very excited to have connectivity. Yes, Board Member Wolskie, Sheila, your question. I do have another question. I read I think it was in the narrative that the trust will be placed in an area where it won't create noise or nuisance in the area. Thank you. Sure. So this is proposed with individualized trash. The dedicated two-car garages have been designed for all three bins to fit in and there will be space in front of each garage for people to drag their bins outside. There will not be a centralized trash. We try to avoid it. It creates kind of nuisance. We can't do that. I think it's a great idea to have people on either side of the aisle have their bins out and carts out for vehicles to pass. Absolutely. What we're doing is trying to make sure there's room in the driveway aprons as well. What the HOA documents will do is encourage people to put it on their aprons and it will give a 24-hour window. I think it's a 12-hour window. Great. Since we can move right into comments, Sheila, you had the microphone. Would you like to just continue and any comments? I can. They're kind of all over the place but that's okay. I'll keep going down my list. In looking at both the original plan, I guess I'm a little concerned that all of the open space and the common amenities are kind of located in one area. For me, I think I would like it to be sprinkled a little more throughout this development. I think especially for the folks on the north, they'd have to travel a distance to get over there. I would like to see a little more open space on the north side to get a little more over there or maybe just switch it out and move buildings. I do like the portrait patio support columns. I think those are really attractive and I hope you maintain that design. We've seen some stick spindles and some developments and I think these are really attractive as they are. In terms of the architecture and the design aesthetic that you chose, I think it's a really good solution for this area. It's kind of understated and classic and I think it will fit in well in this neighborhood. I like one of our design guidelines is to differentiate between the first story and the second story and I think you've done that well with putting the shingle sighting on the upper story, so thank you for that. There is a mix of window design which is also really interesting. Thank you for that. I guess on future, since apparently you do do several projects, city ventures in Santa Rosa, I would like to see full elevations, not just snippets of what one area will look like. It would be helpful to see the entire elevation on one sheet. She A4 was described on the side. That looked a little bare to me. The wall did in the rear 50% of that rendering, so I was wondering if anything more could be added to that elevation to bring some more visual interest to it. Otherwise, I thought all the other elevations were great. I like how in most of the project you've got garages facing garages facing a garage which can be a little boring and that the doors go into the common space and that you haven't located garages there. I also appreciate how you're offering a four bedroom plan. I think that's really important and I have not seen a lot of that here. I think the most I've seen is three bedroom and I think there's a need for that and I also really appreciate that you are putting a bedroom at least in some of the units on the lower level. That's a really big deal for people with mobility issues, seniors or even if you break your leg you don't want to go up a flight of stairs. So I think that will help sell this product very well. And that's it for my comments. Thank you. Excellent. Thank you very much Board Member Wolskie. Board Member Stapp. We'll take comments. Please Mark. My comments are simply compliments on a nicely designed project. Most of my questions and concerns we addressed in the last section and they were all exterior issues regarding traffic utilities, landscaping etc. And you've addressed those very nicely. Thank you again for working so closely with the neighbors in that area. That's wonderful. And then with respect to the actual design it's an attractive, thoughtful, sensitive design for that area. Really nicely done. And so again nothing but thanks for a well thought out plan. Thank you Board Member Stapp. Yes, we always do appreciate a well thought out package. Thank you for those comments. And we'll move it on to Board Member McHugh. John, take it away. Thank you very much. I endorse the comments of my fellow Board Members. And I want to thank you very much. I think it is an excellent design. When I first saw it I was really impressed by how it all came together. I think it was a great opportunity for me to hear from the applicant that you paid some attention to the buildings and homes across the street on Britain Lane. And I really appreciate that. And so I'm very appreciative of the project. And thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you Board Member McHugh. And we'll share my thoughts. Yes, I agree with my fellow Board Members. We've done a great job complimenting tonight. Very thorough. I will endorse everything that people have previously said. But I do want to thank the applicant for this project and for bringing the housing. I think it's a great opportunity for me to see the units. And as Board Member Wolskie mentioned, seeing four bedrooms is always nice too. It's nice to see a project that identifies a need and then strives to fill it. And you've done that with that but then also with other aspects of the project as well. I think it's a very good use of space. I think it's really great to see the public meeting. I think it's a great example of how the process can and should work. It's a collaboration. No one's here to shut anything down. We're here to make the projects as positive an impact as possible in our neighborhoods and to compliment what's here. And so I applaud you for your efforts so far. And I have every confidence that that will continue. Architecturally, I do appreciate that this is a, you know, it's a more traditional style, traditional in a way. It is meaning that it's not necessarily bringing in the very contemporary angles of today but is also bringing in some of the some of the details of shingles and the pitched roofs. I do think that it's going to tastefully fit in to feel modern but then also to fit in with the neighborhood and it will be uniquely traditional I think in terms of recent proposals we've had. So I applaud you on that design. I will echo one concern that Board Member Walski also had about the public amenities. It is interesting to hear that the playground area actually with the new layout is expanding because I was curious to hear what the square footages are. Don't necessarily need to get into exactly the, you know, the real exact square footages but I was curious to hear that actually was made larger and I can see that there are space savings happening with that because I do feel that on the north side it's a little sparse in terms of public amenities. I know it is getting over towards the Rodota Trail but just that, you know, the northern third of the project I think if you're looking for ways where you can maximize that space, you mentioned either the Paseo or the entrance I would advocate for moving that, those, any extra space that you do have over to that third, maybe you do have the smaller public area there in livening that a little bit or sprinkling things, you know, aspects around where you can. As Sheila mentioned that's always a great thing so you don't have to walk across the entire development to get to an open space. With that as well I believe that I notice the only bike racks you have are at the playground area I think it would be useful to see some throughout the project visitors and areas to lock up as well. And the trees it's been brought up a few times so there are some really nice trees that are there some will be taken out and will be mitigated and I think and you are preserving the grand Oaks as well. I think that making this as leafy as possible and providing as much shade with these additional roads will be something in your favor as well so really maximizing that. But job well done and I have every confidence that you will continue working well with staff and with the community to make this a really great asset to the neighborhood so thank you very much. Thanks for your efforts throughout the city as well. Thank you everyone. Just to kind of sum up our comments as a board I will sort of hit some of the highlights and please let me know if I've missed anything at anyone. Yeah, as we mentioned having amenities spread throughout the project the you know looking at the north side for this open space and public amenities let's see let's see in moving into the design aspects as well you received comments upon your use of variation from first story to second story your use of varying window designs as well on having a nice lively design as something that the board really appreciated the she'll mention the garages facing garages which I think is a really great observation and a really important design aspect too so keep moving with that and again the diversity of units and the units for mobility as well is also very much appreciated with ground floor access and we'll ask the board see if I've missed anything there any other observations any further comments that have sparked off okay well at this point we do like to hear from the applicant if our comments any reactions to what we've said you know positive or negative so please let us know Miss Hauser no I so appreciate all of the comments and I think that the amenity comment is well taken I think especially with some of the units that we're moving with the new point of access this is a really good time for us to figure out how to interlace those in so the next time this plan comes through or gets submitted into the city it will have those changes made great thank you for that and again we won't see it again but we do you will be in good hands with staff and with the rest of the process thank you and at that point I believe we are on to our last item on the agenda which is adjournment correct amen yes so thanks everyone thanks very much for being with us today and this meeting of the designer board is now adjourned alright