 Special thanks to Alex for gracing that and making the studio look beautiful with a very able guest that we had talking about fashion business. But right about now, we are taking a different course. But remember, this is why in the morning, and this is entrepreneurship Tuesday. And my name is Barry Mosses, or it's very important, every social media platform. And it's claimed that digital assets or digital content are the new oil. So we have a content creator in the studio. He goes by the name Michael and Jorroge in studio with me. And he's about to share his story and to tell us about this oil mining that is going on in this country right now. Thank you. Yes, sir. All right. Your camera is number four. Okay. Thank you for having me today. It's an honor to be here. All right. Just introduce yourself. In case I forgot anything about you, any a.k.a., any credentials, any extra credentials that you have. Yes, sir. My name is Michael and Jorroge. I do photography. I started off with photography. Then I'm doing film as well. Basically, that's what I do. So I've done a lot of things really. All right. Your self-taught? No, not really. Not really. You took it to media school? Yeah, I went to media school. But before I went to media school, I did accounts. I did IT. Then I did media. How did you end up with media after accounts and IT? Because I didn't know what I wanted to do. The story of a Kenyan youth, a typical Kenyan youth. Yeah, yeah. When you're done with your form for men, everybody is going for accounts. Everybody is going for IT. And you don't want to stay home. You don't want to look like the Inserna form. Inserna form. All right. So you ended up doing accounts. So I did accounts. I did. Accounts was crazy, man. Man, man. I can't act this. All right. Is it coming through for you right now that you've set up your own business and you're running your own business? Yeah. Is the accounts and IT coming through for you? Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Because now when I did accounts, like right now, I can do my own invoices. I can do my own returns. I can do my own quotations and stuff like that. My own mathematics and know how the business is going, cash flow and stuff like that. So you appreciate it? Yeah. As much as you didn't know what you didn't want to do. All right. So right now you've set up your own studio. It's called Magic Real Studios. Magic Real Pictures. Magic Real Pictures. Magic Real Pictures. All right. So why the name Magic Real? Man, I was looking for a name. It's always a journey. It's always a journey. Because when you come up with an idea, the name has to be first and then the logo. Yeah. I know the logo now. I've had so many names. I have one. Open my Instagram account. Close it. That's what has happened. And that's the journey of doing business. Yeah. So you don't know maybe where to lie. But Magic Real, I wanted to make... It's all about making unique and memorable moments. Unique and memorable moments. Definitely. I've been checking out your YouTube channel and it's definitely unique and memorable to watch you teach people how not to drown and teach people these funny things. How do you come up with the concepts? So it's from the events that I do. Okay. Like today we can say, okay, guys, man, let's chill. Today we're not going to work. Maybe it's on a Sunday. Where are we going? Let's go swimming. So you go swimming and say, because we have a camera, why not shoot? You get... And you say, okay, let's shoot. Go. We have GoPros inside the water. So just come up with the name. Come up with the name and just show people that it's simple and you can do it yourself. It's very simple. You're talking about GoPros and the rest of them. Do you have your own equipment? I have my own equipment. All right. So right now, if I can take you back, when you started, did you have your own equipment? I've been lucky. My grandmother bought me the first camera. When was this? It was 2015. 2015. The end of 2015. So I started now doing now photography as a career and trying to, you know, how to get clients and stuff like that. All right. So now when my grandmother bought me the camera, because I had done some internship from some other place. So I had some, you know, had some knowledge and know how, how to shoot and take pictures. I wish you knew the kind of things my grandmother has bought me. It's far from a camera. But I love you, Grammy. And I like to be Grammy. So your grandma understands this passion. What did your parents think about your grandma encouraging you to get into this, in this line of work that is not pro-African parents? I think my parents are, you know, open to any idea, you know, and that's how parents should be right now. Because the careers that guys are doing right now, they were not there five years ago or maybe 10 years ago. They're not the same careers that are right now. So my parents used to encourage me to, you know, I did accounts. I said, I don't want that. They told me, okay, now go to whatever. I did IT. I said, not really. Some was there, but not there. Because you are behind the computer right now. Not there. Let me go for the last one. Now the media. When I went to media, I did a diploma. I actually didn't finish it. I actually didn't graduate because I already had a job. You know, I started working. I started getting these gigs from Uganda, from all over. You know, and it's a passion. It's something that you love doing. So that's when I started now doing it for real. That's how you end up there. We're going to come back to all these gigs you're getting in all these countries you've traveled. But before we talk about that, I'm trying to understand the transition from the camera you got from your parent to now selling a TV show to one of the major TV stations in the country right now. How did you transition to that? From getting your first camera, taking pictures for fun, transitioning to doing it as a business, and actually selling content to TV stations. Okay. So what happens is when you start doing photography, you get to know a lot of people in the industry. So you have to be models. So you have to be a really, really good person when it comes to talking to people and interacting with people. Because now I started doing photography. Now we've got clients, you get, and friends as well. So my camera, then I bought now this camera that I have, which is a 5D Mark IV. Now that can shoot videos, you shoot photos, 4K, stuff like that. So you saved money for this? Yeah, I saved money for that. Then I bought the camera. Then now my friend went to Germany. It's called Benjamin O Luger. Shout out to him. Shout out to Benjamin O Luger for flying to Germany, flying the Canadian flag in Germany. When he went to Germany doing film, he was studying it. Now the clients that he had, he left them over to me. All right. So luck has been on your side. I have to say, luck has been on your side. But your content is equally good. As much as luck has been on your side, your content is equally good. Do you say it's luck or are you placing yourself in the right place and always knowing how to network with people? Definitely, definitely. You have to be good with people. When you're doing photography, there's no client who will come to you when you're not a fun-loving person. You're not telling them to pose like this, or smile, or do this, you know, poses and stuff like that. You have to be very, very good with people, open-minded, and listen to what people are saying really. You have to be humble as well. Being good with people is one thing, but people can be bad with you also, you know? I know. Because a lot of times content creators and photographers complain about people wanting free randy. And free randy is an inside joke, anyway. People wanted free randy, people not paying in time. How do you deal with this? How do you not cross the line? Being good with people but still getting what's your worth? I think that's how photographers and videographers or filmmakers get into depression. Because in this field, we were talking about depression, right before you came in. In this field, there's someone who will not pay, you believe me. Always. Always. When you're getting into this, just know one day you're going to meet somebody who's not going to pay. Almost all the time actually. Almost all the time. Yeah, but now me, because now I was living with my parents, so that didn't affect me a lot. Because I didn't pay rent, they were giving me food. So you had the time to learn how to deal with people who don't pay. People will go home so that you can fall back home and say, man, I didn't make it today, but tomorrow is another day. All right, but how do you deal with them as a people? Because you still need to maintain your rep as a person. You still need to maintain your cool. And you don't want lawsuits as well. So what I do for clients who, most of the times what I do, I tell a client to pay a deposit. Depot always ties you. Number one. When they pay the depot, I know, okay, this guy is serious. All right, so the depot is very important. Very important to see if someone is really serious about your business. All right. That you have to do. Now the other thing is now you knowing your clients and really following them up, maybe telling them, okay, if you're not paying right now, then you can pay within a span of a week or something. Installments maybe. So every client is unique. And you need to understand every client. And sometimes you get paid late. Yeah. That also happens. The glazes always happen. The glazes always happen. All right. We have Mr. Roger in the studio with us. The CEO of Magic Real Pictures. All right. In studio for entrepreneurship Tuesday on Why In The Morning. Remember, we have a question on Facebook. What is the easiest cash you've ever earned? And how long did it last? And how did you spend it? Tell us on Y-5-4 on Facebook. You can hit me up there regularly. It's my mo. Mr. Roger. So now that you've into this field, it's claimed that digital content is the next oil. Do you know how oil runs the world right now? Yes. And we are transitioning to electric cars. Oil is going to be worthless. So digital assets are going to be the next gold mine. So if you're a content creator, you're in the right place in 2019. What do you have to say about this place? So I have to say, it is very true. About digital connection and stuff like that. Because everybody is in Facebook. Everybody is in social media. What are people watching? People are watching videos. People are watching photos. That's what we do. That's the job that we do. So you guys are feeding our addiction? Yeah. You take a good picture or a trendy picture, guys will definitely make it trend or something like that. People will know you through that. So if you do good pictures, if you do good videos, you post them on social media and maybe boost them or something. There are ways you can get to understand. Social media is not as simple as people think. Facebook is very different from Instagram. Instagram is slightly different from Twitter. So there are different tools and there are different tools that some people will never even know about. The backend of Twitter that you can use to optimize your stuff. How do you keep yourself in touch with all these things? Because this is where you put your content. Now I started with Facebook. Facebook is quite easy because now you're dealing with your friends, who are your real friends, you know, who have friends from way back, from high school, from primary school, from Sunday school. So they already know you. Actually, Facebook, you can make a lot of money through that. Because now people who see your pictures, then they tell their friends, hey, this guy is my friend. He does this and this. He's very, very good at it. Instagram as well, there are ways on how to post your pictures. There are ways that you can filter your pictures. There's a way that you have a theme in your Instagram account. Like it looks like you do green or red, tiltoring. So what you're basically saying is you can make it a gallery. Yeah, yeah. Museum, when I walk into Instagram. When you walk into it and you look and you say, what, this is different, this is unique. So I need to learn every platform and how to place yourself on it. Exactly. Does Twitter work for digital content creators like you? Yes, it does. Still, it's not for renting. Twitter is actually very good as well. Because now they are influencers. When you become friends with influencers, you'll do their jobs, they'll give you jobs. Then they'll post it on Twitter. Then girls will see you, then they'll start following you. Then you'll be posting your stuff on Twitter as well. All right. There's a mechanism. There's a mechanism. Influences come in handy as much as you can do it yourself. Always place yourself in the right place. You have to place yourself. All right. Are you ready to watch yourself? Definitely. Do you watch yourself? Sometimes I watch. Let's get a taste of what's on the YouTube channel before we can carry on with this. This day last year, when I was contacted by good friends from tech myself, and they called me, telling me that they want me to give a talk or to teach them some basics of photography. So I've never done such kind of a thing, but it was a good experience. I said, okay, cool, let's do it. You're always busy when on the road. So what was happening here? Oh, here we were going to Nanyuki with my friends. There's Kuria and there's Isaac. Then the car broke down. We were going to give a talk about photography. Wow. So this, life gave you lemons and you made lemonade. This is a typical example. What is, is he a rapper? He's moving like a rapper. All right. So what were you teaching people in this video? So I was teaching people about to do photography. A company calls you and they tell you that we have this department, PR and photography. So they have to take photos of whatever they are doing when they go to the field. So you go teach them the basics of photography. You use the ISO, the shutter speed, the apertures, the lenses, and how to pose people as well. All right. So there's a lot to learn when it comes to photography? A lot, man. So there's a lot you tell somebody who thinks it's just... It's a lot. It's a lot that happens. You need to talk to people, you need to pose like this to get a good shot and stuff like that. And since you've travelled, do you, in a scale of one to ten, how beautiful is Kenya? Kenya is beautiful. I love the people. Kenya? Yeah, yeah. Scale of one to ten, how beautiful? Scale of one to ten. I'll give it a seven. A strong seven? A strong seven. Why did we miss the three? What can we correct about the three? There's the infrastructure, which is really, really bad. When you go out there, maybe in Amsterdam, you see the trams and the train stations and stuff like that. And you look back in Kenya and you say, this is just a joke. And we can do it. We have the potential to do it. We have the potential to do it. So the seven is mostly our nature and our landscape. Our nature, our people, our landscape as well, just basically the people are very, very good. Alright, so our scope is good, but we can improve for sure. We can improve. You've talked about Amsterdam and the places, how many destinations have you travelled? I've gone to South Africa, Germany, Amsterdam, Uganda as well, Tanzania, yeah. Alright, so how did you get there? How do you get to travel? Is this a client calls and tells you we need you here? So we have a show, a car show, which runs in KTN, at 6.30 every single Sunday. So it's all about cars. So there are cars which are being launched outside the country. So we go. Like last month we went to Germany for the IAA, which is one of the biggest motor shows in the whole world. So you go see the defenders, you go, the Lamborghinis, the Bentley. Have you been in Lamborghini? Yeah, yeah. Inside? No, no, no, inside. But you've touched it. But I've touched it, yeah. Mercia Lag? No, that was the Sian. The Sian? Yeah. The new one. How does he feel like? It's a beautiful one. It's a beautiful one. It's very, very beautiful. Did you hear the engine roar? Yeah. Okay. Wow. So these are the packs that comes with being a content creator. And with being a good one. Being a good content creator. Exactly. That is a key word. What would you tell somebody who's watching right now and thinks, all right, I'm going to get into photography so I can go to Amsterdam and Germany. What would you tell that person? So I used to be like you. There's a time. But now, what I started doing is researching. We used to look at people who are really, really inspired. One of my favorite. When I was doing accounts. That's true slinger. That's true slinger. I used to just go to his page and say, man, this is what I want to do. At that time, I have an exam. Which would be happening in the next like one hour. But I want to be like this guy. I hope it's on IP. So you just have to research. Research? Do you research? And know what you really love. Know what you really love. Someone said that if you want to know what you love, because most people don't know what you love. But someone said, if you don't know what to do or what you love doing, do what you hate doing. Then you know what you love doing. All right. Do what you hate doing so you know what you love doing. Exactly. This set is filled with quotes today. The person had previously told me the question you need to ask yourself if you want to progress in whatever you're doing is why. Why are you doing it? Why are you doing it? All right. How important is this question to you? It's very important. Because first of all, I do it because I love it. It's my passion. I can do it without getting paid. Because I love it. I love taking pictures. I love doing videos. First of all, you have to get a passion with it. And if now, passion comes, then you just definitely know how to make money from it. If you love it, you'll make money from it, believe me. Two things you've told me. Research and passion. But when it comes to research, I'm guessing research is scrolling your Instagram, checking your idols and stuff. Learning. Research and practice. How do you find the balance? Because practice, you can always watch and get inspired. But if you don't practice, it's something else. How do you get the balance between scrolling your Instagram and practicing at the same time? So what I used to do is, I used to watch a lot of tutorials. I still do. When I watch a tutorial, I have to do what the guy is doing. That's what happened with YouTube. I started doing YouTube. The guys were saying, just do it. Start doing it, man. Just start doing it. And if you start doing it, then you'll make it. You'll progress. And people will see your work and they'll be like, yeah, man. This guy is doing something unique. This guy is really good at what he's doing. So he's just doing it. He's just going out there. Going out there to do it. Go out there and shoot, man. All right. Let's just shoot with a phone. Go out and shoot and shoot and shoot. And shoot and shoot. And shoot and shoot. Scroll less and shoot more. Scroll less and shoot more. All right. How can they find you on social media? So on Instagram, at Mike underscore. Just took them straight into the eyes. Okay. Instagram, Mike underscore, Genro, D.O.P. The company name is Magic Real Pictures. So at Magic Real Pictures on Instagram as well. Facebook is Mike on Genroge. Twitter is Magic Real Picks with an X. Yeah. Magic Real Picks with an X. So Google, Magic Real Picks will find everything. Yeah, exactly. Thank you very much for coming, sir. Thank you. We appreciate you, the easiest cash you've ever earned in your life. That is a question on our Facebook today. And how long did it last and how did you spend it? The easiest cash I've ever earned is what I do every single day. That's very easy to earn, man. That's... Photography. Yeah, just taking pictures. Everybody has a phone. All right. You can take a picture. That's the easiest. That is the easiest. All right. Because you're doing something you love. Yeah. All right. That is the second time I'm getting that response today. So doing something you love, please be getting easy money. Exactly. Thank you very much for coming. Thank you. We appreciate you. Keep doing what you're doing. Magic Real Pictures. I'm Mr. Joraga, the CEO and founder right there. It's about that time that we've wrapped this up. Remember, we have a question on our Facebook. What is the easiest cash you've earned? How did you spend it and how long did it last? We always appreciate your feedback. We'll be sampling them towards the end of the show. My name is Bymosis or It's Bymo on social media. Alex is coming up next. Don't go nowhere.