 On the CDO city website. And we wanted to go through and introduce one another as well. Again, starting off Jeff Clark ward for steering committee. And I see Jeff Comstock first in my screen. Okay. Yeah. Hello. Jeff Comstock steering committee representative from Ward seven. And I guess I would put in a plug. That word seven is down to two steering committee representatives. And we would certainly. Like some other folks to join us. So even if it's not you. Suggest it to your neighbors. Thank you. If you could just pass it to someone. Jeff and I'll unmute them. Yep. Eric. Eric Corbin. Eric Corbin ward for steering committee. And I'll pass it to Sarah carpenter. Sarah carpenter ward for city councilor. Pass it to Bob Hooper. Bob Hooper. State rep 61. Thanks. Pass it to TJ who's down in a corner there. TJ I live in Ward four and I will pass it to Carol Odie. Thank you. I'm Carol Odie. I'm ward four and a state rep in district six dash one. And I will pass it to Mark Barlow. And Mark Barlow. And I'm the north district city councilor. And I will pass it to. Jenna O'Donnell. Hello everyone. I'm Jenna O'Donnell and Millie O'Donnell. Sorry for joining late. Good to see everyone out. Just joined. So I'm afraid I don't know who else needs to go. Amy. Thanks everybody. Amy Bielasky branch ward seven and I'll pass it to Sylvia. Sylvia might not be there right now. Evan. You know which Sylvia. The hell. Sylvia. Okay. Which Sylvia. What you are familiar to us. Yes. Which word. Sylvia. Which. Oh, I. I'm in Ward seven. Great. Thank you. Matt. Robert. Seven and steering committee. Ed Murphy. I'm at Murphy ward four resident down in Nottingham lane. And. Sitting in to hear all the cool stuff this summer. I'll go to, I believe Evan Litwin. Oh, good. Thank you, Liam. I'm Evan Litwin. I'm a ward for. Steering committee member. And I will pass to just looking around trying to remember. Who's my colleague at public works. Has norm Baldwin gone. Okay. Thanks. I've not. So thank you. Norm Baldwin city engineer work for department of public works. And I'll pass to Rob Goulding. Who's my colleague at public works. Hi, thank you everyone for having me. My name is Rob Goulding. I am the public information manager at public works. And we'd really appreciate you having us. Yes. I'm muted. Tony Reddington. I'm, I'm from Ward three. And on the steering committee in word three and note that. We will at our July eighth meeting, we will be having a. Candidates form. For the candidates who are running for. To replace Brian pine for the ward three city council. So if you want to see, see some election. I'm going to go ahead and. I'm going to go ahead and select the selection of campaigning. July eighth. That's the data to tune into the NPA two three. Thank you. Thank you. Peter Ireland. Peter, I've asked you to unmute. And you're just going to have to click. There should be a prompt that comes up. I need to have to click something. Does that do it? Yep. Yes. I'm Peter Ireland. Ward four. Somebody raise your hand. Chris bear. Hi, Jeff. I'll Chris bear ward seven resident. Have we gotten everybody? I think Stephen Hamlin wanted to. Introduce Steve Hamlin ward seven resident. All right. So. We wanted to see if anyone had announcements at this point. And I will do one first because we wanted to get input from. Members of the NPA. Words four and seven about upcoming meetings. We will be kind of getting ready to. Have a hybrid meeting where we're half in person or. And half at the Miller center. Back where we had been in the past. And we're kind of working out some of the kinks of how that will operate. And then we'll get back to the Miller center. With town meeting TV and others and. I guess. I'd like to take a count of people that. Think that they would be coming back to the Miller center. And. Those that think that they would like to continue on with zoom. How could we get a good number? Yeah, everyone raise their hand if you're going to be coming to. The Miller center. So Liam, are you able to. Yeah, I'm counting. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Okay. We've got about 23 participants. So. You know, maybe half. We have some presenters tonight. That is good feedback. And what we're, we're doing is taking a couple of months to, to get prepared for that. And in, in years past, we've taken at least a month or two off in the summer. So we'll be taking. July and August off and be back in September as our plan. We'll be back in a couple of months. Okay. Sarah, go ahead and you can unmute. Did you have a question? Go ahead, Sarah. Yeah, I'm getting into the end moves. Two things that I wanted to. Throw out there and I don't want to do it. You know, we've had, we had really wonderful success with the meals group. And that draw a lot of people to the. NPAs. And so. You know, I think we've had a lot of great success with the meals group. And I hope that we can check in with them to see if there's still the interest in doing those public suffers. Prior to the NPA. I mean, probably not maybe till the fall, but I had heard there. The group was still interested in trying to do that. So I just think that's a piece of information. That's important for us. To figure out before we go. Kind of too much one way or the other. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. The other thing, and this is maybe a little bit premature in the agenda setting. Mark and I are going to talk about the redistricting. Resolution that will be considered at city council. Part of that resolution is to ask the NPAs. To appoint somebody to a committee that we think we're going to put together on redistricting. And I just, if that comes to be, I love us. I think it would be a good thing to have a conversation on the conversation of redistricting. Maybe towards the end of the summer. And I don't know if people would be open to that. I'm happy to help, but I think it would be a good thing. To have a conversation on it before the ad hoc. Committee gets going. So. I'm just sort of tossing that out there as. Something I'd like us to consider. Okay. Yeah. Definitely. You know, that is a big topic and you know, it sounds like it would be a, you know, at least an hour. Right. So I'm hoping maybe. Rather, it may be, and I'm just tossing this out here rather than our regular NPA. We could still consider. A conversation on the redistricting made around in the summer. As sort of a, what I'm going to call a special NPA meeting. So I hope we can be maybe open to that. Okay. I was wondering if, do you think that that would be a all words NPA meeting? Would that be. No, that, um, We're getting, and I can wait till we get to the thing, but one of the provisions of. The resolution we're considering on Monday is that each NPA. A point each ward appoint somebody to the committee. And the process would be the NPA would. If there's more than one person interested, that we would vote on that. So there would be a need to kind of vote on it. Personally, Mark and I were thinking that it would be also useful just to have an open ended conversation about what are the issues that could be looked at as part of the agenda of this NPA meeting. So it wouldn't be. Anything in particular, it would be just perhaps an open ended discussion to get feedback from everybody around. You know, what are you thinking? How do you like the system we have now? Are there things you'd like to see in a new system? That kind of conversation. And then a process to appoint somebody to a committee that will have the opportunity to really start digging into some details. And then ultimately come back to city council. All right. So Sarah, can, can we. Pick, pick up on that conversation during your agenda. Segment with particular attention. You and Mark can address some of the time sensitive steps. In that process. Yep. Okay. Thank you. Mark, does that allow us to add anything else for an announcement before we jump into the agenda? Oh, I guess I would add for the, all of our regular neighborhood. Neighbor attendees that. This is actually Liam's. Last meeting with us as our CEDAW? NPA liaison. He is. Moving on to bigger and brighter things. And we really have appreciated his work with us immensely. He's helped us make a good transition to a new active format here. And Liam, we all really appreciate the work that you have done for us. So thank you. Very much. I appreciate that. I was actually also, I wanted to let everyone know, since we just have so many new people in, if you'd like to talk, we've limited the ability to unmute yourselves. So if you want to talk, just raise your hand either this way or using the raise your hand function like I have done and I can unmute you for your segment. Is there anything you would like to elaborate on in terms of your future? As of right now, I'm actually going to hike the long trail in September. So I'm going back home to essentially help my grandparents out and train for the long trail. My home is in New York, in Southern New York, right outside of the city. So that's my current plan. I don't really have anything past that. We'll see what happens. Oh, well then you should know that Nancy and I are long trail shuttle drivers. So if you need assistance on the trail, you call us. That sounds great. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. Keep us in mind. I will, absolutely. And I've genuinely loved the Foreign Seven Steering Committee and the NPA itself. You all are a really active and lively bunch relative to some of the other NPAs. So it's been really lovely being at the meetings. Thanks, Liam. All right. Any other announcements? Amy, I see your hand up. Sure. And maybe this is already on the agenda. I know on the Facebook forum, there was some concern about some graffiti, some racist graffiti at CP Smith and some other things along the bike path. So I don't know if this is the right place to talk about it or if it's already been found on the agenda or if people are aware of it. So I just want to raise it. And then if we can add it to the agenda or if someone else already has a plan to talk about it. Well, we have the DPW folks later. And Sarah has her hands up. Well, just to let everyone know that the three city councils from North, we did have a meeting on it today. And we met with the Pride Center. And we have a couple of thoughts about things that we'd like to see happen. So I'd like two minutes to talk about it. Not a lot tonight. But I think there's a number of proactive things that we need to think about doing in the future. Great. Thank you. Jeff, I just have a quick comment. I've had a lot of people ask me where their updated and grieved tax assessed values are. And I'm told through sort of the rumor mail that the city's behind and is distributing, I think for July 1st. So I'll transition from announcements to city council with a question. Do any of you know if that's true? People are going to see it. And I assume there's a 14-day grievance. And I assume it's going to be a cluster because tax bills also come out on the 1st. I've been away for a week. The last they do, they were supposed to come out this week. So I have not inquired any further about the delay because I wasn't expecting it till now or the end of a few days. We can certainly do that and try to let people know. You guys may not know. I just thought I'd ask if you didn't. I mean, you'll have 14 days from whenever you received the letter. So I don't think that slows down the appeals. And as I understand it, 14 days to appeal it. But then they've got a set of hearing which may take lots of weeks if there's lots of people. So as I understand it, that's sort of irrelevant. But it doesn't coincide with the timeline of the tax bills and wouldn't even if it came out this week. So as Matt did, why don't we start with the city counselors? And we do not have the school board commissioners here this evening. So we have a little bit more time in elected officials if you'd like it. So I'm looking at the numbers. And the three of you could have 15 minutes if you'd like. Or we can adjust as we go too. But I just want to be fair with you a lot of time. And Sarah, since you're right at the top, if you want to get started, that would be great. Sure. I clearly don't think I need 15 minutes then. In part because this has been, in fact, a very busy month for the council. But it's really been all budget centered. We've just had a whole series of meetings, special meetings on the budget, walking through each department and each division. And staff did a great thorough job. But that has taken a lot of bandwidth to just and particularly for me, since it's my well, it's really my first full budget season. If you recall, last year we went into crisis mode because of COVID. So we'd gone in with a series of principles. We had a target reduction of the budget. And we had some principles about not trying to lay off people. So it was a very different procedure. This year, we're back to proposing, hopefully, sort of pre-COVID programming, trying to keep up at least the level to where we were in 2019. So that's really been all of the discussion. And a lot of time spent reviewing each single department. And all of us, I've had a lot of time both for input but absorbing of all of that. I mean, there's a lot to cover. It's probably easier to ask questions than review each division. As I said, the intent was to really focus on sort of pre-COVID operations. And hopefully we're there. We're having to make up a chunk of that is going to be with federal money. I think it's about $3 million right now. But there's still more to be decided. There's some special initiatives within the budget. Probably the two biggest are more attention and support for racial equity initiatives and our fairly new racial equity and belonging office. So that's been a new target. And then there are new initiatives within the police department, in particular hiring up to 10 community service officers, which will provide a variety of functions within the department intended to really transform the department, have unarmed personnel available for the number of complaints that we get and be responsive. And then there's a placeholder within the budgeting process for recommendations, as we call. We have two consultants out there that are looking at a variety of issues. Those won't come back until early July. And so we're sort of waiting to see what their recommends are. And there's a placeholder number for that. Another new initiative as part of that is, again, a little bit of a placeholder, but an approach to add a more targeted, I guess you would say, mental health component. Again, in particular, responding and working with law enforcement, we all know that often, as a last resort, folks are called in, police are called in to situations that really aren't needed for them. What we need are trained professionals to respond, somewhat like the Street Outreach Program, which is really targeted at just Church Street. And this would be community-wide and hopefully partnering with some state organizations, so that might go beyond Burlington. Some of you may have read there's a program in the state of Oregon called CAHOOTS, which has been very successful in responding to persons in crisis. And we just need to figure out an appropriate professional way to do that. So that's another placeholder in terms of new initiatives. And a more modest one that I've been working on a lot is support for the city accessibility committee. The accessibility committee is sort of fizzled out. And I've been working with a group of neighbors, primarily around how to get Letty Beach more accessible. I know that's the right response. The Park Department is going to try a very temporary option this summer to soften the entrance or exit or access to the beach from the end of the path. That's not really acceptable and is not permanent. And again, we've been working with the Park Department to hopefully, over the course of the summer and fall, get a plan and a number. And the number is going to be big to get true accessibility into the park and as well kind of support the accessibility committee more generally so that they have some technical expertise as projects come up with the city. And we can beef up the lens that things get looked at. From. And then I guess we already brought up. But finally, as I mentioned today, the three city councilors met with members of the Pride Center to talk about how do we deal with the hateful stuff that's been going on in our neighborhood. It's been a series of stickering and just hateful stickers around, particularly the park area and the public areas. And then we had a really horrible incidence where there was hateful graffiti put in one of the playgrounds, which got corrected shortly. But I think it's coming to a head about how can we work together as a neighborhood, as a community to be more welcoming. And we're not collectively doing a great job on that. And some of the things we talked about actually is to try to have a focused NPA with some of the groups like the Pride Center and outright Vermont has one option. We've talked about maybe a community meeting where we try to come together and figure out how can we more proactively combat some of this and make ourselves more welcoming. The city councilors themselves talked about our own personal need to be better educated. Max Tracy joined us and we've talked about having a work session this summer with the city councilors and, again, folks from the Pride Center and other places to remind us of actually a resolution we all adopted in 2019, supporting inclusion. But obviously have not been working. So I think kind of going forward, any ideas from members about how we sort of tackle this problem would be greatly appreciated. I did see Mark earlier. Would you want to pass it on? Sure, Sarah. Mark. Thank you. I'll also add on budget-related items, two items that I think are of interest to the New North End. One is, in the budget, there's funding for two urban park rangers. And these will be positions that will be responsible for responding to some of the issues we've had at Letty Beach for fires, but also off-leash dog incidents and really being ambassadors in the park and doing education as well. So this is really exciting, I think, to have this capability available to us in the parks. And so that's in the budget for this year. Additionally, we are getting full funding for Penny for Parks. The parks during the epidemic have been intensively used. And there's a lot of deferred maintenance and upkeep that needs to continually be done. That's what Penny for Parks is for. And so that'll be fully funded this year. And so those are two things that I think are really exciting. I'll pivot now to something I wanted to talk about last month, but I wasn't able to attend the NPA. And it's actually more timely this month anyways, because it's been deliberated by the DPW Commission and by the Transportation Energy and Utility Committee of the City Council. And that's consolidated collection. And so the current model for trash collection and organic collection and recycling is, well, for organics and trash, it's a subscription model. And there are licensed haulers in the city that are allowed to solicit business from residents. And residents decide whether or not they want to subscribe to these services with individual haulers. And the city, additionally, is responsible for all the recycling. So under consolidated collection, under true consolidated collection, a single hauler would be responsible for all three waste streams. And so we've been sort of batting this concept around. There was a study. There was a couple of resolutions over the years that the City Council has made to study this. Additionally, there was a study done by an outfit that was GBB, and it's an acronym whose three letter last names I can't recall right now, but it's beside the point. And they essentially did a consolidated collection study for Burlington and South Burlington. They made some recommendations about a franchise model where the city would contract with a hauler, or one or more haulers, to basically collect trash in different parts of the city. And so this has been deliberated at a couple of Duke meetings that I've been involved with, and additionally at the Public Works Commission. There's two variations on this. One is the franchise model I talked about, but the City Council had asked DPW to also look at a municipal model where the city, in addition to doing recycling, would also take over the trash and organic waste streams as well. And so DPW Commission met last week, and they approved a staff recommendation from DPW for what they called a hybrid franchise model, which would be the city retains the recycling responsibilities, and one or more haulers would be contracted to do a trash collection and organic collection. Duke met last night, and they took a different take on it, which was that we passed in a two-to-one vote a motion to have the City Council look at a municipal model. And so the next step for this is for the full City Council to deliberate the matter. And so that's sort of a big change for everybody, and there'll be a lot more about that, I would say, in the next month. Should it pass? And I'm not sure when the City Council will get to this even, but I'm guessing it'll be later in the summer. And I guess that's all I have for now, and I'll pass it on to Ali. Thanks, Mark. Hello, everyone, and thank you for the NPAs, and I think with the consolidation model, the collection model, I think, I've been in communication with leaders of the unions. I think they have been an integral part of this discussion, and the leaders, we have a great conversation, and I wanted to understand it also, Chapin and I will be meeting on Tuesday to talk about this further. And I think the issue that we have in this City, most of the time, is committees and commissions. They make a lot of decisions, but we do not involve the community members into the discussion. I think it will be beneficial for new NorthEnders to at least have a conversation about what do they think, what are the models, and I think we can facilitate it, or the NPAs can do it. I think it will be very beneficial for everyone. Yes, one thing that I think it will be worth mentioning here as part of the budget is there is also a $75,000 added to the budget in terms of neighborhood traffic, calming processes that never existed before. People used to wait at least four years in order for them to have the city take action. But the $75,000, it does not necessarily mean there would be a camel hump, I don't know how do you call them, to monitor speeding, but I think the mayor directed TPW to look into all the alternatives of making sure that all the neighborhoods are safe and cars are not speeding very well. Yeah, and I think talking about the budget two years ago, the general fund was about $82 million. And yes, last year it was about $82 million. And this year the general funds alone, the property taxes and the taxes from the businesses is about $87 million of the city of Burlington as collected. So as you know, the budget vote is scheduled to take place on Monday the 28th. And I think that discussion there, we all think that it would pass because extensive amount of discussion has been happening and city councils were fighting for things that they wanted to see. And I think it would pass anonymously. I am confident to that. So as part of the budget also, as you know, two years ago, 21% of the city budget, general fund budget was going to the police department, right? Last year it was about 19%. But this year it is specific to only 17% of the city general fund will go to the police department. And of those, there is at least $400,000 allocated to what said, I've talked about the CAHOOT model. Those are known police officers, but that can respond to mental health issues that Burlingtonians are experiencing. I think that's a good thing, right? And also the CSOs, 10 of them are in the process of getting hired. And I think they will also work to provide some support to a two-street marketplace. And because it's concerning when shards are being fired and 20 minutes later, it's when people take their funds to call the police. I think that's the biggest concern that I have ever experienced in the city of Burlington. But with these CSOs, we think that they could respond to some of those issues. And you all know, also in the community here, we talked about the DOC task force. So the new North End city concerns, we included the community and we crafted a resolution that the city council passed and referred it to PAC. So PAC was supposed to meet on the 21st, but unfortunately we could not meet because of these new guidelines that now we have to meet in person. The logistics were not in place, not only for PAC, but for many other city committees as well. But we hopefully think that by next week, logistics will be in place and committees will start to meet. And there will be also the option of meeting in person and also remotely for those who wanna participate. And starting on the 28th next Monday, I believe that the city council will be meeting in person. And we are already talking about who's going to sit where. Now we have two independents and the logistics and I think the city and including Max Tracy are working proactively to provide the pilot comeback in person. So I think there is one issue that is very important that I believe if it's not right now, it will come eventually over time. This issue is specific to the airport. The airport of Burlington is currently being run and managed by the city of Burlington. It is an enterprise front, meaning that the Burlington taxpayers are not allocating money to that entity, but they just raise money through grants, through federal grants, through fees for the aircrafts and all the businesses at the airport. Now there is this mention that maybe some people are already pushing for our airport to become regional owned and operated. So there are so many models that people are talking about. There are so many models also out there around the nation and there is not a specific model that we say this one is the best. But I think the Burlington city council anonymously send a message saying that we want to keep our airport local and we wanna keep on running it and operating it. And I think the borders of Burlington also approved a ballot item requesting for Winiski, the city of Winiski to now have a representative at the airport commission, which is a wonderful thing we are trying to meet. But sooner or later that conversation will be hard, but I think it will be important for us to at least have this conversation right now. And I think that is it. Anything else that the city own? Both Carpenter and Mark, well, I think Carpenter only talked about it and it's the stickering, it is this graffiti happening. There is also one other issue that has not been public and I have done, I think a great job to not put it publicly yet. As you know, our neighbors here at Franklin Square are experiencing hardship and it's been happening for quite some time. Their cars are being vandalized by knife, right? And their home windows, they receive sometimes rocks being thrown on it, right? And they've been called the language because there are a lot of Asians there, there are a lot of people of color that live at Franklin Square. So I worked in collaboration with Wellington Housing Authority and the police department. And I think DPW2 has updates that they will provide. So tomorrow at 5 p.m. pizza will be provided. And I think the community members also can show up to show Franklin Square people that we love you, we want you here. Whoever's doing this, the police also is investigating this matter. This is not public and it will be better for us to just come together and make them understand that we are here, we are neighbors and not only they live in a residential low income neighborhood, they should be forgotten. And that also update that I'm pretty sure Rob, Goldman and team will be talking about as well. So I'm gonna leave it to that and thank you. Thank you and I'll go over to Carol Lody in state reps. So we've used up the time from our city, our school board members. Okay, hi. I thought I'd go over some things that we have passed in the house and legislature. The first one is Vermont's water quality standards. We have a new law now and it's relating to Vermont standards for issuing a clean water act section 401 certification. It passed the house and the Senate overwhelmingly and was signed by the governor and it puts in place evaluation tools that the state needs to assess large projects that require federal licensing or permits, such as proposed oil or gas pipeline projects. And the bill, the law also clarifies the longtime interpretation and practice that Vermont's water quality standards apply to all of Vermont's surface waters, rivers, streams, lakes, ponds and wetlands. All those things are surface waters. We did pass a law prohibiting forever chemicals from consumer products rather than limiting from some consumer products, rather than limiting our solutions by cleaning up a mess that's already made. We have prevented toxic substances, PFAS, from entering our state in four products that pose the highest risk to Vermont's well-being, including food packaging, fire extinguisher foam, and firefighting, firefighter protective equipment, rugs and carpets and ski wax. So in this way, we're protecting Vermonters from toxic chemicals and preventing future harm to the environment and public health. We still have quite a bit of work to do in this area. However, that's a great step in the right direction. We, in agriculture, we have a new, we have an older law, Act 148, which is Vermont's universal recycling law, which now we're not supposed to put our food scraps into our trash. So, and we've heard about pickup in Burlington being discussed at the city council and the city level. So there are some food scraps that are being fed to chickens. And that is a great thing. And however, there were some issues with, with whether compost, whether the chickens could get that, those materials. And there were issues with Act 250 solid waste permitting. And so the decision we made to call the food scraps and agricultural input, and that exempted them from Act 250 solid waste permitting. And then, but they are subject to the agricultural's required agricultural practices. And so we have an elegant solution to what had been a difficult problem for a while. So we're having more compost created by the chickens and eating that compostable products. And we food scraps. And we're keeping them out of the landfills. And they'll have to follow those strict agricultural practice regulations. Now we have created a new agricultural innovation board. That's another thing we've done. And it's going to be looking, it's going to take on the tasks of the Vermont pesticide advisory council and the Vermont seed review committee. They're going to look at pesticide use and how to reduce it. And the use of agricultural plastic and how to transition to more biodegradable materials. Vermont is the only state that has a seed review committee. That allows for the review of the seed traits of a new agricultural plant. And we've created this committee in the last biennium. In response to the use of dicamba, which is a pest controlling herbicide in other parts of the country. We are going to take a more holistic approach to soil health and pesticide use. It's all about the soil. Good soil. Good soil is good for so many reasons. And one of the reasons is that it sequesters carbon, but it's, it's just the key. Okay. So, um, we also did, um, did work on, uh, transportation and which helps the transportation sector. And which helps with climate. Um, we have fair feed transit. Excuse me. Buses statewide. We've not been able to make that a permanent policy, but we've been able to make it an annual policy for the second straight year. Amtrak is coming to Burlington. And we worked to create the Amtrak, Ethan Allen expressed from Rutland to New York city. And it's expansion to Burlington. Um, we are helping the. Multi-multi unit part apartment houses. To get charging stations for electric vehicles. We have tripled the funds for electric vehicle incentives. Although those are income tested. So a single person earning less than $50,000 is eligible for $50,000. For incentives of $3,000 for a plug-in hybrid. And $4,000 for an electric vehicle. And for incomes of 50,000 to 100,000, the incentives are 1500 and to that 1,500, respectively. And for couples fly filing jointly, the incentives are the same. Only the cap is one 25,000. So if you have a car that is much smart and replace your ride. If you have less than 80% of medium income. The incentive is 25% for fuel efficient car replacing a clunker. An older car. Emissions repair program for low income Vermonters. The eligibility is the same as for life. If you, if you qualify for life. If you have a car worth at least $2,500, and it passes all other inspection requirements, we will help pay for emissions repair. If you're not passing your emissions risk inspection. We've required all state paving projects to have to pave shoulders for bicycle lanes. And we have an incentive program for by electric bicycles. With the same eligibility. The incentive is the same as for the tripling and funds for the EV incentives, which are income tested. But it's limited to the first 250 people who apply and the incentive is $200 each. We've also. We, we have been addressing racial wealth disparities to begin a process of economic exploitation and exclusion from economic opportunity. So our house commerce committee. Engaged black, indigenous and persons of color. Businesses and community leaders across Vermont. To inform and develop legislation to create the BIPOC business development project. In age 159. And that invests 150,000 in a process to be delivered by BIPOC. Excuse me, and may include the creation of minority business development center or authority. And it's hopefully going to provide technical support for BIPOC businesses and the procurement of state contracts. It will improve language access and cultural competency practices within state economic development programs. And strengthen state data collection. To better serve the variety of identities. And that's something that's going to help the BIPOC community. It will help the BIPOC community. It will help the BIPOC community represented within the BIPOC community. And Burlington has. Thriving BIPOC community. And anytime there's anything that is going to help the BIPOC community, it will help our residents. And. I've been very involved since I started in the legislature on the, in the women's caucus. I've been involved in the legislature. I've been involved in the correctional facilities that women. Oh, okay. I have only 30 seconds. I'll tell you about that the next time, but we're doing some good work there. Okay. Thank you, Bob Hooper. Excellent job, Carol. Highlighting a lot of very important things that we're doing. The environmental stuff in particular. I think it's a nice, you know, I think it's going to be very difficult for the agencies to, to get chemicals into people's hands. I think that when we. Means test it, we make a decision about whether or not we're going to get an electric vehicle out there. Or whether we're going to. Be conscious of who buys it. I think that's. Impeding the program a little bit myself. The bike rebate thing. I think will be well received. you don't have access to a bike you might like that is not available locally and being able to use the program which is good for local business, cuts down on the number of bikes that are available to people. Another thing that we did BIPOC-wise is create kind of an opportunity for BIPOC members to get in on the marijuana production program it's it's going to be pretty narrow it's going to be pretty limited but the rationale for it was a lot of the people that are in jail nationally for related offenses having to be the same people that have been kind of earmarked for punishment over some others. I want to particularly talk about what we did today which you know a lot of people realize we went down we went down to Montpelier via our bedrooms or basements or attics and voted on a couple of bills today that the governor had decided he didn't like enough and vetoed them. I have a strange position and I front porch forum came out today many of you have probably read it but I support the governor's position that in the context of non-citizens voting in local elections it's a great idea to have a uniform code that basically says the towns that want to adopt it and I think this will be an issue that we'll be talking about here soon this is what the committee is going to accept as far as parameters I voted for the override because I don't think we should have to wait for people like neighbors of mine who have been here raised kids paid taxes you know been here a long long time to get input into the local government I think when a lot of people think about this and I've already gotten some emails saying you voted for this you're you're wrong people think about recent immigrants but it's not that necessarily there are people that are in Burlington itself who have been here for decades that have an allegiance to their country of origin they have not applied for a citizenship here they deserve to have a right to speak to what happens in the town that they live in and to some degree where their tax dollars are being spent so you know I'm certainly eager to hear from you all about what your thoughts are the house overrode the veto today by a vote I think Carol 103 to 47 or something like that pretty much a party line vote but it's good to move forward I think we had talked about gypsy moth that's a state sort of program where they spray not a herbicide not an insecticide but a mold spore sort of early in the season too late to do that now but I'm spending a lot of time scraping gypsy moth poof off my cars which is something I'd rather not be doing so I hope next year we can get this coordinated early enough that we can mount an assault on them a little bit and counselor Ali mentioned the airport and the bill did not go forward this year came out of gov ops as most of these charter change things do it added a Winooski resident it had got passed by the house it also added another burlington resident so that the majority of the people on the airport commission could continue to be burlingtonians because we own the property that the airport is on as the city and Ali's 100 right it's funded by a mixture of so many different sources national guard faa people that do business there both in the actually the passenger side of it is is pretty small even burlington high school the regional technical center has property there for their airport mechanic program that didn't go forward out of the senate and it will be taken up probably again next year because people from the senate who are interested in forcing the airport to become a regional entity didn't want to vote for it so this is this is something i think that's going to be on the table next year and you know we should be aware of it i think unless people have questions that's probably all i'd like to talk about thanks bob if anyone has questions i see jenna with her hand up first unmute jenna thanks i just want to say thank you to bob and carole and everyone in that house um who passed h106 i think the governor just sent it into law so it's act 67 and part of that was um including funding for local food purchasing for schools so it's great that we're dedicating some funds to schools to support our local farmers and food producers so thank you for passing that that was really exciting carole and i were both out on the front steps just yelling and screaming to get that going through right carole it's important i think that you know local businesses particularly we've learned in the context of this covid pandemic that keeping things going locally becomes a very important thing because if if the trucks don't start coming to burlington on a regular basis our shelves go empty and that's not a good thing well and it's getting more of that food to the kids too so that's really exciting yeah actually i wanted to just add in that almost every year i go before the house appropriations committee to testify in support of funding for farm to school and for food for children so jeff comstock um yes i'm wondering if if bob and or ali could provide us with a little more background on this discussion about regionalization pressure for the airport so what is the context of that discussion and where is that pressure coming from that that kind of background i think would be helpful thank you jeff ali spoke more about pressure than i know about uh and i'll let him fill in details if he's still here um but i think a lot of it is coming from f-35 context because people think that they don't have necessarily input into what's happening at the airport where decisions are made and quite frankly that is nothing to do with it i don't think um and the just the general governance thing um the south burlington representative was added a couple of decades ago uh it took a very long time to get to the point where the wanouski uh people were offered a voice at the table which should have happened a long time ago too i used to live in an apartment in woosky uh wanouski right by the airport and i swear i could see people uh drinking their last bit of sodas they were coming in for a landing out the apartment window um so you know we're moving to incorporate other people's opinions and you know build a governance structure that's bigger but uh there are definitely some people that want uh regional control with without burlington having the the basic uh ability to say no because it is our property i've heard over and over that um there's annoyance that burlington owns property in south burlington but a lot of people own property in south burlington and so we just happened to own the the airport sounds like any other business in south burlington i mean just happens to be owned by somebody that's the next town over all right thank you um sylvia night i you had yours up earlier well ali might have something else to say on where okay ali during it comes from i have a question for ali yeah um sorry i the new meeting stuff is a little bit but i think i think the question about where this come from is maybe to look into whoever entered this bill the legislation i think it's a good good good concept but i completely also agree with uh representative hooper that this is more than just excuse me sorry this is more than just about the economy of the airport the airport is doing very well and the airport if it's doing very well also uh we you know we allocate there was maybe 72 acres to begin with but now the airport has owned over 400 or 200 acres you know and and there is a legal memo i would ask our city attorney if this can be shared publicly and for those who are interested i'll be sure to send it to your steering committee and maybe you can disseminate but it should be on board dock um that uh a report that ellen pre part two years ago we could not talk about it because of covet but we talked about it at our last meeting a little bit and we did not go into executive session because city councils were not interested even in hearing about this but we accepted the communication and placed it on file and also added a language that we don't want to reorganization uh regionalization we want to keep it local owned and operated by yeah thank you so the and sarah will your questions be quickly we're running i think so okay great thank you i have a question for ellie i can you tell me here or do you want to tell me in an email whether the city has settled uh with the melee brothers for the abuse they they received in 2019 yes um thank you and uh i think i did ask our city attorney maybe a months ago but before she leaves she said she would prepare something for the food council so as you all know eileen is leaving the city i think as of july 1st but i thank you for the reminder i'll circle back with her and just see where we are at uh because there was not only that specific but there were also all the cases that the city was involved and she would prepare a memo for all of us but i'll be sure to update you i'm very interested thank you ellie and i wanted to ask um sarah about the redistricting i'm i'm i feel like i'm missing something here is the redistricting in the city or is it the state redistricting i'm not clear about that harry you're muted yeah uh the resolution which we'll talk about in a few minutes would be just for the city the state it as well will also have to deal with redistricting which we would be that would be separate from this and i was just going to point out what what council jane that there's a fairly complete report on four docs we can get it to you about um uh different options around the airport and i think it just it got brought up for two reasons one of which is eileen did all the work and she's leaving so she wanted to talk to us about it and in the context of the discussion of the charter change it's been talked about so that's really the two reasons okay thank you quick point uh yeah redistricting was just the first thing on my list and of course i skipped over it um the information that we have early so far is that there's going to be a radical change to things in the northwest corner of the state because that's where people seem to be moving uh so when we get the final data uh it might very well be a big uh toss up of who goes where and what happens because so many people were moving into chicken county and moving out of a lot of the other areas to stay particularly the south and the east so i'll try to keep people posted what we hear on front porch forum thank you thank you everyone um we're going to move on to our next topic we have a couple folks from dpw bob golding and i think we have norm baldwin norm you're filling in for shape and spencer yep that's correct so thank you welcome to the both of you we were asking you to um and you had asked to present to us about um construction going on in the new north end we're always um anxious to hear about other areas of the city too because we're an island out here in the new north end and you do have to go through the city to get out here so we like to hear about um the the ways we get out to our island and um if you could also um we were we have another segment on champlain parkway you're going to address that is thank you yeah thanks thank you folks for having us we really appreciate it we did reach out um ask if we could update you on construction and certainly we'll do that talk a little bit about the city overall construction as well um my colleague city engineer norm baldwin will talk about the champlain parkway we also asked if we could talk about consolidated collection so it's a little bit of an unconventional approach with three topics uh counselor barlow did a fantastic job of updating folks where we are as a city so maybe i'll speed even quickly even more quickly through that since i know time is limited it's all right i'll share my screen and uh kind of launch into this and we will fit this into um to the time allotted so as counselor barlow mentioned we have been undertaking a consolidated collection study for quite a while now uh the city council directed us to look at consolidated collection models whereby we would you know look at unifying trash compost and organics collection throughout the city to capture some of those efficiencies that we expect to come from such an approach um you know there are many different ways communities around the country do this we undertook this study with the help of a consultant as well as a lot of in-house research um basically what we found is burlington is in one of the uh kind of vast minorities of communities around the united states that doesn't really consolidate its approach to waste management as i think most of the folks on this call know the city picks up your recycling but then homeowners property owners are responsible for figuring out your trash collection and your compost collection or you know drop off options if that's what you would say so there are about 83 percent of communities from a national survey that was conducted uh where we determined that there is a consolidated collection approach in the vast majority of communities that were surveyed around the united states what we know from what we've learned in interviews with other communities from our consultants work and work we've done on our own is that there are real benefits that can be captured with a consolidated collection approach you can see what we've listed here as i think a big overview of what those are reduced costs we would expect to residents through the collection through more efficient collection routes with pickup of all three of your waste streams reduced environmental impacts we're consolidating routes expect to see less truck traffic and less vehicle miles travel we would hope to see an increase in safety and certainly reduced impact on city infrastructure um you can see a couple other things we list there i'm just going to speed through this but we also think quality of life and resident convenience could be captured through consolidated we are looking you see one of the last notes on the screen because i think this is a main concern of many we are looking at and studying and figuring out how an opt-out mechanism works in this model because i know quite a lot of folks like to manage their own waste and we don't want to exclude that as we study how that could work in a system like this there were four different approaches that we looked at some that we were originally looking at others that the two asked us to you know to continue studying or to add to what we were studying very briefly i'll just say there was the franchise model where we franchise out zones to specific haulers around the city and while there might be multiple haulers serving the city there's only one hauler serving specific zones still capturing reduced truck traffic in these on the franchise model but we would also bid against the haulers to see what came out kind of on top in that scenario it's actually how recycling started in the city generation generation and a half ago there was the municipal operation model where the city would do everything we would pick up recycling trash compost we would provide all the billing all the customer service it would require quite a capital expenditure up front we would need to hire more staff buy more equipment and reconstruct a building since our current building would not be able to house this kind of operation finally we ended on a hybrid model where the city would continue providing recycling but then we would franchise out the rest of the city again via zones where distinct haulers in each zones would pick up the remaining waste streams still capturing the efficiencies of one hauler per neighborhood excuse me one hauler per neighborhood for those two waste streams it's still working in on a system where you would only see truck traffic on one day per week there are operational things to work out so nothing is set in stone per se i'm not going to focus too much on this slide other than to direct you to that kind of last row to show you the anticipated resident monthly cost in the two kind of very distinct models the municipal only model and the franchise model costs are somewhat comparable you can see a quick rundown there these are early estimates and i think we uh as we work through this want to put more kind of meat on the bones to bring to the full council when we go as councillor barlow said nothing scheduled but perhaps in july um what we wound up recommending after a significant amount of study and evaluation was this hybrid model where the city continued providing recycling services and we would figure out the right franchise system for the remaining two waste streams we still believe this really gets us to where we want to be from an efficiency perspective from a cost to resident perspective and and the environmental impacts that we hope would be lessened by this kind of consolidated approach it also starts us off in a quicker timeline as there would be less to do up front to bring this to provision provides future flexibility also maintains the private haulers who themselves are distinct businesses operating in burlington and uh you know still improves the efficiency and the cost effectiveness for residents this is a lot of information so i don't expect you to absorb all of this right now i safe of time we'll just move on and let you know as councillor barlow said dpw commission did support the recommendation we brought forward with a hybrid approach five to one uh vote and the two last night the transportation energy utilities committee did recommend the city model uh to go forward to the city council in two to one vote city council will take this up maybe in july and they will probably want to hear from us a little bit about all the models they will make their own decision potentially one of the four we've presented potentially something different and or ask us for more information and to come back at a future time nothing is set in stone and we do want to continue to hear from folks um so there is some opportunity coming up a just to let us know if you have any clear thoughts let your city councillors know for sure and come to that city council meeting this is a timeline of what things could look like if we were to implement a hybrid approach with respect to kind of a two three year timeline horizon um definitely one if you're more from you if you have thoughts and certainly if there's questions today we we should have absolutely take those i'm gonna move on unless it makes sense for any you know steering committee wants us to stop for questions now walk you through our construction season and then city engineer baldwin will walk you through the champlain park we are uh kind of at the tail end of the 2016 sustainable infrastructure plan that the mayor council and dpw brought forward it was voted on over one voted for overwhelmingly and funded by the public this level of funding allowed us to triple sidewalk reconstruction over the last five years we've nearly doubled our normal paving average paving about 20 of the city over this time frame um you know for one of the first times in recent memory we've had an emphasis on proactive water main repairs through replacement or relining of these pipes it's really important to do to avoid water main breaks in a very old city we are however nearing the end of this funding so uh to sustain the work of the last four years and we get it we hear from people all the time you don't do enough we hear from people who understand we've been doing quite a bit more over the last four years the either way to sustain the level of funding hopefully you've seen over these four years more funding will be necessary mayor and council did recently allocate more funds for sidewalks in 2021 so we will yet again triple our investment in sidewalks however this is a community conversation that will evolve and we encourage you to let us your city counselors and the mayor's office know where you stand on that because I think it's important we all have uh get to weigh in on the work we've done and the work you know you may ask us to do over these coming years we do look at other ways to fund projects we're working with the state right now on the shelter and roundabout a federally state funded project where we're still going to capture a significant amount of um reinvestment in the city with a less impact on the Burlington taxpayer or ratepayers as far as specific benefits and impacts construction brings impacts to the city in the new north end of put together what is kind of a tentative list things can always change based on weather based on um any kind of issues with funding that we don't foresee on sidewalks at this point or any urgent issues that arise but we have a pretty you know extensive list of segments of streets in the new north end that are uh going to be reconstructed uh sidewalks will be reconstructed again I just want to highlight these are parts of the following segments uh it could be anywhere from 20 linear feet I think we have one on this list that's like a thousand linear feet and if you are interested in knowing more about any of these specific streets uh Burlington BT.gov backslash construction I'll show that URL later but that'll give you a clear view of where things are happening in the city and in the new north end going to keep moving just in the interest of time people are very passionate and we understand about sidewalks so I just share with you that we are undertaking kind of a once in every five-year effort where we are back out there conducting a sidewalk inventory some mechanical assessment of all 130 miles of sidewalk it'll measure every dip, crevice, and crack we overlay that data onto kind of our existing data we score it with impacts to pedestrians impact and proximity to senior centers with a variety of different kinds of uh deficiencies that we find in sidewalks whether they're cracks whether there are great issues we take all of that data we use that in conjunction with field visits by engineers and maintenance specialists and your reports whether it comes in through c-click kits or customer service all of that informs every year's list with the funding that is available and again we have 130 miles of sidewalk and with the enhanced funding we've had we get to do about three miles a year that's a relatively sustainable cycle of sidewalk replacement but we are catching up to a long deferred list of sidewalks do want to share an important message about paving we had a long stretch of the middle section of North Avenue from Ethan Allen Parkway to Schruer Road scheduled for repaving this year because of some challenging issues on that segment it did take quite a while for detailed engineering to be done to address as I think many folks on this call know long-standing stormwater and drainage challenges because of some of that work which did take a while to get done we also only really received one bid which was extraordinarily high compared to what our estimate said it should have been the paving on North Ave is likely to be delayed from this year to hopefully next year to keep momentum behind this project we will be using in-house labor which we didn't anticipate doing to do the stormwater work to make structural adjustments all critical work to be done before a paving project actually officially happens and normally the paving contractor we would ask the paving contractor as part of the contract to do a lot of that work we'll be doing that this year to make sure this project comes in at hopefully the reasonable cost and can be done as quickly as possible we anticipate rebigging that project later this year to kind of supplement some of the concerns around the city we will be pursuing patch paving bids first for this year including on the belt line there are some other paving projects going on so i don't want to confuse you in the new north end they're basically under separate contracts tallwood lakewood are scheduled for paving later this year or potentially early next year based on its connection to a sewer the sewer replacement project that's going on on lakewood later this year after the ring gardens are installed on that street paving is also happening on the lower section of north ave which is the continuation of 2020 work i do see a hand i'm wondering if folks want me to take that now or if i should keep going you can it's about the slide you have up now so it's your choice sure thing yeah happy to happy to address that well when the bike lane was added to north avenue it seemed like one of the things that was deficit was that the contractor did not um taper the asphalt to the drain so we ended up with pools of water everywhere there shouldn't have been and the drains necessarily dry and when it froze it was pools of ice how do we make sure that doesn't happen when these projects are done again that there's proper drainage into this into the drain systems we do we do have on-site inspection during these projects the the project you're referencing probably predates me and for the if city engineer bald ones prepare to address that specific question thank you you're welcome might be muted so your specific concern is that you have drop-in lists that are effectively too high and are receiving drainage correct uh basically it just looked like there was no uniformity of of drain angle in the whole system i mean if you you look at the intersection where you go into the hanaford there was a huge puddle area there that probably was 50 feet the drain was actually dry so grading was apparently yep that section north avenue and this is why we did some deep dive analysis is extremely flat making it extremely challenging for that system to collect runoff and get to the drop-in lists effectively efficiently without having bird bass as you've described and so that deep dive occurred this past year which put us in a position where it was late to get the design complete with the with all the changes to storm water improvements that and we were we felt it important that this be a priority in this year's paving program so we waited on the paving bids to submit once that design was complete normally we put the paving bids out in january february to get competitive pricing and this year we put it out in april which put us at a disadvantage with the competitive pricing coupled with the fact that we normally have three large contractors who perform paving operations and our scope of work included paving operations in civil work for their structural adjustments and one of those paving contractors elected into the bid because the complexity of that work they want to focus on paving and make make money and what they're good at and so that that was a challenge i think our response to that was these prices are 60 70 percent more than what you would recently expect it just wasn't reasonable for us to to award that work so we're deferring that work for paving but we are actively looking to continue this product through the use of our own forces to complete the storm water work that's in advance of that paving so we are actively trying to see that this thing gets done as soon as reasonably possible while still not being irresponsible with city funds i think we might have to move on to um the shambling parkway yep while we have you norm perfect so i will uh i've got a i'm gonna be as brief as rob and as smooth and as fishing as rob and share with you my presentation thank you thank you folks let's see here we go can everyone see that yes okay perfect so this is a very much abbreviated slideshow but i thought it important that people kind of get a sense of what is the parkway and what are the the product limits this is just an introduction uh slide what is the shambling parkway the shambling parkway really is effectively a city street uh two lanes one in each direction 25 miles an hour and making reuse of pine street with significant improvements to all the things that are important to the community particularly pedestrian access and all different modes being properly accommodated you'll see here this is the the project itself to give you some sense of bearing this is route 7189 this is main street and pine street pine street corridor uh lakeside avenue and then what would be proposed is the new segment of the parkway which is called contract to norm is there a presentation mode that you could hit uh or Liam i could probably do that maybe this is where i sometimes really lie on go to that bottom right norm and left left there you go okay all right thank you so this is the uh the uh corridor what what are the project goals well the project goals are to improve access from 19 routes seven interchange to the central business district to the downtown waterfront area it's to improve circulation improve mobility improve safety on local streets in the product study area and provide relief in the southwest quadrant of the city there's a lot of commercial traffic large heavy commercial traffic service out of like for instance global global which is a distribution center for fuel and reduce the disruption of local neighborhoods and look through local traffic street traffic and as i said reduce truck traffic in the neighborhood so this system is a focus on improving pedestrian safety through exclusive pet phases basically when i don't know people are familiar with exclusive pet phase but effectively all traffic is stopped to allow people to cross in every direction filling in the gaps of sidewalk network that exists within the corridor rebuilding these facilities that they are ADA compliant improving crossing opportunities through the various controls though i've probably seen them wrapped flesh and beacons as i said reducing truck traffic much of the truck traffic comes from the rail yard and rail operations reducing traffic in front of the Champlain Elementary School so if traffic is being serviced by the new Champlain Park corridor there'll be it'll serve as one other alternative route into the downtown district district and relieve some pressure within Pine Street corridor along the front of the school there is also a focus on highlighting the importance of places of high traffic pedestrian traffic by elevating intersections and striping in markings and improving bike on street bike facilities as well as a shared use path as i said reducing truck traffic synchronizing traffic is almost improved traffic flow we are maintaining parking on street and one point to make here is that along the corridor where the investment in traffic signals will include emergency vehicle preemption and a prioritization for transit so we're trying to improve transit service along that corridor as well so environmental benefits to this product there is significant improvements to our stormwater system to disconnect some of that runoff that's discharged to areas in the south end and improve water quality there's um treatment facilities within that network that will improve water quality discharges it will also improve or reduce congestion at the Pine and Maple intersections if you're familiar with it there's a considerable amount of traffic as it exists today at these intersections and stop and go traffic with standing queues with a signalized approach we anticipate that there will be less congestion less stack queues less emissions one topic that's of great importance that's been in a big conversation within the community is environmental justice we've we work we as managing the project have been working with our consultants to develop a study to review the environmental justice issues that relate to people of BIPOC communities and and if there is any sort of impacts to those communities uh whether or not there needs to be any sort of mitigation as it stands we don't believe that there is disproportionate impacts to that community however we are very sensitive to the concerns that have been expressed by the public and recognize serving our community that we need to to really think long and hard about those issues and uh I guess sort out solutions that make people feel comfortable about this project so as I said uh the the project has gone through um environmental justice review we have prepared a draft EIS that it is at its final stages of completion and that final EIS will be distributed to or provided to package and provided to this federal and state partners federal highway and v-trans we are um very obviously concerned about what we've heard from the public is that there is fatigue with all the work that's going on within that area of the community and that with projects like the Shelvern Street Roundabout Project and all the various water relining projects how could we advance the parkway in a coordinated way that makes sense and is less challenging for the public and so we're thinking long and hard about how we sequence that work once we once uh this project is positioned to move ahead to construction another project that we're doing that's uh it's in that vicinity is a really hard enterprise project and then it is a in a very positive way we have uh gotten support from the state to fund advancing design of the project and we have a cooper agreement that's been executed uh this last month part of what we're doing in advance of getting funding from the state for this project is we're preparing an rfq request for qualifications for a consultant team to begin to advance that project in earnest so this project standing alone uh we'll seek to uh advance and it's been in conversation for a number of years and we want to see it move ahead and i'm going to stop there and leave the slide for people to connect with our parkways website to get more information and uh i apologize for it being so brief but we have so very little time and i probably have used more time than i would like and uh would want to leave this to questions i'm going to stop sharing that's all right yeah thanks norm and rob and um questions if you have a question please raise your hand with the raise hand function still be a night get on mute first mute me then please can i have that number again regarding that the railroad project uh it it got it went away before i was able to get it down i'm sorry um let me uh just let me pull it up unfortunately i closed it the telephone hotline number for the parkway if that's what you're looking for yes yeah that would be 802 802 496 496 8656 thank you and i had a question about that project yep i'm aware that sometimes the railroad uses herbicides on this track near near the lake and i'm i'm going to ask you in that project to uh to keep in mind as you plan the project the the land management the land arrangements to do that in such a way that herbicides are not necessary that we find another way to manage the land to use land um earth coverings to use um um surfaces along the rail quarter itself that um don't need herbicides for for management if you keep the rail it's a rail tracks are are kept in good condition they shouldn't need herbicides we have too many earth you know a million pounds of herbicides being used pesticides being used in Vermont and um we i'm looking for some for people to be aware of how things are planned in order to avoid future uses as much as possible yep i i you can appreciate that point um i i think maybe i didn't explain that rail yard enterprise project very well effectively it's a transportation project to develop multi multi-modal facilities to connect pine street to battery street and what you're what you're referring to in terms of uh the management of rail operations that would be through the state and the leasing agency which is typically Vermont rail systems but i'm asking you regardless of those entities yep and your planning of the of the of the project to be aware of land management techniques so that herbicides are not necessary where you're working where that project is working understood uh so i would say that we are very conscious of how these types of activities impact soil soil conditions and there is a strong focus for testing of any soils that we disturb or make use of in our projects so we are working very closely with dc to to do what is proper management of those soils themselves and how about water runoff whenever these things are used yes all the all the these products go through a pretty extensive process of review uh that that i know of i've i watched the uh the the state approval of pesticide permits and it's um very weak i know for a fact i watched it for 20 years i think we'll move on thank you for your point and i think everyone's taken it yep tj you were next uh yeah so thank you both for your time it's really disappointing to hear that north avenue is not going to be paved understand that's not your problem is there going to at least be patching or potholes filled it is like a landmine it's like a third world country road and it's the only road in and out of north new north end you have to drive on north avenue so is there going to be at least some improvement it's really shameful how bad that road is yeah so i guess our starting point is to fix what is at the root cause of that problem and that is drainage and by getting that done we're positioning ourselves to be able to do a repair that will last and endure and not continue to have the same problems we face today and without question if we see areas that are problematic we are going to work to to patch those by some means or method but but the the full scale repair the starting point is to get the drainage complete and really not waste the investment that we've had so many years without doing that work so stormwater drainage is a big important piece of this puzzle so just one other follow-up with c-click fix i've used that and and on my own road where i live there's been some pothole filling but i've been shocked that when people come there are many potholes around it that they don't fill so do i need to take a picture of every single pothole on the road or should i assume that if they see other potholes they would also fill those pg that's a great question i would assume that staff working in the field doing that work is very diligently trying to find and repair any pothole they see and if there is some sort of failure on our part to really not effectively do that please feel free to call our office and we will follow up on it to make sure it's it's addressed or you just through c-click fix submit that concern and i'll just add to that i've talked to our our maintenance team about this because it's come up before so they they try to be as diligent as possible they will look at the c-click fix report any pictures or descriptors that are included and they're they're kind of in-house policies not to pass over potholes either so when they're driving the fix another pothole list if they see road deficiencies and they can manage it they will that's not to say it always happens so i would just say in your c-click fix report pictures always help but we don't expect you to spend all that time taking as many photos as possible but if you give a good description that you've got some potholes right outside your door at you know xx address but there are potholes up and down that street that's going to help us kind of plan the day and and hopefully give a good descriptive list to the to the folks that head out to do that and sorry that that's happened to you a couple times where not every pothole's been filled outside yeah thank you dj thanks for bringing it up um that's usually my question the last few years matt you are next thanks jeff someone is bad guy instead of you so i can't get a relief norm just a quick question i haven't studied the proposal before now but i just went to the website for the parkway and it looks like it's using the old road that was built in the 70s or 80s that sort of runs parallel to queen city is that a new road that it sort of dumps onto for it looks like several blocks that kind of runs along the rail yard it sounds like you're referring to um contract one which is the the existing roadway was developed in the late 80s yeah it connects route seven with home avenue yeah yeah that new road proposed in front of that that sort of parallels the industrial area and then it looks like it eventually dumps onto um lakeside avenue is that right yes the new segment dump is is connects into lakeside avenue right near the the public yeah right next to public works and then you would have to come down and connect one block at cumberland farm some public works to pine certainly there be further improvements or widening to pine street as well to get that flow one of the things that that i didn't go in the explicit detail was the the development of a shared use path along the entire corridor that goes from home avenue north to all the way to kilburn street okay i mean it doesn't seem and then that are scary it seems like it's going to be a little better traffic flow off pine street for the most part and then if there's improvements to pine street coming downtown it might be be better smoother faster safer well our goal is to keep it keep speeds at an appropriate speed for a downtown street with a lot of activity both for pedestrians and cyclists but faster maybe than it is if it's congested now where things are kind of not moving great well i think some of the things that that we're trying to focus on is number one providing accommodation proper accommodation for all modes yep we're trying to get take commercial traffic out of neighborhoods large truck traffic out of neighborhoods and we're trying to provide goods crossing safety safe points of crossing along the corridor particularly like for instance maltex we have we we have a rapid fashion being that we put in in that location but we're looking at table intersections that raise those areas of prominence where a lot of pedestrians are crossing so that it is clearly a place of interest for pedestrians across but also the signal drivers that there is it is an active crossing area so there's a there's a lot of improvements there to that don't exist today and for trucks to want to use it it would have to be probably smoother faster better well for us to use it i think they're they're defer choices to not be going through neighborhoods right no to a no i i totally agree i mean i would think that the neighborhood would want less of that yep i'm just trying to understand that it would actually be a benefit not a hindrance but so as an example you have global which is a fueling depot for the state you have large commercial traffic that is tanking tankers are filling up and they're traveling down flint avenue or they're circulating on pine street to home avenue to get to root seven south in this case they would likely probably make use of the parkway and connect on to the parkway from flint avenue and go directly to 189 and root seven okay and avoid all that traffic within that neighborhood yeah okay i don't want to hug any more time i thank you that's just that's just one element of what it could do okay thank you thank you again rob and norm and um we're going to move to our next um segment on the champion parkway tony reddington and steve goodkine asked for some time thank you okay tony reddington speaking um the question is whether or not steve goodkine who who starts our presentation off is able to access we've had an issue with the telephone number and so forth steve are you there i do not see steve tony unfortunately okay um yeah can i uh uh share a screen give me one second you should be able to yeah you're a co-host you should be able to share your screen okay let me go back and get the i have to hit the button though right yeah your screen center your screen okay and now i will go to the screen that i want to use how is that do we have the champagne right way in front of everyone not yet oh let me go back share a screen i've hit that um but you're not seeing anything from my computer unfortunately no but i do i believe i have this presentation it's the same one we've used yes yeah give me i can find it in uh well it's still confusing as to why oh wait a second let me expand this let me try if i hit share this share screen and then go over to this and i put share how is that i think we're there yes good tony i guess i guess i'm not going to invest in zoom tomorrow okay um and i need to close down this so i can see the slide myself all right uh tony reddington and steve goodkind sort of updating where we are with the champlain parkway um obviously there's a little there's some differences in the view of the pine street coalition and uh the vermont rail racial justice alliance uh with the the current design and with environmental justice uh and let's take a look again at first at the map of how we view the the current design and and what we call the right way which is a which is a park a parkway which works for the community in the neighborhood and as you look at the screen here you have what's really the new roadway from route seven and it's okay the dotted line is the current parkway route from main street to lakeside and then down to where it connects with one vermont interstate 189 and shulman road and our view of the parkway is that it would it would serve as norm baldwin indicated getting trucks off of home avenue in the neighborhoods in the addition and and connect to flint avenue but stop there that there's no particular reason now today to extend that roadway further and secondly as norm baldwin also explained we really believe the rail yard project should be built first and there's been some discussion at city council by city counselors on this because right now the major concern or the major bottleneck in the project in environmental justice is that the traffic down in this area here declines by about 70 and the traffic in the king maple neighborhood which the city has always opposed uh uh city councils and mayors have always opposed the routing through uh the king maple neighborhood increases 37 that's the environmental injustice a disproportionate impact uh in an area that's uh uh that's 84 percent uh low and moderate income versus an area down here which is 14 percent moderate and low income the second piece is the um real yard enterprise project if this were built first and i'm just giving this because of uh the discussion has just taken place if we were to build this first this would actually decrease the traffic through king maple by 59 percent rather than increasing it 37 percent it doesn't take uh you know a civil engineering degree to figure out that why not build this segment which was looked at and rejected by the federal government and rejected by Vermont agency of transportation until until the uh plan street and came along and and said hey we're going to go to court we don't like this project and suddenly there this the federal highway uh which had opposed and prevented this segment from being built turned around and said oh gee well this doesn't look so bad after all then they came back a year later and they said well not only does it not look bad we'll actually fund it for you so in in a way what we're asking for today is the real yard to be done first which will have a huge benefit to the low income the low income and community of color uh in the in king maple and at the same time still allow as the project is built a decrease in traffic down in the in the lower end of the of the area so let's go on from there i'll try to very quickly go through the project again has been pretty well explained uh it's its original design was to improve traffic circulation reduce reduce traffic burdens in the residential neighborhoods and improve motorist and pedestrian safety on local streets however as decades of gone by and we're talking about the 1960s the urban planning the cultural and societal environment of the city has drastically changed a new solution is necessary um so in the 1960s we were talking about a four lane divided highway a ring road around burlington a lot of us the folks in the new north end know that very well because the belt line was part of that uh part of that ring road and there was to be a circumferential highway to connect the old north the new north end excuse me uh the new north end to uh the through the circumferential highway to i 180 i 89 and therefore we would have a circle the original champlain parkway was going to go right straight through the waterfront of the four lane divided highway the circumferential highway was actually finally ended about 2011 when governor shumlin said it it stops so in the case of king maple neighborhood again 37 increase in traffic and in the lower part of the this lower part of the project there would be a 72 decrease in in traffic the project would increase traffic and disruption to king maple neighborhoods as well as lakeside neighborhood and those along pine street pine street is not widened it's left at the same width as it is today the project also fails to meet the goal of improving circulation mobility and safety on local streets in the study area and finally uh the proposal would uh the proposed plan would further eliminate parking create risk to flood plains uh add to global warming and potentially release hazardous wastes the project itself malignantly ignores the affected low income community marginalized marginalizes the affected minority community and fails to consider public health impacts this is the picture that if if the picture tells a thousand words it was this one which conveyed a huge message to myself and to a lot of us uh the students getting on the school bus at the intersection of pine and maple streets shows the the um the persuasiveness of the community of color that we have in the king maple neighborhood now here's the numbers uh they're pretty obvious if we look at uh uh at the bottom of pine street there's a 72 but the pine street being below flin avenue uh towards the city line and south brollington there's a 72 percent decrease in traffic but if you live with those kids are getting on the bus well there's a 37 percent increase and that is the disproportionate impact that uh the city doesn't want to talk about and by the way uh it you know norm made his presentation and and the city has its position the the mayor in the city has refused to talk to anyone from pine street coalition now for five years we've we've asked to to meet with the mayor to to to meet with him in his office and have just been turned away so they're you know we have said since the beginning that we want to sit down and work out a a a sensible uh collaborative approach uh and the city has to the uh to this time has has failed to do so um again the numbers uh traffic increase in king maple up 37 percent traffic below flin avenue on pine street down 72 percent 77 percent by the way city of brollington has 26 percent um of our households have poverty level incomes and those poverty level incomes as i'm sure you know in the new north end are concentrated in the old north end and the king maple neighborhood uh we have one of the highest uh poverty rates in the state this rest of the state is is less than 12 percent okay so what we're saying is this first do the rail yard put king maple first stop the parkway from going through king maple all together um let's talk about walk and bike because you're given the impression oh everything is fine we're going to take care of pedestrians we're going to take care of bicyclists well the the rail yard project's 20 million we've got about a 40 million dollar or 50 million dollar parkway project and and the original road to nowhere which is going to be ground up and recycled was another 40 million dollar investment all together we're talking about over a hundred million dollar investment on on this roadway the biggest since probably the only other project of that size in the city has been the beltway and you're going to spend a hundred million dollars and you're not going to get one inch of sidewalk not one inch of new sidewalk you're not going to get one inch of safe separate bikeway or safe separate of accommodation of cyclists and this is the whole resistance and upsurge of the south end community against this current design has started with the walk by council letters and their endorsement of the pine street redesign guidelines which call for a sidewalk from top to bottom a new sidewalk and by the way that applies to the rail yard too there's no sidewalk there and there's no separate bikeway provision so here's what might look like along along the parkway by the south end by the south end co-op here's the walkway here's a separate bikeway and there's the there's the the two road the two lane road and that's that's possible what we have now is a waste of money a waste of we actually the pine street proposal will reduce the cost of the overall project by about eight million dollars by reducing the the amount of basically one and a half lane miles of roadway so we won't go over the sections but basically we would have a a bikeway a world-class one that would connect with the bike path the Berlin bike path on both ends so that you'll be able to make a circuit which would have a tremendous value in terms of promoting tourism and and recreation in in our city and you would have a the rear yard connection over to to to battery streets so that we we suddenly are able to reduce the pressure and the congestion and the pollution and the injuries in the king maple neighborhood and by the way if you you're going to the the city says oh we're going to put in we're going to improve the congestion this was asked by one of the questioners we're going to improve the the movement of traffic along pine street that is done by introducing traffic signals at two points on pine street inside the king maple neighborhood one at pain pine street and one at excuse me one at maple street and one at king street those kids getting on the bus would be facing a 20 higher chance of being injured and all this would also apply to everybody living in that neighborhood if you switch a always stop to a signal engineers will tell you the safest and safest intersection is always stops it is for the pedestrians and for 30 of the people who live in king maple have no car they're they're walk dependent they're transit dependent and blasting through the king maple neighborhood with two new traffic signals i would call it punishment and i'm not sure what they did wrong so the champlain right way which is what the vermont racial justice in ourselves call our approach is a multimodal transportation improvements alternative to the obsolete environmentally harmful and racially unjust to southern connector champlain parkway proposal um here's what a a a intersection at flin and the parkway would look like that has a separate lane for bicyclists fully separate separate lane and a and and separate crossing for a pedestrians separate crossing for the bicyclists so you would have completes both bicyclists would be treated and we would we could call this an equality intersection we could call this an equality street project and get away from the old style 20 or 50 years ago design approach shall i stop there no we'll give you 30 more seconds i thought i heard earlier a summary get three points um i'll i'll stop there i think that i've pretty well summarized that we're talking about and i want to go back to the beginning a slide that essentially uh we're saying do the right do the uh do the uh rail yard first that relieves the congestion it relieves the pressure uh on on a on our low income center of the of the of the of the area and also uh make sure we have a complete uh walk separate uh sidewalk and bikeway the entire route so i'll stop there great thank you tony apologize that we were late um this evening and um your time was squeezed a little bit are there any questions for tony before we move on to our redistricting topic let me add one let me add one here see hands let me add one item here you realize that the only reason that the road yard project was considered is because pine street went to the u.s. district court two years ago it was the federal highway administration recognized they would lose the case if they didn't deal with the environmental justice issue we are still waiting at the courthouse door without a single piece of paper that's passed if we cannot come to an agreement if we cannot come to a collaborative approach here the normal time to go through a full uh u.s. district court proceeding and by the way it's not just the environmental justice there's a dozen issues here uh could would normally take five to six years we're still waiting to sit down with with the and have others at the table that would come up with a reasonable compromise to this project to go forward and uh to the benefit of the king maple neighborhood to the to the south end and to the economy of our our community all right thank you tony we're going to move on we are over nine o'clock and um we still have a good topic to go over um thank you for your input this evening next um mark and um sarah to talk about um redistricting mark and sarah all right mark do you want me to go ahead go ahead sure um so um as sarah indicated at the beginning of the meeting we have a resolution we're going to be considering on monday at monday city council meeting to form an ad hoc redistricting committee made up of members um of the community selected by the npa's so it will have an eight person um committee that will be convened i think around i think in the current version of the resolution the target date is the committee formed by september 16th now we understand that if the word 47 npa takes a two month hiatus the next meeting will be um later than that so we were asking for a meeting earlier um and i sometime in you know july or august would be ideal and as um sarah indicated earlier we could use that as an informational meeting and um if there was more than one person in word for and or seven we could have elections for that position then as well um the uh committee once convene will hold two public meetings where input i'm just reading from the resolution language committee will hold two public meetings where community input will be taken and the committee will report back to the council at the at their last meeting in october and the council will use this feedback to offer guidance by resolution to a mapping specialist um and the big some of the the guidance that we'd be looking for from this ad hoc committee is um info on public sentiment around the current configuration we currently have eight wards each with a counselor in four sort of semi-at-large at uh districts um is that a configuration people want to move forward with or would they want to explore something different um we won't and maybe sarah you you may be more tuned in to when we'll have final census numbers but we don't have final census numbers yet so it's not even clear that we'll have to redistrict whether or not we have to redistrict we still may want to have a community conversation about um the current the current configuration of districts and wards so sarah you want to add yeah i mean that that's pretty much accurate i mean we've been asked that i i think the last we heard the census data won't come out till around about the same time we formed the committee which is mid mid september um and i think the driver more for this is to find a way to get community input um a little a little outside where the final lines will be which will be a whole other conversation once we get census but is the current configuration working could we do better what other models can can we look at um and i think that's the first conversation we don't have a true sense our sense is to be honest brillington has not grown a lot but we're not clear and where it's grown it's probably throughout the city so we're just plain not sure um you know where the bubbles the bubbles might be but again i think it's it's to start early because this is not this is just the beginning it's it's not the end at all i think as um bob uber mentioned the state's going to have a whole other conversation and i think if we can start having conversations early we can sort of keep an eye on on what happens to us and what may happen to burlington and correct me if you think i'm wrong um chitin and county may stand to gain reps but i'm not sure that burlington will um so that may influence some of our thinking as as well and then of course there's the whole conversation around um senate which is probably not as make doesn't make as much difference but there will be a conversation on the senate so i think our thinking is we just like to get this started early and the concept of the npa is how to get some true community voices not those of us that are elected or have been elected in the past um at some level there'll be enough jockeying about that in the future so we wanted to start early with just getting people's thinking the other thing i would add is that we was for those who lived through the 2013 debacle that was redistricting part of the motivation here is to get ahead of it and avoid that um so that's where it is leah had a question yeah um is this written up somewhere the makeup of the committee and when the meetings are going to be is this uh was this a decision at council yeah the the resolution that mark read from uh is posted and or will be posted i can send that out um so yes we should have a final draft on board docs um that we'll be considering um i would guess tomorrow yeah can you just tell me quickly here what the can how the what the makeup of the committee is well this resolution is just to form an ad hoc committee to start the process so this is not the final committee that will make a recommendation it's to start to get citizen input early but it's one member from each ward yes uh as selected by the n the npa in each ward there'll be eight members correct so um what was the debacle of the previous redistricting was it because it got delayed so much and there was this this north south the north end south end dispute or i'm just curious what you mean mark well what i what i as i recall and i think you were there for some of these meetings uh robert was that um there was a lot of um contention there was contention there was that one meeting at dpw um there were plans that were recommended and then they were sort of disregarded and new plans were drawn up i know the map that we have now was was authored by you um right process right and so i mean i have like a a catalog that i that i just happened to have on google drive all these various maps that were put forward back then but as i recall there were two different sort of phases of the thing there was the initial phase where there were maybe three or four plans that were put forward um and then those were taken up by a committee um and then there was the committee was finally um i think it was just i don't know if we recall if it was disbanded or it just came to conclusion but then some new plans were then introduced but there was a lot of contentious there wasn't a lot of definition around the process in my view um of what was what was um what the objectives of the the committee that was convened was supposed to do other than to come up with new maps so i think there was a lot of competing agendas so the idea here is to take it take some of the you know it's political but to take some of the um some as much of that out as possible and try to gather some community sentiment about it before we go into a process and then use that um community guidance to inform uh a a a council process later with a mapping specialist what what i remember though what happened i mean the for in terms of mapping uh uh uh i mean we had j appleton as you know kind of the specialist in terms of giving it but it was the decision to to a crowdsource the mapping and they put a a they put a website up was at burlingtonvotes.org or whatever it was and um the the web app was called district builder and that's where a lot of people created maps and submitted them and had them had them considered um i don't know i mean politics is what happens when people disagree about what the right thing to do is or what's what's the best way to go forward i would say that um i mean there was the beginning when there was this committee there's just a lot of dispute and every time somebody in the south end drew a map most of us in the north end didn't like it and um i i thought that it got it was a little late it was a year late right but i didn't think that so debacle was too strong of a term i i'll take it back but it was certainly a contentious and there was a fuss oh yeah there was a definitely a fuss going on i think one thing too is we we'd like to have a more of an open discussion on is the um eight wards for districts it was good that way is it should we go back to seven wards 14 counselors should we go to nine should we go to 16 and not focus as much on the lines as what would be good governance sure and then backfill the lines when we get the data i'm just this is just there's a little bit about what was going on in 2013 but the problem is is that um that we you know we can do something completely different um and that might happen but there's going to be there's going to be some resistance from some sector like let's say that you're going to ditch ward 8 and i understand the i remember the controversy about ward 8 um um but you're limited the essentially the courts in the u.s constitution is going to force us as a city to draw to to have equal representation for populations and if what was growing along that line along college street was like um some ethnic group like you know bosnians or something like that we just had this explosion where approximately one quarter of the city was bosnians living along college and main street if we sliced and diced them up and put them a little bit in ward one and a little bit in ward two and a little in ward three and a little in ward six that is exactly what gerrymandering would be so that and what we did was kind of the exact opposite and as a result we were able to keep the other seven wards mostly intact all right can i jump in here because i think you know i i robert i appreciate your perspective and awareness of the history but the core of this conversation really needs to be uh some advice for what the steering committee needs to do in the month of july uh uh in in coordination with our city council members to hold some sort of a special meeting and to meet the timelines imposed by the resolution that may pass on monday so um i guess i would offer to everybody on the call that on the meeting that uh steering committee meets next week or are we meeting fourth of july week or are we going to put it off for a week is a decision that the steering committee needs to make so um so that we can move forward because this is a perfect example of what functioning mpa is really meant to do so i look forward to npa participation in this uh project and quite to put it quite bluntly i don't want us to screw up this opportunity sarah i just sorry sarah i i muted you all right our ask is simply that we consider having a special meeting between now and the end of august to have a further discussion in this and talk about a process or and i asked the steering committee to set up a process so that we can elect somebody to this committee and we always can't do that tonight so we're just simply can we have a hour hour and a half meeting sometime in the next two months with this is the focus and with the goal of electing somebody to a committee let two people because there'd be one from each one i think ali has his hand up um thank you mark yes can i ask a question i think it will be a comment and also a question i think what you guys um um have talked about about this resolution and what he's doing well consular barlow did mention it but i don't think that people pay attention to what he said he said something very interesting which is it doesn't matter if we get the census do we truly need a redistricting and this resolution is setting a process if redistricting is needed so i think it's that that that point is very important to me to me let's use uh or okay the other thing that has not been mentioned is redistricting and this process when it unfolds we are going to put it on the ballot this is going to be a ballot item for voters of boolean turn to vote on once the charity change craft the language this is only about the process now the question is why can't we wait until we know whether or not we need redistricting or not and then this resolution can come forward it is too soon and i understand the concept about being proactive about trying to do before they come up redistricting is not needed at every census the last census i don't think it happened there was a sense it didn't happen do we know i think this process to me this resolution should be about the npa's themselves all npa's in the city to start to think about redistricting by themselves what war do we need to eliminate what type of system do we need to talk about and give them the power and we wait until 2023 if we have a ballot item that need to go to the voters introduce it then so my question is whether or not we need even though we need redistricting whether or not we need to put it on the ballot in 2022 that's my question thank you i think it's a that's a valid a valid point um the one thing i'll say is i believe that one outcome is that we do nothing and we have the exact same system that we have now um this this resolution does not mean that we want to change the system we want to basically take take the temperature of the community and see how they feel about the existing system and i would say that the earlier we do it the better because if we do have to redistrict then um having to put it on the ballot um on time meaning if we don't put it on on the 22 ballot we have to put on the 23 ballot um you know that we certainly could do that and that would be a year ahead of what we did in um actually it'd be it'd be a year ahead of what we did in 2000 i think we had it on the 14 ballot and it went into effect on the 15 last time so that that is that that's i mean that's my perspective on it i'd like to have the conversation i don't necessarily know that we'll come up with something better it was a difficult discussion last time um but there are people who um i mean i've only served in districts but districts are kind of a weird a weird animal that are there in my view for mathematical reasons not because not for representative reasons um so um that's just and i and i was a big proponent back in the last time of the 16 counselor eight word system i like the idea of having two counselors per system but you know that was me back then the community may have a different view of what works and what hasn't worked in the last bunch of years so mark maybe now ward eight is able to produce two counselors for that ward and we can go to 816 at the time you know eight years ago or whenever that was nine years ago eight years ago um that you know there was real questions about whether ward eight was going to be able to produce you know a school counselor yeah a school commissioner again i'm straight from i'm straight from the the the prime director that i know we're late here so yeah and i think that's the goal of having the meeting in the committee so we can more fully have this conversation uh that that's what i see so i think um we'll see if we can get a meeting as early as july um perhaps it'll be august and um everyone on the call think about if they would like to be on this ad hoc committee and we need to think about the process about soliciting people to do it so there's outreach the resolution asked that the npa do some outreach a little broader to get people just on this issue okay all right if we are good we will adjourn thank you everyone thank you i'm late too