 With yourself of like should I work out? It's the conversation you have with yourself of like when am I going I'm not gonna work out today When am I going right? Yeah, when am I gonna fit it in? Yeah. No, I agree Yeah, so just make it a routine just get started and you know other people I tell I was like You'll know when you want to do it because if you're not fed up and you're just not you know You're not gonna stick to it. So, you know, you have to be real with yourself as well, you know, yeah Any questions about the rundown anybody So Chris actually real quickly, do you have the rundown front of you? Yeah, so do you see it changing color? It's orange now Then red red And then gray so basically yellow means you guys have 45 seconds a minute to finish up and red means move on to the next topic stop. Yeah, Ben Got it. Cool All right Well shoot, let's uh, let's do it. Let's do this here show We all got here might as well Give 30 seconds 30 second warning and St. Louis Browns won the hat vote in the discord So that will be a hat for today Lana Hawks came in second So that will go in the middle of the pile and the Hawkeyes go to the end the Pac-Man logo The Atlanta Hawks Pac-Man logo Yeah All right five four three two one Thanks to everyone who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more head to daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the daily tech news for friday october 19th 2018 in los angeles. I'm tom merit and from studio feline for the last time ever From my midwest estate. I'm Len Peralta and from a smaller smaller estate on the west coast. I'm Roger Yeah, you can hear back in the background there our guest today Chris Ashley from the smr podcast. How's it going, man? I'm doing great. How are you guys doing doing good? I heard you react to the last studio feline God, I was like what? What did I miss? I mean, there'll be a new studio feline just not this particular room Will it be called studio felines though? I don't know I mean I I I will take suggestions from our audience Will it be the same color? It will be studio feline in in in spirit. No matter what it is We're going with different colors. We're gonna switch it up to burgundy and gold like my redskins room Not no 49ers are almost same colors. You could probably do that there's true All right, let's start today with a few tech things you should know Windows 10 insider preview build one eight two six two has expanded the list of default windows apps That users can now remove the list now includes mail calculator calendar movies and tv and six other apps in addition to the seven That can already be removed in the latest public updates Brazilian newspaper full of the salpallo reports that companies contracted a service to circumvent WhatsApp's spam controls And send mass messages through to brazilians attacking candidate for president Fernando Haddad Brazilian law prohibits businesses funding of campaigns and restricts how contact lists can be obtained for such purposes The message has apparently began before the first round of the elections that happened on october 7th And the second round the runoff between the top two candidates is scheduled for october 28th The message campaign is being investigated by brazil's supreme electoral court and whatsapp Of course is investigating as well One plus is moving the announcement of its 60 phone from october 30th to october 29th You might say why that's just one day? Well in order to be avoid to avoid being announced on the same day that apple announces things They at least want one press day Before they get just that's we're just gonna move it All right, let's talk a little bit about the ongoing bloomberg hack story. It's still being denied US director of national intelligence dan coats told cyberscoop He has not seen any evidence supporting bloomberg's report of a hardware compromise of super micro motherboards We've talked about it previously on the show coats did add we're not taking anything for granted and said we're always watching So he's hedging a little bit In addition Not hedging was apple CEO tim cook who told buzzfeed news regarding this story There is no truth in their story about apple They need to do that right thing and retract it apple doesn't call for retractions even when there's been outright fraud about reports They don't call for retractions bloomberg told buzzfeed bloomberg business weeks investigation is the result of more than a year of reporting During which we conducted more than a hundred interviews 17 individual sources including government officials and insiders that the company's named Confirmed the manipulation of hardware and other elements of the attacks So the conundrum continues about who do you believe? Uh, there's the company's outright denying it They're the government officials coming out on record in public saying we have not seen anything about this And then there's bloomberg saying yeah, but we've got 17 people Who want to keep anonymous so they don't get in trouble who say it did happen Man, this is this story is unbelievable. Um, because it's just not going away And i'm glad it's not going away and it's one of the first stories of this nature that i'm like I truly do not know who to believe Because I get it, you know, you it's a tough thing to come out in the public and say no This is not true at all because if anything comes out improves it to be true your your credibility is completely finished And potentially an sec investigation dependent, right? But at the same time, you know, they're saying they got 17 People that's back in the story and a year of investigative work So some is it possible for both of these sides to be true? Sure, you know, they could have somebody could have kept it a secret and kept it out of the But you know, when you look at the the history of china hacking into us companies and stealing information and um Intellectual property it's not that far fetch of a thing to happen. So I don't you know I don't know why people are pretending like this is so out of the realm of possibility But but I just don't know who to believe in this one Well, and it's also unusual as you mentioned tom that apple would Be speaking about this at all the fact that tim cook was like This is false and they need to retract their story is different than saying If this happened we had no knowledge of this or just saying nothing at all so the fact that apple is on the kind of the offensive here is it's unusual and It it it makes me wonder not not that I don't think that bloomberg sources were incredible, but it's like For apple to do that the company must feel very confident Uh that they're not going to be you know You know left Know what the metaphor is well found to be lying. Yeah, well found to be like. Yeah, exactly. Um, and it's it's it's I I guess perhaps if the company thought that um Somehow, you know, the supply chain would be hurt. Uh, there, you know bottom line would be hurt Sure, you could do this even if you weren't totally sure that you were saying what you you know said we're saying to be saying but though it's that's super risky because You you've got you've got shareholder fraud. Uh, you've got loan credibility You just say something vague or you don't say something at all and then the day this first broke That's what justin was doing was parsing what little had been said to say. Well, they left wiggle room There's no wiggle room left. Uh apple does not ask to retract a story ever Uh, so they are saying we don't believe this story at all Uh, which if to fit the facts the only explanations are the one that zack whitaker has kind of floated out there from tech crunch That the people talking to bloomberg have not informed the other people they work with at their companies that this happened That they've kept this under wraps The other issue would be that the 17 sources somehow are lying to bloomberg And I guess the third would be that somebody's lying Uh, at bloomberg, uh, that the reporter is somehow hoodwinking his editors into believing sources Uh, and all of those are farfetched. Yeah, exactly. They're all farfetched The one about the reporter seems the most farfetched to me, but it has happened before so that's possible the one about employees Finding out a hack and and being suppressed and not being able to tell anyone feels like the only one that Could be really probable to me and even then it's it's it's a small probability Uh, sorry. This is something we will obviously revisit as it unfolds Moving on though the verge obtained a fee schedule for european device manufacturers who want to license google's play store and other mobile apps An e-u antitrust decision requires google to make search chrome and mobile services available separately after february 1st 2019 fees will range from two dollars and 50 cents to 40 dollars per device Depending on the country and the pixel density of the screen A source said that google may offer to cover the cost for manufacturers who decide to include search and chrome as well The company previously made all three available for free generating revenue from search Which it shared with the manufacturers the fees for mobile services are meant to make up for lost search revenue caused by the absence of chrome and search apps on a device Google reportedly will not share search revenue with manufacturers who don't place chrome in that application doc So the pixels the pixels thing is just a stand in for the the price of the phone Uh more pixels per inch usually means a more expensive phone So that that's that's where that comes from the rest of this is just saying In the old way we gave it to you for free because we made money on search And we required you to put the chrome in the doc Where it would generate search revenue and so we shared some of that with you now Since you have the option of not doing that We're going to charge you to cover the cost We're losing from search if you only put in the play store and not chrome and the search app And if you don't put chrome in the doc, we're not going to share the revenue with you because you're not going to be making this as much Yeah, for me. This is just all too little too late as far as i'm concerned because they already destroyed the Competitive competitive market for other operating systems by letting them give it away for free for so long Something of value that they gave away for free in order to hook in their services We all knew what they were doing. We all talked about it And they did it anyway and now that all the other operating systems are done Now we're going to hit them with a fee and so it's like what's the point other than a money grab at this point So i'm i'm really annoyed with this story because this is something that should have been done years ago So, you know, you're you don't think it was right for android to to be bundled in the first place And you but you don't think that this remedy is going to increase competition Well, they I don't have a problem with the bundling, but they should have been charging for the operating system, right? But they gave it away for free So they could pull you under the services, which I get it, you know It's not and it's not a dumb thing to do But the fact that they allowed them to give the operating system away for free Which allowed it to spread much more rapidly than windows and then you know, which you know also then helped to kill off The blackberry os Yeah, it was a problem back then we all we all knew what was going on and uh, that's it We're down the two operating systems now for phones Facebook has hired former uk deputy prime minister sir nick clag To be head of global affairs and communications. So he'll be global pr for facebook He is the former leader of the liberal democratic party or liberal democrats the lib dems They are the third party in the uk He was deputy prime minister because the lib dems and the conservatives had a coalition government A few years back. He will eventually next year move to california. So he's leaving the uk He is not the first lib dem to work for facebook lord Allen of hellum is facebook's public policy chief for imaya the europe middle east and africa region. So Uh, if you're in the third party in the uk your exit strategy appears to be becoming facebook Oh more importantly Let's hire somebody on the inside that can hopefully get these regulators and get these countries off our back Right and they're your friends right somebody who's not polarizing in the u.s He's a little bit polarizing in the uk But in the u.s. Nobody knows who he is so he wouldn't be like hiring a republican or a democrat right right Just get these people. I don't care what you do your job is to get them off our back You know, we have these security breaches. We should not be bothered by these security breaches China's largest retailer jd.com plans to launch a store on google by the end of the year to sell directly to folks in the u.s Yes, jd already sells in the u.s. Through a partnership with walmart But the google platform offers a much more direct approach obviously jd also plans to expand its facilities from a few in Los Angeles to several fulfillment centers and eventually an entire network Meanwhile back in china jd is opening its logistics network to customers for shipping parcels Starting with app users in beijing shanghai and guangzhou So yeah, essentially what jd is doing is saying we are doing what everyone always talks about amazon doing Which is creating a logistics enterprise to help us get an advantage in shopping We did it in china It would be as if for us people Or people in other areas where amazon works if amazon started allowing you to ship with them like you do With dhl or ups or somebody like that. That's what jd is doing in china and they want to do it in the us They want to not only start selling more things in the u.s on the google platform Which is a little more open than their partnership with walmart, but they want to build a logistics center here as well And one would assume that maybe their goal is eventually to become a shipper here So I look at this and i'm like Initially like come on and you know you root for your american companies But man amazon is getting way too big and there needs to be some competition out there to kind of keep things in place So I actually Don't really mind this and I hope other retailers step up and start getting their act together Because uh, you know amazon was great. I you i'm and i'm starting to realize i'm really hooked into a lot of their services So, you know competition is always better than having one one one spot rule rule them all so i'm you know what bring it on And it's a chinese company So there's always going to be that baggage around it But I wonder if there's you know plenty of room for it to work within the united states with united states warehouses employing people here Uh that avoids that or is it the fact that it's chinese owned going to always be a problem for it Right. Yeah, because obviously There's always the jobs aspect. So yeah, you're right So if they bring warehouses and then they start employing people and you know that How will that be received? For people working i'm sure to be received well, but for the powers that be right now. Who knows what they'll say about it South africa's gov chat citizen engagement platform has been invited to set up operations with other governments It's worked for south africa's government and soon we'll be working for a democratic republic of congo Ghana and nigeria gov chat integrates its service into existing services. So they don't provide a new product They say what are you using you got a website using whatsapp? We will help you make better use of that with our back end planet Platform to to manage it The idea being to help governments converse with their citizens better You know, you can never go wrong with trying to communicate with the people you're supposed to be representing Now are they going to listen to the people that's using this chat? That's the that's the bigger question But you know what the fact that they're taking effort to at least put out a mechanism to facilitate their communication You can't you can't hate on that Yeah, I think I think it's uh, I think it's an interesting situation. I think it's something worth examining too Uh to see if if if there are I don't know in fact, I would call on the audience Who always has more expertise than I do uh if there are other Places in the world where there are similar systems being operated. I'd be curious to know about it Yeah, because you always still hear people You know doing their writing letter campaigns and you know lately you see people catching uh Their senators at the at their restaurants and stuff to get their communication points across um, but yeah, I you know, I'm not active that much in politics other than paying attention to what's going on But I've never written a letter to a you know local representative So I don't even know if we have an app here that allows us to communicate and you know Put points across and facilitate conversations. So some governments do local governments do and some don't I don't think I don't know if there's one platform like that or not. Yeah, so Well, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines.com All right, a couple of uh stories floating about today illustrate a few trends We've been following on daily tech news show. Huawei CEO, Richard You told digital trends that Huawei is working on a foldable phone Particularly for 5g. So when 5g services come out, they want to have a foldable phone to go along with it Of course, we talked about last week samsung indicating it might show off a foldable phone at its developers conference in november Huawei also developing a chip for 5g the belong 5g o one Along with foldable phones another trend are these small Limited phones often meant to be a second phone. So you don't always have to carry your big phone Kyocera has announced the ky o one l that fits in a credit card slot in a purse or wallet It's going to stretch that slot a little bit. It has a 2.8 inch e-paper display weighs 47 grams It's 5.3 millimeters thick So you're not going to be able to put another card in there with it But it technically can fit in a credit card slot It includes a browser calculator and calendar launching in late november on ntt dokomo in japan for 32 000 yen That's about 285 bucks. You want to convert it to us? So We've often talked about like well phones are commoditized. What's the new thing for phones? And I feel like we're at the place laptops were when if you remember The netbook craze came along and people like well We've got to come up with a new format for net for for laptops and you had these limited Laptops sometimes with connectivity built in a lot of times they ran linux This feels a little bit like that to me It's well What if we do a different form factor which with laptops eventually became the two in one which has become somewhat popular Or what if we do a more limited version for people which a lot of people I I know people who've emailed me directly want they're like I need a phone That has a long battery life and doesn't do a lot to take with me to various places. What do you guys think of these trends? Well chris, I'd love to get your thoughts I we've definitely talked about the idea of the sort of second smaller phone You know where I think of it is like laptop is probably a better analogy, but I think like It's like a handbag, right? Maybe you have a small Maybe you have a big one depends on where you're going and what you need But with phones you hear more and more that people are like I want something more limited so that i'm not using it too much It's not so much that it's smaller It's that it's purposely it purposely has fewer features for the sanity of the human carrying it along with them so One of these technologies I like and one of them I just like And There's no question of which is which I don't I don't see the point of a device that does less when You can control what your device does by just not doing it Uh, so if I don't want to do email on my phone, guess what? I'm not opening the email app um Yeah That that one doesn't make a lot of sense and the other reason why it doesn't make a lot of sense to me as well It's because You could just do these things with your like like a watch, you know the the new apple watch you have 3g in it so you can 4g so you can connect to You know your cell towers you can make phone calls you can run Basic versions of the apps that are installed on the on the watch itself You know you can play music from you can hook your headphones up to it And so it's relatively limited so You know, maybe the form factor is not necessarily what people are looking for But it's there for a lot of the stuff that I think most people would want to do anyway. So You know to me that that device Yeah, no, it's not for me But the other side of the house which is the foldable device and for me the holy grail has always been I don't want a phone and and a computer. I want one um, and if if a foldable device that I could actually that's actually powerful enough to me to hook up to my Monitor and I could do work from and I can put it in my pocket And roll out, you know, because I just took a trip to Orlando. I'm going to Memphis in a couple weeks and they're the the battle to Take less has never ended. You know, you got to take your extra battery. You got to take your Your your your various cables. You got to take your various hookup ports You got to take, you know, your phone your your laptop and of course the power cord for the laptop It's always massive I'm tired of that Absolutely tired of that I want You know, if I could have a little device that I could take with me and it's functional enough for me to go and do a Presentation while I'm out But then, you know, when I'm on a plane or and I can fit on a plane and actually put the the table down now Uh and use the table, but that's awesome. But uh, if I can just don't lean back No, no, still that's not allowed But if I could, you know, to have a device that dual screen and I can just type and you know, update my presentation or do You know, whatever notes I need to do that to me has always been the holy grail and you know, the I'm hoping that panels per day from microsoft pulls out pulls that off, you know, that's that's the one thing I've been kind of waiting for Out of them is that take that surface shrink it down Make it uh both and I can carry one device with me or even if I still took a cell phone with me That's still would I wouldn't mind having a bag that has two phones. You know, basically two phones in it So wait, you're just telling saying that nobody why would anybody want two phones when one does less than the other? But a lot of your arguments here are the arguments I hear people making for why they want that second limited phone Is is not the same reasons, but it's the same general idea of Sometimes I don't want to stick a big phone in my pocket or I can't And I need something more limited. Well, let me be clear when I say two phones I mean two devices to say the size of a phone Yeah, but some people the reason you you're just talking about if not wanting to carry all of the adapters and the batteries and all of that I think is is one of the reasons that sometimes people want that more limited phone Yeah Yeah, I can see that but when I when I take when I when I pack my laptop, right That that alone if I you know when you have two phones Even if I said I have two phones or two device two devices the size of the phone It's still smaller than my laptop. You know, I mean and so it's still to me I could even take a small. I don't even have to take my backpack anymore You know, I mean I could take a much smaller bag You know a messenger bag or something like that and travel with that Um verse having a back type over my backpack over my back or everything just goes into my my luggage bag So that's that's the point. I'm getting it. But you know, if if it was good enough where I could just say You know, I don't even need a phone or it is my phone now. You know, I mean my phone is my computer Uh, that's that's just something for me personally personally that I've been looking for and I'm looking for expanded functionality on phones You know, you know, you saw in uh, New Orleans The they started doing the digital driver's licenses now on the phones, you know that type of I want expanded functionality Because I want the phone. I'm tired of carrying wallets. Um, you know, I just want to carry one device and So this that is way more intriguing to me than a limited device um With that does what my phone can do because like I said at the end of the day, you can always limit what you do on your device I want I want the haptic holograms where I have a limited device But sometimes I can unlock it and let it do more and it like put a whole screen and a keyboard up But it's still only carry around a little thing How about your watch has a hologram on it so you can take it off put it on your desk It's the phone everywhere you exit and then everything else is there and maybe when we go Um, og style, you know, you can actually interact with the hologram. Not even my watch just implanted in my eye Okay, let's know implants We we've heard about this sort of like foldable phone. That's going to be the new thing We've heard about it so much more than we've seen anything in action And when we were talking to jesson robert young yesterday, he mentioned the sidekick as as uh, you know You know something that he equated andy ribbon with really sort of moving moving the needle forward I was like, you know what that's probably the last foldable device That wasn't a laptop, you know, that was a smaller form factor where I was like Yeah, because I had one at one point and it was it was revolutionary to me Well, that's not what a foldable phone would be now It's like we're you know, we're done with the blackberry days, right? So I it's it's almost it's either a form factor that Has been introduced because we just need a new buzzword Now it folds or it's going to be something that actually Does a lot of what chris you say that you need especially when you're traveling That I feel like I can't I totally can't wrap my brain around yet because I haven't seen anything That has made my life better That isn't you know, I uh, you know a tablet plus like a keyboard I think foldable phones are a step on the way to that road. I don't know if they're the final Right, right. Oh, perhaps not. Yeah, because the sidekick was super popular, especially you know You know my son had one and it was because they allowed them to type faster, you know But now you can see them getting busy on a on a regular phone, you know with the same type of speed So um, so yeah, I think I agree with you 100 that you know just because it folds it's not That's not the reason why it has to be what people want It has to be you know has to fold because the functionality it provides is bringing it above and beyond and maybe it's just because there's more horsepower In that you know on that second half or maybe you can put it as a full screen and all of a sudden it becomes like a You know six seven inch tablet um for for that use case But then you fold it in half and then it becomes, you know a phone with the keyboard I don't know or maybe you fold it completely over and it's just a regular phone, you know That's the way I come out. You know just off the top of my head. I would see that type of thing being that useful Well, we do get a lot of foldable phone stories in our subreddit Thanks to everybody who participates if you haven't you can submit stories and vote on other stories And they might get selected in the show or also get into daily tech headlines at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Also on facebook at facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show All right, let's go over to chris christensen of amateur traveler who has a few tips for your lumen and potentially expensive holiday travel This is chris christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute I had a friend who pinged me on slack yesterday and said he was planning on traveling home for christmas But during december the rates have literally doubled for flights What do you do one is don't travel in december there just may not be better flight options But if you're looking for the best flight options, I would start with a meta search engine some place that does multiple searches Like kayak dot com or trip advisors flights And then there are a couple of the booking sites that you might check out like scott's cheap flights dot com airfarewatchdog.com Or if you're doing a more complicated route air trex dot com There's also a new one which I haven't tried which is people powered and that is fly stein dot com stein like frankenstein If you're trying to get home for the holidays and you're finding expensive fairs These may be able to help you but again the best way to get cheaper fairs is to fly when other people aren't I'm chris christensen from amateur traveler. That's good advice chris. All right. Let's check out the mailbag Eric weighed in on our recent stories of streaming services on pc's max chromebooks and et cetera Eric says one service. I know nobody's mentioned is in video g-force now I got into the beta earlier this year. It basically changed how I played video games completely My rig was just starting to date out. It was time for a new processor and motherboard and ram now I don't need to upgrade at all. I have a decent internet connection. It's 150 megabits per second down And I would pay that gladly so i'm pleased that it's free at least for now Well, uh, that's another one to add to the pile for sure. Thank you, Eric. I appreciate that and uh, let's Wrap up by checking in with len peralta. Who has been illustrating the show. Yeah, you know, um, I'm interested in these foldable phones. I don't know if They are going to sell well though unless we give them a fancy name And that's what this cartons cartoons all about. Uh, there's uh, I'm calling them the origami iphone. Ah, origami iphone That is like very nice. I think I think that could be a a big seller right there origami iphone I like that you have a steve jobs-ish guy holding exactly This uh, this cartoon actually, uh, if I don't know there's this there's a cartoonist by the name of caldwell And if you look up pay the man in clareese Which is what um, oh, so it's an homage is an homage to him You'll see what the original cartoon was. So it's sort of like an homage to caldwell So look that up and um, yeah, this is in my store right now at lenperalta store.com Is is clareese clareese sterling? We're just no totally different clareese. It's just just the name he chose I looked it up before the show and i'm like i'm gonna use that thing. I'm gonna use that little tagline there. So Uh, well, thanks len peralta and also thanks to chris ashley for being with us this fine friday chris Where can people keep up with your other work? 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I don't need anything that was uh Take it about for a while because yeah The other thing is too right because microsoft was talking about how they want to do the uh You know to host all the games The gaming I know so a device like that that could fold in half and then I could actually do my gaming from that device as well too Oh my god All right, because you could just do streaming streaming right. I want this for the title fold my calls That's good brilliant It's good that's from anth mic Nice job anth mic Wow, that's a lot of the park man. One and done. That is good That's great That's good Fold my calls I mean big plans this weekend Oh, you got to finish moving, huh? Uh, no, I'm I'm uh luceras moving this weekend. I'm I have the insurance inspector coming to look at a leak in my porch Oh, that's my big plan They got to cancel the insurance as soon as they pay for it Well, it's probably not even covered. Unfortunately. Oh, it's it's not a result of Damn weather or anything exactly, but but You just you got to have them look just in case so practically. I mean it is weather I mean the rain. Well, that's why I have them look, right? It's like, all right. Why not? Yeah, my buddy somehow got his roof repaired under that This means he said that the wind blew off his shingles and they end up redoing the entire roof So who knows you never know Yeah, we got the dallas skins game this weekend So I think I'm gonna try to hit the butcher and grab a couple of tomahawk steaks Oh, yeah All right, those bad boys up and then uh, I don't know what's a tomahawk steak So you've seen them they like the big steaks that have like the long bone at the on the end of it you see them like in the Okay, and they're like really huge So what I want to do is what they call a reverse sear where you smoke it first And then take it off and grill it as opposed to searing it first and then Chris Chris needs to like come to our barbecue. Are you searing or are you smoking it first better than what I do? I'm gonna smoke it first get that nice flavor. I'll try to get it up to about 125 and then um, I'll wrap it and when I get get to the game Then I'll fire up the grill and I'll put that jar Uh, I see I see. Yes. I'll sear it at the at the park. I'll sear it at the game. Right So I when I did my ribs last week, I'm searing I'm saying sear not Welcome to you you want ribs now? And I did I did my ribs last week I smoked them wrapped in wrapped them and then I put them in the fridge And then when I got to the game fired up the grill and just reheated them on the grill But the brisket and the pulled pork I smoked right up until the moment I left wrapped them so that by the time we got to the game It would have been two hours that have been like the perfect rest Amount of time for rest and they were both ready to be pulled one You know pulling but so that they kind of time it out a little bit. So nice Dang Yeah, I get busy sarah. I get busy. Oh, no, I'm I'm impressed Sounds good. I don't know anything about grilling. I like it one other people do it. Sure. Yeah, but I don't I I I've never owned my own grill a neighbor of mine who has a patio next to me All right another day or so she's always like grilling. I don't know whatever outside and it always smells good And I'm like it doesn't seem like it's that hard I just don't do it Well, you know what when you get to the new spot, you should make it a point to You know grill a little something. I think I will yeah I'm gonna have a little bit more outdoor space than I than I've ever had so um, maybe a grill is Maybe a grills in the uh in the cards, huh Otis I was thinking about that at the courtyard, but I got so many mosquitoes trying to I saw no one I have to just get rid of the flower beds Just get some citronella candles Oh, yeah, set up some citronella get you a little portable grill like the smaller one They don't get as hot with you know, you really want it hot to sear that outside. That's the whole point But uh, you know, you may do at least at least starting out and it's all about timing, you know You just you can follow any video to get the one cleaning so tired. Well, you know what they're cheap So just throw them in the trash when you're done Where's my smart grill Gonna make my smart grill where I just like press a button and that's what happens Right And all kinds of stuff that'll like tell you when the timing is done Like Chris was talking about timing where it'll like not under the temperature and then just Notify you on your app like all right time to flip it Yeah, I think I just have to get used to it's like this is a thing that happens outside of the kitchen I'm fine with recipe timing. I understand how to you know, you know, you know, you do things at certain times It's like that's not really the problem. It's more of like that expansion of the kitchen. How does that? Yeah Had a grill and we would we would cook outside like I it felt weird at first But Eileen would be like, well, let's just grill something tonight. I'm like, yeah We don't have to be having people over to grill. We could just grill like it was kind of revelation Yeah, you know, you've arrived. Well, you guys will never have this problem But you know when it's yeah, you're shoveling a path to the grill That's hardcore. Yeah But that's part of the game the commitment to grill excellence. That's right Hey guys, thanks a lot. I can't can't thank you enough for always hanging out. Oh, yeah, man. Thank you For being our show. So happy to be here. Yes. Take care. Have a good one. Have a good one. Have a great week and a great grill Thank you. Bye. Bye. Oh, definitely Also, I want to personally apologize to mdta uk for getting a little sniffy in the chat room about the nick plague stuff I apologize. I got totally distracted and I know better And at one point he wasn't even talking to me and I was like, ah, oh, sorry so Happens to all of us I'm gonna start my weekend too What do you mean start? This is not this wasn't a start of your research. No, this is the kickoff Yeah, this is how you kick it off. This is how I kick it off. You're I feel as though I don't know if you guys can hear it, but it's like my voice is starting to like Yeah, it dip More that I speak. Um, so that'll be fun So maybe, you know, yeah when the movers come on, uh, you know first thing monday morning Maybe I'll have a voice. Maybe I won't There you go. Great Hey, I want to remind everybody if anybody is listening in the cleveland area Then they want to come out for a free morning of coffee and comics They can come out to the red Star roastery, I think a rising star roastery on walton avenue in cleveland I'll be doing a Comics workshop there tomorrow morning free and open to the public put on by cleveland public library And uh, I'll be we'll doing character creation and other fun stuff. So That's only interfering the cleveland area. That's awesome. I wish I wasn't pretty fun Should be fun free and open to the public and you get free coffee too. So what? I know now. I want to fly to cleveland just to get free coffee, which doesn't make any damn sense Yeah, it's local locally brewed all the good stuff. So And uh, and then tonight we're going on a little halloween trick-or-treat walk should be fun Is it like one of those neighborhood event kind of things or it is at our rec neighborhood rec center Yeah, yeah, they've set up the rec center with all these old stops for kids the kids can wear their costumes Like oh, that'll be fun. You know, yeah be kind of cool. There's a couple of us And we're not sure yet if our neighborhood gets like Rando trick-or-treaters or if everybody does the rec center type stuff because there's a rec center not too far away Oh, yeah, yeah Yeah, I'll over here. We get a little bit more than we used to but They don't really a lot of people don't come around our neighborhood at all We didn't get them until late in the old place Uh, so it would be like teenagers. And so we just stopped we just turned off the porch We don't want to sit here and wait around and then just have like 16 year olds like Yeah, not even dressed up. We yeah, well they were dressed up But it was they weren't you know, they weren't like the cute little right like oh, you're he-man. Oh, you're she-ra No, I you know what I was uh, I go out and trick-or-treat every year Like I take my kids out, but I also Bring your own bag. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, you got to pay off the dad It's great Always wear a mask so they never know and I'm just like walking with you know, they don't know how old I am. It's all right, man You see because I can move around you seem of the appropriate height Yeah, yeah And my voice too would sound pretty youthful. So Hey, can I get some of those? Hey, none of this crap is dark chocolate One year I went out and Uh, I was my I think at the then my 16 year old son He was dressed up and I was I was I was dressed up as short round or something And they they thought my son was my dad was the dad. Oh my god He's like hey take care of your boy and he's like that's not my boy. He doesn't look so well. He looks a little He's short and round. What's wrong with him? Seems a little older than he should be stop giving him coffee All right, I'm gonna get going. Thank you guys Have a lovely weekend. I will not be on next week. Just so you know Oh, okay. Oh, sorry to hear that. Yeah, but I will be back on the following weekend Spill the new month we will cry all week until you come all right, so no land on the round table Yes, thank you. It's gonna be all ladies episode. All right, man. Me and roger See you guys. Bye. All right Bye video viewers. Have a great weekend and audio folks stick around. There's tricks and treats to come or teepee